the-water-cooler

[last dirge]

also online only

[last plaza]

ah! not sure you can integrate with HA

[last dirge]

they're IP cameras

I'd be absolutely shocked if you couldn't

[last plaza]

I guess you can use generic cameras

[last dirge]

my DAHUA bullet cameras work with HA

[forest edge]

I would go back to the 80's if i could https://youtu.be/AQLbxAhg1UM

[clear ferry]

@last dirge my $20 cameras work fine with ha, that would only be $240

[last dirge]

you've got 4K cameras with color "night vision" for $20?

[clear ferry]

No, but do I need it?

1080 is good enough for me, I can read licence plates in my driveway at night

[fathom sparrow]

why would you need 4k cameras?

[last dirge]

more information is more better

[fathom sparrow]

yeah but if you want to do antying useful with the images good luck getting a computer that can do it

throw real time recognition right out the window

waste of money that would be

[last dirge]

it's for CCTV

and the CCTV hardware can do all of that

[fathom sparrow]

and that all goes for crazy amounts of money

[clear ferry]

[last dirge]

it's not all that expensive

[clear ferry]

It probably films on 4k but analyses on 720 or less

[fathom sparrow]

yeah, no way it's doing 4k

for perspective, I work in an industry where we do live image processing. Computers cannot handle 4k yet.

maybe at 2 or 3 fps with a few second delay

even then, customers always say ef it and perform things with pixel packing

so it goes faster

[last dirge]

for motion purposes, lower resolution is fine

for identification purposes, higher resolution is better

[clear ferry]

For your eyes, not for AI

[last dirge]

"here you go officer, here's video of the guy that broke into my car"

"thanks, good thing I'm not a computer or I couldn't process this"

aaaand scene

[fathom sparrow]

yah, we pixel pack pretty much all of our images when performing measurements and we measure items sub micron.

I think you've read too many sifi novels

a micron is 1/1000th of a millimeter btw just to give you some perspective. You don't need resolution that you say. Maybe in 10 years when processing power is greater, but in the current day in age, everything is optimized to work with shitty images.

[last plaza]

I connect my camera feed to my TV, it looks great with higher quality cameras, not so much on crappy cameras like web cams.

when I look at my TV, sometimes it feels I'm really looking outside - amazing quality, and we love it

we can see around the house without stepping out

[last dirge]

@fathom sparrow you're completely missing what I'm saying

[last plaza]

crystal clear quality

[last dirge]

if there's a still image of a person

4K has SIGNIFICANTLY more pixels that make up that person

I don't care about processing it, computers doing anything but writing the stream to disk

there's more stored information in an image so if you zoom it doesn't look like a Minecraft player

[fathom sparrow]

you still don't need 4k... 5mp is more than enough

[last dirge]

that's its use

[last plaza]

4k is about 8.5 mega pixels

[last dirge]

when I bought the 3MP cameras at my house 7 years ago, that was "more than enough"

and it was close to top of the line then

so if I were to upgrade, it'd not make sense to try to get a little future proofing

[fathom sparrow]

by all mean, spend your money on 4k and the harddrives to store it

[last dirge]

@last plaza 4K is 33MP

[fathom sparrow]

8.5 mp

not 33mp

[last plaza]

4K (3840 x 2160 or 4096 x 2160) is about 8.5 megapixels.

[last dirge]

sorry did the calcs for 8K

[last plaza]

real-time processing of high resolution images can take time - I like realtime viewing of camera feed on my TV, and use lower resolution for processing

[clever mortar]

Yup, I use the low res feed from my camera for motion detection, and the high res for recording

[last dirge]

@clever mortar how did the part of a stove where the gas comes out and you sit a pot get the name of "hob"?

[clever mortar]

English probably stole a word that sounded vaguely similar from some other language

[last dirge]

well, it's a British English thing

everybody I know calls it a burner

[clever mortar]

Hob

[last dirge]

which is a lot more German-like

[clever mortar]

The word is a noun meaning approximately "holder", derived from the Old English verb habban "to have, hold"

[clear ferry]

Nörwęgiân probably

[last dirge]

German's very literal

[clever mortar]

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/694108-the-problem-with-defending-the-purity-of-the-english-language

[clear ferry]

I found it easier to build a stand-in for video conferencing than to make myself presentable every day. - https://i.redd.it/97xfwt8iq7p41.jpg

[last plaza]

except the color of he beard, everything else looks correct

[clear ferry]

@clever mortar just saw this relevant on reddit now https://i.redd.it/skwrkn6nq8p41.jpg

[clever mortar]

🤣

[fathom sparrow]

@clear ferry why did you post 2 pictures of yourself?

[clever mortar]

The one on the left is a life like dummy

[fathom sparrow]

Ah ok, that makes sense

[clever mortar]

He's done a cracking job of it too

[clear ferry]

@fathom sparrow if I only could grow a beard

I know 12yo girls with more beards and mustache than me

[last plaza]

I am growing beard now - thanks to coronavirus!

no office, no need to shave!

[clear ferry]

The stubble I get looks like a child's representation of a beard in pictures

So my wife tells me to shave it

So I don't look like a hobo

[last plaza]

lol - hard part is the itching - takes time to get used to it and pass that phase

[dawn pier]

anyone interested in a razberry v2? I have one laying here and will never use it. Preferrably any Canadians easier to ship

and its free.. not trying to sell anything.. just cover shipping

[last dirge]

@tidal bronze you do any smart garden stuff yet?

