If they can do it, so can any citizen with all the advantages of the system on their back
#the-water-cooler
brazen fable
west moss
they do? how many of them go to college and become lawyers ?
clear ferry
_greater chance to become the 1% of you are from the 1% _ 
west moss
how manny of them can afford going to a good lawschool
brazen fable
Good thing you don't need to go to law school to be successful!
west moss
no, but it should be a basic human right that you can become a lawyer if you want, not only if you have rich parents
you should not be limited because your parents are poor, you should not be judged or have your path maped out for you before you are even born
if you wanna study to become something you should have the same right and same opportunity for it as everyone else
west moss
@brazen fable no not everyone is, but they should have the RIGHT to be it if they want
brazen fable
The vast majority of people can't even make it into law school because they simply don't have the brains fo rit
clear ferry
I actually had a friend who made a successful internet company when he was 19, then sold it when he was 25, then went to law school and got his degree, then he made great internet webpages that you could just fill in forms online to resign from the Norwegian church without having to ever speak to them 
west moss
it should be THEM that say i am not cut out to be a doctor.. it should NOT be society that tells them "you cant be a doctor because we think you are not worthy due to beeing boorn in the wrong family"
clear ferry
Now he does law for copyright matters, like piracy
brazen fable
Except that doesn't happen
west moss
it happens all the time
clear ferry
Because USA tries to extract people data from ips, which we don't do for them 
west moss
ALL the time
brazen fable
If you've got the grades for it, you can get into law school. It's really that simple
Most colleges will even give people hardship scholarships if they work hard enough
clear ferry
Here anyone can get into any study they want if there is room 
west moss
how? when lawschool is like 100k $ per year, and your parents are struggling just to afford food? HOW do you afford that school?
brazen fable
Scholarships. It happens all the time
clear ferry
Scholarship 🤢
west moss
yea, so out of 100k poor kids that want to become doctors, 10 of them get a scholarship, out of 100k rich kids that want to be come doctors 100k of them can study for it.. yea, your right, thats super fair and even playfield
the kids are not at all judged before they are even born
brazen fable
It is fair. American doctors are the top 1% of the 1%. We're Extremely strict on who we allow to be a doctor here
clear ferry
Mmmmmm American exceptionalism
brazen fable
No amount of money can make you doctor if you don't have the brain pan for it
west moss
no you are not.. you are extreamly strict to what poor kids can become doctors, you are extreamly generous with what rich kids can
brazen fable
Most med school students wash out in the 1st year
Lmao how are you going to tell me what our system is. You've already demonstrated you literally know next to nothing on how our system works
Jeff Bezos's kids couldn't even be a doctor if they weren't smart enough
west moss
if 95% of your population cant even enter the classroom because they cant afford it.. how do you expect to only have the best people make it through the classes? most of your smartest kids cant even make it into the classroom because its beeing gated by money requirements
brazen fable
Except that's not the case either. You're just making shit up
west moss
you are using a system where money decide what education you get, and then telling "not everyone is cut out for high education".. well.. obviously not, because the poor ones are clearly not "cut out" for it in that equation
tho, it got nothing to do with brain, and all to do with money
brazen fable
Except that's not what happens
That system you're referring to is 100% all in your head
west moss
you do realize poor kids can be smarter than rich ones right :D?
west moss
how do they afford the tuition for harward? yale?
brazen fable
You don't have a right to attend ivy league schools lmao
nor are they a requirement to success
west moss
if you are smart enough you should be alowed into them, it should not be decided by money, it should be decided on your intellect
brazen fable
It's up to the schools. They're private institutions
brazen fable
We have private and public institutions, and it works well
west moss
and its a hughe issue
brazen fable
No, it's really not
and that's why America is top dog
We're the strongest, most powerful, and most influential nation on the planet
clear ferry
American exceptionalism again
west moss
get born rich - get the easyroad to good education, get boorn poor - get into a horrible crappy school that wont teach you shit
but its all even
so
america, the country litteraly ALL other countries make fun of is "top dog" ?
hell even the 3rd world countries make fun of usa
brazen fable
I couldn't care less what envious children say
The vast majority of that is just straight up envy TBH.
west moss
no, its realy not 😛
brazen fable
Elitism and exceptionalism works.
west moss
we all consider you the dumbes country in the world
brazen fable
Who cares
hushed basalt
=3
brazen fable
That's a the beauty of it. None of what the EU says matters
west moss
well not in us ofc, but tbf, none of what us say we care about either 😄
brazen fable
Sure you do
We control all the major trade routes, we control.. pretty much everything
west moss
what trade routes? most of our trades are done inside eu mate
brazen fable
And people should be happy we're benevolent and not tyrants like China
brazen fable
You underestimating the importance of naval trade routes
west moss
you are tyrants, you invade every country you can that have something you want, mostly oil
brazen fable
Lol no.
If we were truly tyrants you wouldn't be allowed to have the opinions you have
You'd be dead.
west moss
except you dont realy have any say in eu, about anything, so noone is very scared 😄
brazen fable
Uh, we could smash the EU in under a month
west moss
😄 thats just plain dumb xD
brazen fable
Do you have any idea just how big, and quite frankly advanced our military is?
