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undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:04 AM

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But, definitely expensive to run.

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 4:05 AM

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20w idle, 2 x half height pci slots, internal PSU, up to 32gb ram, 3 sata ports,

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:05 AM

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2 x 2RU and 1 4RU 24 bay hotswap array

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All Sandy bridge so they are past due for an upgrade

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 4:06 AM

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What PSU does the 2U use

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:06 AM

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72tb in the array

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 4:06 AM

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ATX?

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:06 AM

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Yeah

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 4:06 AM

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Downwards exhaust i assume?

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That's the biggest pita i found with 2u atx

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:06 AM

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Cant remember, I built them 8 years ago

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They chew far more RAM then CPU

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I am just not doing anything particularly intensive, was more to play with vcenter

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 4:07 AM

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I wish they made front to back cooling atx psus

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Where you based @hushed basalt ?

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Heh. RAM is always my biggest actual bottleneck on my current server cluster.

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Australia

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:07 AM

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More specifically? I am in Canberra

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 4:08 AM

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Perth

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:08 AM

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Sand groper

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Nice

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 4:08 AM

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https://media.tenor.com/images/cf3755595b44cdfd5477a8d6abaf37de/tenor.gif

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 4:08 AM

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ew Canberra

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 4:08 AM

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Canberra has.. nice museums

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 4:08 AM

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the NGA is not bad

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thats a gallery not a museum tho

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:09 AM

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Well I actually live 50km south of Canberra on 100acres with Murrumbidgee flowing through it

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 4:09 AM

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Cooma?

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 4:09 AM

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Nice

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 4:09 AM

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or is that further

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 4:09 AM

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What sort of internet

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:09 AM

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About half way between Cooma dn Canberra

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25Mbit fixed wireless

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:09 AM

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But, dang. Hexa Core, 4GB LPDDR4 RAM,. $75... Not freaking bad.

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 4:10 AM

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Ddr3 is so expensive

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:10 AM

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@undone aspen You could have a Cisco UCS chassis and blade for that 🤣

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 4:10 AM

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I want more ram but I don't want to pay $200 for 32GB second hand ram

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:10 AM

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I wouldn't WANT Cisco garbage...

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 4:10 AM

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well shit thats not so bad

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I thought you were gonna say you were from gungahlin

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:10 AM

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Yeah when I built RAM was cheap so my 2RU boxes have 64Gb each

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I am proudly not from the ACT, I say Canberra because ppl have a better idea where that is

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 4:11 AM

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yeah

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still a popular region on this server

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one canberran, one who just moved away and one who is close enough

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@tough igloo where did you move to again?

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:13 AM

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With support for M.2 SSD, SPI NVMe boot support. Sheash..

tough igloo May 30, 2020, 4:13 AM

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Country NSW. New England they call it

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:13 AM

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Raspberry Pi, may be simple, cheap, but, damn they're so freaking limited.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:14 AM

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Life is terrible

📎 JPEG_20200530_141254.jpg

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 4:14 AM

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ah thats right

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we've got him

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I got stuck in Cooma for 2 hours once

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worst two hours of my life

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:16 AM

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lol

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I also work from home most of the time so life could be worse

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 4:17 AM

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not bad

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Though I desperately miss my FTTP

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 4:17 AM

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oh well

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:18 AM

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heh

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:19 AM

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@undone aspen I got 32Gb of eMMC for the rkpi4 for the OS and then use NMVe for distributed storage. Other then they were missing a few drivers, etc from mainline and a weird partition layout they have been running nicely with no problems

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I would buy them over just about anything else atm though I dont think they are pin compatible with RPi

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:20 AM

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I don't care a spit about compatability.

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I care about functionality, support.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:20 AM

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But things like razberry's are just UART so not that hard to adapt

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:20 AM

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that's why I only invested in Orange Pi Zero LTS, because, support, they suck at over there, but they can do what I want and that's it.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:20 AM

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The radxa forums are very active and there are a lot of other boards also using the same rk3399

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Jack over at Radxa has been particularly helpful

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:22 AM

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but, Hmm, if I could make a majority of my home "Services" into low power SBC's that would be cool.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:22 AM

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And just about everything has been mainline merged now, custom kernels piss me off generally

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Thats exactly what I did

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:22 AM

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Plex, is one of the things, though.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:22 AM

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Transcoding?

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:22 AM

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Not /as much/, but sometimes.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:22 AM

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There is also a libreelec port that works on them too

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:23 AM

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Most of the time it's an Apple TV client, or Plex Media Player which supports anything Plex throws at it.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:23 AM

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I think the vid chip in them will transcode

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:23 AM

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I'm a Plex Pass Lifetime.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:23 AM

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Yeah me too

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Though I havent used it in a long time

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I lveo the fact you can PoE them too

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love

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:24 AM

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Heh, TRUE PoE,. not that other crap.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:24 AM

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Yeah 802.3a[f,t]

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Its a new rule in my house

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I have an old 3750 10/100 PoE switch now that I just use for PoE on sensor with a PoE to USB splitter

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Means I can remotely power cycle something like a MultiSensor 6 if I need to

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And with vaulted ceilings reaching those suckers is hard

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The Penta SATA boards are cool too but you'll obviously need a separate psu

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:26 AM

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heh

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Wonder how that might work with not just k8s, but Rancher.

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I personally hate Docker, only use it when I have to, but I know with proper setup, for what I' use it for, it can be quite a nice thing to setup, and maintain.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Rancher is basically just managed k8s isnt it?

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:28 AM

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Yes

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:28 AM

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I just love upgrading by deleting the existing container and waiting for the new version to boot

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Or if it dies it restarts

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:29 AM

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heh

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:29 AM

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Hard to get into the cattle not pets mind set though, I miss naming things lol

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:29 AM

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I have used k8s a little bit. Rancher a bit. And that Red Hat one that totally lost all it's stuff on me.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:29 AM

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OpenShift?

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:30 AM

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Yeah.. That garbage.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:30 AM

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I havent done anything with openshift, though I know a few of the RH guys that work on it

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I have dealt more with Amazon when it comes to public cloud but most of my xp is on VMware

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:31 AM

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heh

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Yeah. I want to run all my media server stuff. And my BBS.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Its nice to be able to spin up an A1 instance to compile a large arm64 package

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BBS?

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Yes. BBS. 🙂

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:32 AM

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As in bulletin board?

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:32 AM

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As in Bulletin Board System, like old School original BBS. But TCP/IP, not POTS.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Or Big Beautiful Server? lol

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Wow, been a long time since I have heard of someone rolling BBS

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Ah BBS, LoRD and owning things

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:34 AM

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I'm the FidoNet NC for Net135 for Florida. 🙂

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:35 AM

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Cool

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:37 AM

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But, my BinkP hub runs on AWS right now. 🙂

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BBS runs at home on Proxmox VE instance.

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I might have to look into the idea of setting up a RockPi 4 cluster.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Well reach out if you need a hand with anything

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:50 AM

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What do you do, specifically, for storage?

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I currently use my own servers for storage, which isn't ideal for the large capacity involved but I've never lost a single thing in ~10 years running. 🙂

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:51 AM

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I used sd to install Alpine on the eMMC chip and then use the NVMe drives as a ceph pool through rook

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:52 AM

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But, the storage, hardware-wise? 😉

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:52 AM

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So they are replica 3 atm but am probably going to switch to erasure code

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Oh, I am just using HP EX900 NVMe drives

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m.2

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Singular, per RockPi SBC?

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Yeah

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Okay. Hmm... Good enough for basic images to run the application containers. But not enough for massive storage.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Depends on your definition of massive

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Heh.

