server edition I have no idea about desktop
#the-water-cooler
dusky plank
subtle pasture
Or keeping embedded devices going without having to burn down and redo the entire OS constantly
clear ferry
@subtle pasture I've had ... Probably a dozen customers move from esxi to hyperv, atleast 9 of them are back with esxi , not sure about the rest
subtle pasture
Tried Arch... barely got it installed, dumped it quickly. The documentation was a nightmare to follow
Much prefer RedHat's knowledge base to Arch's wiki
clear ferry
Only ones who run hyperv here these days are counties and the likes, and they do it because Microsoft basically give them free licenses
subtle pasture
@clear ferry ESXi is a hard sell for small businesses who run a single server and only need 4 VMs (all of which are Windows, as well)
steel crag
clear ferry
Single server with 4 vms, heck those people don't need virtualization at all....
subtle pasture
Selling them 4 physical servers would cost a ton more, and gain them nothing...
clear ferry
Sell them a single server and run everything in one os, they gain little by splitting it anyway
subtle pasture
Also, 4 physical servers cost more in OS licensing, on top of the additional hardware and service contract fees
Uuuuh, it's against best practice to run multiple roles on a domain controller...
And some roles can't co-exist on a DC anyway
dusky plank
thats the reason I like to avoid MS
subtle pasture
Hyper-V literally solves all of this... one Server 2019 Standard license covers the hypervisor and two guest OSs, one Server 2019 Datacenter license covers the hypervisor and unlimited guest OSs.
rapid tendon
aaand webui is back, like i knew it would be. Now to fiddle with nmcli to change the IP and it's a drop in replacement for the previous install 🙂
clear ferry
Indeed such rules exist, but very few of those customers break those rules with their installs, but add complexity by adding s hypervisor and still need the same capacity to be able to run the virtual instances they would need with multiple servers in many cases
subtle pasture
Eh? You can get stupid amounts of power in a single server, more than enough to handle running a couple VMs...
A dedicated domain controller can be as small as 8 GB of disk space and 512mb of RAM (server core for the win)
I'd probably give it a bit more than that, but it'll run on that
clear ferry
Whatever happened to nano server, ms praised it but noone runs it
🤢
I have never seen one outside of lab
subtle pasture
nano server is used inside containers now
Single-service containers are nano server
dusky plank
or windows core server, never seen that either
subtle pasture
We use core all the time, lol
All of the Hyper-V instances, and domain controllers, we deploy are Server 2019 Core
Requires significantly fewer patches / reboots than a server with a GUI
Which is what you want for a hypervisor and a DC, for obvious reasons
subtle pasture
I just said we don't use a GUI... and Hyper-V is free (no license required)
So those first two emoji are invalid. lol
rapid tendon
aaand... i'm back at full power 🙂 It even kept my login session saved in that backup, hella nice.
subtle pasture
And I like PowerShell, but you're free to load up the MMC and connect to a Server Core system using the appropriate snap-ins (or the server manager, or the new Windows Admin Center webapp)
dusky plank
🤷♂️ still easier to just use linux and have none of that
clear ferry
Powershell is horrible to me coming from a *nix background, but I need to learn it
dusky plank
it's a clusterfrick
subtle pasture
@dusky plank That's realtive, I find Linux significantly more difficult to use as a hypervisor than either ESXi or Hyper-V
ESXi will always be my first choice, you won't change my mind on that one 😛
dusky plank
yeah esxi is fine, but have you ever had proper potato salad?
light trout
Actually @rapid tendon that is considered an upgrade
4.14 is the latest stable version
rapid tendon
Oh yeah i know. I do have the beta track enabled tho.
so it amused me that it popped in
light trout
5.x is only on dev
subtle pasture
I've actually had that pop up for stable OS versions as well...
Got prompted to upgrade to a lower point-revision
I didn't bother, waited until it prompted for a higher point revision
rapid tendon
Yeah, i was informed to use the 5.3 dev branch since i'm on a rpi4 8gb model.
smooth sailing so far, great work by the devs 🙂
subtle pasture
I'm still running on a RPi 3 + USB SATA SSD, but the last few versions of HomeAssistant have been blazing fast compared to what it was a few months ago
subtle pasture
There have been some serious under-the-hood improvements
rapid tendon
also it probably helps for speed that I have proper heat sinks now, and a power supply that doesn't cause undervolt warnings
subtle pasture
Not sure I'd throw an 8GB Pi at at, though... I'm showing a grand total of 513 mb of memory usage from HomeAssistant right now. lol
light trout
Ahh, that's why you run dev, it was too stable for you
rapid tendon
😄
subtle pasture
A cheaper 4GB model would probably be plenty
dusky plank
4 is plenty, I don't need more and I have >15 containers running
tame sand
I'm running it on a pi 4 gbwith some other stuff and it works fine... I have ~10 containers up and have never experienced any lag
light trout
does it have doom?
rapid tendon
meh, if i have the budget for it, i'd rather overprovision. Room for lots of expansion options in the future.
dusky plank
actually i have 2 pi simply for the transcoding of 4 cameras for both homekit and HA
clear ferry
Pi 🤢
clear ferry
Watch Mary and Max
dusky plank
ok watching nau
dusky plank
I'm so Max 😅
dusky plank
inglese
clear ferry
Gracias
dusky plank
muchas denada
clear ferry
Sonotori desu ka
deft pewter
Bless you
shy comet
lol
deft pewter
I hate Prime Day. I see so many amazing deals being talked about and they're always on amazon.com. Nothing good on the UK site.
Ordered myself a thermostatic radiator valve and that's the highlight so far.
deft pewter
amazon.NOHAHAHAHA
clever mortar
🤣
deft pewter
What did Tinkerer buy? Any good deals?
light trout
4 cubic litres of whiskey
deft pewter
Nah, he could get that locally for less than a tenner.
light trout
Not with same day shipping
clear ferry
Same hour pickup
deft pewter
His neighbour makes it in a bathtub.
clever mortar
I got myself a replacement slip case for my laptop, for £1.13 🤣
I'm tempted by a few other things, but... I don't need them - it's purely an oooh, shiny reaction
I've got enough USB-C chargers that a few more is overkill 😄
deft pewter
I saw some wireless chargers I liked. I don't have a device I can wirelessly charge 🤦♂️
Oh, got an Aqara humidity sensor for £13 shipped. I cba ordering from China right now and waiting weeks.
