Better? 🤔
#the-water-cooler
deft pewter
brisk glen
Didn’t google start thread?
hollow glacier
Ur a thread 🔪
brisk glen
And isn’t it going to be the network IoT standard across Apple, google, Samsung etc?
Self healing mesh
hollow glacier
Like to replace zigbee zwave etc?
deft pewter
CHIP is the one they're all working together on. That's not the same, is it?
brisk glen
With multiple jib support
Hub*
I think CHIP is going to use thread
It’s ip based unlike zigbee and can have many router/gateways
hollow glacier
Ah
deft pewter
An easily adoptable application standard for a set of network technologies, including Wi-Fi, Thread, and Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE).
So basically...
Yay... another standard.
brisk glen
Interesting enough, some of my Bluetooth HomeKit devices are getting a software upgrade..... for thread support
deft pewter
Nice. So your niche stuff is still going to be niche, just under another name 🤣
CHIP isn't going to replace Zigbee/Z-Wave. It'll take years to gain the market share necessary to convince people to switch.
I'm still not sure by which metric you think CHIP/Thread are 'better' either.
brisk glen
See multiple hub statement
deft pewter
See my last message 🤷♂️
brisk glen
No more single point of failure
deft pewter
There's always a single point of failure. You just move it a little further down the line.
brisk glen
Lol
deft pewter
But the CHIP/Thread marketers love folk like you that buy in to their marketing gimmicks 😉
brisk glen
And Phillips hue loves charging me $50 per bulb
clever mortar
So... buy another brand
Brands charge what people will pay... if you're willing to pay, that's your fault 😉
deft pewter
There's a load of choice out there for Zigbee that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
clear ferry
I have three hue bulbs, worst of everything i own tbh
clever mortar
If I'm paying $50, it's because I went with Z-Wave not Zigbee
deft pewter
But... HomeKit stuff? Yeah, that's definitely in arm and a leg territory. You're paying for the brand.
brisk glen
HomeKit is still a requirement for me
deft pewter
It's a choice, not a requirement. 🤷♂️
brisk glen
Lol
deft pewter
You've limited your own options.
And if the best retort you can come up with is 'lol', you're hardly convincing anyone we're wrong.
There's a world of choices out there. Each have their own merits.
brisk glen
I already made up my mind for a HA/HomeKit setup
deft pewter
Exactly. You made your mind up. It wasn't a requirement.
So you've boxed yourself in to a niche set of products now
clear ferry
Sounds like my regular Cisco customers
deft pewter
Anyway... that's your choice. Live with it. Just don't try convincing the rest of us what's best.
brisk glen
Cisco.... good god
clear ferry
A constant self wankery
brisk glen
Just think about that makes me want to throw up
clever mortar
Worse, then they were bought by Oracle 😛
brisk glen
I like the HomeKit protocol
clever mortar
brisk glen
One of the few without MDNS issues
deft pewter
People even use mDNS?
hushed basalt
Zigbees biggest weakness is the single coordinator
deft pewter
But even that isn't really a problem if you don't pick a trash coordinator 🙂
hushed basalt
Yeah but it's still a single point
Especially if you're running it on a RPi
Meanwhile a wifi bulb will run as long as it can see something with the right SSID
Too bad all the wifi bulbs are trash or they are like $90
deft pewter
Your WiFi bulb will run until your router isn't available. That's no different to a single hub for Zigbee.
WiFi and Zigbee are almost equivalent, with Zigbee edging out a lead because it has a self-healing mesh network.
And let's say someone switches to a fancy new standard with multiple hubs... what do they talk to? That's right... your internet router.
hushed basalt
But a zigbee coordinator is ontop of an existing network of switches, routers, access points etc
deft pewter
Yes...
hushed basalt
Coordinators fail. Zigbee2mqtt instances can fail. Host OS can fail,
hushed basalt
Yes but the zigbee dependencies are accumulative with those things not independent
deft pewter
Saying there's 'no single point of failure' just because it has multiple border routers is a blatant lie.
The single point of failure is just the next step along.
hushed basalt
Okay buddy
deft pewter
All the Thread marking guys are saying is 'not my problem'.
hushed basalt
Risk is likelyhood x impact
deft pewter
I'd love to hear the thoughts of the others here that have worked entire careers with infrastructure 🤷♂️
hushed basalt
If the power is out lights won't work anyway
If the router is out the local stuff still works
If an access point dies another one can take the bulbs
If a coordinator dies that's it
clear ferry
Takes 5 minutes to replace a coordinator
hushed basalt
And I can't buy a new coordinator in an hour
clear ferry
You can even have a hot standby
clear ferry
A preinstalled pi with a unused coordinator attached
hushed basalt
But will they pair to it
clear ferry
The current model ZigBee coordinator sticks are so cheap if I ever change I'll order two anyway
They don't have to pair to it
If the config is the same and the stick is running the same firmware
It will just fire up
deft pewter
Yeah. Same firmware, same PAN, bingo.
hushed basalt
But that's not a trivial thing for an average person to automate
clear ferry
Pretty simple tbh
deft pewter
Home automation in general isn't trivial
hushed basalt
If zigbee2mqtt could do that natively that'd be great
clear ferry
Most home automation users shouldn't automate their home tbh
deft pewter
It's getting more and more accessible by the year but I wouldn't expect my parents or in-laws to set up a home automation system without help.
Even with HomeKit/SmartThings/etc.
hushed basalt
But that's my point. A ZigBee coordinator stack setup at your parents house 500km away
Is a lot riskier than a wifi bulb
clear ferry
Wouldn't do either
deft pewter
Yeah... please shoot me before I agree to set up home automation for family.
hushed basalt
Such loving children :)
But my original point which is still valid
Is that a coordinator is a single point of failure
Nothing you've said has discredited that
Other failure domains aren't relevant
Anyways I need to work, have fun
deft pewter
Man. It's depressing seeing people talk about Covid and vaccines. Just saw a comment on Reddit saying that we shouldn't bother with herd immunity because if someone's so weak that they can't take the vaccine themselves, they aren't fit to live...
hollow glacier
First year psych majors be like
green inlet
Man @deft pewter , you a gucking frumpy today. 🤣
deft pewter
Nah, this is me every day 🤷♂️
deft pewter
We use cornflakes in that phrase here.
green inlet
I tried wheeties and it failed spell check also
Cornflakes would have given me back the minute I just lost 🤣
forest edge
@green inlet you think everyone is grumpy.. you having issues at home?
green inlet
Yea, way to much sex.....I have a hot wife and a perpetual smile on my face.