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20 TiB.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 4:59 AM

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You could use something like this https://wiki.radxa.com/Penta_SATA_HAT

Penta SATA HAT

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Converts your m.2 to 5 x SATA ports

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 5:01 AM

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I mean, I could beef up my NAS storasge for the large capacity.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Put an OSD on each drive

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Switch to m.2 NVMe for localized storage, I don't need a whole whole lot for instances.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 5:02 AM

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All my NVMe drives are basically just configuration storage so my pods can move to wherever

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Yeah,e xactly,.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Or data storage in the case of a DB like influx or Maria DB for kodi

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Just my usual issues is RAM bottlenecks.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Whats chewing all your RAM?

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Mono. LOl

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Obviously an SBC is a bit handicapped in that regard

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 5:04 AM

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BBS, can run on 2~4GB RAM, but needs DOSemu capability. ARM may not work too well with that, but I don't know.

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That Rock Pi S, though. Holy crap

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I might should've got those, instead or Orange Pi Zero LTS's.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 5:13 AM

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I spent a lot of time looking for something that had some form of decent storage

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:13 AM

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Anyone know of a powered usb-c hub with usb 3.2?

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 5:14 AM

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@tough igloo why would they call a region in new southern whales new england

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Trying to find one but it's been moot

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Poor welsh

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 5:14 AM

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Hmmmm... USB-C Hub? Not very common it seems.

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 5:14 AM

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I originally ended up with the Olimex Lime2 but they are arm32 and had a few issues, then I was looking at the espressobin before some how I discovered the rock pi

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:15 AM

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yeah it's kind of obnoxious

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 5:17 AM

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Heh yeah.

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Then again, when I was looking at USB-C docks.... That was a mistake for the most part.

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I went through like 3 or 4 different USB-C docks before I finally decided to try Thunderbolt 3,. and wow. what a difference.

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Don't have thunderbolt on any of my kit

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😄

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 5:22 AM

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My former job paid for me to get my own work computer, I opted to get a MacBook Pro. 🙂

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:22 AM

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ew

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 5:22 AM

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I'd rather than than Windows.

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:23 AM

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double ew

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 5:23 AM

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I worked for Citrix, before being laid off from current things.

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:23 AM

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triple ew

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 5:23 AM

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Their software barely supports Linux,, and wasn't reliable enough for my job requirements.

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So, I opted for macOS. 🙂

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:23 AM

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Citrix is the bane of everyone's existence

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 5:23 AM

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hahaha

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:24 AM

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hmm

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looks like thunderbolt cards only need 4 pci lane

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Host Interface: PCI Express 3.0 x4Total Number of

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not that i have many to spare

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GPU and Mellanox card eat a bunch lmao

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 5:25 AM

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Heh, My MBP, just connects to the TB3 dock.

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Gets powered by it. Gets devices from it.

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:26 AM

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Although i should probably update my mellanox cards to newer versions. I've had these for ages

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mellanox connect x2's

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they still work though

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 5:27 AM

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The only other USB-C device connected is the Luna Display adapter.

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:28 AM

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I could never imagine my main computing equipment to be a laptop

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i knew this wasn't right. The card I found only works with certain asus boards. Yikes

scenic radish May 30, 2020, 5:30 AM

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glances nervously with my 10-year-old laptop used as primary machine

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Someone start this man a gofundme

scenic radish May 30, 2020, 5:32 AM

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I need to stop bitching about how hot that thing is all the time and get an optiplex SFF already or something

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Tell ya what though, Debian flies on this laptop

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:33 AM

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why not just build a computer

scenic radish May 30, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Probably should, I've done it before

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:33 AM

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The ryzen series gives really good bang for your buck if you're money tight

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I've got ryzen and intel in this house.

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My 3800x goes neck for neck with my 8700k core for core

scenic radish May 30, 2020, 5:34 AM

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Yeah I don't do anything super intensive so that'd be a good choice

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:34 AM

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but it's got 2x the cores

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i b et you could get away with a ryzen 5 easily

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and it'd last for years to come

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and the chip is like $150

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Just make sure to get an up to date motherboard so you have expandability in the future

scenic radish May 30, 2020, 5:35 AM

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Yeah I'll have to do some digging for sure

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:36 AM

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I could help you piece together a build if you want

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just give me a budget

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and your use cases

scenic radish May 30, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Thanks, I'll definitely keep that in mind

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:37 AM

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🙂

wet pilot May 30, 2020, 5:37 AM

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just spec'd out an r5 3600 build for a friend

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he's really happy with it

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:37 AM

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3600 is fairly solid yeh

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I'm really glad AMD stepped up their game

wet pilot May 30, 2020, 5:38 AM

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was his first computer build and i had to guide him over discord video chat XD

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:38 AM

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This is the first time I've ever owned an AMD chip

wet pilot May 30, 2020, 5:38 AM

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i had an AM3 part for a bit

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wasn't happy switching to intel for my current build but i was building right before ryzen dropped

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:38 AM

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I always go for raw performance

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And i got the 3800x for a steal at microcenter

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 5:39 AM

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I am thinking threadripper for my next build

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:39 AM

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I just couldn't pass it up

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You know, I thought about doing a threadripper for bragging rights but i wouldn't get much use out of it

wet pilot May 30, 2020, 5:39 AM

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TR isn't really worth it unless you're using your machine to make money

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 5:39 AM

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Probably cut down to 2 servers if I can find a threadripper mb that supports ipmi

wet pilot May 30, 2020, 5:39 AM

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would probably need Epyc for that

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:40 AM

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But yeah i got the 3800x for $250. Beat that.

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Then again I really shouldn't be allowed to walk into a microcenter

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Every time i do i spend tons of money

wet pilot May 30, 2020, 5:41 AM

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i'm sad that i moved away from having a microcenter

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:41 AM

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I have to drive 45 minutes to get to mine

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but it's the only components store in the area

wet pilot May 30, 2020, 5:41 AM

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it was about that before i moved out of state

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:42 AM

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I still haven't OC'd my chip yet. I've been meaning to do it

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But it already screams so fast

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@undone aspen what exactly do you use thunderbolt for?

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I'm trying to think up a use case that usb 3.2 doens't cover

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 5:44 AM

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An external display.

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:44 AM

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oh. I have GPU

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40gps sounds great in theory

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but 10gbps is more than I need for USB devices

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 5:45 AM

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And a USB3 external HDD..... LOL

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1Gbps ethernet

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Got that covered too lmao

📎 10gpbs.jpg

scenic radish May 30, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Wtf

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Oh yeah I have a 10gbps fiber network installed

scenic radish May 30, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Y

unreal orbit May 30, 2020, 5:47 AM

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fast

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Because I use a lot of bandwidth

scenic radish May 30, 2020, 5:47 AM

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O

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:47 AM

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1gbps hasn't cut it for years

scenic radish May 30, 2020, 5:47 AM

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No @unreal orbit fast is 10-100 Mbps

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:47 AM

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LUL

scenic radish May 30, 2020, 5:47 AM

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GWspenderPaiSmug

unreal orbit May 30, 2020, 5:48 AM

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H I G H S P E E D I N T E R N E T

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512kbps

scenic radish May 30, 2020, 5:48 AM

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B R O A D B A N D

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:48 AM

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I remember my first "broadband" connection

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128k DSL baby

scenic radish May 30, 2020, 5:49 AM

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Should start calling my fiancee's hair ties "broadbands"

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:49 AM

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screaming

scenic radish May 30, 2020, 5:49 AM

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https://media.tenor.com/images/6d17cba9278842b538f4d597225b85c9/tenor.gif

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:49 AM

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sure beat the days of 14.4

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 5:55 AM

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mmmmmm... 14.4kbps.

