but yea its crazy how much more they charge to remove teh ads
#the-water-cooler
clear ferry
Consumer, sheeple, gullible, take your pick 
Nobody on this side of the pond would accept something like that, and probably it would be illegal by law
scenic radish
cool
ivory jewel
Does anyone here have a mitsubishi hvac controller?
shy comet
@clear ferry in america the stock market is more important than people π
scenic radish
ugh
clear ferry
I've seen that ;-)
shy comet
Tesla proved that too
it looks like they forced the town to let them open after all that
scenic radish
Elongated Muskrat
clear ferry
The guy has atleast a dozen diagnoses, I'm guessing you could get him to do anything if you put it right
last plaza
It is a free country. We are free to not care about people.
Ever since atx became mod, the emoji reaction count has gone up for each message. If only we can cure cancer with the emojis π
shy comet
lol
fathom sparrow
don't forget about @scenic radish s emoji contributions
shy comet
lol
last plaza
π
scenic radish
β€οΈ
last plaza
Just completed my push mower oil change/service done. I need one more for my tractor, I am good with all the vehicles for this year.
wild grove
what integration did you use?
scenic radish
ha
last plaza
Elbow grease integration along with visual and audio alerts.
shy comet
lol
steel urchin
oof, clouds are making my motion go wild
shy comet
are you able to zone crossing?
last plaza
I have the option of field crossing, but I rarely use it. I mostly rely on tensorflow.
wild grove
tfftw
clever mortar
Yeah, I use TF through Doods on all motion detection. Makes a massive difference.
shy comet
i use TF along with zone crossing
i use zone crossing to make sure teh subject is in an area that tensorflow works best
i noticed sometimes if the motion alert was too fast in certain spots it wont work
last plaza
Is Doods a camera?
wild grove
integration that uses tf
clever mortar
Doods is a TF integration
last plaza
DOODS - Dedicated Outside Object Detection Service π
wild grove
tf integration called doods
clever mortar
Runs on a remote host, rather than embedded in HA
last plaza
Whoever came up with that name π€£
last plaza
https://github.com/letsgetrandy/DICSS this is my all time favorite!
eager current
Does anyone have a link to home assistant terminology? I've been trying to find the basic definitions for words used in automations and whatnot.
I'm trying to figure out if a lot of the terms aren't specific to home assistant and rather to smart devices as I'm not able to find the basic definitions on homeassistant documentation
scenic radish
lmao that readme
clear ferry
@last plaza STONITH
scenic radish
skala loves DICSS
eager current
@last dirge sensors or entities etc. I'm not looking for you guys to have to explain everyone. If someone knew a website that I could get up to speed that would be awesome!
last dirge
other than the docs?
eager current
I'm not having luck finding those basic definitions explained. If you say they're in there I'll give it another look tho!
last dirge
velvet horizonBOT
eager current
@clever mortar obviously this is exactly what I'm looking for! Thanks all!
last plaza
skala loves DICSS
@scenic radish I love you! π
last plaza
π€£
amber bramble
wait we have a glossary?
scenic radish
shy comet
totally forgot about that lol
scenic radish
would you say you... glossed over it?
shy comet
lol
fathom sparrow
honestly, it's not in a good place on the docs page
clear ferry
You guys
shy comet
wow it mentions hassio lol
clever mortar
Yeah, just submitted a PR to update it a little
scenic radish
oof
clever mortar
I'm sure other parts of the docs will for another year or three
last plaza
honestly, it's not in a good place on the docs page
@fathom sparrow what are you waiting for? π
light trout
there is a PR open to change that
fathom sparrow
@last plaza haha, I didn't say I had a better solution
clear ferry
Need to submit pr #2 you say
scenic radish
Approved!
closes without approving
fathom sparrow
this chat is all green now... what have we done
clever mortar
Poor @shy comet
shy comet
π
clear ferry
Every day we stray further from Dog
shy comet
here some blue for you π
amber bramble
team purple represent
clear ferry
shy comet
yea winks gone full cloud mode on us
meaning free cloud now has a charge
pay up or bye bye wink pretty much
clever mortar
Yes
patent bloom
Smarthings, Wink, Iris, they all eventually either have to make money outside the hardware or they go under as a liability.
scenic radish
Well Samsung is loving it now
last plaza
Somebody winked at wink and wink decided to wink back at its users. So, users winked at wink, and we created a channel to win k at wink.
scenic radish
Wink: not free anymore, money pls
Samsung: it's free real estate
clever mortar
Yeah, $5/month or you have a brick
shy comet
i still cant beleive they thought it was a good idea to give people a 1 week heads up lol
they extended it by a week but still lol
amber bramble
even 2 weeks is not nearly enough headsup
nocturne aspen
Because modern companies don't sell product, they sell "way of life"
Way of Wink for a fiver per month
fathom sparrow
popular theory is that they are on the verge of bankruptcy
clever mortar
Given how long they've been in doubt... I'm actually shocked they've not gone bankrupt sooner
fathom sparrow
wondering if this whole virus bs has caused their sales to drop and this is a hail mary
hoping that ~15% of their users stay on so that can turn a profit
clever mortar
And now MyQ are pulling out of the relationship with Wink
shy comet
lol myq is just as bad arent they?
hearty depot
We ll see that soon π€£
zealous rune
Where would I post a "what the hell do these log errors mean?" Getting some weird behaviour but I haven't a clue where to start. Support: #general-archived?
