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ocean mirage
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Up and down

static schooner
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Some felt it was dull. But they were focusing on more character development and less on space battles

ocean mirage
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Yeah which I liked more

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Would have had more interesting relationships without berman on board too

hushed basalt
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Dukat was great until he became space devil

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That all envoy wormhole aliens pai wraith thing should have been cut in the writing room

ocean mirage
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Yeah that was bad

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But when up until then

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Trying to act like the good guy the whole time and then breaking down

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Rom is the most endearing character though

hushed basalt
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The cardassian who pretends to be the genocidal general

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Great episode

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That's when I knew DS9 was the superior show

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TNG had nothing like that.

static schooner
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And superior to all that followed

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Even Picard hasn’t really grabbed me

ocean mirage
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I’ve not seen it

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I’m only up to voyager

static schooner
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I got truly sick of the characters on Voyager

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I would have killed myself if I was stranded with those guys

brazen fable
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Voyager was the best in the series.

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Fight me

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Voy > DS9 > TNG > Rest

ocean mirage
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Voyager has started really strong so far but I’m not far in

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The only character I truly hate in Trek is Bashir in season one of DS9

brazen fable
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Lol why.

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Bashir was a great character.

ocean mirage
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He was such a creep in season one

brazen fable
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Creep, or just doesn't interact with people well?

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Also in Voy once you get past the Kazon arcs it gets really solid.

ocean mirage
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He seemed like a charicature of Kirk’s creepiness

static schooner
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Man, I do not get that ranking. To each his own. I did kinda tune out of Voyager after a while, so maybe need to revisit

brazen fable
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I mean, they're all pretty closely ranked IMO but I really enjoyed how Voyager started out with a story instead of "monster of the week" every episode

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I'm also a big fan of the BSG reboot]

static schooner
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Once they were out there, though...

brazen fable
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TNG's first 2-3 seasons suffered from the MOW syndrome the hardest

static schooner
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Yeah, I cringe at the beginning for many reasons

brazen fable
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But the story arcs they did have were pretty good

ocean mirage
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Yeah voyager starting with direction is a huge plus

brazen fable
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And honestly, the doctor/seven/janeway are three of the best characters in all of Trek

ocean mirage
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Best start of any trek I’ve seen

brazen fable
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Janeway will always be my favorite captain TBH.

static schooner
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I liked Janeway better in Orange is the new Black 🙂

hushed basalt
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Janeway was great

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But I hated voyager

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Show had berman sleeze all over it

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Picard was my least favourite show by a long shot

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Was like a crappy amateur fanfiction tv show that happened to star Stewart

brazen fable
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Picard is love/hate for me

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I really hate what they've done with the universe

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And the political grandstanding is annoying as fuck

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I loathe what they did with seven too

hushed basalt
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Old school star trek was never in your face about it

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And all their messages were timeless and subtle

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Disco is all FEEL GUILTY BOI

static schooner
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Like the guys with their faces literally painted half white and half black?

ocean mirage
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Yeah like when Rom quoted Marx, pure subtlety 🙂

scenic radish
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ah yes, references

hushed basalt
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I never watched TOS haha

ocean mirage
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Don’t

scenic radish
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Don't

hushed basalt
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Old school to me is 90s

scenic radish
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C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER

hushed basalt
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I never actually watched ST when it aired

brazen fable
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I got through two episodes of ToS until I decided naaah

ocean mirage
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Good choice

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I saw all of it

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It makes it cool when the characters shows up in tng but that’s about it

thick dragon
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The AI upscaling thing is definitely great. Another reason that the nVidia Shield is the most superior media player around.

hushed basalt
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Biggest thing I hate about Disco is it's all main character mary sue

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Like DS9 and even TNG didn't revolve entirely around one character

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Name a single disco episode that works without whats her face angry girl

ocean mirage
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Someone stop Tediore

hushed basalt
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Boys name.

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Michael

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That's it

scenic radish
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Hey I'm new here, what's up guys?

ocean mirage
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Let’s test him

hushed basalt
ocean mirage
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Klingon

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Diabetes

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Damn it

scenic radish
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Lmao

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🏆 GWomoDrakeYea

hushed basalt
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Warp Drive

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Borg

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Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

scenic radish
hushed basalt
thick dragon
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Willem Dafoe is a weird-looking dude.

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Boondock Saints was probably his best role.

hushed basalt
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Did someone say weird looking

thick dragon
scenic radish
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I thought we were watching Scooby Doo!

brazen fable
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What are you people dojng

scenic radish
wet pilot
hushed basalt
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Dismantling the establishment

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One giphy at a time

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That'll show 'em

scenic radish
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@wet pilot everyone needs a hype man like that guy

wet pilot
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lol yes

scenic radish
forest edge
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meme/gif chat

hushed basalt
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Sonarrv3 looks awesome

wet pilot
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there's a new one?

hushed basalt
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Yeah it's in beta

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but it's 'stablish'

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Accessibility is pretty average though

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That contrast :/

wet pilot
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looks like linuxserver doesn't have the new one yet

hushed basalt
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They do

wet pilot
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preview tag

hushed basalt
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: preview

wet pilot
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just found it

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wow, this is way prettier

scenic radish
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Wut dat

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Oh RSS feed manager?

wet pilot
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download manager for tv series

scenic radish
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O

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Neat

hushed basalt
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You have much to learn little Padawan

hushed basalt
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@rare condor What sort of setup are you using for monitoring import/export of power

magic dagger
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hi any eperts on this time?

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help needed all the way from new zealand

clear ferry
magic dagger
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hey Atxbyea

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how ya doing

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static schooner
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And probably not here, check the other channels

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clear ferry
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I'm not one to kinkshame, but that was just surreal, a 200+kg guy walked into the gas station, wearing flip flops atleast 5 sizes too small, and buys a 1L carton of chocolate milk, and leaves

brazen fable
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whats wrong with chocolate milk

clear ferry
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It was more the way he walked in those flip flops, and the fact that anything at a gas station costs 2-5 more than at a convenience store

brazen fable
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lmao

clear ferry
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His heels were like 5cm off the edge of them

brazen fable
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probably one of his kids lol

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or wifes

clear ferry
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And you couldn't see his two smallest toes

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But he was alone in the car

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On a freeway gas station

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Lol 8km of queues to enter Denmark

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They opened for tourists today

brazen fable
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So github is removing "master" "whitelist" and "blacklist" now because of all this bullshit

rare condor
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@hushed basalt Its hard to believe but these were imported by SolarX and Growatt and marked up by $200. https://www.tradezone.com.au/product/growatt-single-phase-energy-meter-78307.html

You can buy them from here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2044194398.html fully RCM approved and AS3000 compliant. Connects to PLC, ESP8266 or Raspi over RS485 Modbus. Has many alternatives including wireless models and pulse output.