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 5:56 AM

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meanwhile in 2020 i'm annoyed I only have 40mbps upload bandwidth

unreal orbit May 30, 2020, 5:57 AM

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I don't even remember what my speed is off the top of my head

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currently getting 166mbps up

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 6:00 AM

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I'm 1 gig down/40 up

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I was supposed to have 3gig up/down but covid happened

unreal orbit May 30, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Our speed is supposed to be 150/150

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It gets to a certain point when I stop noticing

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 6:03 AM

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I download a lot of shit. So I notice

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I also upload a lot of shit.. and I definitely notice. I have to throttle my backups so it doesn't soak up all my UL bandwidth

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Anything over 1gbps should be fibre

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Not including patch DAC cables

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10gb over copper is just sketchy

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 6:06 AM

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no

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10gb copper is fine TBH

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I don't use it, but it works fine

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you can do 40gbps over copper

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 6:07 AM

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Fttp on NBN is just about to offer 1gpbs/50

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 6:07 AM

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Fibre is cheaper and easier at 10g

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 6:07 AM

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yeh

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I went with fiber inside my house because of the ease of upgradability

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just pop off the leads and put new ones on, poof 40gbps

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with the right networking kit anyway

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 6:09 AM

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10g copper isn't worth the hassle if you can avoid it,

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Installer didn't do terminations and installation perfectly, kinked a cable, bad mechs, cross talk,

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And it won't be "doesn't work"

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It'll be another question mark when you're trouble shooting

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 6:48 AM

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@brazen fable 10G copper is shite for the most part, short distance, lot of heat

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 6:49 AM

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lower latency

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 6:50 AM

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I've seen probably a total of 30 10GBaseT porta, all of them are since replaced

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 6:53 AM

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Apple loves them 🤢

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Even their rack mount mac pro has rj45

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 6:53 AM

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I think you'll see it in residential settings

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 6:54 AM

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We also see tp link routers in residential settings

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Doesn't mean it's not a lot of frustration for people using it

clever mortar May 30, 2020, 6:56 AM

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10 Gbit copper makes sense where you've already got (suitable) copper in place and can't replace it. Beyond that ...

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 6:59 AM

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Well, with the distance limit it doesn't make much sense anyway

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10 for residential makes no sense until 2027-2030 or later anyway

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:00 AM

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cat 7 can do 10gbps at 100m

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how many installs do you know of that are longer than 100m

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in a residential setting

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:01 AM

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It doesn't make sense in residential

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:01 AM

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sure it does

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Cat7 is a shitload more expensive than an LC patch cable run through a wall

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:03 AM

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And LC will easily let you upgrade to 40 and probably 100g too

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:03 AM

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yeah but it'll be backwareds compatibile with all existing equipment. Which is a huge deal

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and cat 8 can do 40 gig @30m. 25 somewhere in the middle

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but most importantly it'll run any kind of nbaseT which is what consumer hardware will be putting out

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I couldn't imagine joe the plumber running fiber and then running that to a special switch so he can have copper connections

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:04 AM

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We'll probably see residential user switch to WiFi 7/8/9 before they switch to 10GBaseT

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:06 AM

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2.5baseT is already coming out on consumer hardware

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You're thinking of technology and not sales

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:06 AM

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We have had that for close to a decade in enterprise already, it never really took off

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:06 AM

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It's easier to sell stuff to people when they already know how it works, and it'll work out of the box with everything they already have

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enterprise =/= residential users

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they are two very, very different demographics

sour escarp May 30, 2020, 7:07 AM

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I work in the SMB space, the demand for > 100Mbps is minimal

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:08 AM

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So do I, and I'm aware of that

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But bandwidth needs are increasing as high def video keeps getting bigger and bigger in the home.

📎 61ZoZDEI9L._AC_SL1500_.jpg

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Now the problem with this device, and why it doesn't sell so well

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is nobody knows what the hell an SFP+ port is

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Won't matter to 99% of residential the next 10 years

sour escarp May 30, 2020, 7:09 AM

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and they advertise "lag free" as if it's some feature

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:10 AM

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I still miss the collision light on my 1999 HUB

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:10 AM

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But bandwidth needs are increasing as high def video keeps getting bigger and bigger in the home.
@brazen fable this is a joke right?

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:10 AM

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It was always flickering so nicely

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:10 AM

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no

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:10 AM

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you realize you can stream HD over wireless G right?

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:10 AM

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i have 4k streams topping 125mbps right now, and they're only going to get larger

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And i'm a single user

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:10 AM

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You do, most users don't

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:10 AM

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imagine a family of 5 that all want to stream and well, do shit

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Everybody likes 4k

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and 8k is around the corner

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:11 AM

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Sure but most do it compressed

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:11 AM

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I gotta look that up, i am calling bs on 125mbits for 4k lol

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:11 AM

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You are the corner case

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:11 AM

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@forest edge it's rare, most of my 4k stream at 70-80

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but i definitely get spikes that overload my roku's because they only have fast ethernet

sour escarp May 30, 2020, 7:12 AM

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right, you cannot rely on raw bandwidth, there are a lot of people that don't have access to it

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Consumer video codecs won't be over 100mbit anytime soon

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Maybe in 2025-27

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:12 AM

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@forest edge it's rare, most of my 4k stream at 70-80
@brazen fable not rare, you got something wrong with your network

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Lol no.

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:12 AM

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30mbit has been able to handle everything to current date

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:13 AM

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That's compressed

sour escarp May 30, 2020, 7:14 AM

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there are a lot of people that will get in pissing contest about the amount of bandwidth they have but no one ever shows graphs of how much and for how long they actually use that bandwidth which is why businesses essentially pay more for it

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:14 AM

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Which is what most people use

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:14 AM

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My situation is a little different, but I'm usually only ahead of the curve by a few years

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:14 AM

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By close to a decade, and by then you will still be a corner case

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:16 AM

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everything google is pooping out says uncompressed immediately shoots into the gbps but aside from commercial applications noone uses that lol

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:17 AM

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📎 bitrate.jpg

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:24 AM

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You are wrongly assuming you are the norm in residential

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:26 AM

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Never said I was.

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I said I'm predicting the norm/average use case. There's a difference

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 7:26 AM

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You'll never touch uncompressed video

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:26 AM

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This video isn't uncompressed

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h265

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:29 AM

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By the time your predictions catch up wireless will be sufficient for residential

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:29 AM

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But you're not thinking of the bigger picture in the consumer space. For instance, residential security systems/cameras are just starting to take off. People love security cameras, and it's only a matter of time before average joe has 10 of them on his house

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:29 AM

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too much money to be had by current standards

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wyze cameras don't require that much bandwith

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those are the cameras of which you speak, those and like those types

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cause people are idiots

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:31 AM

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Maybe the economically challenged will buy wyze crap, but the middle to upper middle class will have real systems installed

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:31 AM

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and those will be wired not wireless

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:31 AM

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And they'll buy whatever the pro tells them to buy

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:31 AM

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Sure 10G in, but no need for cabled infrastructure at that speed for average Joe

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:31 AM

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no one with money wanting quality would ever buy wireless

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:32 AM

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I've worked with network infrastructure for 20 years, don't listen to me haha

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:32 AM

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And wifi has lots of years until it can compete

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I have aruba 515's in my house and it still doesn't crack gigabit speed

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well not on a single link anyway, the aggregate is more than fine

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2gbps LACP

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:35 AM

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it all boils down to what they can sell and make a profit, we're just now able to buy actual affordable 2-5gigabit routers/modems/nic's in pc's

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thats your leap

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BUT

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:35 AM

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That's exactly what I said. In the consumer space it'll follow nbaseT

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1/2.5/5/10

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:35 AM

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stuff like netflix and those tv dongles will remain cheap enough to still handle the min which is 25-30mbit lol

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which means most media will remain around that regardless

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:36 AM

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The consumer space always follows the enthusiast space without question

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The reason the nvidia shield is always sold out is because it's the only real high performance AIO client that exists

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:36 AM

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yea after decades lol

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:37 AM

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You are thinking of 1% of the consumer space

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:37 AM

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So when you're planning wiring, e.g. a new construction, copper RJ45 still makes the most sense. Which was the original argument

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which is why the residential space will follow copper nbaseT

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:38 AM

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Sure, but still only a single digit number of houses will have a distribution network inside them

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:38 AM

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but currently cat6 is still too pricey for the average

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:38 AM

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Percentage wise

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:40 AM

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A robust home network is going to be standard in all new constructions in first world countries. It'll be how phone lines where installed in every home as feature/selling point

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:40 AM

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yea well tell that to the US, ethernet cabling is still not standard here lol

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:40 AM

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And once it becomes a selling point it'll become a point to retrofit as well

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:41 AM

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None of my friends, probably 20 of them that have built houses the last 10 years have any distribution network in their house

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:41 AM

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People only want what people already have

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The last 10 years are irrelevant. I'm talking near future

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Especially if the WFH movement keeps on, but we'll see about that

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:42 AM

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In 5 years something better WiFi wise will probably have eliminated the need for it in 95% of houses

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:42 AM

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ugh i hope not

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:42 AM

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Nah.

