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clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 2:50 PM

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We never had smart, they just heated all day and night

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Because power costs nothing

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 2:51 PM

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yeah, the smart thing came because power costs went up. i used to open a window as a valve when I was a kid during the winter when they heated the apartment to sauna

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should have automated that I guess

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 2:51 PM

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These days we have heat pumps in most major areas, so I have one in every living room and we do electric ovens in the bedrooms for the winter, that's about it

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I have two portable electric ovens just in case, and a fireplace that we use if it creeps below-25c

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 2:52 PM

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the level of insulation and all the best modern and practices has gone up tremendously also

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 2:56 PM

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I found some cheap electric dampers on ebay. Thinking of buying those to channel my central hvac to specific rooms based on temp readings in those rooms. My house is extremely unbalanced as it is now. One room feels like the surface of the sun, while another has a layer of permafrost beneath the carpet.

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 2:57 PM

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Just the way I like it

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I prefer 23c in the living room

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And 12c in the bedroom

deft pewter Nov 17, 2020, 2:57 PM

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Okay, Olaf

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 2:57 PM

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⛄

inner vault Nov 17, 2020, 2:59 PM

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my current house was built in 1950 when heating oil cost like $0.02/litre 😦 it's insulated for shit

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Think our electricity price went up recently

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To $0.004 per kwh

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🤣

inner vault Nov 17, 2020, 3:01 PM

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damn, I thought QC had cheap electricity

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 3:01 PM

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$0.11 per kwh... yay murica

inner vault Nov 17, 2020, 3:04 PM

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I'm sure I talked about it a bunch here, I've got a dual system with heating oil and electricity, it uses an electric furnace boiler unless it goes below -12°c then it flips to oil furnace to reduce strain on the grid during peak usage. I pay $0.04/kwh unless its colder than -12°c then I pay $0.26/kwh - but normal non-dual electricity costs $0.06/kwh for the first 40kwh/week then $0.09/kwh for everything above that usage - my cost doesn't change with usage, only temperature.

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:13 PM

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@clear ferry but what do you end up paying on the bill? here at least all the other fees are much larger, so it's even pointless to discuss kwh price

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:14 PM

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We have lease as well, which is $0.03 per kwh, but the state is considering removing that because the power companies make too much money

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:14 PM

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hope you don't live in california lol

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:15 PM

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No, Norway

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:15 PM

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yeah I remember

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it was a joke.. about their blackouts

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:15 PM

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85% hydro or what not 🤣

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:15 PM

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bad joke I guess

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:15 PM

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We are expecting more than usual blackouts this winter

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:15 PM

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damn, blessed with hydro AND oil... sigh

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Because everyone is working from home

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:16 PM

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really? I'm surprised you even have blackouts at all

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:17 PM

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On average I see... An hour a year

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:17 PM

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I might buy some more UPS'

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:17 PM

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But some winters we have very cold temperatures, then it can get pretty loaded, and if we have a tree fall over the power line in the middle of the snowy forest, we might have a day outage

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:17 PM

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I got about thirty minutes of run time at the moment

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:18 PM

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I use my ups to take the 2 Second blinks I see once every 4 months

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Yeah, same

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Our power grid is pretty good to where it's usually only put for a second if at all

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:20 PM

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damn, anyone working in energy sector can tell me why I can't remember a single blackout for the past... 20 yrs. i live in estonia, it's not excatly a wealthy country.

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:20 PM

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If power goes out, they send hundreds of utility people to fix shit asap

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:20 PM

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i have had home servers with insane uptimes, no ups

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Do you get weather? I had a line down on the 15th right in front of my house because of 50 mph winds

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Phone line though :p

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Power company still is who you call though

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Phone lines? What is this? The 90s?

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:22 PM

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yeah we do have weather.... the only people affected by that are who live in places where they are surrounded by forests. usually single homes 50km from cities, old people live there.

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not american suburb style.

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:23 PM

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They should have just cut them like everyone else on the block

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Well out cities never go out either lol

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Our

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I'm not in a city

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Most of America is not in a suburb

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It is rural

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:24 PM

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well do you have people around you... like a mile radius or so

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:26 PM

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https://c.tenor.com/3T4iCi9Jo3AAAAAM/yes-excited.gif

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:26 PM

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I meant bigger city but yes. I'm in a town

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:27 PM

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we probably consider it a city here 😉

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Then what is the definition of a town, here it would be anywhere with 20k people or more

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:27 PM

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depends on country

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Anything else is not considered a town here

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:28 PM

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I think the town I live in actually got a city certification

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It's a big city now

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10k people I think

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Yep. We are a city

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylorville,_Illinois

Taylorville, Illinois

Taylorville is a city in and the county seat of Christian County, Illinois, United States. The population was 11,246 at the 2010 census, making it the county's largest city.

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Where's zed?

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 3:29 PM

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my city was a town at <20k a year ago

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:29 PM

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smallest "city" here is 1500... pretty sure they never get blackouts

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Yall get tornadoes?

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Lol

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 3:30 PM

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I am in Texas... tornado sirens are a thing here

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:30 PM

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noup, tornado is very american thing for me.. we do get these cold waves that can freeze the lines but as I said its a problem for people living in vast wilderness

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:30 PM

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https://youtu.be/FNDKi9ZkCNQ

YouTube

Kevin Lighty

Drone video of Taylorville, IL tornado damage

▶ Play video

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:30 PM

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would love to see one with my eyes, all these videos are fascinating

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Well this is my town and this is why our power goes out

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Well it isn't very exciting when you are in it

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:31 PM

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that sounds a reasonable excuse

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well true, not when your home gets destroyed

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but you also have timber framed house so...

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 3:32 PM

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I saw the one that hit Dallas in 98 or 99, destroying the Bank One building, with my own eyes. I would describe my emotion at the time as terrified, not excited lol

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Yeah, you are in a different environment. Everything is loud

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:33 PM

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destroyed meaning the glass coverings?

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Lots of air pressure

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We had houses wiped but they had utility people from all of the country here by morning. They had power to the entire city within a week

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We had power back on day 4 I think

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They replaced hundreds of poles

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:35 PM

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why don't they bury the lines in these tornado areas?

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 3:35 PM

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@midnight adder yes, all glass shattered, interior furnishings simply pulled out of the building by the air pressure difference

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:35 PM

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only cost reason or how often they get smashed

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Maintaining shit in the ground is expensive

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They do in deserts

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Sometimes

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They can replace a pole in a couple of hours but digging up the entire neighborhood would take a bit

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Like @night zodiac said, it's a cost thing. Around me, they only bury fiber, everything else is suspended

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My neighborhood has power buried, but only from the distro point to the homes. It comes to the neighborhood on giant steel towers

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:41 PM

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We have buried fiber here since the 00s for home consumers, up north I had to dig a deep hole due to permafrost

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But here in the south they just barely stick it under the ground

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:42 PM

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We just got fiber a few years ago

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I burried my fiber in carpet yesterday

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Still setting up new office

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📎 IMG_20201117_094307783.jpg

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Didn't want to catch the line so I ran it under the trim

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Just to my desk, lol

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:44 PM

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We've had fiber since 04

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Lucky you

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I'm happy to finally have it. 70 usd a month for gigabit

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:44 PM

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That aint to bad a price

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But is it capped?

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Unlimited

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Isp only covers two towns.

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:45 PM

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sounds like a reasonable price for NA

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Finally the us has caught up 🤣

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:45 PM

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They ran all new fiber and aren't reusing the other companies copper

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I'm hooked like right into cognent

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:45 PM

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We had capped for a few years, from 97-98 on ADSL, but that was it

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:46 PM

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I'm friends with the mother of the son that started the ISP

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:46 PM

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how big one

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:47 PM

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This isp is tiny

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Two towns

midnight adder Nov 17, 2020, 3:48 PM

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i ran "an isp" as as kid, sharing adsl between 5 apartments... didn't know what I was doing, just learned how to run cables and use a switch, somehow it somewhat worked. the expectations weren't very high at the time to begin with I guess.

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Haha, good time to start

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Business can grow with ya

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These Google home mini max screens are big

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Not mini

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Google home max

clever mortar Nov 17, 2020, 3:50 PM

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They're nice though 😄

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:51 PM

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📎 IMG_20201117_095107263.jpg

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:51 PM

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They don't even sell the max here

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Girlfriend decided to watch Futurama while making coffee

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:51 PM

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I wanted to go to the UK and buy one, but Corona

inner vault Nov 17, 2020, 3:52 PM

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I got my non-max hub when I was in the States before they came to Canada

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Can I send one to Norway lol

inner vault Nov 17, 2020, 3:52 PM

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I want a max, but wife does not see the benefits =\

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:52 PM

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My girl never goes until she is completely reliant on them

inner vault Nov 17, 2020, 3:53 PM

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moslty so my kid can duo call my parents without needing to use my phone lol

clever mortar Nov 17, 2020, 3:53 PM

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The Lenovo units have the same screen size, and a camera too. They're just not half as good as the Max IMO

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:53 PM

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My mother used hers a few weeks ago to call me. He phone, keys, and dog were locked in the car. She lives an hour from a town

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Luckily she had the Google home

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Her

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:54 PM

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We don't have calls on ours yet

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That would be handy

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But my daughter is two and can operate the iPad all by herself now

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So

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Skills

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I'm about to open up these. I bought to use with max

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📎 20201117_095505.jpg

last cedar Nov 17, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Playtime!