Looks like the door sensors go live at 2am too
forest edge
I hate Prime Day. I see so many amazing deals being talked about and they're always on amazon.com. Nothing good on the UK site.
@deft pewter haha suck it!
you guys get better deals on all kind of crap throughout the whole year
deft pewter
We do? The UK is awful for overpricing things and doing shitty sales.
Especially as a guy, I hate sales. We're lucky to get 10% off most of the year on clothing. Meanwhile, ladies get 90% off sales for no reason.
forest edge
but the chinese like you better than us
deft pewter
And let's not forget the random pricing. If something is $100, you can bet it's going to be £100 too... even back when the exchange rate was 1.6:1
I don't think it's the Chinese that decide the end prices though.
clear ferry
Mmmmmm Chinese goods
forest edge
dunno, just know every time someone links to something in here it's always more expensive for us and would take a year to get shipped
clear ferry
Take those over muuurican any day
forest edge
@clear ferry that's cause some people prefer to use flashlights while others prefer to unscrew a battery lightbulb and feel for the small button
deft pewter
I'm on atx's side here. If the man can reach inside a small space and still hit the spot, he's doing it right.
rapid tendon
🙂
forest edge
heh maybe be right but taking forever to achieve the same goal is nothing to brag about
clear ferry
You mean 7-14 days?
deft pewter
Man. I thought 90 seconds was a long time.
clear ferry
Only when you are talking about how long it takes to walk all the way around @forest edge once
forest edge
sorry, some of us do have good prime deals to shop for.. lol
subtle pasture
The $18 Echo Dot was a good one
forest edge
@clear ferry why did the coworkers throw soda cans at you again? lol
subtle pasture
Wow, I have some unpopular opinions today...
forest edge
alexa sucks lol
subtle pasture
Works better than Google Assistant 🤷♀️
wild grove
nah
forest edge
maybe for ordering milk
subtle pasture
Though they both have weak multi-user support
Alexa is getting there faster than Google, at least
dull chasm
wife is better ......get me a samwhich and it shows up just like i like it
forest edge
wife is better ......get me a samwhich and it shows up just like i like it
@dull chasm soggy and smelling like dog urine?
dull chasm
yea right
subtle pasture
@dull chasm My girlfriend and I prefer to eat out 😏
dull chasm
really
subtle pasture
@forest edge ?
dull chasm
I didnt see a squirrel ....are you distracted
avoiding something ....
life problems
bitter pawn
fetal position initiated
dull chasm
damn tink ...i dint think he was that bad off
dusky plank
well that was quite a sad ending.. but enlightening movie though. i like! @ætixbae
forest edge
did he share his 3d printer camera with you too?
dusky plank
I'm unaware of that story
dull chasm
oh lordy here it comes
forest edge
oh you said it was quite a sad ending, i just jumped to assuming..
dusky plank
mary and max.. the movie
dull chasm
dang you didnt see Sonama Atx and the printer
dusky plank
is it on pr0nhub?
dull chasm
not sure i just heard about it
deft pewter
2 dudes, one spool?
dull chasm
easy ....family enviorment
clever mortar
Somebody's gonna send in a fibre seeking backhoe at this rate
forest edge
last time he showed it all we saw was a big purple dildo going horribly wrong on the printer bed
forest edge
dunno, but had your name on it
dull chasm
forest edge
saw "vasil" and then closed the browser, seen enough to scar me for life
dusky plank
it is
forest edge
his ears must have been burning
clear ferry
We're a great big family
deft pewter
Which one's atx?
dull chasm
short bald one
clever mortar
Not cousin It?
subtle pasture
@bitter pawn I just noticed your username. Love it 😂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO0kRE5OTZI
bitter pawn
nods thanks for noticing
dull chasm
your welcome
forest edge
cannot believe i been up for almost 24 hours
actually ovver 24 hours wtf i didn't even see the time lol
dull chasm
i go days and days sometimes
forest edge
I did once upon a time
bitter pawn
hehehe he said fart.
forest edge
probably the humidity, making your face look younger than it is in the mirror giving you false sense of energy lol
bitter pawn
idk i feel tired as shit. this humidity is not helping
why cant north texas just be face melting heat 24/7?
i miss those days
forest edge
not west enough
rapid tendon
Is this west enough?
subtle pasture
That's pretty west...
bitter pawn
i miss the old kanye.
rapid tendon
you miss the idea of old kanye
orchid rose
Old Kanye, same as the new Kanye
forest edge
where the hell is @tidal bronze
seen like 3 things on prime that would be perfect for him especially the dog call buttons lol
tidal bronze
Roaming around NJ, missing Cali blue skies
tidal bronze
Always 🙄
forest edge
haha
brisk glen
well... im buying a few home pod minis
they have reached affordable point
and they do freaking object detection.... jeasus
hushed basalt
Prime day sales on WD shuckables
Do I need more storage, no.
Do I want more storage....
brisk glen
who cares, buy away
brisk glen
as long as they are not the stupid layered platters
hushed basalt
shingled?
brisk glen
yes... that bullshit
hushed basalt
I think that's okay in 8TB and larger
If I swap out 2 of my mirrored 4TBs with 12TBs I'll get another 8TB of usable storage, and have mirror 4TB drives for onsite storage in my old nas
Hmm...
brisk glen
its soo bad for NAS setups
hushed basalt
shingled? It's so bad for everything
capacity operations bandwidth
pool alloc free read write read write
---------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
tank 2.75T 11.8T 7 79 3.23M 2.17M
Only 11.8TB free. Need more1
subtle pasture
Storage flex? Storage flex...
12x 4TB drives. So far I've only had to replace one since I bought the NAS 🤞
And yeah, shingled drives are to be avoided at all costs. I have a few known-good WD Red 4TB drives set aside as replacements, just in case...
