Naga Joloka... do you know what Naga means?
#the-water-cooler
last plaza
hushed basalt
I'm going to have to revert my HA config to a snapshot. I think 109 has ruined by setup
last plaza
Naga means Snake
green inlet
I don’t
last plaza
🐍
hushed basalt
God bless snapshots on filesystems
green inlet
That’s some good sauce if you can find it
last plaza
meaning - it would be as potent as a snake venom
green inlet
Keeps me young
last plaza
we have SO many varieties of spicy stuff at home - mostly home made, folks will bleed if they sniff
green inlet
And the wife happy if you know what I mean🤣
last plaza
lol
ruby osprey
can i somehow use my iPhone as a proximity sensor, so for example, a door could unlock when i get close to it?
green inlet
Yes, but ask #ios_and_mac-archived, there is an App Store app
white sleet
Anyone have a minute to help me with an integration question re emulated_hue?
green inlet
Go there now....I will try
ruby osprey
thanks @green inlet
scenic radish
actual good networking equipment supposed to arrive tomorrow 🎉
now i can really stop bitching about my google wifi
oh shit and i have a perfect spot to mount the AP on the wall
green inlet
It’s the little things in life right
scenic radish
indeed.
it will be at the top of a wall in a closet but it should be better than where it's at now
i'm thinking moving it from 2' to 7' and -1 wall will help a bit with signal
i already don't have a signal issue though since i'm in a ~1000 sq ft condo
hushed basalt
What are you getting
scenic radish
ER-x + unifi AP-AC Lite
scenic radish
inb4 BUT IT'S ONLY HALF DUPLEX WITH GIGABIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
scenic radish
looks like the ac lite comes with a 12W poe adapter?
if so... this means i might not need to buy a higher rated power supply for the ER-x to power the AP via PoE
because i might be able to just use the adapter that comes with the AP
shy comet
thats exactly how i powered mine
scenic radish
sweet, so you can use the AP adapter with the ER-x?
shy comet
yup 🙂
scenic radish
dude.
that is awesome.
i'm so excited right now lol
that means i can mount the AP where i want to tomorrow
shy comet
yea i was pretty happy when i set mine up
it kinda solved multiple issues with things updating slow etc...
normal routers cant hang when you have like 50+ wireless clients lol
velvet horizonBOT
scenic radish
yeah i don't have quite that many clients but i wanted a better router, and i can't use my google wifi as an AP because i wouldn't be able to create a guest network with it in bridge mode
yikes
shy comet
yea lol
youll get there eventually
my old nighthawk hated it when i tried to load multiple camera streams at once
would literally reboot over high load
scenic radish
.rule6 @obsidian lark
velvet horizonBOT
obsidian lark
I'll try a shorter version 🙂 I recently changed the IP of my HA box. Now I get
" You're about to give http://192.168.50.50:8123/ access to your Home Assistant instance.
Logging in with Home Assistant Local.Invalid username or password " on the web interface and my UN/PW doesn't work. Any ideas?
scenic radish
how did you install home assistant?
no home assistant support here, so i'd like to redirect you to the right channel
obsidian lark
@wet pilot I tried another browser in incognito without luck.
tidal bronze
@shy comet going to do the next project with 2815 led's 🙂
obsidian lark
I'll post somewhere else - thanks!
hushed basalt
@scenic radish the power supply is an injector
So you just run your cat cable from the injector to your AP
shy comet
@tidal bronze where you gonna put it?
hushed basalt
It's not a power supply that you plug in directly to the AP
tidal bronze
@shy comet pergola and master back lighting.
scenic radish
@hushed basalt right, the ER-x has PoE In and PoE passthrough
green inlet
For home use, edgerouter-x is the bomb. Did the wife give up something for the wedding to allow you to get it 😀
hushed basalt
As long as it's powerful enough you can do that
green inlet
Flowers
hushed basalt
Maybe
green inlet
A,guest
scenic radish
it is, 12W
tidal bronze
@shy comet
shy comet
man u going all out lol
green inlet
You doing the bedposts?
tidal bronze
@scenic radish you gonna love the ERX 🙂
scenic radish
@hushed basalt yes, i believe it is
good to hear quad! i've heard good things. it'll be a nice upgrade
dreamy vortex
is there like a write-up on what the difference between hassio and homeassistant is?
scenic radish
hassio == the old name for what is now home assistant
Home Assistant == Hassio
Home Assistant Supervised == "Generic linux install"
Home Assistant Core == venv
Home Assistant Core on Docker == docker
tidal bronze
@green inlet no back drop step ceiling
dreamy vortex
is there any way to get the "supervisor" part on a docker install of homeassistant?
molten osprey
I love that we're still struggling with the naming 😉
dreamy vortex
I had no idea I was not getting the useful one that everyone write guides for when I went with homeassistant/home-assistant docker image
tidal bronze
Next month will be something new for sure
green inlet
Useful is subjective
scenic radish
no, you'd need to run the (now potentially deprecated) Supervised install to get something like that
dreamy vortex
useful == being able to install addons from git repos without some filesystem shenanigans
useful == being able to do backups from within the UI
green inlet
Go core docker or Venv......it’s what all the cool kids are doing
dreamy vortex
I am using core docker I guess.
green inlet
Chicks will dig you more
dreamy vortex
but it does not have the addon installer from a repo or any way to do backups from the UI
scenic radish
all you need to do is backup the /config dir
green inlet
No, but all that is possible
scenic radish
and most addons (except ones that have special application to home assistant like the SSH and web terminal addon) exist as regular docker containers
green inlet
If all comes down to time. And learning curve. Do you want to put the time in to really learn or you want point and click
scenic radish
actually @hushed basalt it looks like i could power the ER-x with the PoE injector via eth0 with WAN on eth1. i'll just have my switch on eth0
eth0 is the PoE input
dreamy vortex
I am running zigbee2mqtt (docker), mosquitto (docker), homeassistant (docker) and have automated backups etc already setup. I am just trying to understand why the confusion and why the one I installed does not have all the features of the (I guess deprecated) version
scenic radish
because the docker and venv installs are home assistant core only
obsidian lark
Any suggestions on which channel to post an issue with login? I'd like to avoid spamming but I can't decide if it's a frontend issue or something else
scenic radish
Supervised and Home Assistant (previously Hassio) are core + extra functionality
dreamy vortex
so why can't you add that functionality onto the core version?