tidal bronze
🤣
forest edge
odd, I don't walk around thinking everyone is grumpy with a good sex life 🤔
forest edge
my god the rpi3 is slooooowww compred to rpi4 with ha lol
shy comet
yea im pretty impressed with the one i run at my parents house
subtle pasture
Hmm, Pi3 seems fine here, though I'm booting HA from an SSD, not a MicroSD card
shy comet
SSD makes a huge difference
subtle pasture
Yeah, for sure. I had it on MicroSD initially, and it was seriously slow
shy comet
but when u want to run things like tensorflow you need something more like an i5
i never looked back since i moved away from a pi lol
subtle pasture
Well yeah, I'll look into that when I start feeding cameras into HA
That said, people have had tensorflow working on a Pi Zero, which has a 1GHz single-core ARMv6 CPU
shy comet
im sure itll run but accuracy and timing are of concern too lol
i still get the occasional cat as marked as a person lol
subtle pasture
Yeah, just saying, it can actually function on some pretty anemic hardware. A Pi3 has a 1.4GHz quad-core 64bit ARMv8 CPU, which is more than 5x faster than a Pi Zero
It could make a passable attempt at running tensorflow 😛
I probably wouldn't attempt to have it do object recognition on more than one or two cameras, though
Unrelated: SpaceX is launching astronauts live right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebbbqO8BTQE
blazing parrot
so today my neighbors were gardening near the property line and they cut through my internet fiber. I got a good chaos test of what would work in HA without Internet.
All of my zigbee & zwave stuff kept working. Automations kept working. I'm using deCONZ for zigbee & zwave2mqtt for zwave.
but I did lose all functionality on my UniFi integrations, so couldn't see device trackers for my wifi devices, and couldn't connect to RTSP feeds on my cameras. I don't know if the block was in HA integrations, in my UniFi infra, or what.
rare plover
Is anyone thinking ps5 home assistant integration thoughts yet??
green inlet
That was pretty awesome @subtle pasture
forest edge
we're still sending people to space? when will they ever learn..
subtle pasture
@forest edge manned missions to the moon, and Mars, are planned
Humanity has to get off this rock eventually
storm summit
Yea. If we don't get out soon we're dead.
subtle pasture
NASA estimates the Earth only has about 300 million years of habitability left in it for human life. And while large-scale geoengineering could extend that significantly, that still requires us to be competently space-faring to implement.
last dirge
but what about that ball of fusion a few million miles away?
subtle pasture
The sun is part of the problem. Overall solar output increases slowly over time
storm summit
"300 million years of habitability" Seriously? That seems a lot higher than I would expect.
subtle pasture
The estimate is 1.75 billion years for ocean life / lower life forms
storm summit
Hm. Considering dinosaurs survived less than 300 million years, I'm skeptical.
subtle pasture
Endgame: Earth is very likely to go the way of Venus as solar output continues to increase, billions of years before the sun transitions into a red giant
storm summit
Has anyone looked into reliable wind forecasting in the US and if so what service did they end up with?
clear ferry
Fun fact, one of the funniest things in my head is a Swede with poor English pronunciation saying human
joomæn
molten osprey
finally got around to mounting a cheap USB microscope on an equally cheap desk lamp holder
molten osprey
hahaha
clear ferry
But seriously, that looks awesome
molten osprey
not my idea ... some german chap posted a video on youtube that got picked up in a few places. but it triggered me to buy the stuff. i dont have the space on my bench to put a permanent microscope. but like this ... it should work.
molten osprey
wow, that is a serious difference
clear ferry
Yeah, my right eye is like a TV missing half the pixels
molten osprey
i'm -3.25 in both eyes
clear ferry
so my parents took me to a doctor after I walked into every single door opening as a child
🤣
molten osprey
heh
molten osprey
interesting. i did not know eyesight could be that different in the same person.
my brother has + as well, but i think they're fairly similar. he had what in holland we call 'a lazy eye' but got operated on.
clear ferry
Probably related to the umbillical cord being around my neck and across my chest when I was born 🤣 DOG WAS OUT TO GET ME
THAT FUCKER WAS IN FOR A SURPRISE
molten osprey
haha
clear ferry
molten osprey
thats you just after you were born? 😉
clear ferry
That's me every day mostly
molten osprey
hehe
clear ferry
I'm an angry fucker, except when my daughter swoons me 🤣
molten osprey
i have my grumpy moments. more in recent years, i've noticed.
clear ferry
@green inlet still has nightmares after hearing how angry I was on voice chat
molten osprey
haha
molten osprey
ok thats disturbing
clear ferry
I'm usually quite disturbing
The very few people who have seen me drunk are still in therapy
molten osprey
you know i didnt start drinking until i was mid thirties
until then i had never had alcohol
then dated the wrong girl for a short while. and i've been trying to catch up ever since!
clear ferry
🤣
I started sipping whisky and cognac at the age of 18
but didn't start drinking beer until I was 31
molten osprey
i cant drink more than one glass of beer
clear ferry
I did start smoking when I was 19 and stopped when I was 23
molten osprey
but i can drink wine and whiskey all night long.
clear ferry
but I did smoke 40 a day 🤔
clear ferry
yes
clear ferry
I had a period with bathrobe and cigarillos if that counts
molten osprey
bathrobe and cigarillos?????
no pictures with more than a single cigarillos, please.
clear ferry
🤣
molten osprey
i used to enjoy telling my IT Manager ... "optical discs? how 90s!"
forest edge
did i read above that @clear ferry is a real pirate?
molten osprey
he insisted every workstation got an optical drive. i thought it was pointless.
clear ferry
🤣
I love my Zalman external USB drive
emulates a real CDROM via USB
Even works on 15+ year old unix machines
@forest edge
forest edge
you know he dies in the end right
clever mortar
Spoiler alert ||everybody does||
forest edge
not everybody. i plan to keep on living tyvm
fiery sorrel
I love my Zalman external USB drive
@clear ferry How much do you like that cable 😏
clear ferry
The cable is.. ok, it is flimsy, but I've never had issues with it
ancient gull
hey guys which group to help with iOS notifications?
clear ferry
Let me take a wild stab at #ios_and_mac-archived 😉
Unless you mean the notification automation itself which would be #automations-archived
fiery sorrel
The cable is.. ok, it is flimsy, but I've never had issues with it
@clear ferry Wait you're telling me you don't hate the micro usb 3 they use ? and it don't end up disconecting at the worst time, every time ?