Just to put it into perspective, the city of New York has the 3rd largest armed force on the planet.
and they're a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of our armed forces
west moss
what would happen is there would be nukes going out everything, and USA would be completly destroyd alongside EU.. it would be mutual destruction
hushed basalt
@clear ferry you might need to shut this down
west moss
and thats why noone can do anything to the other, because it would destroy both sides
brazen fable
Nah. America would be fine. There are ways to mitigate nukes
hushed basalt
@light trout
west moss
and thats why neither side is scared of the other, because neither side can actually do anything 😛
orchid rose
I suggest reading the channel topic before angry möds appear
west moss
but yea, @hushed basalt is right, this is not the place
brazen fable
Fair enough.
light trout
Is it that hard to keep this discussion dead?
green inlet
🤷🏼♂️
hushed basalt
Microinverters vs optimisers
3...2...1.. fight
Curly braces vs indentation scope
clear ferry
Curly boi to you thanks
west moss
i gotta say, god damn i like the unifi stuff, feels like i am finnaly happy with my home network
green inlet
brazen fable
I have a UDM pro, while having it's flaws, i think it's a great device
It's got a ton of potential. Right now i'm switching back and forth between that and a pfsense box
scenic radish
I like my ER-X and AC lite combo
brazen fable
Although my unifi AC HD has been pretty rock solid, i use it for my IoT stuff
My "Fast" wifi ax is on Aruba 515's
west moss
i've had so much issues with basic consumer network stuff before, like the router, switch, wifi AP all in one devices.. but now when i got myself a propper usg, 24port unifi switch, 8port PoE switch and propper aps... i've not had a single issue
green inlet
@clear ferry 👆🏻. $30.00 for cheese 🤣
brazen fable
oh yeah, never go consumer
west moss
and the PoE on the switches is realy nice, can controll it from home assistant, so i can shut hte power to my ip cams off when i am home
i got this thing about beeing on camera, even when its my own cameras 😄
scenic radish
I have one camera inside, but it's not directly accessible from the internet so I'm ok with it
west moss
even more so when one of the is pointed to the poolarea where people go both topless and naked
all my cameras are outside, and none of them can access internet, i still dont want them on when people are home 😛
scenic radish
As in, it's restricted to LAN only, and you'd have to log in to my home assistant frontend to view it
brazen fable
I have like... 16 cameras inside
west moss
holy shit, thats a shitton of cams :O? they all recording or?
brazen fable
It's only accessible remotely when I leave
west moss
how do you deal with that storage need?
west moss
i got 3 cameras total 😛 all outside, 1 on the frontyard and 2 on back
brazen fable
inside cameras do not record at all unless i flip it on for vacation
west moss
i live in one of those.. chain houses or whatever its called.. so i got neighboors on both sides, so only got yard on the front and back of house
brazen fable
inside cameras are physically disconnected from the internet too unless i turn on a switch
it's mainly so i can glance and see the whole house
and to keep on eye on things when im out
young sigil
Microinverters vs optimisers
@hushed basalt I'm planning on installing 10kW of PV array and actually want to know this. Which s better?
hushed basalt
Not sure
west moss
i figured id have no need for inside cameras aslong as i cover the outside propperly
brazen fable
I have plenty of storage
hushed basalt
What is consuming so much?
west moss
40T, not bad, but thats what ya need for storeing all those movies and tvshows 😉
brazen fable
And the bulk of my cameras are only 1080p
I have 2 4k cameras that cover the entrances
west moss
"only" 😛 i got 3x 720p
hushed basalt
@young sigil do you have any whole house power monitoring
dire mortar
Hi there, what would be the correct channel to ask for some questions regarding issues with MQTT?
west moss
tho, not like i realy need the cameras tbf, i live in one of those places where people barly lock their doors when going away
clear ferry
@west moss you should ask @mild tapir about unifi 🤢 🤢 🤢
west moss
its just more for fun 😄
clever mortar
#integrations-archived @dire mortar
dire mortar
@clever mortar Thanks
hushed basalt
My NIC will get here next week
Then I can use a real router
Bye bye tomato 🍅
Hello wireguard, haproxy and intrusion detection
I should put a honeypot ssh on port 22 and see what happens
young sigil
I have a Shelly EM monitoring my light and power and heating circuits.
brazen fable
@hushed basalt just put wiregaurd in a vm
it's super easy
and that way you can keep it compartmentalized
hushed basalt
What's the advantage of doing that over opnsense
young sigil
I'm not married to it though.
hushed basalt
But what's the real world benefit of adding another vm vs a plugin
There's always a cost to more panes of glass to manage
brazen fable
i guess it depends if you have an always on machine in your house or not
but having it in a vm makes it super easy to maintain and move
like if i upgrade my machine it's a couple of clicks and im up and running on a new machine in a few seconds
I'm not a fan of doing the same work more than once
and i keep it easy to go because i keep a blank ubuntu vm ready to be cloned
just run updates, clone, deploy
rare condor
Router is seperate device, not running VMs right?
I am firm believer in making router embedded and separate from hypervisor which runs your homelab setup
hushed basalt
I don't want to buy another box,
hushed basalt
Plus my undercloud is seperate,
hushed basalt
Hypervisors never get rebooted except for after upgrades,
Plus I can just fire it back up on another node if it happened to crash after an kernel upgrade
rare condor
honestly KISS approach has many advantages, keeping router "dumb" isn't all that bad. Like Edgerouter X for $60 is bliss for sub gigabit ethernet
hushed basalt
I really need a lot more features than an edgerouterx could provide
rare condor
I understand the appeal I ran pfsense on a vm and gave up on it after I needed to reboot for proxmox upgrades or a vm locked the entire hypervisor (happened a couple of times)
rare condor
It was because I was doing PCIE passthru on unsupported hardware
rare condor
and doing nasty kernel patches on latest kernel
hushed basalt
But I feel the snapshotting and migratability of using a hypervisor outweigh the cons
rare condor
Ok just plan carefully
and remember there is another option when your wife shouts at you at 8pm because you updated wireguard and dkms broke something
clear ferry
@hushed basalt just run pfsense \ opnsense and HARP, tada
hushed basalt
What's it like though if I do a bad upgrade on a baremetal router and it dies
rare condor
I keep my services seperate for this reason
Like wg, openvpn, dns server, pihole etc
rare condor
But in fairness I am just some kid, who has never worked in enterprise IT, so I may not be a good metric to base on.
