But beware that shipper is concerning
#the-water-cooler
last plaza
@unreal orbit there is always something that we don’t like in each of them - it is a moving target.
undone aspen
Ring is cloud . Period
gentle ferry
damn
unreal orbit
Very true. They all have benefits and pitfalls
gentle ferry
that sucks
last plaza
Yep. I don’t like to keep all my eggs in one basket. I have pretty much all.
green inlet
Is t Zigbee the same as zwave but just a different freq?
last plaza
Yup
undone aspen
And a little less adopted pdobrien
unreal orbit
I'm sure I'll try zigbee eventually, I've just had such terrible luck with that frequency in my house
gentle ferry
but zwave is way more expensive according to what i see
unreal orbit
It's a proprietary frequency
last plaza
Atx uses powered ikea stuff that operates on zigbee - those powered devices act as repeaters and actively participate in mesh networking
green inlet
By the way, I got an inovelli switch for under 35.00. Zwave plus, scene control, led notification, and energy monitoring
Will see how it holds up
unreal orbit
Zwave stuff is getting pretty cheap nowadays
last plaza
Yup.
unreal orbit
The only reason I really have zwave is because there isn't really another option for door locks
last plaza
If you were to go with z-wave, go with z-wave plus.
green inlet
🤢
undone aspen
And Zwave!
unreal orbit
Yup, zwave is what I said
green inlet
There is enough work that goes into HAss. I just want my devices to work.
unreal orbit
The only devices I truly never have issues with are hardlined to ethernet
green inlet
That way I can spend more time on Skalavalas github figuring out templates
gentle ferry
@green inlet that's an expensive switch! imagine the cost of replacing every switch y u have in your house
i mean if one, then sure the price is good I guess
it's going to cost a lot if i want to replace every switch
green inlet
Ha. Most of my others are 50.00 homeseer switches
Every one, no.....I do it based on need
green inlet
I got sold on homeseer switches because of scene control.....haven’t even really used it. But they seem to be reliable and while others complain about a zwave network, mine just seems to work
Someone will prob 🤢 homeseer
ripe radish
green inlet
Yes it can.
At least ramp rate can. Both local and remote ramp rate
An on level can’t be done with an automation
rain swift
Do it
hushed basalt
I'll probably just end up with mirror vdevs in my soon to repurposed server
No ecc ram, like a boss
clear ferry
🤢
hushed basalt
Like I'm going to spend $400 on server mobos for a homelab
We don't all have sovereign hydro power funded by soverign oil
clear ferry
scenic radish
Pew pew
hushed basalt
I'd like to keep my base power consumption under 5kw ;)
Those odroids look pretty cool though
You can just add a pair of drives and nodes at a time
To expand your capacity
hushed basalt
Space heaters
sour escarp
Haha labs are funny
scenic radish
clear ferry
Nice, power is currently $0.002 per kwh
clear ferry
Nothing like some lukewarm ranch on a hot summer day - https://v.redd.it/jul7soweu5351
Wtf
clever mortar
Stay classy America
clear ferry
Stay ranchy
unreal orbit
At Walmart? Mild shock
clear ferry
Would never happen at Costco!
unreal orbit
Nothing happens at Costco now because it’s too hard to get in 🙁
clear ferry
I was at Costco last time I was in the states
Having to bring a collegue because you have to be a member to shop..
Was surreal
unreal orbit
Gate keeping to keep the ranch drinkers out
clear ferry
rare condor
Installed 12 Aliexpress Roller Blinds (Tuya flashed to Tasmota) Total cost $300USD, man they are fantasic, love how quiet they are and how seemless it works. Turn on TV and Blinds Close, feels futuristic in a way none of my other automations did.
rare condor
They literally have a rJ45 (with 5v, GND, TX, RX) so you can plug in any MCU you want
clear ferry
Roller blinds, reminds me of the 80s
unreal orbit
Got a link?
unreal orbit
I’m putting together possible solutions for window covering
rare condor
It these but prices are inflated due to COVID 😕 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000029088076.html
unreal orbit
I’ve been eye balling the aqara curtain system for a while. Just too much of a coward to take the risk
rare condor
Some elitz hacking skills on my Curtains: https://photos.app.goo.gl/FpPoRb28wpFdAdfR9
I have yet to had a bad Aqara Product
They all seem to work well
unreal orbit
Then I have to finally setup zigbee 
clear ferry
Aye, I have 20 odd aqara devices, all working fine
rare condor
It been 3 years and some are saying low battery, so should probs install new battery in those
I realised my Solar Panels are only generating 100W thanks to shading: https://photos.app.goo.gl/dUcyAiJyXnmWRddE6
clear ferry
Zigbee2mqtt @unreal orbit
rare condor
That's next project
Todo Sunday:
Blinds Setup
NodeRed Configuration
Switchboard - Washers, Stickers & Realign Busbar
Paint Roof Area (Skylight) + Light Touch up Gutter
[Long Term] Skylight Insulation, Batts
[Long Term] Tigo Optimizer
Vent Filler (Timber) 3mm
[Long Term] Replace Grand Vitara Radio - Stock
Siemens Logo (Pulse Counter - Water Meter)
I think I may have been a bit ambitious
unreal orbit
Oh I definitely was planning on zigbee2mqtt. I’ve already seen the light with zwave2mqtt
brazen fable
@unreal orbit what's your zwave2mqtt setup?
forest edge
Stay ranchy
@clear ferry you don't get to judge. you eat way worse lol
clear ferry
hushed basalt
My father in law and his wife are afraid of radiowaves
They don't have a microwave sigh emoji
And have one of those bullshit "electrowave meters"
ocean mirage
sounds familiar
hushed basalt
Don't want solar panels on their roof
Seem okay with using smartphones and wifi though :eyeroll:
Whenever you go to an affluent suburb and the mobile reception is garbage because of residents complaining about towers, that's them
Not In mY nEiGhBOuRHOoD
midnight adder
Very fasy question: whats is watchdog?
clear ferry
It is a computer term
Or a security term
Depending on what you are talking about
You mean like third world countries like murica @hushed basalt 🙉
green inlet
You mean you norwats don’t drink salad dressing from the bottle?