[safe vale]

^ that's something i want to do

monitor plant growth, moisture, exposure, etc

[last dirge]

just got word my county issued a shelter in place order so I'll have a lot of tinkering time soon

and I have a week off when I was supposed to be on vacation

[clear ferry]

I'm hopefully building my smart greenhouse this year

[last dirge]

have you found a reasonably priced moisture sensor?

[clear ferry]

Air or soil?

I have three different soil ones I'm going to test

And two different air ones

[clever mortar]

For air, the Xiaomi ones are pretty well priced

[last dirge]

soil

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33032034387.html those look better than the PCB-based one

[tidal bronze]

@last dirge just the rainmachine nothing else yet. I want to add the soil sensor but the state run irrigation weather station is less that .5 miles from my place and rainmachine reads from that api direct. So far pretty good.

[low harness]

I recently introduced a motion sensor in my office, so the lights turn on when I enter if it's dark outside.
Guys, I don't know if you know this already, but this Automation thing you can do with hass is really kind of neat!

I can definitely get used to this

[last dirge]

@low harness did you write YAML or use the UI to create the automation?

[low harness]

The UI

[last dirge]

then you have no idea how much cooler it is now than it was a year ago 🙂

[tidal bronze]

Yes its neat indeed. Wait till you make your entire house motion and tensor base.

[shy comet]

motion lights is one of those things you never knew you needed until you ahve it

[tidal bronze]

Can't live without it

[shy comet]

very easy to get used to it

[clever mortar]

Same with illuminance sensor triggered lights

[tidal bronze]

Lux is crucial for my use case.

[clever mortar]

Our living room lights are never turned on manually now

[shy comet]

i still need to do lux

[clever mortar]

(or off)

[clear ferry]

Gratz on 100k USA btw

[calm marten]

No kidding. I’ll go to a hotel or someone else’s house and walk into a room and wait because the lights didn’t turn on and I’m confused

[tidal bronze]

@shy comet do diy.

[low harness]

I do, actually. I restarted my setup the other week, and have tried most things now. Yaml, python_scripts, appdaemon and gui to automate my decoration lights.

[shy comet]

@tidal bronze really with ESP and all that? eh

[low harness]

GUI is best by far.

[last dirge]

@dull chasm do you have any low-voltage DC gear with your fishtank setup?

[tidal bronze]

@shy comet yep one wemos/node and bh1750

You are good to go

[clear ferry]

@last dirge I'm using a lot of 12v relays and valves with my greenhouse

[last dirge]

were they cheap?

[tidal bronze]

Most battery ones are 5 minutes that's too slow for me. I update at 60 seconds much more granular control in the evening @shy comet

[clear ferry]

@last dirge AliExpress, so yes

[shy comet]

looking on amazon for it

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze 60 second on soil moisture?

[tidal bronze]

Lux

[forest edge]

oh lol

[tidal bronze]

Every light automation has lux condition and a trigger as well to turn off

[clever mortar]

I like Z-Wave sensors for being able to have them update on interval and step change

[tidal bronze]

Mqtt ftw update at 1 sec if you want to 😀

[last plaza]

No kidding. I’ll go to a hotel or someone else’s house and walk into a room and wait because the lights didn’t turn on and I’m confused
@calm marten it’s the opposite reaction when guests come to our place!

[clear ferry]

Ooof https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fq5jfx/-/floqtr6

[last plaza]

I can’t get any Wemos or esps for a month or so.

[tidal bronze]

@last plaza I am still trying to fully automate guest scenarios without the minimotes

[last plaza]

AliExpress or gearbest I assume will take even longer

[clear ferry]

@tidal bronze the Xiaomi motion one can be hacked to update every 5 second I saw, going to try it out later

[tidal bronze]

Saw that but no lux

[clear ferry]

It updates lux on motion, so if you are in the room it will update though

[tidal bronze]

Lux and motion which model?

[shy comet]

@tidal bronze these guys? https://www.amazon.com/HiLetgo-GY-302-BH1750-Intensity-Illumination/dp/B00M0F29OS/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=bh1750&qid=1585343793&sr=8-1

[tidal bronze]

Yep

[shy comet]

wow delivery by tuesday

[last plaza]

New shopping trend on TV is that folks are buying tops but not pants or socks... I guess for video conferencing you don’t need pants.

[tidal bronze]

There you go @shy comet

[shy comet]

nice to know amazon considers this essential LOL

meanwhile a PoE camera on prime comes in may ahhaah

[tidal bronze]

Flash esp-easy 2 minutes

[last plaza]

Does it have light/photo sensor?

[tidal bronze]

that's the light sensor

[shy comet]

oh ive been a fan of esphome lately lol

[last plaza]

Gives you lux value?

[tidal bronze]

Yes sir

That's what I have all around the place 🙂

[last plaza]

You connect to wemo d1 mini or something?

[shy comet]

im using a Motion sensor that reports Lux in the cat box LOL

[tidal bronze]

yep any esp

[shy comet]

motion to tell me how busy the litter box is

and lux to reset the count when the box sees light lol

[forest edge]

New shopping trend on TV is that folks are buying tops but not pants or socks... I guess for video conferencing you don’t need pants.
@last plaza online interviews in suit top and tie with underwear

[last plaza]

Except at night, I don’t mind turning lights on at home when I walk in. Especially bedrooms. .

