ripe cloud
Looking to replace my ZAC93 with a RaZberry 7 Pro, both in their own TubesZB PoE adapter. I have had the ZAC93 installed for about 2 years and it seems to be very problematic over the past month or so.
Can this be done without having to exclude/including devices, like using the NVM Management(Backup/Restore)?
ripe cloud
Is there a guide to restore NVM with zwave2mqtt?
ripe cloud
I tried a restore to the RaZberry 7 Pro and it worked but none of the device would connect to it. Is there a guide to restore NVM with Z-Wave JS UI/zwave2MQTT?
Is the graph supposed to look like the right side or left side?
ripe cloud
Which graph is 'better'?
high oyster
First one looks better, if I read it correctly. Better would be the raw stats from the logs. 700/800 should be less than < -100 dBm ideally.
ripe cloud
Interesting, it still looks like the 2nd one and is stable and responsive. Roughly between -84 and -88. Range still doesn’t make sense, a Zooz and Inovelli switch 20ft from the coordinator doesn’t see the coordinator in neighbors.
high oyster
Background RSSI that high will make normal Z-Wave messages look like noise.
ripe cloud
How would I reduce it?
high oyster
I guess a USB extender is not a choice for you
make sure nothing is flooding the network, e.g. power reports.
Not sure how well an NVM restore works on a Razberry. You might try and run their zway software and make sure firmware is up-to-date and power levels are correct. Also need to activate a license if you want to use Long Range.
ripe cloud
-110 dBm is what the radio should be at 😅
ripe cloud
I’m currently running the ZAC93 is 800 LR
high oyster
Ok, wasn't clear whether it was the ZAC or Razberry.
ripe cloud
Couldn’t get the device to talk to the Razberry after the NVM restore
To disable the Inovelli switches from sending power usage would I just disable those entities in HA?
high oyster
no, those would be config parameters
in HA, Device page -> Configuration. In ZUI, control panel -> Node -> Configuration CC
ripe cloud
Looks like they are set to repost power 3600 seconds and a change of .01 kWH
That doesn’t seem like it would be flooding the network
high oyster
looking at the logs for confirmation is better then guessing
ripe cloud
In JS UI under debug?
high oyster
ripe cloud
I have 30 mains powered Z-Wave switches and dimmers, no battery powered. But the Map shows everything connected to the controller and one of the switches
Shouldn’t they also be connecting to each other to make a mesh?
high oyster
direct to controller is always better
they would connect to another device if not
the map shows the last routes
once a route is chosen, it will continue to use it unless it fails
ripe cloud
high oyster
looks pretty good, all 100kbps links
ripe cloud
The weird part is there are devices connected to Family-Fan-S1 that is twice the distance than the controller
high oyster
RF is funny
distance isn't all that matters
You can try some targeted node rebuilds if you want to see if they'll change
ripe cloud
Been doing some of that trying to get odd devices to route to the gateway
high oyster
Are they not working?
ripe cloud
I discover neighbors, then rebuild routes. Is that the way it should be done?
high oyster
Rebuild already discovers neighbors
ripe cloud
Any reason not to select all and rebuild?
high oyster
it basically destroys the network and starts over
ripe cloud
So something I should do if I move the controller?
high oyster
"rebuild" is exactly is it is named. delete all working routes and try again.
it can be network intensive so be prepared to wait awhile
ripe cloud
Background RSSI is still high. Is there a change channel like ZigBee?
high oyster
I would guess a network health check is going to complain about the SNR
ripe cloud
I that something I can run?
high oyster
click on a node on the map and Diagnose
ripe cloud
If I wanted to NVM back/Restore from the ZAC93 to the RaZberry 7 Pro is the procedure I should follow? When I tried it last it seems all my devices were re-created and lost naming of sub entities, so I swapped back and restored HAOS
high oyster
Yeah that's an HA bug, which can easily be avoided.