Yeah runs in LXC container
clear ferry
High avaliablity router protocol or whatever they called it
run two instances of pfsense, sync them
clear ferry
one virtual, one physical
aye, I migrated to opnsense this year
pfsense guys have gotten too neckbeardy
clear ferry
CARP they called it
rare condor
is this your old desktop?
clear ferry
rare condor
the new router server
hushed basalt
I have 3 x optiplex 9020s
And 1 x old desktop
The desktop has my storage and my core services
Then I'm running my homelab spread out across the nodes
rare condor
Those optiplex 9020s are great see them on ozbargian for sub $100 often
hushed basalt
And I'll use one or two optiplexes for opnsense
If you are okay with 3 x sata ports they're great
rare condor
so no ECC RAM, IPMI or server stuff though
rare condor
shh.. don't tell zfs fans that, they will crucify you
hushed basalt
No ECC is okay though. Not great not terrible
I'm pretty sure one of the ZFS architects said there's nothing special about ZFS that makes it need ECC more or less than any other storage
Just neckbeards neckbearding out
clear ferry
you'll be fine, even though ECC is always preferred for anything really
rare condor
pretty much but checksuming can't be 100% assured
hushed basalt
Yeah it's preferred but it's no different to not using ecc on your desktop storage
clear ferry
I do reccomend you look into a SLOG device though if you are running without ECC and other features
hushed basalt
If your data gets corrupted there it'll stay corrupted when you move it to your server
rare condor
tbh more likely to mess things up from lack of knowledge 99% of time, people invest in ECC then do no backups and do silly things like running rm as root user
hushed basalt
Risk = impact x likelyhood
rare condor
ITIL?
hushed basalt
I have no idea what any of those mean
rare condor
^
hushed basalt
Sounds like something you put on a certificate and frame and put it on your cubicle wall
hushed basalt
IT has never aligned with business :D
If you go by /r/sysadmin
The whole company exists to support IT
clear ferry
/r/sysadmin is just a symbolic link for /r/bofh or /u/tinkerer
brazen fable
Most data doesn't need ECC because either backups or it can be replicated
clear ferry
@clever mortar 
hushed basalt
Not entirely true Scolias
brazen fable
For home use? Absolutely true
hushed basalt
Corruption will just get backed up
It's just a trade off
Backups will do jack if it's corrupted when being uploaded to the main server
As in in memory on the main file server
Like dust on a scanner's plate glass. All those backups will have the same corruption
If it can be replicated sure, but who uses ZFS for linuxisos.
@clear ferry
Who should anyways
hushed basalt
I like verification at the application layer
Like resilio sync, usenet, bittorrent etc
clear ferry
Which is why we would prefer all customers to do three site replication of all writes synchronous, but that is too much latency still 🤣
clever mortar
Verification at every layer...
hushed basalt
Will all scrub data on the target destination and compare against sources checksums
I come from film and tv background
Data wrangling
Checksum on source read, checksum on targets, checksum on source read again. Compare three ways.
If it fails do it all again
rare condor
you forgot the checksum of the checksum of the checksum of the...
clear ferry
hushed basalt
It's the only way to be sure
Can't reshoot the commercial
Plus you need ass coverage
"this media is exactly what was on the cards, here are logs and checksums and thumbnails"
You don't want people trying to throw you under the bus when they mishandle the footage after you give it to them
rare condor
@hushed basalt By the way I got a project to work on from the Defence Science Technology Group. Robots based, can't say much else 😦
hushed basalt
I got new fans for my UPS
I just need to get a soldering iron
Or some dupont crimping sets
clear ferry
still waiting for my TS100
clear ferry
Nah, the USBc is handy, but I preferred what I read about the TS100
hushed basalt
Ts80p is 30w with a much better controller
rare condor
I am using a Weller Iron, I feel like an iron should be once in lifetime purchase
hushed basalt
100w is way more than you need for 99% of things
rare condor
no need to buy new iron
hushed basalt
The wellers I seen at the $200 range have a habit of catching on fire
rare condor
It has a microcontroller
hushed basalt
Australia
hushed basalt
rare condor
I literally bought everything from amazon at that time
yeah, I respect EEVBlog but dave was over the top on this, its less than ideal but not a hazard
regardless poor form from weller in both engineering and PR
hushed basalt
I entertained the idea of getting myself kitted up and doing some cable assembly freelancing
But that's a distraction from me getting employed as a developer
storm canyon
Good morning
hushed basalt
Thought about getting a nice JBC
rare condor
Yeah the Journal of Biological Chemistry is a good journal
storm canyon
So I am looking for some recommendations please.. I will be having a new home built and I want to make sure I am thinking about everything or at least as much as possible and wanted to get suggestions as to what things to consider and even what vendors to use. I am using Home Assistant and I know I am going to want Ethernet to every room, ethernet run for security cameras etc.... Thinking I would want to automate the doors and doorbells etc... Any good site recommendations that might have checklists that you can recommend?
quasi panther
Hi everyone, I'm trying to learn the hass. I am currently running on RPI with docker. But I cannot access any web server files (html or js etc). I couldn't even figure out what kind of web server architecture working in the background and broadcasting from the 8123 port. Is this normal or is it my lack? My academic advisor suggested that I use the platform in my MSc thesis. But I need to make visual additions especially on login page and home page, such as adding university logo, adding my name and surname and student information. But I couldn't even change the theme, especially for the login screen. I would be very happy if you could support me.
hushed basalt
Wtf phaserfpv
They had the ts80p listed for $160 before the EOFY
And dropped it down to $130 now
Good thing I didn't preorder
Sneaky buggers
rare condor
@storm canyon as long as you run ethernet and possibly speaker cable your fine, hardware choices can be made later
are you going to use custom fw on it?