I've had unpopular opinions about hypervisors and voice assistants today, waiting for someone to call me out for running BTRFS 😛
wet pilot
Fedora is switching to that by default in their next release
I don't know enough about it to have an opinion
subtle pasture
Interesting, because downstream (RedHat and CentOS) depreciated BTRFS support
I wonder if they're planning to reverse that, if support in Fedora is being promoted
wet pilot
I'll probably keep on spelling it. It's like the weirdos who say ctl as cuttle
subtle pasture
Yeah, RedHat put the kibosh on BTRFS support back in 2017
Maybe they're reversing that decision
wet pilot
Who knows
brisk glen
APFS 😛
late gate
I use btrfs too on synology , but lower performance of course. On 4x 10tb with 2x 1tb m2 cache drives. Get max 110mb/s from the pool with shr. in general it never bothered me unless I move a 100tb tv series pack or so
Used ext4 before and that performed a bit better. Only thing I don’t like is synology force btrfs features on docker like cloning etc
And no vm without btrfs
thick dragon
Anyone got any idea where I'd be able to get a Google Coral in 🇦🇺 ? The seller on Amazon wants to charge $59 for the Coral and $70 for the shipping...
late gate
eBay maybe?
If you get them that cheap get multiple if you are running frigate as it supports multiple corals
thick dragon
That's the RRP for them.
I also only have 3 cameras which are only about 5fps, not gonna need multiple 😛
late gate
If mouser sends to au I highly recommend them original stuff on electronic as esp boards etc and usually free shipping https://no.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Coral/G950-01456-01?qs=u16ybLDytRbcxxqFKdbhgQ%3D%3D
I bought most of my nodemcu and zigbee from them. A bit over eBay prices but using higher quality components
thick dragon
They don't have any stock of them. Already checked.
late gate
What it say 1200 in stock on the webpage
thick dragon
Ahh, they don't sell in AU. So they make it look like they don't have stock.
late gate
Maybe it exists forwarders?
valid halo
Howdy y'all how goes the Automaton?
late gate
I sadly don’t know too much about shipping to au. I’m in Norway and know the pain of shipping
Automation of?
thick dragon
🇦🇺 , not 🇺🇸 - hence the difficulties 😛
valid halo
Just asking in general non specific terms.
late gate
Yeah my keyboard changed au to us lol
@valid halo i guess it’s a better question for automations category
thick dragon
Just thought of a bad programming joke.
What's the plural of a tuple? A MULtuple of course!
forest edge
did people wearing lab coats teach you that when you were very young?
subtle pasture
@late gate I mean, 110mbps is close to the limit of gigabit ethernet. You sure you're not limited there?
late gate
No that’s local copy not over Ethernet
I can do some real speeds in terminal
What speeds are you seeing?
subtle pasture
Doing an 11 GB copy, seeing it bounce between 150 MB/s and 500 MB/s
Though that's asking the NAS to read and write from the same volume at the same time, so you'll never get to see what your true max read/write speeds are
This is on a Synology RackStation RS2414rp+, so I'm limited to 4x 1gbps NICs myself
And an Intel Atom D2700 😛
Looks like it's quite possible to use 2.5 gbps and 5 gbps USB 3.0 ethernet adapters, though it's not officially supported by Synology at this time: https://www.reddit.com/r/synology/comments/fkb3gm/proof_of_concept_25_gbps_usb_ethernet_adapter/
This guy pulled 250 MB/s over a USB 3.0 2.5 gigabit ethernet adapter ^
late gate
That’s btrfs and shr?
subtle pasture
He doesn't specify
Though if you're getting stuck at 110 MB/s reading and writing simultaneously, getting about double that when doing a one-way transfer seems pretty reasonable
late gate
110 is on a good day. Might drop to 80
subtle pasture
O.o
late gate
Nothing to say it’s something wrong
subtle pasture
I've never seen my NAS not max-out a single gigabit link, even while doing a rebuild...
And it's connected to my core switch over dual gigabit (LACP), so it should be able to service multiple gigabit transfers simultaneously
Like, I know BTRFS has some overhead, but it's not that bad
late gate
Let me do some real disk tests in ssh before I’m too worried. I don’t like some of the design choices of synology like I’m having 2tb m2 cache. It should use that as direct write and read cache with write to disk
subtle pasture
I'm not using any SSD cache currently, but that's a planned upgrade
Maybe some more RAM while I'm at it
late gate
I’m thinking about the cache under the box. The two slots
It’s just used for rapid use files, not for rw performance
subtle pasture
And it will let you use an SSD as write cache, but it requires a minimum of two SSDs to enable write caching
subtle pasture
Hmm, it should automatically populate with "hot" data as you use the NAS
late gate
Yeah it’s not
subtle pasture
There's a pie graph that shows you cache usage so you can verify
late gate
It has no impact on speed
subtle pasture
Hmmm
late gate
Only impact if you have a file that’s usually used, then it’s cached
But say while you download or transcode you can’t cache that
subtle pasture
I've only ever used a Synology with SSD cache once, and it was a datastore for ESXi, so almost 100% virtual machine storage
It worked great for that
late gate
This might have a change in dsm7
subtle pasture
Not sure there'd be much benefit to adding SSD cache to simple bulk file storage, though
late gate
Not much. I just had two 1tb ssd m2
It gives some so why not
I also need to get more ram into it
But hard to find compatible ram
Crusal is a no go
Crusal struggles with nvm
subtle pasture
What, does it require ECC SODIMMs or something?