In theory an NVM restore to the Razberry should work, but they run custom firmware.
ripe cloud
It worked and JS UI could see it just fine and after a reboot the devices were there but non of the device were talking to the RaZberry
high oyster
I know you can't upgrade firmware with Z-Wave JS
LR also requires installing a license
ripe cloud
I put it on a Pi and installed their software and it showed up to date
Even if I am not using Long Range?
high oyster
if you have the software working, I would just install it
why not take advantage for the future?
check the region if the nodes don't communicate after the restore
ripe cloud
When I built this network Long range was buggy. Can I switch devices to long range without excluding and reincluding?
And loosing my devices from HA
high oyster
no
ripe cloud
If I disabled the z-wave integration and excluded and included then enabled the integration would the device reconnect?
ripe cloud
Uggg
high oyster
there's no requirement to switch to LR. but you can use it later if you want.
Just saying, for the Razberry the functionality is disabled w/o a license.
ripe cloud
What your opinion on ZAC93 vs the RaZberry?
high oyster
I would stick with the ZAC to avoid the hassle of needing special software for upgrades. But if you need an external antenna, Razberry is probably the way to go.
I have experience with neither, so not the best person to ask. But haven't heard of anything negative with either.
ripe cloud
They are both in a TubesZW PoE so I can move the ZAC to about anywhere
If it's operating well should I not worry about the Background RSSI?
high oyster
I personally find it concerning. I have several nodes that have -80 to -90 dBm routes, those wouldn't function in your network.
but, if everything is working currently, 🤷♂️ I guess keep it in mind for the future.
ripe cloud
Background RSSI noise ouside of Z-Wave RF?
high oyster
the end device powere levels
high oyster
if the end device's power level is -90 dBm, then that will be indistinguishable from noise
ripe cloud
So a device that is connected to the controller with a bad signal?
high oyster
"bad" is relative
-92 dBm is apparently not bad enough when my controller's background RSSI is less
ripe cloud
high oyster
Do you actually have driver logs with the background reports?
ripe cloud
So compared to -100 these look bad
high oyster
-83 compared to -100 is quite good
no where close to background
-83 with a background of -85 would be not as good.
only a 2 dBm margin
ripe cloud
I guess I don't understand how the background RSSI was -110 to -120
and z-wave was hardly working
high oyster
what is it now?
ripe cloud
and now it's
And working better than it has for weeks
This device doesn't see device 1, the controller in Neighbors but gets a decent rating
high oyster
yeah, gets a ding because of the SNR
ripe cloud
So it makes sense it's connecting to a switch on the other side of the house
it's getting a 10/10 with
ripe cloud
Does it not generate a 2nd or 3rd route in a mesh?
high oyster
only if it needs to.
ripe cloud
high oyster
you'd have to look in the control panel for the current values. those are the optional settings.
ripe cloud
high oyster
Might want to confirm with Zooz if those are correct. I know the 700 series is different, but I don't know about 800.
you could bump the normal power level and see if there's any difference. they're supposed to be calibrated to some value.
balmy plume
I looks like you have some non-Z-Wave RF radiator interference. Your back ground RSSI should be down ~ -100 dBm
ripe cloud
How do I determine what is interfering?
Moving it 12’ down the hallway definitely helped
balmy plume
Look for any devices that have radios that transmit like cordless phones. I have weather station with sensors that transmit on 915 Mhz. Was it next to any kind of electronic equipment? Turn things in your house off one by one and monitor check the background ... may take a while for readings to change. It could rarely be a Z-wave A/C device with a defective radio that's jabbering. Do you live in apartment? Transmitting devices in your neighbor's apartment could be a source. Last expensive resort https://interferencetechnology.com/identifying-and-locating-radio-frequency-interference-rfi/
balmy plume
The fact that background noise was reduced when you moved the controller may indicate an RF nose source closer to the previous location
ripe cloud
It's in a single family home, block contruction. I do have an Ambient Weather station but the move would have made it closer. On the back side of the wall where it was mounted was the garage door opener.
How real time is the background RSSI in JS UI?
