#the-water-cooler
night zodiac
hoy fuck, I didn't realize how small the wyze sense stuff is, haha
night zodiac
lol, this wyze stuff was $20
unreal orbit
@clear ferry update discord then. Or use a real computer
night zodiac
link me stuff to buy
clear ferry
xiaomi sensors are less than $10
night zodiac
this was 2 door, 1 motion, and the hub for $20
I'll buy anything people say is good though
especially if they're green
clear ferry
h8 u h8 u wouldn't d8 u @unreal orbit 😦
better disable @unreal orbit plex access on my server
night zodiac
rekt
unreal orbit
clear ferry
dull chasm
☹️
dull chasm
😢
night zodiac
is she ok
scenic radish
ANNIE, YOU OK?
clever mortar
clear ferry
HEEEE-HEEE
fallen furnace
Just out of curiosity, has anyone made attempts to connect their garage to HA?
unreal orbit
yes
clear ferry
Well, depends on your definition, I have so much stuff in my garage
That a I have lot of connections from HA to my garage
HA even runs in my garage
oooof, ordering my 3d printer now
with 2x filaments to start with 
unreal orbit
what color?
clear ferry
black and purple PLA
unreal orbit
yikes
fallen furnace
Sorry, meant to say the garage door
unreal orbit
I had some issues with the black filament that I ordered
fallen furnace
@clear ferry Wait till you see my pile of filament rolls
clear ferry
I built my own garage door opener system @fallen furnace
fallen furnace
Unfortunately I don't have a choice with changing the garage door opener due to us renting this place
clear ferry
Ordering from the biggest 3dprinter shop in norway, that brand their own filament and state the quality is good @unreal orbit so hopefully good
fallen furnace
I wonder if there's a way with sending radio signal to trigger it like a garage door opener button
fallen furnace
ooohhh okay, what did you use/built
unreal orbit
@fallen furnace just get an extra wireless remote and solder a wifi relay to it
clear ferry
I just did a protoboard + 230v->5v + wemos d1 mini + project box + esphome
unreal orbit
esphome 🤢
clear ferry
unreal orbit
you're a monster
scenic radish
Jk, I realize things are different outside the US
clear ferry
no you don't!
unreal orbit
If by different you mean wrong, then yes
austere minnow
If by different you mean wrong, then yes
@unreal orbit no, working
unreal orbit
scenic radish
I think I have a problem...I want to buy a 4-pack of smart plugs with energy monitoring that I don't need because they can still be tuya-converted and it's fun to do that
And I'm afraid eventually I won't be able to get stuff that can be tuya-converted in the future
unreal orbit
scenic radish
I don't need them lol
unreal orbit
scenic radish
But maybe the fun alone will be worth $24?
unreal orbit
Or you can spend the time actually learning to write python 🙂
scenic radish
Wut?
wet pilot
burn
unreal orbit
Grow your knowledge instead of doing things you're comfortable with 🙂
Or buy the plugs and send them to me
scenic radish
unreal orbit
scenic radish
I don't know why learning Python has to do with me enjoying tuya-converting cheap smart plugs lol
unreal orbit
Just something else to spend the time on
unreal orbit
I need to learn to python too so I can fix a couple integrations that have been giving me trouble 😓
I get the basics, then I look at the code of an integration + the library for the integration and it's like
flat needle
I have unraid - which install approach should I be looking at? I could do a VM image, or some sort of docker setup. From what I gather, the homeassistant docker doesn't do any addons automatically?
My current install is an ubuntu vm + the native linux approach w/ supervisor + HA running inside of dockers on that
scenic radish
I write shitty tiny programs that work but are hacky at best lol
unreal orbit
Everything in python feels hacky
scenic radish
If you can use VMs and don't want to learn docker, then I'd run #330990055533576204 in a VM
flat needle
Well, I know docker pretty well too - but is that general consideration correct - the HA docker doesn't do addons by itself? I'd have to setup nodered and similar myself?
but VMs are just heavier weight generally
Cool, I'll just VM it, I have server capacity to spare
scenic radish
I will say I'm happy with my #449717345808547842 install
unreal orbit
"addons" are just docker containers that are handled by the supervisor. It's not difficult to run them yourself
scenic radish
It's not difficult to learn the basics of docker
flat needle
How hard is it to hook up a nodered <=> HA? That was handled pretty easily w/ the supervisor
unreal orbit
Not difficult at all
flat needle
maybe I'll give containers a try then. Just looked at addons I'm actually using and it's only node-red.
scenic radish
#449717345808547842 for further questions about that
clear ferry
I should learn something that isn't work related though, I learn 5+ new products at work every year
Well... 3d printing isnt work related
flat needle
Thanks - there wasn't a great place to ask the meta question of "which install approach". I'll go to container now to keep going
unreal orbit
Well you're obviously just better than everyone 🤷
scenic radish
@flat needle you're good, just pointed you there since you sort of picked a method
clear ferry
unreal orbit
Learn it and then fix my integrations for me 
scenic radish
flat needle
I should learn to work on HA... doesn't seem too hard, although their internal APIs are pretty complex from the bit I've looked at. Or maybe just a complex data model
scenic radish
unreal orbit
They do look complex. I can usually figure out what is going wrong, but starting something from the bottom up looks damn near impossible to me
clever mortar
Perl.... perl is not a coding language
mild tapir
unreal orbit
Yeah I'll be honest, setting up a proper dev environment is just something I CBA to do when I actually get time to do it
hoary wasp
^Saw him in concert in February. At 70, the man's still got it
clear ferry
brazen fable
So... there's a real Corona vaccine that got tested on 45 people. all 45 developed antibodies that successfully fended off the virus.
unreal orbit
A cautiously optimistic 🎉
brazen fable
Yeah. I'm right there with you
American ingenuity strikes again!