No state histories and a lot of log errors. Maybe an SD card going bad?
last dirge
BALEETED
zealous rune
Which DB?
scenic radish
DISK IMAGE IS M A L F O R M E D
scenic radish
home-assistant_v2.db
last dirge
π
shy comet
yea that one v2
scenic radish
There can be multiple dbs in /config
shy comet
whatever happened to v1 though
scenic radish
Zigbee for one
last dirge
@shy comet it didnt't have a version number
zealous rune
OK, I only had two and I assume ou weren't talking about the zigbee.db π
last dirge
v2 showed up when the db format migrated
scenic radish
M A L F O R M E D
shy comet
ah ok that make sense
last dirge
during that time period we'd get DOZENS of people a day in here saying "hurrr my server is taking forever to restart"
shy comet
oh yea for the migration lol
last dirge
even though there was a gigantic notice at the top of the release notes saying "this will do DB migration when it first starts"
last dirge
U N N O T I C E D
scenic radish
D O Z E N S
shy comet
i wonder what percentage of users actually read the release notes lol
scenic radish
What a weird word
last dirge
M U L T I P L E S
scenic radish
D I Z Z L E S
last dirge
some people are like "ooh, new release, let's update"
scenic radish
B R O K E N
last dirge
and I'm like "I'm 50 versions behind, I'm scared to update"
scenic radish
C O W A R D
last dirge
S T A B I L I T Y
shy comet
lol
last dirge
also A P A T H Y
last dirge
hey, it still worked great
then I updated and someone moved my cheese
several times
last dirge
okay
zealous rune
zealous rune
So, SD card is toast?
last dirge
dunno
are you sure hass is dead before you restart it?
or are you unplugging and plugging your pi in?
zealous rune
No, just restarting from server control
zealous rune
Ah, but that doesnt do it right?
zealous rune
K, BRB
last dirge
how are you installed?
last dirge
try nuking the database without the server running
however that works in the supervised world
clever mortar
And if that doesn't cut it, #330944238910963714
scenic radish
Mini PC
last dirge
if I were in a zoo this would be on the placard outside my exhibit
so, how's the performance now?
less F R A G I L I T Y?
scenic radish
Lol, it actually just arrived
zealous rune
That did it! Up and running again. So, what's the issue with the db?
clever mortar
Something something something #330944238910963714
There's a few possibilities, including restoring a snapshot
zealous rune
OK, understood
tropic hedge
can anyone recommend a water leak detector for HA?
velvet horizonBOT
tropic hedge
US/no preference/no preference/no preference
undone aspen
I'm trying to figure out if I can somehow use my Logitech Harmony Elite w/HUB, which is already integrated into my HASS server, to use in node red automations...
clever mortar
Then off to #hardware-archived with you @tropic hedge π
nocturne aspen
wondering if this whole virus bs has caused their sales to drop and this is a hail mary
@fathom sparrow you think so? people are locked in homes and tinker all the day long
wintry crow
@slim vortex You seen Paul Hibbert reach out to you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OGCvXrm18A
light trout
Don't mock IFTTT, if it had not been for that service, it's a good chance I would not have found Home Assistant
undone aspen
Eh. IFTTT is... So meh, though, so it's very mockable.
light trout
sure, and that's why I was looking for alternatives π
undone aspen
I jsut wish wyze would stop using that trash.
hushed basalt
I left tuya on a smart socker I was using exclusively to monitor power draw
I didn't want to play guess the GPIOs plus calibrate the meter
wintry crow
IFTTT is an acronym for "Press button, wait long LONG time, have a coffee, shave, and take a light nap before anything happens"
hushed basalt
Queue based automation :D
wintry crow
I see the Dr had already responded to Paul, should be an entertaining video. "2 baldy geeks do automatey bollocks"
tulip dome
In what subgroup should I post a question about light switches that stopped working?
clever mortar
tulip dome
Thanks
tough igloo
@wintry crow that man said bad things about home assistant π€£ not a bad video but I try to stay far away from the cloud.
As an Aussie though the Brilliant range is pretty good and very easy to tuya convert
We finally have a lot of stuff that is certified
wintry crow
Hahah he's right tho, ha does have a learning curve - it's not like a Windows pointy clicky thingy
tough igloo
Yeah thatβs true. Thatβs what makes it fun sometimes though!
wintry crow
Yup, hobbies are boring if they dont have an element of challenge tbh
rain swift
no, I want everything to just work, so I can spend more time doing things than figuring out why things don't work. π
slim vortex
Yep @wintry crow we've been chatting. Marvel crossover coming soon!
ivory jewel
I bought 168 tuya devices and am in the process of tuya-converting them, so far so good
green inlet
@forest edge , knowledge is power.
Pro tip - after putting the string graphite in the packing nut, if you tighten the packing nut until it is wrench tight, you will ALWAYS, let me repeat that, ALWAYS, have a leaking faucet.
hushed basalt
@tough igloo what firmware are you loading on them
tough igloo
Esphome works pretty well imo
ivory jewel
@tough igloo any advantage to esphome over tasmota?
hushed basalt
I find esphome horrible for anything rgb
It treats the white emitter as a seperate light
Plus all their stuff turns off at under 6%
forest edge
this staying up all night and sleeping through the day is for the birds lol
rain swift
lights are WLED, esphome is custom stuff, tamota is off the shelf stuff.
fathom sparrow
Pebcac?
hushed basalt
PEBKAC ;)
Between computer and chair gives them wriggle room to blame the keyboard
forest edge
lol my discord member list only shows green names.. like i walked into a cult or something
ocean mirage
atx told me he started a workers revolution
hushed basalt
Don't drink the Kool-aid
scenic radish
alright, i've officially moved off the raspberry pi 3 to the new server
pretty noticeable speed boost, nothing groundbreaking but definitely worth it
migrating was mostly painless
ocean mirage
Nice
hushed basalt
What server did you use
storm summit
pandemic
brisk glen
@scenic radish holy crap that looks amazing
brisk glen
looks like an amazing low power plex / ha server
scenic radish
it's a nice upgrade from the 3B+ for sure
hushed basalt
Very nice
scenic radish
reboots are quick and reloading automations, scripts, etc. and running the config check are noticeably faster
hushed basalt
Much better than any rpi
brisk glen
throw ubuntu on it with live updates and I can forget about it
scenic radish
yup, running core on docker
brisk glen
scenic radish
yeah i'm very happy with it. screamin deal tbh
brisk glen
same pc?