This is the live power consumption of my house: https://pvoutput.org/intraday.jsp?id=84831&sid=76115

forest edge
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@clear ferry maybe the person prefers small flip flops.. i thought you norwats weren't so judgmental lol

clear ferry
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I'm usually quite judgemental, but just of redneck muricans 🤣

forest edge
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oh i see, you have finally come to the shocking realization your own is even more redneck than we "muricans" can be. i see why you would be so confused and taken back now. must be hard to accept lol

clear ferry
hushed basalt
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@rare condor thank you that's very helpful

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So are you measuring power going into your house, and measuring generation from your smallboy

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Or do you have those meters on your inverter too

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My mum has PV but it's not making a big dent in her bill so I said we need to look at her consumption and generation to figure out what to do next

clear ferry
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just tell her to buy power from norway

hushed basalt
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Maybe we'll have HVDC links one day

rare condor
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@hushed basalt So the meter measures both power entering the meter (consumption) and leaving (generation) so it just needs to be attached in line, between the main breaker and the Circuits. i.e. POWER IN -> MAIN BREAKER -> POWER METER -> CIRCUITS

In the case of solar, the inverter and the Main Breaker are connected: https://photos.app.goo.gl/dVzgpp1C9p68BanBA

Google Photos
New photo by Harrison Pace
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That's a Fronius Smart Meter, as its an old photo but the wiring is exactly the same for the Eastron SDM230

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Another option is Solar Analytics, they sell a din mounted meter for $300 plus a yearly subscription which goes against everything I believe, i.e. vendor lock in, cloud based solution, but its popular as its easy and the web interface is apparently decent?

hushed basalt
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I'd just need someone I can poll with HA or perhaps send directly to a time series DB

rare condor
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@hushed basalt The cheapest option is open energy monitor with CT clamps if you don't care about compliance.

hushed basalt
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So what are you doing to measure the gross PV production

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The energy meter you sent me seems pretty cheap

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And she has a electrician who can install it cheap

rare condor
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@hushed basalt All Inverters sold in Australia post 2014 have the Sunspec Protocol which is built upon of Modbus, you can connect an RS485 device like an ESP8266 and it will monitor the output, basically I can figure out consumption from this. I upload it all to PVOutput as it has nice comparison features

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So best way to do this cheaply is SDM230 -> ESP8266 and Sunspec from Inverter -> ESP8266 and push it all to PVoutput.

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less than $100 in parts

hushed basalt
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Did you put a GPO in your meterbox to power the esp8266

rare condor
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If the Inverter is old and doesn't have Sunspec (i.e. low end model) simply use 2x SDM230 and connect one inline with inverter

hushed basalt
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She has a SMA i can't remember when it was installed

rare condor
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@hushed basalt No Regs prohibit ELV in Switchboard without double insulation. I have the pink cable (240v rated CBUS cable) connected to the ESP

hushed basalt
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I've asked her to send me photos

rare condor
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CBUS cable is just fancy cat5e

hushed basalt
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I thought there would be regs about ELV in there

rare condor
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SMA is decent kit unless its really old it will have sunspec modbus output

hushed basalt
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It would be 2012-2014

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Ill find out

rare condor
hushed basalt
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I'll have to think about a place to mount and power the esp.

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It's an 1970s house with 4 different levels so the roof structure is a nightmare to access

rare condor
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ew yeah they are terrible, loose fill insulation? There are other options if you want something better than an ESP, basically anything that does RS485 will work

hushed basalt
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It's double brick but there's a bedroom above the ground floor where the meterboard is

rare condor
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But ESP8266 is cheap and actually works well, other options cost $$ like start at $200-300, plus less flexible

hushed basalt
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So the only way to access the drop is from the top floor roof

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Afaik

rare condor
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@hushed basalt Zigbee options exist

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These aren't sold through electrical wholesalers like middys or lws.

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If you only care about how much power the Inverter makes just connect the ESP to the SMA Inverter using RS485. If you want consumption it may be PITA, if as you say access is limited, electrian may have to spend time routing cable.

hushed basalt
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I could just get them to punch through that wall and put a GPO and the cable there

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Or a seperate enclosure adjacent to the meter

rare condor
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instead of bothering with a gpo just get one of these: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HDR-15-24-HDR-15-5-HDR-15-12-HDR-15-15-HDR-15-48-MEAN-WELL-DIN-Rail-Power-Supply-/162601741873 and an ip66 enclosure: https://www.jaycar.com.au/polycarbonate-enclosure-with-mounting-flange-base/p/HB6211 (mount next to switchbox with ESP8266 inside) involves no holes in wall, compliant and your still under $100 in parts.

eBay
HDR-15-24 HDR-15-5 HDR-15-12 HDR-15-15 HDR-15-48 MEAN WELL DIN Rail...

It is equipped with constant current mode for over-load protection, fitting various inductive or capacitive applications. HDR-15- 12 Output 15vdc @ 1A. HDR-15-24 Output 24vdc @ 0.63A. HDR-15-5 Output 5vdc @ 2.4A.

hushed basalt
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Looks like the inverter can do web or serial with an add on card

rare condor
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Yeah that's pretty standard

hushed basalt
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5v output on the din?

rare condor
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But it won't tell you consumption

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yep

hushed basalt
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Yeah i know it won't do consumption but i will need consumption and generation

rare condor
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Its pretty common practice to use these meanwell power supplies to supply 5v kit

hushed basalt
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Might just be worth to cough up the dough for a card for the sma if it does error monitoring

rare condor
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Fair keep in mind you can achieve consumption monitoring with 2x SMD230s

hushed basalt
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I'll see how much they cost

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And see how much detail they provide

clear ferry
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lol extras to just monitor consumption, just use the HAN port of the power meter bois 😉

rare condor
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Yeah dumb pulse counter and photo doide on meter works too but its illegal in australia

hushed basalt
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Because it's ELV in the meter?

rare condor
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No because you don't own the meter, its not your property. I just ignore that though, I have messed with all my meters (i.e. water meter, gas and electricity to enable monitoring) but technically they could fine me for meter tampering and request I pay for new water meter and void house insurance for unlicensed work with NMI approved device.

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But in terms of ELV in switchboard area, I am sure there is some clause against it, I would have to take a look at AS3000:2018 to get clarity on that.

late gate
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cant you use pule metering on water and electric so you dont have to tamper with them?