[shy comet]

looks like the wife wants to watch Tiger King on netflix tonight due to the craze lately

[tidal bronze]

You don't have motion rooms @last plaza ?

Tiger king is nuts. Love it @shy comet

[last plaza]

@shy comet watched it already. Crazy documentary i would say

[clear ferry]

I don't even bother wearing something else than sweatpants when I conf call with four manager levels above me

[shy comet]

nice well watch it tonight then

[clear ferry]

Or else than my Rick and Morty shirt

[last plaza]

@tidal bronze I do. Got plenty. That’s why I don’t need lux sensor as I always turn on lights when I walk into the rooms.

[tidal bronze]

oh without light level ?

[shy comet]

@last plaza thats waht i thought too but having lights on at 100% late at night isnt fun lol

[last plaza]

Yep.

That’s the only part I don’t like. In the bathrooms at night. I need to work on that

[tidal bronze]

Won't work at my place upstairs pretty bright only few hours of lights needed.

[shy comet]

yea tahts what i plan to do with the lux sensor

during day id like lights to be brigher but at night not so much

[tidal bronze]

Nice

[shy comet]

i guess i coudl follow elevation

but some rooms get more sunlight than others

[tidal bronze]

If you add one outdoor and get baseline Vs inside areas. That's what I do.

[last plaza]

The Bh1750s are available. Wemos is not. I have to wait for a month

[shy comet]

i have a bloomsky outside lol

[tidal bronze]

But you need live updates almost.

[clever mortar]

https://github.com/claytonjn/hass-circadian_lighting/ is worth a look too

[shy comet]

yea its closer to 10

[last plaza]

@shy comet got bloom energy?

[clever mortar]

One option it has is to adjust brightness according to elevation

[tidal bronze]

That's something I am looking into @clever mortar interesting indeed

[shy comet]

@last plaza more like bloom free 😛

[last plaza]

lol

[shy comet]

i need to dig into circadian more

[clever mortar]

I use it for colour temperature, where it's pretty awesome

[clear ferry]

I run it for all my lights

Both brightness and colour temp

[tidal bronze]

This means suns hitting the main kitchen area direct. No lights needed 🙂

[shy comet]

anyone got a simple example of circadian lights with elevation?

[clever mortar]

https://github.com/claytonjn/hass-circadian_lighting/ 😛

Default setting does that automatically

[velvet horizon]

@shy comet RTFM is a well known phrase, used when someone hasn't taken time to read the documentation. Please take time to Read The $%#@ Manual - author unknown.

Command '.rtfm' was invoked by: skalavala

[last plaza]

lol

It looks fairly simple

[tidal bronze]

I wish I wired lux sensors in ceiling to get ambient light levels at night. One of these days.

[last plaza]

Lux sensors should be ground level IMO

[tidal bronze]

I have ground level but with LED read slightly off

[last plaza]

Don’t care if it is bright on the ceiling, I need it to be bright enough where I walk 😝

[tidal bronze]

I want the 0 to 50 range

[clever mortar]

You don't dance on the ceiling?

[last plaza]

You don't dance on the ceiling?
@clever mortar only during week days

[clever mortar]

https://giphy.com/gifs/dancing-cinema-qWwPCtrzMQiis

[tidal bronze]

LMAO. I want reflected light level.

[last plaza]

Especially when I work from home

[tidal bronze]

If you have a ground level lux sensor and you turn on 6 or 8 led's the reading is pointless. @last plaza once you get the sensors going you will find out more 😉

[last plaza]

I don’t think I will ever get there given my list of projects todo list

[tidal bronze]

Don't have a list be spontaneous 🙂

[last plaza]

only if the Wemos are delivered spontaneously 🤣

[tidal bronze]

lol

[last plaza]

Jeff Bezos is asking for donations now. I don’t understand

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-amazon-jeff-bezos-relief-fund-covid-19-billionaire-net-worth-a9422236.html

[clever mortar]

Without donations he'll need to reach into petty cash

[last plaza]

He is a T-Rex!

Short hands, and deep pockets!

[tidal bronze]

epic

Finally done planting roses. I need to find something to do next week.

[hushed basalt]

Mulch!!!

Get some soil cover, stat

[tidal bronze]

Controlled access at HD so had to come back.

[last plaza]

@tidal bronze nice job! How much did you get paid for that? 🤣

HD does home delivery

[tidal bronze]

I was there yesterday no one was around but today packed.

But might order online tonight.

[last plaza]

They usually have a separate entrance for garden stuff

[tidal bronze]

That's exit only today. Sucks. I have 2 more around my place going to check later in the evening

[hushed basalt]

Wear a high vis vest and hold a clipboard

And just walk straight in

[shy comet]

man your being active @tidal bronze ive been even lazier lately lol

im actually waiting on our artichokes to be ready to pick....any day now

[tidal bronze]

Lol. I rarely do garden work other than lights etc. But this is good to get my mind off stuff.

[last plaza]

We have to wait until mid-May before we start planting

[tidal bronze]

Gardners were here today and dudes were cracking up looking at me with the shovel

[last plaza]

lmao

[shy comet]

hahah

[strange vapor]

Conservatively, there's probably have a million damn cables and adapters in the house... Of course, the once cable or adapter I need? Nope!