The producer is going to make an absolute killing
night zodiac
new pi is running on SSD without SD card, neat
scenic radish
Next step is to get off that pi 😛
night zodiac
got my wyze sensors rollin' too
I have servers and such but I like having hass
io or whateve rit is
scenic radish
Jk. I used a pi + SSD for a little over a year, it was fine. Good starting point
night zodiac
the hass pi has data partition on SSD, yeah
scenic radish
You can use the home assistant OS image in a VM
night zodiac
yeah, I don't want to do that. lol
I dockerize everything rather than vms and I like the docker management hass does so just want to leave it split from all my other docker stuff
scenic radish
I gotcha. Wait...if you're already using docker why not do a home assistant container install 
scenic radish
O I C
night zodiac
my nas is running a few containers and then my lil' server is running a few but I didn't want hass on those devices
scenic radish
You want the Appliance Experience ™️ with home assistant
night zodiac
I actually only installed HASS because I had an extra Pi and it was just rollin' in 5 minutes
with the image flashing and whatnot
here I am 5 days later
I have bought another pi
just to mess with bt from python easily though
not going to put a server on this one
yet
I just bought some more wyze sensors, they seem to work well enough
scenic radish
Yeah I like mine
night zodiac
cheap and good enough 😛
scenic radish
Cheaper than the xiaomi ones, and I don't need to wait 30+ days for shipping lol
night zodiac
I was shocked at how small the start kit c ame
came*
they need to update their instructions. it wasn't super clear to me that I had to run a scan event for every device
scenic radish
Only downside is they use a proprietary frequency (and require the hub) but that wasn't a big deal for me
night zodiac
I am going to sacrafice a motion sensor and see how long it can stay alive in my mail box
or maybe a door sensor if it fits right but I think motion sensor might work best
it isn't guarded by the weather very much
scenic radish
You will have to call this service once at a time for each sensor you want to add.
😛
night zodiac
yeah, but it isn't under install instructions, lol
maybe
or config, i mean
oh, I should have read usage
I guess
ignore me
scenic radish
tidal bronze
Wyze makes sensors now ?
night zodiac
cheap little things
they are made to plug the hub into their cameras but someone made it work directly in the device
tidal bronze
Lol. Got too many so never looked into new stuff. Interesting
tidal bronze
Must check them out.
scenic radish
i swear people who figure shit like that out are geniuses @night zodiac
night zodiac
$20 for 4 contact sensors, $6 for a motion sensor
$20 for the hub, 1 motion sensor, and 2 contacts
tidal bronze
How's the range ?
scenic radish
they don't really say, but they're 915MHz
tidal bronze
Oh that's good great band to work in.
night zodiac
Did y'all know the new Hue bulbs all broadcast a bluetooth signal now to where you don't need a hub?
night zodiac
weird how 2 of my bulbs out of like 18 have bluetooth
scenic radish
they added a bluetooth radio to the new hardware revision for...some reason
tidal bronze
So per house must work universally. Outstanding.
scenic radish
lol
well the good news is i'd imagine you could use multiple wyze bridges with wyzesense2mqtt if you needed more than one
tidal bronze
I will order this weekend and test it out.
turbid stirrup
Cool. I wonder about the battery life though. Assuming you want to put your home automation in place for multiple years...
tidal bronze
I have a few not so important places that could use motion.
turbid stirrup
True. Trigger a notification on someone else's phone every time the cat had a shit ;)
tidal bronze
Slowly moving all automations from PIR and frigate, got so many idle PIR sensors all over the place but as always better to have backups just in case. 😀
scenic radish
Lol I remember you talking about your backup sensors before
tidal bronze
Always, no choice when no UI is involved. 😂
Although outdoor 100% frigate and inside probably 60%. Need another coral to balance the load.
turbid stirrup
@scenic radish well I'll be, actually user replaceable.
scenic radish
Yeah, they'd be useless otherwise
Unless they had 10+ year life like the strip contact sensors
tidal bronze
@mild tapir yep since most ceiling ones are butt ugly and would not pass WAF.
Only decent ceiling mount would be aeotec gen6 but then again an eyesore
turbid stirrup
10 years sounds much better. I am very much a fan of preventing maintenance :)
tidal bronze
Most industrial lorawan sensors are 8 to 10 years. Haven't seen much of them trickle down to home use.
hushed basalt
Does anyone else actually like having a bit of bezel on their laptop screens
Like I think it's a good thing, within reason
Like the black frame on a projection screen, it has a real purpose
night zodiac
no but I mistype on my phone all the time because there is no bezel
well, before I resized the keyboard
but I still close apps and shit with my fat palms
hushed basalt
Like people keep shitting on surface laptops because of the bezel
A projection screen border is far more than a mere decorative detail. The border serves a vital role in enhancing the projected image. A black border improves the human eye's ability to process the image by providing a necessary reference point. As a result, the border enhances contrast and makes the image appear brighter and more colorful.
tidal bronze
How does this apply to all new bezel less TVs
fallen furnace
Quick question @unreal orbit, which wireless remote did you get for the garage door opener?
unreal orbit
I didn’t, but that’s what I would suggest if you need to mod a rental
And it depends entirely on the opener
fallen furnace
Ahh okay alright. Will have to take a look and see what can be done
tidal bronze
Every device now is marketed with screen to body ratio. I doubt if this was an issue like projection days, we will have bezel-less screens left right and center.