late gate
Depends on what box
I have a ds920+
So no ecc
But from 2020 they detect non genuine ram and give you a warning
late gate
I bought some Samsung ram as it looks most similar
Too much so that can be a problem
Cpu support 8gb max on paper
I try with 12 now
Got a 16 crusal here but not going to use it from the reviews
Probably it won’t use more than 8 anyways
But I run Plex, sonar, radar and surveillance station (surprised how low resources it’s using) and time machine backups so most is plenty
4gb ram is on the edge
I’m coming from unraid with 64gb ram where I could Plex transcode to ram so a bit different
subtle pasture
Ah, gotcha, you've got all that actually running on the NAS itself
I have a couple virtualization hosts, so plex has its own VM on independent hardware
Mostly so I can upgrade the hardware to handle my transcoding requirements, as needed
late gate
I tested the volume and it show 433mb/s but i never get close when copying local. Need more tests
subtle pasture
late gate
I just keep it simple. It’s my third nas now
subtle pasture
5gbps USB ethernet adapter driver for Apollo Lake based Synology NASs ^
Basically lets you use the USB ethernet adapter QNAP released for their NASs 😛
subtle pasture
Heh, I mean, you could do that I suppose. Synology supports docker
glossy jay
yup. i got it up and running... just can't figure out how to acquire and get this part into it:
https://github.com/home-assistant/core/tree/dev/homeassistant/components/dyson
late gate
I. Actually have no need for massive over network. I run both 1gb agreggated on the switch. Gives 1gb but two 1gb lines so can copy at full gbit and still leave another free
I don’t run ha on nas. I run ha on a nuc actually
Nas is storage, camera, ups handling, downloads etc
hushed basalt
Synology is dead to me
When your SHR just self destructs one day it leaves a bitter taste in your mouth
hollow glacier
unraid ftw
hollow glacier
the btrfs kernel page isnt super pretty
hushed basalt
50% utilisation but I can swap out a pair of drives at a time
Unlike 6 with raidz2
hollow glacier
hushed basalt
Cheaper and simpler in reality. For home use.
hollow glacier
speaking of
i installed hass on a rpi4 for my buddy with an ssd in a usb3 enclosure
that thing isnt slow
late gate
@hushed basalt it doesn’t seem anyone agree on this. Now synology is not running btrfs raid just an overlay. Running unraid is too much overhead for my use. Been running unraid for years, but in the end I never had issues with synology. I also can’t stand unraid is Slackware and using horrible security on the fs
I decided to not have an opinion on btrfs on synology before I tested the options better
subtle pasture
Yeah, Synology never used BTRFS's built-in RAID
They use BTRFS as a file system on top of LVM
BTRFS provides snapshots, encryption, compression, and bit-rot correction, LVM provides RAID / pooling / redundancy
wet pilot
is it meant to be the Linux license compatible ZFS?
subtle pasture
That's why Synology wasn't fussed when issues were discovered with BTRFS's own built-in RAID 5 implementation, they weren't using it
wet pilot
since the license for ZFS isn't compatible?
subtle pasture
@wet pilot That's one of their goals, for sure
subtle pasture
Little bit funny, both ZFS and BTRFS originate from Oracle
wet pilot
heh
subtle pasture
BTRFS was Oracle's competitor to Sun's ZFS.. and then Oracle bought Sun
late gate
I have a morning meeting, it’s 05:26am and I’m discussing btrfs. Insomnia ftw even after the 4th ambien
wet pilot
oof
subtle pasture
heh, same actually
ITNation starts at 6:00 AM my time
And my boss wants me to attend (virtually, of course)
last cedar
You will walk in and just fall over and sleep
late gate
Well I’m at my 6 ambien, 7 Valium and 5 transdol with no effect
late gate
Been there
Been everywhere
After the cancer nothing works
I don’t even get any narcotic effects from any drugs legal of course so they think I might be quite immune.
So not taking for fun cause it’s no fun effect out of it
I don’t smoke, drink alcohol or any illegal drugs
supple moss
😦
dusky plank
clear ferry
🍆
supple moss
i just realized i haven't finished my beer, and it's past 1AM
supple moss
wth is a Webasto
clear ferry
Only the biggest engine and drivers compartment heater manufacturer in the world 🤣
storm niche
What do you guys think about Home Pod Mini?
Im curious because it will be 99$, and Siri is the only Assistant which can understand my language if its using Shortcuts, anyhow none of the assistants supports normally hungarian language
supple moss
echo dot guy here. i guess it's their answer to the dot. Homepod == Echo, Home Pod Mini == Echo Dot ?
storm niche
= Google Mini
supple moss
the dots are also like, $25
supple moss
ah
storm niche
I would stay with google because working pretty good with HA but they should add more languages
clear ferry
We have no use for Alexa's here as Amazon has no presence
supple moss
😳
storm niche
Nice thats my dream too
clear ferry
Apple products are just pretentious cunts, so those will probably sell yet never be used by some here
supple moss
alexa is amazon and yes that's bad, but alexa is platform agnostic
clear ferry
Hard to sell a product in a country you don't exist and most of the populace has no idea who you are @supple moss
clear ferry
No Norway
supple moss
you're kidding. i didn't know!
clear ferry
I think only three countries in Europe have Amazon presence
supple moss
i wanted to move t norway, too..
or somewhere in the arctic circle. better quality of life i hear
clear ferry
Yes it is
supple moss
i pine for the fjords
clear ferry
I fjord for the pines
storm niche
Hungary is poor country now really, so this is why Amazon does not want to provide here really, Apple stuffs too expensive for us, we should stay with Google, but should be compatible with the Language...
thats my way of thinking 😄
supple moss
sorry to hear about the poor language support
storm niche
Would be good to get some language support, I really like to use it.
and im using TTS answers from the HA automations on hungarian language, but would be good to say something to the device in hungarian.
dusky plank
delivery of my sensors took 2 days from china to austria - time for austrian customs to check it: 10 days and counting
storm niche
ahh are you from austria?
rapid tendon
aaaah it's SO nice no longer needing to pick and choose which addons to have running due to RAM limitations
subtle pasture
Heh, how much RAM did you have before?
rapid tendon
Not Enough lol. let me boot up the old pi and see
subtle pasture
Heh, Pi 2 and 3 both had 1GB of RAM standard
You weren't running it on an old Pi 1, were you? O.o
clear ferry
Pi 🤢
subtle pasture
@clear ferry Shit works, yo
rapid tendon
why do you always react to things so negatively, atx?
subtle pasture
Mine all seem to work fine... I have one acting as a print server, another is attached to my 3D printer and running OctoPrint, there's the one running HomeAssistant...