📎 DSC_1514.JPG

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:55 PM

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She still struggle with the apple TV remote, but she is getting there

inner vault Nov 17, 2020, 3:56 PM

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the ammount of dust in the same space as those servers makes me nervous haha

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:57 PM

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You should see the polish handymen drilling in datacenter drywall then

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smart

inner vault Nov 17, 2020, 3:57 PM

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twitches

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:57 PM

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I had to troubleshoot a server with random reboots once

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I was impressed i found the issue

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A single hair stretched across dimm slots blowing in the wind caused a short

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Hair is conductive enough for that? Lol

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:58 PM

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It seems so

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Nice

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Hardware seems hard

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Might have been something else

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Faux or something

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But appeared to be hair

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Hardware is easy, I can troubleshoot anything from a laptop to a 5 rack storage system

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Holy fuck. The magnets on these nest cams are intense

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 4:00 PM

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But don't ask me to add something to python code

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:00 PM

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I meant making the hardware, lol

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 4:00 PM

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🤣

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Maybe you mean the same

deft pewter Nov 17, 2020, 4:00 PM

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But don't ask me to add something to python code
@clear ferry Don't ask me either.

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Make it so number two

deft pewter Nov 17, 2020, 4:00 PM

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💩

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Python can get out of here with its "indentation as part of syntax" nonsense

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:01 PM

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I don't write a ton of python but I like using it most of the time

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 4:01 PM

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I can read almost any code, just not make code

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:01 PM

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I have to write a lot of pawn so I already have something to hate

clever mortar Nov 17, 2020, 4:01 PM

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At least it's more readable than Perl...

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Idk if any of yall know pawn, lol

clever mortar Nov 17, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Mind you, anything up to and including ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs is more readable than Perl...

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 4:02 PM

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PAWN STARS

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:02 PM

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It's a c like language

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 4:03 PM

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I mostly stick to C#, which feels pretty cozy

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 4:03 PM

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https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/152/229/Machinecode003.jpg

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:04 PM

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I write typescript or Js for work. Python for hobby automation, source pawn for game servers

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C# is a perty language

deft pewter Nov 17, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Almost purely JS here. And I'm struggling with Python today 😄

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:05 PM

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If I were to need more performance, I'd probably play with Go for fun

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 4:05 PM

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I've written stuff in Python... Heck I wrote a python GPIO library for Rock64 SBCs

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Still not a language I particularly enjoy

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:05 PM

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There is this library called fabric that I love to use in python. It's just a few function call but it's like ansible with python as the scripts

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Something like that

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Yeah, I wish it had hoisting but oh well, lol

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 4:06 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/bender-futurama-gif-10391830

Tenor

with blackjack and hookers

▶ Play video

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Haha

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Also turns out that Python is kinda shit as a GPIO library, in that it's too slow for bitbanging

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Mmmmm

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Bit banging

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I love that it sounds like a digital fetish

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Enough bits and you'll have a byte bang

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 4:11 PM

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I hardly can hold my laughter when the network guys start dabbling about penetration testing

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Or the sales people with their market penetration

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 4:13 PM

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@clear ferry just means defining a data bus in software, rather than having dedicated hardware

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 4:14 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/tired-sleepy-exhausted-working-work-gif-7995639

Tenor

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Software

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🤣

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:21 PM

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I'm dumb. I did not label the ssds that go with my pis

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When moving

hearty depot Nov 17, 2020, 4:29 PM

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@night zodiac is that a nest hub? or do I look to into a wrong product?

turbid stirrup Nov 17, 2020, 4:30 PM

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I hardly can hold my laughter when the network guys start dabbling about penetration testing
@clear ferry what about our bondage warehouse?

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:30 PM

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It is nest hub max

hearty depot Nov 17, 2020, 4:31 PM

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god deam cheap for speakerdisplayisch

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90€ is not what I was expecting

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Mine was the big one

hearty depot Nov 17, 2020, 4:33 PM

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ah I see, they only selling the small one in 🇦🇹 then

clever mortar Nov 17, 2020, 4:34 PM

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I've got a handful (3 I think) of the little ones and a Max, along with the larger Lenovo.

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The screens on the Google/Nest units are way better than the Lenovo ones

last cedar Nov 17, 2020, 4:34 PM

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The 1U unit pulls under 24W. UPS kept saying 0% load, 0W, then 24W, 1%. Seems like it cycles. Was quiet enough to run at router, no need to rebuilt it into 2U. Just need to get my hands on rails and rack ears

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E3 1220 V3 16GB RAM

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:35 PM

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I was dumb yesterday wondering why my UPS wasn't working and I had my pdu plugged into the surge protector section of the UPS instead of battery backup

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Moving has been exhausting

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I was plugging it into the back blindly though

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I yoinked the outlet from the wall to untangle it around the fiber and heard my servers all drain of power

last cedar Nov 17, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Oh no

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And that feeling where your stomach falls out of you

clever mortar Nov 17, 2020, 4:38 PM

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I've been in a DC when the wrong switch was thrown... that was worse 😄

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Haha, just the DNS, unms, and unifi server at the time.

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I need to move it to a pi

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Big dumb machine my dad gave me from his work that a pi would do fine

last cedar Nov 17, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Or a switchroom. The last flash you ever see 😂

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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📎 IMG_20201117_103859702.jpg

last cedar Nov 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Maybe check out a NUC?

clever mortar Nov 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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You joke, a previous colleague of mine had tales like that...

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I have. Pis will be fine for everything I need. I don't need any umph

last cedar Nov 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Pis can be a bit awkward for some things

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Okay. Well as long as you are happy

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I run all of mine off of ssds and they are fine.

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Now to figure out which ssd goes with which pi

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Are the ones with more data heavier?

clever mortar Nov 17, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Yes

last cedar Nov 17, 2020, 4:40 PM

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@clever mortar I have been in some of the rooms with big transformers and wooden beams over the door. Not really fun. Just to inspect stuff. Scary

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:41 PM

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1s are probably heavier because 0s have holes in them

last cedar Nov 17, 2020, 4:41 PM

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And some switch rooms are a bit scary too, funny smells

clever mortar Nov 17, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Aye

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Serious voltages are "not joking around"

last cedar Nov 17, 2020, 4:42 PM

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The ones in their own rooms were 12kV

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We have magnet sensors on the doors. I confess I opened the door very carefully

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Other was a smoke detektor above a transformer. I was glad I didn't have to change it!

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I don't have enough PPE to do anything more than open the door and peer in at an angle

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Electricity is fun. Then you die

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I would actually like to work with higher voltages tbh. Looking for possible distance learning.

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Tested my new to me 920SQ psu at work, that is working. So I am good to go, can start building my router. Just need rails and ears. Question is, should I move to PFsense for better documentation and bigger community, or stay OPNsense :P

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Fuck it. I'm just going to format the ssds and redo things.

dull belfry Nov 17, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Oh boy, I feel like I'm asking too much here 😅

last cedar Nov 17, 2020, 5:04 PM

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@night zodiac good luck!

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@dull belfry what were you wondering?

dull belfry Nov 17, 2020, 5:05 PM

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I was wondering about something that I haven't tried yet hehe

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I am going to place the URL of the camera streem in a Telegram notification

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I don't think Android can open RTSP url's but I could just use http stream from motion eye

narrow jewel Nov 17, 2020, 5:08 PM

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I want to get a few colored lights around the house. Anyone have a reccomendation for a good model that isnt expensive?

dull belfry Nov 17, 2020, 5:10 PM

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It really depends on your needs Jeff

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Do you want to light to be wifi operated, zigbee or z-wave

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Personally, I'm going to buy tradfri lights

last cedar Nov 17, 2020, 5:16 PM

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I have trådfri white dimmable and coloured lamps, both e14 and e27. Outlets, controllers and on off switches.

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The switches and controllers seem to lose pairing when the battery runs out.

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And the gateway sometimes stops talking to HA (about once every 3 months)

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Other than that, it works well

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I made a battery % check panel in HA so I replace it before it dies (to not have to repair)

inner vault Nov 17, 2020, 5:20 PM

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I use tradri lights and transformers paired to a HUSBZB-1 works great, no more hub and they now support OTA updates direct from HA

last cedar Nov 17, 2020, 6:17 PM

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I think I will move to a usb stick that HA supports when I rebuild my hypervisor

narrow jewel Nov 17, 2020, 6:19 PM

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i have some hues left over from the early days, but i have move almost exclusively to smart switches

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i just want to have about 3-5 colored lights around to use for notifications or just to play with

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i think i would prefer hubless at this point

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i sorta wanna try out the tuya stuff but im not surewere to start

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 6:42 PM

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My dome doesn't fit over my lights. :(

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📎 IMG_20201117_124229044.jpg

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Fatties

inner vault Nov 17, 2020, 6:53 PM

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I went with lutron switches, so I've still got a hub there =\

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but with the pro hub it's all local ssh/telnet control

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and I trust lutron more than generic amazon wifi stuff for anything that's hardwired into my house 🙂

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 6:56 PM

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This ^

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 7:24 PM

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When you thought you were done recording dvds a few years ago, and suddenly UNIX says NO

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spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Can you still buy DVD media? ponder

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 8:18 PM

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I think the ISP accidentally set me up with 100mbps instead of 1000

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 8:20 PM

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I was worried I couldn't@spark orchid

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Needed dual layer too

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But got a 5 pack for $15

clever mortar Nov 17, 2020, 8:21 PM

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@night zodiac Or you have the problem I had, where it turned out the network cable supplied only had 2 pairs wired, not all 4... which limits it to 100 Mb

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 8:21 PM

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Still remember buying CDR media for $25 each back in 97

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@clever mortar 1000Base-TX Vs 1000Base-T smart

clever mortar Nov 17, 2020, 8:22 PM

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More a why the hell would you do that folks 😛

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When in the last decade has making a cable like that made any sense 🤷

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 8:23 PM

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let me run a speed test from one of my servers

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hrmm

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 8:24 PM

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I still remember my first encounter with 1000TX back in the early 00s didn't understand why it didn't link up

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Especially since I split my cables in two

low harness Nov 17, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Seems youtube-dl is back. That's nice.