scenic radish
ah there it is
yeah
i'm running it on an SSD and using the eMMC as part of my local backup solution lol
and rclone on a cronjob to back up to google drive
brisk glen
dam that thing runs super low power
ebon meteor
Anyone have a recommendation for a power monitoring outlet. Zwave or WiFi. Doesn't matter to me. Would prefer cheap and reliable to bells and whistles.
brisk glen
The ones I know are homekit and... bluetooth π¦
ebon meteor
Homekit wouldn't be terrible. But it's probably pricey....
brisk glen
39.95...
scenic radish
@brisk glen Yeah it does. Dat 14nm process
hushed basalt
Buy 8 of them and run your own k8s cluster
scenic radish
Lol
ebon meteor
I thought there were options from Eufy, Shelly, and maybe a few other things that can be flashed with Tasmota?
brisk glen
money is being redirected into ip cameras
ebon meteor
I really just want it to trigger nightime automation when I plug my phone in. MQTT is fine.
sacred jackal
some of the tp-link kasa plugs will do power monitoring, they work off of wifi
ebon meteor
iPhone.
hushed basalt
Speaking of assistants
Why the hell can't my tv turn off the screen from google
But I can do it from the voice command on the remote
brisk glen
why has google not canceled their assistant yet like google music? π
sacred jackal
@hushed basalt do you have a chromecast plugged into it and HDMI-CEC?
hushed basalt
On remote: turn off screen
Turning screen off
On google: ask LG to turn off screen
LG: turning up brightness
I want to turn the screen off but leave the tv running
For spotify etc
rare condor
Nice spoke to my water company I can have a 12v pulse output added to my Honeywell water meter for $40, thinking 3 automations, over 500Litres a day triggers an alarm for excessive usage (water leak), display water usage in lovelace and turn off the lights in the bathroom when longer than 4 minute shower occurs. Might install 12v Alarm too so long shower are unpleasent
loud tide
Where do I discuss rules?
peak cloud
I am not sure what there is to discuss about the rules, but here would be acceptable, I'd imagine.
peak cloud
hushed basalt
Is there somewhere we can just lounge around and talk crap
brisk glen
sooooo..... I ordered a unifi g3 micro to replace the homekit POS.... I just watched a drug deal go down live via the camera and the homekit camera failed to record
sacred jackal
maybe it was just hand sanatizer
clear ferry
I'm glad to see that natural selection is working as intended
@brisk glen sounds like you should move, a long time ago
hushed basalt
Unfortunately people who help it spread can often be the ones most likely to survive infection
brisk glen
@clear ferry this is recent shit
clear ferry
Yes, you aren't adding to the pros
fading zodiac
Goodmorning π
clear ferry
ocean mirage
clever mortar
It is morning. I'll debate Good
ocean mirage
I didn't know he got a sequel
clear ferry
π€£
hushed basalt
The artist formerly known as ded
fading zodiac
dead?
clear ferry
clear ferry
HAHA, saw this in #hardware-archived and I lolled irl
brb, I just have to sneak past this door sensor to get into the room
clever mortar
I promise I didn't fall over laughing
clear ferry
Damn Danny, you are to fat to fit past this door sensor, have to disassemble it, hang on
Or just get down on your knees and crawl
clever mortar
A door for mice... I like it
hushed basalt
Marketer didn't understand that when you use miniatures to demo a product you have to scale down the product
Godzilla was supposed to be a movie about a pet lizard
clever mortar
π
clear ferry
You like my tissue monkey?
fading zodiac
wat
clear ferry
I bought it from aliexpress
just because
π€£
I was supposed to have it hanging in the car to have tissues to wipe my daughter
but it hasn't made it there yet
orchid rose
but whyyyy
clear ferry
R U PURPR NAO FINLAND
orchid rose
Somehow
clear ferry
fading zodiac
it is disturbing.
clear ferry
My favorite kind of -ing
orchid rose
All the years of listening to what we call "Norwegian church burning metal" have twisted your mind
strange vapor
Playing with https://diagrams.mingrammer.com/
Really nice for quick and simple diagrams which are a lot better than what I'd manage with point and click interfaces π
fringe orbit
Hey guys, what is the best route to go to get an integration developed? I am using a python script to control my radiators using MQTT in HA but would love to have it as an integration so it's doesn't have to run on a separate device. I'm not a coder so I'd like some help to get things moving
clear ferry
clear ferry
I've touched it a few times in the past
fading zodiac
To start and stop VM's for example
clear ferry
don't know what you have been doing, I just entered synology dsm api vm into google
π€£
fading zodiac
I did without the DSM
Stupid document
GET /webapi/entry.cgi?_sid=LJIqUIm26nz4g1510RS1801599&api=SYNO.Virtualization.API.Guest.Action
&method=poweron&version=1&guest_name=syno
Nice
Not nice is that it uses auth
Thanks ATX
clear ferry
OnePlus8Proβs Color Filter Camera can see through some plastic - https://v.redd.it/gbsjdfwsimy41
clever mortar
Damn π
clear ferry
That is really interesting
low harness
So software IR filter. That's cool.
I had a logitech webcam (you know the ball thing everyone had) that I removed the IR filter from. Could look right through half of my cellphone.
clear ferry
orchid rose
I wonder if that can also see temperature to some extent? I saw some years back a video where you could see the pin code someone had just input
low harness
This one
orchid rose
I removed IR filters from some cameras as well to do some IR headtracking, but never thought about trying it
I did however learn then that the floppy disk film is transparent to IR but blocks all visible light. That was kinda interesting
low harness
The plastic is made to let IR from the remote through. That's at about 900 nm wavelength. That's very close to visible light, hence the need for a filter on cameras.