green inlet
Not sure which made me gag more
green inlet
I am not a big fan of fish so I can’t imagine fermenting it would change my mind. Never had whale. When I retire, I hope to travel the world. I love experiencing different cultures at the local level, outside of touristy stuff. Food is always high on the list.
clear ferry
An American traveling outside the us? I'll believe it when I see it
Also aren't you 76 already?
green inlet
I don’t look a day over 73
clear ferry
Not with that attitude
green inlet
I have been to Ireland, England, Canada, Mexico, Panama, Colombia, Bolivia. Would love to see the Dominican Republic, Italy, Paris, Australia
clear ferry
So already 6 more countries than most Americans
green inlet
Maybe even Norway if I could time it for the one warm day a year
clear ferry
Remember to bring all your savings, a hot dog cost $5
green inlet
Lmao....supply/demand? I mean, why eat hot dogs when fermented fish is readily available ?
green inlet
And having not had seal 🤷🏻♂️. Can you get buffalo wings anywhere over there?
green inlet
Well, have an awesome day. Off to build houses 😉
clear ferry
green inlet
If only.
late gate
@rare condor I see you say tigo optimizer. are you planning installing one? Just seeing tigo optimizer makes my back chill
rare condor
@late gate Yes and why? Is it because of the High Voltage DC or because you had a bad experience?
late gate
Is this tigo optimizer for solar panels just to make sure we are talking about the same thing?
hushed basalt
Buying a UPS off gumtree tomorrow
rare condor
yes
rare condor
ocean mirage
I need a ups... when I have money
late gate
you NEED to buy the CCA or they will kill your wifi and everything on 2,4ghz
hushed basalt
You can get them off gumtree dirt cheap if you're patient
Rackmounts always seem to sell dirt cheap
rare condor
@hushed basalt APC didn't have any stock of my 700VA model for RMA, so they sent me a 3000VA model: https://photos.app.goo.gl/hNEg5JzgSuVf6tmU8
hushed basalt
Tower models are held onto by SMB until they end up in the tip
ocean mirage
How do batteries on those things hold up over time?
hushed basalt
Probably 4-5 years if they're not used which they rarely are
rare condor
@late gate I was planning on getting no monitoring, just installing two where my panels are shaded by my Evap Cooler
hushed basalt
Putting them on a ctek charger can renew some life
ocean mirage
Oh cool
hushed basalt
But the UPS I'm getting for $120 is $2000 rrp
ocean mirage
Nice
late gate
@frosty plank If you do that it will sit there and loop through all zigbee and wifi channels making them effective a jammer
hushed basalt
So even if I have to buy new batteries it's a steal
rare condor
@late gate Which Tigo Optimizer did you use? I see nothing about this issue online, I see they use IEEE 802.15.4 LR-WPAN (2.4ghz), but to get UL certification they cannot act like a Jammer, otherwise they would fail, furthermore they have to comply with RCM testing in Australia which again has RF testing to ensure that doesn't happen.
Are using suggesting without the TigoAP they cycle through the 2.4GHZ spectrum blocking WIFI, Zigbee and the like. Any sources on this as this is the first I have heard.
late gate
same models you linked to
rare condor
@hushed basalt Nice! You can buy decent UPS batteries on eBay cheap if you need to Panasonic ones are good
late gate
im not suggesting. its a fact. I struggled with this for years after figuring out it was the optimizers
When the sun came up all 2,4ghz and zigbee crashed and I could not figure out why
tigo refuse to recognize it
I had to buy a CCA to stop them scanning
rare condor
Are you sure it wasn't just faulty units on your end?
late gate
and they scan from they get pwoer
rare condor
Any other people have this issue?
rare condor
Like if it were that bad you would reckon there would be lots of complaints??
@late gate I believe you, but I can't find any other people complaining, so not sure if its isolated to you?
late gate
on the norwegian forum several people complain, but its mostly isoltated to tech people
most solar is installed in non tech homes so they have no clue
hushed basalt
@rare condor thanks I'll check out ebay
Although I'm not sure what shipping is like to wa
rare condor
surely, there is a higher correlation of tech people installing solar (higher disposable income, more interest, more likely to own EV, etc.)
late gate
I Pm you some details
hushed basalt
For the brit developers here
Are salaries pretty crap for developers in the UK?
From what I've seen on reddit they seem not that great
Obviously there's a spectrum
clear ferry
@hushed basalt just come to the proper country already
clear ferry
Norwegian average salary for a front end developer appears to have been $70k in 2017
Good thing about all salaries and taxes being open in Norway, you can guesstimate your worth, unlike murica where when I bring it up they go
hushed basalt
Seems like it's similar to Perth
Although Perth probably has a lower cost of living
rare condor
Why is it 10:00Pm I haven't even started on the frontend to this .NET application yet! 😣
hushed basalt
Perths tech pay to cost of living is actually quite good
rare condor
I heard you're water is terrible though, we have a lot of flow meters returned from Perth's Hard water
hushed basalt
Yeah depends on the region
I'm north east and it's hard af
Not good for my daughters eczema
Or our soap and detergent consumption
Or anything
I'm definitely getting a water softener when we buy a house
light trout
Those numbers look smal compared to the folks I know that work with it 🤷
light trout
Even entry level where I work is higher than that "average"
late gate
next level of lazyness
dull chasm
i am with the puppy.......good times and happy days
wintry crow
New Paul Hibbert video on yt today.... OOOOH THE ZIGBEE
unreal orbit
@brazen fable sorry, what do you mean? I’m using an aeotec stick and a zwave2mqtt docker container
rare condor
So my target was to finish my program today, I wrote one class, then watched youtube for 3 hours and investigated how to build a shed.
I wish I was able to focus more 😅
rain swift
Coffee?
clear ferry
Coffee definitely doesn't help with ADHD
clever mortar
But it feels like it does...
clear ferry
forest edge
Coffee definitely doesn't help with ADHD
@clear ferry Attendance Deficient Homework Deleter?