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 8:31 PM

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It might have been a keystone or something

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Idk, tried another port and we're good

tidal bronze Nov 17, 2020, 8:33 PM

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So zigbee adapter is larger than a pi4 🤔

📎 20201117_123307.jpg

night zodiac Nov 17, 2020, 8:34 PM

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haha

clever mortar Nov 17, 2020, 8:35 PM

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You need to 3d print some case for that

tidal bronze Nov 17, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Gotta compare range before I go all out. 😆 hopefully bigger is better.

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 8:47 PM

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That is a proper coordinator

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Welcome to the cool club

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 8:50 PM

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No external antenna support? 👀

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 8:50 PM

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ive always been annoyed people moving away from the DVD media like its a plague

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great for installation discs.

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not good for long term storage

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ive had so many usb loaders like rufus fuck up on me that i just burn a disc and im done wasting my time with a craptacular usb loader.

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 8:52 PM

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I'm still a little surprised that BluRay managed to replace DVD at all

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DVD9 disks have enough capacity to store a feature length 1080p movie with more efficient codecs like H.264

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And in fact, most BluRay players will play AVCHDDVD (which is effectively just a BluRay mastered onto a DVD)

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If you're wondering why a ton of scene releases are 8.7 GB h.264, this is why ^

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You can burn them directly to a DVD9 and play them in a BluRay player as if they were a normal BluRay video disc

deft pewter Nov 17, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Scene releases? You filthy pirate.

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 8:57 PM

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The extra capacity of BluRay is nice (especially now that 4k, 60 fps, HDR, and 3D releases are a thing), but none of that was relevant when BluRay won the format war

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 9:03 PM

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@subtle pasture antenna connector is on the other side

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Cc1352p2

deft pewter Nov 17, 2020, 9:12 PM

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(integration is a WIP now, atx)

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Oh lawd

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https://tenor.com/view/hair-orgasm-hairgasm-scalp-massage-gif-12544702

Tenor

deft pewter Nov 17, 2020, 9:16 PM

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It's hard work. I hate OAuth

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Could probably have it done already if it wasn't all delegated permissions and the client authing on behalf of the user 😠

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Just waiting for some more tips from the boffins in the dev channels to get me unstuck.

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Damn boffins

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https://tenor.com/view/split-tongue-snapchat-big-mouth-filter-gif-13995216

Tenor

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That was the first gif for boffins

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👀

last dirge Nov 17, 2020, 9:21 PM

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B I F U R C A T I O N

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 9:21 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/brian-kfc-teen-gif-9790739

Tenor

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 9:29 PM

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@subtle pasture Bluray won because Sony had more money to spend on the war. The format could have had less capacity than DVD9 and would still have won due to their market clout

inner vault Nov 17, 2020, 9:30 PM

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porn

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 9:30 PM

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BluRay won because of Disney and the porn industry

inner vault Nov 17, 2020, 9:30 PM

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porn always wins

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Same reason VHS won-out over the technically-superior Betamax

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@inner vault The porn industry has led the way on pretty much every major format change. VHS, BluRay, and streaming.

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 9:35 PM

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I can't fit feature length, 3D porn, with an Atmos soundtrack on DVD9, so I am glad BluRay won

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 9:35 PM

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I mean, you can...

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But the bitrates will be low

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 9:35 PM

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ummm... I don't watch porn for little bits

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imagine the artifacts

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 9:36 PM

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You'd probably want to encode it in h.265 to get the most out of the limited capacity

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h.265 does better with low-bitrate than h.264

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But they're both FAR superior to MPEG2, which is what DVD9 was originally designed for, so...

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 9:38 PM

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the audio would still be a concern. 6+ channel soundtracks are big

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Between 2.5 and 4.2 GB just for the audio, yeah

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Depending on the bitrate and the length

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If we're talking TruHD-Atmos

young sigil Nov 17, 2020, 9:40 PM

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VHS won out because it could record twice as long and the players cost a third of the price. The porn industry just followed the consumer trend.

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 9:40 PM

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I will point out, back when BluRay won the format war, most BluRay disks just had plain AC3 or DTS audio

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So when it won, 4GB audio tracks weren't a concern either

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 9:42 PM

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I am aware, I just like interwebs fighting

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about obsolete technology

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and porn

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 9:42 PM

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@young sigil Sony did release higher capacity tapes eventually, but yeah, everything about betamax was expensive

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Storage media is actually proving to be an exercise in planned obsolescence

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 9:43 PM

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That said, it did get adopted for TV production due to its higher quality and superior tracking

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Tons of old TV masters are on betamax

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Tape delay for live broadcast? All on betamax

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 9:44 PM

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I just want my consumer grade quantum bit storage so we don't have to discuss capacities ever again

last dirge Nov 17, 2020, 9:44 PM

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but that's completely different than the betamax people had in their homes

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Not at first it wasn't, but yeah, now it is

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 9:44 PM

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I had a betamax player with a wired remote

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Sony eventually transitioned to digital betamax, which is a whole other thing

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 9:45 PM

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I could sit as far as 6 ft away from my 19" color television

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Anyone remember digital VHS tapes?

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720p/1080i recording onto a VHS tape...

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 9:45 PM

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This I do not recall

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Super-super early HD video market stuff

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 9:46 PM

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I was also not really a prosumer until the mid 00s

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mostly because I am poor

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not for lack of interest

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 9:46 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-VHS

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Tape honestly isn't a terrible format for long format linear-consumption media like movies, so a digital tape made some sense in 1998

tidal bronze Nov 17, 2020, 9:47 PM

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No external antenna support? 👀
@subtle pasture supports uf.l needs a small cap mod

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 9:50 PM

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That's why tape has survived so long for data archiving. If you aren't having to search and retrieve constantly, it is a great medium

subtle pasture Nov 17, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Yup, still works great as a backup medium, if you can afford the tape drive...

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Tapes are cheap, drives... not so much

spark orchid Nov 17, 2020, 9:55 PM

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My company's datacenter still has a first Gen Dell tape library that runs like new

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My mom's office still has someone swap a tape into their server every night when they leave for the day for recursive backups. I honestly don't know how they have never lost anything as the same desktop tower server stands there as when they opened in 2001-2

clever mortar Nov 17, 2020, 10:02 PM

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I have a second hand DAT (DDR-3) stacker that I used for years, replaced the tapes every so often. Eventually they just weren't large enough any more, but I suspect the drive still works... I may have to test it some day 😄

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 10:46 PM

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MODISC or bust

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 10:48 PM

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idk

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tapes can still be expensive

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https://tapeandmedia.com/hp-lto-8-tape-ultrium-tapes-q2078A.asp?gclid=Cj0KCQiAhs79BRD0ARIsAC6XpaU2oRAEWFjemprVAdk_NHkzPqDrIoyqKeXvLsAxnjfe1IBZaxI26KQaAl0cEALw_wcB

TapeandMedia.com

HPE LTO 8 Tape with Barium Ferrite (BaFe) Q2078A

Buy Hewlett Packard Enterprise LTO Ultrium 8 Tapes 12TB:30TB with 2.5:1 comp.|TapeandMedia.com Same Day Shipping, Low Prices, Great Service! Review HPE Q2078A

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 10:51 PM

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tape price per gb are cheap (compare to spinning rust), but you have to add the cost of that drive ! lto8 drive are crazy !

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 10:51 PM

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That is cheap for 30tb

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 10:51 PM

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$3k

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for the tape drive

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https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwiB-ZqV1YrtAhUE_eMHHeFQCssYABACGgJ5bQ&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESQeD2mIIiESEfXFBQ9cirGGveOfKIqE3nnQOFihPHYG21xSz5GhSfybz62d0nHiBGzBXGIsQYnB6LndU0b0uxgTYV&sig=AOD64_3y4JcFfIEKR89AusV31MzuR4-1Ig&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwjLrY6V1YrtAhUKcq0KHUcfBjYQ9aACegQIFxBE&adurl=

StoragePartsDirect.com

HPE BC022A LTO-8 Ultrium 30750 SAS-6G internal Tape Drive

HPE BC022A LTO-8 Ultrium 30750 12TB/30TB 300MBps 29pin SAS-6Gbps internal Tape Drive (Brand New with 3 Years Warranty), Buy BC022A, Wholesale BC022A, Price BC022A

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and thats the cheapest one i could find

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 10:52 PM

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12 @clear ferry ... 30 is the marketing value

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Compressed ;-)

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 10:52 PM

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and you gotta think,

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Which many customers do

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 10:52 PM

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those tapes fail

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and you aint getting a return on it after a couple of writes to it

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$85 a pop

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 10:53 PM

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Which many customers do
@clear ferry yea but my data is already compressed, so my volumetry won't be more compressed that what it already is

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 10:53 PM

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@bitter pawn https://buy.hpe.com/us/en/storage/tape-storage/tape-drives-ultrium/storeever-ultrium-tape-drives/hpe-storeever-lto-ultrium-tape-drives/hpe-storeever-lto-8-ultrium-30750-external-tape-drive/p/BC023A

HPE StoreEver LTO-8 Ultrium 30750 External Tape Drive | HPE Store US

HPE StoreEver LTO-8 Ultrium 30750 with SAS external tape drive

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 10:53 PM

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mine is still cheaper 😛

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 10:54 PM

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Tapes... Fail rarely, I can count probably 12 failed total of ... 10s of thousands I've swapped and maintained over the years

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 10:54 PM

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those tapes fail
@bitter pawn They don't fail a lot. we had aroud 2 tape fail per week, with 2500 tape running every day. so a full restock every 40Y

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 10:55 PM

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hmm

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 10:55 PM

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I've swapped the same tapes for close to 10 years in some sites

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 10:55 PM

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maybe i had a faulty drive i was working with

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we'd have a failure once every 3 months.