Meanwhile, the black body radiation from an object at 25 degrees C lies in the range 10 um. Far outside the range of any cheap camera.
orchid rose
But I think what the phone filter there does is, it uses the depth sensor which works in IR. Would it be possible for it to have a wide enough window to catch temperature radiation too?
low harness
I doubt it. We're talking four orders of magnitude difference in wave length. There are obviously sensors that can pick that up, but they are in a completely different price range and not something you throw into a phone just because you can. As a main feature - sure, see the various FLIR phones for example - but not to do something something else does better anyway.
orchid rose
Alright
low harness
IIRC fully exposed camera film makes a great IR filter, btw. Speaking of things noone remembers.
orchid rose
Yeah I think that was one of the options for these mods that turned webcams to IR cams. The other was the floppy disk film.
tepid arrow
The email was wink throwing shade at Chamberlain, it wasn't an email about the new pricing. I added it here because I wasn't looking for advice, but rather to poke fun at how ridiculous they are for sending a message like that in light of recent news
forest edge
I find it weird my camera will detect an insect like 6 ft away but won't detect a squirrel
last plaza
If the squirrel blends in, the pixel difference might not be much compared to an insect with contrast. Unless you use PIR, it is ever going to be accurate.
scenic radish
Except spiders. Spiders are cool because they eat the other bugs
last plaza
Spiders on camera is not fun. They make webs and thatβs the most annoying thing. My NAS goes crazy saving footage with spiders crawling and making webs. Cameras lose focus as well.
ocean mirage
spiders are bigger than squirrels though so it picks them up too
last plaza
On a side note, if you use bug zappers, be aware. Only 4% of all bugs is biting mosquitos. If you have bug zapper, you are killing more good bugs than the bad insects like mosquitos.
forest edge
don't get me started on pir's, mine is currently detecting the dust blow across the surface of the moon
last plaza
lol
forest edge
quad farted in California and my pir detected the temp change
last plaza
That would cause global warming.
Also turns out cow farts are more dangerous than originally thought
forest edge
I read something about that
last plaza
No more loud speeches! π€£π€£π€£
forest edge
so now when you tell someone to shut the fuck up your doing it for the health of the community lol
last plaza
Whispering brings people closer, violates social distancing practice. Being loud causes virus to stay longer! Wtf???
ocean arrow
yelling generates more heat. Heat creates the virus, virus stays out in the air longer....
SCIENCE! /s
low harness
Sign language. But don't wave too hard, or you will fan corona infected air at people.
ocean arrow
orchid rose
Just adopt the nordic culture and don't talk to anyone.
forest edge
yup now most interactions will be done online and when you meet and want to date a girl you'll have to provide covid papers to the father and will have to be tested at dinner and the movies and even the overlook parking which will have a curfew of 9pm
clear ferry
@orchid rose we nod to people atleast
orchid rose
Sounds scary to me
ocean mirage
why are there not more zigbee water/irrigation timers
fading zodiac
Tag the mods.
quickly
But
i can make it easy for ya.
Btw, wasnt ikea making that?
green inlet
Is this a philosophical question to ponder throughout the day ?
green inlet
If a tree falls in the woods?
green inlet
It is my dj rap star name
ocean mirage
That product doesn't seem to be here yet but it might do the job
ocean mirage
I am not but thanks
fading zodiac
Also:
What you can try
If you have a pump, add a osram outside socket
and make that turn on the pump
hence water.
green inlet
Or go big and use z-wave.....cause z-wave
ocean mirage
I don't currently have a way to do zwave but if it comes down to it I guess Ill have to
but ill wait and see in a bit
ocean mirage
I am not really following but ill cross that bridge when I come to it
forest edge
noooo i can't override the rest 30 second poll rate!
last plaza
I stole it.
@fading zodiac Iβll take cash or checks π
I kept the documentation up to date. Let me know if you run into any issues.
modest smelt
@cloud dock could you give an example of a fast arm machine competing on the same pricepoint as x86?
cloud dock
@modest smelt rockpro64, rk3399 chip with a 4x pcie slot and 4gig ram for ~$70.
It is my home router, with a 10 gig dual port card, two usb3 SSDs, and a 14TB storage array.
modest smelt
And you feel support is inadequate for the rockpro64?
cloud dock
No, support is terrific, aarch64 support is inadequate in HA.
modest smelt
That's what I said?
brisk glen
aarch64 support is inadequate in arm in general in all distros.....
in the packages themselves
some one needs to go in and fix the issues
cloud dock
π Not quite
brisk glen
random shit like openssl was slower
cloud dock
OpenSSL, like many other packages, was optimized for years for a single architecture.
You give someone a ten year head start on you, yeah they are going to be a little bit ahead.
brisk glen
as in the 32 bit version ran way faster
modest smelt
What gen PCIe is on that thing
brisk glen
issue like that that are not HA's fault
clear ferry
Frankly, nobody cares about arm support, power is inexpensive and we want to run more services on each host, except in rare special cases
brisk glen
package authors it relies on simply need to fix their stuff
64bit arm has had issues for years
junior forge
yep
The Raspberry Pi foundation is a great example of that, shipping arm64 boards, but not the support for it
modest smelt
Can't for the life of me find which gen PCIe this rockpro64 is
cloud dock
HA not building a virtualized arm image is not a package authors fault.
brisk glen
there is a dockerized ha image?
cloud dock
@modest smelt It's technically gen 2, but it runs by default at gen 1 because not every board/chip can maintain gen 2.
forest edge
well to be fair they do class them as dev boards
junior forge
Why would we ship virtualized arm images?
modest smelt
So you have a "Dual 10 Gbit" card on an interface that runs at max 16 Gbps?
Sorry, 8 Gbps
brisk glen
why would you run a vm on an arm device yet?
cloud dock
One interface is the WAN interface, which I don't need ten gig for.
And I have my board running at gen 2 without issue.
brisk glen
that overhead just kills the power performance
cloud dock
Docker is a miserable virtualization agent.