[brisk glen]

Lol

[hushed basalt]

I hate how much of a flop usb-c has become

You have usb A to usb C: [charging only, usb 2, usb 3, usb 3.1, quick charge 3,] , usb c to usb c , [charging only, PD, usb 2, usb 3, usb 3.1, thunderbolt,]

It was supposed to be one cable to rule them all!

https://media.tenor.com/images/3ece59c94cce1d05ad6808ef8b5e049c/tenor.gif

[rain swift]

it's technology, everything is outdated in a few years.

is anyone in here actually using the Circadian Lighting?

[forest edge]

@hushed basalt so buy an adapter for each non usb c port and presto.. one cable

[tidal bronze]

@shy comet any ATMOS movie recommendations ?

[shy comet]

havent seen much lately @tidal bronze asides from star wars and onward

[dull chasm]

doctor sleep ....sublte but that sound engineer is a champ

@tidal bronze

I was not real impressed with star wars tbh

[tidal bronze]

Thanks. I will check it out.

[forest edge]

renaming the homeassistant channel to supervised makes it sound as if that's where you go to ask how to install HA lol

[rain swift]

eh, I never go into those areas anyways.

[left valve]

Hey guys do you know how to configure areas.

In configuration.yaml

Not gui?

Since like there's not much documentation

Seems*

[rain swift]

why don't you want to do it in the gui?

[left valve]

Well I'd like to have it written. in case my instance get's nuked I have it right there writtern

Makes it more survivable to disasters 😄

@rain swift that's why

[rain swift]

the gui just writes the config for you....

[clear ferry]

@rain swift I've used circadian lighting for years

@left valve last time I looked at it hasscli looked like the best option,but that was sometime last year

[rain swift]

Might check it out, but first I've got something going on in node red I believe where something in my flow is failing or something because I have a motion sensor that turns a light on, and an input Boolean that blocks it when the Boolean is off, but more than once now the damn light has mysteriously come on and it's only happened with lights that have a motion sensor and similar flow

[clear ferry]

I've used f.lux on my machines for 10 years too, great product

[clear ferry]

Relevant video of what my wife does when some lights stop working in our house

https://v.redd.it/rf0f9fa5q9p41

https://i.redd.it/mgfnb4tu8bp41.jpg

[frank elk]

☕ 🙂

[clear ferry]

[tame cove]

hi guys , slightly offtopic ,but i wonder what ya all are using for SSL ? I'm thinking about an alternative for duckdns , something wtih a longer life time

[clever mortar]

DuckDNS != SSL

DuckDNS is DNS, nothing more

[tame cove]

oops

[clever mortar]

But, why does the DNS TTL concern you?

[tame cove]

right now i update this manually every 2.5 months, it works fine but if i could find somethign with a longer TTL , that would be great

lazy XD

i'm thinking about something that wanrs me so that i wont forget to update it anymore

[clever mortar]

Manually update the SSL certificate I'm guessing

Not the DNS

[tame cove]

yes

[clever mortar]

If you're using LetsEncrypt (I suspect you are) then that's a bug in the software/add-on/whatever you're using

[tame cove]

yes - i'm indeed using LEtsEncrypt

on a synology

and HA in a docker container

[clever mortar]

What are you using for the certificate update then? Nothing?

How do you get it?

[tame cove]

i'm using the synology build-in config tool

i can make a screenshot for you , but its in the config - certificate interface of synology

[clever mortar]

You could then buy an SSL certificate and only do this once every year or two

However, you'd be better off automating this, and #672217570283094017 may be able to help you there

[tame cove]

Thank you ! yes hmm you brought me on an idea , maybe a docker , just for updating the SSL every week / month

[clever mortar]

If you're using the right container, you can just have it handle that

[vale rock]

I'm confused, was there not a #frontend-archived channel under support? I can no longer see it

[dull chasm]

click the arrow its stil there

🤣 np

[clear ferry]

https://open.spotify.com/album/0IZQ2apCWGMsjuOFSoSXN1?si=lp4xWsrASuWb0x1psb0iIA

[late gate]

On a NUC (or any non pi hardware) what strategy would you run. 1. have all home related resources on the box like mysql, influx, zwave, mqtt etc. and backup the box to a NAS and or external backup or 2. run just ha (in any form) on the box and use a network shared mysql, influx etc hosted on an external server.

[dull chasm]

docker containers on same machine if it has enough resources

[late gate]

yeah I was kinda thinking the same. Im using an I3 nuc and with hassio on a ubuntu core with influx, mysql etc its using 2 of 16gb ram, 20gb of 256 m2 drive and around 3-4% cpu so seem like its best to just isolate all home related things, though that produce a single point of failure

[hushed basalt]

You'll always have single point of failures in a home setup

You'll need redundant power supplies, switches, routers, modems, wans, servers, utilities to have no single point of failure

[late gate]

yeah that is true

[hushed basalt]

Just put everything on one computer

I run a dozen containers on a synology nas with a quad core 1.6ghz atom

And 8gb of ram

[clear ferry]

Just do two machines,with their own synced storage, one hot, one cold, spin up on second host when doing maintenance on first, easy redundant setup, and in reality the same commands on both to start the docker containers

Second host doesn't even have to be as powerful as the first since it will only be used for limited amount of time

@hushed basalt you don't have redundant switches at home?

[late gate]

so for example run the I3 as a full smarthome entity with backup and if that fails just spin up a backup on my unraid?