There was also a https://wirelesstag.net/ receiver on the back wall of the previous location
balmy plume
Tage are often powered by the tag reader. The tags use energy from the RF reader's signal to respond . The tag reader broadcasts constantly. These are passive tags
ripe cloud
Wireless Tags are devices that are battery powered and wireless connect to their hub.
430-439MHz radio frequency
balmy plume
Ok not as likely to interfere unless your z-wave controller was close
I have Ambient too and it doesn't cause any problem
ripe cloud
On the other side of a brick wall, I turned it off and didn’t see RSSI go down
Garage door openers possibly interfering?
Was thinking about putting something like this together
Z-Wave is operating well since I moved and healed, but the RSSI is high.
How realtime is the background RSSI in JS UI?
jagged briar
How realtime is the background RSSI in JS UI?
About every 30 seconds, unless you're actively sending
balmy plume
Was thinking about putting something like this together
I was going to suggest this but thought it might be too technical. You can set the receiver to Z-Wave frequency range and use directional antenna to sniff out the source of interference. Maybe this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009U7WZCA/
ripe cloud
Is there a more directional antenna that I should pickup?
ripe cloud
With a-wave in the US freq. 908.42 I just need an antenna that support that frequency?
https://www.amazon.com/Tupavco-TP514-Directional-800MHz-960MHz-1-7-2-5GHz/dp/B008Z5QB96/
Would I get this setup and start turning off power to my z-wave switches/devices to determine what is the noise source?
ripe cloud
Would something that broadcasts at 915MHz mess with Z-Wave?
I have 2 weather stations that run on that frequency
jagged briar
Z-Wave US uses 908.4 and 916 MHz, so your 915 could be close enough to be a problem
ripe cloud
Turned off both weather stations for 30 min and no change in the Background RSSI (still between -84 to -88).
While I wait for my RF gear to arrive, could the high RSSI be caused from a bum Z-Wave device? Should I start turning off power to a switch/device at a time?
ripe cloud
I also ordered a https://www.suphammer.net/suphacap , not sure how lone that will take to get delivered
high oyster
Wonder if that supports the "standard" Zniffer output. You can build your own zniffer which is supported by ZUI. https://zwave-js.github.io/node-zwave-js/#/troubleshooting/zniffer
ripe cloud
I picked up another zooz because I never heard from RazBerry to try to get a Zniffer going in JS UI
high oyster
Might be difficult to convert a Zooz
ripe cloud
Yeah?
high oyster
boot loader is signed and encrypted, there's no accessible debug connection
ripe cloud
Ideally I want it to be PoE/network attached
high oyster
This was posted in 2020. Personally I would stick with an 800-series devkit, which will also support sniffing LR comms, and can either use ZUI's built-in zniffer software or the SiLabs program. https://community.hubitat.com/t/z-wave-sniffing-zniffing-and-you-a-guide-to-pulling-packets-from-thin-air/35663
There really is no difference between sniffing and zniffing. It's just two products doing the same thing. The Suphammer Suphacap did its very best before there was a cheap, good alternative. Suphacap is just a common, unspecialized radio receiver that is capable of seeing traffic in the Z-Wave bands and a smart Norwegian attached it to a board and wrote firmware to have it read signals and parse them into Z-Wave commands. It has shortcomings. So many that I'm not going to even try to list them. I love that he had the project and the tool but it's not worth buying anymore.
Razberry 7 also has built-in support for being a Zniffer, using their software. I don't have any experience besides knowing it exists. The add-on costs are a bit excessive IMO. https://z-wave.me/products/zniffer/.
ripe cloud
I looked at that post but couldn't find the main one the listed, and the ZWAVE-PK800B someone mentioned is exessive, I would just scrap Z-Wave and replace my switches with ZigBee
$427.91 🤑
I could replace my z-wave for $600-$700 but need scene controllers which I haven't found one that is as good as the Insteon KeypadLinc which I replaced with the Zooz ZEN32. I will replace the ZEN32 with the inovelli Smart Button Controller & Dimmer when/if it actually comes out.
high oyster
that's not the dev kit
high oyster
Well, that would let you do different kinds of analysis. Putting the zniffer at the same spot as the controller would more closely replicate what the controller "sees".