And linux containers don't have much overhead.
brisk glen
take the current ha container and add on your own packages?
cloud dock
That's what I've been doing for over a year now. @junior forge
But now the wonderful blog post recently has shown that won't be maintable.
junior forge
Anything custom is always your own responsibility
the blog post is not about forbidding something
the project is open source
take what you want and dunno... print it, decorate the walls
brisk glen
https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/doods/ <<-- this just killed my need for custom containers
light trout
HA Core code wallpaper π€
sounds cool π
junior forge
@light trout it is! π
clever mortar
brisk glen
being able to run tensorflow on a remote pc with a hell of a lot more power with HA for notifications just hit one of my dreams
forest edge
my dream is still rpi4 usb boot but you know..
at least the officially released net boot sarcastic ya!
junior forge
HA will take a different approach on that though
so we don't have to rely to much on that
offloading data to USB
so reading from SD for the OS and stuff
brisk glen
good enouth
junior forge
and storing data on the USB
forest edge
that be awesome
brisk glen
dam, I can use unifi protect to trigger Doods so I only scan when there is motion
clever mortar
That's my use case for Doods
I've even built some crazy ass logic to separately report on "interesting" vs "other"
forest edge
Frenck it will still be optional to have it all on usb drive when the century comes they release it?
clever mortar
I'm sure everybody will be forced to buy USB drives or lose all their data... π
forest edge
wasn't sure how the offload of the meat was going to be handled and if it was simple as repointing the data path or what
just the os on sdcard will certianly prolong it's life but the sdcard will always remain the weak link
can't believe they gave the rpi3 eemc support through the sdcard but not the rpi4, it's like they hate the rpi4 or something lol
cloud dock
Different chip with different capabilities, lose emmc on the sdcard interface, gain PCIe
Though I won't ever touch RPi with my data, due to the firmware.
brisk glen
my pi serves as a rstp to homekit converter now
scenic radish
I don't know what I'm gonna do with my 3B+ now. Maybe make it a print server in hopes it makes my wireless printer more reliable
forest edge
overkill but sure
scenic radish
Very
forest edge
I have an old rpi1 B as a print server lol
hushed basalt
Room-assistant nodes?
scenic radish
Figure it's better to use it for something instead of letting it collect dust
forest edge
Kodi
scenic radish
Yeah room assistant came to mind too but not sure I want to get into that
NERF BASTION
brisk glen
I ran out of switch ports to use my other pis...
forest edge
there is actually alot you can do with an rpi3+
brisk glen
need a 16 port switch
hushed basalt
Use the gpios and make it an expensive esp8266
hushed basalt
You can clone my repo when I finish it. And buy a barcode scanner
brisk glen
that pi3 is about to hit the shelf
hushed basalt
And have a headless grocy scanner
brisk glen
@cloud dock im getting the new 16 port unifi flex when it comes out of EA
rip homebridge
hushed basalt
Power consumption and noise are serious considerations for any gear
brisk glen
and intergration
hushed basalt
Power costs $2.5/year/watt
cloud dock
I got a 2960s, it's their "power efficient" switch.
Eats more power at idle than my rockpro does at full load.
hushed basalt
So that 100w load costs me $250/year
forest edge
wut
cloud dock
@hushed basalt Ever track the power difference of a wireless access point at idle vs transmitting on all radios?
brisk glen
hushed basalt
No I haven't
brisk glen
$200 gets me something that has poe and 16 ports
hushed basalt
All I know is my rack pulls about 100w
brisk glen
ah right, its the UniFi Switch Lite 16 PoE now
forest edge
maybe you should invest more in solar or something @hushed basalt
cloud dock
I see a 20-30 watt burst whenever my wife and kids get home.
hushed basalt
Don't tell atx you're using unifi switches
brisk glen
buhahaha
hushed basalt
Lol invest in solar
cloud dock
Also, remember that all of that power is going mostly to heat, which means your A/C has to handle the extra load.
forest edge
there are guides online that tell you how to convert one of those old bicycle exercise things into a generator, may help ya offset your power bill lol
hushed basalt
With our leaky houses it's not so much
The heat just blows out haha. Especially when you want it in
brisk glen
thats why I only buy modern gear to keep the power and heat generation down
cloud dock
I live in a place where the A/C runs about twice as long as the heat does.
hushed basalt
Plus calculating extra AC loads from gear is pretty much impossible at the home scale
forest edge
well not all modren stuff does that lol
hushed basalt
Thermal mass of the building, day/night cycles, insulation, air permeability, heat stack
It's one thing for a data centre or tv studio etc.
cloud dock
Modern gear π , the threadripper gen 2 can cook food.
brisk glen
saves me about $4 per month
forest edge
lol chicken nuggets
brisk glen
reaching the investment put into it tho... 2 years?
hushed basalt
@scenic radish you should put a power meter on your toy box
brisk glen
I have 5 temperature sensors in this small apartment
cloud dock
I've got a zwave power meter.
hushed basalt
Say for example if I have a choice between two functionally equivalent network switches
forest edge
that be a bad idea @hushed basalt it's a no name "mini pc" probably consumes more power than a baseball stadium
brisk glen
oh how I want a power meeter that I can monitor
cloud dock
hushed basalt
One idles at 50w and costs $100 and one idles at 10w and costs $250.
At $100/year cost difference it doesn't take long
brisk glen
my desktop is surprisingly efficient
cloud dock
It's scary how much power a xbox and ps4 eat while sleeping.
brisk glen
8 W while using
hushed basalt
@forest edge it probably has resistive heater elements in it to add "weight"
brisk glen
thats the monitor and everything
clear ferry
I use 2-3kwh per hour while I sleep
hushed basalt
What pc?
brisk glen
mac mini
forest edge
@clear ferry all from one of those under cover fan blower you see on infomercials?
hushed basalt
Is that heatpumps atx greentext
brisk glen
the shiny black one with modern internals
clear ferry
We have two @hushed basalt
hushed basalt
Air source?
clear ferry
Air to air yes
forest edge
apple π€’
brisk glen
@forest edge apple has power efficiency down
forest edge
stop feeding the devil
hushed basalt
I thought ground source would be viable up there
clear ferry
It is, for big farms
hushed basalt
Air source is a no brainer here
hushed basalt
Probably $150k here
clear ferry
But no cooling in that
tidal bronze
It's scary how much power a xbox and ps4 eat while sleeping.
