#Zen76 associations

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ancient tiger
lost furnace
ancient tiger
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ohh I think I may know what's wrong

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Those devices support the newest version of the (Multi channel Association CC. This makes it so the driver checks if the target node's security class is one of the sending node's security classes.
In your case both are insecure, but the check doesn't consider no security. So that check is negative, although the association should be allowed.

ancient tiger
lost furnace
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awesome, thank you

tame sorrel
lost furnace
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I started off trying to add a zen34 which is what led me to try to just do 2 zen76's together, to take the whole sleeping device out of the equation. My setup is old and the no security is a remnant of that and the fact I live in the middle of nowhere, I'm not worried about someone sniffing zwave packets.

tame sorrel
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Same. Hoping minimize potential issues with no security. I tried with some other switches and had hit or miss results I couldn’t make sense of. Ultimately was able to (slowly) set it up with zwave pc controller - excellent reminder how much I appreciate nice interface and ease of use in zwavejs

digital whale
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Just noting I'm likely encountering the same issue
Happened on my Zen34
Which I then tested with my Zen77's

I use no security on these since they're just lights
Just @me if you need additional logs from me

ancient tiger
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issue is already fixed and released. it all depends on the release being picked up

lost furnace
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Did this make it into the the latest release? I'm still having the same error

zwave-js: 11.5.0
home id: 4056066524
home hex: 0xf1c2a9dc```
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did a docker compose pull about an hour ago

ancient tiger
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I forgot to merge. The fix is in 11.5.1, which Z-UI will pick up tomorrow morning

lost furnace
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right on, just making sure. Thanks

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I didn't see it in the release notes was the only reason I was wondering

woeful dawn
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will this allow s2 authenticated switches to associate with s2 unauthenticated plugs?

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or is that just something that isn't possible

ancient tiger
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This is allowed in one direction, if

  • the source switch has both authenticated and Unauthenticated
  • and it supports association cc v4 and/Or multi channel association v3, where it is required to learn the target's security classes before sending a command
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In practice you'll probably have to try it out

woeful dawn
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that's what i was aiming for, as the switch inside my garage is a zen71 700 series added in s2 authenticated, but the plugin module that runs the relay to open my garage door is only s2 unauthenticated

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so my goal is to have the switch be able to open the door via association by turning on the switch that runs the relay, so i can open it from the other side of the garage from where the actual button is

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but when i tried this late last year it wouldn't work. it's entirely possible i had set it up wrong though

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i can (and have) set it up to work via scene control, but i'd like to be able to have it work if HA is down so associations would be more bulletproof

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i'm also planning to eventually replace that with two ZEN32s so i can have control of the light too via both sides of the garage, but that's a different discussion for another day since i don't have those in place right now

ancient tiger
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it should work if you re-include the zen71 with unauthenticated. there's not really an upside to having authenticated, unless you have reasons not to be sure you're including the correct device (e.g. if you suspect an attacker trying to sneak a device into your network)

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the only difference is that you're entering a PIN and the device gets a different key

woeful dawn
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how can i add it as unauth? i asked zooz support and they said it can only run as s2 auth but not s2 unauth

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if there's a way to do it though i'm open to that

ancient tiger
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let me check

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when I scan the QR code on mine, it says that it will request both Auth and Unauth

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so it's just a matter of unchecking Authenticated when including. In HA this is hidden behind "How do you want to add your device" in the add device dialog

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not sure right now if SmartStart lets you choose

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but you definitely can in Z-Wave JS UI

woeful dawn