ripe cloud
I just got in a R828D RTL2832U 1PPM TCXO SMA Software Defined Radio that I will try to get working
Yeah, but most of the Zniffers are USB and my Z-Wave controller is TubesZB PoE connected in a different area
high oyster
Use a laptop then?
ripe cloud
That was my plan
jagged briar
FWIW if you manage to convert a Z-Wave board to a Zniffer and host it's serial port with the Tube thing, Z-Wave JS's Zniffer will happily connect to it
I don't think there are a lot of options outside of the Razberry and I don't know if it speaks the Zniffer protocol or something proprietary
ripe cloud
Yeah, just getting a zwave module to work with the TubeZB and have a Zniffer is so limited
I kind of read the same thing about Razberry and they weren't at all responsive when I contacted them
high oyster
@jagged briar if you connect a jlink to the Zooz, will it allow you to enable debug access and convert to zniffer?
jagged briar
I can read the flash memory, someone on our Discord also used that to fix an error in the NVM to unbrick it.
So I think it should be possible.
Unless you buy the correct China clone that works with the chip, buying the devkit is much cheaper though. And the antenna is better
ripe cloud
Possible to flash the Zooz ZAC93 with a Zinffer firmware?
jagged briar
You'll have to compile it specifically for that chip (and board), but with a J-Link you can run what you want on there
AFAIK
ripe cloud
I think for it to provide viable results it need to be near the PoE coordinator to use the ZGM230-DK2603A, and don't know if a 20' USB extension would work
jagged briar
I haven't tested flashing mine. But I did read the flash earlier today
The zgm230-dk2603a has a really good antenna though
ripe cloud
Do you think the zgm230-dk2603a on a high quality USB extension would work?
jagged briar
Which distance are we talking?
ripe cloud
20'
jagged briar
That's like 6-7 meters?
ripe cloud
right at 6 m
jagged briar
I don't see a problem with that.
Under ideal conditions outdoors that thing reaches over a kilometer
ripe cloud
I will pickup a zgm230-dk2603a too 🍻
jagged briar
If you don't need it as a Zniffer anymore you could also flash a controller firmware on it
ripe cloud
Yeah but in my house I have devices in open air (around a corner) that are 30' away that cannot see the TubeZB ZAC93
jagged briar
What is in your walls?
ripe cloud
2x4 and mostly drywall
some plaster and lath
it's at the end of a hallway and has a clear line of sight to a switch that cannot see it that is about 50' away
jagged briar
Hm. Shouldn't be too hard. But being honest, those Zooz controllers don't have the best antennas. They aren't bad, they are definitely better than 700 series and usually better than 500 series, but there is still a lot room for improvement
ripe cloud
How about poping an atenna on the Zooz?
jagged briar
High background RSSI certainly does not help
ripe cloud
background RSSI is what I am trying to get to the bottom of
Can a bad switch cause background RSSI to be high?
jagged briar
Can a bad switch cause background RSSI to be high?
Could be
I hope it's not the Tube thing 😅
ripe cloud
I am tempted to start killing power to switches one at a time
jagged briar
Do you have a USB controller to compare against?
ripe cloud
I think I have a Zooz 800 Series Z-Wave Long Range S2 USB Stick ZST39
jagged briar
Can you put that next to the ZAC93 and compare background RSSI?
ripe cloud
Are you tinking setup another HAOS an configure it with the USB stick?
jagged briar
Easiest would just be downloading Z-Wave JS UI and run it on a laptop
ripe cloud
gotcha
jagged briar
The standalone version from Z-Wave JS UI releases
ripe cloud
What is considered the best USB Z-Wave controller?
I picked up one of these last night to test against TubesZB:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/167016327839
jagged briar
The best one is yet to be released
ripe cloud
Is that the SMLIGHT one?
jagged briar
From what's available right now (and that I have tested):
Z-Wave.me Z-Station
Razberry 7 Pro
HomeSeer Smartstick G8
Zooz 800 series
ripe cloud
In that order?
jagged briar
Is that the SMLIGHT one?
high oyster
have you been testing in EU or US region configs?
jagged briar
The current revision looks quite different from the picture in there. But everyone who has tested it is blown away
jagged briar
have you been testing in EU or US region configs?