@cloud dock π€
forest edge
you talking radiant heating or geothermal?
clear ferry
Geothermal
forest edge
15k just for heat? I would do geothermal power as well lol
hushed basalt
Yeah no way that would cost $15k here
clear ferry
Subsidized by the state of course
hushed basalt
Dirty socialism raising living standards for the working class
clear ferry
forest edge
@tidal bronze saw on the news you all have a goat infestation
tidal bronze
@forest edge thats the best heat thingee in the world
hushed basalt
I can't even get a subsidy to install insulation
tidal bronze
Best windows in the world right?
hushed basalt
All our subsidies goes to mining companies
forest edge
thats sweden not norway
forest edge
ssweden makes all the cool windows
clear ferry
We have triple or quad layer windows now I think 
tidal bronze
But I thought all the best shit is in Norway....or at least according to some.
forest edge
bet quad pane is heavy as hell lol
hushed basalt
We have... Windows. Technically
clear ferry
See through plastic @hushed basalt ?
hushed basalt
They are glass inside a frame. Sometimes that frame is even squared
cloud dock
What's the refraction on those quad pane windows?
hushed basalt
Sometimes they put more than 90% coverage in the butyl
forest edge
your au, nothing is suppose to be fancy or nice.. everyone else in the world think you all sleep in the outback under a tree eating snakes
cloud dock
Fighting with the snake so the snake doesn't eat you.
tidal bronze
@forest edge π?
scenic radish
@hushed basalt toy box? :(
hushed basalt
Bog standard window in 99.99% of homes built in the last 50 years
clear ferry
The refraction on the Audi A8 with bullet proof windows is.... Interesting
forest edge
you hadn't seen the 100's of goats traversing the neighborhoods yet @tidal bronze ? should look it up lol
hushed basalt
There's been a sickening trend the past couple of decades of floor to ceiling windows as well
tidal bronze
@forest edge no idea
cloud dock
I wish I made enough to warrant ever sitting in an A8 with bullet proof windows.
forest edge
@tidal bronze https://youtu.be/UBOuMqG0UuA
clear ferry
@cloud dock you never will if you just complain about a subpar Architecture 
forest edge
yea but should have still been on the news for ya
tidal bronze
Don't watch news been crazy busy man
tidal bronze
@cloud dock don't know about bullet proof but ride to homedepot in a A8L π
clear ferry
I miss my A8L as well as glad I'm rid of it
tidal bronze
What year?
cloud dock
I will gladly sit here and rage against the docker cloud.
clear ferry
@tidal bronze 2001
clear ferry
That was the OG one, didn't like the design after 2003
forest edge
I remember sitting in a "car" once when I was young, don't think my back could handle it these days
brisk glen
@cloud dock sorry, the docker cloud was my fault
I got too happy when I could streamline things
when the devs would do the work for me
the day I became more lazy
tidal bronze
@last dirge those are nice.
forest edge
windows generate too much heat even with multiple panes imo
tidal bronze
So you prefer the bunker ?
forest edge
actually, underground bunker would be nice lol
clear ferry
Actually used less than 80kwh yesterday
cloud dock
@brisk glen I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and simply say that's the attitude that caused the Java catastrophe.
tidal bronze
@forest edge thats what you recommend to everyone
forest edge
we have a few caves that house retail store sin them here and there is 0 heating/cooling
brisk glen
java is love, java is life... java is minecraft
last dirge
I used 18
forest edge
java is a pain in the ass
tidal bronze
I don't want to know the typical shopper there
clever mortar
scenic radish
why are you giving yourself caffeine enemas @forest edge
cloud dock
I love how everyone forgets Minecraft was made to make fun of Java.
forest edge
I don't want to know the typical shopper there
@tidal bronze it was the only place I could still buy waterbed parts for the longest time, was awesome
clear ferry
We made fun of Java long before Minecraft
junior forge
@cloud dock They are still laughing though π
clear ferry
No problem
cloud dock
@junior forge Comedians make bank.
tidal bronze
@forest edge this is why you sleep less. π
forest edge
well lately i sleep less cause my video doorbell has been a pita
tidal bronze
Why what's wrong ?
low harness
Does George really say javajava in the original? I've only seen the Swedish dub, but I assumed it was coffeecoffeecoffee
clear ferry
Dubs π€’
low harness
Yeah I know, but I was, like what? seven? What year was this?
scenic radish
clever mortar
Feckin kids - get off my lawn
clever mortar
π
low harness
First time I say that. I feel dirty
clear ferry
I haven't watched a dub ever I think , we had pirate satellite from I was born
clever mortar
And you were wrong too - I'm actually too young to be a boomer (and in the wrong country) π
clear ferry
So I grew up with UK TV mostly
low harness
I assumed I was.
forest edge
it was made in china is what's wrong, half the "enable" configurations is spelled "eable" and if you are looking for some simple config option like "sensitivity" you have to think like they do and somehow know that "toch" is somehow english for "sensitivity" @tidal bronze
tidal bronze
What door bell is this?
tidal bronze
Hmmm. So motion triggers?
forest edge
it has motion and pir
i had to disconnect the ir lights cause they were starting to melt through the plastic lol
tidal bronze
Oh perfect design then
low harness
But seriously? "Java" or "Coffee"?
scenic radish
yes
low harness
... should have googled in the first place... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQfzrBcjoBs
scenic radish
yes
clever mortar
Java is what coffee wants to be when it grows up π
tidal bronze
@forest edge so thats keeping you up ?
forest edge
easier to work on this stuff while the woman sleeps cause I don't get pestered as much since she's still working from home from the covid crap lol
had her go out and ring the doorbell yesterday a few times and you could feel the rolling of the eyes without even seeing it lol
last dirge
I β€οΈ java
clear ferry
@forest edge women? I thought you only had cows
forest edge
@clear ferry this coming from someone who blew the rear end out of a stuffed monkey? go on show the class your "tissue" holder again lol
@tidal bronze you know much about pir's?