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:42 AM

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I hate wifi

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:42 AM

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RF will never be good enough

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It can barely keep pace with todays demands which are growing exponentially

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:43 AM

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Not for you, for the general population

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 7:43 AM

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Wifi progress cant be a bad thing lol

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:43 AM

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It's not, and wifi serves a great purpose

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but even today's wifi networks will need wired backhaul

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and tomorrow's will need it even more

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And mesh is garbage, don't even bring it up

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:44 AM

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neighbors decides to binge watch stranger things and suddenly the dog grows a massive tumor on the side of it's head is not my idea of the future

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:44 AM

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uh

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 7:44 AM

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wat

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:44 AM

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In 5 years something better WiFi wise will probably have eliminated the need for it in 95% of houses
@clear ferry this

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 7:45 AM

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yes

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wat

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:45 AM

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You don't wear tinfoil hats do you? lmao

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 7:45 AM

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tear down any 5G towers lately?

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:45 AM

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Wifi7 is expected to deliver close to 30Gbps anyway

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:45 AM

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I'll believe it when i see it

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:46 AM

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remember this when doctors can't figure out why all the males suddenly became sterile lol

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:46 AM

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Just wait 4 more years or so

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:46 AM

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iperf on wifi 6 hits 600-700 on a 1.2gbps link

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 7:46 AM

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you must be wary of anything that has increased in number of the past two decades then

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it all correlates

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:46 AM

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So by your tests wifi7 will max out at 15Gbps, should suffice ;-)

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 7:46 AM

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must be hard to live like that

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:47 AM

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well there's those who lived long enough to see the change and those who just came about and think it's normal

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:47 AM

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if RF affected us like the conspiracy theorists would have you believe we wouldn't exist

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space and the sun itself throws out tons more rf radiation than our communications frequencies ever could

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 7:48 AM

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Oh yeah well thats just what NASA tells you Scolias

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:48 AM

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@forest edge I think it's more to do with the diet coke than the WiFi tbh haha

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 7:48 AM

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NASA = Never A Straight Answer

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:48 AM

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LUL

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:48 AM

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@clear ferry that's what causes your appendix to explode

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:49 AM

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I'm impressed I still have mine considering how much bubble gum I swallowed as a child

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 7:50 AM

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you are 90% bubble gum now

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:50 AM

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That was something mother's told kids here atleast

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 7:50 AM

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here too

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:50 AM

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📎 43czxb.jpg

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:50 AM

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there is like 30x more crap now happening to people that doctors can't give a reason for the cause than ever before

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:50 AM

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Probably aliens

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:50 AM

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Maybe it's because people eat like shit and don't exercise

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:50 AM

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More butt probes

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:51 AM

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"DOCTOR DOCTOR WHATS WRONG WITH ME"

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As they eat frozen shit out of box every night and wash it down with coke zero jr

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 7:51 AM

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lol

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:51 AM

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people blame food, blame pollution, blame radio waves.. the list goes on

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:52 AM

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I blame you

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:52 AM

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all of it has changed @ocean mirage

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 7:52 AM

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difference is we have evidence for the first two

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:52 AM

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when i was a kid you could drink from a stream without getting sick lol

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now if you drink from a stream you move to norway

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:52 AM

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wat

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:53 AM

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Actually we have in Norway an organisation for people who say they get sick from radio waves, they have lobbies to get doctors to write sick leave to their members, but basically no doctor who does that is taken seriously

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:53 AM

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Snake oil salesmen. That's why

forest edge May 30, 2020, 7:54 AM

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well lets be honest, these days doctors will say whatever the highest payer tells them to lol

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:54 AM

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Yeah, I helped design doctorbribesrus.com

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 7:54 AM

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A friend of mine had a step mother who claimed it, he wasn't allowed to have WiFi enabled on their router, so one time she complained about WiFi must be on he pretended to turn it off and she got better

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https://media.tenor.com/images/3cb7c857382507e5148109c33ed2b630/tenor.gif

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 7:57 AM

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You've gotta be messing with us though. Theres no way you can believe that stuff

forest edge May 30, 2020, 8:03 AM

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@brazen fable who? what?

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people in this country annoy me to no end

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they will go to hell and back to protest something that doesn't directly effect them but won't lift a finger to protest anything that does.

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 8:08 AM

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I mean there is a bit of that happening right now

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so you should be relieved

forest edge May 30, 2020, 8:09 AM

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the protesting of crap that doesn't directly effect them? i'm aware, i'm watching it lol

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 8:09 AM

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someone lend me some upload bandwidth

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 8:09 AM

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oh yeah the police being a horrible, corrupt institution never hurt anyone

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I got none to share Scolias

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 8:10 AM

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brb getting my LR wifi dish and cracking all my neighbors networks to steal UL bandwidth

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KayleGasm

forest edge May 30, 2020, 8:12 AM

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a cop shoots someone and people gather to protest in both peaceful and non peaceful ways around the whole country but hundreds die every month to not being able to afford health care but no one cares lol

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it's just dumb

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 8:12 AM

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You can only ever care about one issue at once

forest edge May 30, 2020, 8:13 AM

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yea apparently

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 8:13 AM

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And FYI the main victim was not shot

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though there are other protests for those that were

forest edge May 30, 2020, 8:13 AM

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sorry, killed

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 8:14 AM

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Just keep this going til we can solve the issue you raised too 🙂

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I'm for that

forest edge May 30, 2020, 8:14 AM

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it won't happen

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 8:14 AM

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Probably not

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but I can hope

forest edge May 30, 2020, 8:14 AM

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people are too dumb

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 8:14 AM

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If only it were you out there

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so smart

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you'd get it done

forest edge May 30, 2020, 8:15 AM

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uh, i had been out there lol

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 8:15 AM

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mhmm

forest edge May 30, 2020, 8:15 AM

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aren't you from NZ or something?