that I guess I am running
dreamy vortex
if there a writeup on that somewhere I can go read?
green inlet
Just have to do it without supervisor and add-one
scenic radish
@obsidian lark kind of hard to say. maybe #general-archived
green inlet
On what?
scenic radish
login issue related to changing the server's LAN IP
green inlet
They are individual depending on what you want to do
Add-ons and supervised give you point and click installations
But sounds like you are well on your way with a core install
scenic radish
@dreamy vortex you can't manually add the supervisor functions to a docker install. i think what pdobrien is saying is that you can find docker containers for add-ons and install them alongside your home assistant docker install
dreamy vortex
I found the recent blog post linked on the supervisor repo. reading now.
scenic radish
i'm not a dev so i don't know the details, but the Supervised install involves more than just the Supervisor docker container (there are a few others: DNS, audio, etc). It's expecting a very specific setup that's only possible with that install method
that's all i'm gonna say though because i don't want to spread misinformation
tidal bronze
@scenic radish so what are you getting ERX and?
scenic radish
AP AC lite
tidal bronze
nice
hushed basalt
@scenic radish you could just put your poe injector on your wan line
hushed basalt
I think that poe in on wan becomes more annoying if you're using like a GPON that needs POE in on the wan out
Then you end up needing like two poe injectors back to back lol
tidal bronze
why poe pass-thru?
hushed basalt
One less power brick needed?
scenic radish
Yup
hushed basalt
It adds up
scenic radish
And the AP can only be powered by PoE
tidal bronze
lol
hushed basalt
Powerboards and bricks and cables take up a lot of space
scenic radish
Especially with my setup...
hushed basalt
One shelf in my cabinet is devoted entirely to all of that stuff
hushed basalt
Can you mount the AP on the ceiling
dreamy vortex
I understand what happened now. sad that the addon manager and the backups got dumped because of the supervisor dying off.
wet pilot
Waps typically produce a cardiod pattern
scenic radish
Only with the generic Linux install
wet pilot
Not a lot of projection behind it
scenic radish
Still possible with the Home Assistant OS image
Ah so maybe not a good idea on a wall then
tidal bronze
@wet pilot cardiod 🙂 So good to hear that
dreamy vortex
yeah, I am running all this on an old macbook pro running arch. I don't want to run a vm or reinstall the OS just for this
scenic radish
Dammit phnx
tidal bronze
Ideally will have to go on ceiling
hushed basalt
Are the lights in your ceiling run with conduit inside the concrete
tidal bronze
Get some wiremold knockoffs from amazon and do it right.
hushed basalt
Mine is on a table atm :(
tidal bronze
area you are trying to cover? @scenic radish
scenic radish
Guess I'll just leave it where it's at now :/
hushed basalt
Desk height or lower
scenic radish
1000 sq ft
hushed basalt
What are you walls made of
tidal bronze
You should be good on the wall
hushed basalt
Mine walls are brick and the floors are concrete. My ac lite is very limited
I really need 2 or 3 even though it's only a very small townhouse
scenic radish
Drywall
tidal bronze
Try the wall might be good enough on outer edges
hushed basalt
You could mount it in the corner of the ceiling
So you only have a tiny amount of cable from the top of the drywall to the AP
Which you'd never see
scenic radish
Yeah I might do that. The closet has a drywall drop ceiling so worst case scenario a short amount of cable would be exposed but not visible because of the door
Yeah I'll just ceiling mount it, no big
tidal bronze
Never used a lite, don't know the actual performance but don't think it's going to be such a big deal. 🙂
hushed basalt
They're very good value
scenic radish
867 Mbps on 5 GHz, more than I need tbh
hushed basalt
And more than fine for providing wifi to phones and tablets
Just don't try to copy TBs to your server with them
scenic radish
Lol I don't do anything like that. Server, desktop, etc. are all wired anyway
hushed basalt
Just get all of them
tidal bronze
I do have all of them 🙂
tidal bronze
Still think it's not enough.
hushed basalt
Plus surface heating
tidal bronze
SHD + 2 x AC PRO + AC LR + 2 x AC MESH at home. Still need better coverage on the edges of the backyard.
tidal bronze
I like the AC mesh units. Just need one more and I should be good.
hushed basalt
What are they designed for
Are they more for outdoors
And do they work with backhauls or only mesh
They look pretty expensive
hushed basalt
They look nice
tidal bronze
Blends nicely
molten osprey
I had an ISP sales rep try to sell me on their "mesh package" ... which came with 1 access point
I tried to get him to explain the point of having the "mesh router" if i just had a single one
endless talk, zero information
dont think he knew what 'mesh' is
hushed basalt
Sales people are the worst
I have zero interest talking to any sales "rep" who doesn't understand the product/service
scenic radish
Meh. Maybe I'll just leave it on the entertainment center it's on now
Thought it'd be cool for it to be hidden
hushed basalt
Out in the open is nice
Especially on the ceiling
But if you leave it on your entertainment centre it might be too close to other radio polluters
But see how you go
You can always move it later
scenic radish
Guess I could try the ceiling. Worst case, I remove it and put it on the entertainment center and who cares about the holes because it's a closet
tidal bronze
You can test out a few locations with 3m gel tape. Finalize later.
tidal bronze
I tested before mounting. Range and overlap.
tidal bronze
Yep good stuff.
scenic radish
how many times can I fuck around with positioning of this item before I'm satisfied
hushed basalt
Just do whatever is simple enough for good enough
tidal bronze
I try to enjoy now more than tinkering.
hushed basalt
So handbuild a RC bot with an adjustable pole mount and AI software to position the AP in your house using machine learning
hushed basalt
I am the machine
scenic radish
No, you are GitHub, remember?