Abundantly Dense Have Diaper?
dull chasm
excuse for bad behavior ^^^^
rain swift
I don't NEED any excuse for bad behavior. 😎
late gate
@rain swift I will send my huskies on you! (If they get out of bed, cause they are lazy)
rain swift
Ha, hahahahahaha
eager vortex
scenic radish
Haven't had issues with an update in a long time (except for a beta build that was borked)
Though, I can't speak for HassOS
forest edge
yea well thats cause you don't view hue garbage as "issues" lol
clear ferry
Yeah, I haven't had issues since 0.9x
forest edge
just messing with you on that hue stuff
calendar thing is nice, like how it pulls from google. be neat if you could actually add stuff to it throgh ha
sorry ludeeus but i actually liked the old look of hacs better 😋
clear ferry
But you also liked the 50s
forest edge
and? who dosen't?
50's knew how to make appliance. sorry but you can't protect yourself from a nuke hiding in today's modern refrigerators like you could with those classics
clear ferry
Gotta keep the reds in check, see
brazen fable
I think I'm about done with the nortek stick
green inlet
@brazen fable , that’s what she said.
scenic radish
rain swift
Is there something you want to tell us.
forest edge
I knew it @hushed basalt isn't human
scenic radish
Ah makes sense
hushed basalt
Military field racks look fascinating
Imagine trying to ship stuff from like washington to an outpost in the middle east
Being handled by 19 year old grunts
Found your next gaming case
@scenic radish
scenic radish
Lol love it
ocean mirage
GT10?
Or whatever
I had one of those in black, no idea why, hideous case
And now you can get it in the colour of imperialism?
scenic radish
When you can't have a bonfire, use what you can
scenic radish
I ended up removing one of the heat tents and turning one burner off. Much more effective and uses 50% less fuel!
shy comet
@scenic radish im surprised you went outside for that 😛 should've just used the stove 😛
scenic radish
Ehh, it was nice out tonight lol
Plus marshmallow drips are easier to clean up on a grill than inside
ocean mirage
Whatever gets you off
scenic radish
ever since android 6 marshmallow came out i've felt no need to root
good times though, i remember using gravitybox to tweak some settings
hushed basalt
Samsung
🤢
It's the windows vista of phone OSs
I just want pure untouched android
It's at the point where I either buy a new phone to get rid of this bloatware or root it
One of those options doesn't involve me spending $800+ and let's me keep my sdcard and headphone jack
clear ferry
@hushed basalt usually they ship whole containers, not a 4u shipping box though
hushed basalt
What about like small outposts though
I have no idea though
Can't fit a shipping container in a blackhawk ammiright
Btw what sort of speeds have you seen on 8 bay hardware controllers with spinning rust
hushed basalt
Sequential writes
clear ferry
Usually for spinning rust we say 180 iops per drive, versus 50-250k iops per ssd
hushed basalt
Basically the reees on the homelab discord said you'd never need >1Gbit unless you had ssd storage
And I said I've seen hardware raid DASs saturate 1G speeds several times over in 8 bay hdds
I think they just couldn't comprehend that a high quality raid controller in raid6 could see over 100MBytes
hushed basalt
Yeah this was in sata but WD golds
clear ferry
Also, 8 bays? What is this? Storage for ants
hushed basalt
Thunderbolt DAS desk mounted
It was even 8 x 2TB too :D
Maybe it was SAS I can't remember
The controller definitely supported sas
clear ferry
Only video people who do local drive still are the close to death guys, everybody else just works on the san
hushed basalt
Yeah well this was an edit suite
clear ferry
With 250+ SSDs
hushed basalt
When the camera footage uses 1TB/hour and you want to render in several times realtime
clear ferry
Still no issue with 32Gbit FC and 10Gbit to workstations
hushed basalt
True
But we didn't even have a san then
Single workstation so not much point
We had 8G FC in the old suite ;)
From like 2008
Decommisioned in 2015 🤢
clear ferry
Or the leet guys that have a dedicated machine in the DC that has 40Gbit ethernet, or just 32Gbit FC and work over Nvidia RGS or similar
clear ferry
Lol consumer drives
clear ferry
Read up on 3par chunklets, that's a proper way to do data distribution and fault tolerance
hushed basalt
Hdd prices are insane atm
clear ferry
Nobody buys HDDs anymore in the enterprise space
I would say 98% is SSD
Been like that since SSDs passed HDDs in capacity
hushed basalt
How much is a 4TB enterprise ssd though
clear ferry
Some big number, but 80-90% discounted
But it's been a while since I saw 4TB
Mostly 8 or 16 these days
32 creeping in now
hushed basalt
Why heavily discounted?
clear ferry
Because all hardware in enterprise is
And the more you buy or a competition is undercutting, the more discounts
I've seen SSDs sold with 99.5% discount
hushed basalt
During covid downturn my old company would just undercut the main startup competitor
Because they're bigger and could ride it out while he was a sole operator
clear ferry
That is what enterprise hardware does every day
Undercutting on the initial sale, overpricing upgrades and expansions
wet pilot
Also licensing is the main money maker
wet pilot
Or support contracts
clear ferry
Support contracts is expensive unless you pay it up front, if you buy 5 years up front it is Hella cheaper than 3 years then two additional years
hushed basalt
5 years seems to make the most sense
Enterprise gear should be good for 5 years in my unqualified opinion
But the other guy was undercutting first. Buying A level gear and renting it out at 30% market rate
wet pilot
I think 3 on laptops for the masses is plenty though
wet pilot
Right
clear ferry
Most enterprise gear lives for 7 year tbh
Because customers suck at migrating
I still have a customer with 4 generations storage all running
Each one was supposed to replace the previous one
@wet pilot all products in Norway are 3 year by default, but usually vendors match the Norwegian automatic policy of 5 years
clear ferry
slate marsh
Yeah IPv6 really hasn’t rolled out here (UK) at all
clear ferry
Most ISPs in Norway have it, but only if you use their router
Which I haven't done for close to 20 years
Many universities are full ipv6 stack already though
But I haven't seen a single customer outside of universities that even run anything ipv6
ocean mirage
atx you ever finish a guitar before?
