yup, guacamole is web based ssh/vnc solution
#the-water-cooler
scenic radish
Interesting... HTML5 web based RDP gateway
modern scaffold
yup, if you put it in docker nad secure it with google auth, etc. it really powerfull admin solution
hushed basalt
So what does traefik have to do with it?
modern scaffold
because without traefik its simple and working ๐
If you are not familiar with guacamole it will be hard to figure it out, but thanks for help
hushed basalt
If it's not working with traefik it's probably a traefik issue
Have you defined a tcp service port for ssh in traefik
scenic radish
Is "garage" British slang for "gas station"?
last plaza
I think they call it "Petrol Station"
last plaza
garages in UK means a place to fix things - usually mechanic shops
scenic radish
I feel deceived
last plaza
Wanted a real live Brit to confirm
@scenic radish definitely not me! ๐
scenic radish
Are you fake, dead, or not British?
last plaza
neither apparently ๐
scenic radish
Jk I think you said you're from Ohio? Oklahoma?
last plaza
The great state of Ohio
scenic radish
Brohio
last plaza
Home of the Buckeyes
green inlet
forest edge
@last plaza is our early warning murder hornet detection system. if he ever comes on in panic cause his house is being swarmed then the rest of us know roughly how many murder hornet free days we have left
green inlet
I had to do it
I vote we continue this WFH thing cause of murder hornets.
I mean 50 deaths a year.....thatโs Craaaa....zy
last plaza
Murder Hornet Epidemic right after Covid Epidemic. I wonder whatโs next!
2020 is full of surprises!
green inlet
New tiger king episodes Ska
forest edge
I'll tell you whats next, it will be the @scenic radish Grand Sauce Sploogvid-20
last plaza
I watched it already - that's the interviews with the cast isn't it?
last plaza
unless they added like in the last two days, I've watched all of them
last plaza
no, not as exciting... it is just interviews over iPhone videos
green inlet
I am Netflix dry
last plaza
Watch Jerry Seinfeld's 23 hours to kill - it was released yesterday
green inlet
I saw that. Funny?
last plaza
it was a good hour long program to watch with family - unlike the other ones
green inlet
๐๐ป
last plaza
also watching WestWorld, almost half-way there
forest edge
WW3 did not look appealing to me this season
last plaza
It is because the dumb and dumber from Game of Thrones joined the team
forest edge
how do you go from a wild west park to some kind of futuristic city robot spy thing
last plaza
if they can create that theme park, everything can be created
scenic radish
@forest edge that's Grand Sauce โข๏ธ to you
loud tide
Where does nabu casa chat happen?
last plaza
in the cloud!
amber bramble
turns out decompiling a .NET DLL is stupid easy
dull chasm
@green inlet
amber bramble
pretty sure whoever wrote the app for this water softener was writing their very first mobile app because some of the source code is this.myWebView.SetWebViewClient((WebViewClient) new HelloWebViewClient());
dull chasm
enough said
last plaza
@amber bramble Iโve decompiled .net code ton! What are you working on?
Just converted HassBot to .net core.
amber bramble
got a new water softener that provides some data to an app, gallons used per day, gallons left before needing a regen, current water flow, etc
and lets you change a few settings like enabling vacation mode
trying to reverse engineer it enough to get that data into HA
last plaza
cool!
There are techniques to prevent from decompiling a .net assembly. The obfuscation process makes it extremely difficult for the reader. It messes up the code and makes it completely useless.
amber bramble
yeah they didn't even try to obfuscate it
The API key for their push notifications system is sitting wide out in the open in this code ๐คฃ
last plaza
Yep. Most donโt do it. If you use data protection, it automatically does some obfuscation. Mostly it is open.
Grab the key and make your own app ๐
last plaza
Nice!
amber bramble
webview and push notification receiver
so i can mostly use desktop chrome to do all of the work
last plaza
Rewrite it and make a custom HA component out of it.
amber bramble
i kind of wonder if i can MITM it and get the data off the thing locally instead of through their servers
i wouldn't be surprised if its just doing a basic POST to some cloud server and i doubt its doing any fancy certificate verification
last plaza
Setup local http proxy and listen...
amber bramble
gotta figure out what domain or ip its trying to hit first. gonna try to wireshark it tomorrow if i can get the wireless card on my laptop to switch over to monitor mode
last plaza
Wire shark is an overkill for this - unless you want to listen to all the tcp traffic and decode yourself.
If you have java runtime on your laptop, Apache axis has http listener you can run, you then use local ip and port in your browser proxy server , and run the app.
You will be able to see all http traffic.
amber bramble
looks like the api endpoints are https
last plaza
Just like running fiddler locally
amber bramble
so if i run an http proxy to intercept the traffic, how do i get it to intercept the traffic coming from the water softener itself if i don't know what domain/ip its hitting to re-route it?
last plaza
Ah! Then you wonโt be able to see the request response body
It will show any traffic that goes through the browser. You should be able to see ip, port and other http protocol information like header information...etc
amber bramble
yeah i can grab that information for communicating to/from their cloud site
was hoping i could mitm the water softener itself to bypass their cloud
last dirge
does it use ssl?
if it does and the hardware is doing strict cert checking, you're fookt
amber bramble
everything "customer-facing" is behind SSL for their mobile app so I'm guessing it's posting to an SSL endpoint
whether or not it does strict cert checking.. ๐คทโโ๏ธ
last plaza
I jut ported HassBot to .net core. I should be able to run it on ubuntu anytime now. Then I donโt need to keep the windows 2018 server.
@last dirge you ever tried one of these? https://www.dailysteals.com/products/sleep-easy-sound-conditioner-white-noise-machine?sdtid=14031500&sscid=51k4_6rt3n
Do they work?
last dirge
"work"?
forest edge
@last plaza just run it from HA like i do my discord bot lol
then you get stats in HA lmao
last plaza
Supposedly โpureโ white noise.
last dirge
just get a fan
last dirge
I have a noise generator but it's mostly so the dogs don't freak out about noises at night
forest edge
I run a simple role/help bot for a starcraft community discord server
last dirge
I think the big tower fan is more effective
last plaza
I see. I use my iPad at night as my white noise generator. I cheaped out so far.
last plaza
@forest edge our bot requirements are different. Thatโs why I wrote custom bot with custom commands.
last plaza
SharperImage no longer exists in our mall. No brookstone store either.
last dirge
sharper image doesn't exist at all
last plaza
@forest edge no, it is a small program that runs in windows server.
Thatโs what I thought. They filed chapter 11 I think.
forest edge
what language is it written in? mines in python
last plaza
C#
last dirge
๐คข
forest edge
that should be convertable if you should ever decide to change
last plaza
Kicks Javaโs ass anytime.
https://github.com/skalavala/HassBot @forest edge
It used to be in Python. Dale has initial bot code in python. I re-wrote in c# around 4 years ago when we moved to discord from Gitter.
forest edge
you really like to split up those files lol
you should see my mess
oine big ass file
last plaza
lol
last dirge
I'm An EnGiNeEr
last plaza
Some people put ALL their automations in one file. Some use packages.