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if you dont have a HAN interface

rare condor
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That is considering tampering

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I know its insane

young sigil
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That is insane.

rare condor
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clear ferry
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damn aussies

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just get smart meters damnit

late gate
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well they will never know if you just pulse read them. I think the tampering they care about if you cut the wire thingy

rare condor
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@late gate Generally for electricity your fine if you have a smart meter but gas and water both still use dumb meters in Australia for the most part. So next meter read, you will get in trouble.

late gate
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@clear ferry I refused to pay hafslund for 3 months cause they didnt open the HAN port just because they broke the law not opening it in time. Just cause I was bored I let them bring it to court and hafslund lost horrible cause they told NVE had given them excemption, but I had an email from the boss in NVE saying they didnt

clear ferry
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🤣

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I just opened it a month ago

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when I finally got my tibber adapter

rare condor
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BTW HAN Ports are not a global thing: "Norwegian smart meters must have one HAN port"

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Most here just have pulse output IIRC

late gate
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@rare condor so I guess its a magnetic meter?

rare condor
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The gas meter?

hushed basalt
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Magnet wheel goes burrrr

late gate
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yes, magnetic thing that turn the numbers

rare condor
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yes

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just a magnet on last digit

late gate
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I really cant see you can get in any trouble using a sensor on that magnet

clear ferry
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I think we started with automatic metering in 2004ish, then some APIs were avaliable a few years ago, and 2-3 years ago all meters in norway were replaced with smart meters

late gate
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in old times here people unscrew the meters put them sideways and put a big magnet so it would not turn. thats a bit more on the bad side

rare condor
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@late gate It defined as a Hazardous Zone , no electricity can be present with out an Audit

clear ferry
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had a collegue connect his VAX 7000 to the input before the meter

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that was good times

rare condor
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even 5v

late gate
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they will never find out I would say, just demount if they want to check

rare condor
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again, its about how game you are but in my case I know someone who has got in trouble for doing this, using a reed switch to read gas usgae

late gate
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I would not worry at least

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how far apart can power be?

rare condor
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In Australia our Regulations are licenced by SAI Global and are not freely accessible unless you are a licensed plumber and they refuse to say. But in any case if it is near the meter it requires an audit.

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I think its under scope of AS/NZS 4944:2006 (R2017) Gas meters - In-service compliance testing

late gate
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so whats they worst thing that can happen if you just mount a reed meter to it with some tape and dont tamper with it

rare condor
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Fines for meter tampering and if you refuse to pay loss of service. Even if you are correct that a reed switch has no affect.

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Its dumb and I have argued this before

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But again depends how game you are.

late gate
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I would still just do it unless it require opening it

rare condor
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I gambled and went ahead on water meter

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we will see what happens next meter read

late gate
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if I got caught just do as on cops. "what? Its not even my house, I dont know how that got there"

rare condor
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lol haha

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That's the addition (official unit supplied by Itron)

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hopefully wont end up in jail 😛

late gate
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I think worst thing that will happen is you are told to remove it unless you clip anything, open anything or change anything

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its even sold commercial water and gas readers like smappee

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that does this

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I use that on water

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@clear ferry give me one good reason why i should use google voice and not alexa when I reset my smart home. I got both, but just using alexa now. any benefits?

rare condor
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Fair point

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Alexa has so little presence in Australia we only got Amazon in 2017. Alexa is not popular at all.

clear ferry
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I don't use it activly for much

late gate
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@rare condor I prefer that google is a bit more accurate on replies, but I hate saying ok google. just saying alexa feels more natural

ocean mirage
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we had access to amazon well before then

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its just a more localised one in 2017 I guess

clear ferry
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Yes, I wish I could make a new triggerword for google

rare condor
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I'll admit I was impressed using homepod, Local control is so fast, its already turned the light on before you have time to think

clear ferry
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Hey google feels very... unnatural for me

rare condor
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me too

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I don't think google will change it

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Its branding for them

clear ferry
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I only use my google home devices for notifications and music streaming anyway

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if I could use my own codeword I would use it for more probably

rare condor
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what do you use for controlling lights etc

late gate
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I dont use google just cause of the trigger word

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alexa does what I ask though. color lights, modes, timers etc

clear ferry
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automations for controlling lights

late gate
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yeah, but I use the good night and good morning

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good night arm alarm, turn on night mode, letting me know if I forgot a door, start the hover etc

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I still dont have a properly reliable way of presence detection so automations is not always that reliable

clear ferry
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where do you find the presence detection unreliable ?

late gate
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with motion detectors in general (the classical eyes)

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I was thinking using ble

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but that require everyone to wear something

clear ferry
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oh, I use motion detection for three rooms, and contact sensors on the doors for a few rooms

rare condor
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or have a phone on them

late gate
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but if someone forget their phone?

clear ferry
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making my old alarm system into a esp based motion detection for the remaining rooms soon

rare condor
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glue bluetooth trackers to the back of their heads while they sleep 😛

late gate
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I might got an acceptance for a mi band, that expose ble

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that last for a month without charging

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then I can room track

rare condor
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yeah its actually a nice device too

late gate
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bought a mi scale. they make good products. sends the weight to ha automatically

rare condor
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I use a mix of PIR sensors, cameras with face detection (not in rooms) only living spaces and outdoors and ble + ubiquiti device presence

hushed basalt
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Which miband is that

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I need a new watch

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Citizen wanted $450 to replace the latch on a $500 watch

late gate
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xiaomi mi band 4

rare condor
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get a different latch?

late gate
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no openmqttgateway

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then I can use it with my room deection

rare condor
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ah I almost went that route but had a spare pi running wireguard so opted against yet another device for single use

hushed basalt
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It's a titanium band I need their specific model

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They through some bullshit about bands not being covered under warranty too and I couldn't be bothered fighting it

rare condor
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I had the same issue on my eco drive

hushed basalt
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Yeah it's bullshit

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Their warranty specifically states wear

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Which i interpret as scratches etc

clear ferry
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The Xiaomi Amazfit Bip is great

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I have 35 days battery life

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but I'm thinking of getting one of the nicer ones

hushed basalt
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My watch has a capacitor in it and PV cell in the face

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So lasts forever, in theory

rare condor
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They wanted to charge me $600 AUD for a $400 watch 🤔

hushed basalt
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I'm not sure how much mine cost

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My wife bought it

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But they wanted $450-$500 irrc

rare condor
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I love eco drive watches, I started a collection after I felt guilty for losing my 18th Birthday gift on a flight to Malaysia

hushed basalt
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However much a titanium ecodrive watch costs from a jewelry store

rare condor
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its about the same

hushed basalt
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Did you end up seeing if a generic repairer could source the parts and fix it

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Need to take it to HK they'd probably do it for 50 HKD all in

rare condor
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I fixed it myself

hushed basalt
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How did you fix it

rare condor
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When you say the latch is broken do you mean it no longer clips together and unlatches instantly?

hushed basalt
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Yep

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Retention springs are worn out

rare condor
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Yeah I bought a watch repair kit and replaced the mechanism, this was in 2016 so I'm not sure where I sourced it from

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I ended up trying to fix my sisters watch as well and shattered the Glass 😬, I used a vice clamp with a microfibre cloth

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did not end well

late gate
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do anyone know if it exist a turtoise tensorflow model?

hushed basalt
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So you sourced the latch bit separately

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It looks impossible to open. Looks factory pressed

rare condor
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I don't think so, IIRC I disassembled the latch but eBay history isn't helping here 🤷‍♂️

hushed basalt
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As in you didn't replace any components?

rare condor
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Ecodrive has a pretty extensive range (literally hundreds so could be different), not that I can recall, do you have a photo of the latch?