hushed basalt
Active and neutral to light switches
hushed basalt
The ts80p, not sure
I'll wait a while to see what shakes out
It's only been out for a month
storm canyon
@hushed basalt yeah that is a good one
rare condor
@storm canyon 100% agree active + neutral everywhere
storm canyon
I think I am going to ask for the deep junction boxes also
hushed basalt
Yep
rare condor
also electrical cabinet (DIN) with atleast 50 std module spaces
hushed basalt
Do americans use DIN in their cabinets
rare condor
nope
hushed basalt
RIP
rare condor
r u american?
storm canyon
I am yes
clear ferry
DIN plugs what where ?
rare condor
nvm.
hushed basalt
Din rail
clear ferry
When someone says DIN in norway we think of stereo systems in the 70s
hushed basalt
storm canyon
For audio I was just going to use my Google Mini's since I am not a big music guy
rare condor
In USA they use crappy MCBs which are panel mount and are gross
storm canyon
but for the living room I was going to ahve the wiring run for surround sound
hushed basalt
Looks like din
rare condor
yep europe uses DIN
hushed basalt
🇪🇺
rare condor
@clear ferry Is that just one house?
clear ferry
That would probably look like a bigger apartment imo
My house has 22 or so fuses, plus ground stuff and meters
last dirge
@clever mortar got another UK vocab question
clear ferry
we don't use different words for breakers (sikringer) and fuses (sikringer)
scenic radish
ah
last dirge
so you have bread pudding and Yorkshire pudding
clever mortar
Yes
last dirge
are you familiar with what we call pudding in the US?
scenic radish
heh, this came up the other day
clever mortar
Well, yours are the "sweet" ones
clear ferry
Yorkshire pudding 🤤
clever mortar
So yeah, see channel history 😛
rare condor
I am from Yorkshire my mum cooks Yorkshire pudding all the time. It sucks, its plain and horrible with gravy.
clear ferry
This is what I grew up with though, I remember plucking out broken fuses often 🤣
rare condor
My whole family would disown me knowing what I said ...
last dirge
so you call the dish that's served cold pudding as well?
scenic radish
that's revenge
rare condor
@clear ferry ceramic fuse?
clear ferry
yep
wet pilot
this is an (open) american circuit breaker panel
clear ferry
quite normal until the mid 80s in norway
wet pilot
the wiring is usually covered
rare condor
🤮🤮🤮🤮
scenic radish
load center
rare condor
american breakers are disgusting
scenic radish
what's wrong with that lol
tidal bronze
@last dirge hope you held on 9% gain premarket 😀
scenic radish
we have BOFAs though
last dirge
@tidal bronze yeah, I think I'm gonna watch today
rare condor
Aluminium contacts
lack of regulated MEN
poor insulation
exposed wiring contacts
use of mixed tapped voltages
use of mixed tapped voltages via MCB
scenic radish
...but don't forget, we have BOFAs
last dirge
a very valid point
wet pilot
eh tapped voltages are 120 and -120 but both 120 in reference to neutral
last dirge
transformer center tap
clear ferry
Bastard Operators From Arkansas @scenic radish ?
scenic radish
ok... but what do you think about the fact that we have BOFAs @rare condor ?
rare condor
its stupid running tapped voltages and referencing like that
wet pilot
definitely odd but allows for easy 240v if you span the buss
clear ferry
240v ? not on my murican soil ! 🤠
rare condor
I haven't heard of BOFA in context before?
scenic radish
BOFA DEEZ NUTS
clear ferry
🤣
hushed basalt
They run 208v in industrial as well
hushed basalt
240v secondary side transformer for domestic. 208v secondary for industrial. And 2 phase 208v phase to phase for apartments...
So confusing
rare condor
@hushed basalt Fun fact: common misconception is that you can run ELV over LV wiring at right angles, this isn't true ACMA requires use of conduit. I had heard many sparky's repeat this but I asked Energy Safe Victoria they referred me to ACMA who stated according to AUSTRALIAN STANDARD AS/ACIF S009:2006. anyone running ELV wiring in AUS basically needs to insulate it with conduit anytime it crosses any 230v cable. Which is insane, literally half of the sparky's are ignoring the code, because its just ELV.
wet pilot
208v because they send 2 of the 3 phases to each unit
hushed basalt
Yeah I never let them touch
The right angle confusion probably comes from the fact you shouldn't run them in parallel because of inductance
Not you can let them touch if they're right angle
Sparkies never do legal elv installs though
rare condor
I have run 12v wiring when I was 14 at parents house that would not be compliant now. They are selling soon so need to redo that. I just strung accross attic
scenic radish
@clear ferry we use 240V for some things (like air conditioning)
rare condor
which require stupid plugs
clear ferry
last dirge
no
hushed basalt
I just use cable clips as cable tie anchor points on the roof timbers
rare condor
sometimes hard wired
scenic radish
yeah i don't have any 240V outlets, just hardwired for AC
rare condor
sure but seen US dryers and air cons use weird plugs before
wet pilot
i have a 240v outlet for my dryer
rare condor
yes they do
last dirge
the only 240V outlets in my house are for things that usually can leave the house
dryer, EVSE
wet pilot
4 pin carries 120, -120, neutral, ground
hushed basalt
We use the same outlets for our phone chargers to our dryers :D
rare condor
and they have weird plugs
wet pilot
3 pin drops the neutral (when it doesn't need 120 only)
rare condor
exactly I can move my dryer / 2400w heater to my bedroom because electrical system is not single use
hushed basalt
You won't win Hax
tidal bronze
Nothing to win.
hushed basalt
They think we're the weird ones because we have switches on our outlets
rare condor
I love feeling warm from my 2400w plug-in heater 😛
wet pilot
something like an AC unit or an electric car charger doesn't need 120. the dryer would typically use the 120 for the control electronics and possibly the motor but keeps 240 for the heating element
wet pilot
ah nice, i've seen some that drop it
rare condor
I know, its ok, they just haven't experienced the bliss of proper wiring
hushed basalt
And single phase 240v
last dirge
@wet pilot there's 2 in the garage
rare condor
Or Metric
last dirge
one's on a 3-40 one's on a 15-40
rare condor
I'll stop now
tidal bronze
When did you start ?