clear ferry
Yeah, I got platinum in Stratocaster, but only gold in Les Paul
Got all the achievements
clear ferry
I love natural wood Stratocasters
ocean mirage
I think itll look good
few funny spots that might be wood filler but it wont ruin it
clear ferry
I have this finish on mine, I like it https://images.app.goo.gl/nQfK8XjPaDFgcof48
ocean mirage
oh yeah thats nice
clear ferry
But all wood with oil is definitely prettier
ocean mirage
mine might not be lol
clear ferry
Noice
ocean mirage
and I dont like a black pickguard
hushed basalt
K8s doesn't even support dual stack
clear ferry
Pathetic!
clear ferry
Easy, just get @scenic radish to configure it!
scenic radish
😦
late gate
altibox still uses 6rd, so not real ipv6 imo
clear ferry
I've tried getting ipv6 to work with Telenor, no go with pfsense or opnsense so far, but with the default router it works
clever mortar
Yeah, getting IPv6 to work is something that concerns me about switching to OPNsense
Got too used to it "just working" 😄
dull chasm
well 🤔 you are old and grumpy
green inlet
Old, not grumpy
dull chasm
if your old == grumpy
green inlet
I resemble that remark.
clever mortar
To be fair, I've always been grumpy
green inlet
Of course I often out do people 10 years my younger
dull chasm
well me too ... so lets have a whiskey and let the youngens fight it out
clever mortar
dull chasm
🤣 but we can afford to buy more while the youngens are broke
green inlet
We should probably wait about 30 minutes. I don’t touch booze before 9:30 am
clever mortar
As the song says, it's 5 o'clock somewhere
green inlet
There is a bar where I used to live named that. Thought it was very clever.
clever mortar
Bar near me was called the Office
green inlet
Ooooh, there was a bar at my college called the library. They had shirts that said, “if mom calls, tell her I am at the library” 🤣
All good stuff.
kind dawn
Hey has anyone heard of tracksolid, i've been using it since Automatic announced they are stopping their service.
hushed basalt
Youngish
ocean mirage
You bought your first house at age 6, you grew up fast
ocean mirage
Can’t even keep your story straight
It’s all a lie
I bet you don’t even live in Norway, you are probably Danish or something
clear ferry
Yes, I'm a 14 year old girl from Slovakia, I only own the cardbox I live in, I work at the coal plant
dull chasm
i was thinking i would fly out to @clear ferry place but dont know if i could take the city life and his/its short skirt
clear ferry
green inlet
I know right. @clear ferry getting a little racey with his emojis. I for one like it
Dancing frogs 🤢
clear ferry
You like it 
green inlet
For some odd reason I am partial to the rear end of female emojis over dancing frogs. I don’t know. Call me crazy 🤣
I can’t even see that last one on mobile
clear ferry
green inlet
So, yesterday I made the decision to re-define my flower beds. Decided I wasn’t going to do it without the proper tool. Went to the local tool rental place and rented a bed-redefiner. Worked great.
forest edge
@clear ferry did you have a good birthday?
clear ferry
Yes, had my catheter emptied and was rolled over to my left side
last plaza
low harness
That format is popping up more and more all over the place. I hate it!
You could present more data more clearly AT A GLANCE with a tried-and-true line graph!
How many more computers are sold over all now compared to ... whatever year this was started - luckily this time it's a video and not a GIF, so I actually can go back and check the range ?
Hold on, let me get a pen and I'll tell you in a few minutes.
lavish eagle
nope
that is english
it occasionally does things like that
but if i shift-f5 it fixes it
low harness
Because it looks like a case of missing translation strings.
I was just about to suggest a cache refresh, yes.
Weird that it happens more than once, though...
lavish eagle
probably because i'm running it on a raspberry pi 2b and sd card
low harness
Maybe, but I doubt it.
clever mortar
Well... that's either a #frontend-archived or one of the install method channel topics 😉
dusk lodge
Hi everyone
I've come to ask about whether there's a potential issue in this ghetto sounding idea : a wireless keyboard duct taped to a wall, with the dongle in a raspi, which has macros so that e. g. the Q key sends a command through the LIFX API or other smart APIs
As far as I can tell this would cost me about £3 and is probably the cheapest (even if crazy) way to have a working "smart" light switch for my A60 🤔
clear ferry
That sounds horrible
dusk lodge
course it is, so's paying £40 for a "smart button" tho
for the record the keyboard would be recessed, and just a numpad
hearty depot
lol? shake 😄 was'nt aware
severe patio
I think there are different versions. With or without gyro
(based on a quick search on Ali)
clever mortar
There are
hearty depot
i have like 10 of the round ones around, just thourght that the square ones where the old ones
clear ferry
Makes no sense to shake it though as it is glued to my wall
hoary wasp
shaking something that's glued to a wall is how you separate the worthy from the unworthy. 💪
"if you really wanted to activate that scene, you'd find a way!"
clear ferry
California style
forest edge
I wish roku had a cast ability like the google cast
hearty depot
seen the news - but not the making of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbVcRQQ9PNw
hushed basalt
New Zealanders can get 2000/2000 for the price of our 1000/50
If you're part of the lucky 15% who can even get that
hushed basalt
Are we sure Atx doesn't actually work for Dell
And Norway is actually a gulag and he's a propaganda agent to lure us in
forest edge
California.. only state where the highways are smooth enough for people running from police can do so without front tires lol https://youtu.be/AkfLmYG9zZ8
undone aspen
Blerg. I hate that my table saw doesn't use standard miter rails, and uses those crappy tabbed miter rails. :/
arctic wren
Hey all, I'm struggling with home assistant, I think because I don't know shit about linux really. I'm just dipping my feet in the virtual box waters, docker sounds super cool and i'd love to learn more about that as well. What's a good place for me to start so I can learn some linux fundamentals?
velvet horizonBOT
arctic wren
any particular distribution or does it matter?
undone aspen
Doesn't matter. I recommend though one of the major distros. Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, CentOS, etc. You get more of a feel for it if you run it as a Desktop, and use your Terminal application a lot.
undone aspen
Sure, sounds good. And then there's also IRC, or there is an Linux discord as well.
For you to ask questions. Just always remember, have a question, not ask to ask a question. 🙂
arctic wren
undone aspen
I know, right?!?