It's all about infinity displays. Would suck to have a border when you are trying to display static content on a wall
I think you example is from sub 1000 lumen projector days.
hushed basalt
You may be right
But there's a lot of serious design compromises to make devices bezelless
Laptops for example with ridiculous bottom cameras
tidal bronze
If the display is 1000 nits I doubt you need any border. Even bias lighting is old school. Most new displays have multizone local dimming that adjusts to ambient lighting.
hushed basalt
My tv is oled and has nearly no bezel and it does look nice
tidal bronze
Yes it does.
hushed basalt
My old tv was a 2006 samsung led and had bezels 2.5 inches thick
tidal bronze
Lol.
hushed basalt
But I wouldn't like a laptop bezelless
tidal bronze
40 to 60 zone local dimming on new TVs buh bye bias lighting. 🤣
hushed basalt
You need some border between the edge of your vscode terminal and the people walking around in the background in the cafe
hushed basalt
Not as important if you're in an office against a wall but a border helps to literally frame your workspace
A trade off for multiple monitors side by side though
RIP anyone working in an open place office with bezelless monitors and no partitions at the back of their desk
I will admit though that my surface laptop 15 is quite large to carry and operate
In part from being 3:2 ratio and having some bezel
tidal bronze
Love my SB2 waiting for SB3
hushed basalt
But dell people can keep their 16:9 rubbish
In retrospect I wish I got the 13" SL
It's quite big for a machine with no gpu
But then the workspace would be even smaller and my working memory is non existent
If it's not on the screen I can't remember it. So swapping windows doesn't work well for me
tidal bronze
I have the 15" 1TB with GPU. Love the PD to surface adapter paired with omnicharge goes on forever.
strong gulch
hello all
strong gulch
how did you know my name was nick? xD
hushed basalt
Magnetic charging/dock cable would be hard to give up
I just wish they put tb3 over that connector and let you use it on the dock
eGPU would be really nice. I can't even use factorio on this thing
tidal bronze
I use CUDA a lot so the gpu helps a lot.
strong gulch
is anyone aware of open source modular and stackable housing projects?
like essential housing.
Myself and a couple architects are looking to work on a project like that, just wondering if we need to reinvent the wheel.
hushed basalt
Housing is a hobby of mine
tidal bronze
You mean like macanum wheels ?
hushed basalt
Can you elaborate
strong gulch
me or quad?
tidal bronze
@strong gulch 👈
strong gulch
Affordable, and sustainable housing.
Not only for people, but also cities.
I can pull up a design I saw awhile ago that we are basing our work off of
So not tiny homes per se but pretty close.
forest edge
generation after z will be fine living out of a shoebox i'm sure
green inlet
I would need my own module
tidal bronze
@strong gulch what's the target market?
strong gulch
yeah I think having single options and also a stackable one for apartment style buildings.
We are still deciding if we want to pursue government grants (coming from Canada) and focus lower income and students. Or just a sustainable option for city dev projects.
green inlet
Oh, I am a family, they would need living space and I would need my OWN module 🤣
strong gulch
I have a plot of land, builders and investor set up to prototype
tidal bronze
From looks of it ready made for low income quick deployment
strong gulch
just need to build something that is sustainable and built for the future.
so was wondering if there are OS projects out there or maybe anyone wants to help with a design
tidal bronze
So by default ground floor, no living spaces ?
forest edge
sustainable and built for the future = log cabins
tidal bronze
Everytime you see 4 walls and roof does not mean it's a log cabin. You gotta come out of the woods from time to time.
forest edge
just because your palm tree homes look like crap don't mean all log cabins do 😋
green inlet
Looks like a hotel to me
tidal bronze
Palm tree home huh. Ok then. 🙄
forest edge
what other options would you have? pretty sure the red trees are illegal to cut lol
that be a pretty big cabin home too
forest edge
come to the midwest,"come off the sand" as you would say and you will see a whole new world
tidal bronze
So I walked right into it. Oh well.
tidal bronze
I gotta get off when "flying over" midwest. Only thing I do is look for places to eat on gmaps at 30k. They do pop up every 600 to 700 miles.
forest edge
funny thing is we been getting a lot of California's moving here to KC and they all love our airports and such
not to mention this is BBQ country
tidal bronze
BBQ that's makes it worthwhile 😀
green inlet
Uhhh.....NO
forest edge
well.. don't think they do bbq kale..
green inlet
not like Carolina BBQ
tidal bronze
I was going to ask. Gotta do check luggage on that one.
forest edge
you may wanna leave some of the cali yoga inspired items at home too, TSA may cavity search you otherwise
tidal bronze
So no tight short shorts ? What ?