hushed basalt
I thought I was a GEP gun
scenic radish
I don't know what that is, and at this point, I'm too afraid to ask.
scenic radish
🤯
Alright, giving borderlands 3 another try after being kind of disappointed by it
Borderlands 2 was so good
1 was also good
Oh wait. I forgot I was pissed that certain characters were killed for no apparent reason.
hushed basalt
Did you try to not let them die
Deus Ex was good like that, you could pretty much save or kill any main character
And it would change the story
ocean mirage
Its been so long since I played it
ocean mirage
The thing I remember the most clearly is when I lost it laughing cause one of the bosses is like ||I am the same as you but I got a firmware update get rekt||
What similarities are you drawing with skyrim
hushed basalt
I AM ON THE DEV BRANCH
ocean mirage
haha
ocean mirage
fair enough
hushed basalt
Sneak/stealth, hack/pick
ocean mirage
depends how much into games you are, to someone who isnt its close enough
ocean mirage
I don't have the brain or patience for that, I assume
hushed basalt
Did you ever play minecraft
ocean mirage
Yeah a fair bit over the years
scenic radish
I loved Minecraft
ocean mirage
yeah it'd be nice to be able to enjoy it for the first time again
10 years gone from that
scenic radish
Alright, here's the run to the closet. Probably gonna leave it like that like the animal I am
Bought a fish tape a couple of years ago for one specific project. I knew it would continue to come in handy
And at the bottom of the other side of the wall... lol. Need to get a proper face plate but until then...
ocean mirage
how are you terminating it on the janky side?
scenic radish
Which is the janky side
ocean mirage
the round hole
scenic radish
I'm gonna put an AP there
ocean mirage
ohh I see
not the janky side then really
I thought you were maybe doing what I am doing which is janky
scenic radish
Yeah conveniently it's on the other side of the wall where the router will be
Straight run up inside the wall
E Z P Z
ocean mirage
I ran some ethernet on the weekend, my legs are still sore from being in my roof
its jank too
scenic radish
Unfortunately there would be no way for me to run Ethernet to each room like I would like to because of the concrete ceilings and floors
Plus this isn't my "forever home" anyway
ocean mirage
ah oof
on one end I just have the networking stuff in the top of a closet and run the ethernet straight out of a hole in the ceiling and terminate to RJ45, no patch panel
hence is being sort of jank
and on the other end I just had a coax antennae cable there anyway so it was easy enough to run except my roof is cramped af
ocean mirage
I can't picture how they would have helped, at least in my case
my knees seem bad enough already but being a somewhat big dude in a cramped roof suckeddd
at least while up there I noticed many misplaced insulation batts from previous electrical work I assume so I fixed that lol
hushed basalt
If you get a pulley up at the top of the roof and maybe a few more at key bends
Then you can use hooks and snakes and stuff to pull a drawstring up from the edges where the roof is low
Then you're not working in the low parts of the roof as much
I'm scared to think of what the insulation situation is like in this rental
ocean mirage
Ah right, might not have helped too much in my case but I get it
insulation here is pretty good its just tradies fuck with it and dont care
apparently
fading zodiac
Morning
scenic radish
Good night
rare condor
How many years do you reckon this fence has left in it? https://photos.app.goo.gl/vwY9ViNgHsQVqcWk8 Debating whether to buy tech stuff or fence repair 🤔
ocean mirage
Do you have pets or kids to keep in
rare condor
No just adults to keep in
ocean mirage
I'd probably leave it personally lol
rare condor
Drunk adults are just as bad
rare condor
Yes
ocean mirage
So you'd be splitting costs?
rare condor
I guess its whether I should wait until it falls
well, our neighbour is a bit crazy so I'm not sure. I would avoid court at all costs so 50/50 chance she would pay
scenic radish
Whose fence is it?
rare condor
The backyard of our house
scenic radish
I mean as far as ownership
Oh, guessing yours based on the pillars being on your side
ocean mirage
Is that how it works where you are? Here its 50/50 ownership afaik
scenic radish
Ah gotcha. Well I don't own a house or fence, but I think it's owned by whoever's property line it's on (United States)
I do wonder if it's maybe a per-state thing though
sour escarp
same here, wall is common property which sucks ass because my neighbor floods ours with water because she didn't put up water barrier where she put up planters and word is she flooded the neighbor behind us
but wont have the money to pay for a replacement when it crumbles
sour escarp
ugh
rare condor
and also soil comes under our side from plants (we have concrete backyard)
sour escarp
does that cause the concrete to crack?
rare condor
a battle of wills I guess, see if I can wait until it falls over or having hole long enough is pain
yes
concrete cracking and moss
scenic radish
That's incredibly annoying
sour escarp
it's almost like we have the same neighbor
scenic radish
Some people have no pride in their property...
sour escarp
i've been at war with this woman for years now, i'm even on the HOA board and there is very little they can do
scenic radish
I also am on an HOA board. For a condo complex though, not houses
sour escarp
funny
i got dragged into it by my neighbor.. no one else wants to do it and we've had a vacant seat for 6+ months
scenic radish
One of the board members that I developed a relationship with practically begged me to be on the board lol
rare condor
funny thing was I started to repair the fence two years ago and she threatened to take me court, in Australia you need a legal agreement before anyone can touch or repair the fence even if its falling over
(I was paying for it too)
sour escarp
yeah i dunno, there could be some big liability with a fence
rare condor
yeah so its a problem for future me I guess
sour escarp
likely someone did a makeshift fence and it killed the neighbor or something haha
my neighbor installed a shed in the front facing area of the house (not behind wall) without any approval and it comes just < .5" from our property line and there is only 10 feet between our homes. the HOA is fining her $100/week for months now but nothing has changed
and not even scratching the surface
hushed basalt
Have you considered building your own fence 5mm in on your property out if colorbond :D
sour escarp
what is colorbond?
hushed basalt
For Haxxa
sour escarp
gotcha
sour escarp
interesting
hushed basalt
Used for roofs and fences in Australia mostly
ocean mirage
what is the non-modern material then?