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thats with weekly cleanings to the drive.

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 10:55 PM

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Look at this guy

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 10:55 PM

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i wanna say it was an LT4

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 10:55 PM

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Cleaning drives

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 10:55 PM

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lolz

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i didnt do it

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 10:56 PM

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my company library did it for me :)

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 10:56 PM

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customer cleaned the drive with a special cassette.

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 10:56 PM

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Tbh, very few of my customers configure clean schedules or even buy cleaning cartridges

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Just get the drive replaced within five years anyway

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 10:57 PM

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ah

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yeah...it was like 6 years old when i was helping with the maintanence

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 10:57 PM

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you don't need it if you have 2 to 5 drive, but when you have 50 drive in a robot, reading and writing 24/7, you need those cleaning cycle

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 10:57 PM

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i worked on it for like 2 years.

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so you gotta think its 8+ years old at this point

brisk glen Nov 17, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Just got an Apple Watch 6 and everything just opens instantly

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 10:59 PM

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congrats?

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 10:59 PM

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i remember sitting in front of it looking at the 2 arms doing there dance 😍

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Just got an Apple Watch 6 and everything just opens instantly
@brisk glen
even if you dont want it to?

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everything just opens?

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😄

brisk glen Nov 17, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Lol

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 11:00 PM

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180kg robots moving very fast is fun @fiery sorrel

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 11:00 PM

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Just got an Apple Watch 6 and everything just opens instantly
@brisk glen i so with apple would some closing it's product to apple device only. Apple watch is legit better than any android wear ...

brisk glen Nov 17, 2020, 11:00 PM

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@bitter pawn it’s amazing how fast it has become in 5 years

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 11:00 PM

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180kg robots moving very fast is fun @fiery sorrel
@clear ferry yea ! as long as you are not in it's way

brisk glen Nov 17, 2020, 11:00 PM

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I had the old watch

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 11:01 PM

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if someone else is in the way it's extra fun !

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 11:01 PM

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@bitter pawn just wait until he charges his watch three times per day, then nothing opens

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 11:01 PM

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idk i was pretty happy with my fossil 3

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 11:02 PM

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my 4 Yo cheap android wear watch still hold over a day, but there is no good app, no good ui, and i don't use google assistant

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 11:02 PM

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definitely looks nicer than your apple watch

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js

brisk glen Nov 17, 2020, 11:02 PM

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Another outlet for home assistant voice control

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 11:02 PM

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they where a tweet about some dev for a wearos client of home assistant, i wonder where it's at

brisk glen Nov 17, 2020, 11:03 PM

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I love the solar dial face and info graph face on the watch

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And how I can automatically change the face depending on the time of day etc

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 11:04 PM

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https://twitter.com/hass_devs/status/1270788281295409157

Home Assistant Devs (@hass_devs)

👀

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Voice control 🤢

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Also I'll keep my 32 day battery life

brisk glen Nov 17, 2020, 11:05 PM

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I miss the pebble time

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7 day battery but colored eink

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Basic but perfect

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 11:05 PM

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https://github.com/home-assistant/android/pull/615#issuecomment-692053225 😢

GitHub

Support for Android Wear (a.k.a. Wear OS) · Pull Request #615 · hom...

Sorry for this huge PR, it was just an enormous undertaking to get this clean and production ready.
Fixes #556
Support
This PR offers support for Android Wear (a.k.a Wear OS) version 1 and 2. Runni...

brisk glen Nov 17, 2020, 11:08 PM

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Does google even update wearOS?

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 11:09 PM

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yea ! the last time 5 goblin danced around a living crocodile wraped in ham a night of blood moon ...
It was a good night...

deft pewter Nov 17, 2020, 11:09 PM

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What a waste of ham.

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 11:10 PM

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it was desert after the crocodile ate the goblins

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 11:10 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/gremlin-ugly-goblin-kiss-give-me-a-kiss-gif-11041993

Tenor

deft pewter Nov 17, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Awwwwww, it's Mrs atx.

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 11:11 PM

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You will treat your mother with respect young man

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https://tenor.com/view/despicableme-minion-kiss-mwah-gif-3573786

Tenor

Minion kiss

▶ Play video

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Does google even update wearOS?
@brisk glen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear_OS#Wear_OS

Wear OS

Wear OS (previously known as Android Wear) is a version of Google's Android operating system designed for smartwatches and other wearables. By pairing with mobile phones running Android version 6.0 or newer, or iOS version 10.0 or newer with limited support from Google's pairi...

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we should be hopping for something Fall 2020

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maybe

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eventualy

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some day

brisk glen Nov 17, 2020, 11:13 PM

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And do the devices even get the update?

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Lol

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 11:13 PM

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my 4Yo watch run the latest so yea pretty much, only the very first one got stuck until now

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my loved moto360 with the flat screen

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Atleast they don't get planned obsoleted 2 years after release like an apple product

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 11:14 PM

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or a samsung one

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. . .

brisk glen Nov 17, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Or LG

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Or.. those new one plus phones

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 11:14 PM

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LG it's not the same, the device break in 2Y

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no need to update it

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like my g3, g4 and g6

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my note 9 wont get android 11 ...

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fuuuuu* android honestely ... where is my pinephone

brisk glen Nov 17, 2020, 11:15 PM

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At least I get about 4-5 years of updates

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I have high hopes for the pinephone

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 11:16 PM

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if apple wasn't so evil, i would have bough an iphone years ago.

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for now i still refuse to

brisk glen Nov 17, 2020, 11:19 PM

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The new silicone watch bands are super confortable

deft pewter Nov 17, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Mmmm, silicone

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Silicone 🤢

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 11:21 PM

#

@clear ferry

📎 8188OrERNYL.png

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You didn't seam to good ;)

clear ferry Nov 17, 2020, 11:22 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/dry-heave-throw-up-vomit-gross-ew-gif-15987565

Tenor

fiery sorrel Nov 17, 2020, 11:23 PM

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it's 00:22 here, the last day of my work break ... and i've worked on some personal stuff all week ...

How does people manage to have a real break from working ...

hushed basalt Nov 17, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Long live tape

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 11:37 PM

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long live yer mom's tape

hushed basalt Nov 17, 2020, 11:37 PM

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For your cold storage disaster recovery it's hard to beat

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Just like your mum

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 11:37 PM

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yeah she does kick alot of ass. so it would be difficult to beat her.

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without getting stabbed

hushed basalt Nov 17, 2020, 11:38 PM

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There's a certain critical mass where tape makes sense

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But try putting a petabyte in glacier deep archive and retrieve it and see how much that hurts

bitter pawn Nov 17, 2020, 11:39 PM

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thats paint watching time

hushed basalt Nov 17, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Professional film sets will still wrangle data to tapes on set

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2 x raid arrays and 2 x LTO drives on the cart

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You can't really archive a hard drive

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Good luck getting it to spin back up in 5 years let alone 20

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Plus add in you can do WORM

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The only way your data could be maliciously destroyed is if the tapes where physically destroyed

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Or someone deletes all your keys YOLO

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So what should I study today. SQL, or AWS security

light trout Nov 17, 2020, 11:44 PM

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https://www.northernbrewer.com/blogs/new-to-brewing-start-here/how-to-brew-beer-homebrewing-101

hushed basalt Nov 17, 2020, 11:46 PM

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That won't help me get a job!

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Well not in tech

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Maybe at a brewery

light trout Nov 17, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Don't have to get a job if you can create one 😉

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https://habrewery.home.blog/author/twistedspokebrewing/ 🍺 + hass what not to love

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 3:40 AM

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interesting they didn't go with a PLC

scenic radish Nov 18, 2020, 4:21 AM

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some fresh OC for you guys

📎 POV-linux.png

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 4:34 AM

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alternatives woman

last cedar Nov 18, 2020, 4:46 AM

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You have to sudo it

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Works well

scenic radish Nov 18, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Yeah, Andy loves when I sudo it 😉

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 5:01 AM

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lol @ alternatives woman

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"Installing Grindr"

last cedar Nov 18, 2020, 5:09 AM

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Whatever floats your goat

scenic radish Nov 18, 2020, 5:09 AM

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{{ goat | float }}

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Ha, that could be a funny nerd joke. "whatever {{ boat | float }}"

last cedar Nov 18, 2020, 5:10 AM

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I would laugh

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Probably awkwardly, at work, in the middle of lunch

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The reddit post about someone throwing a steak at a window, I had to leave the room, was very embarrassing

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 5:12 AM

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What language is that supposed to be? In C type languages, a pipe is an OR

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So I'm reading that as "boat or float"

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Which is a bit weird...

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But the double curly braces make me think it's not C

scenic radish Nov 18, 2020, 5:22 AM

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It's the jinja templating engine for Python

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A pipe is a filter

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In this case | float would convert whatever is before it to a floating point number

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 5:24 AM

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That makes slightly more sense

scenic radish Nov 18, 2020, 5:25 AM

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Thus it would "float your boat" heh

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 5:55 AM

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it's 00:22 here, the last day of my work break ... and i've worked on some personal stuff all week ...