forest edge
yea if you are wearing one of those body builder girdle things you may be asked to leave. just fyi
noone wants to see your junk compressed
tidal bronze
@green inlet so what's on the grill today ?
green inlet
Was chicken, roasted Brussel sprouts and broccoli
tidal bronze
Roasted brussel 😋
green inlet
My kids love them
tidal bronze
But that plus broccoli, pretty sure you have air locks initiated.
green inlet
About every 5 minutes.....there is a release
tidal bronze
Been fasting today going to pull till breakfast tomorrow.
green inlet
Ouch. I have never done a 24 hour. I get hungry
tidal bronze
Loads of seltzer and spiked seltzer😆
forest edge
quad cracker diet.. lose pounds fast..
scenic radish
latest or smelliest @green inlet ?
tidal bronze
Phew don't know that last time I had a biscuit
green inlet
Downtown KC was a cool place. The heat and gas district or something
scenic radish
I just had Popeyes today after a long two-week hiatus
tidal bronze
Nice.
green inlet
When you say smelliest you do mean like roses right.
tidal bronze
Lol.
scenic radish
Your pharts smell like roses?
tidal bronze
I think he meant the pets passing out type.
scenic radish
Ohhhhhh
green inlet
Yes
green inlet
You can ask my wife, probably going to Dutch oven her in a few
scenic radish
That poor woman
forest edge
gross
tidal bronze
Yikes.
scenic radish
green inlet
She is a lucky woman.
tidal bronze
Ah ha ha ha
tidal bronze
It's all about perspective huh @green inlet
scenic radish
Yeah, sometimes it looks big
green inlet
I am Irish......it NEVER looks big 🤣
scenic radish
forest edge
wang chat
tidal bronze
When did lounge go BDC
scenic radish
forest edge
these 8 year old emoji's..
tidal bronze
I guess @night zodiac went over GF limits yesterday.
forest edge
don't even know wtf that means lol @scenic radish
scenic radish
night zodiac
I am here, haha
I am trying to figure out what I need to do to connect to my coffee cup 😛
scenic radish
IT'S NOT ALL DAY ANYMORE
night zodiac
learning stuff
green inlet
Is that Ron Jeremy?
unreal orbit
Oh please, like Ron Jeremy wasn’t a legend even when we 90s babies were kids
hushed basalt
@rare condor I think I'll show you my DIY solar diverter project when I finish it
Basically I have to give a talk on Homeassistant, so I'm making a simulated house with heating loads and simulated PV capacity,
Then running simulations with the same amount of generated PV, then showing the diffferent with dumb controls and then automations to heat things with surplus energy
green inlet
@rare condor I think I'll show you my DIY solar diverter project when I finish it
That’s what she said
tidal bronze
That had to come from little more than grilled chicken and veggies
green inlet
The broccoli is intoxicating 🤣
unreal orbit
27 now == born in the 90s 😉
green inlet
Auh, to be 27 again
hushed basalt
It's like that dated playboy bunny skit in Family Guy
Where Stewie is dancing with the bunnies and makes a reference
hushed basalt
and the presumably 18/19 year old bunny goes "I was born in 1987"
Family guy is olllllddddd
scenic radish
scenic radish
But worse
scenic radish
I wish there were new Seinfeld episodes
hushed basalt
I've never seen Seinfeld
scenic radish
It's so good
hushed basalt
I had 2/3 tv channels when I grew up
scenic radish
Literally a show about nothing but it's great
hushed basalt
If it wasn't on those channels and you weren't there to watch it live, it didn't exist
Stargate SG1 was my favourite show
green inlet
@hushed basalt , are you saying born in 87 is old?
hushed basalt
No, but a joke about how young playboy bunnies are being born in 1987 is an dated joke
last plaza
@scenic radish
Literally a show about nothing but it's great
You should watch Curb Your Enthusiasm. Another master piece!
unreal orbit
CYE is waaaaaaaay too cringe for me
green inlet
I grew up with Bugs Bunny, the flinstones, Jetsons, and the road runner 🤣
last plaza
really? I love that show
unreal orbit
It’s funny, but damn it’s so awkward
last plaza
thats the point
unreal orbit
I know, not my kind of humor most of the time
last plaza
man, the language can beharsh at times - unlike Seinfeld
green inlet
CYE is on what?
last plaza
HBO
scenic radish
Yeah i want to watch it but my fiancee hates Larry David lol
last plaza
It takes time to get used to LD for sure!
scenic radish
Alright I'm tired of saying "my fiancee" so for future reference, her name is Andy
hushed basalt
YO ADRIANNEEE
green inlet
Ha, I was just going to ask “when is the big day so you can stop calling her that”
hushed basalt
YHHUHH ADDRRYWHAANNEE
scenic radish
last plaza
Covid ruined many wedding plans this year
unreal orbit
Why does Andy hate Larry David?
last plaza
lmao
hushed basalt
Who is larry david
unreal orbit
Well he did help create one of the greatest sitcoms of all time
scenic radish
A guy
hushed basalt
I miss out on so much american references
scenic radish
In a thing
last plaza
unreal orbit
That gif actually made me lol
scenic radish
Bill Gates, the one true OG
last plaza
bill g!
