coral gazelle
Hi there, I'm looking at my odroid blue, and it came with home assistant installed out of the box.
According to the specs it should have a 128gb eMMC flash storage.
But my home assistant is telling me it only has 27gb and it has exceeded all of it's storage capacity.
How can I make sure my home assistant install takes all of the eMMC flash storage instead?
coral gazelle
nevermind, I opened the odroid blue physically and saw it actually was the 32gb version that I bought... I also found out it has a expansion slot for sd cards, so I want to add a 1tb sd card to move the storage
I'm hoping it is possible to add more storage to my home assistant that way
minor current
SD Cards are generally not a good choice but I suppose you can do that: https://www.home-assistant.io/common-tasks/os/#using-external-data-disk
coral gazelle
what are other options? external ssd over usb?
minor current
Via powered USB HUB, Yeah.
coral gazelle
why does there need to be a hub inbetween?
ah
I get it
needs to have more power
what do you recommend I get? I want to get 1tb
minor current
For some, people SD Cards corrupt all the time, for others they seem to work fine. They aren't all that fast though.
I'm actually not sure if the odroid has that issue but the pis tend to have issues powering (some) USB devices reliably so this has become a bit of of a default suggestion.
coral gazelle
yeah the problem is I don't really have a extra power socket available anymore around the hub
I already exploited most of my power sockets with lots of equipment
so I need to know whether the odroid blue can actually power a ssd over usb, or, I can use a sd card, but then I'd need to make sure it's a reliable one
minor current
There are endurance SD Cards but they are made for constant writing, not the type of write patterns an OS does. I suppose the flash is a bit higher quality and the controller smarter. Why does it need to be 1TB?
coral gazelle
I want to have a lot of storage on the home assistant, just to be sure. Would that mean it'd require more wattage? Why can that be a problem?
or volts
or is that dependent on the type of sd card
minor current
Yeah but not really meaningfully. It's more because I don't think HA(OSS) is a good place to store lots of data. Especially on a SD Card. Backing it up will be painful too.
And just because I'm curious why you need so much of it for a home automation system.
coral gazelle
I actually don't think I'd need that much, but 27gb is awefully small. It's just that my storage is filled and I don't want it to become a problem in the future.
minor current
256G is a good middle ground I think but it's your money, of course.
coral gazelle
I don't really care about the cost in this case. I care about the best solution 😉
would there be a benefit of buying a 256gb over a 1tb one?
sd cards and ssd's are usually quite cheap anyways
do the backups make entire disk image backups? Or will they use something like rsync for the backups?
and what about nabu casa cloud?
minor current
I'm not a fan of eMMC but isn't it replaceable?
coral gazelle
I'm not sure, I'm hoping it is
it looks soldered
I'll do some research to see if I can attach a usb ssd to this odroid without getting to power limitations
half kestrel
The HA Blue/Odroid N2+ has a weak USB power delivery. If the power draw is too big, the USB ports shut off until the next powercycle (not sure, if a reboot was enogh) So a powered USB hub or a drive with itsown power supply is recommended.
The eMMC module is replaceable. It is on its own daughter board with a connector similar to Compute Module 4/5 ones.
minor current
do the backups make entire disk image backups? Or will they use something like r...
As far as I know the backups are still full backups. As in not incremental. They are compressed though.
coral gazelle
awesome, I'll get a new eMMC module in that case
thank you so much
I haven't been able to unplug the eMMC module so far though, how do I unplug it'on its daughter board?
yes, I got it out of the connector
does anyone know where I can buy these eMMC modules online with the right connector?
I accidentally destroyed the qr code sticker
minor current
And to answer the initial question. HAOS extends the data partition and its filesystem itself during boot: https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Ahome-assistant%2Foperating-system growfs&type=code
coral gazelle
found one of 256 gb
half kestrel
For example directly at Hardkernel. They are on ebay as well.
https://www.hardkernel.com/product-category/memories/
coral gazelle
how do I migrate my current installation though?