I like packages. Donโt like one long file. Reminds me of C days.
forest edge
i'm too lazy to split things up unless i'm doing something that has millions of lines of code lol
wild grove
do webview apps offer cert pinning or client cert auth on top of the site? If not then its likely they arent doing either of those. I dont know how much webview offers above the page itself
chiming in late to the convo @amber bramble d was having above
amber bramble
from what i can tell its just creating a very basic webview with nothing fancy
last plaza
If atx is online, he would ask you how is life in 2015? ๐คฃ
wild grove
can you tell the watersoftner to use a proxy?
amber bramble
nope
wild grove
can you configure its dns?
could hijack the name locally and give it any ole random self signed cert
amber bramble
i could have the dhcp server give it different dns
wild grove
yeah unless its like a google home
last dirge
you running pihole?
amber bramble
im not sure what host it's actually pushing data to though
wild grove
i think they hard code 8's
capture traffic on router?
easier than wifi in monitor mode
or yeah a pihole or something could tell you
last dirge
I mean other than just proxying DNS
amber bramble
lol
last plaza
Ah!
amber bramble
good thought. i do have pi-hole running
last dirge
if it's not doing strict ssl checking you can MITM it
forest edge
oh dear lord. https://youtu.be/zoSrowxmy5w
last dirge
if it is, you're hosed
last plaza
Not sure you can see the complete http traffic like fiddler or other tools.
wild grove
then to quote the documentary "swordfish" pop the firewall and watch the money roll in
no way am i watching that
yeah, the hope its not doing pinning or client cert auth
last plaza
@forest edge the murder hornets are no threat to humans. Thatโs what the researchers say.
wild grove
what happens when the hornets get covid?
forest edge
well if your allergic to it's venom it can kill you
wild grove
yet
last dirge
even more deadly
last plaza
โน๏ธ
last dirge
ronaproof
last plaza
Humans need to evolve!
amber bramble
ok im gonna try a mitm proxy tomorrow
wild grove
awww
last plaza
May the 7th be with you! ๐
wild grove
tag me if you get anywhere with it? im curious
amber bramble
i got the aws dns name its hitting so we'll see if it actually cares about certificates
last plaza
lol - good luck!
wild grove
based on the code you pasted above, id be shocked
amber bramble
the webview client class is literally named HelloWebViewClient and is referred to as this.myWebview
last plaza
HelloWebView
wild grove
unless aws and whatever the use or copy/pasted makes it click-button
amber bramble
worst case scenario i have to pull it from their cloud, wouldn't be the end of the world
wild grove
yeah, it could be stable like ecobee or myq
amber bramble
and looks like pulling it from their cloud will be relatively simple. its all simple javascript and jquery code for their web interface + an eventstream. should be easy to decode most of the data in the eventstream
{"C":"d-3571A696-kY,0|k0,0|ky,5|k1,1","M":[{"H":"valveupdate","M":"updateValveInfo","A":["(softener-mac-address)",0.0,931]}]}
wild grove
does the app or the device call the same name as the web interface?
amber bramble
the app is nothing more than a webview that hits a url i can open in a desktop browser
wild grove
yeah, i'd point that thing at fiddler
last dirge
you can black hole your softener so it can't see the internet if you want
but then you'd essentially have to replicate what their server is doing
last plaza
I wonder what brand is that softener is. I am pretty sure there is some github repo already about it.
true glacier
Are the forums down? I cannot reply and it says they are in read only mode. No announcements in Blog section.
scenic radish
nightly backup, usually happens around 22:00 central time
true glacier
Makes sense, thanks.
lethal ice
Hi all. Have dabbled off and on over the past few years but with the news from Wink today, preparing to jump both-feet-in.
scenic radish
doit
lethal ice
I unfortunately am going to need to buy a bunch of radios. Are there standard recommendations for ideal Z-Wave and Zigbee USB radios? I know I've read the Aeon Labs Z-Wave stick is tops.
scenic radish
Where do you live?
lethal ice
East Coast US
scenic radish
The HUSBZB-1 is a nice combo Zigbee/Z-wave USB stick
It's the one I have, no issues with it
lethal ice
The real bummer is I'm going to need to pick up a Lutron Smart Bridge Pro; the Lutron radios are frankly why I stuck with Wink as long as I did. (That, and the fact that everything worked and I didn't need to futz with it :))
scenic radish
I always forget about lutron's proprietary protocol
lethal ice
How's the range on the HUSBZB-1? My server rack is in the basement, so just worried the USB radios won't have quite as much oomph to get to the exterior lights and such
scenic radish
Well keep in mind zigbee and Z-wave are mesh networks
lethal ice
And yeah. The proprietary protocol is a blessing and a curse; it's rock solid and low frequency means excellent penetration, but yeah. $$
scenic radish
As far as range from the stick itself, no clue. I'm in a 1000 sq ft condo so I can't really provide much of an assessment
lethal ice
Indeed, so worst case scenario I just pop another lightbulb in somewhere as an extender I guess.
scenic radish
Yeah, or a smart plug
Anything mains powered
Well, most mains-powered devices. Some only act as end devices
scenic radish
That's the one
scenic radish
Oh nice lol
I was about to say there are other options but that's the only one I know of that has both radios
lethal ice
I'm in a decisive mood.
scenic radish
Big selling point for me
lethal ice
Any other initial recommendations for things to read up on / stuff to watch? When I messed with HASS a couple years ago I started writing yaml configurations trying to use it to control things via the Wink hub as the radio, but could never get the dashboard and things looking and working the way I wanted.
I've seen a bunch of articles about hass with node-red
Worth digging into?
scenic radish
Things have come a long way since a few years ago. I've heard good things about node bread but I've always just written manual YAML automations and I've been just fine
The current frontend (Lovelace) is also way better than the old states UI
lethal ice
๐ I'm mostly just worried about the lag time between switching and getting everything up and running again. I have an awful lot of automations for things like door sensors that turn on lights in closets, motion sensors that turn on lights in the laundry room, etc.
water main shutoff valves and water sensors etc
gotta get it all paired up and working
scenic radish
Yeah that's gonna take a while for sure
lethal ice
(If you hadn't read about it, Wink sent out a blog post today essentially saying that they're converting to a $5/mo subscription service, from the previous 'just buy the hub and it's yours to use' model they've had for years)
scenic radish
Home assistant is the first true home automation platform I started with
I did see that, that sucks
lethal ice
The kick in the pants is that it goes into effect in one week. So if you don't pay up within a week, your hub is a brick. Very nice.
scenic radish
That's why I don't buy anything unless it has a local API
Wink is dying anyway, and this will almost certainly be the last nail in the coffin
lethal ice
Yeah. There weren't many options in 2015 and I got mine in a clearance sale, and it actually got a lot better since then too, but yeah. This has always been something on the back burner to do. It's just suddenly critical.
