#HA Yellow - Raspberry Pi CM5

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drifting spindle
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I know its just been announced but is there any information on it being a drop in replacement for the yellow?
I suspect it will power up but might require a reinstall with a new image perhaps? I base that guess off a rpi4 OS on an SD card for example cannot just be thrown into a rpi5 and work.

remote skiff
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I'd hit up search - here and the forum - that's been asked before

drifting spindle
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its been mentioned a couple of times and i see some PR's about support in the HAOS repo. but i didnt see any official plan or what the proceedure might be. But I may have missed it to be fair

remote skiff
worn pike
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I do know the high density connector has a different pin out than CM4 to incorporate 2 extra usb 2.0 ports

remote skiff
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Well, that ensures the answer is no then 😄

worn pike
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Not necessarily. I’m sure some are common between the two… so if yellow doesn’t use those that have changed… it’s possible… but very unlikely

sullen umbra
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They created a different CM5-IO-Board due to the pin differences, so I don't think the chances are too great.

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My next doubt would be the fanless thermal design of the Yellow. Similar to the Pi5, the CM5 will likely produce more heat.

drifting spindle
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looks like its working on some cm4 carrier boards so there must be some degree of hardware backwards compatibility. I guess it depends how the yellow is routed i guess. heat is a fair point too.

sullen umbra
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However - I would be glad, if my prediction would be wrong shksD

drifting spindle
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yeah i have been considering switching from the yellow to a n100 (or maybe the new n150 i guess) however if a cm5 upgrade works then may stick on the yellow.

sullen umbra
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16 GB RAM and 128 GB eMMC would be nice as well - whenever that version will be available.

drifting spindle
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it will be cool but honestly at that point i feel there might be better options for home projects but for industrial usess it will be amazing to have have that as an option.

sullen umbra
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Just looked up the price at a Danish seller. 157 EUR for the 16/64 variant without WiFi, 162 EUR for the one with WiFi. Availability expected during Q1 2025.

remote skiff
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A second hand SFF PC makes more sense

drifting spindle
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yeah your starting to get to the price of a new minipc there too. and you still have to add the carrier board/case/PSU/etc...
dont get me wrong, i think it would be great for alot of embedded applications but when it comes to home projects i think it doesnt really scale in value over other options

carmine star
jagged jolt
slate wing
drifting spindle
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yay

sullen umbra
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So we have the official confirmation. 🎉

drifting spindle
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was wondering what the timeline is on 14.0, check github... its in RC2... the news gets better

jagged jolt
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Do we know if the Coral TPU works now through PCIe?

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I guess it might be a moot point these days as there are probably better devices 😄

sullen umbra
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We don't know yet. Nothing on the offical blog post about that.

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But there might indeed be hope.

misty seal
sullen umbra
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Let's see, when the higher storage and RAM ones are actually available in the shops.

raven field
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I'm going to upgrade my yellow to an N-100 based box. Bee Eq13 16GB 500GB SSD $189. Price/performance vs Pi 5 is no contest

slate wing
sullen umbra
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I wouldn't recommend anything with less than 4GB RAM.
Wireless isn't that important, IMO. WiFi connection isn't recommended and ESPHome BT proxies are usually better than the onboard BT radio.

jagged jolt
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From what I've seen only the 4GB RAM/32GB eMMC model is available right now, I'm waiting for the 16GB model in February

sullen umbra
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16GB might be overkill (who doesn't like that dr_evil ).
My CM4 has 8GB and I didn't run into limitations, yet.
It is at 66% now - with Discord running in a RAM hungry Firefox add-on via a remote connection. shksKEKW

slate wing
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Depends where you look seems like some partners have most of them in stock in the next days

sullen umbra
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17-01-2024
24-01-2024
31-01-2024
I think they are a bit optimistic with January 2024 SWPalp

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February for the higher tier ones.

raven field
drifting spindle
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my yellow with cm4 has 4gb ram and havent had any issues. but it does shoot up in usage if i am using multiple addons to do stuff at once (vscode uses a fair bit for example, but thats expected. if i change to a cm5 i would probably go for 4 as its probably not worth the price jump to go to 8. but between now and me hyperthertically buying one... who knows what will happen

jagged jolt
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So I got the CM5 today, since HAOS 14 isn't released do I just take the img.xz file for the yellow from the GitHub RC2 release?

sullen umbra
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I'd look at the release notes first. But I think, that should be fine-ish (it is still a release candidate, it might still have some issues)

jagged jolt
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Trying it out now, I just spent 10 minutes pulling my hair because rpiboot didn't work as expected

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But that was just the cable 😄

jagged jolt
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Well that went off without a hitch

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Except that it feels a bit slower to boot

sullen umbra
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No problems with the on-board radio? And are you using the GPIO pins for Z-Wave for example?

jagged jolt
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I don't really need the radio or use Z-Wave, I did notice the Bluetooth integration failed because it was still referencing the old hardware but I just set it up again

sonic remnant
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I wonder if there will be updated Yellow to support faster pcie-bus of the CM5

sullen umbra
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If I get the schematics right, the PCIe slot is connected directly to the CM4/5. So it might already be faster.

jagged jolt
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Looks like mine is running PCIe 2.0 x1 currently, which makes sense since I didn't change the firmware config

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And changing the config to allow PCIe Gen 3 did change the reporting to 8 GT/s

sonic remnant
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Do I need to pick the CM5 with eMMC or can I solely rely on m.2 ssd?

jagged jolt
jagged jolt
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It's getting pretty toasty though

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I wonder if I should play with using the CM5 heatsink rather than the one from the yellow

sullen umbra
sullen umbra
jagged jolt
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True

sullen umbra
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If I remember right, a Yellow user from Australia created a 3D printed case with a fan for cooling. But in my opinion, it would ruin the look and feel (no fan noise).

sullen umbra
jagged jolt
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Ah, well currently It's doing fine so guess I'll just let it run a little hot, maybe look into a small undervolt if it starts acting up

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I tried updating to 14.0 stable, but after the reboot the yellow is just stuck with a solid green LED

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Any idea what that would be? Or should I just reflash now the stable version is out?

sullen umbra
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There is no stable 14.0 yet

jagged jolt
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Oh I just saw the GitHub release, didn't realize those weren't connected

sullen umbra
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It should be promoted soon.

drifting spindle
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*** hurriedly makes a backup in preparation for update ***

olive escarp
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I'm having issues accessing my CM5 Yellow with NVME

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I've chosen the emmc as boot drive and it's got an IP but when to do http://ip:8123

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it doesn't connect

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I can't ping it

olive escarp
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The trick was to download and flash with the haos_yellow-14.0.img from the github releases page

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