radiant flicker Dec 13, 2024, 1:44 PM

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Hello, I saw in some older reddit posts that sonoff zigbee USB E was unstable (posts from 2-3 yo), but on a more recent post someone said that now it's stable. Does anyone know where I could find some info about this?
I'm trying to decide between E and P versions, because E version looks like more "futureproof" supporting multiple protocols

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sonoff zigbee E or P

boreal smelt Dec 13, 2024, 1:51 PM

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Don't buy the P

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Probably don't buy the E either, devices from SMLight and Tube are better

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But if all you can find/afford is the E then it's ok

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Oh, and both support multiple protocols - neither support multiple protocols at the same time

radiant flicker Dec 13, 2024, 1:51 PM

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E and P have very similar price

boreal smelt Dec 13, 2024, 1:51 PM

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See the pins in #zigbee-archived for Tube and SMLight

radiant flicker Dec 13, 2024, 1:52 PM

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i just chechek for P because most people recommand it (on reddit)

boreal smelt Dec 13, 2024, 1:52 PM

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Most people don't understand the hardware faults with it 😉

radiant flicker Dec 13, 2024, 1:53 PM

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also i see that E has the same soc as skyconnect

boreal smelt Dec 13, 2024, 1:53 PM

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Yes

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Most Zigbee sticks are based around two main chipsets, and the handful of variants of both

radiant flicker Dec 13, 2024, 1:55 PM

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thank you, i took a look at the pinned post and...nobody is selling them in my country, so sonoffs would be more accesible

boreal smelt Dec 13, 2024, 1:55 PM

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You can amost always just import them

radiant flicker Dec 13, 2024, 1:56 PM

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the price is also 3X 😄

boreal smelt Dec 13, 2024, 1:56 PM

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You're gonna spend way more on Zigbee devices. Do you really want to cheap out on the most critical device in that mesh?

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I spent about $60 equivalent on my coordinator, and I've spent easily $300+ on Zigbee devices

radiant flicker Dec 13, 2024, 1:57 PM

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atm i have only a few diy sensors battery powered based on esp8266 and linked to HA, i wanted to try one (at least at start 😄 ) zigbee pir sensor to see the differences

boreal smelt Dec 13, 2024, 1:57 PM

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Actually, make that easily $900 now

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(over the course of about 5 years)

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The main difference with Zigbee is battery life - you'll easily get 18+ months per coin battery

radiant flicker Dec 13, 2024, 2:01 PM

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i saw the battery life, i got like ~1 year but with 18650 from old powerbanks, the purpose of the project is to create cheap "iot" sensors made from scratch, it's just a degree project

boreal smelt Dec 13, 2024, 2:02 PM

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Creating Zigbee sensors is harder than ESP based ones, there's not anything like as much information out there

radiant flicker Dec 13, 2024, 2:25 PM

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i know, mines are wifi based, using a pi zero as a "coordinator server" and also using the pi to use "pre defined" classes that get the ip and name of sensor as parameters, compile the files and upload them to the esp.
i don't even wanna try to create zigbee, i just want to compare with them 😄

boreal smelt Dec 13, 2024, 2:26 PM

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Smaller, better looking, longer battery life, sometimes cheaper.

Also sometimes utterly crap sensors that you'll curse a lot (Sonoff or Tuya)

radiant flicker Dec 13, 2024, 2:28 PM

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a few days ago i saw that some people recommand the sonoff pir snzb-03, and today when i read again a lot of people were complaining about false positives...is sonoff really a bad "brand" for those type of things?
i have some sonoff basic sockets for a few years and never had problems with them (they are using ewelink, their software)

boreal smelt Dec 13, 2024, 2:37 PM

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Yes, their entire Zigbee range varies from ok to downright crap

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A bit like Tuya and Tuya rebrands

radiant flicker Dec 13, 2024, 2:37 PM

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i found a site that sells SMLIGHT SLZB-06 directly from my country, guess i'll go for it

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what brands would you recommand?i'm looking for pir senros, door/window senros, and temeprature and humidity (here i saw that aqara also have a pressur sensor together with humidity and temperature)

boreal smelt Dec 13, 2024, 2:41 PM

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3Reality, Hue, Innr, Xiaomi (Aqara and Mijia), Gledopto, Ikea

radiant flicker Dec 13, 2024, 2:44 PM

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oh...there are multiple versions of smlight slzb-06...
SLZB06
SLZB06M
SLZB06P7
SLZB-06p10

boreal smelt Dec 13, 2024, 2:44 PM

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Their site explains them

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I'd personally suggest the EFR based ones, rather than the CC265x based ones

radiant flicker Dec 13, 2024, 2:45 PM

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then SLZB06M it is 😄

radiant flicker Dec 13, 2024, 3:19 PM

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do you own a erf based smlight coordinator?
they really can use 2 protocls in the same time?like matter-thread and zigbee?

boreal smelt Dec 13, 2024, 3:22 PM

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Well, in theory they can

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Just like in theory you can use a Tesla as a boat

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The experience is going to be ... not great, if you're lucky

radiant flicker Dec 13, 2024, 3:23 PM

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then i'll just look at zigbee devices then 😄

boreal smelt Dec 13, 2024, 3:32 PM

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There's nothing wrong with Thread and Matter, just don't expect to use one stick for everything

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 3:22 PM

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hello @boreal smelt , i finally received my smlight slzb-06, and integrated it with home assistant, but i'm trying to find out if it's using zha/zigbee2mqtt (i've read that zibgee2mqtt is more customizable)
in the smlight web GUI this is checked but i have no ideea if it's comunicating with z2m or zha with by sonoff pir

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 3:51 PM

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radiant flicker hello <@332579266623438848> , i finally received my smlight slzb-06, and integra...