hushed basalt
The joy of having a huntsman spider crawl across your windscreen
rare condor
too much G&T tonight
scenic radish
trust me @rare condor i wish we used metric
i actually already use celcius for some things
rare condor
yay!
clear ferry
like the temperature of your SICK BURNS @scenic radish ?
scenic radish
1000000 C
hushed basalt
How many Fahrenheits in a gallon?
rare condor
@scenic radish plz convince rest of US
hushed basalt
Shots shots shots
I use inches and feet a lot though haha
Film and tv is imperial
Except in Europe but they're weird anyways
rare condor
I was at Bunnings today buying stuff for volunteering today and old guy asked me how many feet of wire I needed, felt jarring, when I said 3 meters he used ruler. Didn't know older Aussies referenced feet ...
scenic radish
3m = 9.9 ft
rare condor
When did we change from imperial
scenic radish
oh damn, i actually know a few conversions. 1 pound == 2.2 kg
hushed basalt
Or 1ft to a ruler
hushed basalt
Film and TV be like. "okay we're on 12'8" on the 50mm lens."
rare condor
Lol there was Metric Conversion Group in Aus, trying to convince people to use Metric. Many people rejected the notion and avoided use of metric goods in Retail.
rare condor
Anyone want to get what I am programming:
last dirge
I used to be able to do C to F in my head
but
@rare condor where's BOO8?
this is unreal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_4PK9JIYro
clear ferry
I'm upgrading to 112, I swear I'm doing it, come at me bro!
But gotta pick up the kid in kindergarten in 5 minutes 🤔
scenic radish
a requirement to keep your padawan or higher status is you can't be more than 1 major version behind
clear ferry
thank Dog I'm not running on a pi
rare condor
I did didn't read release notes tis fine
west moss
urgh, this is the punnishment for not having done propper network documentation when i installed everything -.-' im litteraly gonna have to crawl along a cable to figure out where it leads, well, time to fix my documentations over the weekend
scenic radish
wut?
unreal orbit
upgrading to a .0 release 
last dirge
fox and hound FTW
clear ferry
yeah, 14 seconds, long time 🤣 ```
2020-07-02 15:48:51 WARNING (Recorder) [homeassistant.components.recorder.migration] Adding index ix_events_event_type_time_fired to database. Note: this can take several minutes on large databases and slow computers. Please be patient!
2020-07-02 15:49:05 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.loader] You are using a custom integration for climate_ip which has not been tested by Home Assistant. This component might cause stability problems, be sure to disable it if you experience issues with Home Assistant.
my database is like 9GB I think
west moss
problem is i got in unifi a device, that is said to be active, with no visible IP, just a mac adress, and its in port 13 on the switch.. the port is shown as active on the router
i know its a netgear device, but i still cant figure out wtf it is
west moss
every device in my home is accounted for i think
atleast all i can remember
but i cant figure out wich this one is
rare condor
Ignore atx , it isn't expensive so he isn't happy...
hushed basalt
Wait is oz an weight or a volume
clear ferry
both
scenic radish
@unreal orbit ever since i moved away from supervised i've been more likely to update to .0 releases and actually try out the betas for that matter
oz is weight, fluid ounce is volume
rare condor
you moved away fom supervised 😦
last dirge
FLOZ
west moss
realy? i felt like supervised is easier to update?
scenic radish
@rare condor long time ago heh
clear ferry
Shitty to troubleshoot
scenic radish
@west moss non-supervised is easier to troubleshoot
clear ferry
@west moss
scenic radish
@west moss
last dirge
@west moss
rare condor
@west moss
unreal orbit
And no, it's not
west moss
@west moss
scenic radish
C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
rare condor
LOL
clear ferry
last dirge
back when updates used to be a git pull
clear ferry
bbl feckers, picking up kid in kindergarten
unreal orbit
@scenic radish I usually spin them up in a dev/test instance, but I'm too much of a coward to run it in prod immediately
though after switching to zwave2mqtt I'm not really worried about breaking anything
west moss
zwave2mqtt good? its on my todo list but not gotten around to it
rare condor
Out of interest is @ _ all disabled?
hushed basalt
Ounce and ounce .. not confusing at all
west moss
just gotten back to my home assistant stuff and is kinda redoing everything from the ground up, as i havnt done any updates in like 1+ year
clear ferry
On my to-do too, but I have 4 zwave devices, I don't use
rare condor
zwave is for rich people, poor plebs like me use zigbee
clear ferry
Zigbee 4 lyfe
hushed basalt
Zwave isn't a real thing in Australia
last dirge
porque no?
unreal orbit
Zwave being expensive is kind of a meme at this point. It's marginally more expensive at worst
rare condor
I use LORA on most of my outdoor sensors
hushed basalt
We have like 0.5% of zwave devices available
west moss
only thing i was missing with zwave was rotary dimmers.. but they finnaly arrived with the SR-ZV2835RAC, so i ordered 10 right away (https://www.m.nu/dimmer/z-wave-vriddimmer)
rare condor
10...
clear ferry
@unreal orbit it's atleast 3-4 the price here
unreal orbit
@clear ferry for what device?
clear ferry
Any
west moss
rotary dimmer was the only thing i realy wanted, and i couldnt find it for neither zigbee nor zwave
west moss
why? i order 10, try one out and if i dont like it i just send the others back
its full refund
rare condor
fair enough
west moss
saves me having to wait for another delivery time
unreal orbit
buttons
west moss
because i absolutly HATE the buttons ones
unreal orbit
Why?
west moss
dimmers should be rotary or not at all
rare condor
agreed
unreal orbit
lol I never actually touch the switch on the wall
west moss
besides, i cant fit those dimmers in eu switch houses
we got different formfactos on our switches here
rare condor
Am I ever going to use 32767 litres of water a month... hmmm...
west moss
depeds on what you gonna do
rare condor
My system breaks if I use over 32767 litres of water.