hushed basalt
Seas of terracotta
sour escarp
shingles
hushed basalt
Shingles was never a thing in my city
sour escarp
i even saw houses out here with rock roofs
ocean mirage
Yeah I've never had a house with shingles...or noticed any really
sour escarp
i have lived in them but own a house with tile
hushed basalt
It should be illegal to build dark roofs here
ocean mirage
auth telco
gentle ferry
does anyone have notion sensors?
clever mortar
I'd ask in #hardware-archived
fading zodiac
You do?
clever mortar
I mostly ask why
fading zodiac
"Why does anyone have notion sensors"?
clever mortar
I think a more general 
Why?
fading zodiac
😂
low harness
I really wish I had commented this code back in the day...
fading zodiac
It sends something
low harness
Oh wait! I remember now! I needed to be able to type ¨ for ssh, but that's a dead key on Swedish keyboard layouts, so I replace ¨ with ¨<space> and ctrl+shift+¨ with ¨.
clever mortar
fading zodiac
Good!
fading zodiac
Would ubuntu run fine on 1gb?
clear ferry
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
fading zodiac
I just need it for the browser 😂
forest edge
been testing my doorbell api thing for the last couple days before remaking my forum post just to make sure I had things in order and tonight I get two phantom changes on the api that had only changed prior when the doorbell was rung so i'm like back to square one lol
clear ferry
you have APIs out in the dustbowl ?
forest edge
of course, how else do you think you get internet on Everest?
hushed basalt
Whoops I lost the private key for my kubernetes nodes
Now I'll have to run ansible-playbook site.yaml again. The horror.
fading zodiac
Stupid DSM
I've send a support call
@clear ferry you don't happen to know why my DSM cannot acces VM's?
PFsense in VM1 , HA in VM2
If i use openvpn to connecto to PFsense , i cannot open internal port of VM2
or DSM
but i can open router
clever mortar
Sounds like a routing problem
clear ferry
sounds like a routing problem
clever mortar
Well, is that VPN bridged or routed?
If routed, the DSM needs to know how to reach back
hushed basalt
You might not be ready to operate at this level
fading zodiac
I have no clue how to figure that out.
clear ferry
Is his powerlevel less than 9000 @hushed basalt ?
fading zodiac
How does one check this?
clever mortar
Check the settings on the VPN server
For OpenVPN it's tap vs tun
Then you can Google for that to see what it is
clear ferry
a standard guide for road warrior setup of openvpn should be good enough really
fading zodiac
sec
Somehow, i am now connected
It works
😮
Now i can turn of Upnp
I've seutp DDNS in the syno nas
I have no clue how i fixed it
Thanks for trying ❤️
Rofl
I now found the use of self hosting discord bots
Feels like IRC all over again 😂
This customer service of the invitemanager bot is stupid
clear ferry
how it annoys me to no end that the nodemcu is the same size as a standard breadboard
modest hollow
anyone with qemu/kwm hassio? get always no bootable device error, have tried with all 4 images
clear ferry
then turn on EFI and ask in the right channel 😉
modest hollow
I can not find EFI option in qemu/kwm, only in Virtual box
forest edge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/559707731041320960/702422102875308032/head-banging-constuction-worker.gif @clear ferry
clear ferry
Looks about right
clever mortar
Powered by the hair... a modern day Samson
forest edge
hearty depot
Try it!
curl parrot.live
clear ferry
@last dirge @tidal bronze tried injection of power from both ends, no change, tried 2% brightness and red, no change, now I've cut it to be only 5 LEDs long, still same, so has to be a bad strip
low harness
The ones with the tile cutter and angle grinder make me feel sick.
fathom sparrow
I wish there was a way to convert a virtual box env to hyper v. Or if windows would just allow both on the same system. 😩
clear ferry
@fathom sparrow hyperv has converters just like VMware
But not from virtualbox 🤢
But you can export it as a ovf and import another place
fathom sparrow
Yeah I also heard a rumor that ms was working on a way to have both
I was just forced to switch to hyperv for work and now I can’t use my dev env for HA cause it was vb
clear ferry
Just run nested virtualization 
shy comet
https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/comments/gmhakn/wyze_is_looking_for_investors/ wow how long until Wyze bites the dust?
clear ferry
And I'm just sitting here with my 20$ Chinese cameras that work 😎
brisk glen
day 3 of abode being offline for local homekit...
clear ferry
Lol homekit
brisk glen
@clear ferry this is an abode issue not a homekit one lol
their service stops sending mdns packets
err hardware
brisk glen
lol no cloud with homekit
lol
unless you have a better security system that works localy with HA
shy comet
the best security system is the one where you call the cops instead of the company honestly
light trout
A picture of @clear ferry on your door
shy comet
when teh company calls teh cops there is a delay in how long they show up
i once had a false alarm and it took them 2 hours to show up
brisk glen
@shy comet except during a home invasion where they break in through the door like a cop raid and take your phones
shy comet
in 2 hours all the important shit could be gone
brisk glen
the security system is going to be the backup option
and no this is no in theory.... I had a home invasion that went down like this
brisk glen
never had a security system
shy comet
like to wake up before they get into your house
brisk glen
I lived in a small apartment and I was cooking dinner...
tidal bronze
@clear ferry seems like it. It happens
shy comet
that nuts
clear ferry
@tidal bronze actually not... If I power the wemos from usb and the strip from the wemos it works fine, even with 50 leds
shy comet
although if you were awake during that, how would you be able to trigger the alarm?
brisk glen
@shy comet thats the point, they were soo fast there is no time
tidal bronze
@clear ferry lol. So that strip does not like your psu?
brisk glen
the security system I have has a home mode
clear ferry
And if I power the nodemcu board from the PSU, then power the led from the 3v port it works fine, except the blue is very dim because of the higher draw
brisk glen
aka only the door , glass break sensors are active
shy comet
yea i would move out of that place so quick lol
tidal bronze
@clear ferry so your internal AMS reg is bad?
