#HA Green + ZBT-1: Compatibility with ZigBee, Matter & Thread simultaniously

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clever python
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Hi Community,
I'm new to HA and this community, so I hope I found the correct channel for my question 🙏🏼 .
I'm currently running my flat with a lot of (friends of) Hues + Bridge. My plan has been to wait for Matter & Thread to take off and then upgrade to Matter & Thread and add heating smart home stuff (thermostats, window contacts, ...). I also want to use my programming skills in the future to add some more sophisticated automation, perhaps. But priority to me is, that the smart home is reliable.
Since the adaption Matter takes a long time, I'm leaning towards a HA Green + ZBT-1. I found out, that the ZBT-1 was able to do a dual stack operation (Thread & ZigBee), but it has been discontinued. Searching yields a lot of old or outdated information, so I hope you can help 😃 .
TLDR:

  1. Is it possible to add two ZBT-1 to a HA Green to run a ZigBee AND Thread Network at the same time?
  2. Would the HA Green be able to run as a Thread Border Router? As far as I understand this, yes. Right? https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/thread/
  3. How is the experience with migrating Hue from the Bridge to HA? This seems quiet "hacky" to me as a new user. https://community.home-assistant.io/t/migrating-from-a-philips-hue-bridge-to-the-zha-zigbee-home-automation-integration/620862
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sharp turret
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Do not use the Multiprotocol firmware/the dual-stack feature.
It is experimental, has issues and development is frozen.
If you want to use Zigbee and Thread, use two seperate radio sticks (like the ZBT-1, which will be available again soon).

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As said, you can use two sticks - each dedicated to one protocol.

clever python
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Great! I hoped for this feature, but wasn't able to find the information anywhere 🙏🏼 . Perhaps it would be great to add this bit to the news page of the discontinuation of the dual-stack firmware? 🤔

sharp turret
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It is not discontinued (yet), development has just been frozen due to some issues.
But it might be at some point.

clever python
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I guess this is the typical "hen and egg problem". Thread support is not great / high prio, because there are only so few devices. There are only so few devices, because thread support is not great. 😢

jolly falcon
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Thread is very high priority! It just isn't recommended to run multiprotocol. The receive sensitivity degrades when you force the radio to constantly hop between two channels and the firmware for it is just not very stable. You'll have a much more pleasant time with two separate sticks.

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As for Hue migration, there really isn't any way to migrate. You reset your devices and join them anew to your new Zigbee network.

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(You technically could sniff the Hue network info and steal the Hue hub's network but it's a permanent operation, you would have to fully reset the Hue hub afterwards to make sure it doesn't collide with your HA network if it's ever turned back on)