Also, crab-bot here (under construction)
clear ferry
I'll get back to installing my 128core \ 796GB systems thank you
🤣
it does scale to 896 core \ 64TB though, I should get the customer to upgrade
clear ferry
🤏
subtle pasture
Throw shade all you like, plenty of pi-based projects around
clear ferry
Sure, nice kids toys 😄
rapid tendon
hey i mean, if you wanna give me a donation, i'll happily accept more powerful hardware, or funding for more powerful hardware
dusky plank
backslash notations 🤮
subtle pasture
Last time I checked, kids don't play with print servers
I use Pis as enslaved single-task workhorses
clear ferry
I don't know about you, but I started playing with servers when I was.... 9 or 10
rapid tendon
Congrats.
rapid tendon
I was taking apart computers at age 4
Much to the horror of my babysitter.
subtle pasture
This ^
clear ferry
I was tearing them down and rebuilding them at age 6
which came in handy
so my father sent me around to repair computers
dusky plank
I destroyed them till i was 16
rapid tendon
yeah I started being able to put things back together about that age
without /too/ many pieces left over
clear ferry
in days where you had to have some notion about what a jumper was 😉
Not like these days where everything is plug and play
rapid tendon
*plug and pray
dusky plank
stuff was just trash at that time, plastic broke, pins got lose
rapid tendon
It still is, mstone
clear ferry
pfff, shit lasted for decades
rapid tendon
even more so now
clear ferry
I'm pretty sure it was @dusky plank
subtle pasture
Built my first system at 11. Athlon XP 1500+ and a GeForce 2 Ti
clear ferry
When that came out I was in vocational school I think 🤔
subtle pasture
That would have been 2001
rapid tendon
i got hired to be a code monkey fresh out of high school
ended up staying in the IT field since
subtle pasture
I went for an AA in Computer Graphics... then wound up in IT. lol
clear ferry
I just dabbled in computers and suddenly got hired to a senior technical position at age 22 🤣
I tried college, didn't work out
rapid tendon
I accidentally fixed a project that was supposed to be the span of my 6 month contract with the company
During the first week of training
clear ferry
🤣
rapid tendon
a bandaid fix, but still, reducing loading time from 5 mins to ~10 seconds
dusky plank
college is not for everyone... i told my professor his password in cleartext and how I found out about in the first semester, nearly got kicked out
rapid tendon
I put a copy of the project on my laptop, and it ran way better on a linux machine than the osx based machine it had been livign on lol
clear ferry
Story of my life starting in a enterprise company, my manager says what product do you want to work with? and I reply I have to choose? now I work with mostly any product we have ever sold, and I am the only one who works with.... 15 of them in norway and large parts of scandinavia
dusky plank
VOLVO
clear ferry
I remember my last OEM PC, it was an ibm aptiva 90mhz I think
rapid tendon
It had so many issues that Dell ended up sending me replacement parts with instructions on how to replace the bits myself instead of having to send it in each time something broke
clear ferry
think I might have upgraded it to a 133 at some point
subtle pasture
My last OEM PC was a dual-Pentium 3 workstation that my school threw out. lol
Tossed a graphics card in there, installed Windows 2000, and got to play around with Quake III with multithreading enabled
clear ferry
I had a dual pentium3 I picked up from the local county, it had been used as a database server for the local nursing home
subtle pasture
Hot shit, back in the day
clear ferry
it was called "viagra"
it had a nice tag on top with the name
used it for a pfsense router for.... many years
dusky plank
I still use viagra today
rapid tendon
After I got the bandaid fix for that system i mentioned, I then setup a proper server frankenstined from desktop spare parts they had about for them
and then started on working on fixing the issue properly
and i got to learn the mind of the coder who built that tool...
From what I could tell, the project started off as a simple application to enter data, and have each entry be listed on the page.
And then, when the list got too long, pagination was hacked atop that list.
And then, when too many pages happened, search was hacked atop that.
rapid tendon
So, it started off with a "SELECT * FROM tablename"
clear ferry
I haven't touched any stuff since I tried out java in 2009
rapid tendon
in the project origins
clear ferry
and before that I dabbled in php in 2000
rapid tendon
and the developer never learned how to perform limits
rapid tendon
everything. the search. the pagination. all atop the "SELECT *"
clear ferry
Hey, I know that one
rapid tendon
and then was processed in PHP to output just the desired records
clear ferry
rapid tendon
oh and then... and then... this same dev put together an entire CMS
A centralized login to allow customers to sign in and edit their pages, all from one cms.company.name url!
clear ferry
I should make an automation that turns off my VCF lab whenever there are no users connected for more than an hour
rapid tendon
roudned corners, drag and drop menu ordering
clear ferry
and powers it on via a webhook
rapid tendon
How did clients sign in?
With their site's mysql creds of course!
and all sorts of lovely code such as...
the EXIF display system
One client, a photographer, wanted to have EXIF data displayed from photos they uploaded
So the code was implemented so that, on each editor page load, the CMS would:
- get a directory listing of the image upload directory
- process each image to get the exif data
- format it all into a nice output
- Then check to see if it was the client that wanted this info before deciding whether to show this formatted data, or discard it to show the normal image listing
For every client. For every time the editor was loaded.
dusky plank
rapid tendon
I'm so glad that the update to php 5.somethign killed it lol
Oh yeah, the weirdest bug it had was one that caused it to run out of memory server side somehow.... if the firefox version was too high
clear ferry
aaaaah the difference 10G makes on vmotion
I hate initial install phases where customer hasn't configured all interfaces
supple moss
😮
rapid tendon
going from literally hundreds of php files
to nine
sure mine was uglier, and didn't have drag and drop menu ordering (Which clients didn't care about anyways as it turned out, they were happy with auto ordered)
but I implemented revisions 😄
dusky plank
c o l d f u s i o n and a c t i v e s c r i p t
supple moss
nnonnnoooonooo mstone
dusky plank
I have seen things
rapid tendon
converting asp to php
having a shared hosting server getting pwnt and the attacker wiping /home and having to rebuild sites based on partial backups, archive.org content and google cache
supple moss
i had a Drupal 7 client once where the site was compromised. it "looked" ok but there was malware/spam/etc injected all over the place
it was just after their rebrand. we had to scrap the project
rapid tendon
Oh yeah. I spent so many hours scrubbing out infected wordpress sites lol
supple moss
DrupalGeddon 2010-ish
rapid tendon
Strangely enough, a lot of the hacks stopped after i implemented measures that prevented clients from using weak af passwords 🤔
supple moss
rapid tendon
i had tried before but the boss would always bend for the customer and tell me to revert changes
until one day... he paid for a "server hardening" service from our host
rapid tendon
and so i just went in and made things even more hardened
supple moss
nice
rapid tendon
and just told him, when clients complained about needing to have a secured password, "Well, I could change the security settings, but we did pay all that money to make things more secure..."
and that would make him get a backbone and tell them theyd' have to suck it up lol
rapid tendon
sleep well twix
supple moss
🌙
clear ferry
BAWSTAWN
rapid tendon
ayyy my automation kicked in, lights dimming at bedtime 🙂
I honestly had forgotten to check in on that after restoring from backup
clear ferry
Think I have to log out of skype for good
I'm fucking tired of people hitting me up on skype, it is pretty useless compared to teams
deft pewter
Wait, there's something more useless than Teams?