[clear ferry]

Sure

Docker is docker for the most part, I don't know unraid though

[late gate]

yeah same thing. primary using it for my NAS with docker plex, sonarr etc, but not sure if I want to run the smarthome on the nas

as default

[clear ferry]

It doesn't care if it is running on a Linux MacBook or a Superdome flex as a VMware instance

[late gate]

@clear ferry on a non related issue. on vmware, can you with a regular nvidia card split GPU to multiple VM instead of having to hardware pass the whole thing to one VM?

[clear ferry]

Not that I know of, that is a feature of grid, and similar cards

And requires enterprise plus licensing

[hushed basalt]

I wouldn't give plex a card

Transcoding is the devil

[clear ferry]

I'm just waiting for it to be supported on freenas, then I'll move my old desktop GPU there

[hushed basalt]

I'm thinking of turning my desktop into a server

And change to my laptop as primary

Doesn't look like I'll be taking the laptop out of the home for a while

[clear ferry]

I've done the second part

[late gate]

@hushed basalt Im dedicating the cpu gpu to plex transcoding as of now through docker - works well

[hushed basalt]

I think it's a good solution to the wrong problem

I never transcode anything

[late gate]

I hardly transcode though

[hushed basalt]

It makes everything look like poo

[late gate]

yeah I never run plex externally or on the phone so no real need to transcode

[hushed basalt]

I share my plex to my mum without transcoding

[late gate]

or need for subtitles, that enable transcoding

[hushed basalt]

Nah it doesn't

[late gate]

oh I though it burn them in

[hushed basalt]

Plex were always shit with subtitles. They're still not great

But they've got better

Normal subs shouldn't burn in. Plex are just lazy and don't care about accessibility

So they just made them burn in rather than figuring out how to stream text

[late gate]

I just find it sad plex is just ignoring the customers

[hushed basalt]

But i watch subtitles on everything

[late gate]

if emby just made the UI as nice as plex on appletv and shield I would change

[hushed basalt]

I have only been using plex frontend for a year now

Used to use infuse or openPHT

Plex app still isn't very good but it's inbuilt on my tv and saves running a apple TV

[late gate]

its still the best UI and WAF

[hushed basalt]

Infuse on appletv is better

[late gate]

yes I guess that can sync plex too now

not used influx for about a year

cause of direct play

[hushed basalt]

Yeah it's only single account but it's really sleek

[late gate]

regardless for what its worth I just wish plex started to communicate and start listening

like the unwatched does not update, so you have to change filter to update it. A bug that has been reported for a year unfixed

[hushed basalt]

Hehe

They really just don't care

Bad product managers or something my guess

[late gate]

I just think its bad marked strategy

people would be more forgiving if they communicate

[hushed basalt]

Don't have time for thay

They have features like VR to develop !

🤢

[late gate]

yeah thats sad, but at least its still working well enough I keep it

[hushed basalt]

https://open.spotify.com/track/2k1yPYf9WGA4LiqcLVwtzn?si=l4SI7h8JRQiw2Vxlwe23-Q

A lot of queen songs seem pandemic appropriate

Don't stop me now

[low harness]

It's crazy how many of their songs have their own wikipedia page...

[hushed basalt]

Let's get I'm in love with my car to trend on spotify

There are dozens of us.. dozens!

[clear ferry]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6a0bGgN3heaoN211kvpCEz?si=BCGcOsxIQGqqG2yW97AQeA

One of my favourites

[last plaza]

@hushed basalt another one - who wants to live forever...

[hushed basalt]

By the way where is @scenic radish

Haven't seen many giphys on here for a few days

[last plaza]

Seen him around

First time this year temperatures going up to 75f. Exciting! Time to clean up garage.

.f2c 75

[velvet horizon]

:thermometer:

Fahrenheit To Celsius

75 degrees fahrenheit = 23.89 degrees celsius!

[last plaza]

@tidal bronze Watch Knives Out movie. Watched it last night with family (4K). It was great. Not much ATMOS in there though.

[amber bramble]

apparently my old influxdb version was 1.1 (influx is up to 1.7 now) and i can't seem to get it to import my data into my new server 😦

[fathom sparrow]

@last plaza that was the easiest convince yet. I just watched like 15 seconds of the trailer and I'm sold

I don't know why, but I love murder mystery movie comedies

[dull chasm]

@last plaza yea knives out .....the sound guy was not that good

but the guy on Doctor Sleep is amazing

[last plaza]

@fathom sparrow my kids loved it. Not too much violence and good murder suspense.

They have been a big fan of Sherlock Holmes being kids, they are currently reading those books.

@dull chasm haven’t watched doctor sleep yet. Added to my list.

[dull chasm]

Its awesome with subtle details in atmos (like shit something came from the left middle ceiling) if you have a full 7.2.4 setup

[last plaza]

Spring cleaning @wild lark 🤣

Don’t even know where to start

@dull chasm I only have 5.1 setup ☹️

[dull chasm]

STEP UP

[last plaza]

Too lazy and too late to set things up in the basement now. Summer is ahead, mostly spend time outdoors.

[dull chasm]

audio is 1st ...life is second ....come on

@last plaza one day i will get on @tidal bronze 's level

[last plaza]

My garage surveillance system sitting on heater 😝

It’s been running for years so well, I built it long time ago with a web cam. Never bothered to change it.