But, ugh.. Also, when buying a table saw, make sure you verify they don't have crappy miter slots. LOL
arctic wren
lol, I hear that. Tools i'm pretty good at, linux not so much.
but I do not have a table saw yet
undone aspen
Heh. I'm trying to make sleds for my Ryobi RTS12, and it's proving more difficult.
So, I'm going to end up taking apart the miter gauge and mounting THAT onto the bottom of my sled, so I can use the sled to make a better wood-based rabbitted thing. Though, I probably should just buy a router. LOL I have a router capable table. LOL
arctic wren
I’m just about to use my router for the first time to cut some foam for tool organization
undone aspen
heh
Hmmm... My curiousity has me, should I get a regular router, or a plunge router? LOL
arctic wren
I would say regular to start. I just got a cordless Milwaukee for now.
Cords are so annoying, especially on a router.
undone aspen
heh.
arctic wren
Or a jigsaw
undone aspen
Well, don't mind coorded for me. Since I do all my wood work in my garage, or out in front of my garage. 🙂
My work table also has a mount for a router. Husky table which is actually impressive., 🙂
arctic wren
Oh yes I’ve seen those with detachable legs right?
undone aspen
Yep.
arctic wren
Those are pretty slick
undone aspen
Pretty freaking solid. 😉
I have that, combined with a Ryobi 10" table saw, Kreg rip-cut jig, which I'm trying to affix to my older Ryobi 5 1/2" circular saw, coordless on that one.
dusk lodge
Are smart electricity sockets a thing? Don't think I've ever seen them
Specifically not smart plugs but actual sockets
dusk lodge
BS1363
Assuming you wanted "smart plugs" you'd need to buy a smart plug for every single socket, which doesn't look awfully clean and technically would cost more
But if you skipped the middleman...
undone aspen
Are you talking outlets?
Or, receptacle?
For example, this https://www.leviton.com/en/products/DZR15-1RZ (NEMA style)
dusk lodge
What would be the difference?
Not sure what NEMA is but that looks like it would work
arctic wren
I think we are talking U.S. plugs vs. European maybe?
undone aspen
NEMA plugs are the USA outlet format, also used in Japan, and a few other countries.
arctic wren
I have some leviton smart switches and they are great
hushed basalt
@arctic wren linuxserver.io is a good first introduction to docker
Well maintained stable images with eli5 documentation
Digitalocean have great general linux systems tutorials as well. They're geared to running stuff on their VMs but it's all transferable
Stay away from discord linux, it's all neckbeard "elites"
undone aspen
Heh. I dunno about that latter statement.
hushed basalt
I recommend moving to docker-compose rather than docker run sooner rather than later.
undone aspen
They just seem to be more keen on the SJW scene.
Personally... I recommend killing docker. Brutally.
forest edge
|| @scenic radish 🐡 ||
hushed basalt
THerE is No ReAsOn To rUn DebIaN oVR UBUnTu iN anY CiRcUmstAnces
Typical discord linux sentiment
scenic radish
I like Debian...
undone aspen
Debian is okay. I just hate the .deb format. 🙂
strange vapor
Why, the deb format is easy! It's just an ar archive with some files to define what is what!
green inlet
From the cli, 🤷🏼♂️, they are basically the same.
undone aspen
The repository for .deb is even worse. LOL
it's more the PROCESS of making packages, and repositories.
forest edge
just stick with windows and make your life easier
green inlet
@forest edge , is like the guy who delivered palates of bricks to every major city. 🤣
strange vapor
To be fair, it's fairly easy to make rpms etc, but once you figure out Debian packaging, it's handy enough. I will give you that Debian does need something like createrepo for a easier method to create repos 🙂
scenic radish
I do like windows for some desktop stuff, but after installing Debian on my desktop I wouldn't go back
hushed basalt
Debian desktop, you sick barstard
scenic radish
Heh
hushed basalt
Do you drive a 2003 volvo and eat gruel for breakfast
forest edge
I do like windows for some desktop stuff, but after installing Debian on my desktop I physically can't go back
@scenic radish fixed
undone aspen
@strange vapor Nor do they give you a decent method to mirror repositories. for standard repos. Either.. Which is a nightmare in specific company settings.
hushed basalt
Probably a better desktop option tbh
strange vapor
@undone aspen I've setup caching mirrors for Debian a few times, it wasn't hard at all.
scenic radish
But after using Raspbian server and regular Debian server for 1.5+ years I wanted to stick with Debian when installing it in my desktop
hushed basalt
Extremely boring and stable isn't necessarily what you want for a desktop
undone aspen
Heh., I switched from Fedora to Ubuntu.
wet pilot
Ubuntu desktop is fine. Server not so much
hushed basalt
Windows spyware isn't great though
wet pilot
But I'm a glutton for punishment and run fedora server
forest edge
anyone who nit picks linux flavors that are based off one another is a tard lol
hushed basalt
Between chrome and windows I might as well just post my dns requests on Facebook
undone aspen
Fedora, and "server" just doesn't f'ing work. Or mix well.
wet pilot
Eh, just upstream rhel
undone aspen
Not.... quite.
undone aspen
I mean, yes, RHEL uses some parts of Fedora, sure. But there's a LOT more involved in Fedora.
forest edge
@hushed basalt you have a choice to encrypt that lol
hushed basalt
When the desktop is compromised dns encryption won't do anything
forest edge
huh?
undone aspen
Hmmmm.. I just noticed my saw horses don't have saw grooves. 🤦♂️
forest edge
@hushed basalt DoH, look it up. heck it's baked into chrome as is
hushed basalt
Can you set it to cloudflare
forest edge
set it to whatevver you want
hushed basalt
And if chrome is sending metrics from the browser anyway
forest edge
I don't think it's what you think but igcognito dosen't send shit
quartz ether
Anyone using a Z-wave Flow meter on their hot water? To track when and how much hot water is being used?
green inlet
#SeriousQuestion. Is it illegal, immoral, or otherwise unethical to throw away the Oreo cookie and just eat the Birthday Cake cream? Asking for a friend.
scenic radish
so the shell command integration is pretty cool. you can basically make your own custom service call with optional custom service data. my TV's auto-brightness control is way too dim even on High, so i made a shell command that uses a pyvizio command (which is included in home assistant) to automatically enable/disable auto-brightness control. this is the shell command:
lr_tv_brightness_ctl: "pyvizio --ip=10.0.2.46:7345 --auth=auth --device_type=tv setting picture auto_brightness_control {{ level }}"
``` and here's the automation: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QnYMNhNmDx/Simple answer is Yes! shell_command supports templates. That’s all there is to it.