What is your secret ?!
fiery sorrel
every single time ...
clear ferry
Anyways it's just a regular USB3 storage cable, if you suspect the cable you can use any other one 🤣
I use it mostly to install HP-UX these days
or reimage 3PAR Service Processors
fiery sorrel
the issue is mostly with the connector that don't hold the cable enought, and the usb3 cable is thick enough to apply pressur on the connector if not in the exact right angle :(
clear ferry
never had issues
fiery sorrel
you get to reimage 3PAR yourself ?
HP was really tickelish with those when i worked with it, always had to be one of there tech
clear ferry
I work for HPE afterall
somber ferry
Okay i am sure this question is asked enough already but let me still do it
- Do any of you use home assistant to sell to a customer. i am planning be an home automation installer and heavily rely on home assistant for all automations. I did not personally face any issues with home assistant. Compare to all other systems like control 4, crestron , RTI or ELAN this would be very cheap
- Do you have experience using other systems and what was your experience
fiery sorrel
ah snap ...
clear ferry
On mostly any product released the last 20 years
and a few more
@somber ferry many users have mentioned thinking about doing it, very few have returned, so I guess they either gave up or realized users are shit and it will be an endless nightmare
fiery sorrel
Yeaa. home assistent is way to open and customisable to be sold as it and managed by the end user.
You will quickly en up in support hell
clear ferry
users 🤢
somber ferry
@fiery sorrel this is the thing i am most afraid of. I think the support would be a nighmare if there are issues
fiery sorrel
Don't sell a product you can't fix yourself.
if you want to have HA as a backend it could be ok, but you'll need to know a lot of python in order to fix issue they might have before the comunity fix them.
You will also have to make a custome lockdown frontend to avoid user playing with it.
Usealy if you want to install smarthome, you do it with a techo that have it's own paid support with SLA
So you are not the one to refund the client if something is broken for 2 week
clever mortar
There's a few forum threads on the topic, that have petered out
Post history here and there should have a large stack of good advice on how to do it sensibly were you to want to do it
clear ferry
clever mortar
Well, which British accent?
I have at least three - one for when dealing with fellow Glaswegian's, one for other Scots, and another for everybody else (since they don't usually understand either of the others)
clear ferry
Y'all sounds like Texans when we aren't around
somber ferry
@fiery sorrel I can do coding and do some basic fixes. But support is not a very big issue in India, its easy to hire someone and have them check or replace systems. Most of the time if i would do it, i would only go for standard device setup like it was always be only one kind of lights and speakers and so on
locking the frontend should be simple i believe
deft pewter
Glaswegian has got to be one of the worst accents I've heard. What's the deal with their alphabet?
'gee' vs 'jeye'
clear ferry
You should take a look at Apalachian then
or the swedish Dalarna
even the swedes have to text them when they are on TV
I went to school with a guy from Sogn in norway, I thought he was russian for the first three weeks
clever mortar
The other problem with Glaswegian is that the words tend to run together, at speed...
clear ferry
Tbh I find Frankie Boyles accent soothing
low harness
If you're talking about Älvdalska, that's a different language.
low harness
I have a friend who speak it. It's to Swedish what Gaelic is to English, pretty much.
Sounds awesome.
fiery sorrel
i think i will end up not getting my EV 😟
Peugeot still havent agreed to take back the battery at his cost if the car is nolonger drivable, even with it beeing on the sell contract un july
😭 Last week before they break the sell contract.
fiery sorrel
Brian seam to like it
also IT salary here are low enough that i can't pay myself a car over 30K
clever mortar
I've never bought a car anything like that expensive, but then I only buy second hand 😄
fiery sorrel
Yea, but EV second hand aren't a thing yet over here... I wouldn't have try new if i could
scenic radish
Yeah I don't think I'd ever buy a new car
I saved 25% buying a super clean car with 39K miles
fiery sorrel
Usealy, dealership sellsman have brand new car the swap around when a new one arrive, those are the good deal
clever mortar
My current car was 1 year old when I bought it, spent about 40% less than buying a new one. My previous one was a very similar deal.
Yeah, current one was the garage owner's car for the year (aka "demonstrator" that never made it to the lot). Previous one went to a hire car company for the year, and sat in their lot. Had just under 100 miles on the clock 🤣
clear ferry
Most expensive car I ever bought was the Audi A6, $30k roughly, but it was through work, so I had 0% interest, and I bought it 3 years used, it was $80k new
fiery sorrel
I had 0% interesting Never got a loans on a car
i am to worry i might crach it and still have a loans to pay
clear ferry
Only car I ever had loans on
Everything else I've bought cash
No wait, the wife's car has loans on it because I wanted a nice car for her and the baby
🤣
But that is almost 50% downpaid already
fiery sorrel
The baby surely enjoy it a lot :)
clear ferry
She loves driving, if she can sleep
🤣
But like anything the wife wanted a manageable car, so it ended up being the Tiguan, even though I told her we should get the touareg, now she wishes we got the touareg 🤣
fiery sorrel
Those are nice looking car :)
clever mortar
Yeah, we bought all our cars outright, so far anyway
It's been a simple approach of - if we can't afford it we need to look at something cheaper
fiery sorrel
Your next one will be on a subscription plan :P
clever mortar
If it can drive itself, I don't mind that 😄
clear ferry
My current Volvo was $5k a 2005 model V70 with 180k km on the clock
clever mortar
And will probably still be running in 20 years
clear ferry
Atleast 10 more
fiery sorrel
180K is a lot ... many thing need to be replaced around such mileage
clear ferry
180 is nothing, I used to drive that over 4 years
fiery sorrel
ok so french are are crappy
clever mortar
Depends a lot on the car, and engine
clear ferry
French cars 🤢
clever mortar
My first car hit about that before it needed serious work and it wasn't particularly well built
Second car didn't make half of that before most of the engine bay fell out 🤣
clear ferry
Bought it in 2004 and sold it in 2017
fiery sorrel
self owned ?
clear ferry
My father had it from 2008 to 2017 though
First car I bought myself
My first car was a hand down
fiery sorrel
oh ok sorry :)
clear ferry
A 84 model Subaru 1800 🤣
night zodiac
shy comet
stalking the post man eh?
deft pewter
He needs to know what time to watch his girlfriend
clear ferry
The postman always rings twice
deft pewter
First time is for the mail, second time is after the boyfriend leaves for work?