Which maybe ultimately is good
lethal ice
Yep I get it, they're hurting, but it's a poor way to treat the faithful who've stuck with them.
The sad thing is I'll probably end up paying their ransom anyway for a month or two until I get this all together.
scenic radish
Tbh it's probably one final cash grab before they go under
Get a select group of people to pay the $5 for a month or two before leaving
lethal ice
It's sad. I like these relays, too ๐
scenic radish
scenic radish
Lmao exactly
Btw with that stick your only choice of Zigbee integration is ZHA. Not a problem, just a heads up.
lethal ice
The only Zigbee devices I have are a bunch of ancient GE Link bulbs and some Sylvania Lightify ones
lethal ice
The vast majority of devices are actually the Lutron ClearConnect. All my switches are, except for one GE Z-Wave fan controller.
Z-Wave is stuff like the Schlage deadbolt and the water main shutoff, door/window , motion sensors, etc.
I have a lot of the Dome HA stuff
scenic radish
Oh I've gotcha
The only "mission critical" devices I have are Zigbee water leak sensors
lethal ice
One thing I'm excited about actually is there are a lot of devices that Wink supports, but not the full capabilities of. like some of those Dome HA outlets supposedly have power usage monitoring capabilities.
scenic radish
Well and my security system
Yeah I've been pretty impressed with home assistant
Especially since it's free
lethal ice
Yeah.
Alright well I'll be bugging you and everyone else a whole bunch in here in the coming weeks I'm sure. Thanks for the initial advice on the hardware and the warm welcome, though.
1am so off to bed for now ๐
scenic radish
Lol sounds good. Just make sure to check the docs and give it a shot first before asking questions. Most likely that will be the first thing someone asks when you ask a question ๐
lethal ice
Most definitely. Only post-RTFM PEBCAK will make its way in here.
junior plank
Hello are there any good alternatives for Pimusicbox(running on Pi zero) which also integrates with HA?
clever mortar
I'd ask in #integrations-archived after looking at https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations#media-player
hushed basalt
Urgh my ISPs backbone doesn't seem to want to connect to us-east-1 aws resources
Which is where all the installers for aws applications are
misty garden
Sorry, prob a stupid q, but i cant find a solid answer for this - i have everything in docker compose, and i want to update all of my containers at once. whats the best way to do this? I've been doing docker-compose down, docker-compose pull, docker-compose up
clever mortar
I'd pull first personally
misty garden
ok, so pull, then stop n start?
clever mortar
If you really want to force restart them all
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/37609662/docker-compose-restart-only-updated-images is probably better though
misty garden
thanks a lot
clear ferry
clever mortar
๐ค
clever mortar
grave hill
Hey all, my HA hasn't shown me the option to update to the newest version since Home Assistant 0.103.6. Nowhere in the interface I can find an option and it used to show me a notification and a button or link to automatically update to whichever version was more recent.
Any ideas about why that might have happened and if there's a way to smoothly update without risking any loss of data?
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
โ๏ธ Ask in the relevant channel ๐
grave hill
Looking at the channel list, I'd say I did
clear ferry
grave hill
Maybe support-> other
grave hill
Read my message. It's not about installing
clever mortar
๐คฆ
That's for your installation method
Sadly too many folks just see the one word and don't read the topics
grave hill
Yeah, probably true. I did. Maybe it's not a very good channel name.
But thanks for your help. Nevermind, I'll go somewhere else.
clever mortar
๐คท
Asking in the right of the two channels will get you the help you're looking for, but ...
clear ferry
๐ฉ
clever mortar
clear ferry
Lol my friends and family up north has had snow for three days now, including all the snow they had to begin with
clear ferry
Nice, the central bank has cut interest to 0.0%
dull belfry
How bad does this look?
clever mortar
Need to put a hole in the wall to route the cable, or get some trunking ๐
orchid rose
It's not that bad imo. Would look neater with a angled usb connector though
And one antenna should be horizontal afaik
clever mortar
Yeah, I buy angled cables and adapters for a whole host of things, to either reduce strain or just make it neater
hushed basalt
Also you can make a frame out of wood if you're handy
A bezel even
Then you can hide the cable entry
low harness
I always try to put all antennas at right angles to each other.
Don't think it's strictly necessary, but it can't hurt.
I.e. one sticking straight out from the back.
clear ferry
I used to do a lot of antenna adjustments in the mid to late 00s but for most smaller installs the value it brings is minimal, and for bigger installs we have the fixed ceiling antennas anyway
hushed basalt
Woohoo just got my first personal python project this year to MVP
I'm making a headless barcode scanner for groceries
For consumption and purchase
The antennas depends on the polarity of the receiving antennas
I would just go all up myself
low harness
And keep your cell phone perpendicular to the ground at all times?
hushed basalt
Sure why not haha
low harness
...or whatever angle you have measured properly aligns the antennas
Whatever works for you.
hushed basalt
All my APs are inbuilt anyways so I don't have much choice
low harness
Yeah, mine too.
hushed basalt
It's something like 30dB loss for the wrong orientation
I'd rather have all my antennas in the proper way and hope for the best
Rather than have half of the MIMOs out of wack
And hardwire everything. POE smart phones!
POE vacuum robots
amber bramble
@last plaza its an Evolve softener and the wifi tech is called Wripli
clear ferry
Change power vendor a few months back
and I'm quite surprised at how much of a difference that makes in price
my entire power bill for april (for a 250m2 / 2800sqft house with two adults and a baby) was 248NOK ($25) plus utility which was 1400NOK ($140) , previously the power was usually atleast 40% of the total price, now it is 15%
the utility I can't do much about, because depending on what area you live you have to pay utility to whoever owns the power lines in the area
amber bramble
i just looked closer at the circuit board for my water softener and it has a spot on the PCB that looks like you can attach a debug header and get a serial connection
wonder if this would void the warranty ๐คฃ
scenic radish
DOIT
amber bramble
Any guesses which pin is which on this header?
last dirge
square is pin 1
strange vapor
last dirge
F on the rack door for blessing
clever mortar
https://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html is another one of my favourites
tepid arrow
Wink has some pretty big balls to start charging given how incredibly unreliable and slow it is
tepid arrow
guaranteed service doesn't improve for those that start paying
I've been looking at H.A. for a while now, but there's so many options and integrations I've been slowly trying to figure out what would be best for my set up. The news from Wink is like a kick in the ass to make the switch ASAP.