clear ferry
I bought it like that
tidal bronze
@forest edge lil
forest edge
been trying to understand this camera's pir settings since I think some of it is hidden behind presets. They do a 1-6 settings where as 1 is the close and 6 is far but it has a duty cycle setting as well, I assumed the lower the power through the duty cycle settings lowered the pir's range? is that how it works?
my first pir i messed with and tried googling information but can't seem to find anything that makes it clear
tidal bronze
It's not a variable power adjustment, most likely adjusting/ignoring detection
forest edge
well i tried all kinds of settings and right now I have it on setting 1 with a 20 duty cycle and it can go an hour without a false detection but anything higher it starts detecting non stop lol
frustrating to say the least lol
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
βοΈ your friend here π
tidal bronze
@forest edge most likely the adjusted range is not actual π
forest edge
well I use motioneye motion detect on the same camera but was hoping to use both to cut down on some false positives
clever mortar
I use MotionEye with Doods for exactly that
forest edge
was so excited when I figured out the api for the pir and the doorbell button but between the pir headaches and the rest sensor 30 second interval not sure I can make good use of either in HA π’
@clever mortar never messed with anything like doods before, don't even know what specs machine i would need to run it on or if i even have something laying around with enough umph to work lol
clever mortar
I run it on an i5, get a sub second processing time on a 4MP image
You can obviously tune things a lot to make it faster, but I'm fine with a 0.8 second processing time (for now)
forest edge
wonder if an i3 would work lol
downside it's a desktop which means more heat in this room which means more sweaty underwear
clever mortar
It "works" on a Pi3, just slow
tidal bronze
@forest edge you are trying to to get the PIR working as well right?
last dirge
GRRR
forest edge
@tidal bronze yea right now it almost seems to work, you have to be like within 2 feet of it to set it off but that's better than 40 million false positives i guess lol
last dirge
NUC not responding after UPS failover
clear ferry
last dirge
I really need to get a cheap HDMI monitor to keep down with all the gear
forest edge
@clear ferry uh i think it's funny you tried to translate that to english I'm guessing but literally the only word that was translated to english was "wow!" lol
clear ferry
Wait for it to finish loading on your American dial up
forest edge
it's fully loaded
we gots BROADBAND
@last dirge my rpi4 handled the transition perfectly when power went out for 2 hours here a month or so ago
last dirge
I don't know what the hell happened
I can't ping it
got no monitor I can use to see if it's actually responding but has some dumb problem
everything else in the rack's fine
forest edge
did you smell it?
last dirge
doesn't smell like magic smoke
the switch reports it's transmitting/receiving
guess it's hard reset time
forest edge
need to pick you up a cheapo 15" monitor for situations like this
last dirge
need HDMI in
last dirge
looks like about $100 is the pricepoint
forest edge
@clear ferry what the hell is this atx? looks like a gyro kind of
forest edge
never heard of it
last dirge
you've never heard of kebab?
forest edge
I feel like the end of avengers when he asked if anyone had shawarma
clear ferry
It's what I just had for dinner really
last dirge
mmmmm scab
forest edge
I ate deer meat once, was gross
last dirge
false
forest edge
dad knew a butcher who liked to hunt deer so one night we had "fresh" deer steak with jerky and I did not like either
forest edge
i would imagine whale and seal taste the same lol
scenic radish
Schwarma is delicious
forest edge
Tinkerer just how slow you think a rpi3B+ would be with doods?
clear ferry
The taste similar, but not the same @forest edge
forest edge
didn't someone post a picture on here that doods thought thier flower garden was an airplane?
shy comet
@forest edge in my setup cats and walls get detected by people lol
forest edge
walls? lol
shy comet
with as high as a confidence rating as actual people lol
forest edge
isn't it ai learning so you tell it that a wall is a wall then it reduces how often it makes thta mistake?
shy comet
ok walls and a bush lol
naw no AI learning here lol....i think tensorflow needs to provide newer models or we need to learn to train the existing models
forest edge
if you got time to dig that thing out and fill it, you got time to pop them bullets in by hand lol
hearty depot
Perfect thing against 10k rounds rolling around at home.
scenic radish
that's much better than the shit speed loader i have for my handgun
last dirge
skalavala was talking about DOODS DICS the other day
amber bramble
( Ν‘Β° ΝΚ Ν‘Β°)
scenic radish
forest edge
@amber bramble better than the crap tediore posts
last dirge
did I tell you I figured out a way to get a bunch of free stuff from FedEx?
forest edge
you rob thier trucks?
last dirge
easier than that
you wait for someone to build a new house on a road in your zip code with name that's similar enough to yours and as long as your house numbers match, you'll get everything that's supposed to be delivered to the other place until FedEx updates their maps database
so far it's been about 18 months
unfortuately the other people are old asian people so they haven't gotten anything good
after about the 3rd package, I stopped calling FedEx
I'll tell the person delivering the package if I actually see them delivering it
forest edge
lol
forest edge
around here people go on the nextdoor app and state someone stole thier package and they won't call the police if it's on thier doorstep by the next morning
last dirge
I always check to make sure it's nothing important before I ignore it
today's motherlode is hemorrhoid wipes and denture cleaner tablets
pretty sure they tried to deliver a cell phone a few weeks ago but I caught the driver and told him
forest edge
lol
today's motherlode is hemorrhoid wipes and denture cleaner tablets
@last dirge sure the package didn't have @clear ferry name on it?
last dirge
#boomerlife
last plaza
skalavala was talking about DOODS DICS the other day
@last dirge you used Doods? I will probably use it if they support it on RPI.
last dirge
no
last plaza
Or at least try it. I have got a good TF setup at home.
last dirge
I don't yet have enough infrastructure to deal with something like that
I'd have to section off the IP cameras on a different vlan
last plaza
You donβt need infrastructure to consume pre-trained models.
last dirge
and my NUC's only got a single network input
I don't want to flood my network with RTSP streams just so something can look at it
last plaza
Yes, it is very simple, no need for extra hardware or infrastructure
Ah!