If you use service_template, you can even call shell scripts dynamically and pass values dynamically as well.
hushed basalt
Can someone make a robot that cleans the house plsthnx
last plaza
#SeriousQuestion. Is it illegal, immoral, or otherwise unethical to throw away the Oreo cookie and just eat the Birthday Cake cream? Asking for a friend.
@green inlet illegal, immoral and unethical!
hushed basalt
Like full on bicentennial man android
If it doesn't become too sentient that would be handy.
green inlet
Skalavala, happy medium. Use two cookies, throw away one of each of the cookie ends and double up on the birthday cake cream.
They are like legal meth.
green inlet
Costco rocks.
last plaza
How do you like Costco? Any first impressions?
last plaza
Not sure your Costco is same as the one in the USA. In the USA, they are Yuge!
green inlet
Was there 3892378293 people inside?
last plaza
Yes - they are always busy.
hushed basalt
Plus everything perishable once opened seemed like a waste
Like 1L of nandos sauce that has to be used in 3 months, but would probably take 2 years to get through
last plaza
One thing is that they only carry good brand stuff, and quality is good.
green inlet
Costco needs to implement a ceiling stun gun that zaps the crap out of anyone that stops in the middle of one of the main isles to check their phone
hushed basalt
Need to go back there when it's quieter during the week and spend a bit more time
Was pressed with the toddler getting upset and crowds and free parking about to run out
last plaza
Yes. They are useful for large families. Some quantities you can’t possible eat before expiration unless you have a big family or big eaters.
green inlet
See if the have the Aussie bites at your store. That would be funny
hushed basalt
Plus may just be this particular store but the staff were very poor
Probably about 2/3rd of the food there isn't an option to our household due to allergies do that's a bummer
last plaza
Costco is WAY better than Sams. I have membership for both as sams is very close, comes in handy. But I prefer Costco during less traffic hours.
green inlet
Hmm, Costco in the us is probably one of the healthier warehouse stores. They have all kinds of gluten free and carb free stuff
hushed basalt
The beef wasn't good their either
It was all grain fed as if that's a positive
"Minimum 100 day grain fed" brandishing
last plaza
They have the best bakery. Their cakes are awesome too!
green inlet
Street tacos also. We eat those like twice a month 🤣
green inlet
Through instacart in the us but it ain’t cheap
last plaza
Depends on the area you live in, Costco brings more “local” options.
Minimum $35 I think. Then you get free shipping with Instacart. No extra fee.
scenic radish
@last plaza I know that, I was just sharing my excitement haha. But thank u
green inlet
Their prices are different also
hushed basalt
I think it might be like $700 minimum order
Or something like that
Should order $700 in toilet paper
green inlet
700.00. Errr.....who is buying 700.00 worth of stuff
last plaza
Australian dollars... not sure what they are worth in freedom money. I know it is not a big number in the USA.
I ordered with free shipping - I think you need to have minimum order of $35 or $45. Only did it during covid. I prefer walk-in and pick what we want.
green inlet
Yea, we did it during covid and averaged about 300.00. Then last week my wife and I went into the store and went crazy and was like 240.00. I think the instacart prices are inflated.
last plaza
Every time I go in my small car, I find something big that can’t fit in my car!
hushed basalt
Like I said, commercial quantities
last plaza
A lot of small businesses buy from Costco. I see them all the time - the quantities they buy, cannot be for personal/home use.
green inlet
Not everything is commercial quantity. Definitely tough if only you and one other.
last plaza
We got the executive membership- whatever that means!
green inlet
Lower prices I think
last plaza
Probably paying more for the same crap
green inlet
I just got the basic membership
last plaza
They say you get more cash back if you are a regular user. And we are.
green inlet
Their fruits and vegetables are usually much better than our local,grocery also
hushed basalt
I don't think Australia has tiered membership
It's $60 for normal and $55 for business
No special perks for either afaik
last plaza
You will get cash back, that you will save enough money, you don’t have to pay for membership the following year, and you still get some additional cash back.
green inlet
The executive membership quarantees you save the difference in cost of membership through cheaper food prices or they pay your executive membership the next year
last plaza
lol
green inlet
Jinx
last plaza
Sounds like Kohl’s cash 🤣
last plaza
What are those? Next time, I’ll get a pack. Let me add to my shopping list.
green inlet
I posted a pic a while back. You weren’t impressed. But they are good.
last plaza
green inlet
Yes
hushed basalt
What are american bites
green inlet
Kids don’t eat them 🤣
last plaza
Although I like flax seeds, and omega-3 stuff
green inlet
@hushed basalt , that’s what I want to see. If they have them at your store
last plaza
What are american bites
@hushed basalt tripple cheese burger with 10,000 calories and a Diet Coke.
That is for each bite.
hushed basalt
I made cheeseburgers last night
Supermarket mince was sub par though
Plus gluten and dairy free brioche buns are meh
Will need to get a meat grinder
last plaza
This is called heart attack burger. This is real.
last plaza
There is another burger, that will help with delivering babies if you are pregnant.
green inlet
Missing a fried egg
green inlet
I like both.
hushed basalt
How many 1/3 pounds are in that burger
Will have to see if they have an upgraded size with 1/4 pounders
last plaza
There is a labor inducer burger. https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/wellness/story/restaurants-labor-inducer-burger-pregnant-women-running-doors-65978731
green inlet
Here is a burger for you
https://youtu.be/z4L2E6_Gmkk
last plaza
That’s a made in China burger 🤣
Is that even a burger at that point? It’s like Chicago style deep dish pizza. You rarely taste pizza in it.