I don't use it on Windows but on my MBP, it often freezes and I have to restart the app to see new messages.
clear ferry
I have no issues with teams
deft pewter
Wouldn't mind if that was just an occasional thing... but it's multiple times per day, often mid-meeting.
clear ferry
it has been the single greatest application I've used in the last 5 years
mighty pecan
Hey people, the bot asked to introduce myself before asking my question(s)... I've been using home assistant for quiet some time now, maybe well over a year. Having an IT background makes it a good playground for entering the IoT world. 😉 So far I have "Smart" Radiator Thermostats, a couple of wifi and a hue power socket and starting with some LED stuff (magic home controllers) currently 😉
clear ferry
sounds like a Mac issue, I use teams in native desktop on windows and linux, and webclient
I have none of those issues
deft pewter
Yeah, I expect you're right. The current Mac build must be wonky. I've only had the issue the past month or so.
deft pewter
You can do video calling with it?
deft pewter
Teams fully supports the following Internet browsers, with noted exceptions for calling and meetings
Looks like Chrome can do it all
I'll try it out today. Thanks for the suggestion.
deft pewter
Safari is even weirder... incoming video only? 🤔
clear ferry
hey, that is a handy workaround for having multiple orgs open at the same time @light trout
just open multiple browser windows
I have one org open in the app and one in browser right now
deft pewter
Another clever use of porn mode.
light trout
Think of the RAM!
deft pewter
Uh, I mean... incognito
light trout
I'm done with teams anyway, so don't matter for me 😅
deft pewter
You guys use The Great Suspender extension with Chrome? It's great for suspending tabs you haven't interacted with in a while and cutting back on all the bloat in Chrome.
light trout
I used it before I upgraded from 16 -> 32, was nice
deft pewter
I prefer Chrome. My only complaint is the resource hogging but that extension sorts it.
mighty pecan
You guys use The Great Suspender extension with Chrome? It's great for suspending tabs you haven't interacted with in a while and cutting back on all the bloat in Chrome.
@deft pewter does it have to reload the tab when revisiting?
clear ferry
No wonder I used up my mobile data so fast, my camera stream uses 48Mbps
🤣
gotta watch that 3d printer
deft pewter
Yes, Jude. You come back to a tab that's suspended... click anywhere in the tab and you're back at the page you were on.
By default, it won't suspend pages with forms, so you can't lose a half-completed form you forgot about. You can also add exceptions.
mighty pecan
By default, it won't suspend pages with forms, so you can't lose a half-completed form you forgot about. You can also add exceptions.
@deft pewter hehe, so you're using dozends of tabs usually too?
deft pewter
48GB of RAM? WTH do you do with that machine?
Dozens? That sounds like an incredibly low number...
mighty pecan
I usually have... 250+ tabs open at once
@clear ferry for that i miss the tab addons from firefox
deft pewter
Exactly. That's why they invented tabs, right?
clear ferry
I never miss addons, I just open more tabs!
mighty pecan
people tell me to use bookmarks
or they feel i use tabs as bookmarks
can you see anyhwere how many tabs you have opened in all windows? 😆
deft pewter
Bookmarks are things you want to come back to way in the future. Tabs are things you plan to come back to soon. Easy.
Plans change... 🤣
clear ferry
I should pool all the memory I have in house @deft pewter 🤔 128 + 64 + 48 + 12 + 12 + 4 + 1 for powered on systems right now
mighty pecan
I never miss addons, I just open more tabs!
@clear ferry sadly unlike firefox chrome doesnt allow the tab management to be modded...
deft pewter
The 128 and 64 are servers, right? Those make sense.
clear ferry
That would be my freenas and my vmware lab respectfully
velvet horizonBOT
deft pewter
Man. That's a lot of RAM. I'm sitting here on 16GB on my main machine. I game on it and never saw the need for more.
clear ferry
RAM == cache for storage you know
and for vmware 64GB is nothing, I've eaten that up already I need to find more
Running a nested hypervisor lab
deft pewter
Clearly I don't run half as much stuff as you 😄
clear ferry
to emulate vsan \ nsx and more
deft pewter
I don't even know how much RAM is in my 'server'...
deft pewter
4GB in the crappy old workstation I'm using for Proxmox+HA
clear ferry
I need to get kubernetes up and running
deft pewter
I feel like I should learn kubernetes but everything my dept does is AWS. We're switching mostly to lambdas/steps now.
clear ferry
I should learn that...
reminds me I have AWS labs today
getting ready for the exam
deft pewter
Step functions are awesome. This is my first big project working with them and they're easy enough to pick up. Really helps with forcing you to properly encapsulate behaviour too.
Our main service is only a few years old but was written as a monolith. It's gross 🤢
Also means we're paying for a bunch of EC2's, even when there's no demand.
Steps... only pay for what you use. Win.
deft pewter
Which certs are you sitting? I don't have any yet and my bosses want us all to start sitting them.
Think I'll take it easy and do the Dev Associate one (or whatever it's called)
mighty pecan
Man, did I by accident join the It Administration Discord? Just kidding... we're far from using anything modern... despite business central now using docker for development
clear ferry
just cloud practitioner
deft pewter
There's a pretty decent overlap between HA fans and developers/ops folk here, Jude. Lots of nerd talk.
Of course, if you scroll back a bit, you'll see plenty of shittalking too.