brisk glen
I did lol
shy comet
lol
did you feel that was a random invasion or targetted?
cuz that situaiton sounds nuts
brisk glen
I moved out, added a security system dumped homekit secure video cameras and moved to unifi protect
clear ferry
@tidal bronze ams?
clear ferry
It appears to be the PSU for some reason, but NOT with the black strip, just all my other ones
shy comet
damn talk about scary shit
brisk glen
my wife and I keep like $5 between both of us in cash
clear ferry
Yeah, that home invasion stuff is crazy I think I can count on a single hand the amount of times that has happened in Scandinavian countries the last 20 years, so I can't relate
brisk glen
clearly I need to move to where @clear ferry lives
shy comet
haha
clear ferry
Seriously, the worst crime we have for the most part is polish criminals stealing tires
tidal bronze
@brisk glen where is this ?
brisk glen
@tidal bronze texas
shy comet
im like wondering if one of those security doors people get would even be useful in a situation like that
brisk glen
going to ask the apartment if Im allowed to upgrade their door
but its a visual upgrade with metal plates etc
$100 gets you a door that takes a few kicks
shy comet
yea in an apartment tough to setup a early alert system since you can't do much outside
i have tons of lights outside that light up when you walk by the house so my cameras are very visible at that point
brisk glen
I shoved a camera inside right up against the glass window
clearly visible
decent quality
shy comet
yea I mean honestly if someone wants to get in your house that way theres really not much you can do to prevent them if they are hell bent
brisk glen
night time is rather good with the sensor on this
tidal bronze
@shy comet yep
shy comet
at that point you focus more on weapons and a plan
brisk glen
yah but I added a lot of visual deterrents this time
shy comet
like baracading in e house
shy comet
yea those are helpful for those looking for an opportunity
man I bet at this point you guys probably have a plan that you practice like once a month
thats something i need to do myself
that plan for an oh shit moment like that is important
tidal bronze
I do have one.
brisk glen
hide under the bed and grab the emergency phone hidden
shy comet
my plan is to grab my son and lock myself in the bedroom lol
brisk glen
lol
tidal bronze
But home invasion is next level so anyone who is doing it is either next level or simply nuts.
brisk glen
a lot of that going around
shy comet
yea, I always think about it like if someone wants to get in to your house they will find a way to get in at that point its how fast you can notify yourself to prepare for it instead of deterring
tidal bronze
Agreed.
shy comet
its why my house says "front door open" or "front door closed"
still not good enough for home invasino but something lol
brisk glen
mine will just scream at you in angry alarm sounds
shy comet
lol
brisk glen
and scream at the neighbors dogs as well with the outside alarm
tidal bronze
Dogs are best in my opinion
shy comet
in that situation i would worry about mine though
tidal bronze
Lol
shy comet
yea i was gonna say start with a puppy
tidal bronze
Even my neighbors would think twice crossing my driveway
shy comet
like 10 weeks old
brisk glen
issue is we are both gone most of the time
tidal bronze
Well if you are not home something happens its alright
All material stuff can be replaced
At least thats how I look at it.
shy comet
yea its the guys who break in while you are home cooking is the ones you gotta worry about
man that makes me think about what i would do in that situation
tidal bronze
Get something to protect your family 😀
shy comet
yea if ur cooking hope you were using oil and burn them with it lol
brisk glen
making soup in a big pot lol
shy comet
haha yea boiling soup
tidal bronze
With the current situation things will get a little crazy.
shy comet
@brisk glen did you catch that break in on video?
brisk glen
no... this is why I trashed homekit secure video and all cloud cameras
shy comet
oof yea
shy comet
yea for reals
undone aspen
Finally!
I was finally able to file unemployment today. LOL
@brisk glen So, when you're about, I've curious questions for you.
brisk glen
?
undone aspen
Aha! He's here. 😉
So, Michael, when you had ecobee authorization issues, did your HASS ever fail, or take extremely long, etc... To fully start up and initialize?
clear ferry
@tidal bronze same with my bench power supply, so not a problem with the PSU itself
brisk glen
nope
my hass is running inside a vmware vm @undone aspen
the hardware hosing it is rather powerful
hazy vessel
Anyone here with Somfy integration working? I'm wondering what's needed for integrating HA wth my Somfy blinds/window awnings? Is the Tahoma box needed?
brisk glen
TOP bin intel chips
undone aspen
Yeah, mine runs in Docker, but when my HASS was failing to complete startup, but seemingly just stall in the process of it.. the only actual errors in the logs were strictly about ecobee.
So, I was curious. Once I REMOVED the integration for ecobee, it's been working since.
So I'm wondering if there's a serious bug with the actual ecobee integration itself that could completely stall the whole hass startup itself.
brisk glen
might be possible, I know UI reboots a few days ago took forever
but they are fast today
undone aspen
Yeah, same. ring integration slows my startup a little bit, but otherwise, everything's fast.
I waited, easily 30m~180 minutes for hass to start up when it was failing, because I was trying to see if it would just self recover, while I was looking at other angles of it.
brisk glen
good god
undone aspen
yeah.
hassio domain never started, webui never started, etc.
Once I removed the ecobee integration from it, finally after a random fluke of it starting.... I was able to get things working flawlessly since.
That's what more drives me crazy. The not knowing what the heck took it down so badly.
I'm thinking the only way I'm going to get my ecobee "comfort" settings for the time being is to integrate Alexa into ecobee through skill, and since I use the Alexa to integrate most of my automations together by voice, the "Goodnight" scene could integrate setting the comfort zone, and the normal schedule could resume the comfort setting, along with the dismissing of the alarm.
undone aspen
I use that currently, with HASS integrated.
brisk glen
it should be fast then
undone aspen
For automation, I'm linking the Alexa ecobee plus skill to control comfort settings, or hoping to be able to.