How does people manage to have a real break from working ...
@fiery sorrel
Break from working? Nasty 🤢
I still have 40+ vacation days to transfer to next year, but I'm lucky enough to have a lot of paternity leave still and overtime is also 1:1 compensation time off

forest edge Nov 18, 2020, 6:13 AM

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@clear ferry in a nutshell https://youtu.be/_3CTVsUXG84

YouTube

ToughRecoil

How You Like Me Now - STORKS Movie Funny Scene (English)

How You Like Me Now song from the movie storks and storks soundtracks by gamer4ever

2nd Channel (Mobile Gaming): https://www.youtube.com/c/appyfreakofficial

Play with Me: http://steamcommunity.com/id/devil_th....

▶ Play video

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 6:35 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/oh-really-say-what-huh-sorry-gif-13287152

Tenor

vast niche Nov 18, 2020, 7:47 AM

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Morning brains,

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I had a power outage yesterday and cannot access HA since, I have other containers running on there which I can access. Does someone have a trick to get in and see whats happening. Thanks in advance

velvet horizonBOT Nov 18, 2020, 7:49 AM

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Not sure which install you're using? If you have system_health enabled you can check Configuration -> Info, or see the following.

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vast niche Nov 18, 2020, 7:51 AM

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Thanks bot 😉 its the Hassio (I think that is now core)????

scenic radish Nov 18, 2020, 7:57 AM

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Read the descriptions and choose the appropriate channel based on what matches how you installed

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Or just look at Configuration > Info like it says

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 7:58 AM

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mindblown

hushed basalt Nov 18, 2020, 8:21 AM

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There is only one true way

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the docker way

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https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-mandalorian-mando-this-is-the-way-armor-gif-17546902

Tenor

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 8:24 AM

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https://tenor.com/bdKqd.gif

Tenor

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None of that appliance stuff 🤢

hushed basalt Nov 18, 2020, 8:25 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/i-love-refrigerators-appliance-fridge-gif-16332262

Tenor

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 8:25 AM

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🤣

hushed basalt Nov 18, 2020, 8:32 AM

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Doesn't HPe sell appliances

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 8:32 AM

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There have been some, they all died

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because locked down appliances

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SUCK

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🤣

young sigil Nov 18, 2020, 8:34 AM

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📎 device-zw.jpg

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 8:34 AM

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this

young sigil Nov 18, 2020, 8:36 AM

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🇮 🇸

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 8:41 AM

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🇹 🇭 🇪

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🛣️

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 9:01 AM

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Is anyone else with a SmartThings dev account able to log in at the moment? (https://smartthings.developer.samsung.com/)

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I keep getting 500's. Which sucks, cos I want to set up my new washing machine 😄

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Ah, it's my account that's broken 😄

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:03 AM

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HACKED

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by foreign nationals

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they are trying to get at your integration

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DON'T LET THEM

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 9:04 AM

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🤣

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It won't help them much, it doesn't work.

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:04 AM

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😦

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 9:05 AM

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Jason's trying to help at the moment. Well, he's sleeping at the moment but he was helping last night.

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:05 AM

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JZN

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JSON

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parse him

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 9:05 AM

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You shall not parse!

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:05 AM

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https://tenor.com/qn6z.gif

Tenor

you shall not

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Tenor

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 9:12 AM

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Washing machine is sorted (http://prntscr.com/vlbycm). Back to Graph API stress now 🤣

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clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:12 AM

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https://tenor.com/u9CV.gif

Tenor

slate marsh Nov 18, 2020, 9:22 AM

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RIP TP-Link sockets, you were great once

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:23 AM

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What's the issue ?

slate marsh Nov 18, 2020, 9:25 AM

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https://twitter.com/TPLINKUK/status/1328687659133399043

TP-LINK UK (@TPLINKUK)

@robbrad @home_assistant There were security vulnerabilities on the plug for the local management, the latest firmware version fixed these security issues. It is suggested to use the TP-Link official App KASA to manage the plug. If you have issues, pls feel free to let us kno...

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Closed the local API

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:27 AM

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orly

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so I won't update then

slate marsh Nov 18, 2020, 9:28 AM

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Yep I just blocked the WAN access to mine

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Wow. TP-Link are c||***||s.

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:31 AM

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https://tenor.com/bhfGK.gif

Tenor

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 9:31 AM

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I have one I'll have to try to prevent from talking to the internet. What do I do?

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:31 AM

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Block it in the firewall

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that said, they don't auto update

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I've had mine forever, you have to actively update via the app

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 9:32 AM

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Oh... so all these people complaining installed a firmware update without checking what it included? 🤣

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:32 AM

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What do you expect from Sheeple ?

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🤣

slate marsh Nov 18, 2020, 9:32 AM

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Ok that’s a relief. Hopefully no one gets a nasty surprise when setting their Christmas lights up

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:32 AM

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Auto-updating stuff is.... nasty

dusky plank Nov 18, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Do they outline the API closing in the notes?

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Just added mine to my router's MAC filtering and tested it still works. I'm good 😄

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:34 AM

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but, then it won't be allowed to connect to the wifi 🤔

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 9:35 AM

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No... it's connected, the router is preventing any internet access.

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I did it in the order I said. Applied the rule... tested it's still accessible via WiFi. No problems 🙂

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:36 AM

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That is not mac filtering though 🤣

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 9:36 AM

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http://prntscr.com/vlchiq

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It's what it calls it on my router 🤷‍♂️

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:36 AM

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they have changed the definition

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classic definition is used to disallow wifi clients

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 9:36 AM

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lol... fine by me. Not what I'd call it either...

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:36 AM

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it was popular in days of WEP

slate marsh Nov 18, 2020, 9:36 AM

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Do they outline the API closing in the notes?

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No notes online

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Any notes in the app?

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(don't hit update... 🤣 )

slate marsh Nov 18, 2020, 9:38 AM

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There’s the problem, already blocked mine. Looks like it’s the v4 hardware at the moment

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 9:40 AM

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I wonder what recourse the people with 'bricked' plugs have now. Technically they're still functional, just not in the way they want.

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:41 AM

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here in norway you would by law be allowed to return them if it was stated somewhere that they had an api

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 9:41 AM

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That's the thing. I don't think they were advertised as having a local API.

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:41 AM

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but maybe tplink will go the way of logitech and be forced to release a "unsecure" firmware

slate marsh Nov 18, 2020, 9:42 AM

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I want to check which API we were using it seems one is reverse engineered so probably all bets off if it was that

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Yep reverse engineered

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:45 AM

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I'm a reserved engineer thank you

jovial marten Nov 18, 2020, 10:02 AM

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is there any kind of 'replacement' for custom-header?

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 10:02 AM

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well, it's in core since 0.117

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but that is a #frontend-archived discussion I guess

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 10:37 AM

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Am I a douche for walking as close to any tesla I pass so it has to blink it's lights and take a picture of me?

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 10:37 AM

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You only needed the first 4 words...

quartz ether Nov 18, 2020, 10:38 AM

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I was thinking just words 2-4 was plenty

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 10:38 AM

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This one car probably has me 5 times by now 🤣

quartz ether Nov 18, 2020, 10:39 AM

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I wonder if there is an exclusive tesla forum that owners post pictures of people like you lol

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 10:39 AM

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I Douche, is that the will smith movie@quartz ether ?

quartz ether Nov 18, 2020, 10:40 AM

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2 to 4... Have you never printed a range of pages in word before?

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 10:40 AM

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Eh, starts feeling like every 10th car is Tesla by now, atleast 55% of all new cars are electric now

quartz ether Nov 18, 2020, 10:40 AM

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Come to NZ there are very few here

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 10:41 AM

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Yay

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 10:41 AM

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Probably under 5% here still 😦

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I'd get one if they were cheaper.

quartz ether Nov 18, 2020, 10:41 AM

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Battery tech isnt there yet.

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 10:41 AM

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I'm just hoping winter comes soon, then most electric cars get stranded often because -25c = 1/3 of range

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 10:41 AM

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When there's a £10k difference between an electric and ICE car, I'm going ICE still.

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 10:41 AM

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Here electric is way cheaper

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A e golf will be £25k while a comparable ice one will be £35-45

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 10:43 AM

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Hurrah for subsidies.

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 10:43 AM

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Indeed

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 10:43 AM

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The UK government don't like subsidies. They like taxing us 3 times on the same money.

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 10:43 AM

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The Tesla ludicrous is £160k retail here, with subsidies it's £65

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 10:44 AM

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They're expected to announce they're bringing forward the ban on ICE to 2030 (was originally 2040, then 2035) but they're not making it easy for people to switch.