I need to do some sort of dd of some kind between emmc modules
minor current
Take a backup, download it, re-install and restore. I suppose you could also use a USB adapter to read the image and write it again.
coral gazelle
is it possible to take a backup to a nas storage device from within home assistant itself?
minor current
coral gazelle
I already have network storage configured, where can I create a full backup of my home assistant in home assistant? I'm sorry I'm quite new to these things
is that in settings somewhere?
wicked marlinBOT
half kestrel
BTW: You can put the N2+ in flashing mode to write HAOS to the eMMC.
https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/odroid#flashing-an-odroid-n2
minor current
About that. I'm puzzled why it doesn't also show the size there too (unless hovered) :<
coral gazelle
I can not seem to find one for the odroid n2, I don't have the plus edition and would like to have the 256gb variant
not on hardkernel eityher
ah, found one 🙂
minor current
Huh? What about this: https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/256gb-emmc-module-n2-android/
And if you need a source for the SD Cards dying: #1336855242159030352 message
coral gazelle
nice
minor current
That shipping price hurts me.
coral gazelle
~~Huh? What about this: <https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/256gb-emmc-module-n2-an...
wait, I thought this one wasn't on stock 0.o
oh god
I way overpaid for this
oh well :/
thanks for all of the helpful answers everyone, I think my issue is solved 🙂
minor current
But please keep us updated on your progress when you had a chance to migrate.
coral gazelle
what are currently some good methods of cleaning up your storage in home assistant? I don't have ssh access right now. I do have the terminal app installed...
since it's on it's limit I can not do much with it currently, so I have to solve this
I am guessing that some add-ons are using a lot of data
minor current
See here to check how what uses space: https://gist.github.com/Impact123/fb086b391f7d14cb3515144fcbe4785e
ha supervisor repair does something similar to docker system prune -a behind the scenes.
coral gazelle
I think I already ran a repair on ha supervisor. It didn't seem to help much. Anyhow the ssd came in the mail today.
I'll be trying to make a backup and reinstall home assistant from that backup
I just flashed the home assistant image. but the rest of the drive shows up as unallocated, is that correct?
minor current
Yes it will expand during boot. The image has fixed size partitions.
coral gazelle
starts off good
local dns with ssl certs seem to still work, because the device gets a fixed ip from the router
so I can just access it from the same url after replacing it
hmmm seems like it's now failing to fetch the logs. This was the previous log that I still managed to get back:
might take some time I suppose?
minor current
Rule of thumb is that if you look for errors you will find some. Take windows' Event Viewer on a newly installed system for example.
coral gazelle
yeah, I see where you're going with this 🙂
although it's nice to keep them clean 😉
minor current
I'd suggest giving it some time and a reboot after a restore. If there's problems after that you can look for errors. I find it very hard to not have any warnings or errors at all.
coral gazelle
yeah, I'll do that
coral gazelle
I'd suggest giving it some time and a reboot after a restore. If there's problem...
I have 3 in 3 weeks time in my application event viewer 😉
and that's due to a bug with SCEP cert enrollment
I like to make things error free, but it usually costs a lot of time and effort
Got my onju voice installed and working as well 🙂
sorry if I sound like a smug
minor current
Why would you?
coral gazelle
I dunno, I tend to be a bit of a nitwit
still doesn't seem to do anything, I'll try to access the machine directly
hmm accessing it through the ip address seems to have worked
it's probably due to my missing proxy configuration that's not there yet
minor current
Perhaps. I just use http://hostname:8123/ like a caveman so I can't help much with this specific topic 😄
coral gazelle
I love caveman. and hostnames work wonders as well
hmm I got to have my backup file ready somewhere on my nas, but I can not access my nas yet due to truenas not being configured to use the latest version yet, which is disabled as a company policy on my microsoft account, so I can't really access my stuff right now
gotta figure out a different way of doing thing
s
luckilly my linux system isn't as pedantic about security as my windows system is, so I might be able to just mount my nas there
minor current
Telling you my security practices would make you cry.
coral gazelle
I'm not that good at it either tbh
I own some yubico keys and use password managers, and have locks for everything but that's about it
oh and keeping things up to date. But usually if someone really tries their hardest, they'll get in anyhow
be right back
minor current
Going AFK too. Gonna be mobile for a while.
coral gazelle
alright, good luck