Giordano's
hushed basalt
I wouldn't recommend any pregnant women to eat food that has a chance of upsetting their stomach
Last thing you want to deal with during labour is IBS haha
last plaza
Tell that to women here! 😂
scenic radish
Customers over 350 lb (160 kg) in weight eat for free if they weigh in with a nurse waitress before eating.
That is both hilarious and sad
last plaza
I think it is some sort of population control scheme by liberals 🤣
forest edge
some here say starting a protest during a pandemic was a form of population control...
undone aspen
Wow...
forest edge
well over a dozen people have died and the covid positive numbers have spiked 3x since the start
forest edge
don't think i would want to live in Minneapolis right now, apparently they are abolishing the police and replacing them with glorified mall cops
hushed basalt
Am I wrong, or is there no way to stop an alarm on a Google home without talking directly to the alarmed google
scenic radish
Or tap it
hushed basalt
:/
Super annoying when a countdown or alarm goes off in the other part of the house
scenic radish
HEY GOOGLE SHUT THE FUCK UP
hushed basalt
"there is no music playing right now"
Okay google, turn off power to the house
I had to set an automation for my chromecast to turn off the tv when idle
For some reason google thinks an infinite screen saver burning power and pixels is best practice
The TV itself is way better at it. All the apps will go to a literal screen saving screensaver after a few minutes of idle and then eventually turn the tv off
I only got the chromecast for Spotify and chromecasting
scenic radish
Oof, that's annoying
In my brief time using a Roku I discovered it doesn't stop whatever media you're playing when you turn off the TV lol
Even if the TV supports HDMI-CEC which mine do
trail crag
@scenic radish yeah you don't really turn a roku off though
it's playing or not
it would be cool it the TV could send some stop signal
scenic radish
Sure, but you'd think it could detect when the TV is off with HDMI-CEC and stop playback
wet pilot
The tv does send a signal when it wants to shut down
trail crag
hmm. is that a standard thing?
I feel like hdmi-cec implementation is all over the place, but haven't been through enough tvs to know
scenic radish
Either way, the Roku could probably poll the TV for its status even if the TV doesn't report its state
wet pilot
Should be a standard thing
forest edge
if it's a roku streaming stick it will stop when you turn off the tvv when you use the tv's usb port to power it lol
wet pilot
all the options!
undone aspen
Simaltaneously.
thick dragon
Nice! Mine only has USB - and I haven't even set it up yet. Not sure if I should set it up on my NAS then get my NAS to tell my HA server to shut down, or the other way around.
hushed basalt
You could consider an old rpi as the network UPS controller
thick dragon
More things to hang off the battery backup is not the goal 😛 The UPS I have only has 3 battery-powered ports. Already pushing it with that 😛
hushed basalt
Same with my old one
But I just ran 2 powerboards out lf those
An rpi1 would last like 2 days on a UPS though.
And since it's the last thing to turn off you can have the other servers shut down sooner and let the rpi stay up until the battery runs out
To give you a longer window to come back up
Depends on if your servers will come back up with power restore or need a WOL packet
I'll need to look into it more myself
hushed basalt
Damn straight
clear ferry
fading zodiac
See i'm thinkin g about you.
hushed basalt
Here’s a song for you… Asshole by Denis Leary
https://open.spotify.com/track/5i0BBU8OZdD7EkYeA5WrSq?si=25FBHMvOQLqu1IyWk_fNSQ
clear ferry
ocean mirage
is that lincoln
clear ferry
I am still looking for a decent UPS, I would bring one home from a customers, but they are all 3phase 400v 30u+ mostly
hushed basalt
Yeah that's a bit big
forest edge
don't you people just put old cars on blocks with no wheels and hook the engine to a generator and use that as a UPS? lol
hushed basalt
Better
hushed basalt
Here lies badtelcotech, who ran his ventilator on random gumtree UPSs
Did a very quick load test but haven't had time to test it properlt
I can't find any of my IEC to IEC cables
Network card should be very cool though
If it's a dud I can take it back though
clear ferry
Jeysys Chreist I hate group policy objects in windows
clever mortar
I hate
group policy objects inwindows
FTFY
clear ferry
create new policy then gpupdate /force and do a gpresult /h c:\temp\result.html and IT'S NOT THERE YOU MOFFAFOFFA
HEEERE'S GPUPDATE
quartz ether
My work just paid me for a server i sold and invoiced them 2 years ago lol... Not worth $600 now but got paid the full $3k I invoiced
hushed basalt
I left 8gb of ddr3 sodimm in an old work laptop
I should try to get it back, but.. ehhh
I don't have any use for it right now, and it'd be awkward
Even though I could probably sell it. Sigh
Maybe there's a good reason for it
But it's strange these UPS brackets are the cage nuts
And don't mount over the rails
clear ferry
that looks pretty normal to me
for ups rails
usually the middle hole would be where the UPS attached to the rail to keep it in place
plus a cage nut one u above or something
hushed basalt
Makes sense
The guy I bought it off was a fellow homeassistaner
I've recruited him to the discord. He might show up soon
hushed basalt
I don't even know the words to that song
brazen fable
Welp. Time to give this new zstick a spin
rain swift
What's it like being a home automation guy in aus land? I hear you can't change a light bulb without a licensed electrician.
ocean mantle
clear ferry
🤣
Funny enough it is illegal to do your own electrical work in Norway, however it is not fined, but you are in trouble in insurance cases
but all needed equipment and accessories are sold freely to everyone, at almost all general stores
rain swift
They had to exempt changing a light bulb, to hell with that.
but all needed equipment and accessories are sold freely to everyone, at almost all general stores
@clear ferry
As it should be.
clear ferry
Says the guy who comes from this country 😉 https://www.businessinsider.com/weird-us-laws?r=US&IR=T#in-arkansas-you-cant-honk-your-horn-near-a-sandwich-shop-after-9-pm-2
strange vapor
I've done my own electrical work here a few times, but I've always got a friend who's a qualified electrician to sign off on it for insurance reasons.
And he DOES properly double check the work.
clear ferry
I am halfway trained as a electrician, but I swapped over to electronics, so I'm confident in my own work for now 🤣
will remove it when I sell the house
strange vapor
I've been trying to consolidate light switches. The previous owners over did it badly!!