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 10:44 AM

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They are expecting no more ice sales here past 2025

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That is quite optimistic

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Ev isn't there for me yet

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Also the average age of a car in Norway is 25+ last I checked

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Probably has changed the last few years due to inexpensive EVs

clever mortar Nov 18, 2020, 10:45 AM

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I keep my cars until they become uneconomical to keep going

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 10:46 AM

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By that thought I should have sold my A8 after two weeks

clever mortar Nov 18, 2020, 10:46 AM

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First car was 10 years, second 11, third is looking like I'll have it for a looong time yet

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 10:46 AM

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🤣

quartz ether Nov 18, 2020, 10:46 AM

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My last car was shuddering down the road before I replaced it

low harness Nov 18, 2020, 10:46 AM

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I needed divine help to sell my last car.

clever mortar Nov 18, 2020, 10:46 AM

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Oh, mine are worth scrap value by the time I get rid of them

quartz ether Nov 18, 2020, 10:46 AM

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And even then I drove it for the week as I had to wait until the weekend to get time to actually go buy a car.

clever mortar Nov 18, 2020, 10:46 AM

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"Sell" is optimistic

low harness Nov 18, 2020, 10:47 AM

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The buyer had prayed in preparation for buying a car, and was shown a green one. Ours was the only green on the local second hand market.

quartz ether Nov 18, 2020, 10:48 AM

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Lol...

low harness Nov 18, 2020, 10:48 AM

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The speedometer stopped working if you turned left.

quartz ether Nov 18, 2020, 10:49 AM

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That just sounds like Jesus showed him the car to buy if he wanted to get to heaven faster

clever mortar Nov 18, 2020, 10:49 AM

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"The car mostly works, just only turn right"

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 10:49 AM

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Ok for British roundabouts then.

clever mortar Nov 18, 2020, 10:50 AM

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As long as you never want to exit them 🤣

quartz ether Nov 18, 2020, 10:50 AM

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"Processing file 685 of 855" Stupid mass imports to sonarr take sooo long 😦

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 10:50 AM

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https://tenor.com/PP75.gif

Tenor

clever mortar Nov 18, 2020, 10:50 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/accident-driving-fall-crash-drift-fail-gif-4812415

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missed the turn

▶ Play video

low harness Nov 18, 2020, 10:53 AM

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https://youtu.be/ya5sJjpCxtU?t=40

YouTube

Lightning McQueen 51

Lightning McQueen - Turn Right to Go Left

Lol:)

▶ Play video

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"Processing file 685 of 855" Stupid mass imports to sonarr take sooo long 😦
I gave up on that and let it handle only the new stuff

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 10:57 AM

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pssh, just have proper storage 😉

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fooking customer networks

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they never can configure anything correctly

hushed basalt Nov 18, 2020, 10:59 AM

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At least it's not sickbeard

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 10:59 AM

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now I Have to wait again

hushed basalt Nov 18, 2020, 10:59 AM

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I'm pretty judge dredd when it comes to pruning old shows though

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Shit show, you're gone

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Watched it all, you're gone

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https://c.tenor.com/EJt_KvKrg7MAAAAM/liar-liar-liar-movie.gif

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 11:00 AM

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Eh, I just back them up to google drive unlimited

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just in case

hushed basalt Nov 18, 2020, 11:00 AM

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That's gone

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They killed it

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Thanks Linus

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You'll be grandfathered off soon

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Onto an ice float

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 11:00 AM

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nah, they have added an upgrade to single user for $20 per month

hushed basalt Nov 18, 2020, 11:01 AM

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So $400 AUD?

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 11:01 AM

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🤣

hushed basalt Nov 18, 2020, 11:01 AM

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I believe it's $28AU

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But you have to actually talk to someone

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On the phone

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With your voice

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 11:04 AM

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voice 🤢

velvet bear Nov 18, 2020, 11:16 AM

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Hello!

midnight adder Nov 18, 2020, 11:17 AM

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Hi!

hushed basalt Nov 18, 2020, 11:21 AM

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G'day

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 11:37 AM

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https://tenor.com/xHyL.gif

Tenor

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 12:02 PM

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So Elon has been to Eskilstuna and gotten Corona, know anything @last cedar ?

clever mortar Nov 18, 2020, 12:02 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/corona-dance-corona-extra-beer-gif-5506258

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corona

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clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 12:03 PM

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Funny thing you mentioning perl yesterday @clever mortar

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that is what is taking the longest to install on a default HP-UX install

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it uses probably 25 minutes just to install perl

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🤣

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       * Installing fileset "Perl5-32.PERL-MAN,r=E.5.8.8.O" (2073 of 2425).
       * Installing fileset "Perl5-32.PERL-RUN,r=E.5.8.8.O" (2074 of 2425).
       * Installing fileset "Perl5-64.PERL-MAN,r=E.5.8.8.O" (2075 of 2425).
       * Installing fileset "Perl5-64.PERL-RUN,r=E.5.8.8.O" (2076 of 2425).

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https://tenor.com/zEzp.gif

Tenor

clever mortar Nov 18, 2020, 12:04 PM

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😂

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 12:05 PM

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And I love the fact that the guys who designed the installer DIDN'T put all the files needed for a base install on one DVD image

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that is 7.1GB when there is 950MB avaliable on that DVD

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and I have to insert DVD2 for the last 40 packages

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https://tenor.com/bko6v.gif

Tenor

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 12:22 PM

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       * Installing fileset "Perl528-32.PERL528-MAN,r=E.5.28.0.A" (2077 of 2425).
       * Installing fileset "Perl528-32.PERL528-RUN,r=E.5.28.0.A" (2078 of 2425).
       * Installing fileset "Perl528-64.PERL528-MAN,r=E.5.28.0.A" (2079 of 2425).
       * Installing fileset "Perl528-64.PERL528-RUN,r=E.5.28.0.A" (2080 of 2425).

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😴

clever mortar Nov 18, 2020, 12:25 PM

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That's going slower than badblocks on a USB connected drive 🤣

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 12:25 PM

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It almost feels like running on a rasberry pi

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Thankfully I'm almost done, only two servers, then set IPs and do firmware and the software guy takes the wheel

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https://tenor.com/8V8P.gif

Tenor

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 12:50 PM

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The new season of Spitting Image is actually quite good 🤣

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I'm still conviced Boris has the voice of Boris

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 2:35 PM

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is reloading home-assistant.io waiting for 0.118 to drop

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I feel just like someone waiting for concert tickets to be release, or a new cd or whatnot

light trout Nov 18, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Just setup an automation to alert you

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Yeah, I probably should

static schooner Nov 18, 2020, 2:37 PM

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You could switch to beta and get what will probably be the release right now 🙂

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 2:37 PM

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but that would allow me to be productive right now

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@static schooner I could, but that would mean I would have to do something. Other than browsing

light trout Nov 18, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Or dev and get a new release daily

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 2:38 PM

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my family wouldn't be happy woth that 😄

light trout Nov 18, 2020, 2:39 PM

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For the most part you would probably not notice it

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 2:39 PM

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I feel like the best thing I could do right now is to keep reloading the page every 15 minutes and just watch youtube while I wait

clever mortar Nov 18, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Ah, long periods of stability interspersed by periods of screaming terror...

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 2:40 PM

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Upgrading to something before atleast two point releases, nah I'm fine

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 2:40 PM

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I'm thinking I also need to create a node-red flow for saving data points to influxdb, and figure out how to expose that to ios shortcuts.

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 2:40 PM

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I'll also be skipping 118 for sure

clever mortar Nov 18, 2020, 2:40 PM

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There's an influxdb integration @odd kindle 😉

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 2:41 PM

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@clever mortar I know but... like...

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I'm having a horrible day at work, I need to distract myself

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 2:42 PM

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You should change jobs

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🤣

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 2:42 PM

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nah, I love my job

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 2:43 PM

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I haven't had a horrible day at work for... 14 years tbh

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 2:43 PM

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yeah, it has nothing to do with work really

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 2:43 PM

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Unless you count that one time I had to go to a&E because I'm a doofus

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 2:47 PM

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it's just the horrible grey sky outside

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a&e?

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Emergency room

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I cut my finger pretty bad on a cage nut

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 2:48 PM

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ouch, that's not great 😦

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There we go, node-read and exposing endpoints is super simple

dull belfry Nov 18, 2020, 3:15 PM

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What is your daytime job atxbyea?

low harness Nov 18, 2020, 3:22 PM

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*sigh

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Mandatory IT security awareness training 😦

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Again.

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The usual stupid prerecorded movies (this time with Kevin Mitnick, so that's a tiny bit cool) and obvious multiple-choice questions.

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And as usual: distributed to the entire company through a strange looking email from a third party which waves every single red flag that's mentioned in the phishing chapter...

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 3:29 PM

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"don't click links in emails, dummies"

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end of meeting

low harness Nov 18, 2020, 3:32 PM

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It really shouldn't be harder than that.

clever mortar Nov 18, 2020, 3:33 PM

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It always is...

low harness Nov 18, 2020, 3:34 PM

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I hate those things. Had to do the "GDPR-video game" last week 🤢

tame sand Nov 18, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Our IT guy sends mails randomly even from internal email addresses to catch people... and they look like a invite to a google sheet for example... I got caught once already...

low harness Nov 18, 2020, 3:35 PM

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I've only got caught with having Dropbox installed on my work PC.
"Umm... yeah, this probably doesn't make it better... but I only use that for personal stuff..."

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 3:36 PM

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desktop admin guy sent me a message on Teams

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"do you use Python?"

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"yeah, stop bugging me I'm a software developer"

tame sand Nov 18, 2020, 3:37 PM

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lol

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 3:37 PM

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after that I stopped putting stuff in normal locations

tame sand Nov 18, 2020, 3:44 PM

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how dare you use python... pfft... maybe you are using a IDE then aswell ??? How dare you

light trout Nov 18, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Need to use VM/Docker to hide those things 😄

tame sand Nov 18, 2020, 3:46 PM

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but how to hide a vm or docker 🤔

dusky plank Nov 18, 2020, 3:47 PM

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docker_portable.exe

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 3:57 PM

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"what's this Windows Substem for Linux thing?"

light trout Nov 18, 2020, 3:58 PM

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"Marketing platform"

low harness Nov 18, 2020, 4:00 PM

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I wish I dared install that.

light trout Nov 18, 2020, 4:01 PM

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If they didn't want you to install it, they would have blocked it with a GPO

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 4:04 PM

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hahaha

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got an email a while back "we're going to deactivate these listed domain accounts because your OS is out of date. You need to manually install the windows updates"

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https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-question-marks-what-excuse-me-huh-gif-4486363

Tenor

????