Corona must suck for mailmen. Everyone's working from home.
deft pewter
I use a metal mint tin. I didn't switch to DE shaving just to create different kinds of plastic waste 🤣
Plus the mints were tasty.
last cedar
Do laser or electrilysis instead :P shaving is awful
clever mortar
I bought a sharps box, should keep me going until I stop shaving forever 😄
inner vault
I've got a soup tin I cut a slot in 10 years ago for old DE razor blades, it's nowhere near full
subtle pasture
Yeah, sharps containers always seem to last longer than you think they will
"uh oh, almost full" gives it a shake "...nevermind"
deft pewter
It's easy to forget how thin DE blades are. The paper they're wrapped in is thicker.
clear ferry
🤏
subtle pasture
Mine's all needles. They don't pack together as well 🤷♀️
Just looked up DE razors... two words: don't slip
deft pewter
🤣
It's easy to cut yourself if you're not paying attention... but it doesn't take much practise to get a good shave and no nicks.
Of course, the most sensitive area I shave as a guy is my face...
clear ferry
I had 1 nick on my first shave
deft pewter
I can imagine legs and... other bits... get tricky.
clear ferry
And none in my more sensitive areas
subtle pasture
It's the other bits I'm worried about :x
deft pewter
Well that's accurate. It's not a nick when you slice a bollock clean off.
inner vault
i've got autoinjectors for ulcerative colitis meds, only 8 fit in a sharps container, and even then jamming the lasst one in is tough
subtle pasture
@inner vault at least you can use an auto injector. My meds are intramuscular (the needles are 2" long), so auto-injectors are a no-go
I'm surprised auto-injectors need to go into a sharps container, though. I thought the needle retracted when it was spent?
inner vault
"kind of" they an also fall out, which is troubleing
subtle pasture
Seemed fitting 😂
I'mma stick to dollar shave club 6-blade razors, I think.. never had any issues with them, and they're cheap AF
inner vault
I just use DE for my face, I also shave my head with https://defenderrazor.com/ because there's too many curves
and blind spots
subtle pasture
in b4 "sharps container integration" for HomeAssistant becomes a thing
That would probably just be a weight sensor, now that I think about it 🤔
clever mortar
It'd be interesting to see if you can get one sensitive enough to tell about the presence of an individual blade
subtle pasture
Heh, if you could, that'd let you count how many are in there via discreet increases in weight
@clever mortar You thinking it could automatically order a refill when the count reaches a predefined number?
clever mortar
And remind you that it's been a while since you changed it, so it's probably time to check if it needs replaced
subtle pasture
Ah, yeah, that's a good one
I do have a bad habit of using the same blade too many times
clever mortar
They last a long time with some care and oil apparently.
On the other hand they're damn cheap...
subtle pasture
remembers to change blade
Legs come out super smooth
"Why do I always forget to do this..."
You'd think there'd be enough positive reinforcement there to remember. lol
deft pewter
And remind you that it's been a while since you changed it, so it's probably time to check if it needs replaced
@clever mortar Can we use years in time patterns? 🤔
clever mortar
Seems to be how it works for my wife
hollow glacier
wife here, can confirm
subtle pasture
lol
I try to change mine once a week (ish), if only to use all the blades they send me with my subscription
deft pewter
Hmoney is Tinkerer's wife? 
clever mortar
I usually aim for between half a dozen and a dozen shaves per blade, depending on time between shaves
scenic radish
I'm so sorry @hollow glacier
clever mortar
For a few months I wasn't shaving at all, experimenting with a beard. Now I'm down to shaving the non-beard bits once or twice a week usually - also known as any time I'm going out
subtle pasture
I know I don't get nearly that many uses out of a single blade, but I'm also covering a larger surface area. I wonder if it evens out as far as "total surface area covered" goes
clever mortar
It's also a feature of the blade itself, your hair, prep, and how you look after it
I spent too long on various shaving forums reading all the science and not-so-science
subtle pasture
I'm probably being terrible to my razor. I just leave it in the shower...
clever mortar
That's not ideal, but then I don't really care for mine that much either 😄
I know what to do, I just don't care enough
subtle pasture
Fair. Gotta pick and choose where you're going to expend effort
Only so many fucks to give
deft pewter
Mine hangs on a stand to dry properly. Even stainless steel corrodes if you don't keep it clean and dry.
clever mortar
I used to spend a fortune on cartridge razors and canned "foam". Now I buy DE blades at less than 10p each, and a bar of soap that lasts most of year
Yeah, my razor (and brush) is on a stand, but that's about it. I don't dry it out or dip it in oil to get all the water out
subtle pasture
+1 for bar soap. I switched from body wash and am never going back
scenic radish
What do you think of chest hair @hollow glacier ?
subtle pasture
Most liquid body wash is actually detergent, not soap... and my skin tends to hate most detergents
Switched to bar soap, suddenly my skin is way, WAY happier... because it's actual soap...
scenic radish
I just use laundry detergent sauce instead of body wash
subtle pasture
Look at this guy, bathing in Tide
forest edge
bathing chat
scenic radish
Tide pod challenge 2020
scenic radish
Norwatian*
clear ferry
I'm very happy with the mercur so far, works flawlessly for my face, my head and other areas, and very little nicks tbh, I have some Italian shaving cream and additions on the way in the mail, so thanks @clever mortar and @deft pewter but then again don't look like an American wall to wall shaggy carpet like @scenic radish
forest edge
and other areas, and very little nicks we don't want to know!
hollow glacier
What do you think of chest hair @hollow glacier ?
@scenic radish i like 3 sprigs just like homer simpson's head
to match my own
forest edge
toes? what are you on a swim team on the side or something?
subtle pasture
I'm just sitting here like "...y'all have toe hair? O.o"
scenic radish
I do
hollow glacier
i am the perfect male specimen with just enough hair in the right places, toes included
not a wax figure or a bear
forest edge
right places? yea your young still
wait till you grow up
you start getting hair in all the wrong places as well
scenic radish
all the wrong places
hollow glacier
maybe long ear hair when im 80?
gramps has that
i hear chicks dig it so i'm not worried there
forest edge
if my body was gonna do any weird shit with hair it would've by now
@hollow glacier incorrect. see right now you have hair in weird places like all over your ears and etc but they are fine, small unnoticeable and as you get older they stop being fine and unnoticeable. they grow and bloom and the next thing you know you gotta learn to shave in places you never though you could
subtle pasture
It's actually possible to revert terminal hair back to vellus hair with strong antiandrogens, so that's a thing
last cedar
Just lots of other "side effects" fron anti androgens 😂
forest edge
real men just accept their fate
subtle pasture
@last cedar Yeah, "side effects" 👀
last cedar
#goals
subtle pasture
And now for something competently different... Waffle House Bacon Beer
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/6308511002
This exists... 🤢
Like, I'd try it, but I don't have high hopes
forest edge
they will put bacon in anything
scenic radish
I don't even have low hopes about that
humble pond
subtle pasture
Not everything can be improved with the addition of bacon, sadly
hollow glacier
namecheap wants $20 to renew each of my .host domains
and i'm pissed
they went up from like $10 to $15 last year and now $20
for a fucking .host
.com is $8 renewal
i looked into transferring to cloudflare's new registrar service.. .com was $7 a year and .host is $60 (wholesale) according to CF
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
clear ferry
y'all need to buy some more bacon lube
subtle pasture
How'd you land on a .host domain in the first place?
scenic radish
Get a .casa domain like me, $12/year
fathom sparrow
@scenic radish why not .home or .MYHOUSE
clear ferry
some people here are probably too young to remember the free domains we had in the early 00s
scenic radish
.casa is kewl
clear ferry
where ads were injected at the domain level
hollow glacier
How'd you land on a .host domain in the first place?