Anyway, I'm off to work now (by which I mean I'm gonna toggle the KVM). Ciao.
mighty pecan
I'm pretty handy with docker nowadays too... even got hassio to proxy via file provider in traefik reverse proxy, since you can't really manage the labels on your hassio docker containers
clear ferry
well, you shouldn't touch docker with hassio 🤣
mighty pecan
huh?
clear ferry
it is a locked down appliance, fiddling not supported
if you run #449717345808547842 on the other hand
mighty pecan
actually i'm not 100% sure which method i used to install
clear ferry
do you have addons ?
mighty pecan
i have it installed on my small NAS
clear ferry
what is the base OS ? HAOS or something else ?
mighty pecan
debian
clear ferry
then #330944238910963714 is your installation method
which only lives for the grace of turing so far
it was supposed to die
mighty pecan
grace of turing?
k, why is it telling me that this one an unsupported installation?
clear ferry
Good question, better ask in #330944238910963714 I don't touch supervised or hassio stuff 😉
mighty pecan
is thre some collection of info that shows the difference between all methods? maybe even a guide on switching from supervised to container or so if thats suggested nowadays?
clear ferry
well that was interesting, I forgot I had a smart plug connected to my desktop, and I found a tasmota plug that I didn't remember what was
so i toggled it
velvet horizonBOT
mighty pecan
i mean i would even run it in a compose file, wouldnt that be troublesome with hassi
hassio*
Oh, so no addons with container
clear ferry
you aren't supposed to touch docker with hassio
mighty pecan
thats a bummer
mighty pecan
you don't? you run everything seperately? like nodered and mosquito?
mighty pecan
i have my hassio running on a udoo x86 ultra, beefy for a "developer" board, but not as much that i would want to run a dedicated vm just with homeassistant_os i think
mighty pecan
whats you base os, freenas?
clear ferry
yes
clear ferry
clear ferry
sure I do, I've run debian since 2001
but zfs is a superior storage filesystem and omv does... a lot of strange things
mighty pecan
zfs is supported on debian/omv too
clear ferry
zol isn't kosher for me 🤣
mighty pecan
didnt they recently streamline both development trees?
clear ferry
no zol will never be part of the linux kernel
clear ferry
sure, but zol still will never be in the kernel
mighty pecan
and that worries you?
clear ferry
yes, unless it is in the kernel, I'm not interested 🤣
it's a base requirement for me, if the kernel doesn't support a filesystem, I won't use it
clever mortar
In theory you just set the options in NGINX and away you go
clear ferry
exactly
clever mortar
The HTTP Upgrade mechanism used to upgrade the connection from HTTP to WebSocket uses the Upgrade and Connection headers
Reality turns out to be an angry hydra
clear ferry
All I'm doing in nginx is this ``` }
server {
listen 8883;
server_name mosquitto.domain.net
location / {
proxy_pass http://192.168.1.40:9001;
proxy_http_version 1.1;
proxy_set_header Upgrade $http_upgrade;
proxy_set_header Connection "Upgrade";
proxy_set_header Host $host;
}
}
oh wait......
I played with ports yesterday, I only forwarded 8883 not 9001
Ignore me, carry on
damn you tink, always making me see my own errors
clever mortar
clear ferry
no wait... that should still work
clever mortar
I have secret powers to break or fix things just by being in the vague vicinity
clear ferry
because nginx is listening to 8883 and the container running mosquitto is listening to 9001
🤔
eh, let me clean up ports so I only have one to think about
I'm probably screwing myself over
so, connecting to http://192.168.1.40:9001 with mqtt explorer works fine
so the service is listening
mighty summit
Looking for some ideas here...
Last night my Proxmox server rebooted for no obvious reason (still going through logs to find the cause).
This server being a Proliant ML350 Gen6, it takes a long time to post (4mins isn't uncommon for these devices).
All in all, it took about 7 minutes before HA to come back online.
During that time, I hadn't realized the server was rebooting.
clear ferry
if it was an uncontrolled reboot it should be logged in the IML
mighty summit
Need ideas about getting notified while HA is away.
I was thinking ESP32, because with Pi i need to maintain yet another OS
clear ferry
4 minutes isn't that bad a BL660c G6 with 1 TB ram will take 45 minutes to get to POST
mighty summit
But ESP32 has only 1 way to reach out (when HA or MQTT are out), that's http post/get
mighty pecan
just had a 40 minute call with a third party for integrating a new ecommerce system... on that note: #FuckGDPR (from a you have to comply with it standpoint)
clear ferry
lol gdpr, I'm glad I don't have to deal with that stuff
instead of making a notification for HA down, fix your server @mighty summit
@clever mortar wtf am I doing wrong ? 🤣
dusky plank
curl your way through?
clear ferry
Curl your enthusiasm
I've never proxied a ws:// before 🤔
but everything I find says it should behave like http://
and that is confirmed by curling to http://192.168.1.40:9001
dusky plank
it should, yes. except for the upgrade and modern browsers force ssl to make it work
clear ferry
I already have a certificate in place in nginx that uses wildcard
so it should just work
light trout
Change the proxypass from http to ws, and use wss to connect
clear ferry
really ? none of the guides I find do that
light trout
🤷♂️ I don't do guides
dusky plank
proxypass does only http, at least in apache
clear ferry
Protocol "wss" not supported or disabled in libcurl 🤔
light trout
yeah, you need a WS client to do WS
clear ferry
so the mqtt explorer I've used all along then
which only supports ws:// and mqtt:// in the dropdown
dusky plank
light trout
It probably havea ssl toggle somewher that slaps another s to the ws protocol
dusky plank
will do when i got time
dusky plank
192.168.1.40 doesnt respond with these settings?
clever mortar
Getting websockets through NGINX has proven to be .... challenging in the past, thankfully I've not needed it 😄
dusky plank
bit in your graphic it listens to 9002 🧐
clear ferry
and via curl ```
eirikz@raspberrypi:~ $ curl http://192.168.1.40:9001
curl: (52) Empty reply from server
look at the drawing further up
light trout
Oh, so you did not actually look at the trafic, just the UI.....