clever mortar
The good news is that the community is active, and the docs are comprehensive
tepid arrow
even though Wink sucks w/ speed and reliability, it was super simple to set up
clever mortar
The bad news is there's an ocean of outdated videos and third party docs
tepid arrow
I've got H.A installed in a VM right now, but I think a raspi would be better for the zigbee/z-wave USB antenna
clever mortar
You can do both ๐
There's Zigbee2MQTT for running Zigbee remotely, and either Zwave2MQTT or the upcoming new Z-Wave integration
tepid arrow
so.... the raspi w/ antenna would be the physical interface to devices, but then talk to my VM over my network which holds all the routines / rules?
hub and spoke type of topology
clever mortar
Yeah
I kinda run that already, with HA on my old laptop, Z-Wave on an Pi, and Zigbee on another laptop
tepid arrow
is that a lot of power draw?
wild grove
+1 for zwave2mqtt, im running it on an ancient rpi but i have < 10 zwave devices
clear ferry
25w? What is this? Power draw for ants? 
hearty depot
Just like my ram 
clear ferry
tepid arrow
Does Zigbee do a good job of sending signals through walls and floors?
last plaza
It is not radio signal. The signal strength will be impaired a little bit. Depends on how thick and what materials the doors and walls made of.
clear ferry
Depends on distance mostly
But mesh helps
I have a 18+ meter long house, with 3 floors and I have no dead zones really
last plaza
The only dead zone is where @clear ferry sits.
clear ferry
last plaza
๐คฃ
tepid arrow
my home isn't terribly wide, kind of a box. Right now wink hub and smart lights are all in the same room, main level. When I expand into putting smart lights upstairs and downstairs, wonder if I'll need another node or not
last plaza
Use mesh networking. It will help a lot.
last dirge
@last plaza he's pushin 50
already got one foot in the dead zone
@tepid arrow you're still planning on using Wink with all the crap going on with them?
tepid arrow
no
planning on ditching wink before the news, the new info about subscription is just another reason to hurry up and switch
last plaza
Curse you, Wink! They are going to lose a lot of customers.
tepid arrow
before I go out and start buying a ton of raspis, SD cards, zigbee/zwave sticks, etc. I'm trying to plan it all out
last dirge
@last plaza so we gave the estimates to the business today and they said "this isn't going to work" and we said "yeah, we told you that already"
@tepid arrow I'd advise against only relying on SD cards on a raspi
raspi3 has the ability to boot from USB I believe
4 removed that
and if you ARE going to use a SD card, make sure to offload your logs and that you've got some sort of battery backup for it to limit possible corruptions
tepid arrow
@last dirge , I didn't realize the SD card was an issue. You think that a USB stick would be more reliable? And, I do have HA running in a VM right now... was thinking about making that the "master" node, and raspis with zigbee/z-wave antennas the "slave" nodes to communicate with IoT. Just not sure how to go about that
last dirge
a USB to SSD would be far more reliable
why not just plug the antenna into the one running hass?
tepid arrow
my intel NUC has ESXi installed, HA is installed in a VM. Not sure how reliable the USB passthrough is.
Plus... that's in the basement. Currently, all of my lights are on the main level
last dirge
mine's in the basement
no z-wave devices in the basement
no problem with z-wave mesh
tepid arrow
what are you using to mesh it? Do you have hubs around the house?
clear ferry
Usb passthrough in esxi is pretty solid
All mains powered zwave and zigbee devices create a mesh
last dirge
they're essentially smart repeaters
amber bramble
Hooked up to the debug port of my water softener and I'm getting data off of it but nothing readable
last dirge
@amber bramble you sure you've got the baud rate right?
amber bramble
i cycled through all the standard baud rates
scenic radish
just set up an automation to turn off my thermostat when a peak time savings event is about to start... so i have now officially run out of automations to create (ones i can think of, at least)
clear ferry
@scenic radish just had peak time here, $0.015 per kwh 
scenic radish
clear ferry
tepid arrow
@lethal ice - what install method did you use? I downloaded the HaaS OVF for Fusion/Workstation, and then converted it using vmkfstools on the ESXi host. Then I had to play with BIOS/EFI to get it to boot properly.
clear ferry
Why not just deploy the ovf directly?
lethal ice
So there's an .ova but it wasn't installing properly for me.
It just said extracting ova, this may take awhile, but forever.
tepid arrow
IIRC, the download was not made for ESXi type VMs, which is why I had to conver it
lethal ice
I didn't convert anything, but I downloaded the .vmdk, sent it up to the storage pool, and created a new VM, removed the default hard drive, and added the .vmdk as the hdd
you have to change it from SCSI to IDE and a few other settings
wild grove
what about parity and stop bits? or xon/xoff or rts/cts @amber bramble
tepid arrow
for ESXi type VM, the disk consists of a VMDK header and VMDK-flat file, which is where the data is stored. On Fusion/Workstation, all the data resides in the VMDK file alone.
clear ferry
@tepid arrow ovf is an open format, that supports deployment on any hypervisor
But it might be poorly created
tepid arrow
root 6.0G May 7 15:41 hassos-flat.vmdk < data
root 528 Apr 20 21:59 hassos.vmdk < header/descriptor
That is how most vmdks look the last 10 years because of compatibility between thin and thick provisioning if memory serves right
tepid arrow
from an ESXi point of view, thin, lazy thick, and eager zero thick all require a header/descriptor and flat file.
Other virtualization platforms could be different
amber bramble
@wild grove I've been working my way through a bunch of different settings
i wish there was a way to autodetect this stuff
oh dang
there are 2 COM TX ports on this thing
I just swapped ports and now its sending JSON to my console
publish {"command":100,"delayed-regen-status":false,"current-flow":0,"cap-max":940,"cap-remain":926,"rssi":-61,"day-remain":12}
hahaha yessss
gonna have to solder a header to the board which i'm not thrilled about but ๐คท
scenic radish
Nice work!
wild grove
Can't get more local than that!
lethal ice
LOL well, shit. I hesitated on ordering the Lutron Smart Bridge Pro last night and now all of them are gone on ebay
I guess the pissed off Wink users are prepping for the final exodus
last dirge
could look at Hubitat
tepid arrow
I was thinking of hubitat as a replacement to wink
Does Hubitat & HA work well together?
clever mortar
https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/lutron/ exists though
lethal ice
Totally, although that's for RadioRA not ClearConnect
either way, with Wink going away, I need something that has the actual radios to connect to HASS ๐
clear ferry
Hubs ๐คข
clever mortar
Probably best to search the forum, somebody else may have tackled it
lethal ice
They have, you just need the bridge to be able to talk to them.
https://www.bulbsdepot.com/l-bdgpro2-wh.html seem to have it in stock, I'm just not sure if they're shady or not ๐
but the pro bridge has a telnet interface
so HASS (or anything) can easily interface with it
clear ferry
I would never buy a product that only propitary radios can talk to tbh
clever mortar
Yeah, but too many folks get sucked in by marketing
lethal ice
Thanks, appreciate that. ๐
clever mortar
Marketing is how Wink got so many folks on board ๐
last dirge
Lutron stuff is $$$$
lethal ice
It's also the only HA gear I own that has been rock solid with zero delay, and never had a single issue or needed to be re-paired <shrug>
I agree, especially if you buy it at full price, it's not cheap.
