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hoary lichen Sep 20, 2024, 7:09 PM

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https://eu.protectli.com/product/fw2b/ is enough to run everything what I could want?

if not, then https://eu.protectli.com/product/fw4b/ ?

if not then https://eu.protectli.com/product/vp2410/ ?

I plan to have dedicated server for HA. 6 or more cameras (I assume I will need separate server to for detection / recognition - unless I don't need), 30 devices.

PS I want protectli, because I already have 1 server and these are without fan which is important for me. So let's stick protecli unless there is good reason to not.

Protectli

Protectli Vault FW2B - 2 Port Intel® J3060 - Protectli US

FW2B: 2-Port firewall micro appliance/mini PC, built to run open-source software. Includes US-based support & 30-day money back guarantee.

Protectli

Protectli Vault FW4B - 4 Port Intel® J3160 - Protectli US Store

FW4B: 4-Port firewall micro appliance/mini PC, built to run open-source software. Includes US-based support & 30-day money back guarantee.

Protectli

Protectli Vault Pro VP2410 - 4 Port Intel® J4125 - Protectli US Store

VP2410: 4-Port firewall micro appliance/mini PC, built to run open-source software. Includes US-based support & 30-day money back guarantee.

drowsy thistle Mar 2, 2025, 5:44 AM

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Go figure, I found this thread.... not sure how to get attention to threads.... 😕 Seems like a flaw of this method of channel organization.

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I'm wondering about the VP3210 – 2 Port Intel N100 myself

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I also have a ProtectLi already and like them as a vendor so far.

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ah HA

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this makes so much more sense

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The FW2B that is. I wanted to customize amount of ram but newer version is soldered on. I'm innnnnterested 😄

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I'm running HAOS in a VM on my Synology atm which has
2 CPU's (from a Intel Celeron J4125)
2GB RAM
100GB Drive

And this is average usage on the past 5m:

wise path Mar 2, 2025, 5:59 AM

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I followed this thread and forgot about it. I probably couldn't answer at the time. Anyways, what's the question exactly?

drowsy thistle Mar 2, 2025, 6:00 AM

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So I'd say the FW2B is prolly the best deal and should be speedy enough?

wise path Mar 2, 2025, 6:00 AM

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I would strongly recommend against aJ3060.

drowsy thistle Mar 2, 2025, 6:01 AM

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Oh?

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I wonder if I'm not experiencing any issues with the CPU because it's virtualized on that line of CPU's

wise path Mar 2, 2025, 6:02 AM

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It has just two cores and is extremely slow: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/2852vs3667vs4297vs5157/Intel-Celeron-J3060-vs-Intel-Celeron-J4125-vs-BCM2711-vs-Intel-N100
Like slower than a pi slow.

drowsy thistle Mar 2, 2025, 6:02 AM

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oh dayum

wise path Mar 2, 2025, 6:03 AM

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This is a pi 4 for example:

drowsy thistle Mar 2, 2025, 6:03 AM

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hah, the 4125 is the same cpu my synology uses

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Just realized

wise path Mar 2, 2025, 6:03 AM

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It's why I added it to the comparison list.

drowsy thistle Mar 2, 2025, 6:03 AM

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yeah, I realize that now 😄

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Oooh, that N100 tho

wise path Mar 2, 2025, 6:05 AM

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It just kinda depends what your plans are for the future.
Do you want to add PCI(e) card or add a big HDD or replace the CPU at some point? If yes buy a used (U)SFF PC off of eBay. Otherwise if you want something small and perhaps fanless N100 PCs are quite cheap to be had from aliexpress.

drowsy thistle Mar 2, 2025, 6:05 AM

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Wait, how the hell

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N100 Base clock is .7GHz?!?!

wise path Mar 2, 2025, 6:06 AM

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I don't see a problem with that.

drowsy thistle Mar 2, 2025, 6:06 AM

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Ahhhhh Mobile/Embedded, huh, how weird

wise path Mar 2, 2025, 6:08 AM

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I would also recommend you to keep virtualizing: https://gist.github.com/Impact123/c23c36eafe1672ec056233e450a86ae2

drowsy thistle Mar 2, 2025, 6:08 AM

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I mean, if I was able to use all 4 CPU's and quad my ram AND throw a 1TB drive in, I think I'd be golden

drowsy thistle Mar 2, 2025, 6:08 AM

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wise path I would also recommend you to keep virtualizing: <https://gist.github.com/Impact...

Yeaaaahhh, I know about the benefits in that way.

wise path Mar 2, 2025, 6:09 AM

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I'd look for a Mini PC with a NVMe slot for the OS and a 2.5 SATA option for the rest in this case.
Ones with multiple NVMe slots will not be that cheap I'm afraid.

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I used to use SFF PCs like these for a while and was quite happy with them. Can be had for 50 in my area.

drowsy thistle Mar 2, 2025, 6:10 AM

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yeah, I've heard of finding those, but just don't exactly know where to go to find them lol, people often talk about companies throwing them away, but no idea how to find those

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Also bah, guess it's time to finally learn proxmox, though I THINK Broadcom made esxi free IIRC

wise path Mar 2, 2025, 6:11 AM

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I just go into eBay's Computer category, limit by price and browse around.

drowsy thistle Mar 2, 2025, 6:12 AM

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My first go around proxmox just wouldn't work right, and it was a headflip compared to what I was used to with esxi hah. I want to say I wasn't able to manage to boot a vm with a .iso attached from storage local to proxmox

wise path Mar 2, 2025, 6:12 AM

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And about power consumption:

drowsy thistle Mar 2, 2025, 6:13 AM

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Yeah I figured 😄

wise path Mar 2, 2025, 6:13 AM

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There's a official forum, a unofficial discord server and you can also ping me. I'm sure that will not be a problem to solve.

drowsy thistle Mar 2, 2025, 6:14 AM

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🙂 Well thanks for the tips! I may just go for a bigger protectli and do other vm's too

drowsy thistle Mar 4, 2025, 2:26 AM

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Ended up going with the VP3230 – 2 Port Intel N305 and will have xcp-ng pre-installed for virtualization. We'll see how this goes!

wise path Mar 4, 2025, 3:11 AM

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Oof that's expensive. I would have gone with PVE but yeah that should do.

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