Both actually
high oyster
cool
ripe cloud
The Z-Station looks different or the 'Z-Wave is not dead' device?
jagged briar
The current revision looks quite different from the picture in there. But everyo...
Latest tests were 1.5km where both the receiver and sender were inside cars because it rained so much.
15 m thorough thick reinforced brick walls easily
jagged briar
The Z-Station looks different or the 'Z-Wave is not dead' device?
Ours
high oyster
i.e. the yet to be released one
ripe cloud
Will it be USB only?
ripe cloud
Because it will be 'stronger' then the rest?
jagged briar
Can't wait for it to be released so I can stop teasing and just tell everyone to buy it
high oyster
I am personally waiting before swapping, granted I don't have much reason to swap yet.
ripe cloud
So is it worth picking up a Z-Station or any insight on the timing of the release?
jagged briar
So is it worth picking up a Z-Station or any insight on the timing of the releas...
Z-Station is relatively expensive, but it also does Zigbee
high oyster
Any caveats with firmware updates or NVM backup/restore?
jagged briar
AFAIK ours is supposed to be released in the first half of thia year
ripe cloud
My ZigBee is also a PoE TubesZB and is rock solid
jagged briar
Any caveats with firmware updates or NVM backup/restore?
Not tested. I think some people have tried it though
ripe cloud
At this point I just want it to work!
jagged briar
Let's start with the USB controller and figuring out if the tubezb is the source of the background noise
ripe cloud
So with Z-Wave JS UI, on a Macbook, Looks like I will need to setup docker
high oyster
nope
ripe cloud
NPM?
high oyster
oh, macbook. which one?
high oyster
you could try the arm build
https://github.com/zwave-js/zwave-js-ui/releases curious if the arm64 one works
does say linux, so probably not
I think npm should work otherwise, if you don't want go Docker
high oyster
If you have nodejs already you could just try an npm install zwave-js-ui (-g optionally)
ripe cloud
I don't this laptop was just wiped
high oyster
Just be sure to set your STORE_DIR https://zwave-js.github.io/zwave-js-ui/#/getting-started/other-methods?id=npm
If Docker on Mac requires a VM, I'd try the nodejs route first.
FWIW packaging mac apps seems to be more difficult due to code signing requirements.
(also not sure how a build works on a GitHub runner)
jagged briar
Oh yeah, Mac is a different beast
high oyster
/dev/tty.usbserial-<foo>?
ripe cloud
ioreg -p IOUSB -l -b | grep -E "@|PortNum|USB Serial Number"
shows 0001
/dev/tty.usbserial-1?
high oyster
Sounds like a possibility
ripe cloud
After a reboot on JS it showed /dev/tty.usbserial-0001 as a selection
Are those devices that were previously included with the coordinator?
high oyster
If they were never excluded, yes
ripe cloud
trying to update the FW
high oyster
which controller is that again?
ripe cloud
Z-Wave stick ZST10 700
high oyster
ok, depending on the version you'll either install the silicon labs demo firmware, or download from Zooz. not sure there's a way to tell, maybe USB identifier.
probably no need for confirming background RSSI though
ripe cloud
The Zooz 7.18.3 installed
laptop is setting on the desk
going to move it to the TubesZB location
high oyster
I hate that graph. I'd just tail the debug logs.
I guess you get the actual stats if you hover over a point
ripe cloud
the battery was too low to move it so it rebooted
it's within 3 feet of the TubesZB
So would it seem like the next step would be killing power to a switch at a time?
or maybe an issue with the TubeZB or the ZAC93 coordinator
high oyster
The last graph shows good values?
ripe cloud
high oyster
those are pretty much perfect
ripe cloud
Here is the current TubeZB
🤮
is it worth trying to shield the ZAC93 from the TubesZB device?
high oyster
My zst10 700 in a hallway closet is currently at -102/98/98/96. Used to be higher.
jagged briar
is it worth trying to shield the ZAC93 from the TubesZB device?