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 8:15 AM

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Basically

forest edge May 30, 2020, 8:16 AM

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yea you started to sound like you were blowing smoke lol

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 8:26 AM

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Lol upload bandwidth issues

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What is this? 2006?

clever mortar May 30, 2020, 8:28 AM

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For those of us who don't live near gigabit fibre... that's not going to improve this side of 2030 anyway 😉

forest edge May 30, 2020, 8:37 AM

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well technically if you have coax it very well could

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right now though our coax gigabit plans only do like 35 i think

clever mortar May 30, 2020, 8:40 AM

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UK's cable provider is no longer rolling out HFC (hybrid fibre coax) and is going purely FTTP apparently

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 8:40 AM

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I live near fiber, I just need it pulled

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Comcast does MetroE 3gbps

clever mortar May 30, 2020, 8:42 AM

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We were supposed to get cable something like 2 years ago, it got part way towards us, and then the rollout just stopped and there's been no sign of life for about 18 months. FTTP is "coming soon" which originally meant some time this year or the first half of next year (probably). Of course, lockdown means that the work is either going slow or on hold 🤷

forest edge May 30, 2020, 8:46 AM

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I was under the impression from what I read they could pipe upwards of 5gbps over plain old RG6

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and that's been around for quite awhile

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 8:55 AM

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well docsis 4.0 just got finalized and it's backed by comcast so i should see that rolling out soon too

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and i think they'll do it in a hurry to compete with 5g

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 9:07 AM

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Wouldn't expect it, still mostly docsis 3 at best, in major cities here

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Only city high-rises use it mostly

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Everybody else does FTTH mostly

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:08 AM

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they roll out stuff like that quick here

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just a matter of shipping the modems we all rent

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:10 AM

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comcast is actually really fast with rolling out upgrades

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 9:10 AM

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Lol renting modems

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How is life in the early 00s @forest edge ?

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:11 AM

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@clear ferry i've gone through more modems than you got pubic hairs. I don't like renting, don't agree (they actually give option for us to buy our own) but when one needs to be swapped out, it's painless

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 9:12 AM

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They are just included in the installation price here

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:12 AM

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what exactly is your issue with modems

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i've never really had modems fail

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 9:12 AM

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And newer ones we just get sent when they roll them out

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:12 AM

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buy it set it and forget it

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:12 AM

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we use to get charged like 20 bucks a month for them here, but that has changed to like 5 bucks or something

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 9:13 AM

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Wtf

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:13 AM

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years and years ago it was 20, was dumb as hell

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our providers price gouge us, but then everything in this country price gouges us

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they use to not allow us to buy our own, but they changed on that several years ago

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 9:14 AM

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But what about muh freedum, and "atleast we don't have those norwegian socialist taxes" ? haha haha

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:14 AM

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well I think it's safe to say you can't compare anything to a country of our size lol

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you would think tech would take longer for us to get our hands on, yet ironically we seem to move pretty quick on it

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the fiber lines that feed my city was buried before i was born

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 9:17 AM

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Yet I still remember talking to Americans that didn't know what MMS was after we had used it for 10 years

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haha

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:17 AM

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well acronyms are something completely different

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we don't say sms, we say text

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hell when email started to become more widely used we called normal paper mail "snail mail"

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and yes, alot of people called email, mail lol

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 9:19 AM

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Everybody did that

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:21 AM

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we would have fiber in every home, probably already running docsis 4.1 with 5gbps connections IF it weren't for capitalism and greed

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but because they know they can charge us for slower for the same price everyone else pays for faster. they do it. it's more profit for them to NOT have to upgrade

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I wouldn't even have the 350mbps down I havve right now if Google Fiber hadn't existed

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oh snap 0110.4

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 9:27 AM

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Upgrades, gotta catch them all

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:29 AM

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wtf is a romcom? lol

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:36 AM

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Yeah that's a big fat no

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Consumer internet wouldn't exist without capitalism

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 9:36 AM

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is it too small Sonoma?

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 9:38 AM

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To the gulag with you

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 9:38 AM

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gulag

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 9:38 AM

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with me?

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nostalino

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:41 AM

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competition drives our advancements, capitalism works best when there is no competition

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 9:41 AM

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All of you

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:41 AM

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There will always be competition.

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 9:41 AM

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when the rules say no politics but do not say no economics

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:41 AM

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there hasn't been competition in our internet in years lol

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comcast, twc and all the others shaked hands

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Everybody just agrees to scam you in secret meetings@forest edge

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Internet is somewhat of a special case due to landscape issues, but even that's changing now

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 9:42 AM

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You especially

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Look at SpaceX

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and starlink. It's an exciting time

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:42 AM

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you were the one who linked me that video of people's reactions to what we pay for epipens @clear ferry lol

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:42 AM

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and soon, 5G will be viable for a lot of people

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Yes

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Yeah if I had to pay what you pay for epipens...

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Yet the world is not any less sad

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:43 AM

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lol spacex

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Competition to epipens exist though. They just have superior technology

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:43 AM

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spacex was designed to benifits other countries, not our own

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 9:43 AM

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@brazen fable with your classic terms and conditions which makes it useless haha haha

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 9:43 AM

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They have market dominance, not necessarily technical superiority

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 9:44 AM

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Imagine if we didnt work for profit, so much freed up labour for good

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:44 AM

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Nah epi-pens are definitely the best device in class for what they do

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 9:44 AM

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They also have a lot of marketing to get doctors to prescribe epipen

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:44 AM

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Everyone wants to profit. That's just human nature

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 9:44 AM

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Is it

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:44 AM

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When people complain about "greed" i find it ironic, because we're all greedy

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 9:44 AM

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Human nature is an argument thats been had a million times

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:44 AM

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@ocean mirage you work? lol

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 9:44 AM

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You'll find humans are generally cooperative by nature

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 9:44 AM

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You can't say its human nature and we overcome human nature all the time anyway

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:44 AM

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I thought NZ'ers only raped sheep

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:45 AM

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Humans are cooperative when it benefits them

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 9:45 AM

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It's capitalism that lets the sociopaths rise to the top

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:45 AM

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You say sociopath like it's a bad thing

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It's just a different kind of person

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and the world takes all kind to make it work

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 9:45 AM

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Its not working very well though

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:45 AM

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It's working better than any time in history

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and it keeps getting better.

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 9:46 AM

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xdoubt

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 9:46 AM

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Yes because thats how history works

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but also even doubt that

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:46 AM

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Name a better time

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good luck

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 9:46 AM

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Did I say "its worse now than it was"

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I said it doesnt work well

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:46 AM

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according to what metric

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 9:46 AM

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20 million+ a year dying to preventable poverty

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millions of other deaths to capitalism

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:47 AM

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Name a better time
@brazen fable 40+ years ago

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:47 AM

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i wouldve hated living 40 years ago

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shit time

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Just the technology alone makes a huge difference

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:47 AM

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yea all that clean air and water and fast food was a once in awhile treat instead of a staple meal... you would havve despised it lol

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:48 AM

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I have clean air and don't eat fast food

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Lets just go back 12,000 years

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anprimball

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:48 AM

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You can choose not to stuff mcdonalds in your mouth

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:48 AM

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you don't have clean air lol

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:48 AM

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pretty easy

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:48 AM

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even atx dosen't have clean air

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:49 AM

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I haven't had anything from mcdonalds aside from teh occasional coffee in.. i can't remember how long

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It's a choice people are free to make

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 9:50 AM

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I assume 40 years ago was still pretty bad in terms of things like lead in the atmosphere

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thats probably still a big one

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:50 AM

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having been alive both before and after the internet and cell phones etc.. I can tell you prior was just as good if not better in many ways

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services weren't out to rip you off lol

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Yes and no. I'm the last generation that will be able to say i've seen both ways

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Well they were, just less ferociously

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:50 AM

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every thing you bought had actual quality in mind lol

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:51 AM

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and given the pros and cons, 2020 is better than 30 years ago handily

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You can still buy quality goods. Just don't be a cheap ass

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:51 AM

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yea 30 years maybe, but even 30 years ago had some benifits over today

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again, services weren't out to rip you off

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:51 AM

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nothing that outweighs today's society. Everything I could possibly want is right at my finger tips

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:52 AM

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maybe get some sun once in awhile?