But my friend who put in 50 or so GE Z-Wave switches has had to replace like half of them over the past several years, so that adds up too. Either way, doesn't seem productive to insult people's choice of devices, even if it differs from yours.
clear ferry
Ah right, Americans have no consumer rights in electronics 
In Norway something like that would come with a 3 year warranty by default
tepid arrow
I bought into Wink when I was brand new in IoT space, had no experience, and got advice from colleagues. It had the widest compatibility OOB
clear ferry
Minimum 3 years that is
rare condor
Hmmm... https://github.com/buttplugio I was thinking of all the automations I can do with this
scenic radish
Lmao
lethal ice
I also bought into Wink circa 2015, because I got the hub for like 30 bucks on sale, and if I'm being honest for what I paid and the time I spent on it it's been pretty great. I've wanted to migrate off onto HASS for some time now but it's a testament to how they've kept things going thus far that I haven't needed to.
clever mortar
The reddit thread was funny as heck @rare condor
rare condor
"Imagine this: Intruder detected, Bam, buzzer in my butt goes off, wakes me right up. I can see it being useful."
too good
lethal ice
As 'consumer hubs' go, frankly I think Wink had the right mix of ease and flexibility.
scenic radish
Practical AND enjoyable (if you're into that sort of thing)
lethal ice
But as the most recent turn shows, it's never a good idea to tie your functionality to a service that might go away.
This much is obvious ๐
clever mortar
Easy to learn that the hard way sadly
lethal ice
Eh, I think most of us still on Wink knew this day was coming.
tepid arrow
anything that requires internet access to control local network devices is something I won't make the mistake of doing again
last dirge
value-add not forced is okay though
lethal ice
If anything I guess I'm thankful I can at least pay them their $5 ransom for a month or so to keep everything working while I transition over. Despite the fact that this move is more galling, it would have been more disruptive if it just suddenly all stopped working.
rare condor
I'm piseed about NEST
last dirge
@lethal ice looks like hubitat still needs a lutron bridge
lethal ice
Which part?
last dirge
so nevermind ๐
lethal ice
@last dirge yeah, sadly AFAIK Wink was the only one who paid the licensing to have Lutron radios inside.
rare condor
I bought that from US imported and spent hours rewiring aussie 14v system to work with it , with custom pcb and then they removed API
lethal ice
which made it well worth the price for that alone, if you went the Lutron route
Nobody has figured out how to gain direct access to and local control of the radios in the Wink hub right? ๐
otherwise all these soon to be bricked hubs would be a nice pre-existing set of radios
clear ferry
Probably shouldn't take many hours for someone knowing what they are doing I guess
orchid rose
Opened discord and the first thing I see is a butt plug. Automating one does sound intriguing though...
rare condor
Yes, I have a joycon which is compatible so I might give it a try
last dirge
...
rare condor
The API supports Joycons
which is horrendous, although some of the other things it supports make me question wtf people are doing
last dirge
teledildonics
scenic radish
I saw that lmao
clear ferry
Norway opening up all school from Monday
rare condor
yeah just use a big folder of txt documents instaed of SQL database
clear ferry
And gradually opening sports
last dirge
do you have year-round school?
I built this view to be fast refreshed but the team responsible for putting test data into it just copies the data from a production system
and they truncate the tables
so I can't fast refresh, I have to tell them to do a complete refresh
last dirge
kinda odd they'd go back to school for 2 weeks
clear ferry
And exams are now
rare condor
I just had my exam yesterday
So many people cheating , literally have discord called "unit name" study and answers cheat group. Not sure what they expected when running remote exams
clever mortar
๐
orchid rose
Yeah the remote exams are a mess I've heard
clear ferry
Wife is doing all her exams online
But it's master grade, so if you cheat you are only cheating yourself tbh
But exams only count like 30% of the grade anyway
gleaming gyro
@rare condor Not locked down of system or web cam?
rare condor
nope 12 hour period to do it because aussie internet is not reliable
but we had to promise to only use 2 hours
and sign a form saying it only took us 2 hours
scenic radish
That's a good call, it's not like people can just lie!
last dirge
SQL SO SLOW
rare condor
They built a program in C to scale marks so we knew what questions to get wrong to make it look not suspicious, we also noted that our lecturer had posted fake answers on stackoverflow and on study sites. There was a coindindated effort by around 125 students out of 200, to work together on cheating.
rare condor
I actually did it myself because I kind of wanted to learn
scenic radish
@last dirge SLOW QUERY LANGUAGE
last dirge
for sho
scenic radish
Just don't do select distinct, problem solved
last dirge
I'm doing exec dbms_mview('viewName', 'complete')
rare condor
But I was impressed the guy or girl who wrote the C program used scaled marks to calculate what we *should get and completed the test to 100% on their own, but its the whole trust thing I feel its suspect someone would go to this effort, may even be lecturer trying to catch people out through highly complex method ๐ค
lethal ice
If I'm using that HassOS vmdk, is that #330944238910963714 or #672217570283094017 ? I was expecting to be able to access a Linux OS but it seems like it's just the HassOS ("ha >" prompt) ?
strange vapor
Anyone used these before? https://www.amazon.co.uk//dp/B07P7F3VJ3/
clever mortar
#330944238910963714 @lethal ice
strange vapor
Pondering how to tidy up some wireing upstairs and wondering if they're worth it.
vast lily
i just heard about wink, wow, just wow
amber bramble
eh, maybe if the platform had any innovation over the last 2 years
rare condor
/s
vast lily
exactly, what is the money even going towards? probably just paying past due server bills and past due salaries
rare condor
yes
vast lily
i doubt they will get enough i would expect a complete shut down within 90 days
will iam seems enough of a moron that he wont open source it either
amber bramble
yeah
vast lily
yeah but he bough it and ran it into the ground, he didnt found wink afaik
vast lily
oh i love his music! i am sure he will spend my clients money well!!!! here is a check for 100 million!! will sign some stuff for my daughter? yes? ok cool, we got a deal!
its sad how people act when celebrities are involved
just like the million dollars mississippi paid farve to do nothing, probably got the guy who gave him the million a cool weekend party with brett or something dumb
supposedly will i am's tech company was receiving huge funding from angels as recently as 2019
rare condor
So who uses wink?
hallow basin
where can I find info on adding things to the left panel on the UI? if I may ask that is.
rare condor
@hallow basin Ask #330944238910963714 or #frontend-archived
clear ferry
@last dirge just do SAP Hana, drop that SQL stuff
last dirge
lol
rare condor
Who is Hana?