"Alexa, tell ecobee good night" for example, will set the Night "comfort" setting.
brisk glen
oh man
Calendar panel in the upcoming home assistant beta
you could forget ecobee profiles and view the times on there?
undone aspen
Hmmmm
I mean, I could technically skip profiles entirely and use a standard schedule for general temperature (home, chill), and setup holds for everything else, I guess, too.
But.
Those profiles make use of the remote sensors, where general holds do not.
brisk glen
ah
well thats what automations are for
all ecobee does is find the mean of the sensors
undone aspen
If I'm in bed, sleeping, I want the bedroom temperature to be specific, but the bedroom is generally colder than the rest of the house.
brisk glen
if you have follow me, then make a more complex automation for only the active sensor
or active sensors
clear ferry
I actually saw a house with a muuuuurican heating system a while back
It was interesting
brisk glen
then use the sensors changing state as a trigger
re check which to use as the temp calculator
ocean mirage
What is special about their heating systems @clear ferry ?
undone aspen
Heh, hmmm...
clear ferry
One system that has valves for different parts of the house with grates in the floor and stuff
undone aspen
I mean, possibly..... But, those ecobee sensors stay high for a long time, unlike regular motion sensors.,
brisk glen
@undone aspen but thats how ecobee does it????
ocean mirage
Oh are those not popular there atx?
undone aspen
So, in preparation for going to bed, I may put away stuff in the kitchen, triggering the kitchen sensor and living room sensor, coming from my office which that sensor would be triggered, then finally go to bed, and the bedroom is triggered then for the long haul too.
brisk glen
sure there might be a 30 min delay
clear ferry
No, we have traditionally electrical heating per room, and AC in larger areas @ocean mirage
brisk glen
@undone aspen thats why I have a sleep mode that only uses he bedroom sensor
undone aspen
Follow-Me does use all sensors, certainly, but then when all are "not occupied", could then thus trigger "away" mode.
Hence... Profiles. 🙂
Which you can't access profiles in HomeKit access methods.
brisk glen
so do the same in HA?
ocean mirage
Oh you don’t use heat pumps for heating either?
undone aspen
But you can't. I mean, that's what the ecobee integration does through the cloud API, but it's unreliable, as noted.
undone aspen
I might, possibly however, be able to write a python script to use the echobee API, however, to run local scripts that HASS can run to query and/or set specific profiles independantly.
clear ferry
Yes now we do @ocean mirage
undone aspen
Not logic alone, no.
clear ferry
But that is pretty recent, like last 15 years
brisk glen
hass can be triggered on state changes alone
ocean mirage
Ah okay
brisk glen
or time
undone aspen
HASS can.
undone aspen
But, HASS, itself, cannot tell the ecobee to specifically use the bedroom sensor for temperature, to set the temperature based on only that sensor, without the ecobee API.
clear ferry
Apparently there is one town in Norway that made the muurican style heating popular in the 80s, so a lot of houses there have it
brisk glen
@undone aspen manual AC on till you hit the target of said sensor
a bit more complex
but it would work
you would keep turning the system on and off etc
undone aspen
Hmmmmm
My... Logitech Harmony Hub, seems to be able to have control over the Ecobee......
widens an eye.
brisk glen
this is why I use native homekit not via HA and I use dummy switches and scenes
undone aspen
Holy crap, I might be able to use the Harmony Elite Hub to integrate ecobee more reliably into HASS, for more specific features......
brisk glen
rofl
wet pilot
that might also use their api
brisk glen
it does lol
undone aspen
It does.
brisk glen
the only local ecobee api is homekit
undone aspen
But. It may "just work" more reliably than HASS currently does.
brisk glen
homekit is the evil we need for forcing vendors to support local APIs
undone aspen
Hmmm
Does not seem to support profiles, through that, though.
So, I may try my hand at a python minimal approach to simply CLI set profiles.
brisk glen
@undone aspen go native homekit, make a scene to resume schedule and have a ha switch that triggers that scene
brisk glen
since you are missing the scenes from your ecobee app
undone aspen
When HomeKit integrates with ecobee directly through the standard Hub... It creates new scenes specific for ecobee.. right.
brisk glen
or you can add ecobee to your own scenes
undone aspen
but... Hass has no access to those scenes...
brisk glen
it can create them
@undone aspen hass can have access to them
make a switch
homekit automation when the switch turns on to run the scene
undone aspen
Ahhhh, reverse activation.
brisk glen
aye
undone aspen
Hmmmm
scenic radish
How many times has atx 🤢 because of this conversation?
brisk glen
@scenic radish over 9000?
undone aspen
Hmmmmmm
scenic radish
ER-x and the AP are supposed to come today 🎉
brisk glen
nice
undone aspen
Well, hmmmmmm... LOL. That's something to think about.
scenic radish
I can even ceiling mount the AP in a closet on the other side of the wall where the router will be
undone aspen
Hmmm, but.. Then I don't get thermostat control within HASS itself anymore.
brisk glen
a little loss
brisk glen
@scenic radish you keep your wifi AP in a closet?
a badidea
lets just hamper the signal from the get go with walls
scenic radish
nah, it's currently on an entertainment center about 2 feet above the floor. moving it to the closet would make it one wall closer to the living space
brisk glen
but the rest of the place
scenic radish
it's in the corner of the condo
undone aspen
hmmm. For some reason the Logitech Harmony Hub integration only seems to give me one entity.. The remote.living_room_harmony
scenic radish
just gonna give it a shot and compare signal in its current position and on the ceiling
brisk glen
this is why I have 2 APs in this apartment thats only 751 square feet
scenic radish
right now signal is fine on the entertainment center but it would be nice for the AP to be hidden
clear ferry
I have three aps that cover 2800sqft
scenic radish
for the A E S T H E T I C S
clear ferry
Over three floors
brisk glen
@clear ferry and you get a good signal on 5ghz?
undone aspen
I have 2 AP's to cover my house. 🙂
Both ceiling mounted on either end of the house.