hushed basalt
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I'll take one tomorrow.

rare condor
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👍

hushed basalt
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But it looks like a sheet of steel has been rolled around the part that holds the springs

rare condor
last dirge
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I had an EcoDrive watch I got for my high school graduation

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it died after a year

hushed basalt
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@rare condor yeah the same mechanism

clear ferry
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lol trying to update an offline wsus server

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3800 patches were missing and had to be downloaded

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still waiting, currently it has downloaded 150GB

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wonder how much is left, who knows because wsus sucks

hushed basalt
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Patches 🤢

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Whatever happened to immutable systems

clever mortar
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Vulnerabilities happened

hushed basalt
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More vulnerable than a server missing 3800 patches ? :D

clear ferry
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when it's a darksite, they aren't that critical, but usually more interesting for bug fixes etc

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🤣

orchid harness
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Looking for a project/device I've heard in a few youtube videos

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Open source sonoff mini/shell 1 clone using D1 mini

clear ferry
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Ooooooooof

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29c outside

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My car says 37 inside

orchid harness
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Thats where remote start works wonders 🙂

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just wish I could bypass the start count or time length

clear ferry
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No remote start on my 2005 haha

orchid harness
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You are in a HACKING group, hack one together!

clear ferry
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The Audi A8 had solar panels in the sunroof from 98 I think that could start ventilation of the car if needed

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That was nice

orchid harness
#

Found what I was looking for, BHonofre

clear ferry
hushed basalt
#

Fans should have umbrellas that self deploy when they're in the sun

#

Why did I say fans

#

I mean cars

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Teething toddlers mess with your sleep brain good

junior forge
clear ferry
unreal orbit
#

"earthquakes"

#

I have the opposite problem. The bed always slides to the middle of the room

#

... because... California has a lot of earthquakes...

scenic radish
junior forge
#

?

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@scenic radish It is so annoying when the earthquake hits

#

I think it is genius!

clever mortar
#

Move to somewhere that doesn't have earthquakes. Problem solved 🎉

light trout
#

The earthquake part is probably a startup marketing strategy to get funding from investors

unreal orbit
#

Do you really need funding for a bolt with some rubber and tape on it?

clever mortar
#

No, but you do for the fancy cars

dusk lodge
#

Damn

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I have to say

#

HA is literally faster than the LIFX app in switching off my lights...

#

LIFX seems to favour cloud for some reason

#

is there any advantage to linking your router's upnp to ha?

clever mortar
#

.topic 😛

velvet horizonBOT
#
The topic of this channel is:

NO HOME ASSISTANT SUPPORT HERE (look at the other channels for that). NO POLITICS OR RELIGION!

BE CIVIL to one another or get BANNED permanently.

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Tinkerer
clever mortar
dusk lodge
#

that says home assistant support?

clever mortar
#

That...?

dusk lodge
#

yeah sure just saying the message says that

clever mortar
clear ferry
#

Upnp 🤢

forest edge
#

The Audi A8 had solar panels in the sunroof from 98 I think that could start ventilation of the car if needed
@clear ferry did it roll down all the windows so someone would have an easier time stealing it? lol

frozen swan
#

Hello guys! Not HASS related but I thought you could help me. So, I'm thinking about buying a second hand HP Prodesk 600 g2 SFF (i3-6100 version) for openmediavault/plex (mostly direct play, ocasional transcodes), but I'm worried about power consumption. What do you think would be the idle consumption and load consumption keeping in mind that I'd only transcode ocasionally so most of the time it will be direct play.

clear ferry
#

@forest edge it just opened the sunroof I think haha

clever mortar
#

Vaguely modern computers idle in pretty lower power states @frozen swan - don't worry about it too much, but details on it should be published

clear ferry
#

Depending on where and how you live, a 100w difference is negligible too

frozen swan
#

Normal Operation (Short idle) 15.71 W / Normal Operation (Long idle) 13.86 W
Found this on the specs pdf

#

in accordance with us energy star test method

clear ferry
#

Right now my house is pulling 5.5kw, if I had a sff computer I wouldn't notice it Shrug

frozen swan
#

ahahahah in your case 😛

#

that's like running 2 heaters at max 24/7

clear ferry
#

Last 24 hours here

frozen swan
#

10689 max 😬

clear ferry
#

That would be while cooking dinner

frozen swan
#

yes makes sense

#

I did some math and if the PC was constantly running at 70W 24/7 It'd be 90,39€ at the end of the year

#

but It shouldnt reach 70W most of the times right? Even when transcoding, how much would the i3-6100 suck up?

clear ferry
frozen swan
#

51W, not bad actually

#

might end up around 50/60€ per year then?

forest edge
#

@clear ferry lol you are the gamer in 2020

#

the 80's and 90's one looks about right

#

space jam was awesome

clear ferry
meager flume
#

Quick chime in, home assistant is freaking amazing

#

What the hell how did i not find this earier

#

Earlier*

#

Built my first entry level home server just to run this stuff, my pi is weak

clear ferry
#

Pi 🤢

meager flume
#

Here i was, thinking pi was anywhere near viable to handle the cool stuff

clever mortar
#

Pi3 or above is ok

#

Not great, but I ran on one for 2.5 years

meager flume
#

Have the pi4 but I wanted my UniFi controller, pi-hole, homebridge and homeassistant on one device

#

Too many services, one point of failure.

#

So i just went ahead and built my own mini server to run VMs in. Im freaking clueless but i’m having a blast

clear ferry
#

I've been running on atleast two socket systems for the last 17 years

#

I'm biased

clever mortar
#

Yeah, but you have access to the kind of kit that most of us don't - at least not without spending serious money

clear ferry
#

Pff, the dual pentium pro I had in 2003 I begged to have from the local hospital when they were throwing it out haha

#

Put some effort in!

#

Awwww yeah

#

I carried that monster into my parents attic

#

Dual ppro 180 with 512MB ram

fiery sorrel
clear ferry
#

Level 2

#

Fight

#

Finish him!

unreal orbit
#

I really don't understand how that annoying banner is a "premium" feature

fiery sorrel
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

scenic radish
#

BOO VLYCOP, BOO

unreal orbit
fiery sorrel
#

oh it make confetti when i move my cursor over the pink gem

unreal orbit
#

Heh that is pretty neat

#

then the little pig monkey pops out

fiery sorrel
#

why ! last time i was flooded with do it meme, and now i get boo ! 😆 They won't be a next time anyway i got this month for free :P

dusk lodge
#

Well I've sort of figured out how to emulate a Chromecast I guess

#

Its good enough for now

scenic radish
#

Damned if you do, damned if you don't @fiery sorrel 😂

unreal orbit
#

Emulate a chromecast? Why?

dusk lodge
#

@unreal orbit I want to be able to cast to my monitor

scenic radish
#

Does this involve duct tape in any way

fiery sorrel
#

rubber band ?