▶ Play video

low harness Nov 18, 2020, 4:07 PM

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I’m afraid if I start poking system extensions someone might stop conveniently forgetting that my admin rights were never revoked after I needed them for that one thing three years ago...

spark orchid Nov 18, 2020, 4:12 PM

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this

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 4:42 PM

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@dull belfry cool stuff, constantly, with big stuff

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@low harness companies who don't give their power users admin 🤢

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I've only got caught with having Dropbox installed on my work PC.
"Umm... yeah, this probably doesn't make it better... but I only use that for personal stuff..."
@low harness
Wtf

low harness Nov 18, 2020, 4:43 PM

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It was convenient for them to forget

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And that Did make it better. We’re allowed to do personal thinga on our work computers, but we can’t use dropbox for work related documenta.

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Makes sense

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I use Dropbox and similar to share log files from customer jumpstation to my computer

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Because it usually isn't blocked in their environments

dull belfry Nov 18, 2020, 4:59 PM

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It might because of gpdr, that Dropbox is not allowed.

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Where I'm working, sensitive data can't leave Europe

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 5:25 PM

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same is for most eu countries

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and most medical data can't leave the country

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etc

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 5:54 PM

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@clear ferry... http://prntscr.com/vlnmmi

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midnight leaf Nov 18, 2020, 6:00 PM

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In what channel should I ask advice for Hass.io on raspberry pi + microsd/ssd

light trout Nov 18, 2020, 6:00 PM

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#330990055533576204

midnight leaf Nov 18, 2020, 6:01 PM

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ty

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Mandatory IT security awareness training 😦
@low harness We failed the physical security portion of that test so hard last time we did it...

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Dude with a high-vis vest and a ladder was allowed to roam around the office freely by HR

clever mortar Nov 18, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Sounds .... pretty typical sadly

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 6:13 PM

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"We were doing some work for the roof for the office next door, and we wanted to make sure we didn't cause any leaks over here. Can we take a look around?"

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And they just said "oh yeah, sure, go ahead"

clever mortar Nov 18, 2020, 6:14 PM

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something something weakest link

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 6:15 PM

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He walked right into the owners office, used their private bathroom, presumably wrote a giant "F" on our report card (we'd paid for an audit), and then left.

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Also, all of our file cabinets are keyed-alike with a standard key you can buy off Amazon

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So anyone who walks in with even a modest keyring of standard keyed-alike keys could just start going through file cabinets

inner vault Nov 18, 2020, 6:22 PM

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When I worked at a pharma place we had SOPs that dictated how long you stood and waited for guests outside the bathroom before you had to knock on the door to make sure that they hadn't tried crawling into the drop ceiling to get into the server room and stuff

low harness Nov 18, 2020, 6:35 PM

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That was my dream job when I was younger.

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Social engineering pen-testing.

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Inspired by Kevin Mitnick, no less.

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Though I’m fairly confident a guy like that wouldn’t be allowed inside by anyone without an escort at my company... bigger issue that the enterance isn’t guarded nowadays, and that the unlocking button is reachable from outside the gate...

turbid stirrup Nov 18, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Reminds me of the customer ISO certification guy visiting our office asking us what our shredder level policy is

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Most colleagues on hearing this later asked "we have a shredder?"

last cedar Nov 18, 2020, 6:50 PM

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I always show my customers my ID before I start working. I hate when people don't even ask to see, and just let anyone walk in.

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I do work at a lot of schools and stuff though, so I don't "advertise" what I am doing, just to a few people

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But yeah, security is always weakest link

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 6:58 PM

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We "stole" some passwords from the person having our mandatory IT security once. He was so pissed, fun times

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 7:12 PM

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at a place I worked we used to have this running gag that we would "Hoff" someone if they left their workstation unlocked

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we'd change their background to David Hasselhoff in a speedo and lock their workstation

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one time I came to work to find out I'd be Hoffed and I'm positive I locked my workstation

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 7:13 PM

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yeah, it was generally considered ok to do bad things with peoples computers if they forgot to lock them at the same place. You didn't forget more than once

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 7:14 PM

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so I start poking around and find out that someone used the uption in the Linux VM in the virtualbox appliance I'd shared with the team to look at my password when I was testing NFS mounting

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 7:14 PM

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We were also not allowed to leave our computers over night

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well, they needed to be be in lockers

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 7:16 PM

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hoteling?

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everybody?

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even the mayor?

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 7:17 PM

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I feel like I've written something that didn't make sense now 🙂 But I'm to tired to realize what

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 7:17 PM

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you didn't

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that practice is normally used in offices with hoteling

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you don't have an assigned place to sit and you either take your stuff with you or put it in a locker at the end of the day

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 7:18 PM

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aha, no no. We had our own desks, you just weren't allowed to leave your computer over night. (everyone using laptops)

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Ewww. Hotdesking is the devil.

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 7:19 PM

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risk of someone temparing with a computer over night...

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 7:19 PM

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then I made a reference to https://youtu.be/1g4531LEwgA?t=35

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 7:19 PM

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I was always okay leaving my MBP at my desk overnight. Until Corona...

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When they saw it was about to go to shit, they told us to start taking them home in case they closed the office in a hurry.

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 7:19 PM

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We actually had a breaking once, they saw:ed a big hole in the wall 😐

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I watched a guy talk about his red team and what they'd do to test datacenter security

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one of their go-tos was kicking through the sheetrock on the wall next to the server room door

deft pewter Nov 18, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Yeah, no point in a locked door if you can just walk through the wall.

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 7:21 PM

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yeah, I think the conclusion was that some building crew that had been at our place some time before had scouted the place.

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 7:22 PM

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another thing he said they'd do was use an IR laser on a mirror under the door to trigger the walk detector on the door

odd kindle Nov 18, 2020, 7:22 PM

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they'd manage to find one of the few places where you could actually get in

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that sounds rather smart

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 7:58 PM

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I've actually never heard of a customer have a break-in in their datacenter

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I've had flooding though

midnight adder Nov 18, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Hello, I saw on Twitter there was livestream as a releaseparty. Where can I follow this?

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 8:05 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/lOSaoNv.png

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What in tarnation

midnight adder Nov 18, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMbcjNJq8r4

spark orchid Nov 18, 2020, 8:06 PM

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We had someone use an extension ladder to the roof, open an AC unit, remove the blowers and descend on ropes through the return air duct, proceed to the room adjacent to our secure cash room, cut a hole in the wall, walk up to our safe and cut the hinges off with an angle grinder and leave out an emergency door. They weren't worried about the alarm sounding after they had what they wanted.

static schooner Nov 18, 2020, 8:06 PM

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that's some Mission Impossible stuff right there

spark orchid Nov 18, 2020, 8:08 PM

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They avoided tripping any PIR sensors. We now have a safe with temperature sensors and all kinds of gizmos. If you even attempt to gain access improperly, it sounds a silent panic alarm.

static schooner Nov 18, 2020, 8:08 PM

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laser grid?

spark orchid Nov 18, 2020, 8:09 PM

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Over the course of 3 weeks, 11 businesses with lots of cash within a 50 mile radius were burgled the same way. No one was ever arrested.

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Laser grid would be cool, but no. The safe listens for noises that vary from ambient (like a grinder suddenly cutting hinges off), detects rapid temperature fluctuations, has vibration detection, and has microwave motion sensors internally.

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Weird that didn't trip any motion sensors...

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Especially the modern ones that have warm body detection

spark orchid Nov 18, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Ours were 15 years old. And they had obviously done their homework. They were only on a security camera for about 5 seconds, which meant they also managed to basically navigate out of the view/range of the motions. Needless to say, we have performed many upgrades to security since that happened.

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 9:03 PM

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That almost sounds like a former employee

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Or an employee of either the company that monitors the security system, or of the company that does your cleaning

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Knowing the system THAT well is actually kinda incriminating

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or they had a 433 MHz jammer, I suppose. That'll knock out most old security systems.

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You can hold a jammer up to a window and open + enter + close it without setting off the alarm, because the sensor can't reach the base station

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Newer alarm systems can protect against this (the sensors can buffer the message until it gets a confirmation reply from the base station)

spark orchid Nov 18, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Like I mentioned, 11 big box retailers were hit with the same MO. The detectives decided it was a group of professionals that had probably identified the targets over a couple of weeks

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 9:07 PM

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But older ones? They just blindly send out a ping and hope it's received

spark orchid Nov 18, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Yeah, old security systems have so many simple workarounds

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 9:09 PM

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I mean, you can still jam a new security system, but it'll go off the second you turn off the jammer

last cedar Nov 18, 2020, 9:27 PM

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A lot of modern alarms poll as well. In some cases every 120 seconds

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So they get an alarm if the alarm is "jammed" (gsm)

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Depends (in Sweden at least) what alarm class and if there is only 1, or multiple lines of communication

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Also, modern detectors should have both pir and microwave detection methods, and be anti maskinging (so they generate an alarm if covered) and also take (for example) smoke vents, ventillation entry/ exit points etc.