@subtle pasture cuz .everythingelse was taken other than .host and .network for the name I wanted
It’s a somewhat common name :/
So I use .host for subdomains for stuff I host and .network to hit my UDMP for controller and camera access
Get a
.casadomain like me, $12/year
@scenic radish I did that for a friend 😬
For hassOS actually
some people here are probably too young to remember the free domains we had in the early 00s
@clear ferry I had a domain from 2001-2006 but I think I was paying godaddy before realizing they were the baddies
I was paying for hosting from a random guy I met in a Starcraft bnet channel haha
hollow glacier
Oh I think that’s still free
inner vault
I stalked my firstnamelastname.com for years before nabbing it in 2008
deft pewter
.tk 🤢
hollow glacier
Owned by a giant chain 😦
inner vault
I also own the .ca as well as lastnamefamily.org
and jordanand_wifesfirstname_.us that I used for wedding stuff
hollow glacier
“We swiped right”
inner vault
lol
"we've been together since before texting was a thing"
I wooed her with my suaveness on MSN messenger
hollow glacier
Yea msn messenger was cool
But trillian was cooler
Aim, icq, all that rolled into one
clear ferry
MSN, I had been sending messages on BBS' for years when that came out 🤣
hollow glacier
I got to see dial up and now have symmetrical FTTH
Which we should’ve all had in the early 2000s
deft pewter
atx is so leet that he can hum the dialling tone down the telephone to connect to his dial-up.
subtle pasture
I grew up with Commodore computers in the early 90's. Dad was a die-hard Amiga fan
clever mortar
Amiga.... 😱 Atari master race represent 🎉
hollow glacier
l1k3 1t m4d3 th1ngs s0 much c00l3r
subtle pasture
boots Atari TOS on her Amiga 2000
clever mortar
I regret now selling my Atari ST. It worked fine, I just thought I'd never want it again...
subtle pasture
You could actually boot both MacOS and Atari TOS on an Amiga, but not the other way around... because the other systems were cheaper and lacked the custom chips necessary to boot Amiga Workbench
subtle pasture
They were all Motorola 68k based systems
hollow glacier
i care enough to ask you but not enough to google it
subtle pasture
Yeah, it was. I believe you can run up to MacOS System 7.5 or System 8 on an appropriately kitted Amiga
PowerPC accelerators exist, so you might even be able to hack OSX on there...
deft pewter
was it really called macos before osx before macos?
@hollow glacier It had to be called something else before version 10 🙂
hollow glacier
https://classicreload.com/super-solvers-gizmos-gadgets.html this was the first vidya i ever played
deft pewter
OSX = OS 10
hollow glacier
@hollow glacier It had to be called something else before version 10 🙂
@deft pewter kinda like windows 10?
deft pewter
And apparently Apple hate it when you call it 'oh es ex'. It's 'oh es ten' 😄
deft pewter
XD
deft pewter
It's both simultaneously
hollow glacier
impossibruh
subtle pasture
Wait, if we're "the olds" how old is Hmoney007?
hollow glacier
32
subtle pasture
I'm 2 years younger than you >_>
subtle pasture
Can confirm, didn't date until after highschool
hollow glacier
yeah
inner vault
I just turned 38
hollow glacier
altho my "friends" in high school peed in my watercooling at a lan and told me years later
inner vault
cries in old man
hollow glacier
so maybe no life was the way to go
subtle pasture
Not for lack of trying, I was just a socially awkward introvert :x
clever mortar
There's another kind 🤔
hollow glacier
a human that cannot interact with other humans is a faulty human imo
clever mortar
Being able to interact, and wanting to interact are different 😉
deft pewter
Nothing wrong with introversion.
subtle pasture
This and that ^
hollow glacier
i was addressing the "socially awkward" part lol
wanting to be alone im down with
deft pewter
Nothing wrong with that part either
clever mortar
Eh, I'm socially awkward and yet also successful 😉
deft pewter
Introversion isn't about being alone. It's about finding interactions tiresome.
clever mortar
You just learn to fake it enough
inner vault
isn't that what booze is for?
subtle pasture
Online dating helped immensely. I started my last 4 long term relationships via OKCupid
deft pewter
So what you're saying is OKCupid is responsible for three quarters of your long term relationships failing? 🤔
clever mortar
Eh, with me it was sharing hobbies with my now wife, and my now wife's persistence when I was oblivious...
hollow glacier
i think depending on how old you are and if you want to date others around your age you end up with a much different online dating experience
at 32 i refuse to online date
subtle pasture
@deft pewter Actually, 3 of those 4 are still going...
hollow glacier
i'd rather buy a wifu body pillow and sub to onlyfans
subtle pasture
Polyamory for the win
hollow glacier
damn i worded it like i actually do that
inner vault
maintaining one relationship is hard enough, good work lol
hollow glacier
hahaha
deft pewter
Yeah, hard enough getting on with myself. The other relationship with my wife taxes my concentration.
clever mortar
I've some friends who have a "non-traditional" relationship, and they kept it quiet for years. When they finally went public with it they were slightly put out that the reaction from most of us was oh, ok, as long as you're happy
subtle pasture
Been with one for 5 years, one for 4, and one for 2. I live with two of my partners, and one has her own place with her wife.
hollow glacier
I've some friends who have a "non-traditional" relationship, and they kept it quiet for years. When they finally went public with it they were slightly put out that the reaction from most of us was oh, ok, as long as you're happy
@clever mortar we opened up to you! now share secrets and maybe have sex with us!
subtle pasture
I need a flowchart for my relationship :x
deft pewter
Well if their lifestyle has no impact on other people, "as long as you're happy" is the only proper response.