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 9:52 AM

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oof

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:52 AM

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Unlike 5g, too much sunlight can give you cancer

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😄

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 9:53 AM

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5G gives you viruses tho

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:53 AM

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Besides, aside from this year and covid i get plenty because I shoot competitively

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:53 AM

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typical, you read a pamphlet some agency was paid thousands to designed by companies who want to push a standard that hasn't been around long enough to know any long term effects off but because the phamplet said it's safe, you think it's safe lol

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:54 AM

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No, I just have a deep understanding in how RF works

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 9:54 AM

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typical

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:54 AM

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they do that with drugs too then later you see the class action lawsuits lol

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:55 AM

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drugs aren't comparable to RF

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:55 AM

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electricity is harmless in low doses too

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just sayin

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:56 AM

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You know whats funny is all the Alex Jones type said that about every new RF technology since.. ever

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i remember when people said 3g is going to kill everyone

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and then 4g

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and wifi

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:56 AM

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you think it will nevver reach a point where it causes issues?

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:56 AM

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it's actually hilarious

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No. Because the power output isn't enough to matter.

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Just by talking a walk you eat more RF from the sun than 100000 cell towers

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 9:57 AM

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4G is making the frogs gay

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frogsiren

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:57 AM

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yet every year doctors diagnose new issues where noone has a clue what causes it

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:57 AM

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Because medical technology improves and we can see new things

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:58 AM

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lol

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:58 AM

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and new viruses mutate. It's called evolution

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:58 AM

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I guess when it's too late, you'll see it

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:58 AM

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a couple hundred years ago people were absolutely convinced demons caused illness

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:59 AM

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they still do

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has nothing to do with this

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:59 AM

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There's this little thing called science and evidence. It's a pretty great concept

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:59 AM

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people still think the earth is flat

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 9:59 AM

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And we've gotten pretty good at using it

forest edge May 30, 2020, 9:59 AM

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was on tosh2.0 not longago

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 10:00 AM

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Yeah and something is probably wrong with their brain

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 10:00 AM

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Oh no you are a globehead too

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 10:00 AM

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Shit happens. Not everyone comes out baked fully

forest edge May 30, 2020, 10:00 AM

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alot of things was said years ago, now we got global warming

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if you think the people who push this stuff out has your health in mind, you are sadly mistaken. 5G may not cause you to grow a third nut but one day, one of your great grandkids will think a third eye is normal lol

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 10:02 AM

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Ok boomer

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People always fear change. Open your mind a little. It'll take you far 😄

forest edge May 30, 2020, 10:03 AM

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change.. lol

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 10:03 AM

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And you don't need to fear RF. It's harmless.

forest edge May 30, 2020, 10:04 AM

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remember that when your chemo apt is in a few hours lol

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 10:04 AM

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It's not ionising

forest edge May 30, 2020, 10:04 AM

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was a joke

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 10:04 AM

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And it's not strong enough to warm you up

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 10:04 AM

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Gimme some change

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 10:05 AM

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We've been blasting radio frequencies for well over 100 years. If something was truly amiss, we'd have known by now

forest edge May 30, 2020, 10:05 AM

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we are cranking it up everytime

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 10:05 AM

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uh, no

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 10:05 AM

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trumpsweat

forest edge May 30, 2020, 10:05 AM

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more packed, more data, more waves

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 10:05 AM

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its the fluoride

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and the chemtrails

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 10:05 AM

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that's not how RF works

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you don't turn up the volume and slap a 5g sticker on it

forest edge May 30, 2020, 10:06 AM

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people use to feel when a neighbor turned on thier ham radio lol

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 10:07 AM

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chemtrails are making the frogs gay

forest edge May 30, 2020, 10:07 AM

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point is, it's more and more

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hell you can power iot devices with the amount of wave sin the air as is

brazen fable May 30, 2020, 10:07 AM

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lol wot

forest edge May 30, 2020, 10:07 AM

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you not seen those devices on kickstarter?

dull chasm May 30, 2020, 10:08 AM

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remember kids Nuclear Power is safe too .... just ask the people in Chernobyl

forest edge May 30, 2020, 10:08 AM

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they capture the radio waves and conver to power

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to power stuff like temp sensors etc

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@dull chasm lol

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 10:08 AM

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thats how I run

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Nuclear is pretty damn safe if you follow procedure lol

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but then there is waste too

forest edge May 30, 2020, 10:09 AM

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another thing we didn't havve years and years ago, all that waste

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now it's mickey d's special sauce

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 10:14 AM

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https://media.tenor.com/images/04c66e9516e432b5cbaf19d5ed8edd45/tenor.gif

forest edge May 30, 2020, 10:15 AM

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it can only get worse, not better

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 10:16 AM

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some would say it'll get worse until breaking point

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once the material conditions are right there may be a change

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 10:31 AM

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Food and water

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Good thing we're fracking our water supplies left right and centre

forest edge May 30, 2020, 10:36 AM

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gonna be like that movie Elysium, well like any of those movies since there are a whole bunch that follow that same theme lol

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 10:37 AM

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Bezos would own that ring

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Biggest thing is how the hell do those shuttles get into orbit

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Some sort of propulsion and energy dense fuels far beyond our current means

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Unobtanium drives

forest edge May 30, 2020, 10:44 AM

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more like why does it take the rich wanting to live off the planet for us to get flying "cars"

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 10:45 AM

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Well we haven't had any major breakthroughs in fuel cells

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That's a major blocker

forest edge May 30, 2020, 10:46 AM

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that was like set in 2070ish something i think

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 10:46 AM

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Yeah won't happen

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Excluding computers how different is now from 1970 tech wise

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More robots in factories, that's about it

forest edge May 30, 2020, 10:46 AM

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2154.. wow way off

light phoenix May 30, 2020, 11:17 AM

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i am wondering

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is there a way to connect and esp8266 with an ethernet cable? like wire the pins?

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or nah?

nocturne aspen May 30, 2020, 11:25 AM

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Ive just been signing a CLA on HA website and i find the choice of cities/regions in the UK very odd and chaotic

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On the list there are counties, few cities, few small towns and even few city districts, some unitary authorities, everything mixed up

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is there any way i can contribute to the website to tidy this up?

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for example by limiting it just to ceremonial counties

proven pasture May 30, 2020, 11:33 AM

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is there a way to connect and esp8266 with an ethernet cable? like wire the pins?
@light phoenix wondering that as well

silk orbit May 30, 2020, 12:16 PM

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https://hackaday.com/2016/04/01/ethernet-controller-discovered-in-the-esp8266/

Hackaday

cnlohr

Ethernet Controller Discovered In The ESP8266

The venerable ESP8266 has rocked the Internet of Things world. Originally little more than a curious $3 WiFi-to-serial bridge, bit by bit, the true power of the ESP has become known, fully programm…

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Probably better off with some sort of ethernet controller shield though

forest edge May 30, 2020, 12:25 PM

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trying to figure out why you would want a wired esp lol

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 12:28 PM

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avoid tumors

hushed basalt May 30, 2020, 12:58 PM

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Oof

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My father in law doesn't have a microwave

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And walks around the house with an rf meter

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 1:00 PM

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He might be

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Coco

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Poco

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Loco

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Been swimming in some Ozark stuff @forest edge ?

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:33 PM

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Is it worth upgrading to a rpi 4 for HA?

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:34 PM

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From?

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:34 PM

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3 b+

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:34 PM

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Kinda sorta. But, not really. Better to upgrade to a much more powerful machine.

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:34 PM

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such as?

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:35 PM

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Like an Intel NUC quad core with 8+GB RAM, NVMe disk, etc.

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:36 PM

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yikes..that's steep

orchid rose May 30, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Afaik rpi 4 still doesn't have usb boot so you'd be downgrading in the storage sense

green inlet May 30, 2020, 1:37 PM

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An ODroid is a nice upgrade that won’t break the bank

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Depends. 🙂

orchid rose May 30, 2020, 1:38 PM

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You can find older nucs for quite cheap sometimes

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:38 PM

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I mean storage wise I'm fine, I just want more overhead when it comes to memory

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:38 PM

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I'm getting a Intel NUC coming in next week, that's "recertified", with 128GB NVMe SSD, 8GB RAM, for less than $200

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:38 PM

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can't even compile esphome code on this one without it stalling

orchid rose May 30, 2020, 1:38 PM

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storage wise I mean that you'll be limited to SD cards and those will die

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:38 PM

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ODroid-H2 would be nice, but they're sold out most if not everywhere.