Could be worth a shot
ripe cloud
aluminum foil?
high oyster
One option would be to get a GPIO-USB serial converter.
jagged briar
aluminum foil?
Won't be perfect, but might help
ripe cloud
One option would be to get a GPIO-USB serial converter.
What does that look like, do you have a link?
put aluminum foil in an envolpe and taped it over the ESP32 with the ZAC93 exposed
high oyster
something like https://www.seeedstudio.com/USB-CP2102-Serial-Converter-p-2825.html ?
that screenshot is just unreadable. what are the values?
ripe cloud
I have one of those, how would that work with the Tubes connection to the ZAC93?
high oyster
You would hookup the usb adapter to the zac93 and use it like a USB stick
ripe cloud
gotcha, just as a test with a USB extension to the HAOS server
high oyster
the experiment being to see if the esp part of the whole device was the issue
ripe cloud
the RSSI spiked to -120
with the foil over the ESP32
Looks like it settled down(up) to -91
I think I might connect the ZAC93 to the TubesZB with Dupont wires, which would get it 6" to 8" away from the TubeZB
So it went from -86 to -91 with the foil just covering the ESP32 chip/wifi
Right back to -85 without the foil
high oyster
weird
ripe cloud
The say to watch out for USB 3 devices around controllers
It's literally on top of the ESP32 chip
high oyster
That's true, but nothing's been published before regarding ESP32 chips and interference.
Also have never heard of this problem before from other users, although I personally don't recall seeing rssi measurements specifically.
ripe cloud
I don't think the interference is coming from the TubeZB, I enclosed the TubeZB with light guage aluminum box with only the ZAC93 exposed and the RSSI is back between -80 to -85
ripe cloud
So I swapped the Base TubeZB device and remapped it in JS UI/MQTT, the devices are talking to the coordinator but not to the Z-Wave integration. All the devices in the Z-Wave integration show as Unavailable - This entity is no longer being provided by the zwave_js integration. If the entity is no longer in use, delete it in settings.
How do I get JS UI mapped back to the Z-Wave integration?
high oyster
All HA cares about is the connection (WS url) and the home ID.
So check the integration status
ripe cloud
URL is ws://a0d7b954-zwavejs2mqtt:3000
that wouldn't change for any reason?
Home ID is 3299312704
where does the home id tie back to?
Some of the diag data is active on the device
high oyster
That's the add-on URL. Are you still using the add-on?
ripe cloud
Yes, still using the Z-Wave JS UI MQTT
high oyster
The integrations says it's connected?
ripe cloud
Z-Wave Network Connected
30 devices (29 not ready)
high oyster
sounds like none of the devices are actually working then
ripe cloud
in JS UI I can ping them
high oyster
is the interview "complete" in ZUI?
ripe cloud
and rebuild routes
high oyster
that's irrelevant to HA, what matters is whether they are ready
ripe cloud
I just kicked it off and its still running
ripe cloud
Looks like after the interview they are connecting back
Moved the ZAC93 down the hall another 8' and the RSSI is -96 to -90 now
jagged briar
Moved the ZAC93 down the hall another 8' and the RSSI is -96 to -90 now
Still not good, but better
ripe cloud
I got the RaZberry updated yesterday and tried to NVM restore from the ZAC93 to the RaZberry, but it failed. Odd because it worked last time, before the fw update. I have another ZAC93 coming and will run it side-by-side to see if there is just an issue with my current ZAC93. As well as the Z-Station arrives today
And this will arrive friday:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/167016327839
How complicated is the ZigBee coordinator migration?
jagged briar
no idea
ripe cloud
The new ZAC93 has the same Background RSSI
ripe cloud
Swapped out the ZAC93 to the Z-Station. Transition was super smooth. Background RSSI is -91 to -98. I need to move it once my USB extention arrives tomorrow.
south cloud
what are you using to monitor the background RSSI? I'd like to test my own device. I've sold a large number of the kits where people are using the ZAC93 and have had heard very little in the way of issues/hw/interference etc.