dusk lodge
#

But the catch is well, I want to actually cast to the desktop, not just the monitor in general

unreal orbit
#

I have one automation that's pretty much pure duct tape and rubber bands. I'm almost proud of how disgusting it is

scenic radish
#

I have a gross double-script automation that gradually transitions the volume on one of my speakers down to 0

dusk lodge
#

Figured out how to do it in a different way than I was expecting but basically, I have a rule where on youtube.com/tv# (and only that url) it will send a Sony Bravia or something userstring because otherwise it just tells you it's not a TV

pine pond
#

I have TTS automations immediately followed by spotcast, I've yet to figure out how to stop it going "good morni-" and being cut of 25% of the time 🤣

scenic radish
#

Delay

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Or wait template

dusk lodge
#

Then you pair it once with your account, and as long as you have YouTube.com/tv# open, it'll act as a Cast receiver in that tab

scenic radish
pine pond
#

Yup haha, not asking for help just moaning about my own duct tape automations haha

scenic radish
#

Oh I know you weren't @pine pond just letting you know I'd gladly offer solutions there if you wanted

dusk lodge
#

oh the downside is it seems to be limited to 720p for some odd reason

#

which I might need to check out

pine pond
#

Nah, then I'll lose the fun of spending 5 hours troubleshooting 🤣

dusk lodge
#

I think it pulls the Chrome tab's resolution rather than Chrome's actual resolution

scenic radish
#

Heh

fiery sorrel
#

i never got cast to work with my avahi proxy, so i didn't even look at it

dusk lodge
#

now if only I could use a remote with this...

#

I guess I could use a normal remote for Windows like Universal Remote, but emulating an Android TV would be even cooler

fiery sorrel
#

i think my harmony could controle youtube tv, or the android tv app might have some api somewhere

pine pond
#

I kept thinking when talking in the other channels "gosh I wish there was an off-topic channel, I really just want to talk about random stuff"

... and then realised when I joined the server I hid all the channels I didn't care for at the time 😅

dusk lodge
#

lol

fiery sorrel
#

wait, there is an off topic chan ? how blind am i Oo

#

can't find ... 😞

tidal bronze
low harness
#

Thanks for making me look that up on wikipedia. I always wondered about the name of those biscuits.

#

Apparently, they do have a medical origin.

clever mortar
#

If you can, Inside The Factory had an episode that covered it

dusk lodge
#

I've just found out, 2 years since owning it, that my motherboard does actually have controllable lighting built into it

#

Lmao

#

There's a yellow strip that goes down the left side of the board (b360hd3), but even in BIOS settings you can't really edit it

#

after downloading RGB Fusion 2.0 turns out there's on | breathe | off settings, but you are stuck at an unchangeable brightness and it is always yellow

fiery sorrel
#

that covered it
@clever mortar How is it called ? i mean the biscuit :)

dusk lodge
#

interesting to learn though

low harness
#

Digestive

fiery sorrel
#

oh those !

#

i never though it had more than the name... i'll look it up :)

#

when i see a sea of biscuit like that, on a convoyer belt ... just wayting for me ... 🤤

clear ferry
fiery sorrel
#

you have to be quite sadistic to make kid show about java anyway ... so it make sense you don't find any :°

hushed basalt
#

Computer components are like Tediore. They should be locked away in a metal box with no windows and kept out of sight.

#

It would drive me insane having lights coming from inside my case

scenic radish
#

> assuming my life isn't already like that

hearty depot
#

I feel you @hushed basalt and here I have RGB dimms 🤢

hushed basalt
#

Did you say sinks first

hearty depot
#

Auto correct

hushed basalt
#

My brain was like

hearty depot
#

Should have said no :D

hushed basalt
#

My motherboard has a white led trace on it

#

But my case is fully enclosed unless you peak through the rear fan grill

#

That reminds me I need to replace one of my fans

#

But it's winter so meh

hearty depot
#

Every side of mine is someway open

hushed basalt
#

🤢

hearty depot
#

Either I wait or sell the dimms - didn't checked Mainboard compability so I only can use 2100 from 3200 mhz

scenic radish
#

My mini PC uses...

#

🥁

#

1066 MHz RAM lol

hushed basalt
#

4KB ram should be enough for you

hearty depot
#

What is that RAM FOR ANTS ? GWaobloChildPepeSweat

#

Enough to fly to space actually

hushed basalt
#

I want some more ddr3 for my sff nodes

#

But it's so expensive

scenic radish
#

Ehh it seems fine tbh

hushed basalt
#

$200 AUD for 4 x 8GB

hearty depot
#

AliExpress?

#

Your near to China anyway

scenic radish
#

Dude wtf

hushed basalt
#

🇨🇳

#

That's used too

#

From china on ebay

hearty depot
#

It's so nice - i almost never had to pay import taxes. Really loving ali

scenic radish
#

It's like 100 USD for 4 x 8GB

#

Why tf is it so 'spensive in Straya

hushed basalt
#

AliExpress is not a bad idea

#

I'll have to wait like 2 days but I'm patient

#

2 months...

hearty depot
#

The I have in my main pc are 80€ for 2*8gb

#

Working well and relyable

hushed basalt
#

It'll be pot luck if they work

#

But at 20% of the cost it's worth a punt

hearty depot
#

Yea :D no shit. Was worried as hell first

hushed basalt
#

Okay so it'll be about $140 from aliexpress

hearty depot
#

For?

#

8GDDR3 ? Sounds unreasonable

meager flume
#

Anyone got experience with AMD 3000G?

#

Tis a $50 chip

scenic radish
#

WhAt WiLl ThEy ThInK oF nExT??

meager flume
#

Can that run pihole tho

scenic radish
#

Heh

#

You can play crysis on it

meager flume
#

Americans always get the best flavors

#

Tried beef jerky in USA

#

Loved it

#

Wanted to buy it here

#

Its literally 5-6 as expensive as in usa

scenic radish
#

😱

#

Did you just assume my country

meager flume
#

Did i assume wrong? Huehue

scenic radish
#

heh

#

NO BUT STILL

#

Anyway, didn't know there's a beef jerky flavor. Need.

meager flume
#

No i mean

#

Beef jerky itself

#

I randomly thought of usa perks

#

Beef jerky #1 obviously

scenic radish
#

Ohhhhhhh

#

Yeah I love beef jerky

meager flume
#

I think it was Jack Links Peppered flavor that was absolute amazing

scenic radish
#

DUDE

#

literal favorite

#

I just mentioned that in here the other day lmao

meager flume
#

Yeah that is bomb man

#

I was on Hawai which is still way more expensive than mainland i think

#

But I ate so much of it

scenic radish
#

Probably

meager flume
#

Holy crap

#

I was looking to import it but fees are insane

scenic radish
#

Oof

meager flume
#

There’s some ‘dUtCh mAdE bEeF jErKy’ here

#

But cant beat jack links

#

You guys also get affordable parts for literally anythijg

#

Feelsbadman

scenic radish
#

It's like 5 or 6 USD for a 3 oz (90 g) pack of Jack links beef jerky. Pretty expensive but worth it

meager flume
#

Let me look up what thatd cost me

scenic radish
#

10-12 USD for the 10 oz (285 g) pack

meager flume
#

100g will cost me ~30 USD

scenic radish
#

In my effort to actually use the metric system more I know that one fluid oz is about 30 mL and one ounce is about 28 g