clear ferry
I only care about 5gz on two of the floors, and yes
brisk glen
the stronger the signal, the less the devices have to work and save more battery plus they get faster speeds
I like having half a Gbit on wifi for my phone
clear ferry
I have that fine
brisk glen
I need higher ceilings lol
we get it @clear ferry your home is not made out of brick and is sane
undone aspen
Oh great, my ecolink motion sensors are shipped via USPS again. Let's see that they actually deliver to ME this time, and not someone else.
clear ferry
No, we have wooden houses
brisk glen
wood is fantastic for wifi
scenic radish
what, you have brick interior walls michael?
clever mortar
Pretty traditional in the UK
undone aspen
Yeah, no, I can't not have the thermostat/sensors in HASS, because I need those for automations too. LOL
clever mortar
Modern houses aren't built that way, but older ones are
clear ferry
I have a brick fireplace
brisk glen
I have the kitchen, laundry room, bathroom before the bedroom
clear ferry
scenic radish
wut
brisk glen
and like I said.. I like half a Gbit instead of 150 Mbit
undone aspen
My automations that utilize the temperature sensors, includes ceiling fan automations to help circulate and control climate within the house, which is highly effective.
scenic radish
yeah, all drywall interior here
clear ferry
I can get half a gigabit on my phone, but frankly doesn't matter, because all bandwidth intensive stuff is automated in my garage anyway
undone aspen
Mmmmmm, drywall.
clear ferry
Worst case I open YouTube on my phone
brisk glen
4k everywhere is required
scenic radish
8k or nothing
brisk glen
because why not
clear ferry
I only watch 4k in the bedroom or living room, and they are through Roku or Apple TV anyway 
brisk glen
I like having my own wifi channel to myself
clear ferry
Yeah, but you have a plethora of interesting diagnoses 
brisk glen
DFS channel 100 😄
I even have the space to do a 160VHT
but I have nothing that supports it
clear ferry
@scenic radish your package has left the country
clear ferry
Hope it gets there before USPS gets killed by 
scenic radish
lmao
brisk glen
Quite a few optimizations to make Home Assistant go faster. One of the major changes is that Home Assistant will now set up all configured integration instances in parallel during startup. Some startup speed reported improvements from 82 seconds before this change and 28 seconds after this change. That is a huge improvement!
oh my@undone aspen
the new HA is going to make you supper happy
undone aspen
Oh?
scenic radish
meanwhile my startup time has gone from 20 seconds to 20 seconds between 0.109.6 to 0.110.0b0+
clear ferry
@scenic radish sir that is nice
undone aspen
Hmmmm
brisk glen
@scenic radish uses only 1 intergration?
undone aspen
I see... yeah that. Sounds very good!
Parallel integration startup would solve a lot of issues (while possibly creating more issues elsewhere)
brazen fable
I have 15 integrations so far and my startup time is about 10 seconds
scenic radish
nah i'm jk. what was strange though is that i saw a speed improvement of 30 seconds to 20 seconds when moving to the beta... and it stayed like that after downgrading back to 0.109.6... 
undone aspen
Seems a simple curl command could trigger ecobee profiles
brazen fable
People use ecobee profiles?
undone aspen
Yes!
brazen fable
I dislike them lol
undone aspen
I like that different profiles can be used for different sensors.
brazen fable
I just set an auto range that works 99% of the time
undone aspen
But that doesn’t work
undone aspen
My bedroom is 3-4’C lower than the rest of my house. I use CPAP. When the ambient temperatures are to low, i drown.
brazen fable
WDYM drown
undone aspen
I mean literally drown. Humidifier in CPAP, water vapor solidifies and runs straight into my nose.
brazen fable
oof
undone aspen
Drown
brazen fable
how old is your machine
brazen fable
Weird.
undone aspen
Not wierd. This is a common problem.
undone aspen
lol
brazen fable
You could always get a heated hose
green inlet
@scenic radish , you just turned on a light 💡. I have my old rpi3 that ran HAss when I went to a NUC sitting there doing nothing. Guess it is time to look at running 2 instances so I can minimize zwave restarts.
undone aspen
Yeah that... would indeed be cool.
My CPAP does have Bluetooth....
And cellular modem....
brazen fable
What's the model number
undone aspen
Yeah, Scolias, I could but those are added cost and not covered by insurance.
Is a Phillips Dream Station.
clear ferry
I have heated hose and water tank
undone aspen
Support for, yes
clear ferry
All covered for $0 by Norwegian health care
undone aspen
Yeah. I spend $0 on hoses every 3 months currently
scenic radish
@green inlet DOIT
brazen fable
I think $24 is a solid investment so that you don't drown in your sleep 
undone aspen
Now I have an army of CPAP hoses that I can reuse
brazen fable
But that's just my opinion 😔
undone aspen
Yeah. With my SoClean i rarely change hoses and have surplus supplies,
clear ferry
I just clean it once a month with hot water
undone aspen
Like I said though I recently got a fleece hose cover. That’s been a nice sound $10 investment so far! Two nights and no drowning!
clear ferry
I need a new mask though, saw they had one with memory foam now, so going to get them to send me that one
undone aspen
I’d almost given up on the humidity
My suplier keep neglecting to send me the strap for my masks...
Speaking of.,. Need to call them on that again.
brisk glen
something something medical neglect.... something something say something off to the side about that lawyer
undone aspen
But that’s a part of reason the profiles are helpful. Different temperatures in different parts of the house due to various reasons. Bedroom colder than all, office hotter than all.
brisk glen
2 day shipping of the supplies you need?
my bedroom is hotter than all
I blame my wife
undone aspen
Lol
scenic radish
heh
velvet horizonBOT
brazen fable
I've got a bunch of the ecobee sensors because zone hvac
brisk glen
I keep it at 23c here
brazen fable
68-72 is the golden spot.
scenic radish
That's hot!!!!
