Z Stick Gen 5 plus --> Zooz 800 Series? | Home Assistant | Page 1

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 1:29 PM

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Is there a migration path from Z Stick Gen 5 plus to Zooz 800 Series?

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If there is not, is there some way to remove all my zwave devices and add them back while retaining their HA name do i dont need to update dashboards and automations?

grizzled sapphire Dec 10, 2024, 3:21 PM

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Make sure the stick is on firmware 1.2.
Use Z-Wave JS UI.
NVM backup, switch to new stick, NVM restore

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 4:27 PM

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grizzled sapphire Make sure the stick is on firmware 1.2. Use Z-Wave JS UI. NVM backup, switch to ...

The Gen 5 Plus?

grizzled sapphire Dec 10, 2024, 4:28 PM

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Yeah looks like you're already good to go

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 4:28 PM

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amazing thanks!

grizzled sapphire Dec 10, 2024, 4:29 PM

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There's a small bug where Z-Wave JS UI displays the wrong name for the controller after migration.
If that bothers you, just restart.

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 4:30 PM

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thank you! i read this on the amazon listing and got real nervous :

grizzled sapphire Dec 10, 2024, 4:34 PM

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That refers to doing the backup with PC controller or other software. Those don't convert the NVM contents to the target format and will brick the stick

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Z-Wave JS (ui) does.

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 4:37 PM

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ah bummer. backup is throwing errors. google didnt seem to have an answer. maybe youve seen this before?: 2024-12-10 11:32:41.635 INFO Z-WAVE: Controller status: Backup NVM progress: 16% 2024-12-10T16:32:42.713Z DRIVER unexpected response, discarding... 2024-12-10 11:32:46.220 INFO APP: GET /health/zwave 301 0.360 ms - 162 2024-12-10T16:32:52.718Z CNTRLR Turning RF on... 2024-12-10T16:32:52.725Z DRIVER unexpected response, discarding... 2024-12-10 11:32:52.730 INFO Z-WAVE: Timeout while waiting for a response from the controller (ZW0200) backupNVMRaw undefined

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tried rebooting zwavejs but happened a second time as well

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suspect i may just need to start from scratch when the new zooz 800 stick arrives.

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do you know if there is a prefered method starting from scratch to try and keep the names./or reuse the names of the devices so i dont need to update automations or front end

grizzled sapphire Dec 10, 2024, 4:46 PM

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Need to look at driver logs on level debug. Those you shared don't tell the full story.

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 4:47 PM

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grizzled sapphire Need to look at driver logs on level debug. Those you shared don't tell the full...

so sorry, where might I find those.

fallow briar Dec 10, 2024, 4:49 PM

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https://zwave-js.github.io/zwave-js-ui/#/troubleshooting/generating-logs?id=driver-logs

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 4:55 PM

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looks like it fails on line 2554

📎 message.txt

fallow briar Dec 10, 2024, 4:58 PM

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wrong logs

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n/m, it's a mix

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Fails earlier than that, around line 1953. Somehow it's logging a Meter report even while RF is off.

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 6:04 PM

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can this be linked to a problematic device that should be removed?

fallow briar Dec 10, 2024, 6:05 PM

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RF is turned off during NVM backup/restore

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 6:05 PM

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is there a manual method to turn off RF first then start the NVM backup?

fallow briar Dec 10, 2024, 6:06 PM

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it's all automated, you don't need to

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 6:07 PM

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doesnt it look like device 126 is the one still talking...should i just remove that?

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its a long range 800 series device and the gen5 stick seems to disslike 800 LR devices

fallow briar Dec 10, 2024, 6:09 PM

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Node 15 also reports a meter value prior to RF being turned back on.

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 6:13 PM

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ok i will remove 126 try again. if that doesnt work. remove 15. and see from there

fallow briar Dec 10, 2024, 6:16 PM

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Sort of defeats the purpose of the process. Seems like a bug at least.

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 6:17 PM

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true. but remving two nodes is easier than perhaps waiting for a big fix

fallow briar Dec 10, 2024, 6:17 PM

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Yeah, hopefully other nodes don't decide to start talking.

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You could also try turning of meter reporting temporarily.

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 6:18 PM

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oh on the device? ok yeah ill try that

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i could also unplug it...right then it would not be sending data

fallow briar Dec 10, 2024, 6:19 PM

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actually seems to be notifications as well

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I see Node 10 as well

grizzled sapphire Dec 10, 2024, 6:20 PM

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Is anything (automations, etc) sending commands during the NVM backup? That might explain the problem.

fallow briar Dec 10, 2024, 6:20 PM

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how can the nodes communicate with RF off though?

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 6:20 PM

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not sure. I will disable those and node-red

grizzled sapphire Dec 10, 2024, 6:20 PM

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fallow briar how can the nodes communicate with RF off though?