subtle pasture
And google calendar
hollow glacier
i've had long term relationships and honestly i gave up after fiance became ex fiance
clever mortar
Also, most of us were pretty sure there was more going on than they were telling us 😄
hollow glacier
i just focus on myself
deft pewter
So... you're a faulty human?
deft pewter
Ya huh...
clever mortar
Humanity is faulty by design...
inner vault
I have this theory that open/poly/consentual-non-monog relationships are more common among open source entheusiasts because sharing is caring and all that
hollow glacier
nah i think relationships require work to continue to thrive and not many people seem to want to put in that work
inner vault
but it's totally anecdotal
clever mortar
Most of the ... for what of a better term ... "non binary" relationships I know are between non-technical folks
hollow glacier
i'd jump into that kind of relationship in seconds but that shit is a pipe dream lmao
deft pewter
1 in a billion? So there are only 8 happy families in the world? 🤔
clever mortar
🤣
hollow glacier
you've hit your limit
clever mortar
The pedantry is strong in this one
deft pewter
I love that... you're going to tell me to stop telling me what to do.
hollow glacier
i speak in platitudes, suck it trebek
deft pewter
Wow, mangled that response.
hollow glacier
lmao
subtle pasture
@clever mortar I think the words you were searching for were "non traditional" and/or "non monogamous":
hollow glacier
you're weird
deft pewter
You know what I mean...
inner vault
Most of the ... for what of a better term ... "non binary" relationships I know are between non-technical folks
@clever mortar I do tend to often forget that artsy folk exist lol
clever mortar
Most of the non traditional relationships I know refuse to define themselves as non traditional 🤣
clever mortar
I'll call in an airstrike if you want...
subtle pasture
Oh boy, an attack helicopter joke 🙄
deft pewter
Oh, yes... attack helicopter. The stupid example that gets trotted out when people are ridiculing non-binary genders.
deft pewter
Not when they're used to discriminate against minorities.
clever mortar
It's deader than a moderators patience
deft pewter
Pretty sure there's a rule about being civil to everyone.
velvet horizonBOT
subtle pasture
Offended? Nah, it's just old, done to death, and inaccurate / misses the point
inner vault
I think the attack chopper thing crossed the line into transphobic some time in 2011
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
You mean, that one, and the stuff about the Code of Conduct
deft pewter
And the Bill and Ted one.
clever mortar
I may be old and crusty, but I've always been surprised that people get bent out of shape by how others identify themselves
deft pewter
inner vault
but also not everyone knows that some "jokes" are offensive ¯_(ツ)_/¯
deft pewter
Oh, people know
They just choose to ignore it.
I'll admit the whole topic confuses me but mainly because I don't understand why someone would want to change in such a big way. But if they want to change, that's their choice.
subtle pasture
Most trans people will tell you it wasn't really a choice
I mean, yeah, you can choose not to transition and be miserable / suicidal... sure... I guess...
deft pewter
See... I can't even get the language right 😄
But my philosophy on pretty much everything is that if it doesn't harm anyone else, it's all fair game.
clever mortar
I just wish society as a whole was more accepting
It seems to be getting better about it, but I sit in the wrong "group" to make an accurate assessment
deft pewter
I think each generation is becoming more tolerant and accepting (that's not to say there aren't older folk who already are). We're definitely heading in the right direction though.
subtle pasture
Really depends on which part of the planet you're on
It's getting better in some western countries, at least
clever mortar
Well, even some of those are making progress, thankfully, sort of
deft pewter
Yeah... I know the news has called out some pretty vocal groups in the States lately. I'd hope they're not a majority and just shout the loudest. And then there are countries with terrible human rights (for all, not just for minority groups).
It's reassuring to see that even some of the Middle Eastern countries are becoming more progressive.
clever mortar
We're all human dammit
subtle pasture
This, all of my this ^
deft pewter
We've got enough problems to deal with without bringing tribalism into everything.
clever mortar
Sadly, it does seem to be human nature to look for those who're the same, vs different
And I'll admit, I do look for different...
because shockingly enough, working with people who're the same isn't healthy. I'd rather work with people with different backgrounds/experiences/approaches/world views/etc.
deft pewter
It's natural to look for differences. It all comes down to the very primal instinct of recognising friend or foe. But we need to be conscious of it and not allow it to bias our feelings.
subtle pasture
@deft pewter I feel like a lot of it comes down to religiosity and toxic masculinity
clever mortar
Really hard to avoid bias - I'm doing a stack of unconscious bias and similar training right now, and it hurts to realise how bad I am at some of this stuff
And I care...
deft pewter
Eh... I'd disagree that 'men' are to blame. It's really easy to just pin it on one gender and label them all as the problem. That in itself is just tribalistic and is going to cause more animosity.
clever mortar
I'd agree with toxic X in general
subtle pasture
Toxic masculinity hurts men
deft pewter
I can recognise that women aren't always treated fairly but it still triggers me when people bring up men being the issue.
subtle pasture
@deft pewter Again, not taking issue with men, I'm taking issue with how men are treated by society
subtle pasture
Toxic masculinity = the idea that all men must fit the male stereotype
And if you don't, you're shunned
deft pewter
I understand that. But it's perpetuated by men, right? So... men are the problem.
inner vault
it's a systemic thing, that can even be propagted by women
clear ferry
I hardly even fit in my chair 🤕
subtle pasture
It's perpetuated by more than just men...
inner vault
like "why won't he fight for me" etc
subtle pasture
The second you see a mother rip a doll out of their son's hands because "boys don't play with dolls!" you've seen toxic masculinity
And it escalates from there
deft pewter
I guess. I'd still see that more as gender roles than as masculinity.
To me, the masculinity stuff is all about machismo behaviour. 'Men should be strong'. 'Men shouldn't cry'
subtle pasture
yeah, and neither of those are true either
deft pewter
Agreed
clear ferry
My daughter loves trucks and lorries 🥳
subtle pasture
But society REALLY tries to force boys into those boxes, and it's harmful
deft pewter
And I know we'll all have had different experiences and as such will have our own perspective on this... but I don't feel like any of the women in my life contributed to any of my masculinity. It was all the guys I grew up with.
clear ferry
Thankfully I've never been very masculine
deft pewter
Well your moobs are proof of that.
deft pewter
I've never seen potatoes that large or that soft.
scenic radish
subtle pasture
The premise for that movie (the 40 year old virgin) is a bit meh, as well
deft pewter
You mean we shouldn't mock people for having their virginities? 😮
subtle pasture
Having or not having, as the case may be
clear ferry
You can mock me for anything anytime @deft pewter
subtle pasture
Both get stigmatized, in gender-dependent ways
deft pewter
You mean... what they do with their bodies is their own business? gasp
deft pewter
I think the whole 'slut vs stud' nonsense has to stop.
clear ferry
I don't care what anyone does about anything, as long as they don't FOOKIN TRY TO DO NETWORK SECURITY WITH NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE DOING
🥳
subtle pasture
What the actual fuck...