#

30 USD??? Wtf man

meager flume
#

Oh no wait

#

Its like

#

18 ISD

#

USD

#

Hahaha mate I tried the conversions few days back, I gave up

scenic radish
#

Still bad but not quite as bad lmao

#

I just wish the US used the metric system more widely

meager flume
#

I think Canada is even worse, they use both

scenic radish
#

So is "mate" actually common nomenclature or is that just a stereotype

meager flume
#

I talk with a lot of Brits so I kind of got it from them

scenic radish
#

Ah

meager flume
#

If you see me talk more often you will see a mix of American English and British English

#

Is it weird to call someone mate over there? hehe

scenic radish
#

Gotta say, I think "you wanker" is hilarious

#

Not common for sure

meager flume
#

Wanker is honestly the best insult ever

scenic radish
#

YA WANKAH

meager flume
#

oi m8 u wankah

scenic radish
#

Knob is hilarious

meager flume
#

Or knobhead

#

Innit

#

If I ever get in a verbal fight with a Brit i'll probably laugh my ass off

scenic radish
#

But yeah, "mate" is definitely very uncommon in the US

#

Heh I probably would do

meager flume
#

Whats the US equivalent of mate?

#

bud?

scenic radish
#

man maybe?

dusky plank
#

dude

scenic radish
#

What's up man?

meager flume
#

Bud sounds kind of southern to me

scenic radish
#

Or dude, yeah

meager flume
#

YO i gotta ask

#

What is the deal with everyone saying 'how are you?' but not expecting a respons

#

e

scenic radish
#

Lmao

meager flume
#

That was the weirdest thing ever to me

scenic radish
#

Tbh I hate that

#

I keep it to a "hey"

dusky plank
#

best answer to how are you:
yeah and you?

meager flume
#

Like i'd respond to the Walmart cashier 'I'm good man, how are you doing?'

#

And he'd just stare at me

scenic radish
#

😂

#

Actually at the grocery stores by me it's usually a "how's it going?" "good, you?" "Good"

meager flume
#

At least better than nothing at all

scenic radish
#

"absolutely fucking terrible, let me tell you about this guy Jerry"

meager flume
#

It also felt surreal when I sat in some diner and my friend was still eating, some waitress walked up, took my plate and just smacked the bill down

#

LOL

scenic radish
#

That's some rude shit

meager flume
#

I did love the weird looks when I started talking Dutch to my friend

#

It sounds horrible to you guys

#

With the hard 'G'

scenic radish
#

I've had some servers ask "are you done?" while already taking my plate away and I'm like nooooooooooope

meager flume
#

Jesus

scenic radish
#

Rare though

meager flume
#

It's just some habits that are often portrayed in movies that actually turn out to be real (in my experience)

#

But loved my stay either way

#

USA is something a lot of Europeans only see in movies so we're a bit out of touch hehe

scenic radish
#

Heh

#

Well if you're ever in Chicago lemme know, I know some good restaurants to go to

#

You ever had an Italian beef sandwich?

meager flume
#

Hahahaha

#

Hold on

#

before i continue

#

Is it italian?

scenic radish
#

Doubtful

meager flume
#

Let me google that

#

It looks like it would clog my arteries but i'd probably eat 10 of them

scenic radish
#

Lmao

#

So good. There's a place by me called Luke's that's awesome

meager flume
#

Is Chicago a fun place for a tourist?

scenic radish
#

Protip: deep dish pizza is overrated. We have really good thin crust too

#

Yeah there's a lot of stuff to do

meager flume
#

I've only been in NYC and Hawai so my view of USA is profoundly distorted

scenic radish
#

I've been told we're pretty nice actually

meager flume
#

I'll add that to the list of potential ones. I don't care for West Coast, which is a popular destination for a lot of europeans

brazen fable
#

@scenic radish you live in chicago?

meager flume
#

But I doubt i'd want to go to USA anytime soon though

brazen fable
#

And deep dish is not over rated. It's great.

meager flume
#

Current events dont make it really attractive from what I hear, but that also might be media looking for clicks

brazen fable
#

Nah people are going nuts

dull chasm
#

chicago is too city .....need to get where the good food is

brisk glen
#

its turning into a shithole here

brazen fable
#

I'd wager like 50% of it is people tired of being cooped up inside. They can't handle it because they're weak

brisk glen
#

no one has masks

meager flume
#

That sucks for you guys though

dull chasm
#

is only a shithole in city's ....country is fine

scenic radish
#

@brazen fable used to, now in the near south burbs. Oak lawn

brazen fable
#

I grew up in Oak lawn

meager flume
#

Kinda glad our protestors keep distance and just turn in shitloads of signatures to get statues removed

scenic radish
#

I like our thin crust more than deep dish

brisk glen
#

covid hospitalizations are a record high here

scenic radish
#

To some that's a hot take

meager flume
#

Wait what

#

Covid still growing big there?

brazen fable
#

Covid is about to explode in America

#

With all the riots and protests

brisk glen
#

yay reopening and little shits not wearing masks

meager flume
#

Man I avoided the news last couple days because it doesn't do any good so far

scenic radish
#

Yeah covid is spiking in some areas

meager flume
#

Seems like I still shouldnt

brazen fable
#

@scenic radish I'm way up north now in the Barringtons

scenic radish
#

Illinois is apparently #1 in declining cases

#

@brazen fable ah gotcha

brazen fable
#

Right by all the old mafia

#

And I was born in Bridgeport. Go ahead and put 2+2 together

meager flume
#

Jesus USA has like 33% of the worlds covid cases

scenic radish
#

Heh

meager flume
#

But hey

#

You got affordable beef jerky though

#

I still pay shitloads

dull chasm
#

what is wrong with perception of usa in the news ....what you see is only 20 percent maybe ....rest of rural america is good

scenic radish
#

Vas is about to explain how he makes his own beef jerky

meager flume
#

Yeah

#

Too bad feelgood news doesnt generate as much ad revenue 😦

brazen fable
#

Yeah this shit only hits cities TBH. They love to tear themselves apart

dull chasm
#

@scenic radish i do with vension

brazen fable
#

Which is exactly why I moved far from the city

#

If they rioted out here they'd all be dead

scenic radish
#

HA I KNEW IT!

meager flume
#

Hehehe

dull chasm
#

^^^^ city slicker

meager flume
#

Scolias

#

What state are you in?

brazen fable
#

Illinois

#

But I live by all the old Italian Mafia, and we're probably all related if you go back far enough

#

Capone had 8 siblings

scenic radish
#

Alright it's beer and borderlands time

meager flume
#

Enjoy!

scenic radish
#

Thanks m8

#

😛

meager flume
#

You'll see me more often here, asking around like a clueless asshat

scenic radish
#

Heh

#

You'll see me here...too often

meager flume
#

😆

scenic radish
#

Alright one last question before I go, can anyone else see 120Hz flicker? My TV has a "clear action" setting that flashes the backlight at 120Hz to reduce motion blur. Works well but I can see a flicker, particularly in light areas of the screen

brazen fable
#

Why are you playing on a TV

#

PC Master race

scenic radish
#

Console pleb

brazen fable
#

Build a real rig

#

😄

scenic radish
#

What if I told you you can play on a TV with a PC too

meager flume
#

I honestly think it's a trade-off of the clear action setting

brazen fable
#

I'm aware. I have a TV hooked up to my computer lol

meager flume
#

Isn't there some game mode on the TV?