@last plaza one day i will get on @tidal bronze 's level
@dull chasm I don’t know if I want to go DOWN to that level 😝

lol

[dull chasm]

shit down? his atmos speakers alone prolly cost more than my mains

[tidal bronze]

@last plaza I did watch knives out. Interesting. 😄

[late gate]

does ha have a foldingathome team?

[last plaza]

@late gate no idea what that means. Guessing no.

[late gate]

Found it, yes it is: https://stats.foldingathome.org/team/247478

its the use free power to battle corona

[last plaza]

Hmm..

[dull chasm]

@tidal bronze watch Doctor Sleep yet?

[tidal bronze]

No yet.....can't watch TV anymore 🙂

[dull chasm]

WHAT?

[tidal bronze]

Not used to staying home this much lol

[dull chasm]

i completly understand .... I am sitting in my unit when at work going stir crazy

[last plaza]

Look what I found @rain swift

It’s a magnifying lens that you hand over your neck and it has an led ... never knew I had it 🤣

Finding treasures as I clean my garage

[rain swift]

interesting, I'm still on the hunt for a table lamp one

unless someone makes a headlamp one that will actually work with big glasses, haha.

[last plaza]

Order it from harbor freight

[rain swift]

well the one they have is 1.75, i'd kinda like a little more, like the 3.5x lense from that headband one I'm sending back was nice. I seen a few on amazon. but some people were saying they weren't really 4x, crooks lol.

[clear ferry]

https://media.tenor.com/images/a9570f37949668eaaca6476bed154bb1/tenor.gif

[gaunt pawn]

Wohoo! Installed HA this morning, got a Z-Wave USB stick and a Fibaro motion detector, and just now I successfully tested my first automation. I can see how this can get addicting 🙂

[clear ferry]

@gaunt pawn wait until you have 150+ devices

[rain swift]

i'd love to know what you have, that equals 150+

not sayin' I don't believe you, I'm just curious lol.

[gaunt pawn]

Yeah, my wallet is not happy. I've already collected Hue lights for years, but now I'm expanding. Next up is impulse switch for garage door and possibly window screen control.

[clever mortar]

I've got about 70 between Zigbee and Z-Wave, and I've barely started

[rain swift]

@gaunt pawn look into cheap chinese stuff you can throw tasmota on lol

@clever mortar you have barely started?

[clever mortar]

Time vs expenditure 😉

I've only made one room actually smart-ish

[rain swift]

uhh

1 room, 70 devices

[clever mortar]

Every external door and all the windows have a sensor

[rain swift]

I have to see an over-view

lol

check

[clever mortar]

Plus motion sensors and humidity sensors

[rain swift]

check and check

[clever mortar]

https://github.com/DubhAd/Home-AssistantConfig/wiki/lovelace-ui-floorplan overview 😉

[clear ferry]

@rain swift I'm getting close to 80 ZigBee, 10 WiFi, 15 433, and playstation, appletv, two heatpumps, some amplifiers, some smart speakers, some DIY esp lights and all the devices I monitor on the network, so probably in the 150 range I guess

[rain swift]

nice

[clear ferry]

When my greenhouse will be done that'll be probably 30 devices just in there

[tidal bronze]

I am yet to add up total devices in the house 🙂

[rain swift]

what are you using for your bed occupation?

[clever mortar]

I only really have a number for Zigbee and Z-Wave, everything else is stuff

[tidal bronze]

Yep. Stuff not calculated here as well.

[rain swift]

stuff, hahaha

[clever mortar]

TVs, smart media players, Google Homes, TVs, etc etc etc etc etc

[tidal bronze]

I think about 140 zwave, 40 zigbee, 95+ esp

[rain swift]

pow

I wanna see quad's setup

[tidal bronze]

🙂

I wanna see quad's setup
@rain swift when you keep on adding devices for 10 years honestly it's not much

[gaunt pawn]

My excuse for starting with HA was that I had an old Intel NUC on my desk. It was already running Ubuntu server and Docker, so I wanted to see how much work it would be to set up a container with HA. As it turns out, not much work at all. Now I have a new use for my old NUC and something to do while at home due to reduced hours at work. 🙂

[tidal bronze]

@clever mortar why only one room?

[clever mortar]

Well, I've made two others partially smart, but it's been a case of electrician required

[tidal bronze]

Oh

[clever mortar]

I need to get neutrals run, and that requires negotiating with the better half

Also, if I'm gonna do that, I want to run in network cables, which requires a bit more negotiation 😄

[tidal bronze]

lol.

[clever mortar]

So, mostly it's sensors so far, but "just" that makes a massive difference

[tidal bronze]

GE/Jasco is coming up with no-neutral stuff but if you need cat might as well.

[clever mortar]

Well, I could try those, but at 240V I'm pretty sure they'll fail spectacularly 😄

[tidal bronze]

Yes with dimmers

[clever mortar]

I could put in dimmers rather than switches, but that only works for lights, and some of the things I'd want to wire up are extractor fans

Still, if I'd done this 12+ months ago I'd have gone Z-Wave, now I have Zigbee and can do it cheaper 😄

[tidal bronze]

Unfortunately, all mini modules need the neutral as well for extractor fans.

[clever mortar]

Yeah, and I have one light that's connected to three switches, so I'd want to only buy one smart bit, which means it needs fitted in the loft

[tidal bronze]

I am yet to checkout zigbee dimmers/switches, all zigbee stuff here are sensors. I really like the range.

You mean a 3-way switch?