Which did you install? If you installed nothing it’s probably ZHA

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 3:51 PM

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vestal stratus Which did you install? If you installed nothing it’s probably ZHA

Nothing... It was plug and play

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then..how can i change it?

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i've found this in smlight web GUI

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but i'm using docker and when i try to create zigbeemqtt container it asks for an USB prot...

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but i'm using it on wifi

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 3:53 PM

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Back up, so Home Assistant is installed in docker too

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 3:53 PM

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yep

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 3:54 PM

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I am not sure if that has ZHA support built in or not

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But it says it’s connected in the SMLIGHT UI

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 3:55 PM

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yep, in HA - settings -integration it discovered this one

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and i've just pressed "add" button

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 3:55 PM

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Yeah just roll with that then

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There are only a few outlier devices which work better with z2m I think

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99.5% sure ZHA will get you what you need without extra fuss

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 3:56 PM

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i've just read that z2m might be faster, supports more devices and it can show more attributes

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100% i don't need any of that

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but just wanted to experiment

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 3:56 PM

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Give this a try you can always migrate to z2m

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 3:56 PM

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yes but how i can migrate? 😄

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 3:57 PM

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Well you would have to re-pair all your devices

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How many devices are we talking

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 3:57 PM

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1 now 😄

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 3:57 PM

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Lol

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 3:57 PM

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but how i can switch from zha to z2m?

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 3:57 PM

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The key thing is if/when you configure z2m you would be pointing it to a tcp socket and not a USB port

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So for example my configuration.yaml looks like this serial: port: tcp://10.10.1.154:6638 adapter: zstack baudrate: 115200

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 3:58 PM

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this is the point when i've stoppe dunderstaning

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this configuration is from HA

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but don't i need to already have the z2m addons

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to have this configuration?

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 3:59 PM

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Well you're using HA in docker

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There are no addons

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 3:59 PM

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another container with z2m *

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 3:59 PM

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https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/02_docker.html#docker

Docker | Zigbee2MQTT

Zigbee to MQTT bridge, get rid of your proprietary Zigbee bridges

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You would need to follow that

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Basically the only thing HA would know about it is there are devices it would discover via MQTT

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 4:00 PM

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so somehow i should have somethings like
--device=tcp://192.168.x.x:6638 ?

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 4:02 PM

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Following this example https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/01_linux.html#configuring ```# MQTT settings
mqtt:
# MQTT base topic for Zigbee2MQTT MQTT messages
base_topic: zigbee2mqtt
# MQTT server URL
server: 'mqtt://<your mqtt broker IP>'
# MQTT server authentication, uncomment if required:
# user: my_user
# password: my_password

Serial settings

serial:
# Location of the adapter (see first step of this guide)
port: tcp://<your smlight ip>:6638```

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 4:03 PM

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ok, i started to create a container with that --device worngly typec, and now it created the configuration.yml file

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i'll give it a try

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 4:03 PM

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As you can see zha just works out of the box

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But if you're in the mood to tinker lol

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 4:03 PM

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what can i say, i like to make my life complicated for simple things

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 4:04 PM

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We're the same there, good luck

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I assume you also have an mqtt broker already

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 4:05 PM

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i have nothing

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 4:05 PM

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So you'll need that too 😉

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Too bad you're not running HAOS

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 4:05 PM

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i thought that smlight slzb-06m will work as a borker

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 4:05 PM

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The addons for those make this much smoother

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No, that is your Zigbee coordinator

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 4:06 PM

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now i think i get it, so basically the cigbee coordinator will "convert" the data to mqtt?

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 4:06 PM

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Z2M will do that

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And then it needs an MQTT broker to publish to, then HA connects to that broker, auto discovers the devices

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 4:06 PM

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good way to scracth my left ear with my right hand

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 4:06 PM

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I only use Z2M because I actually had all of that before I dove into HA

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So it was easier to migrate my setup to the Z2M addon than start over

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 4:07 PM

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then i'll guess i will try to move to z2m when i'll have more time 😄

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 4:07 PM

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Well, honestly, if you're going to mess with it I'd do it before your Zigbee network grows and you have to re-pair everything

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With one device playing around is trivial, with two dozen it's a pain

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I am sure there are all-in-one tutorials for standing all this up

radiant flicker Dec 25, 2024, 4:09 PM

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i'll take a better* look

vestal stratus Dec 25, 2024, 4:16 PM

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radiant flicker i'll take a better* look

This one seems decent, what's missing is connecting HA to MQTT at the end https://pimylifeup.com/docker-zigbee2mqtt/

Pi My Life Up

Self-hosting Zigbee2MQTT using Docker

Quick and easy guide

#sonoff zigbee E or P

Serial settings