I could make it better so it doesn't do that but like thats a lot of water
west moss
depends on how big the household is and if your watering your garden and stuff alot
or filling a pool every year
unreal orbit
our last water bill's usage was approximately 36811 liters
but that's a two month cycle
last dirge
what the hell
west moss
normaly i doubt youd go over it, but on some dates i think you can, like if you fill up a pool for example
last dirge
I can no longer use the arrows in quick switcher in window to go left
I can use the up, down, and right arrows
west moss
id rather solve so it does not break rather than bank on never going over the limit tbh haxxa
rare condor
Yeah but I have run out of memory so I need to remove features of other projects in PLC if I want it to work
The 8kB limit is hurting me here
really under specced for what I am doing
west moss
connect your water mains switch to ha, then when you get close to limit just stop the water, family have to go out and shower in the rain instead 😄
rare condor
lol sorted
any advice on running ntp server, never done it any recomended linux apps
hushed basalt
Do americans empty their pools in winter?
west moss
think that depends on where you live
last plaza
Most dont. They put a cover on it though
scenic radish
@rare condor I use chrony
hushed basalt
I always hated taking covers off pools
Ruins the spontaneity of jumping in for a dip
rare condor
@scenic radish is it good?
hushed basalt
Wind it up, swim, wind it back out. Looks like crap and takes up deck space
west moss
well i mean... your still not jumping in fully clothed
hushed basalt
A fully automated pool cover would be awesome
west moss
so the spontaneity is already gone anyway
scenic radish
Yeah, seems to work well. My camera uses it for its timestamp since it's restricted to LAN only @rare condor
west moss
also, the hardcover dome ones have a door you easly open in a second
rare condor
@scenic radish yeah my PLC needs it to update RTC to avoid drift of 80hrs per year
also VLAN'ed and isolated
hushed basalt
I'm not sure how domes go with heat retention and evaporation loss though
rare condor
@scenic radish Thanks it was available as supervised addon and seems to work, I appreciate your guidance
last dirge
if I do ctrl + alt + tab I can do whatever I want with the arrows
but if I'm holding alt to keep the menu up it closes if I use the left arrow
rare condor
To keep you happy 😛
hushed basalt
Oooh these 8TB drives are helium
rare condor
Make sure to get SMR, I know the internet loves those 😛
clear ferry
Most bigger ones are
hushed basalt
rare condor
PROXMOX 💕
clear ferry
Almost all over 6TB would be if memory serves right
hushed basalt
I didn't think they were nowadays
I dunno
Do you even know what a HDD looks like anymore atx
rare condor
What drives are they?
hushed basalt
8TB WD Elements
Need to do a burn in test before I shuck them
Maybe I'll shuck them anyways and put bricks back inside and send them back to Amazon
No no, I wouldn't do that
Not unless I'm ordering on Tediores account
clear ferry
I shucked 4 10tb drives
rare condor
smartctl -t long /dev/<device>
last dirge
now to determine whether or not I should open a service desk ticket for this 🙂
hushed basalt
hushed basalt
Don't you not want your raidz to be too fat anyway
clear ferry
I'm expecting early next year
rare condor
It will be ages before it reaches linux :/
hushed basalt
Why don't you just mirror stripe, disks are cheap
clear ferry
Linux 🤢
hushed basalt
zfs on linux
clear ferry
Zfs on Linux is probably nice, but I prefer it in a proper kernel 
hushed basalt
oofph
rare condor
yes licencing etc. but meh
hushed basalt
Linus is rolling in his bed
clear ferry
Linus won't even include ot
rare condor
ubuntu uses it, it works
rare condor
Linus can be mildly arrogant at times
rare condor
Same with Richard Stallman
hushed basalt
I'm not looking forward to dealing with developer egos
rare condor
he can be obtuse at times
At least I admit I am a terrible developer who writes woeful code and should not be in charge of the stuff I am
hushed basalt
Seems to be a lot of god complexes from what I can see
rare condor
yep and a lot on the spectrum who can't handle people or teamwork
hushed basalt
I spent enough time in my career alone
I miss people
Telstra was the worst, inside your own head all day
Screw working alone 40-50 hours a week
clear ferry
People 🤢
I enjoy working from home, I can get up when I want, do garden work when I don't have anything special to do and I can bring and pick up my daughter from kindergarten every day
But then again, I usually only was in the office once a month before
But heck , I could do two of those three things before Corona tbh
Just don't have to be stuck in traffic queues any more
bitter pawn
you mean that once a month
you dont have to be stuck in traffic
im glad such a burden was lifted off of your shoulders
last dirge
THE RONA
clear ferry
No, every day of the week
bitter pawn
But then again, I usually only was in the office once a month before
@clear ferry
clear ferry
Before I would have to work with customers most days in the week
Office is only one part
Customers is another
clear ferry
Mostly
Was probably 40/60 onsite / home office one week, and 60/40 the next etc
Sometimes I was onsite 7 days a week
Sometimes 0
last plaza
@shy comet creality ender pro 3 is on sale for $199. Good deal?
unreal orbit
last dirge
@last plaza I see 239
last plaza
Too lazy for 3D printer.... takes time and I don’t have at the moment.