You donβt have to stream anything. You use snapshot on camera and feed that to TF or Doods. Thatβs all. No real-time streaming is really required.
clever mortar
Yeah, my process is:
- Motion reports activity to HA
- HA Snapshots the stream
- Doods processes the snapshot
last dirge
all of my motion processing is done on the NVR
and there's no way to get that data out of the NVR
clever mortar
Can't even get a notification alert/push/whatever?
last dirge
not through any useful method
it's a pretty crappy NVR that's 6 years old
I can have it flip a bit on one of two outputs
or email
clever mortar
"awesome"
last dirge
you know it
scenic radish
anyone have recommendations on NVRs for a multi-unit residential project? five buildings, would like one camera on the exterior of each building. project i'm heading up as part of my condo board
clever mortar
For that, going all in on one brand would be logical
last dirge
Synology + Surveillance Station?
clever mortar
All Hikvision or all Unifi for example
Personally, yeah, NAS or MotionEye and a bunch of whatever cameras
uncut moon
Hi there all - Don't know if there is a more correct channel to use, so bear with me.
Currently using HA for a bunch of automation stuff as well as the use of the app to control lights from a far. Using the Homekit integration to control various lights and stuff and then Siri shortcuts to control garage door, front door lock, etc.
Last thing I'd really love to integrate is Music - I can quite easily get some stuff working via Chromecast Audio and control stuff, but I'd like to be able to just hand a guest an iPad or Android tablet or something, and then a single device in KIOSK mode is able to control lights, search Spotify/Google Play/Apple Music/Tidal, etc. for content as well as use playlists of course. Does such a thing exist?
last dirge
@uncut moon I think Plex can do that
forest edge
@scenic radish I would not go cheap on that project. you'll regret it long haul
clever mortar
#integrations-archived would be a good place to ask though
uncut moon
I've got Plex and I could get Tidal, but then I wind up with having a Plex app for Media and HA for everything else, would love a single app experience
last dirge
skalalalalalalalalalala has a pretty neat distributed system
scenic radish
problem is it seems ridiculous to have a single camera with a single NVR in each building, but i'm not really sure what the alternative would be...
last dirge
@scenic radish point to point wifi
clever mortar
Backhaul between the buildings to a central location
last dirge
or physical backhaul
clever mortar
Unifi and Mikrotik do a range of gear for it
scenic radish
ah good point
clever mortar
@uncut moon I'd ask over in #integrations-archived - but HA isn't really a media player like that
last dirge
there's a Unifi rig that's PoE that's got a PoE output to a camera with a wifi cannon on it
scenic radish
π₯« π
last dirge
you just have to power it
clever mortar
PoE is "handy"
last dirge
you can put the wifi thing anywhere
just single PoE to the camera
I think the Ubiquiti stuff is the lower voltage PoE
uncut moon
ty tinkerer
fluid zephyr
I love my FreeNAS jails ... but the more I'm getting to know docker... It's getting harder to not think about switching to a Debian based server to have native docker support :/
low harness
Is it just me or are there lots of new people around? Is it because of wink?
fluid zephyr
Hi... I've been around for a bit in #672217570283094017 ... Today I thought I'd venture out π€£
clear ferry
@fluid zephyr but if my thoughts about freenas12 are right you can run the middleware on Linux soon, and get all the benefits of freenas, but Linux underneath with jails or docker, and even KVM instead of bhyve
@hearty depot your package was sent today 
fluid zephyr
Ohhhh I did not know this
clear ferry
@scenic radish and yours
scenic radish
β€οΈ
hearty depot
clear ferry
scenic radish
fluid zephyr
I really like the new z-wave integration ... I'm still having a hard time wanting to move it off my FreeNAS ... even though I know it's better ... It's just now a second device ... but it's just a pi with one container I tell myself....
I'm way too much over thinking this
green inlet
So here is some valuable information.....cottenelle plumbers approved wipes arenβt reliable for anything other than smelly fingers. Donβt ask me how I know.
candid sorrel
Hi all! Just joined this server because of Wink's sub crap. Already have a PI4, so I have a HUSBZB-1 on order. Can't wait to dig in!
clever mortar
Welcome to the other madness
scenic radish
i really need to get a different router...
fluid zephyr
HUSBZB-1 is nice, I'm using that
scenic radish
been saying it for months but got a new server instead lol
green inlet
Edgerouter x. 50.00. Canβt beat it with a stick
clever mortar
π€ Pretty sure I can...
scenic radish
google wifi has a fit whenever i try to set up a DHCP reservation with the same IP address for a different device even when I've already disconnected the other device long before trying to reassign the same IP
ivory jewel
I use pfsense + unifi APs
scenic radish
ip a shows this, always:
2: enp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP group default qlen 1000
link/ether 00:00:de:ad:be:ef brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 10.0.0.2/24 brd 10.0.0.255 scope global enp3s0
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
my router on the other hand seems to think the server has 10.0.0.53, then 10.0.0.52, then 10.0.0.2
π
ivory jewel
(I have wiring to anywhere I need an access point)
green inlet
I said a stick @clever mortar, get your mind out of the gutter. π€£
clever mortar
But I've got lots of company there...
Also, if I've got a stick, and I can reach it, anything can get hit
green inlet
Yea, I am right over here on your left
clever mortar
Percussive maintenance FTW
green inlet
With duct tape, a stick, and a paper clip, I can hard reset just about anything
Multiple different ways
green inlet
Zactly
modest smelt
Tell that to the UPS that died after a whopping 3 days of service
ivory jewel
I think my router would hold up to that for a bit π
modest smelt
"Hey lets get a UPS for our core network, it'll make it more reliable!"
3 days later
"Why is everything down?"
ivory jewel
it's surrounded by a solid piece of metal