Contitunation of previous watercooler chat
#Hawkes weird POE issues
lethal herald
if your seeing large amounts of packet loss on a 100ft run of network cable then you have a bad cable
void folio
when i added the POE the network drop went from 45% to 12%
630Mbps to 920Mbps
it is also crossing an absurd amount of powered electrical wiring pretty much at parallel
like 150A worth
the Ethernet has POE
I need to split it into POE and a second line
lethal herald
you should not have network and mains running close together
void folio
yeah, sadly the entire internet is newer than this house, theres not really a way to run any ethernet cable in that attic without being near or crossing all the eletricicty
lethal herald
what catagory of network cable is it?
void folio
cat6
Until recently its only really run the AP so we can use internet out at our barn
where high speed wasnt all that required
but were building an ADU
so its right in line to bring gigbit to that
eventually i will replace the cat6 with proper fiber
but $$$
lethal herald
yeah running fibre is probably the best option long term
its not super expensive these days
void folio
fixed income
took like 2 months of skimping for the current fiber + converters
id still need to split/convert the fiber at this spot for the Wifi AP
lethal herald
i am little confused as to the entire setup.
void folio
one sec
current setup
blue box is the new house we are building
even with a nice AP theres still a like 50% speed loss at that range
which i dont want to accept
the purple line is the ethernet wire
the desired final is
lethal herald
you want a switch
void folio
yeah
and power to the AP
which only accepts POE
I have sufficient POE arriving currently at the technical box
lethal herald
where is the injector currently?
lethal herald
can it be in the technical box with the switch?
void folio
box is big enough, but i also need POE to overcome whatever is causing speed loss along the current ethernet
only the ethernet out to the AP needs to actually be powered
lethal herald
poe DOES NOT DO THAT
void folio
then why is there less speed lost when i use the POE
if i can split it with a small form factor, I can always add POE to one of the outgoing lines
to the AP
like the TP-link splitter i have seems to work for what i need, but i REALLY dont need all 5 splits
just 2
lethal herald
its not a "splitter" its a switch. splitters dont really exist anymore
void folio
ah
lethal herald
i get that you are probably new to networking equipment. so trying to explain a bit. because things labled "splitter" that are actually cheap and crap switches are a scam alot of the time. because people dont know what they are
void folio
yeah 90% of my network experience is setting up netgear routers
lethal herald
inside an ethernet cable there are 8 wires. a long time ago in times of 100m networking it only required 4 wires so you could "split" and run 2 signals down 1 cable. but that is not done anymore
void folio
ah
lethal herald
gigabit requires all 8
lethal herald
it has its place
a switch connects devices together activly and passes data where it needs to go
there used to be things called "hubs" which would relay any data incoming to all ports but they havent really existed since 100m networking ether
poe adds power to a network cable in addition to the data signal which is already there. to enable you to run a single cable to a device for both power and data
if you are seeing signal loss over 100ft then you probably have problems with the cable
void folio
probably
was pretty cheap
but nice and long
eventually i will replace it
but right now i need to meet ethernet to destination and POE to the AP
lethal herald
this is how i would recomend the setup to be
void folio
so i could do this right? assuming i can all fit it in the box.
the AP is fully weather proof
sits on the side of the garage on the outside wall. the box sits on the inside of the wall and serves as dust and weather protection
lethal herald
not sure i entirily follow but that seems right
void folio
so the switch doesnt actually need to be POE, just have the power to help what was 1 line send data down additional lines?
like that TP link one i already got
lethal herald
that should do fine
what a poe switch would do is replace the injector if the AP was connected directly to it.
a poe switch basically has injectors built in
void folio
what is "loop prevention"? its on that switch
lethal herald
basically every switch from the last 20 years (maybe more) has that
it stops whats called packet storms.
it used to be the case that if someone plugged a network cable into 2 ports it would could data to spam to every port trying to work out where it needs to go but kep looping on itself
void folio
something i wont really have to worry about as long as i dont try and connect port 1 to port 2
right?
lethal herald
yeah exactly
its been a non issue for 2 decades
back in the day corporate networks could be taken down by some idiot plugging a network cable into 2 ports in a meeting room and it would take suppoort ages to track it down
lethal herald
was a big thing in schools in 90's or early 00's if they had old network equipment
void folio
sounds like a great way to get out of work if your stuff is mostly online
one job i worked for data entry had EVERYTHING on AWS
lethal herald
one job i worked for data entry had EVERYTHING on AWS
its not that uncommon these days
void folio
so like 20% of the time we would do nothing but goof off because AWS would flake out and be down for the day
this is like 8 year ago
lethal herald
AWS pretty solid these days to be fair. not that i interact with it much