hallow basin
thanks Haxxa
rare condor
np
last dirge
will i ain't
clear ferry
Hubs ๐คข
rare condor
suppose so
vast lily
has there been an uptick here since the wink announcement? i suspect the wink crowd is more likely to move to Smartthings or Hubitat after not learning their lesson this time
Hubitat is more likely to go subscription than ST because ST has samsung money
but i would imagine subscription is in the future for all hubs
last dirge
a friend of mine bought a hubitat
clever mortar
Tiny tiny bit
vast lily
you cant sell enough hubs to support the ecosystem
rare condor
I think a lot of people aren't tech savvy enough for HASS and want something consumer, many will come to HASS but many will prefer a consumer option
last plaza
Is $5 a magic number for most subscriptions? Why not $4.99?
rare condor
5 sounds better for marketing
last dirge
marketing psychology says $4.99 is a better price
rare condor
yeah but fiver
last plaza
Wouldnโt that be psychologically smaller number and more attractive to folks?
last dirge
because dumb lizard brain says "ooh, that's $4"
last plaza
๐
vast lily
plus just because someone is tech saavy doesnt mean they will come to HA, i am tech saavy but i kept away from HA for a while because i didnt have time to tinker but now that i have extra time since i cant leave my house, i have time lol
rare condor
fair point
vast lily
$4.95 is the new $4.99
last dirge
when the Wink membership gets changed to $4.97 watch out
rare condor
I still see a lot of stuff offered at 5
last dirge
the dreaded retail "secretly to be discontinued" price
rare condor
I actively avoid things that are .99
vast lily
in the sub $10 range, i dont think the .99 or .95 is as powerful
last plaza
Apparently there is a technique in Walmart price cutdowns. Anytime you see like $4.97, it is supposedly a better deal the. $4.95.
clear ferry
Thank goodness Norway hasn't had 0.01 currency since the 30s
vast lily
its more powerful when its like $499 instead of $500
rare condor
Likewise
clear ferry
We got rid of the 0.10 in the 90s and the 0.5 in 2012
forest edge
Didnt think you could break krones lol
last plaza
Meaning better savings when the sale price ends with 7. Read it somewhere. Never tried to do any research.
rare condor
I wish 5 cents would go away too
vast lily
a retail place i worked at when i was younger used the price as a code, i think .97 meant clearance
last dirge
@vast lily that's the general retail pricing for that
last plaza
I actively avoid things that are .99
@rare condor you donโt have any choice. Everything in stores ends with either 95 cents or 99 cents these days.
clear ferry
What I do when I travel abroad to US or EU countries I keep all the less than 0.10 value coins and put them in a box when I get home, because frankly, they are useless
rare condor
I am going to rename my Fridge: "food netflix"
wet pilot
when the half-penny was retired in the United States, it had the same purchasing power as today's quarter
last plaza
Foodflix
rare condor
@last plaza I don't shop at those store
clear ferry
I currently have probably 2-3 liters of small coins
rare condor
For example take a look at Bunnings in Australia
vast lily
speaking of fridge, when is amazon going to put a nfc on every fresh item they sell an nfc reading fridge so the screen in the front can tell you what is inside and when it expires? because i need that product lol
last plaza
Hard to believe, but ok @rare condor
last dirge
when NFC doesn't suck
rare condor
@last plaza I basically only shop at two stores and everythign else is from aliexpress
vast lily
thjey can use any tech they want, i just need that fridge
rare condor
On aliexpress this is true though
last dirge
it's a banana, Michael. How much could it cost? $10?
rare condor
all end in 95 or 99
last plaza
I currently have probably 2-3 liters of small coins
@clear ferry physical objects are measured in lbs or kilos. Not liters ๐
clear ferry
I only use physical money in two countries these days anyway, UK and US
rare condor
I assume the flower is fake
last plaza
Of course. Real Flowers wonโt survive in that harsh environment
rare condor
Or it only costs penies a day to keep
clever mortar
I only use physical money for buying coffee on my way to work... well, I did
light trout
You growing money over there? ๐ฎ
clear ferry
I haven't used physical money in Norway since.... Probably 2010
shy comet
last plaza
I donโt keep cash on me at all.
clear ferry
Money is so funny in the us
So I always keep probably 50 in one dollar bills on me at all times
rare condor
everything is cardless in Aus even ID
clever mortar
That'll be $4.99, plus two sets of tax you have to just know about
clever mortar
I'll usually have my wallet, just because I'm driving and it has my driving license
clear ferry
Yes, drivers license just became digital in Norway last year
light trout
There is an app for that
last plaza
My phone has pocket for cards. I just take my phone mostly. It also has my drivers license.
rare condor
It has my drivers license, healthcare card, credit card etc
last dirge
@last plaza and it's your key ๐
last plaza
Yep. It is also a key to my car.
rare condor
NFC?
last dirge
BTLE
last plaza
Something like that
light trout
magic
rare condor
lol
last dirge
I got new firmware last night but I haven't been in the car to read the release notes
light trout
๐คฃ
last dirge
@light trout I'm serious though
last plaza
Just updated mine too. I havenโt seen what new features I got. Have been busy in meetings.
light trout
I know, that's what makes it funny ๐
clear ferry
I still remember updating firmware on my car with a dvd I downloaded from the pirate bay
last dirge
might go sit in the car and play Stardew Valley
last plaza
I still remember updating firmware on my car with a dvd I downloaded from the pirate bay
@clear ferry thats ballsy!
last dirge
or watch Netflix
rare condor
I was going to get this because my car doesn't have keyless entry: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1471598794.html I gave up explaining to my insurance company that its coming from Aliexpress
rare condor
Nissan Leaf or Tesla?
last dirge
Tesla
Model 3
which I haven't driven since Sunday
and before that, the Sunday before that
Leafs aren't completely keyless though
rare condor
Much better to get fuel car much cheaper to run as Gas prices are net negative
last plaza
@last dirge I got the cones! ๐คฃ
rare condor
/s
last plaza
No fob. Just the card.
clear ferry
Maybe I'll buy an electric car if they get some decent range on them at some point
last plaza
It is doing navigation data update.
clear ferry
Tesla is the only ones with proper range, but they are shite to drive
last plaza
Never saw that before.
scenic radish
ugh, i've got these old insignia smart plugs that are homekit-compatible but won't stay connected to my network because they can't connect to the discontinued cloud service lol
last plaza
last dirge
@scenic radish nobody's figured a way around taht yet?
clear ferry
Compared to other cars I've driven in the same price range ,they are a disgrace
scenic radish
i discovered they show a captive portal when factory reset, and i can connect them to my network, but when the cloud connection times out the plug disconnects from the network
i grabbed the URL it's trying to talk to so i'm thinking maybe i can fake a DNS entry for it, but i don't know what response it's expecting
last dirge
that's what the Dash buttons did
last plaza
@clear ferry I got 320 mile range. Usually charge up to 280miles.