clear ferry
there are no connections to the server atleast
light trout
their dropdown probably does not update with the SSL flag, even if the traffic does
clear ferry
might it all be for nought anyway, esphome doesn't appear to support mqtt with tls
and tasmota requires compiling from source it seems to support it 🤔
no point in using the apis of them as I will have the devices placed outside my network with potential IP address changes
and I want to secure the connection
well ws:// never worked with the swag container it seems anyway @light trout
nginx: [emerg] invalid URL prefix in /config/nginx/nginx.conf:139
hushed basalt
Any aussies grabbed any interesting Prime day deals? :aus:
Also cloud practitioner, what a waste of an exam
strange vapor
hearty depot
yea.. I defenitly need this sensor 🙄
du -h home-assistant_v2.db
15.0G home-assistant_v2.db
sqlite 🤢
dusky plank
will try sqlite soon again for my setup, some dutch told me it improved in performance lately
dusky plank
my little 1bay nas hates me already
dusky plank
you will puke when I tell you I run mysql mounted via nfs
ah, whatever i tell you, you will puke
clear ferry
NFS is fine, if you know how to do it
💌
well I did figure out what caused my explorer to freeze randomly the other day
nfs services for windows
even though I had no active nfs shares
hushed basalt
🇦🇺
@clear ferry It doesn't count as a country if you have to share a border with Sweden
You're just the cold frosty bits they didn't want
rare condor
Europe is basically whole bunch of countries that like to squabble with each other and "explore" new lands 😉
clear ferry
that looks like what americans think europe look like
hushed basalt
clear ferry
clever mortar
That's pretty much how the English treat Scotland....
clear ferry
YOU'LL FIND THAT THIS IS INDEED LEGAL TENDER
hushed basalt
clear ferry
clever mortar
I loved using pound notes in England after they were withdrawn there, and still issued up here 😄
The reactions were priceless
clever mortar
You can come over, you just may never leave...
https://tenor.com/view/eagles-singing-concert-on-a-dark-desert-highway-hotel-california-gif-11879140
clear ferry
Yes
although Hell Freezes Over
is the ultimate Eagles
We never broke up, we just took a 14 year vacation
clever mortar
Yup, loved that one
hushed basalt
Did you ever watch that Danny Boyle movie Millions
jovial marten
what channel would be suitable to try and figure out if i can add an Android tablet as a 'media player' ?
hushed basalt
Where the GBP was abolished for Euros
jovial marten
I want to be able to use TTS on it
clever mortar
forest edge
you all get a little out of control in here
how you enjoying jersey life?
oh snap there was a lightning deal for two reolink poe cameras for 50 bucks lol
last dirge
"hey marketing people, can we get an email template so our system generated emails don't look so bad?"
"let's just connect to MailChimp"
clear ferry
I don't understand how you haven't gone postal yet
working with all the idiots you frequently mention @last dirge
clear ferry
I got both of those, I would still go postal
last dirge
they've added me to a new "enterprise architecture" team
clear ferry
that just sounds like more work
last dirge
yeah
clear ferry
last dirge
this afternoon I have a meeting for the SSO solution they chose
which they paid a vendor to do
after another dev and I found a FOSS solution
because "we didn't want to pay for new server hardware"
last dirge
even after we wrote a library for the FOSS solution that would allow apps to use it by simply adding like 4 lines in a config file
clear ferry
I just have to deal with you guys as a form of purgatory
Il purgatoria
Dante would call this the 9th ring
last dirge
and the best part, there's a commercial solution offered by RedHat that's built on a fork of the same FOSS solution
it's whatever
I'm just punching the clock now
forest edge
you could almost wire your whole home with cat6 for super cheap just off these flat patch cord deals lol
last dirge
@clear ferry might be seriously considering expatriating
clear ferry
More people should
@green inlet is moving to norway to get annual raises and work as a midget wrestler
clear ferry
eh, I've never heard anyone not get a permanent residence here
that didn't come here on false premises
last dirge
and not snowy
clear ferry
Snow == Rulez
forest edge
no one wants to move to your iceberg atx!
clear ferry
Sorry, you can't come sonoma 😦
forest edge
to tall for that ride.. 😕
forest edge
and shoes, and walk on knees.. thats noway to live!
forest edge
can't believe some of the crap I ordered yesterday is being delivered today from amazon lol
clear ferry
green inlet
I kinda chuckle at people that fear the US is getting so bad they have to leave. To each is own but this too shall pass 😉
If there is even really a this that needs to pass.
clear ferry
forest edge
@green inlet it's not the US, just California lol
green inlet
ATX, does HPE allow full beards and mullets along with jeans and t-shirts?
last dirge
"we had to sideload this package because it's unsupported for this old version of RedHat"
OMG
clear ferry
brb install red hat santiago
forest edge
was that suppose to be a reference to Carmen Sandiego?
holy hell the new mail lady is smoking hot lol
you know times gotta be rough when models apply for the postal service
dusky plank
pics or it didn't happen
clear ferry
forest edge
@clear ferry did you get permission from your wife before posting that?
clear ferry
yes, she cleared it with your girlfriend, she said she would enjoy some more exposure
green inlet
Sonoma, a USPS lady is better than going to the grocery store. All you have to do is sit back and enjoy the show once a day 😳
green inlet
If you are lucky, one day you will be too
last dirge
pushin 50
clear ferry
just one of my three firefox windows 🤔
clear ferry
clear ferry
forest edge
could you image if atx was one of those kids that got the golden ticket for the willy wonka movvie
clear ferry
forest edge
pretty sure they would have thrown you in the chocolate river
last cedar
It would have to be raw chocolate
clear ferry
Some IT terms just make me giggle a lot whenever they are used for marketing crap
like "Penetration test"
but now I learned a new one with AWS
"Snowballing"
last dirge
yikes
subtle pasture
@clear ferry I giggle every time I turn on CBT in vSphere
subtle pasture
"It stands for Changed Block Tracking!"
"Yeah... that's what that stands for..."
clear ferry
I'm guessing you don't mean the cognetive behavioral version
but.. the other one...
@forest edge favorite
subtle pasture
The version where the "T" stands for "Torture," yes
clear ferry
mmmmmm