brazen fable
That's 20-22.2 for the non freedom folk
scenic radish
😉
brazen fable
xD
scenic radish
Oh hello Brian
brisk glen
73.4F is not hot @scenic radish
scenic radish
I was pretending they meant celcius lol
undone aspen
Heh, I usually keep my house at 23.5'C, which makes the bedroom usually around 19-20'C
scenic radish
Once the dew point reaches 60F I'm uncomfortable and I h8 it
last dirge
my house is 76
last dirge
but relative humidity is set to 45%
brisk glen
my humidity is around 60%
last dirge
no kiddin 🙂
brisk glen
err 56% today
scenic radish
A little warmer than I'd prefer but reasonably dry
last dirge
REAL FEEL
scenic radish
I like the air as dry as possible, like dew point of 35 F
last dirge
I can't deal with air that dry
brisk glen
I let eco+ take care of the real feel
scenic radish
I love it
last dirge
my skin goes nuts, and I start having sinus problems
scenic radish
It's so nice and rarely happens
last dirge
our relative humidity here is regularly ridiculously high
last dirge
currently 81%
scenic radish
In the summer the dew point is usually high
undone aspen
heh. Bleh., Ever since I switched to Celsius, I've started hating Fahrenheiht.
scenic radish
Fall and spring not so much
undone aspen
And can't even spell the F one. So F that nonsense. 🙂
scenic radish
It's because the metric system is way better and I wish we used it
brisk glen
lol
undone aspen
heh. I live in Florida, it's always humid here too. 🙂
brisk glen
Florida is humid hell
scenic radish
I forgot winter doesn't mean cold for everyone lol
undone aspen
My HOUSE has 46% humidity inside.
last dirge
we had a week or so in the teens last year
scenic radish
I just assume other states with temperate climates just have summer year round
last dirge
with 70+% humidity
undone aspen
Winter? Florida? No. We have Hell, Hell, Hell, and Spring.
scenic radish
Where I'm at we have winter and construction
undone aspen
heh.. When I move up north to Canada, then I will actually see genuine Winter.
scenic radish
Just wanna give a shout-out to the IRS for funding my new server and networking equipment
clear ferry
My tax money is gone already, but my vacation money is coming in soon
undone aspen
I'm just going to defect to Canada before tax time is up. LOL
Hmmmm..... I hate the idea.. But. possibly... ifttt and ecobee...
brazen fable
I live in Chicago. Let me tell ya, you're wrong
We get both extreme heat and cold. Screw the cold
LOL
undone aspen
I've lived in Maryland before. I know the difference. 🙂
With heat, you can only strip down so much and still be miserable. With cold, you can layer, and control inside climate pretty well, done right, better than you can anything else.
Unlike in Japan where they don't have central heating, and have kotetsu. THAT.... Was indeed, miserable in the cold.
scenic radish
@brazen fable hello neighbor
undone aspen
Darting between rooms, and freezing on the toilet. LOL
brazen fable
o.O
last dirge
no magic toilet seat?
undone aspen
They had warming washlets.
undone aspen
But, of course, that's just your ass. And that takes a few to get warm enough to matter. 🙂
lol
brazen fable
Besides, it doesn't even get cold in florida
scenic radish
"cold" is the absence of heat
undone aspen
2019, my area got to -1 or -2'C 😉
scenic radish
no u
brazen fable
unless i'm going to be outside for an extended period of time anyway
but there's no real reason to go outside in the cold for extended periods of time
burnt grotto
Hi looking for some help
undone aspen
Well, this is the lounge. Where can we direct you to?
clever mortar
burnt grotto
I'm having some trouble understanding how to mount a drive with rancheros
anyone have any idea that they can help me?
clever mortar
Glue...
brazen fable
I prefer nacho cheese but cool rancheros aren't bad
undone aspen
Hmmm.. Perhaps try a RancherOS medium?
burnt grotto
i have install rancheros just fine
undone aspen
@burnt grotto This isn't RancherOS support.
burnt grotto
i need to add the HDD so i can mount the drive
I know i asked in Other and someone said to ask here
undone aspen
...
clever mortar
That'd be me...
undone aspen
This still isn't RancherOS support.
brazen fable
Darn you tinkerer
brazen fable
Yeah google would be your best bet
undone aspen
Yeah, or the RancherOS community. 🙂
clever mortar
Damn... hit #1 links to the RancherOS docs on the subject...
burnt grotto
i have google it but i don't understand it i only bee doing this pass 2 months with Linux
brazen fable
If you're new to linux why do you want to install it on rancherOS
undone aspen
Perhaps you're running before you can crawl?
clever mortar
burnt grotto
its not that i been on the rancheos web and show me how
I'm asking how to lay it out in the cloud configs
but all good my bad everyone
clever mortar
Ask on their forum?
undone aspen
There's also a Slack for Rancher: https://slack.rancher.io/
burnt grotto
@Peace
clever mortar
Going to the actual community in question always will be a better choice...
undone aspen
Hmm. I guess.. it's time... To go to UPS to drop off my returns.
scenic radish
I just realized something. We're just a reverse proxy to direct people to the right channel
question hassio {
proxy_pass supervised
}
question supervised {
proxy_pass supervised
}
heh
burnt grotto
sorry guys wont happen again
don't pin this on @clever mortar
Its my fault i came to the wrong Discord
I was hoping someone could help me as i kind of got it its just that i don't understand how to that all
but please don't pin this on Tinkerer
brazen fable
Lol it's no big deal my dude.
undone aspen
LOL
clever mortar
eh, baptism of fire...
brazen fable
I'll just give tinkerer his lashing and it's all settled
undone aspen
Michael, not just Rancher, RancherOS!
brisk glen
So abode updated my system with new HomeKit fw.....
clever mortar
While folks here know a lot, if you're after specific knowledge for a thing that has a community ... always better to ask in that community @burnt grotto 😉
burnt grotto
Linux is not hard @brisk glen
i have rancher setup I'm just missing the mount drive man
brisk glen
They moved on to kube deployments
hearty depot
lol - not the worst idea
https://forum.gitlab.com/t/answer-a-topic-win-a-custom-badge/36871
brisk glen
Clearly Linux is hard when you are just missing a drive that you need to simply mount
brazen fable
have you tried the standard linux mount command
burnt grotto
yea i have
brazen fable
burnt grotto
then i guess clealy I'm far to dumb