usually its installing the module backwards.
this is the set up I'm currently running to test an yet to be released upgrade kit for current users that allows running both zigbee (or thread) and zwave from the same Olimex ESP32-PoE. and the boards no longer overlap the esp32.
ripe cloud
I am using the JS UI MQTT
south cloud
lol thank you!
ripe cloud
The Z-Station is now at -95 to -100 for Background RSSI
ZAC93 was only as low as -90's
south cloud
ripe cloud
Is that on the new one or the existing TubesZB-ZW?
south cloud
that's the new one. I'll test chaging the orientation tonight, not at home now.
ripe cloud
I am really interested in this setup if you need someone to test
Which ZigBee radio is in there?
south cloud
I've been meaning to switch it out for my main zigbee radio (MGM24) but haven't done it yet as I have way too much on my plate.
ripe cloud
I also have the Tubes setup with a MGM24
to play with but don't want to mess with the ZigBee
south cloud
I'm going to sell 2 pcb set which bridges the Olimex connector to the side for two 5x2 pin headers set up for the zigbee and zw (pi) modules
ripe cloud
so the base Olimex ESP32-PoE remains and just a different breakout board?
south cloud
yep different break out board and case.
ripe cloud
Wonder if I could put an antenna on the ZAC93
so I would have just two antennas through the ceiing
south cloud
not sure. on that. in the powered on pic the internal one is lit nicely 😂 #1331017210478723237 message
ripe cloud
I might sacrifice my extra ZAC93 and try it
south cloud
I have another, I solely got to take product photos so let me know how it goes.
ripe cloud
how does the CC2652P2 differ from the CC2652P7?
ripe cloud
So this setup would also work with my C2652P7?
south cloud
yes
ripe cloud
MGM24 isn't stable though?
south cloud
it's has been stable on ZHA, and it and the MGM21 are stable on Z2M with the ember adapter - thanks to all the work Nerivic did.
(with 7.4.x fw installed)
Nerivic and Puddly are both seperately working on host based zigbee stacks that will just talk to an RCP for the radio. so "Best" will in the future not be radio centric.
ripe cloud
So I should migrate to the MGM24? I am running Z2m
I have it setup as a seperate Tubes
south cloud
if it's working let it be
ripe cloud
I need to figure out the migration steps in the event something dies, that doesn't involve re-joining 100 devices
south cloud
both zha and z2m make backups frequently.
and if you start them with a radio with no settings they can restore the last backup
south cloud
the numbers are unreliable
go with the do things work or not
different radios use different baselines/algorithims for LQI and sometimes it's just from the last hop of a device.
ripe cloud
gotcha
I see the request Z2m backup, but not a restore
Is it like the ZW NVM backup/Restore
south cloud
my understanding is z2m will do it automatically to a radio that is blank
no it's at a higher level
the backup is a json file
you should see it in the z2m config folder
ripe cloud
Is there a way to default the MGM24?
south cloud
ripe cloud
Wonder if that would work with tcp://10.11.12.7:6638
Or would I need to connect to a usb adapter
Or install it in a Pi
south cloud
that works with socket://
you can also use https://github.com/Nerivec/ember-zli/wiki and it would be the leave network command I think
^ this I think would work with tcp://
ripe cloud
Does the MGM24 plug in to the Pi header like the ZAC93?
ripe cloud
I see that now, does the Olimex UEXT usb connection give you access to the MGM24 or just the Olimex UEXT?
south cloud
the UEXT is the 5x2 pin header on the Olimex ESP32-PoE.
the microUSB port only talks to te esp32 module
jagged briar
Wonder if I could put an antenna on the ZAC93
I'm curious if that works. There's a matching RC circuit for the antenna, which might not be a good fit for whatever antenna you put on there.
ripe cloud
I'm curious if that works. There's a matching RC circuit for the antenna, which ...