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:38 PM

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yeah..fair enough

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:39 PM

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Yeah.

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I had an SDcard die with HASS running on my RPi4. I/O was going so slow that it wasn't even worth trying anymore.

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128 kB/min, roughly.

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:39 PM

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but then again it's a half hour process to restore with snapshots

green inlet May 30, 2020, 1:39 PM

#

ODroid xu4

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:39 PM

#

so it's kinda ok

green inlet May 30, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Old laptop

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:40 PM

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I have my HASS /currently/ running on an old laptop now.

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:40 PM

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btw, anyone know how to increase the damn swap in hass.io? memory management is insanely bad

orchid rose May 30, 2020, 1:40 PM

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I'm just hoping to see AMD stuff in the NUC form factor soon. Their laptop cpus are great right now

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:40 PM

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But, I want a more specific dedicated machine to run HASS, just because.

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AMD CPU's have always been great.

orchid rose May 30, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Bulldozer 👀

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:41 PM

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@high pier theres a raspberry pi 8 GB now for all of your memory needs

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 1:41 PM

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I think its a joke

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:42 PM

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Heh. /except/ for the AMD FX line, which wasn't /great/, but was still okay. (And I got my settlement check for having AMD FX CPUs)

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:42 PM

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what happened with that line?

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:42 PM

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They lied about cores. That's when AMD started doing "threads".

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 1:43 PM

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I had a Phenom II which was dumb of me

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imo

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depends on use case I suppose

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:43 PM

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I still have Phenom II's

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 1:43 PM

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but at the time I bought it I should have gone i3

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:44 PM

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I like my hex core i5

orchid rose May 30, 2020, 1:44 PM

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There was something wrong with the design of the platform which made it slow despite the high frequencies and at the same time Intel came up with one of the best CPU lines we've seen with their Sandy Bridge and it's later iterations

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:45 PM

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I like my Ryzen. 😄

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Zen2 😄

orchid rose May 30, 2020, 1:45 PM

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Ryzen gang

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:45 PM

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BEHOLD!!! The power of || Zen2 ||!

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:46 PM

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now if amd made a nuc style

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low power

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:46 PM

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Indeed.

orchid rose May 30, 2020, 1:46 PM

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I'd be surprised if they didn't, now that they have a competitive mobile cpu

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:46 PM

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I would buy it in a heartbeat

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:46 PM

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Quite true.

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I hesitated buying the Intel NUC.... But. That said, I wanted something dedicated and reliable for HASS. 🙂

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Still waiting for that Intel NUC to actually be shipped.

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:48 PM

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https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/134892/intel-core-i5-8500b-processor-9m-cache-up-to-4-10-ghz.html

Intel® Core™ i5-8500B Processor (9M Cache, up to 4.10 GHz) Product ...

Intel® Core™ i5-8500B Processor (9M Cache, up to 4.10 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:49 PM

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Anyone knows how to increase the swap on hass.io?

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I figured I can at least try that

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So it doesn't spike as easy

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:50 PM

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That would make it worse.

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Really?

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Guaranteed.

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Ugh..

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I tried running a unifi addon... Never worked

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:50 PM

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on 1 GB?

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Ate up the memory in a flash

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:50 PM

#

no

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Eh... I didn't like the unifi addon.

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:50 PM

#

no shit

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:50 PM

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😂

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:51 PM

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the unifi addon should be ran on devices with a minimal of 2 GB of ram

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:51 PM

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I tried it for a bit, not realiable, memory hungry, and not useful.

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:51 PM

#

plus the 32bit database has issues

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:51 PM

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UPnP, if you /need/ it, but if you don't even need it, don't bother.

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:51 PM

#

I'm running it separately on a dietpi rpi

#

Works excellent

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:51 PM

#

I have unifi on a cloud key now

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:51 PM

#

Or, are you running the UniFI controller?

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Ahhhhhh

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:51 PM

#

Yes

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:51 PM

#

which im debating on another just for HA

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Not the integration, the cloud controller, yeahhhhh....

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:52 PM

#

The controller separately

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:52 PM

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I'm.. running mine... On a VM in my Proxmox VE cluster. LOL

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:52 PM

#

I used to run the integration

#

But it would just crash hass.io

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:52 PM

#

heh

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:52 PM

#

I bought the cloudkey2+

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:52 PM

#

So i separated them

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:52 PM

#

Yeah, I really would like a cloud key.

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:52 PM

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well worth it since I use their cameras as well

#

I think it has 8 cores?

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and 3-4 GB of ram

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:53 PM

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I just can't seem to justify $170~200 for 2 UniFI APs.

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:53 PM

#

...

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I have 1 unifi AP that costs 2x that

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almost 3.x

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:54 PM

#

heh

#

True.

high pier May 30, 2020, 1:54 PM

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Their stuff is awesome

#

Bombproof

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:55 PM

#

Heh.

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:55 PM

#

but their nano HD series is amazing for their price

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:55 PM

#

Well, There's the UniFI Cloud Key Gen2, and Gen2 Plus.

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:56 PM

#

allways get the plus

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$20 more for a HD

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:56 PM

#

heh.

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Is that the main difference?

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:57 PM

#

and its simply debian underneath

#

yes

#

the plus also supports unifi protect due to the HD

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:57 PM

#

Ahhhhhhh,.

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Okay. Well, $190, down the hatch..

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 1:58 PM

#

well worth it for something to power your cameras and controller

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 1:59 PM

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Wow. I had Ecolink Z-wave door/window sensors still in my car, and Amazon said I have reached thd limit for this item, and they changed the quantity to 1... From 2.... What the..

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 2:00 PM

#

23 degrees here

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blobsweat

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Man, USPS is loosing packages, at the drop-off point.

ocean mirage May 30, 2020, 2:01 PM

#

nice atx

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Seriously.... That's ridiculous.

#

And, I finally have a UniFI Cloud Key Gen2+ arriving Monday.

#

Finally can destroy that VM soon, and have a consistent reliable box and less wasted resources.

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:02 PM

#

ha

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Seriously. that VM, Ugh, what a PITA.

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:03 PM

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give it 3 GB of ram and feed it 64bit

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:03 PM

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I had to give it 4GB RAM, and it's always been 64bit.

#

I'm guessing I'll be able to export my current setup and import it into the new CloudKey?

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:04 PM

#

yep

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Eggggcelent. Easy.

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:05 PM

#

download a backup

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restore

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export devices

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Destroy VM. 😉

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Oh, export devices?

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:05 PM

#

new ip

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need to tell them where to go

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Ahhhh

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:05 PM

#

or just the USG?

#

depends on your setup

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:06 PM

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Yeah. I had to do that once before without a controller. :/

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I don't have a USG. I have an EdgeRouter Lite PoE.

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:06 PM

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ah, then you might need to ssh in and set inform

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:06 PM

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Fun.

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Okay. So, not as simple, but it'll be simple, finally, soon.

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:07 PM

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or you do it from the UI

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and it does it for you

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you have options if you fuck up 😄

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Heh yeah.

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Last time I recovered my UAP's, it was a PITA, but it was worked out.

#

And, yay, my Amazon Delivery is here. That was fast! Oh wait, not the CloudKey.

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:09 PM

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really?

#

its soo easy to recover

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:10 PM

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Yeah. Not when you've never had to do it.

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:10 PM

#

lol

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you never planned for it

#

never set up ssh for when things explode

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:11 PM

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Nice. My 2xRPI3's are her, at least, and I believe 4xESP8266's.