last dirge
except someone figured out that if they're just blocked from the world that they don't nuke themselves
@last plaza that's like a thousand kilometers
clear ferry
@last plaza the new e-golf gets 300km I think, which is starting to get decent for that sizd
scenic radish
yeah it's weird, it doesn't self-destruct, it just disconnects from the network (i'm assuming because it thinks there's no internet access)
clear ferry
And it's 1/2 of the price of a Tesla, both fully specced
scenic radish
i'm sort of bummed too because i was so excited to find the captive portal lol
not a big deal though. i was refunded for them anyway
homekit controller even finds them once they're connected to the network but won't connect
last dirge
BMW just shitcanned their EV project
last plaza
Never heard of e-golf
last dirge
@last plaza they didn't sell many here
clear ferry
But if I would compare the Tesla full price in Norway without subsidies i would have to compare it to a Ferrari 430 or something
last plaza
That explains it. Any failed products are a massive hit in Norway.
last plaza
lol
clear ferry
Full specced Tesla S is around 80k USD, full specced e golf is around $30k
clear ferry
Retail without subsidies for the Tesla is $180k
last plaza
gotta go to a 3pm meeting! โน๏ธ
last dirge
the ePace is a turd
it's as big as a Model X but has less interior space than the Model 3
clear ferry
Or the ipace, 60k
last dirge
two of my neighbors have iPaces
they're decent looking from the front
but the back is ugly
clear ferry
Or Audi etron, 70k
last dirge
which looks indistinguisable from a Q series
or you could get one of those Ford abortions
clear ferry
Or Merc ecq 70k
last dirge
I don't think that exists outside of europe
last dirge
Leaf still has no active cooling to mitigate issues with fast DC charging
clear ferry
3 series Tesla appears to be going for $57k with all extras these days
last dirge
they only sell the Kona in California here
clear ferry
Or Porsche taycan for $170k
last dirge
LOL
clear ferry
That's with subsidies
last dirge
starting at 100K
they were like "hey Tesla, look at these track times"
then Elon sent a "Plaid" S to the ring and kicked their asses
"but that's not a production car" - Porsche
Christian von Koenigsegg said he's scared of the new Roadster
which says a lot
just need Elon to shut the fuck up and not tweet about the stock
orchid rose
Tesla is so close to being a religion that I'm not sure it should be allowed on this channel ๐
last dirge
only because of subsidies though
clear ferry
If you want comparable in horse power it would probably be closer to $65k
For the petrol one
last dirge
why the hell is that car more expensive in the EU than it is in the US?
orchid rose
Taxes
clear ferry
Because Norway is more expensive for cars
last dirge
are you talking about the R?
last dirge
golf R is 40K in the US
clear ferry
Because you earn $2 per hour
orchid rose
Also keep in mind EU prices are always with taxes and US are without
clear ferry
Also Norway taxes cars based on horse power etc
orchid rose
although the US taxes are small compared to ours
last dirge
with sales tax it's only 43,870
clear ferry
Yes, that hits me every time I buy something in the us
but wait, the price was less on the shelf
Why can't you just put the full price there
orchid rose
Americans are just naturally so good with math they don't have to
last dirge
because the tax isn't the same everywhere
cities can enact a different sales tax to the state sales tax
and state sales tax differs between states
orchid rose
Oh cities can do it as well? I didn't know that, I thought it was just the states
orchid rose
that's a mouthful
last dirge
oh, and counties can do it too
so there's the base rate for the state
county can choose to add on top of that
city can choose to add on top of that
orchid rose
Interesting
last dirge
so if there are two stores of the same chain that are even across the street from one another, they could have a different final price
depending on where in that venn diagram of fuckery they land
oh
lethal ice
Although most places that are geographically near to one another tend to normalize their tax rates as much as possible
last dirge
some states don't even have sales tax
lethal ice
to avoid people driving back and forth to buy things
e.g., Northern Virginia, DC, Maryland
last dirge
some don't have income tax and have higher sales tax to offset that
lethal ice
Or tourist-heavy areas like Orlando, FL, have very high sales tax but low property tax to offset for residents
amber bramble
๐ got my water softener reporting to MQTT
lethal ice
There are going to be so many of us in the coming week(s) that it might make sense to make a temporary wink exodus channel ๐
(Or maybe not.) But I imagine many people will be asking a lot of the same questions about a lot of the same devices.
last dirge
@clever mortar ๐ that's not a bad idea
clever mortar
Yeah, not a bad shout, I'll suggest it to the powers that be
wild grove
awesome cgarwood! what are you using for the serial <>mqtt?
amber bramble
quick and dirty python script
scenic radish
DAMMIT! i got it connected via homekit controller but because it drops off the network it's no use
amber bramble
gonna have to pick up a new pi zero and figure out a way to attach this pins to the board properly
a little concerned with soldering a header to it because i don't want to void the warranty
last dirge
use pogo pins
scenic radish
that's cool you got it communicating
serene mortar
Need some quick docker assistance. I am trying to use docker for rclone-mount, but when I run the docker run command, it changes the owner of the folders to root
serene mortar
Here's the command sudo docker run -d --name rclone-mount --restart=unless-stopped --cap-add SYS_ADMIN --device /dev/fuse --security-opt apparmor:unconfined -e RemotePath="gdrive_psu_crypt:" -e MountCommands="--allow-other --allow-non-empty --read-only --dir-cache-time 672h --vfs-cache-max-age 675h --vfs-read-chunk-size 64M --vfs-read-chunk-size-limit 1G --buffer-size 32M" -e ConfigName="rclone.conf" -u $(id -u):$(id -g) -v /volume1/Misc/Downloads:/config -v /volume1/Media/gdrivepsucrypt:/mnt/mediaefs:shared mumiehub/rclone-mount
when I create the folder gdrivepsucrypt, the owner is admin
serene mortar
after I run the command, it changes to root
last dirge
yeah
amber bramble
@last dirge how do those things work?
last dirge
that's because you're running it as root
wild grove
you may be able to set the uid/gid of the docker container
serene mortar
how would I change that
last dirge
@amber bramble one end pushes down on the copper pad, you solder the other end to something
serene mortar
admin@ds1515:/volume1/Media$ id
uid=1024(admin) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),25(smmsp),101(administrators)
you should change the dockerfile
amber bramble
does it snap onto the copper pad somehow?
last dirge
@amber bramble it's spring loaded
so you'd just have to have something to hold them still at the right angle and keep a little pressure toward the board
amber bramble
ah
serene mortar
what would I change it to?
last dirge
watch this
@serene mortar you can set ownership of mounted drives in the dockerfile
serene mortar
btw, I am running that command as admin user
wild grove
getting out of my depth but in my mosquitto container im setting an environment for puid and gpid
last dirge
but you're running the docker command as root
last dirge
heh, it's a Synology, isn't it?