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So those burglaries shouldn't have been possible, if they were built right

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And stuff should have cables :P

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:34 PM

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The racoon burglar knows all the tricks

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https://c.tenor.com/0yli7fSvvL0AAAAM/raccoon-yes.gif

slate marsh Nov 18, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Ok I'm starting to hate TP link more... I just dug into the API found my latitude and longitude in the system info of the plug

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Orly

slate marsh Nov 18, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Yarp

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I see no reason for that to be there. Like locale is fine but to within 30 metre of my house is too much

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Curious where it got that from, because there is no location in the app

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To be frank I only opened the app once when I got it, to connect it to WiFi

slate marsh Nov 18, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Same

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Kasa app has "while Using" permission requested in iOS

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:40 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20201118-224029_Kasa.jpg

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Interesting

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Location sync

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📎 Screenshot_20201118-224148_Kasa.jpg

slate marsh Nov 18, 2020, 9:43 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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Lat and long to 4 decimals

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 9:45 PM

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longitude, I knew you were from outer space

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 9:47 PM

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@slate marsh I swore off of TPLink products after they royally fucked me on an access point

slate marsh Nov 18, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Yeah I ditched them from network stuff but the switches were really nice 😦

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 9:47 PM

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EAP245 v1 has massive IPv6 compatibility and security issues that they never patched

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"Oh, you want those fixed? You'll need to buy a new EAP245 v3"

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"Don't ask what happened to the v2... we don't talk about the v2..."

slate marsh Nov 18, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Yeah my netgear Nighthawk router was like that. Released when they knew things were broken

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Basically, TPLink didn't know what they were doing with IPTables, so IPv6 broadcast traffic leaks from untagged to tagged VLANs

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And you must have at least one untagged vlan, because they don't support management on a tagged vlan...

slate marsh Nov 18, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Get Ubiquiti and be happy

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 9:50 PM

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So the second you enable IPv6 inside your network, it starts broadcasting IPv6 traffic from one VLAN to all your other VLANs

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took me ages to figure out why devices on unrelated VLANs were getting IP addresses that should only be handed out on the management VLAN

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I went Cisco (for switches) and Arbua (for wifi)

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Ubiquiti didn't really meet my needs at a decent price point

slate marsh Nov 18, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Fair

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Cisco SG250-10p is an amazing little switch, btw. PoE-powered PoE switch, which includes a built-in Cisco FindIT probe

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All the ethernet in the house terminates in a cabinet in the dead-center of the house, but there's no 120v in there, so I need to use a PoE powered switch in there

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And it's also the best place for an access point, being the dead-center of the house, so a PoE powered PoE switch is ideal...

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Ubiquiti's PoE powered PoE switches aren't great to begin with, and then I would have needed a CloudKey on top of the price of the Switch

last plaza Nov 18, 2020, 9:55 PM

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@clear ferry kakashi? Really? 😂

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Is the password “manga”? 😝

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 9:58 PM

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The dreaded network cabinet. Look ma' no 120v

📎 20200522_171705.jpg

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Also means it can just run off the UPS in the server closet (where the PoE injector lives), rather than needing its own UPS, so that's nice

hushed basalt Nov 18, 2020, 10:08 PM

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So yesterday I had to shave the bottom of a triangle of watermelon

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So it would stand up straight without falling over

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Toddlers are very fussy

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 10:15 PM

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were they eating it with no hands?

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pecking at it like a chicken?

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@last plaza password is 10t4cl35

forest edge Nov 18, 2020, 10:17 PM

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The dreaded network cabinet. Look ma' no 120v
@subtle pasture look at that neat cable management and clean area. if that router wasn't sitting on a cardboard box we would have to ask you to leave because we don't want no tidy folk around here!

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 10:17 PM

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That's not a router, that's an Aruba WAP

forest edge Nov 18, 2020, 10:17 PM

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whatever it is

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 10:18 PM

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looks like a monoprice box

slate marsh Nov 18, 2020, 10:18 PM

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120 V🤢

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 10:18 PM

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And it's sitting on a cardboard box because the ethernet ports face straight down, lol

forest edge Nov 18, 2020, 10:18 PM

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I should take a picture of my rats nest and make @clear ferry feel not alone lmao

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 10:18 PM

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It's meant to be mounted to a wall or ceiling

hushed basalt Nov 18, 2020, 10:19 PM

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She has to put it down while she chews

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And of course it has to stand up

slate marsh Nov 18, 2020, 10:19 PM

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What are the cables going into the back

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 10:19 PM

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I later 3D printed feet for it that slot into the ceiling mount bracket

📎 20200522_185414.jpg

hushed basalt Nov 18, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Because i did it to one piece once so now they all have to

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 10:20 PM

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@slate marsh looks like a 1/2U patch panel

forest edge Nov 18, 2020, 10:20 PM

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dear god! too neat.. alright.. get out!

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 10:20 PM

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based on the ears in that shot

hushed basalt Nov 18, 2020, 10:20 PM

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https://c.tenor.com/wYX0aiZCF4UAAAAM/hoarder-trash.gif

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 10:20 PM

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@slate marsh The thick cables in the back? Those are shielded CAT6, and they terminate into a 1/2u punchdown panel

clear ferry Nov 18, 2020, 10:20 PM

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@clear ferry kakashi? Really? 😂
@last plaza
Don't kink shame me

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 10:20 PM

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bam

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I was right

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 10:20 PM

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And then monoprice slimrun cables between the panel and the switch

last dirge Nov 18, 2020, 10:20 PM

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oh shit, it WAS a monoprice box?

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am I 2 for 2?

hushed basalt Nov 18, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Has anyone used patch cables from FS

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Nah, not a monoprice box. That box has an active PoE splitter in it

hushed basalt Nov 18, 2020, 10:21 PM

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I'll probably order from there when I have to populate my switch

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Lets you run any 5, 12, or 18v device off of 802.11af PoE

hushed basalt Nov 18, 2020, 10:22 PM

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I should use a poe splitter to feed my modem

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And put it right next to the phone socket for maximum speed

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:'( vdsl

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 10:22 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NH8QSOY/

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This little guy ^

hushed basalt Nov 18, 2020, 10:22 PM

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The newer fttc boxes are 240v only though

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So when I move it could be a dead idea

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 10:23 PM

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And since it's an active splitter, full gigabit through it

hushed basalt Nov 18, 2020, 10:23 PM

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Ha, greater than 100mbit internet

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Nice try Australia

slate marsh Nov 18, 2020, 10:27 PM

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@slate marsh The thick cables in the back? Those are shielded CAT6, and they terminate into a 1/2u punchdown panel
@subtle pasture nice. Yeah can see it poking out in the second photo

subtle pasture Nov 18, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Need to actually mount that punchdown panel to something...

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It's just sitting on the shelf, lol

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But hey, at least everything is terminated into a punchdown panel rather than just into bare RJ45 connectors

last plaza Nov 18, 2020, 11:06 PM

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Anyone tried https://www.amazon.com/REKO-Lighting-Purifier-Conditioning-Germicidal/dp/B078MMJZ74 a whole house UV Air Purifier? This hooks into the HVAC duct directly

storm summit Nov 18, 2020, 11:11 PM

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@last plaza i wonder how much better that is than just putting in a good air filter.

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oh. that isnt an air filter. weird. what does it do?

smoky oxide Nov 18, 2020, 11:11 PM

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i reccon it would be worse, since it wastes energy

last plaza Nov 18, 2020, 11:12 PM

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don't know... that's why I'm asking. Most of the air flters are ionization filters, not UVC

storm summit Nov 18, 2020, 11:12 PM

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I would just get a merv 14 and forget hepa filters and air purifyers.

last plaza Nov 18, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Folks are using UVC as it kills viruses

storm summit Nov 18, 2020, 11:13 PM

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oh. but it doesn't do a lot of other things. like filter air pollution.

last plaza Nov 18, 2020, 11:13 PM

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true!

storm summit Nov 18, 2020, 11:13 PM

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and merv 14 might also filter viruses. maybe

last plaza Nov 18, 2020, 11:15 PM

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this is what happens when you are at home and nothing to do 😂

storm summit Nov 18, 2020, 11:15 PM

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also, thinking about it. the particles are going to fly by the UV light so fast, I wonder if it will do anything.

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Yea. which is why i'm also talking to you. lol.

last plaza Nov 18, 2020, 11:15 PM

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I think it is also meant to kill mold and reduce indoor odors

storm summit Nov 18, 2020, 11:16 PM

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830 ratings? 4.5 stars? my first impresion on that is bullshit.

last plaza Nov 18, 2020, 11:16 PM

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we don't have any of the air quality, mold problems... I shouldn't even be looking at it tbh

storm summit Nov 18, 2020, 11:17 PM

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well, if it really works and is easy to install.... it could be useful 🙂

last plaza Nov 18, 2020, 11:17 PM

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I read reviews, and only usually pay attention to the negative ones

storm summit Nov 18, 2020, 11:17 PM

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i doubt it works but i could easily be wrong

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look into a merv14 and let me know 🙂

last plaza Nov 18, 2020, 11:20 PM

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I'm looking into it now... we just got a new HVAC last winter, we now have the 4 inch thick air filter instead of typical 1 inch ones

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we just replaced new air filter last month (we do it after each season change) - next one would be merv14 for sure

storm summit Nov 18, 2020, 11:22 PM

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have you purchased a merv14? you might change your mind when you see the price 🙂

last plaza Nov 18, 2020, 11:22 PM

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never did... looking at amazon $150 for filter? 😮

storm summit Nov 18, 2020, 11:22 PM

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I have one but I only use it when needed. too expesnive to run all the time.

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https://blog.brendon.net/merv-filter-results-with-pm25-data/

last plaza Nov 18, 2020, 11:25 PM

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that's an interesting finding you got there!

storm summit Nov 18, 2020, 11:26 PM

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months back I spent a few weeks testing and researching air quality

last plaza Nov 18, 2020, 11:29 PM

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very cool! I'll keep a merv14 filter handy and use it as needed! that's a great idea!

storm summit Nov 18, 2020, 11:30 PM

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They are hard-ish to find and also very hard to get a good deal on. I wasnt able to find one that fit my system on amazon.

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Or I think amazon might not even sell them

last plaza Nov 18, 2020, 11:33 PM

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I need to doublecheck the dimensions of the air filter. amazon shows wide variety of merv filters - 14, 13, 6, ...etc