unreal orbit
@hushed basalt watch Seinfeld and Friends and you will get most American references
scenic radish
@hushed basalt it's ok, the only Australian reference I probably know of is Steve Irwin ( 😢 )
unreal orbit
Oh cmon
scenic radish
@unreal orbit @hushed basalt
unreal orbit
You know crocodile Dundee
green inlet
And the c word
last plaza
not a big fan of Friends!
scenic radish
Same
scenic radish
Actually, no
green inlet
Lmao
unreal orbit
Baseball is super boring to watch tbchwy
green inlet
Yes, i concur....but it was a reference
unreal orbit
Mobile 😕
scenic radish
unreal orbit
Though “quite” could also suffice I suppose
scenic radish
These shits is good
green inlet
Ohh, where did you get those?
green inlet
We don’t have Kroger
unreal orbit
Not shopping at Aldi in 2020 smh
scenic radish
Used to
rare condor
@hushed basalt Does your diverter use a relay what are you diverting?
scenic radish
F4L is closer
green inlet
You like Aldi?
last plaza
never been to Aldi.... we have one near by
last plaza
what's best there?
unreal orbit
There are several reasons I prefer it, but the main one is I spend half the money I would at Vons
green inlet
They are so hit and miss though
last plaza
we don't have vons here
unreal orbit
I think Vons is Kroger
scenic radish
But F4L has won me over. I've only had one store brand time that I didn't like
green inlet
Their red pepper is awesome
last plaza
ah! they operate under different names in different states
green inlet
Paqui chips though
unreal orbit
There’s a video on why Aldi is so cheap, it won me over. Locally sourced stuff as much as possible, displaying items in the container they were shipped in, sensible hours, stuff like that
hushed basalt
@rare condor it's all simulated since I'm a sad renter with no PV,
And I've overstimulated it for the demonstration
But I have 5 simulated loads, 3 controlled by automation and 2 that are simulated on/off through the day, washing machine and dryer
rare condor
Just curious what you mean as a diverter capable of regulating wattage is non trivial and pretty expensive to buy off the shelf
scenic radish
@unreal orbit they also didn't accept credit cards for a long time so I wonder if that helped too
rare condor
Ah so on/off based on output
hushed basalt
To simulate the heaters being turned on and how that affects the generation, self consumption and import
scenic radish
WE NEED LOUNGE_2 SKALA
hushed basalt
Yeah super simple, I probably only have 10-15 minutes on that part of the presentation
unreal orbit
Oh really? That would be a deal breaker for me if they still didn’t
rare condor
Nice
scenic radish
Make HassBot doit
last plaza
go ahead 🙂
green inlet
Yea, cause all this serious talk is harshing my buzz
hushed basalt
The simulation has a 5kw PV capacity, and I have 3 lists with 24 values each for days
green inlet
#the-water-cooler_after_dark
last plaza
I like that
hushed basalt
So I'll run through each list successively, 1 second is an hour
rare condor
I was working on a power regulated output using a triac to alter power fed into heater, so it's not full on and say 400w excess was generated instead of 1.2kw required by heater, it would feed in only 400w
hushed basalt
To demonstrate how smart automations can keep your house warm and your hot water hot while minimising inputs
And the room and hws temps will be simulated as well
rare condor
Who is this presentation for?
hushed basalt
I'll probbaly do +1 degree when on and -0.5 degree when off, per second
Local python meetup
rare condor
Neat very cool
hushed basalt
It's crazy how barely anyone takes advantage of their PV properly
And I'll keep track of import, exports during the simulation as well. And assign 30c to imports and 7c to exports
And then showing it in grafana
rare condor
There is a reason though, power output is fairly consistent on most days and most appliances you want on (which use a lot of power) are time dependant appliances (like heaters you want on after sunset). The main appliances, I have see benefit to automating are water heaters, towel rails and anything you can heat regardless of time. I tried heaters on a smart plug for a bit but often I just want it on around sunset as that's when the temp drops.
In a resi setting there isn't all that much that makes sense automating earlier
hushed basalt
I disagree, but you need good thermal mass and a tight insulated home,
which we don't have much of in Aus
scenic radish
hushed basalt
My ideal home would have insulated in slab hydronic heating, as well as reverse brick veneer,
rare condor
Yeah, I am basing it on a standard Aussie home which "breathes"
hushed basalt
slab and bricks really do carry a lot of thermal mass that can carry you over for days, even longer insulated
rare condor
i.e. where is live :/
hushed basalt
I'll just pretend the simulated house is proper 😉
I could even show a fascimilie of better insulation by reducing the temp drop per hour
rare condor
The other thing is split systems are the most efficient or for that matter any heat pump, like don't like been shut on/off at random.
hushed basalt
Yeah in the real world I wouldn't shut them off hard,
I'd just set the thermostat higher when there's solar surplus
and lower when there's not etc
But I'm just simulating resistive heaters for this
rare condor
so my efficent home fb group has done this in the real world with real data monitored in grafana
scenic radish
gave you a shoutout in #733502997111373864 telco
hushed basalt
When I have a house we'll be doing it for real
rare condor
I would highly suggest you join that group
lots of energy enthusiasts
Building dream homes based on Energy Efficiency
rare condor
👍
rare condor
lol
I can't believe they thought Aussies were so insightful we deserved out own room. They are finally understanding 😁
rare condor
can we delete this lounge and then rename lounge 2 to lounge 1
scenic radish
Lol...