#

Surely a 120Hz TV has some optimization options

brazen fable
#

But I much prefer my fast response monitor

#

1440p goodness

meager flume
#

cries in 1080p

brazen fable
#

all with minimal input lag

meager flume
#

I only stepped in the PC realm about two months ago though, so i'm happy for now

scenic radish
#

It is indeed a trade-off, the TV settings say "sensitive users may notice flicker." Guess I'm sensitive ❄️

meager flume
#

Hahahahah

#

My medium level AMD build is happy with my 1080p

scenic radish
#

My stock Xbox one x build is happy with my 1080p

#

Now @brazen fable this may make you scream, but... || I'm happy with 60 FPS ||

meager flume
#

Let's hope next gen brings something cool to the table

brazen fable
#

oof

meager flume
#

ThE HuMan EyE CanT sEe mOrE ThAn 60 fPs

scenic radish
#

Lmao

brazen fable
#

I push 120fps on most games

#

But 3 monitors and 1440p

meager flume
#

I mean i'd like to push it all a bit higher, but apparently I bought a screamer of a GPU

#

I dislike fans more than I dislike 60FPS

scenic radish
#

Heh

#

My 10-year-old laptop that I'm using as a desktop shoots up to 90C when playing a video lol

meager flume
#

Sounds like a laptop alright

wet pilot
#

@meager flume gogo water block

brazen fable
#

cpuz validator appears to be down

ocean mirage
#

ThE HuMan EyE CanT sEe mOrE ThAn 60 fPs
Yeah but you got two eyes so thats 120fps

brazen fable
#

RIP

scenic radish
#

fan at 4500 RPM
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

meager flume
#

@wet pilot Is that possible in a microATX build?

#

Im stupid with pcs

#

This is my first build... ever

hushed basalt
#

Monitors is a shame

ocean mirage
#

its possible in a ITX build

hushed basalt
#

You have to choose between gaming features and everything else

scenic radish
#

@clear ferry has a micro || bepis ||

wet pilot
#

m @clear ferry almost definitely

#

Starts getting tight with itx

ocean mirage
#

gaming features are overrated

meager flume
#

@wet pilot I just undervolted everything

#

heehhe

wet pilot
#

Lol

meager flume
#

Also got myself some noctua fans because stock is shit

wet pilot
#

Depending on your case you could probably get a pretty good water loop running

meager flume
#

Well...

#

q300L...

brazen fable
#

custom loops just ain't worth it TBH

#

they look pretty but don't really deliver

wet pilot
#

Custom is kinda the only way to go if you want to tie in your gpu

brazen fable
#

My corsair AIO's do just fine. GPU's don't really need water cooling

meager flume
#

Tell that to my RX580

#

oof

brazen fable
#

My 1080ti barely goes over 50c

wet pilot
#

A lot of the newer stuff runs hotter

brazen fable
#

my 3800x does run hot though

#

it's hotter than my 8700k

#

and that's with a better AIO cooler

wet pilot
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And if you get a reference cooler you're screwed by noise

hushed basalt
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I have no idea about pc components

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I don't keep up to date

brazen fable
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and thermal grizly

meager flume
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What is the matter with ryzen 5 3xxxx?

hushed basalt
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No point looking if I only buy every 5 years

meager flume
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my 3600 is hot as balls when i dont undervolt

wet pilot
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Not much

brazen fable
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my 3800 runs super hot

wet pilot
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Just dense

brazen fable
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i was actually surprised at how hot this thing runs

meager flume
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I dont mind it getting hot, I do mind the fan not keeping up and constantly changing RPM rapidly

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Its annoying as crap

wet pilot
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Cooler than the 10xxx parts from Intel XD

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Lower power draw too

brazen fable
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I had to order a portable A/C unit because my tech room is so hot

hushed basalt
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Have you tried running less tech :3

meager flume
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Just buy 10 meter+ cables, put in fridge --> profit

brazen fable
meager flume
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Googling conversions....

brazen fable
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To be fair, I've got a lot of tech in this room

meager flume
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29celsius

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Damn

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Is it really a cave or just the attic? 😄

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26*

brazen fable
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No it's a bedroom

meager flume
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I'm glad our hot temperatures never stick hehe

brazen fable
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It's aight. When i get this auxillary a/c installed i'll be cool as a cucumber

meager flume
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Won't be good on the power draw i suppose hehe

brazen fable
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I use as much power by myself as a family of 10

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Or so the power company tells me

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It's aight, solar panels inc.

meager flume
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Seems like a proper investment then yeah 😄

hushed basalt
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I replaced my stock cpu cooler with a bequiet 120mm

brazen fable
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Also to be fair, i can completely run my business from home

hushed basalt
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Quiet af

brazen fable
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and i've got a server here for offsite backups

hushed basalt
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Turns out it was a bad chassis fan that was making all the noise but oh well

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I try to keep my rack under 200w

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Sitting at 120w atm

brazen fable
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my personal home server burns 120w+ just by itself lol

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That's what i did with the 8700k

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I haven't even measured my storage array

scenic radish
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My server and networking equipment pulls a spicy 25 W total

hushed basalt
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Reckless

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How many rpi zeros could you run off that 25w

ocean mirage
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like 60?

hushed basalt
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Think of all the rpiz you're depriving of power

ocean mirage
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I am a little scared to see what my home server draws at idle

hushed basalt
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What sort of server is it

ocean mirage
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NAS/plex/HA/etc

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all eggs

scenic radish
hushed basalt
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No as in what hardware

ocean mirage
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xeon E5-2670 in a big ol gigabyte dual socket board

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had two in there for a bit

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its not going to be crazy high numbers, just high idle compared to newer things

hushed basalt
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What do you all think about all-in-one router and server for parents

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I was thinking of getting an medium sized optiplex for my mum to run HA

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And figured I could put proxmox on it and run opnsense as well

ocean mirage
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I don't like the idea of it

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while I have many eggs in one basket I wouldn't put my network in the same basket

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network should be separate and easy to troubleshoot, imo