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Yep. 😄

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I did , thankfully, have ssh on them. 🙂

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Still do.

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Heh, one day I might have to switch to the USG, but.. The EdgeRouter does a great job for my needs, so far.

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And highly customizable, which I udnerstand the USG is not as much so.

high pier May 30, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Welp, compiling is out of the question

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In esphome

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Guess I'll run a VMware instance and just compile there

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:16 PM

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well shit

#

new vmware update with container support

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rip docker desktop

#

vmware's solution is far far better

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:22 PM

#

RPI3 1 assembled. LOL

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Oh sheash.

#

A slight variation in the board configuration and my old RPI3 case seems... incompatible.

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I could cut out the inner plastic walls, and make it work, however.

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It's just the GPU location and the 4 pin header that's different.

green inlet May 30, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Trash raspi3 cases. They just hold in heat

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Heh

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That's why I'm, okay removing the inner plastic wall entirely.

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It's.. not needed.

green inlet May 30, 2020, 2:30 PM

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I mounted mine to plywood. They run a heck of a lot cooler

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Fuel tubing standoffs

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:30 PM

#

heh

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:30 PM

#

thats why I use other cases

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ones with ventilation...

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:31 PM

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Well, the RPI3 didn't get nearly so hot depending on use.

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:31 PM

#

I have the b+ with the poe hat

#

it gets hot

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:31 PM

#

The RPI4... Holy frack, that just gets hot. I had to put an active fan cooler on it to keep it cool.

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:31 PM

#

lol

green inlet May 30, 2020, 2:31 PM

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Any case is going to hold in heat

fluid zephyr May 30, 2020, 2:32 PM

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agh.. Got a random workday in the midst of unempolyoment... gotta work for a HS graduation... I hope I remember how to do my job 🤣

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:32 PM

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rofl

high pier May 30, 2020, 2:33 PM

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There's a metal one that's great

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Btw, for a VMware setup. Do you just run a random Linux distro and throw ha on top of it?

green inlet May 30, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Debian

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:34 PM

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debian

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or alpine

green inlet May 30, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Many run ubuntu

fluid zephyr May 30, 2020, 2:34 PM

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you could but Ubuntu or Debain will be most common

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:35 PM

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There, innards at least cut out.

high pier May 30, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Cool

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I just need it to be able to compile 😂

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Old case, for now, made compatible. LOL

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:36 PM

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is this down for everyone else? https://home.openweathermap.org/users/sign_in

fluid zephyr May 30, 2020, 2:36 PM

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I get a sing nin page

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Second RPI3. Assembled. LOL

green inlet May 30, 2020, 2:36 PM

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https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com

Is it down? Check at Down for Everyone or Just Me

Check if a website or service is down or having problems + report your problems! Click now to check/report problems!

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:36 PM

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dam

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Now I just need SDcards. LOL

fluid zephyr May 30, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Not a fan of SDcards but I've had good luck with the samsung EVO ones

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Yes, me too.

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Not a fan of Samsung, either, but their SD/SSD are good.

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:37 PM

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I use usb storage

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:38 PM

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These are just going to be temporary monitor.sh boxes, until I get the Orange Pi Zero's.

fluid zephyr May 30, 2020, 2:38 PM

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yea I don't care for them much either but it's all I use for SSD

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Then... I'll create other uses for these things. 🙂

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Yeah, I haven't yet trusted myself to try out Toshiba's newer line of SSD, since they consumed OCZ. OCZ was an interesting company. Good memory technology devices. They just took too long to figure out what they were good at.

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Awww, this Nema 17 stepper motor is smaller than I imagined. LOL

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 2:43 PM

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I haven't bought an SD card in 6 years

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But tinkerer convinced me

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To order a WD purple

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Western Digital? Really?

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I've trusted WD for a long time, for spinning HDD's, but their solid state stuff has been utter crap, and a lot of their newer spinning drives have been also crap.

orchid rose May 30, 2020, 2:45 PM

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I almost burned my Nema 17 when I got one. Had the controller configured wrong so it ran 4x the rated power of the motor and as they also run the power when it doesn't spin I didn't notice it

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:46 PM

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heh

fluid zephyr May 30, 2020, 2:46 PM

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Are Reds still good for NAS

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:46 PM

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I don't yet have the controllers for mine.

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 2:46 PM

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WD owns SanDisk and HGST

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:46 PM

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Those are arriving tomorrow.

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Now... they own HGST, which was a damn good drive.

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 2:46 PM

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@fluid zephyr I bought wd external drives and shucked them for reds inside

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:46 PM

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But, I didn't know about SanDisk....

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 2:46 PM

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Cost almost half

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:47 PM

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I have a couple Reds still in operation but a lot of them died short lives.

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 2:47 PM

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Think i paid $210 for the external 10TB ones, and the retail red drives were $390

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:47 PM

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I'd switched to HGST before WD bought them out.

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Well, Toshiba, which was HGST. 🙂

fluid zephyr May 30, 2020, 2:48 PM

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I still have two on the self... Amazon messed up... bonus, bonus -- But I'm waiting on TrueNAS 12 to try an expand my pool instead of rebuilding it

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Yeah, but the drives in those externals are usually the ewwwblues.

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 2:48 PM

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@fluid zephyr same here, gonna add 4 more 10TB drives

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:49 PM

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Wow. Mail;'s running eaaaaaarly today. Amazon Delivery's already come and gone. FedEx is here (I have nothing from them today). Just UPS and USPS left.

fluid zephyr May 30, 2020, 2:50 PM

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I hae little bady dive... only 8x 4TB -- goes will my only one xeon , lol

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 2:50 PM

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I used to install probably 4000 drives per year, not as many anymore since SSDs are 32TB now

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:50 PM

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I used to return hundreds of SSD's a month. To Intel. Because their SSDs sucked in my testing, and I'd kill them so quickly.,

fluid zephyr May 30, 2020, 2:51 PM

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32TB SSD ?! how much would that set me back?

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:51 PM

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heh

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How big is your wallet? 😉

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:51 PM

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you mean push you foward

fluid zephyr May 30, 2020, 2:51 PM

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I can say for sure, not big enough

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Your house? Your car?

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Your wife? Your kids? 😄

fluid zephyr May 30, 2020, 2:52 PM

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my wallet is not big enough to afford for 32 TB SSD

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Hence, the additions. 😉

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 2:52 PM

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both kidneys + wife's

fluid zephyr May 30, 2020, 2:52 PM

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I run light 🤣 -- just got the dog worry about

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Oh, well, hmmmmmmm....

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Nice. Braided USB extension cables. (For the NESPi controllers)

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now, I'm ready for my next shipment. Had a bunch of stuff from Storacell coming in today, so I can finally organize all my rechargeable batteries.

clear ferry May 30, 2020, 2:58 PM

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@fluid zephyr $85k I think these days

fluid zephyr May 30, 2020, 3:00 PM

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oh that's all -- I would only take me about 5 yrs to save up for that. but it's do-able

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I just found a quarter in my computer chair, I'll apply it to my piggy bank, start saving now

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Lately, for SDcards, because they're so cheap and local, I've beend doing Walmart's onn brand.

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And they've been surprisingly lasting for video recording loops for my interior cameras so far.

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And I’ve seen this twice now. USPS label created for tracking... never gets beyond that. Stuck in Limbo and USPS knows nothing

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What the actual frack, USPS?

fluid zephyr May 30, 2020, 3:12 PM

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I see that usually when it's a third party delivering to USPS then USPS to your house... I've had stuff at my house before any tracking was updated

undone aspen May 30, 2020, 3:13 PM

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It was the company directly to USPS, and then USPS looses it before it even ships.

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Twice. Two different states

brisk glen May 30, 2020, 3:13 PM

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fedex is shit lately