Sending commands would enable RF automatically again

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or maybe the stick crashes and restarts

grizzled sapphire Dec 10, 2024, 6:21 PM

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grizzled sapphire Sending commands would enable RF automatically again

I think it shouldn't be possible, but I'm not entirely sure

fallow briar Dec 10, 2024, 6:22 PM

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there's no log to indicate it's doing that, at least

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Oh, SetRFReceiveMode ?

grizzled sapphire Dec 10, 2024, 6:22 PM

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Eh, the NVM backup is being started in the middle of a failed transmission. I'm not 100% sure that edge case is handled

fallow briar Dec 10, 2024, 6:23 PM

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Yeah, interesting

grizzled sapphire Dec 10, 2024, 6:23 PM

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Ideally make sure there are some seconds of silence before starting the backup to avoid that.

fallow briar Dec 10, 2024, 6:24 PM

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Could proactively disable RF via driver code prior to backup?

grizzled sapphire Dec 10, 2024, 6:24 PM

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I have made some progress at making these command sequences more predictable, but it's not there yet

grizzled sapphire Dec 10, 2024, 6:24 PM

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fallow briar Could proactively disable RF via driver code prior to backup?

possibly

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await driver.controller.toggleRF(false);

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Then wait a minute and watch the log for commands from and to nodes

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if nothing happens, start the backup

fallow briar Dec 10, 2024, 6:27 PM

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from ZUI control panl, dotsvertical -> 🪄 -> Driver function -> Write

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 6:29 PM

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fallow briar from ZUI control panl,<:dotsvertical:633778846709186592> -> 🪄 -> Driver functi...

sorry, you want me to try this? what is ZUI? if its this then it only shows me ability to add /remove nodes

fallow briar Dec 10, 2024, 6:29 PM

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ZUI = Z-Wave JS UI

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the 🪄 is literally above your circle

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 6:30 PM

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sorry i see that now

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2024-12-10T18:30:37.997Z CNTRLR   Turning RF off...
2024-12-10 13:30:38.012 INFO Z-WAVE: Success zwave api call driverFunction undefined
2024-12-10 13:31:00.220 INFO APP: GET /health/zwave 301 0.443 ms - 162
2024-12-10 13:31:14.617 INFO Z-WAVE: Calling api backupNVMRaw with args: [ [length]: 0 ]
2024-12-10T18:31:14.619Z CNTRLR   Backing up NVM...
2024-12-10T18:31:14.622Z CNTRLR   Turning RF off...
2024-12-10T18:31:14.634Z CNTRLR   Stopping hardware watchdog...
2024-12-10 13:31:15.686 INFO Z-WAVE: Controller status: Backup NVM progress: 0%
2024-12-10T18:31:15.711Z DRIVER   unexpected response, discarding...

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2024-12-10T18:31:28.014Z DRIVER   unexpected response, discarding...
2024-12-10 13:31:29.170 INFO Z-WAVE: Controller status: Backup NVM progress: 8%
2024-12-10T18:31:29.199Z DRIVER   unexpected response, discarding...
2024-12-10 13:31:30.284 INFO APP: GET /health/zwave 301 0.477 ms - 162
2024-12-10T18:31:30.467Z DRIVER   unexpected response, discarding...
2024-12-10T18:31:40.472Z CNTRLR   Turning RF on...
2024-12-10T18:31:40.480Z DRIVER   unexpected response, discarding...
2024-12-10 13:31:40.484 INFO Z-WAVE: Timeout while waiting for a response from the controller (ZW0200) backupNVMRaw undefined``` i think a device is still butting in

grizzled sapphire Dec 10, 2024, 6:33 PM

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ok share another driver log of trying that

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(loglevel debug, so we see what's happening)

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 6:37 PM

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📎 a0d7b954_zwavejs2mqtt_2024-12-10T18-37-35.666Z.log

fallow briar Dec 10, 2024, 6:43 PM

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not seeing toggleRF in that last log?

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 6:46 PM

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well this one looks extra spicy

📎 a0d7b954_zwavejs2mqtt_2024-12-10T18-46-08.130Z.log

fallow briar Dec 10, 2024, 6:49 PM

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Background RSSI is quite poor BTW. Are you using a USB extension cable?

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 6:49 PM

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yes im using a USB extension

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should i not be?

fallow briar Dec 10, 2024, 6:51 PM

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you should be

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 6:51 PM

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ok perhaps I should replace it with a new one.

fallow briar Dec 10, 2024, 6:54 PM

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That would be an odd thing to fail. Background RSSI should ideally be < -90 dBm for a Z-Stick Gen5.

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 6:55 PM

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should i try plugging direct to port just for backup purposes?

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 7:11 PM

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ok no difference with stick plugged directly in to USB rather than through extension

grizzled sapphire Dec 10, 2024, 7:15 PM

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Do you have a Windows PC?