rare condor
I need one of these:
scenic radish
No you don't
rare condor
rude
night zodiac
I th ink tomorrow I will set up my old phone and try to use that for logging the bluetooth
scenic radish
@ancient anchor @thick dragon tbh I was a little disappointed by BL3
BL2 was my favorite and BL1 was also a lot of fun
ancient anchor
i had way more fun in coop than solo
scenic radish
Loved the general knoxx DLC in BL1
It's funny, I have exclusively played borderlands solo
Well, I've played with friends a few times but I've always enjoyed it more solo
ancient anchor
the wife and i have played a ton of bl2
but we didn't really go into TVHM or UVHM
we were up at 12a the night before our wedding to buy BL3
scenic radish
Oh man I have like 1000+ hours of play in BL2
I've brought Maya from level 1 to 72 like five times lol
The Moxxi DLC in BL3 is pretty good @thick dragon
ashen kayak
thats a keeper
ancient anchor
yeah she's alright
scenic radish
Or, you know, go on the honeymoon and play borderlands between the 
ancient anchor
costa rica, barely any internet there lol
scenic radish
NO NEED FOR INTERNET WHEN YOU PLAY LOCALLY
ancient anchor
she didn't have a gaming PC until after we got back
ashen kayak
bout to build me a new pc, got 7 years out of this one and past time for an upgrade
scenic radish
I'd like to build a new desktop, but the 10-year-old laptop I'm using as a desktop is still working """"fine""""
ashen kayak
had to resort to installing steam on work laptop to run a jackbox game with friends tonight. Lol, huge no no
scenic radish
ashen kayak
perk of being our IT Director, turned off alerts in our RMM before I installed 🙂
clear ferry
Lol companies that care what their employees do with their laptops
scenic radish
A B U S E O F P O W E R
ashen kayak
Most of the people in my company are idiots who fail phishing tests every week
clear ferry
Had a colleague in the us get called to HR for running steam on their laptop, I run so much out of range stuff.. but monitoring your employees is frowned upon in most civilized countries
scenic radish
@ashen kayak that sounds familiar
ancient anchor
i have bl3 installed on my work laptop
scenic radish
Lmao yesssss
ancient anchor
it helps to be the IT department
clear ferry
I had WOW installed from 2008-2015
ashen kayak
same, i got ding'd for wow years ago. I was on the road 80% of the time and played in the hotels at night
wet pilot
I have no games because lolmac
scenic radish
Ew
scenic radish
And you haven't killed them yet?
clear ferry
wet pilot
It dept is going full agro with locking things down so we can't get straight Linux
scenic radish
clear ferry
I'm not even joking when I say Norwegians companies just give most employees administrator accounts
wet pilot
They tried to take local admin away from the developers. They lost that fight
clear ferry
I'm not joking 
scenic radish
Are u joking
clear ferry
I am not bröther
ashen kayak
Who is gonna target a Norwegian company for a cyber attack?
clear ferry
A lot have @ashen kayak
ancient anchor
my work laptop with bl3 is a mac
ashen kayak
i know, just kidding
ancient anchor
lol
clear ferry
ashen kayak
we do some DoD work so we have to legally lock most people down, audits are fun
scenic radish
@clear ferry you should try these the next time you're in the US
rare condor
Whats the password for the DOD server plz
rare condor
also Silo 10-24 plz
wet pilot
Hunter2
ashen kayak
go for the Zapp's vodoo chips
scenic radish
Go for deez nuts
wet pilot
Need that capital letter
ashen kayak
DoD password is password
clear ferry
Thought it was pASSword
rare condor
lol make it so obvious no one would ever guess
rare condor
next level reverse psychology
clear ferry
My default password complexity for testing has evolved with windows server
password - Password - Password123 - Password123!
wet pilot
It requires password rotation but does not allow for token auth
Solution, stupid password for my laptop (not domain joined) and some complex randomly generated thing in a password manager for vpn and sso
ashen kayak
now my gmail haxxa96@gmail.com 🙂
wet pilot
Luckily they didn't shut off the apple biometrics
rare condor
haha well I have 2FA 😛
clear ferry
I do most 32 char random passwords per site
ashen kayak
damn MFA
clear ferry
Plus 2fa
rare condor
The cable I want should be at the bottom, not sure if I will get my hand back after I put it in:
clear ferry
Australia 🤢
wet pilot
Need one of those dino heads on a stick
rare condor
I can pick the spiders like an arcade claw game that way 😄
turbid stirrup
Skateboarding into a mosh pit on a cruise pit... these folks have some imagination! XKCD?
lmao, recognized the XKCD style before even seeing the link.