The only reason a security auditor should ask for the first two bullet points is as a test... to see if you're already fucking up by being able to provide that information
The last time there was an exploit that allowed me to dump all of our employee's passwords in plaintext, it triggered an immediate company-wide password reset
deft pewter
I'd love to be able to annoy a few thousand people by making them all reset their passwords.
Especially the devs on my team that don't know how to use SSH keys for things... 🤦♂️
hearty depot
nice read, remindes me on Tales From Tech Support
airZ?
wasted hours reading the storys
The VP Saga is realy good
deft pewter
Yeah, it sucks that OnlyFans accounts get features first in the Netherlands.
Only affects content creators though, not fans, right?
brisk glen
Phillips hue
deft pewter
Oh, that too
deft pewter
I was trying to sympathise with Michael but instead outed myself as an OnlyFans creator 😦
brisk glen
lol
last dirge
you need to head over to the #coomer channel
deft pewter
@shy comet I set up Organizr in the end using Docker. I like it. Now that Docker for Windows can use WSL, it's pretty good. I used to hate running running that bloated piece of crap 😄
coomer?
Ok... Googled it, never mind.
deft pewter
I did get a little confused at one point... when it gave me a chance to put in a 'tab local URL', I thought that was maybe something to override the hash in the Organizr URL. Nope... 😄
What's supposed to show on the homepage? I have a blank screen there.
deft pewter
Oh... I see it. 'Homepage Items'. How did I miss that? 🤣
shy comet
haahah
deft pewter
There's a lot more to this than I thought. Even if it was just the tabs, that would be cool. I'm going to try to figure out this homepage now.
Hmm. Connections all fail. Will this be because I'm running Organizr in a Docker container and haven't done the proxy stuff?
shy comet
umm could be im not sure im not using docker maybe it doesnt have access?
deft pewter
Hmm. I think it's because I'm telling it to look at localhost 🤣
Yeah... localhost is inside the container. D'oh. IP works fine.
Oh, sweet... everything gets shown in a single calendar view? Now I can stop visiting the calendar page of every app separately 😄
I love you, man. This tool is great.
shy comet
yea teh calendar feature is amazing
for most common tasks you dont need to leave the hoem page which i love
deft pewter
Can you play stuff from that screen too?
shy comet
not directly but if you have plex setup there the plex icon will take u directly to the page in the plex tab to play it
youtube link should also take u to youtube
deft pewter
I see the YouTube link. I don't see anything that points me back to Plex.
shy comet
looks like i gotta update to v2.1
it shoudl be on items in the recently added row
if not might be a home page thing u need to enable for it i think
deft pewter
I don't see anything obvious. I'll take a look at the docs.
Got it working... same issue, had to go back and replace localhost.
deft pewter
We're living in a Docker container.
brisk glen
you can use service names as dns
deft pewter
Organizr is the only thing I'm running that lives in a Docker container. The rest are running as Windows services.
brisk glen
ah.... god help you
deft pewter
I'll try to remember that if I set up multiple containers though.
brisk glen
I use nginx and I use the service names for routing
scenic radish
localhost should work with host networking btw
brisk glen
indeed but who uses host networking? 😛
deft pewter
Maybe I should have given that this talks to a bunch of stuff on localhost 🤷♂️
scenic radish
I do lol
brisk glen
@deft pewter in your case yes lol
or use the servers static ip
the linux host should still route internaly
should...
deft pewter
It's all done now. Can't be bothered changing things yet 😄
But thank you for the tips.
brisk glen
hold up
deft pewter
Got it mostly sorted now: http://prntscr.com/vkehqv
deft pewter
Yeah...
brisk glen
so you can not use host networking
deft pewter
Makes my decision not to use it even easier then 🤣
brisk glen
just use the windows static ip or localhost if that works now
windows should route internaly
then again it might depend on the eddition
💩
deft pewter
Yeah, I'm using the IP of the host machine now. Works fine.
scenic radish
Oh I didn't catch the windows part
deft pewter
Oooo... December... The Expanse S05 😮
Alice in Borderland might be fun too.
And of course... The Watch
🤦♂️
scenic radish
|| 🤦♂️ ||
jade tartan
there any HA widgets for win10?
randomly had the idea of putting the switch for the light i use on the desktop popout rather then going to the webpage
jade tartan
yeah just looking for a yes or a no
like do home assistant widgets exsist for win10?
deft pewter
You'll find a yes or a no in #general-archived
jade tartan
WURD
brisk glen
covid 19 🤮
as soon as I can get one, I can document homekit thread support for eventual support in HA 😛
sharp spire
HA could really use a scheduled thermostat component
making a dozen automations doesn't really cut it
wet pilot
i think there's a thing for appdaemon for it
wet pilot
¯_(ツ)_/¯
green inlet
When it is hot, turn on the air. When it is cool, turn on the heat.
But alas, I am a simple man
sharp spire
that doesn't work so well when it takes 2 hours to heat
and I don't want to waste energy heating at night/when I'm out
sharp spire
New England with hot water radiators
green inlet
Auh....just curious, how are you compensating. It doesn’t have set points with + or -
sharp spire
well right now I have programming with nests thermostats
sharp spire
nest is nice because if I tell it I want it to be warm at 6pm when I get home, it'll start heating at 3 if it's super cold
I'd need a whole bunch of automations
wet pilot
ecobee does that too
green inlet
Now I am confused. You could just use the nest auto programming. Thought you want to do it in HAss
sharp spire
I have it with nest now, but I have secondary heating systems that don't integrate with nest
and if I could get rid of nest and have something entirely local, I'd prefer that
molten osprey
Anybody here familiar with JavaScript? Trying to figure out how to pass service_data as part of a POST ...
(to the HA API)
green inlet
Use conditions and time pattern
Same thing.