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If so doing the backup in PC controller could help. I can verify if the backup file is okay

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 7:24 PM

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i do., and i will . is that using the aoetec tools for backup: https://aeotec.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/6000108806-z-stick-gen5-backup-software

Aeotec Help Desk

Z-Stick Gen5 Backup Software

This page provides the download for the Backup Software tool for Z-Stick Gen5 and form part of the larger Z-Stick Gen5 user manual. The Z-Stick Gen5 backup tool is now available for the Windows PC platform (downloads at the bottom of the page...

sharp ore Dec 10, 2024, 7:41 PM

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backup from Zstick app

📎 zwaveBackup.bin

grizzled sapphire Dec 11, 2024, 6:57 AM

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Looks like Z-Wave JS parses this just fine, so you should be able to restore that on the new stick (with Z-Wave JS UI)

sharp ore Dec 11, 2024, 1:29 PM

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oh wow

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so just here but selet the 'zwaveBackup.bin' file from my local computer?

grizzled sapphire Dec 11, 2024, 1:47 PM

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assuming you've plugged in the new stick, yes

sharp ore Dec 11, 2024, 1:52 PM

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grizzled sapphire assuming you've plugged in the new stick, yes

do both sticks need to be in at once, or can i remove the old?

grizzled sapphire Dec 11, 2024, 1:54 PM

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Just plug the new one in and configure Z-Wave JS to use that before starting the restore.

sharp ore Dec 11, 2024, 2:01 PM

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got it. so now that I am here, i would restore?

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also seems i should update the firmware first

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ok i think it all worked! thank you so much for your assitance.

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should i heal or reinterview any of the network? any maintinace i should do now?

grizzled sapphire Dec 11, 2024, 2:18 PM

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sharp ore should i heal or reinterview any of the network? any maintinace i should do now?

You may have to rebuild some routes. If things work, leave it alone for now.

gaunt oxide Dec 11, 2024, 6:48 PM

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What a coincidence...I'm about to do this exact migration.

sharp ore Dec 11, 2024, 7:48 PM

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gaunt oxide What a coincidence...I'm about to do this exact migration.

let me know how it goes. im finding that my door locks will need to be excluded and then reincluded

grizzled sapphire Dec 11, 2024, 9:23 PM

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shouldn't be necessary

devout steppe Dec 12, 2024, 1:23 AM

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Watching closely as I have this same 500 aeotec to zooz 800LR task to complete in my pile.

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I think Friday looks like. The green and black boxes on my desk here are haunting me.

gaunt oxide Dec 12, 2024, 2:43 AM

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sharp ore let me know how it goes. im finding that my door locks will need to be excluded...

I hope not...I don't even know where the special code is to do the admin functions on the locks

sharp ore Dec 13, 2024, 3:36 PM

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I tested an NVM backup using the new 800 series stick and it worked, fast, no issues

devout steppe Dec 13, 2024, 7:15 PM

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I booted windows, after 3 restarts for updated and a failed installation of something... Windows is annoying. I'm about to try the backup thingie. (After is loads the .net crap...)

sharp ore Dec 13, 2024, 7:27 PM

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sorry i had a working windows box ready to go

devout steppe Dec 13, 2024, 7:34 PM

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Just venting. This is the other nvme on my main laptop. The one I deleted everything I could from and ignored until tax time when I needed it to run tax software.
Nice. Couldn't update BC being used. Awesome...

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It's probably disccord...

devout steppe Dec 13, 2024, 9:55 PM

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Windows updates done so the .,net could load, and backup done. Did I mention I hate windows? This is a 12th gen I9 and an nvme, no slouch and still hours to get windows running again after sitting a couple of months.

devout steppe Dec 14, 2024, 12:07 AM

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So I am currently booted and running zwave on my 500 stick. I have the backup file. What do I do next?
I tried a bunch of stuff played for a couple of hours and got nowhere.
Zwavejs is still installed, and HA tries and is successful in finding it and getting that running. zwavejsui doesn't find it.
Normally right noiw ui is running and is populated.
Guessing just delete the old one as I don't need it.

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Anyway I restored the addons and stuck the 500 back in and it just ran again, how to continue here.

fallow briar Dec 14, 2024, 12:37 AM

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You should only ever have one of the add-ons installed, and to perform an NVM restore you need Z-Wave JS UI. Also, no reason to use Windows unless you had run into the above problem reading the NVM.

devout steppe Dec 14, 2024, 1:18 AM

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I had the same stick, so I got the backup.

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Are the next steps written somewhere? Like if I pull the old stick, plug the new stick, go into integrations and change path so it sees it, go into the ui addon. load restore?

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My problem is It was auto connecting using the old add-on, now that's gone, I know the serial string if I need it, the web socket should be the same.

fallow briar Dec 14, 2024, 2:03 AM

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The integration doesn't have any settings to change. Everything is in ZUI. Yes, you just swap the device path in the add-on and restore the NVM.

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You can disable the integration for the time if you want to avoid connection failures

devout steppe Dec 14, 2024, 2:36 AM

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I looked and looks half dozen times, just found that. I thought it had to be somewhere... OK. Thanks.

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