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tender heart Oct 5, 2023, 2:52 PM

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@cosmic yacht yeah all the kasa devices are integrated in HA. I'd rather do these integrations/automations/whatever-its-called inside HA as I may have a mix of different vendors in the future. right now I just have a handful of Kasa switches/plugs.

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(started a thread because I might have a bunch more questions as this is the first real "customization" I'm doing in HA)

cosmic yacht Oct 5, 2023, 2:53 PM

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Then if you want to create an automation when your sensor goes off, go to Setting, automation, create new
For trigger pick State.

Inside the trigger

Entity: Your motion sensor (It should be a binary_sensor like detected or cleared basically)
And for "to" (meaning a change of state to a new state) pick "off" or "Clear"

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That basically

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This will trigger when your sensor goes off..

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Then put everything you want in the "Action" part of the automation

tender heart Oct 5, 2023, 2:57 PM

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For the action should I trigger a "scene"?

cosmic yacht Oct 5, 2023, 2:59 PM

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Depends what you want to do

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Entirely up to you

tender heart Oct 5, 2023, 3:00 PM

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So, I took a screenshot but I can't see how to attach (this discord is different?)

cosmic yacht Oct 5, 2023, 3:00 PM

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You said "I'd like to turn on more lights when that sensor goes off."
I would start by picking "Call Service" as action
Then "Light: Turn on"
And pick your light

tender heart Oct 5, 2023, 3:01 PM

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(I think attachments might not work becasue I'm new to the server)

cosmic yacht Oct 5, 2023, 3:01 PM

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Correct

tender heart Oct 5, 2023, 3:01 PM

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So, what I did was create an automation with a trigger of "patio turning on" that actions "turn on other light"

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I'd like to do the same thing when the sensor turns off... do I need a second action for that?

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err automation

cosmic yacht Oct 5, 2023, 3:02 PM

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Send me your automation by doing the floowing: Top of the screen (Top Right) click on the "three dots"
Then Edit in YAML

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And send me the blob of text

tender heart Oct 5, 2023, 3:02 PM

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alias: backyard-motion
description: Turn on both patio and string lights when there is motion on the patio.
trigger:
  - platform: state
    entity_id:
      - light.switch_patio
    to: "on"
condition: []
action:
  - type: turn_on
    device_id: 65b54b65b3009ffb402620a01acd6950
    entity_id: 7f153d26fdcebb53179b00b475e593ce
    domain: light
    brightness_pct: 100
mode: single

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hrmm, I'd like for that to use an entity name instead of id, it'd be easier to read.

cosmic yacht Oct 5, 2023, 3:03 PM

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So .. I do not know exaclty all your devices, but your trigger is NOT ABOUT MOTION here

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IT's triggered when a specific light turning on

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Is that what you want?

tender heart Oct 5, 2023, 3:04 PM

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yeah, so, I don't think the kasa device exposes "motion"

cosmic yacht Oct 5, 2023, 3:05 PM

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ok, but this one "works" eg. it does what you wnat?

tender heart Oct 5, 2023, 3:05 PM

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is there a way to list the entity "states" or things it exposes?

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yeah, when I turn on the patio the other light turns on

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so it does the "on" portion how I'd expect

cosmic yacht Oct 5, 2023, 3:05 PM

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Exactly.. when** YOU** turn on the patio. expected

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But the "Motion" part.... does not work right?

tender heart Oct 5, 2023, 3:06 PM

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yeah, I'm away from home, I'll see when I move in front of it in a little bit. I'd suspect it works the same though becasue the device doesn't expose a "motion" state, it just turns on or off based on motion or timeout

cosmic yacht Oct 5, 2023, 3:06 PM

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Aaaaah ok ok I see
Sorry it's always the same thing when helping users, devices are different

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So this light.switch_patio is actually alrady motion triggered

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And you use the state of the light as a proxy for motion.

tender heart Oct 5, 2023, 3:07 PM

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yeah, its independently (in its own software) motion triggered, and HA "sees" the state of on/off

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yeah, you've got it

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I would attach a screenshot of the entity if I could

cosmic yacht Oct 5, 2023, 3:07 PM

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ok/ And you're ok with that.. meaning that patio light will always be driven by motion

tender heart Oct 5, 2023, 3:08 PM

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yeah, it also has a physical trigger that can be pressed

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so basically I'm attempting to "slave" the state of the patio lights "on" or "off" to another entity that I want to mirror that same state

cosmic yacht Oct 5, 2023, 3:09 PM

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👍 All clear, now I can answer your questions 🙂

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So YES. Two automations
ONe for turning on, one for turning off

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Note that it's not the only way.. it's the simplest way for a beginner

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LAter on you will leanr how to create complex automation that does different thgins based on diffenret triggers

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But you can definitly start by just 2 automations.

When patio turns on : Turn on other stuff
When pation turns off: Turn off other stuff

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Aaand that's it

tender heart Oct 5, 2023, 3:11 PM

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ok so that makes sense, easy to do, what is the more compelx method

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I guess, can I use a condition to govern the action?

cosmic yacht Oct 5, 2023, 3:12 PM

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I can show you the more complex part

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Gimme a sec

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You can paste this into a new automation.
Do the same process.
Go in "YAML mode"
Paste this
And then go back in "Visual Editor" mode

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alias: backyard-motion
description: Turn on and off lights based on Patio state
trigger:
  - platform: state
    entity_id:
      - light.switch_patio
    to: "on"
    id: motion_triggered
  - platform: state
    entity_id:
      - light.switch_patio
    to: "off"
    id: motion_cleared
condition: []
action:
  - choose:
      - conditions:
          - condition: trigger
            id:
              - motion_triggered
        sequence:
          - type: turn_on
            device_id: 65b54b65b3009ffb402620a01acd6950
            entity_id: 7f153d26fdcebb53179b00b475e593ce
            domain: light
            brightness_pct: 100
      - conditions:
          - condition: trigger
            id:
              - motion_cleared
        sequence:
          - type: turn_off
            device_id: 65b54b65b3009ffb402620a01acd6950
            entity_id: 7f153d26fdcebb53179b00b475e593ce
            domain: light
mode: single

tender heart Oct 5, 2023, 3:14 PM

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(one sec switching to moving home) will attempt in about 15 minutes.

cosmic yacht Oct 5, 2023, 3:15 PM

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Basically I am combining the two, with a few complexity (But nothing too complex neither)

For each trigger I am defining an id motion_triggered or motion_cleared
Then the action is a new bloc called choose when depending on the trigger that triggered the automation (either motion_triggered or motion_cleared) I do different stuff (Turning on or off)

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NOte that I litteraly created this manually with your device names... so chances are it;s not going to work, but the structure is here.

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