hushed basalt
@mild tapir the only way to win is to not play
rare condor
I have yet to be arrested for driving my escooter
I know its unpopular opinion but I love escooter, use it more than driving
rare condor
I did some hardware mods it goes 45 km hour now
hushed basalt
Stand on a freeway overpass at 8am and just look at the hoard of single occupant cars going to the cbd
clear ferry
I have never owned a vehicle other than a car
rare condor
indeed
clear ferry
At one point I owned 4 tbh
hushed basalt
Let's say 0.5 million cars a day commute in Perth
rare condor
Man you really don't like the environment 😛
rare condor
yeah, Aus pollutes excessively for our population size
hushed basalt
At least 30% of those people are working from a desk
clear ferry
Environment 🤢
hushed basalt
Well Norways economy is based on exporting fossil fuels, so :D
clear ferry
We also have like 98% clean power and the biggest environmental enticing for consumers
rare condor
I will admit things that I know are wrong but I do it anyway, 1. I don't wear a helmet, 2. I use my scootter to get 300m back home from station after a night out
rare condor
yeah, pretty solid
I like that we can import cars which are electric without import duties
Seen some cool Japanese Electric Kei cars under $12k
But only 80-100km range, 90km top speeed
clear ferry
The egolf is $25k ISH new and gives you 250km range
The new id3 is out soon, think it will be similarly priced and give you 450 range
If memory serves right
rare condor
25 USD?
clear ferry
Notice the k
rare condor
Yes but USD or aud
clever mortar
Well, it'd be $250K AUD surely 🤔
rare condor
Lol
clever mortar
(Remembering the complaints all my Aus/Kiwi friends have about the inflated costs)
rare condor
In 2012 1AUD=1.18USD
clear ferry
In 99% of cases where people state $ they mean USD, if I talk about AUD I say AUD
hushed basalt
If my wife ends up car commuting when we move
An electric little hatchback would be great
But i don't think they would ever win out financially in Aus
Electric cars you pretty much have to buy new here
Vs a 2 year old ICE
rare condor
Buy a Swift hybrid import or a Mitsubishi Leaf or Mitsubishi Minicab EV all under $20k AUD
hushed basalt
Hmmm
rare condor
Japan imports becoming big market due to SEVS changes
You can import them without massive tax duties
hushed basalt
Next vehicle will probably be a minivan though
No warranty recourse for imports though right?
Amazon.com me a car
Prime shipping
rare condor
Most importers give warranty, but also its an ev with not many moving parts
Gets some basics done make sure battery is healthy and your good, plus very unique
hushed basalt
Is this used market
What's the ev as house battery situation like in Australia
Although probably wouldn't be as useful for commuters
More WFH or retirees
clear ferry
The average age of the guys I trained with in the US was probably 59
hushed basalt
Just become a dual citizen
Or employ yourself as an subcontractor of your own offshore tax haven strategically structured corporation
hushed basalt
Pepe for president
forest edge
Lounge_3_Lounge_harder_than_ever_before
hearty depot
Canadians around?
the little brother of my wife is going to work there for the next half year near Whitehorse.
aware of a good mobile provider for this cind of period?
hearty depot
https://moosemobile.com.au/ is apperantly a thing, but canada not down under
rare condor
I use Moose they are decent
last plaza
Norien is from Canada. He is in Jedi group
rare condor
Anyone know what I should look for in a painter, getting whole house painted this week.
clear ferry
Canoodians
sick summit
hey guys, i have a totally not HA related question, but idk where or whom to ask to. I got a nodeMCU and a 12v relay (with an external 12v PSU) and I grounded both nodemcu and the relay, and fed them power accordingly, but the relay wont click or blink the led that way. If i feed it 3.3v and ground it with the nodemcu, and remove the PSU entirelly and power the nodeMCU via usb, the led will blink correctly on the relay, but obviously no clicking, as 3.3v is not enough to trigger the coil
scenic radish
Probably #diy-archived
rare condor
sick summit
ohh thx, will move it there right away
last plaza
Why do we still have lounge 2?
We should have more ephemeral channels... channels that only last for few hours.
rare condor
lounge 3 has been heavily requested
scenic radish
accidentally deletes the real lounge
fuck
scenic radish
What is this, an office for ants?
unreal orbit
Apparently ☹️
hushed basalt
unreal orbit
spraying them with 99% iso seems to be working
rare condor
no one here is going to understand that ref badtelco 😛
clever mortar
Don't forget to set fire to the ants... for added confidence in their eradication
scenic radish
I'm about to order 4 Ikea Zigbee smart plugs for...delivery. Feels weird to not go in to Ikea
hushed basalt
Must be nice to be able to buy ikea smart plugs
As an Australian I feel personally attacked
unreal orbit
I miss going to ikea 😦
scenic radish
Anyone want to buy some tplink smart plugs lol
hushed basalt
Make a rubegoldburg machine out of smart plugs
hushed basalt
Are smart plugs turing complete
scenic radish
Wouldn't be the first time I made a home assistant Rube Goldberg machine
These Ikea smart plugs look Y U G E
C H O N K
scenic radish
Can't seem to find a US version
rare condor
😦
scenic radish
Xiaomi Mijia Smart WiFi Socket - Zigbee Version
clever mortar
scenic radish
rare condor
yeah that looks bigger than aus one but should be smaller than ikea?