I was just going to cut the antenna tracer and attach the antenna. Maybe not a good idea?
jagged briar
I don't know really. I just know that we had an iteration of our prototype which should have been better than the previous one, but the matching circuit was somewhat off, resulting in much, much worse performance
balmy plume
FWIW if you manage to convert a Z-Wave board to a Zniffer and host it's serial p...
Don't Z-Wave sniffers just look for Z-wave packets?
jagged briar
Yes, why?
The official Zniffer application does not support serial over TCP. The one included in Z-Wave JS does.
jagged briar
The official Zniffer application does not support serial over TCP. The one inclu...
Well at least not without requiring an ethernet based Zniffer board.
balmy plume
Just wondering a Z-wave sniffer could be used to track down non-Z-wave interferers
jagged briar
Nope
balmy plume
Yeah didn't think so
jagged briar
It will help you very quickly find Z-Wave interferes though
jagged briar
No it will show the home ID and node id, so it helps narrow down the search Immensely
And you might be able to find the device by looking at packet RSSI
balmy plume
I have two z-wave networks running an they don't seem to interfere with each other
Only about 25 devices total
One controller is ZAC-93 and the other is Z-Station
jagged briar
Yeah generally it's not an issue. But if one device starts misbehaving and floods the network, you'll also notice it on the other network.
balmy plume
@jagged briar I'm looking for some experienced advice. I'm planning on migrating my HA system from a Yellow to an N-100 Intel box. The Yellow has builtin Zigbee and I'm using the plug-in ZAC93 for Z-Wave. I've been running a Z-Station (Z-Wave and Zigbee) on the N-100 box for a while with some Zigbee and Z-Wave test devices and it's been solid. Now the issue is how to migrate Z-Wave and Zigbee and not have to re-pair everything and redo all dependent automations, cards etc. I haven't been able to locate a good step-by-step guide. Can you point me to some good references?
ripe cloud
On the zwave side I was able to NVM backup/restore from ZAC93 to the Z-Station. I disabled the Z-Wave Integration during the coordinator swap.
I was able to do the same to the RaZberry on an older firmware but not since I updated it.
balmy plume
I'm migrating HA to new system, should I disable Z-Wave before creating a full backup and before dumping the Z-Wave NVM. Then retore on new host system, restore the NVM then enable Z-Wave?
ripe cloud
I did the NVM back, shut down the coordinator, disabled Z-wave integration, restored NVM to the new coordinator, verify devices are talking to the new one, enable Z-Wave.
Sometimes you have to re-interview the devices
high oyster
weird, shouldn't be any need to re-interview
ripe cloud
They showed as unknown in HA, in JS UI they were all good.
high oyster
huh, that makes even less sense
Not sure what you mean by "unknown" though
Do you mean unavailable entities?
ripe cloud
Might have been unavailable
Is there a back/restore process for migrating to a different ZigBee radio? In z2m
jagged briar
huh, that makes even less sense
Maybe if the integration was active. There were reports about HA forgetting everything on NVM restore on a new controller.
high oyster
Yeah, but he said the integration was disabled hence my confusion. Also, that typically results in devices being completely removed, not entities unavailable, but may there's a related hint there.
ripe cloud
When I did a test NVM backup/restore with the Z-Wave integration enabled, I beleve all the devices were removed and then added back. What I saw was the parent device name was fine and still matched but the buttons and other entities lost my custom names and IDs.
I will say the Z-Station is significantly better than the ZAC93. Every device in my home has at least a 7 out of 10 rating to the coordinator. And the Z-Station is direct connected in the Garage. The ZAC93 couldn't see devices that were 50 feet down a hall way and family room in open air.
Background RSSI on the Z-Station is - 98 to - 104
balmy plume
I have a ZAC93 plugin module for the Yellow and it's been solid. I can't use it on the on N-100 box I'm migrating to, and the Yellow has built in Zigbee controller. That's why I'm changing to the Z-Station.
ripe cloud
Z-Station is great for Z-Wave, haven't tried Zigbee with it
Couldn't you connect up the ZAC93 to USB and use it that way?
balmy plume
No it plugs to a header in the Yellow it would be a kluge