Which makes automating lights more awkward 🙂
clear ferry
Wonderful, importing patches in WSUS uses a single core
I see it stopping at 25% CPU on a 4core VM
I'm trying to find some spray glue that has no odor after applying and drying
anyone used anything like that ?
rain swift
There are some dumb laws here from long ago that nobody even knows about let alone enforces, I'm fairly sure they will destroy right now in Australia if they catch you doing any electrical they don't like. Of course they'd have to catch you which seems unlikely.
hushed basalt
They'd never "catch" you unless there was an insurance claim
And insurance companies would lovvvvveeee to not pay out 10,100 or 100s of thousands if they can say there's illegal work
Even if it's not the cause
I assume DIY electrical work is usually pretty obvious to insurance investigators
clear ferry
Looking at the original work in my house
I don't see how they could distinguish what I did from the shitty installjob in the 80s
hushed basalt
Age of components/wiring :)
Pretty sure there's Year of Manufacture on most things
clear ferry
that is true actually
hushed basalt
"this wiring was made 2 years ago and you bought this house 10 years ago, what is the contact information of the electrician who did this"
Then you slip some enterprise SSDs in his front pocket and say "keep the change"
clear ferry
🐡
bitter horizon
I have a apple tv that turn on my tv about 90 % percent of the time. but 10 times it fail and I have to grab the normal remote for the samsung tv to get it on. Any suggestions on how I can make sure it turn on 100% percent of the time with help of HA?
hushed basalt
My friend is an engineer
But playing factorio with him makes me seriously worried
Zero concept of scalable design, critical thinking, root cause analysis,
Monoliths and fragile dependencies everywhere
clear ferry
Rime of the ancient submariner ? 🤔
rain swift
@hushed basalt been told by insurance inspector that as long as you did something really horrendous, you won't not get a payout because you did your own wiring of things.
late gate
as long as the insurance company cant prove what you did was bad they cant do anything, but of course its a risk to take. Norway got some strange laws where you can put on 25A outlets for ovens yourself. seeing how clueless some are a lot of people should never touch this kind of stuff
dull chasm
golden rules when wiring ....
- oversize awg of wire for circuit
- proper term's at each endpoint
- slightly undersize breaker compared to wire awg
never will have a problem ...breaker will trip before heating of terminations and or wire
clear ferry
Bigger number, smaller wire size
dull chasm
yes and?
dull chasm
for eu maybe ...i grew up with so makes perfect sense
dull chasm
well murrica is good with me
undone aspen
Wow. Watching this youtube video where this guy is making his own REALLY freaking amazing router table. And just the tools and mods he himself obviously made from wood. He's got... A wooden drill press.. Made his own pocket hole jig matching the Kreg one. Made his own Grr-ripper block for table saw and router...
dull chasm
so i guess ohms law doesnt make sense neither @clear ferry higher voltage == lower amperage ?
unreal orbit
That's what you have to do to get AWG from diameter. I don't even know how you can argue that it's a good system
dull chasm
i never have to do that and i design and install electrical systems
trail crag
@undone aspen there is such a rabbit hole of woodworking/shop channels on YT . It's not even my thing and I've watched for hours
undone aspen
hahahahahaha\
unreal orbit
Okay, needing a conversion chart is also bad design
undone aspen
Indeed. This particular guy, is maticulous, thorough, accurate, detailed, even does metal. He's got his own ... Oh what is it? It's a saw that's on a track, can go up and down and left and right. His has his circular saw attached, wood backed with t-tracks in it.
I want his home-made shop! LOL
dull chasm
conversion for what need
unreal orbit
For finding the actual diameter of a wire
dull chasm
never had to do tbh
undone aspen
Fricken plotter style stencil cutter even. LOL
unreal orbit
I have to do that all the time
drilling holes in an epoxy case for capacitor leads. I can't just get a 20AWG drill bit
dull chasm
unreal orbit
dull chasm
well i have done electrical work for close to 40 years ....building junction boxes ...circuit panels and etc ....never had a problem tbh
unreal orbit
Just because you've never had a problem with it doesn't mean it doesn't have problems 😉
hushed basalt
People do business data analysis for fortune 500 companies on excel
Doesn't mean they should
dull chasm
really your debating ohms law
hushed basalt
No I'm debating your analogy
The relationship of V to IR compared to AWG being bigger for smaller conductors
I don't get it
dull chasm
i am simply saying we use awg and we are fine with that .... i am also ok with whatever anybody else wants to use .....one is not better than the other
forest edge
well quality of the copper is better lol
hushed basalt
But american standards are too easy to make fun of
unreal orbit
I guess subjectively some people like to make things more difficult on themselves
hushed basalt
How many quarter pounders to a gallon?
dull chasm
really @hushed basalt .... i never did that of any other standard
forest edge
what kind of question is that?
how many atx does it take to screw in a lightbulb type of question?
hushed basalt
Only 1 to screw in the bulb but 1 to flash the firmware and 1 to take it back to ikea and claim it's a dud when he screws it up
🤷♂️ didn't work when I opened the box
forest edge
if it makes you feel any better @hushed basalt our school tools like rulers etc generally have metric on them as well, same with products of liquid with litres and so forth. we just kind of over look those marks lol
unreal orbit
There are much easier and widely used conversions to mock. Feet in a mile, inches in feet, ounces in pound, tsp to tbsp to cup
pretty much... all of them
forest edge
funny how 12 inches became a "foot" when most people's actual feet were generally nowhere near that big lol
shoe sizes was always the messed up measuring system to me
and if you are a woman with wide feet, forget about going off the numbers lol
dull chasm
EU Counties did that not us
Initially, the Romans divided their foot into 16-digits, but they later split it into 12 unciae (which in English means ounce or inch). ... In the United States, a foot was estimated to be 12 inches with an inch defined by the 1893 Mendenhall order which stated that one meter is equal to 39.37 inches
I don't think Rome was part of the EU 😉
dull chasm
close enough for murrica
on same side of pond
@clever mortar was there he can tell ya ..... even the term worth you wieght in salt comes from there
unreal orbit
lmao TIL the actual definition of 1 inch is 25.4mm. So our standards are based on metric