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and old people need something they can just unplug and plug back in lol

hushed basalt
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She would have no idea what to do with either a simple router or a single box she plugs into the fttp

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So she'd be relying on me entirely

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Plus there's the old router still there as a backup

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I'll think about it. I can always change it later. Only sunken cost is a NIC

ocean mirage
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ah fair enough

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if it works then its nice

hushed basalt
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Optiplexs are hard to beat

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$260 shipped from Australia with i5, 8gb and 128gb ssd

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Will probably idle at 15w and can fit 3 x sata drives

ocean mirage
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nice

hushed basalt
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1 x 3.5" and 2 x 2.5" jammed in there

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And 2 x pcie slots and internal power supply

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Wayyyyy better than a NUC

ocean mirage
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for sure

hushed basalt
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It'll need to do some NVR duties as well

ocean mirage
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I've been meaning to do that since I moved in but havent yet, 15 months later

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im not so fussed anymore

hushed basalt
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It's worthwhile

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Even if you put surveillance microsd cards in the cameras themselves

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I doubt most junkies will rip cameras off ceilings to pull cards out

ocean mirage
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I'd probably get a dedicated 8TB or two for footage storage if I did it, separate to my main unraid array

hushed basalt
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Yeah don't use unraid for it

ocean mirage
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since I would use PoE anyway

hushed basalt
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I'd just get one drive if you want to chance it

ocean mirage
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well it'll be on my unraid server but not using its storage because that could be problems

hushed basalt
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The likelyhood of your drive failing while simultaneously getting robbed are low

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Yeah that's what I meant

ocean mirage
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and ill use a separate ethernet port for the cameras too

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try separate as much I can

hushed basalt
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Just means you're churning vlan routing bandwidth for video

ocean mirage
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hmm

brazen fable
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If you have real network hardware it won't be an issue

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just get 10gig switch.

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they're cheap and do the job

hushed basalt
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Most 10g have crappy l3 unless you go really expensive

brazen fable
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even if you don't use the sfp+ the routing capacity is there

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There really isn't much usecase for L3 in a home

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nothing a decent router can't handle anyway

dusky plank
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there‘s also a opnsense for rpi3, not official though

brazen fable
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woo only 12.6 tb left to upload

ocean mirage
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I'm not great at networking, if I ever did it I'd just see how it went

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but I am really not fussed on cameras

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maybe one day when I have more free $$$

hushed basalt
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I would just put them on the same subnet but blacklist them from dialling home

ocean mirage
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I'll seek advice when I am at that stage I guess, I have so many things I'd spend on at home first

brazen fable
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nah different subnets are a good idea

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there are other benefits like reduce broadcast traffic etc

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and no inter-connection between devices

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1 compromised device can seek out and exploit other devices on the network. This would prevent that

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and it's really simple to just put things on different subnets nowadays

scenic radish
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Separate subnets doesn't immediately prevent communication though

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With firewall rules, yes

brazen fable
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Depends on the firewall

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There's no point in a separate subnet if you allow them to communicate

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unless you've run out of ipv4 addresses i suppose

scenic radish
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Well yeah. Just didn't want someone to think separate subnet == no comms between them

brazen fable
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Actually without seperate subnets im pretty close to filling a /24 lol

scenic radish
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Wtf

brazen fable
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30 addresses just for cameras, and then tons of VMS

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I have indoor and outdoor cams. Indoor cams are generally off, but automatically turn on when I leave and set the alarm to away mode

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😄

scenic radish
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I am nowhere close to filling a /24 especially with having a separate IoT VLAN

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And guest VLAN, for that matter

brazen fable
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yeh i have a guest vlan with a portal

scenic radish
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You using 10/24 subnet?

brazen fable
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no

scenic radish
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But it's so pretty

brazen fable
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I've been using 192 my entire life and I've got so many things just memorized

scenic radish
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Yeah that's fair

brazen fable
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like my personal rig will always be .100

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server will always be .102

scenic radish
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Ah, mine's 10.0.0.2

brazen fable
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and if i ever switch back to a comcast modem i don't want any fuckery with their shit

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because they use the 10. now

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Thank goodness for zwave

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I couldn't imagine having all my smarthome stuff as IP

dusky plank
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how do you guys deal with a site-to-site vpn and the same subnets?

brazen fable
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don't use the same subnet?

hushed basalt
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Change subnet haha

brazen fable
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just use a different subnet for the VPN and allow intra-vlan for those two nets

dusky plank
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yep thats why I use 10.0.57

brazen fable
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my wiregaurd is 10.0 yeh

hushed basalt
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I think we're a fair way off from ipv6 ubiquitiy

brazen fable
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Honestly I don't even want my devices to have ipv6 ever

hushed basalt
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It's a bit convoluted and I don't really understand much of it

brazen fable
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I just don't see the use for it, and for personal stuff ipv4 is just so much easier to work with than e3042:2342:234@:#41@:#$

scenic radish
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Well, ipv4 is nice for LAN to LAN comms

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But ipv6 is nice for WAN

brazen fable
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NAT works fine.

scenic radish
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Yeah, but we've run out of ipv4 lol

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And CG-NAT is gross

brazen fable
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oh yeah that's what you mean

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IPv6 for the main WAN but IPv4 for everything else

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and fuck CG-NAT

scenic radish
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I access my remote services over ipv6 to NGINX which proxy_pass to the LAN ipv4 addys

hushed basalt
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Kubernetes doesn't support dual stack

dusky plank
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I‘m supposed to have a dynamic adress for my residential line from my ISP, but it‘s been static the last five years and my isp doesn‘t even provide ipv6... so I guess we‘re not out of adresses yet 😄

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ftth though

hushed basalt
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Static is $10/m for me

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I just use dynamic dns

brazen fable
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Comcast residential doesn't even offer static

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I use no-ip yeh

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with my own domain

hushed basalt
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Same

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Has never failed me

scenic radish
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I just use ipv6

brazen fable
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i have 2 different subdomains pointing

hushed basalt
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I don't think ipv6 isn't a guarantee that your prefix will never change

brazen fable
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I really hope things swing back to normal soon because I think I'm going to try to get comcast gigabit pro installed again

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sweet sweet 3gbps symmetrical

dusky plank
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hah pay for static 😂 knocks on wood

brazen fable
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my ip rarely changes, but it does

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once every 6months or so

scenic radish
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@hushed basalt should be, there's no reason for the prefix to change

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But I do have a cronjob update my AAAA record in case

hushed basalt
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There's no reason but your isp could get bought out or change their stack

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As long as you've got a fallback

scenic radish
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Yeah and if I switch ISPs I suppose

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I do run dual stack though. I have an A record with my ipv4 WAN IP

dusky plank
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i actually have 2 Wans because I don‘t trust my ISPs fiber modem... I also access everything in my Lan via reverse proxy in between the modem and my router... am I paranoid? maybe

scenic radish
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Li'l

hushed basalt
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Your modem is on the wan side