[clever mortar]

Yeah, I've got a few Zigbee sockets, and a Zigbee light strip - generally speaking it's faster and more stable than my Z-Wave

Yeah, not enough sleep 😄

[tidal bronze]

3 way is pretty easy on zwave since remotes are just low voltage triggers.

[clever mortar]

Well, I'd want to wire the switch setup to the module, and then the module to the light(s). That way nothing else has to change 😄

Do-able, but means I want a sparky who's clued-up on home automation

[tidal bronze]

They detect the voltage differential between the neutral and traveler. You will not have to change much. But then again you don't have neutral 🙂

[clever mortar]

Lack of neutral is ... annoying

[tidal bronze]

Is it normal for UK?

[clever mortar]

Sadly, yes

[tidal bronze]

That's a bummer

So they loop the neutral at the lights and run live only to switch?

Just like the old days here in the US

[clever mortar]

Yeah, the loop to the switch is live

It's cheap, and annoying

[tidal bronze]

Are the new building codes any different ?

[clever mortar]

Nope

Hey, they've only very recently decided that new houses should be built with fibre for internet instead of copper

[tidal bronze]

So only not so costly option is go for bulbs, I guess

[clever mortar]

Eh, I dislike that since it breaks POLA

I'd rather do it right, so that switches work as switches

[tidal bronze]

I agree. I could never do the bulb thing.

I have a few patio/garden RGBW lights that are wifi even those terminate at zwave switches 🙂

[amber bramble]

i have yet to find any zigbee dimmers/switches

[last plaza]

I tried to put xiaomi sensor in my post box. It is way too far from home I need to run wires and go with the DIY approach.

[late gate]

@amber bramble it exist several in wall zigbee dimmers at least of the same type as the zwave fibaro ones

[tidal bronze]

@last plaza no repeater nodes out in the front?

[last plaza]

@tidal bronze closest is 50ft away I have two - front yard and driveway motion sensor.

More than 50ft I think

[amber bramble]

i put a zwave door sensor in my mailbox

[last plaza]

I guess I could waste a put a few more sensors in the spirit of mesh networking.

[amber bramble]

technically the zwave part is outside the mailbox i guess, attached the radio part to the post under the mailbox and ran wires in to the contact sensor

[tidal bronze]

@last plaza any plug-in devices?

[late gate]

I put a hue motion sensor in my mailbox instead of door sensor - works very well too and great range since I have hue outdoor lights

[last plaza]

None. No zigbee plug-in devices.

[tidal bronze]

Try a plug-in before running wires

[last plaza]

@late gate thanks for the folding@home link. I may install the software on a few devices at home and start contributing.

[late gate]

@last plaza its a hassio addon for it too

[last plaza]

Is there a good plug-in that works well with xiaomi Aqara?

@late gate unfortunately I am not a hassio user 🤣

I guess that more of a fortunate thing 😊

[late gate]

ah. well the client software is a breeze to install anyways on computers

[last plaza]

Do they run on RPi? I have a few lying around not doing much

[late gate]

well it require quite a lot of process power. Im running it on 4 nvidia 1080TI

but anything helps

[last plaza]

Oh really? I guess I am going to put it on my server then

[amber bramble]

i used to run folding@home on my computers

[last plaza]

I used to do SETI way before

[late gate]

I was more into seti@home - the finding aliens thing

[amber bramble]

then i got married and moved to a house and had to start paying for electricity...

[late gate]

but I was thinking to chip in since im getting 100kw a day in solar panels and pay nothing for electricity

[last plaza]

Good idea!

[late gate]

bitcoin mining is just a waste nowadays anyways lol

[sour escarp]

Haha I used to run SETI back in the day

Probably like 15 years ago

Bunch of guys at work ran it so we competed against each other. Of course the guys that made way more money were pumping out more units

[dull chasm]

will this shit ever chill ...largest spike yet

[late gate]

@sour escarp actually this month the data process finished for our 20 years work and ready for analyzis so the seti thing we have done has not been used before now

[sour escarp]

Wow crazy

[orchid rose]

Vasiley, in a few months (probably)

[dull chasm]

well were supposedly under a stay at home order but doesnt seeem like alot of people are paying attention ....went to get bread and traffic was normal

[orchid rose]

Unless it's somehow different where you are, that will change in a week or so. People will slowly start to get the message and stay more at home

[sour escarp]

Well, people need to get things

[orchid rose]

and the hoarders will have ran out of things to hoard

[sour escarp]

I had to go out today for a few things too but try to keep it to one grocery shop every 2-3 weeks.

[orchid rose]

I go to the store every 2-3 days still as it's not such a big deal here in northern Finland yet, but the stores are empty enough to even then keep some distance to other people

[sour escarp]

I think for the most part people in Vegas doing a pretty good job staying home.

When I have to go into the field traffic has been really light but they closed all the casinos, bars and of course schools. That cuts down on a ton of traffic.

[orchid rose]

It took us until today to close the bars which I find absurd

[sour escarp]

Lot of people have resorted to outdoor activities, kind of funny to see.

[orchid rose]

Schools and such have been close for three weeks now

[last plaza]

@dull chasm 1406 confirmed cases with 25 deaths in Ohio. Louisiana becoming a hot bed now.

[dull chasm]

yep we are

[rain swift]

I shall continue to go out, if I have to dodge the PO po like I'm 16 again!