Have it check every ten minutes between hours you want with temp conditions
wet pilot
@molten osprey just need to post a json payload
sharp spire
I'm sure my wife will love setting that up if we need to make a change to the schedule
molten osprey
headerFields: {
'Authorization': 'Bearer '.concat(settings.homeassistant.key),
'Content-Type' : 'application/json'
},
resultType: 'json'
});```your mom posts a JSON payload
molten osprey
@wet pilot How do I insert that into the request there? pardon the ignorance
wet pilot
that i'm not sure, haven't messed with JS much
molten osprey
Ok 🙂
wet pilot
but nothing fancy going on. Just however you'd send a payload via that HTTP lib
last dirge
what library is it?
molten osprey
@last dirge Does HTTP sound like an answer to that question?
last dirge
that's a pretty much useless search term though
molten osprey
i've found this 😄
green inlet
@sharp spire , ok, guess you just here to rant. All good.
last dirge
is it node?
molten osprey
I'm trying to find out. This is within the confines of an application I use called 'LaunchBar', so let me try and find out.
sharp spire
@green inlet basically - hoping someone would know of a new custom component
wet pilot
that's what you would want
molten osprey
Sorry for the trouble!
last dirge
well, at least in that
wet pilot
no worries, everyone starts somewhere
last dirge
I don't know if you've got that same thing, that's just a gist
green inlet
But @last dirge , working a mom joke into JSON though
last dirge
are you running >= v 6.1?
molten osprey
yes
last dirge
this API sucks
molten osprey
it is what it is ... LaunchBar is the shitz
molten osprey
🙂
last dirge
and it doesn't say whether or not it'll auto-marshall to JSON from the object
so, probably stringify it first
wet pilot
looks like it will
molten osprey
So I call /api/services/script/turn_on to run a script, putting entity_id in the parameters?
scenic radish
this is more #general-archived or maybe #integrations-archived
molten osprey
Sorry.
(Yes, that works)
Thanks chaps!
I can now run any script from LaunchBar!
errant bough
I have my music library on Nextcloud and the closest thing I have to Plex would be a Pi running Volumio. Is there any way I can cast music to a Google Home conveniently? Can I mount my music directory into HA's media browser feature and cast from there or something?
molten osprey
last dirge
haha
molten osprey
In case anybody got curious about LaunchBar 😉
last dirge
you look thrilled
molten osprey
jesus ... wth with the photo!!!
wet pilot
lol your GH profile pic
molten osprey
sorry about that haha
wet pilot
you can remove it from here if you want
molten osprey
the photo is 12 years old
wet pilot
(or i can if you want)
molten osprey
what, you dont think i used to be handsome? 😉
wet pilot
heh
molten osprey
i have no idea how to remove it ... but yeah
(yes, i realize postAPI_JSON and postAPI are very similar, but I'm too lazy to try and figure out if it can be merged into a single function)
wet pilot
via desktop that works. not sure if it does via mobile
molten osprey
I actually knew that
last dirge
haha
molten osprey
(the <> trick)
last dirge
that picture was probably hilariously huge on mobile
molten osprey
it was on my desktop app too
I don't know why I post stuff on GitHub. My stuff is so super basic.
wet pilot
you never know, it might help someone somewhere
molten osprey
here's hopin!
young sigil
HA could really use a scheduled thermostat component
@sharp spire See: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/scheduler-card-custom-component/217458
clear ferry
So 0.1149 then
clever mortar
Well, in that reality it'll be v1.149
If you've got a convenient interdimensional portal you can grab a copy
clear ferry
Is that the same reality where python was overthrown by turbopascal?
clever mortar
Lisp actually, you're thinking of the neighbouring reality
clear ferry
Or where proxmox is the market leading enterprise virtualization software?
Or maybe the one where the tradfri integration doesn't suck
clever mortar
Could be worse, could be VirtualBox
clever mortar
I have one of https://twitter.com/joshbloch/status/965326238242848768 in a box somewhere
clear ferry
Never seen one of those
Seen a few java mousepads though
Heck, the server I'm installing now has a Java sticker on it
clever mortar
They did market the hell out of it at the time
deft pewter
@clear ferry Got my dev environment running. Only 3 months until I have an integration ready...
midnight adder
hello guys
i am new to hassio and wanted to try it first on VM. I am stuck already as the VM disk files on the installation page are not ".vdi" but ".vdi.gz"
clever mortar
.topic 😉
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
You'd be wanting help in #330990055533576204
(the answer though is to unzip it 😉 )
arctic compass
Good afternoon, for the people who are using my dashboard, I released 2.0 yesterday it has some major updates so please take a look at the changelog https://community.home-assistant.io/t/dwains-dashboard-1-click-install-lovelace-dashboard-for-dekstop-tablet-and-mobile-v2-0-0/168593/1097?u=dwains Thanks.
storm canyon
Greetings so what is the purpose of having a temperature sensor in each room of your house if you have a whole home heating and air conditioning system? Just to provide knowledge?
clever mortar
You could use it to tell where you need to adjust a radiator/close a window
storm canyon
I have never lived in a house in the US with radiators in every room, so I guess it would mean motorizing the vents or opening/closing them to adjust temperatures. That makes sense
clever mortar
UK here... radiators in every room
They've got a thermostatic valve attached that you can adjust to control the temperature
In theory you set them to, say, 3 and then they allow the room to warm up to 20C. In reality all are slightly different, and each room is different. So while it might be 20C by the radiator, it may be 22C, or 18C, further away
storm canyon
@clear ferry not sure the reason for the second comment but to each their own I guess
hushed basalt
Houses don't exists in vacuums
External factors play a huge part
Orientation of windows, thermal stack, insulation properties between floor/ground, walls, ceiling, ceiling/floor
Lots of places for a house to have quite a temperature gradient even with a whole house system running
Lots of useful data there
hushed basalt
Only for rich NIMBYs
dusky plank
are you happy @clear ferry ? 😘
clear ferry
Yaaaaaaas queen
storm canyon
@hushed basalt that is all very true. I guess from a data gathering standpoint I can see the desire to have temperature controls in each room. They are not expensive to make so I guess I will make some and then see what I do with the data and if it affects how I operate in the house
clear ferry
Reminds me, I was supposed to help a friend with the only american style heating house I know of make it smarter
but corona
hearty depot
I approve the naming
inner vault
as a canadian with hot water radiators, I'm super jealous of UK systems with individual thermostatic valves, that's not a thing here at all
also places that sell the smart valves don't sell to canada. I'm not sure if it's a regulatory thing, or the systems are designed differently or what.
that said, I wouldn't be surprised if all of my radiators were plumbed in series which would probably not work so well with individual valves
midnight adder
i live in eastern europe where it's rather cold. we have hot water radiators with central heating system, but also valves with sensors that talk to the mothership, you can't totally close them if it's too cold they increase the pressure.
clear ferry
@inner vault then you will probably have loved the Norwegian houses of the 80s with electric radiators in every room
inner vault
eh, my first house had electric radiators in each room, I decided not to "smart" them, because I would have needed 9 line voltage smart thermostats haha