scenic radish
Ooooo
scenic radish
Still can't find the US version on Ali or GearBest 
And they're $23 on Amazon so...no
midnight adder
@scenic radish You do not want to know how much knx stuff is
rare condor
try CBUS
Or try CBUS with RS485 intregation plus energy monitoring ($3000 per plug)
It was popular before wifi stuff took off
scenic radish
Wow, shipping from Ikea is only $5
midnight adder
Dont buy ikea
hearty depot
they dont pay tax in austria too
actually nowhere
rare condor
I think they should pay tax
unreal orbit
Corporations avoiding taxes? :shocked_pikachu:
rare condor
Sorry if this is too political
hearty depot
unreal orbit
Man, all these companies asking you to input your birthdate for age verification really aren't doing any favors to the devs in the future that have to account for time travelers
scenic radish
i haven't looked at ikea's financial statements, but corporations pay taxes on net income, not gross revenue (at least in the US), so gross revenue to taxes paid isn't necessarily a fair comparison
if you have 10MM in revenue and 9MM in expenses, your net income is 1MM, so you'd pay tax on the 1MM, not the 10MM
rare condor
IKEA's profit figures would likely be much higher if not for the millions the company is required to pay in fees to its parent entity, along with further millions labelled only as "other expenses". The company's gross profit for 2019 totalled $525 million.
tax should still me higher
dusky plank
easily took a month now to arrive
scenic radish
clear ferry
I have a purple too I'm going to install when I get home from vacation
unreal orbit
You use micro SD cards @clear ferry ? 
clever mortar
For toast
scenic radish
I'm using a micro SD card as part of my backup solution for my home assistant config and /etc
scenic radish
clever mortar
scenic radish
Six feet pls
It makes me uncomfortable seeing people in TV shows not standing six feet apart even though they were recorded before all this lol
unreal orbit
Stop bullying me into getting nitro 😦
scenic radish
clear ferry
@unreal orbit duit
unreal orbit
unreal orbit
Now I need to find all these secret emote servers
scenic radish
unreal orbit
clear ferry
Brb invite@unreal orbit to all my servers
unreal orbit
scenic radish
tidal bronze
I thought they are still planning to open schools for little ones. 🤔
tidal bronze
@clear ferry BTW wife likes that cheese. So didn't go to waste.
clear ferry
Happy wife, happy life
tidal bronze
Gotta order some more now.
clear ferry
tidal bronze
Any other recommendations on Amazon?
scenic radish
Ordered four tradfri smart plugs 
tidal bronze
From where ? I need a few
tidal bronze
Delivery was August
scenic radish
Yup
unreal orbit
"Any recommendations on Amazon" "ikea" 
scenic radish
Something like that might ship faster though
tidal bronze
Ask for cheese Tedi comes up with plugs. Yep back to school
scenic radish
I thought "from where? I need a few" was in response to me talking about the plugs
unreal orbit
I still have 1 tplink plug in use. The others I keep around for odd jobs that won't require longevity
tidal bronze
TP link is good just to put things in pairing mode. 😜
unreal orbit
the 1 that's in use is in a light fixture, so it will take a fair amount of BS to get my lazy ass to change it
scenic radish
I kind of want to sell at least three of them to offset this purchase
unreal orbit
it's gonna cost you more to ship them than they are worth
tidal bronze
If it's old @forest edge will take it.
last plaza
TP Link is not worth single ply TP.
scenic radish
Or to family maybe
"pls buy my shitty smart plugs"
Jk they're honestly fine
I just want more zigbee
last plaza
But... they are better than wemo outlets.
scenic radish
Weblow
tidal bronze
@scenic radish you can pickup the plugs in AZ lol
last plaza
I have more TP link Kasa than the wemos. Probably good. Returned all my ikea crap.
unreal orbit
I've had a few minor issues with tp link, but overall they are pretty solid
been running all but one of my light switches for 2 years now
scenic radish
Yeah, just trying to improve my Zigbee mesh and reduce wifi clients
last plaza
Not a bad idea if you want to go that route.
tidal bronze
@scenic radish what's the network score ?
scenic radish
The WiFi Experience ™️?
tidal bronze
Yep
scenic radish
95%
bitter pawn
yawn
tidal bronze
As long as you are above 95 you can load it up.
scenic radish
I wish they'd actually explain how that number is calculated
unreal orbit
gin 
tidal bronze
@clear ferry not available
scenic radish
Hershey's is gross @clear ferry
clear ferry
I agree @scenic radish
scenic radish
Not sure why we like it
clear ferry
It tastes like stale barf
clear ferry
Divorce!
tidal bronze
@scenic radish latency, retries and association failure over time.
scenic radish
O I C
last plaza
We went to Hershey’s factory in Pennsylvania last year, and stopped eating Hershey’s since then.
It’s no Charlie and chocolate factory
unreal orbit
Seeing the sausage get made didn't sit well?
last plaza
Yup 😂
clear ferry
Everyone loved the Norwegian chocolate I sent for Christmas
scenic radish
Real good
clear ferry
Even @dull chasm who wasn't supposed to eat it
last plaza
I never got it 😢
clear ferry
tidal bronze
clear ferry
Noice
scenic radish
$28??? Damn
clear ferry
They are all good
tidal bronze
Cool
clear ferry
But overpriced
tidal bronze
Just to test
scenic radish
Just to see how it feels
unreal orbit
It's imported from an exotic land, of course it's expensive
scenic radish
tidal bronze
@clear ferry links to get those cloud berry stuff?
scenic radish
unreal orbit
tidal bronze
Only see Swedish preserves
hearty depot
you meight know a cheapish VPS provider for 1-2 weeks?
all the big ones would like my soul for eternely
clever mortar
Depends on what you're after, but you can spin up a host on AWS, Google, etc, for minutes if that's all you want
clear ferry
And aws can be used for free with small enough systems