Check out micro center @last dirge
They are on sale everywhere
clear ferry
I'm going to buy one while on vacation now, so it's delivered when I get home
last dirge
HMMMMM
unreal orbit
Vacationing during a pandemic 🤔
last plaza
Probably a good toy for the holidays. Need to find good space for it too.
last dirge
I'd have to learn more software if I got that
hushed basalt
last dirge
my current printer does all of the slicing and support automagically
last plaza
That would be fun.
clear ferry
@unreal orbit we have in reality no new cases, and country doesn't allow tourists in, or us out
So we are driving north to grandparents
unreal orbit
Ah, domestic vacation. Makes sense
last plaza
Staycation
last dirge
gotta hit up Costco for some rum and vodka so I can make myself fruity drinks and pretend I'm still on vacation
clear ferry
My colleague had pre-booked 5 trips to France to his vacation home, couldn't go for four of them so far
Next one coming up soon
last plaza
What are you going to do with all that money you save by canceling your vacation? Buy more gadgets
west moss
we are at our peak where i live now -.- been working from home for ages now and we are just at the peak -.-'
i miss my work collegues
clear ferry
Sweden 🤢
last dirge
@last plaza if yesterday is any indication, pay taxes
unreal orbit
We cancelled our trip to Hawaii in April. Hawaiian Airlines was trying to get us to just reschedule. I'm like, nah https://tenor.com/view/chinesenewyear-gif-5012582
clear ferry
We probably won't allow people to come in from Sweden this year
west moss
yea most dont
ive barley left the house in 3 months so i havnt noticed much difference 😄
clear ferry
Sweden and the us are probably going to be on the you are not welcome list for most of Europe this year
west moss
yea, they propperly screwed up here
tho, with that said.. im glad we didnt have full lockdown.. i've gotten so damn much work done on the house already
last plaza
I am at the chiropractor’s office.
west moss
bloody renovated half the house during the corona isolation 😛
clear ferry
I've been working all through the pandemic, just remotely mostly 
west moss
couldnt do that if i was not allowed to go to the "non essential" stores
yea, ive been working from home, so still been working, but i miss the office
clear ferry
🤢
west moss
i work at a small company (5 people) and damn its fun at the office, freaking r-tards i work with 😄
also, nice to get a break from the wife from time to time 😄
clear ferry
scenic radish
@unreal orbit great show
west moss
where is the check config button nowdays?
unreal orbit
1950 🤣
scenic radish
@west moss configuration > server controls
velvet horizonBOT
scenic radish
that 2
clear ferry
🚔 🚔 🚔
scenic radish
bake 'em away, toys
west moss
aight sorry for asking here, either way, config -> server controls dont have it, ill figure it out
scenic radish
possible solution in #frontend-archived
last plaza
They forced me to watch a video on a cassette - all I see is static and horizontal lines. Tape is worn out.
west moss
urgh, updating an superold homeassistant config to new version, this is gonna take time and not be fun at all -.-'
scenic radish
what
last plaza
😂
clear ferry
@scenic radish mandatory IVF screening 
dull chasm
@tidal bronze have you listened to James Taylor Fire and Ice on Vinyl? amazing
amazing how some of these old tracks have more dynamics then modern stuff
clear ferry
@dull chasm dsotm on vinyl is Hella better
dull chasm
dsotm?
clear ferry
Dark side of the moon
tidal bronze
No will try to get that record. You should this too
dull chasm
who is that?
clear ferry
Alicia keys early stuff is ok, the rest I just find garbage mainstream tbh
tidal bronze
Whoever mastered this, oh my.
dull chasm
i am borrowing a 200 project turntable and it really is pretty damn good
dull chasm
one band that is often forgot musically is YES ....i am listening to roundabout ....right now
clear ferry
You should try The Alan Parsons Project - Eye in the Sky then @tidal bronze
@dull chasm yes - roundabout you say
last dirge
why don't we just call it Operation Wang Chung, ass
tidal bronze
If your tweeters can handle this at 0db, you are all good 😂
https://open.spotify.com/track/2KHRENHQzTIQ001nlP9Gdc?si=28Z_GcjtRNSiZc1T-zPzYA
dull chasm
@tidal bronze mine can LOL
but the best at master of music is clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyOg0mt2R2k
well i dont really have tweeters .....but horns so all is good LOL
tidal bronze
Try that track 0db att
dull chasm
i dont think you can overdrive the higher end Klispch with stuff at 20k hz
scenic radish
Still waiting on my Muse vinyls
dull chasm
@tidal bronze have to wait till wife is at least a hour away and @clever mortar is not close or he may hear music too ..... 1300 watts is a little loud
i might be under estimating ...what 3080 is close to 1k ....second amp is 750 and two subs at 150 each ......so maybe 2k watts LOL
clear ferry
1300w? What is this? Server power consumption for ants?
dull chasm
norwats have avr wattage like this ? i thought it was much less to fund the socialism
hushed basalt
What are all the cool kids using for react frameworks nowadays
I figure it's time I force myself to learn some frontend skills
tidal bronze
@dull chasm horns like this?
clear ferry
Cerwin Vega was always popular with the druggie car kids here
dull chasm
No like this
tidal bronze
😀
dull chasm
@tidal bronze some copper for the EU fan boys 🤣
tidal bronze
3" tweeters?
dull chasm
1" cermettalic horn
tidal bronze
For vinyl I use all cerwin vega tops and 18" double throw subs. Pretty old school
dull chasm
these are the mix of old and new ...... two 10" woofers and i got a 12" sub and another 10" sub ....seperated by freq so i get benifit of quick responsive bass and long throw lower freq .... but i really need to go 10 and 15 to bridge gaps ....quick response and lower freq response
but i just bought property cash ...finaced truck and wil payoff in 6 months and the gotta buy 30k tractor ..... so subs may have to wait
dull chasm
audio and speakers are cooler than peppers ....i like peppers dont get me wrong .....but time and place 🤣
@last dirge you have to step up to us in a/v stage
clear ferry
They'll turn red probably
unreal orbit
My mind was blown when I learned that every color bell pepper is the same plant at different ripeness
last dirge
the dark green ones will turn red if I leave them on the plant
@unreal orbit this is false
green and red peppers are the same
yellow and orange peppers are the same
and apparently purple and white peppers are the same
dull chasm
a bell pepper is the same no matter of color ..... #bell_peppers_all_equal
last dirge
@dull chasm I've spent my thousands upon thousands of dollars on AV gear already
it was just all 12V stuff
dull chasm
doesnt count
last dirge
the ringing in my ears says otherwise
dull chasm
my truck and car has stock stuff and i could care less
dull chasm
you live in ga and not a proper redneck ....go figure
dull chasm
i know car audio can get crazy but was never my thing because it just seemed to get louder without a boost in quality
i run biamp on my front soundstage in living room
unreal orbit
@last dirge huh, well then my mind is less blown. Apparently the whole male/female pepper thing is a myth too
dull chasm
#pepper_rights
last dirge
yeah
all the flowers on a pepper are self-fertile
squash on the other hand
@unreal orbit ever seen asparagus ferns?