wild grove
i only skimmed this but - https://docs.linuxserver.io/general/understanding-puid-and-pgid
serene mortar
admin@ds1515:/volume1/Media$ sudo chown admin:users /volume1/Media/gdrivepsu
Password:
chown: changing ownership of โ/volume1/Media/gdrivepsuโ: Read-only file system
admin@ds1515:/volume1/Media$ id $user
uid=1024(admin) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),25(smmsp),101(administrators)
it is synology @last dirge
what I trying to do is mount my remote Google drive on my Synology
and then share it across the network (including my Plex)
I can see the content inside the folder on my NAS, but when I share the folder gdrivepsu (using nfs), I see empty folder
I am thinking it is due to permission issues
serene mortar
ls works on NAS ```
admin@ds1515:/volume1/Media/gdrivepsu/Ebooks$ ls
Springer_Books
sure, but the NAS has both sides of the equation
serene mortar
true
last dirge
this is way outside of what I've done
I've only shared stuff that's physically on the NAS
serene mortar
you are on Synology?
last dirge
yeah, have an older DS1512
you're not wanting to duplicate your gdrive stuff on your NAS?
clear ferry
Just use rclone @serene mortar
last dirge
I think it's 7 or 8 years old now
serene mortar
ahh...that is exactly what I am after
This is the command that I am using to mount the folder https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/397426163649216512/708039757761871884
my problem is my Plex (Docker) is not running on my NAS. So, what I was trying to do is mount the gdrive on NAS and share it to Plex
I have other folders from NAS that I am sharing to Plex and they work fine (but they also have local content)
clear ferry
I do this one liner on freenas to mount it rclone mount gsuitebackupplex-crypt: /media/plexgsuitecrypt/ --allow-other --allow-non-empty --cache-db-purge --buffer-size 64M --dir-cache-time 2m --drive-chunk-size 16M --timeout 1h --vfs-cache-mode minimal --vfs-read-chunk-size 128M --vfs-read-chunk-size-limit 1G --vfs-cache-max-age 1h --vfs-cache-mode writes --cache-tmp-upload-path /mnt/Storage/eirikz/cache-rclone &
The mount itself is already defined in rclone
serene mortar
and then you are able to share the folder across the network?
last dirge
@serene mortar the Diskstation shits the bed if it has to transcode ๐
clear ferry
I just present it directly to the Plex jail
serene mortar
yeah...DS is terrible to run Plex on
clear ferry
Never tried sharing it via SMB or anything
serene mortar
so you are running the command on the same device that is running Plex? @clear ferry
serene mortar
inside a jail meaning?
may be I should just run that command directly instead of using docker for rclone mount
hearty depot
They are basicaly croots
serene mortar
well...that is well above my paygrade ๐
--dir-cache-time 2m isn't that too less?
clear ferry
@hearty depot not really
hearty depot
yea really - but croot is easyer to grasp
clear ferry
@serene mortar works fine here
serene mortar
I was worried about exhausting API calls and getting errors
amber bramble
Received {"command":112} for TOPIC : $aws/things/<mac>/valvecomm/devControl no way this thing is hitting a higher-up mqtt server is it?
hmm
clear ferry
@serene mortar I only use it for less watched shows I want to keep
wild grove
it may be, my bridge from my powercompany uses mqtt
i subscribe to a topic on their bridge. pretty sure its how the mobile app gets the data too
probably using aws' offering
clear ferry
@hearty depot `A Linux "chroot environment" is just whatย /ย resolves to for a single process. Anything the process can do with access to that tree, it can do. So in general it can (e.g.) enumerate other processes on the system, and if it is a "root" process, it can still take over the machine.
A FreeBSD jail, on the other hand, is more like a virtual machine than a Linux chroot jail. It is a partition of the system with its own file system, user accounts, etc. The root user inside the jail only has administrative access to other objects in the jail; it cannot access anything outside of its jail.`
hearty depot
Thanks for digging that out ๐
clever mortar
Jails are cousins to Docker (ish)
velvet horizonBOT
clear ferry
hearty depot
dang I cant just copy the nextcloud www data and move the container to another host
clear ferry
@hearty depot almost
I've migrated once
It wasn't too bad
I moved from a VM to a jail
hearty depot
Its nothing on it anyway - I just got my 'old' server grandpa. just convinient to share docs.
But the container either complains that the user and the role existing already (yea, the whole point USE THEM! ) Or its ignoring the database and let me set up a new admin 
Boa - got a slight pulse elevation in their forum. everywhere (to often) you read jea - just do chmod 777
clear ferry
How deep oil wells really are - https://i.redd.it/alf3b8xmqcx41.jpg
forest edge
shocking part is that 20k ft of dust managed to settle on that t-rex corpse over this period of time
scenic radish
hubitat jacked up their price, probably as a result of the news from wink lmao
last plaza
Thatโs illegal! Did they hire Martin Shkreli as their CEO?
clear ferry
forest edge
@scenic radish it's cause they changed the hardware
scenic radish
66 pings, wtf
clear ferry
scenic radish
@forest edge ah, didn't know that. so it's just a coinkidink
forest edge
original didn't have z-wave and zigbee built in etc
scenic radish
this is such an obvious final cash grab before wink goes out of business
just hoping they don't offer an annual plan...
wild grove
thats probably why they didnt
wild grove
too true
last dirge
boooo, superscript doesn't work
scenic radish
i do find it funny the number of "just bought a smartthings hub" i've seen as though the same exact thing might not happen with that
forest edge
samsung is a slightly bigger company lol
wet pilot
eh, they've given up on services before
forest edge
yea cause cassette tape went out of favor
scenic radish
anyone remember minidisc players?
quartz moth
sure
scenic radish
i loved that thing
quartz moth
๐
last dirge
I thought that was sony
scenic radish
yeah, it was sony. i wasn't saying it was sammy
forest edge
lazerdisc
quartz moth
LD haha
last dirge
RCA had an optical disk too
quartz moth
that is a plate ๐
forest edge
so many media types came and gone
quartz moth
i miss the DAT deliveries ๐
clear ferry
Damnit Colin Robinson
scenic radish
RIP HD-DVD
forest edge
atx 8 track is still going strong in norway tho so i hear
last dirge
it was popular when he was a teenager
clear ferry
You jest, but doctors can still opt to get medical records on floppy @forest edge
forest edge
lol
scenic radish
why be floppy when you can be hard?
clear ferry
scenic radish
i shit you not there was a poster that said that in my high school's computer lab lmao
quartz moth
worm drive ^^
forest edge
lol 5" vs 3"
wild grove
ahem 5.25 vs 3.5
last dirge
I made a clock out of an old 5.25" Bigfoot hard drive back in the day
quartz moth
where are all the lochkarten xD
last dirge
used the heads as the hands of the clock
forest edge
@scenic radish nothing wrong at all as long as you are ok with your girl going elsewhere for the Grand Sauce