unreal orbit
not to my knowledge
dull chasm
city slicker
clear ferry
Ive discovered my cherry tree isn't self pollinating, so I need to buy another one
Apparently we've had one Corona death since april
unreal orbit
"we" as in your city?
clear ferry
The whole country
unreal orbit
Source?
unreal orbit
I mean all the numbers I found were very low, but not that low
unreal orbit
People stopped getting infected on my birthday 🎉
light trout
That looks fake, how the hell did all those stop beeing infected at the same time?
clear ferry
wet pilot
saw a recent report that the US state of Arizona had more new cases in one day than the entirety fo the EU
clear ferry
Hence interesting @light trout
clever mortar
What I take from the above graph is .... lots of people died
wet pilot
either they all died or norwat exported them to america
clever mortar
It's either that or the reporting is broken
clear ferry
@wet pilot over 50% of confirmed cases are in southern republican states I saw
unreal orbit
only 250 total though, so that wouldn't account for ~7.5k infections
wet pilot
not surprising
unreal orbit
Can't be infected if you deny the existence of the virus 
clear ferry
We've had 8800 total confirmed cases total it seems
The daily confirmed of California then 
unreal orbit
lol my county outnumbers your entire country 2 to 1, so that's not surprising.
Density == more infections
clear ferry
Population density 🤢
Which is why I'm actually impressed it hasn't gone like wildfire in Africa
unreal orbit
look at that nice flattened curve. Good thing we started reopening everything 👍
bitter pawn
cant confirm new infected if you stop the testing
static prawn
why is this repo marked as deprecated?
https://github.com/home-assistant/supervised-installer
clear ferry
Well, or as trump said it gonna stop testing to get our numbers down
unreal orbit
@clear ferry Trump staff: "but he was just joking"
Trump: "I was not joking"
clear ferry
low harness
last dirge
heh
clear ferry
I hate asmr and i hate clicky keyboards, not sure how much worse it could get
low harness
Me too, but it's worth it for the ending.
clever mortar
rm -fr / 
last plaza
You just squashed thousands of bugs right there!
Best way to make the code bug free is to delete the code.
last dirge
rimraf!
it all started with me saying "hey, who can test these functions?"
which turned into someone figuring out that those functions were no longer necessary or used
and hadn't been for almost 2 years
strange vapor
@clever mortar That's too well known now. Something like sudo find / -type f -exec truncate -s0 {} \; is more fun!! It "truncates" unused zero bytes from files freeing up space!!!
strange vapor
Nice 😄
clever mortar
Pick your own variation as long as you never set the execute bit 🙂
Or you can have more fun with ACLS
grave vale
Is learning Python very difficult? There's a Python learning bundle at Humble Bundle right now and from what I understand I could use Python to do a bunch of fun stuff in Home Assistant
last plaza
Nah! Any idiot can do python.
grave vale
Well that certainly does fit my description!
grave vale
Pretty much
last dirge
🙂
mild tapir
grave vale
I'm pretty damn tech savvy, but I've never done anything coding-wise
clear ferry
I should learn at some point
mild tapir
Today we had a 400 lb person that wouldnt fit in the back of the whaaambulance
amazing
clear ferry
Last time I bothered touching coding was in 2001
@mild tapir you mean a skinny muurican
mild tapir
I am a toothpick so what does that make me?
mild tapir
clear ferry
mild tapir
We actually had a fire truck pull up to take the guy
And little did I know we have XXL masks
because normal ones wouldnt fit
last plaza
Everything is supersized here.
That’s what happens when you eat a bucket of popcorn and a gallon of coke for a 90 minute movie.
mild tapir
The house he was in was a dump
pizza boxes, food wrappers, etc everywhere on the floor
doesnt help hes a smoker too
last plaza
Oh wow!
mild tapir
I had to take an antiacid just to not vomit
it was nasty
And the floor was like oily
I almost slipped 2 times
Oh yeah minor detail
His grandson was cooking meth in the basement
last plaza
He probably can’t bend over to pickup stuff on the floor. That’s why I always find so much change in the parking lots. People drop money and can’t bend over to pick them up.
mild tapir
It was a sad situation. we walk in, find the dude and on the way out with the firemen, I get a wiff of that very identifiable smell.
So we get him loaded up and I nab one of the firefighters to come in behind me
we dug around until we found a door to a basement
We get down there and woah what an operation
The house will be torn down and the lot will be owned by the state
There was something like 400 lbs of meth
Bricked up along the far wall
as soon as we saw it, me and firefighter hauled ass out of there as the burners were on as to not inhale fumes
I dont know if the fat dude even knew about it but all we know is it was his grandson who was "taking care of him"
last plaza
Wait... is this in New Mexico? Sounds a lot like Breaking Bad episode 🤣
last dirge
anybody here keep bees?
clear ferry
@last dirge dat dem der be dem Norway berries you were talking about other day see 
last dirge
what?
last plaza
No bees here.
clear ferry
HWAT?