[dull chasm]

i shall arrest ya ^^^^

[last plaza]

I wonder if it rains, it will flush away the coronavirus - I mean things like outdoor shopping carts and all.

[orchid rose]

Probably, although I would trust soap more 😄

[last plaza]

It has been heavy thunderstorms, hair and raining for the past few days here. Hopefully things will settle down.

Let me go spray soap foam on all shopping carts and sanitize them!

lol. It’s itching to go out to the stores so bad. We haven’t been outside for almost 6 days now.

Another 10 days, we may make a quick visit

[orchid rose]

I wouldn't worry about catching it too much, but I'm trying to avoid spreading it to other people if possible. I'll probably be fine, but someone else might not.

[last plaza]

Yup

[orchid rose]

scary thing that it spreads while you show no symptoms

[last plaza]

@dull chasm you have no jurisdiction where @rain swift lives 🤣

My next purchase is this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LAG13DA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_i65FEb4Y7J5VE

[low harness]

I have an 80 year old father I probably won't be seeing for months.

[last plaza]

That’s so sad... most nursing homes are also closed here. They are all wondering what’s going on.

[low harness]

And they live 20 minutes away. It's hard to explain to a 3 and 4 year old why we can't visit.

[last plaza]

Yup drop off the food at their door step, and Skype them.

[low harness]

yeah

[last plaza]

Kids gets attached to their grandparents as they pamper them the most.

[clear ferry]

My parents travel a lot, I told them to stay home

My in-laws are recluses

[low harness]

My in-laws were visiting us last weekend. Two flights and an international airport. I'd lie if I said I didn't worry.

[orchid rose]

Yeah I've decided to not visit my 65yo father either and he lives a 10min bike ride away. He just checks too many risk group boxes

[rain swift]

Problem is people can't do simple things like wash their hands, not touch their face, keep a little distance from others, it's not hard people.

And a lot of people are just dirty unsanitary bastards

[low harness]

...especially on the fourth day of their visit, when MIL started getting the shivers and coughing.

Passed in an hour, though.

The cough. Not her.

[orchid rose]

not touching your face is pretty damn hard ngl. It such a instinctive reaction you can't really avoid it

[rain swift]

Which is why you wash your hands after you touch strange surfaces lol

[orchid rose]

Go to the store, open the door, get an itch on your nose, die. It's not that simple 😛

[clear ferry]

I rub my face every 10 minutes in frustration with customers

[orchid rose]

I wouldn't rely on not touching my face as a defense any more than pulling out as birth control 🙂

[clear ferry]

Norwegians are very good at the social distancing thing, we hate other people

[light trout]

This is our jam!

[clear ferry]

And actually today the number of people in hospital went down

So probably our measures and lockdown of country is working

Spain didn't lockdown until today

The us is never going to lockdown, it's gonna be a shitshow tbh

[light trout]

I doubt it, they just dont want to meet other folks in the hospital so they stay home

[orchid rose]

The 2m safety distance, aka personal space here in the north 🙂

[clever mortar]

Most folks here are paying attention to that, except in the shops 😄

[clear ferry]

Even in shops it works here, people go around a while aisle to avoid another person

Had a mother yell at her daughter for walking to close to me yesterday

[clever mortar]

Eh, today I saw folks stop in the middle of an aisle to have a phone call ...

[clear ferry]

@orchid rose even that is cutting it close

[orchid rose]

true

[strange vapor]

Ireland has gone into lockdown, but the guards can't officially until there's a law rushed through. So this morning I made a quick run to a storage unit I have to see if a cable I needed was out in the big pile of cables stored there. Success!

On the way I drove past some supermarkets where there were ridiculous queues. Coming out of the Industrial Estate where the storage unit it, I stopped at petrol station/shop just to fill up as it looked quiet. It was very quiet! Wandered in, got all my essentials like Bread, Milk, some fresh meat and there was only one other person in the shop 🙂

[clever mortar]

Oh, the queues outside the supermarkets are insane here. But they're moving damn fast. Well, if you don't turn up at rush hour 😄

[clear ferry]

@orchid rose I heard the mountain passes up north now have 8m of snow

[orchid rose]

gib snow. We just have ice now

[clear ferry]

My mil said she saw nothing out of the windows today

They were snowed shut

[rain swift]

When I was at work before this working from home I grabbed every door handle with a paper towel and then threw it away

[low harness]

I heard there were 3 m in Kiruna. I can imagine there being more on the other side of the mountains.

[clear ferry]

Muuuuuricans who know hygiene

[forest edge]

Had a mother yell at her daughter for walking to close to me yesterday
@clear ferry sure that had nothing to do with covid 😋

[clear ferry]

@forest edge true, I look like gacy

[forest edge]

a gacy? lol

as in serial killer?

[clear ferry]

John gacy I guess

[rain swift]

Pics or it didn't happen

[forest edge]

say Dahmer.. more well known lol

[clear ferry]

I do have glasses

[last dirge]

gah

I can find cheap valves but none that will bolt to a manifold

so I end up having to buy fittings which makes the valves cost twice as much

[midnight adder]

Hello everybody, which is the right place to ask for support for the HassOS supervisor?

[trail crag]

@midnight adder #330944238910963714

[last plaza]

@midnight adder #330944238910963714

[rugged jacinth]

Hello?

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/toj6py9tsdp41.jpg

[rugged jacinth]

Is it ok if I post a survey link here? It's for personal project

I'm reaching what techies think of commensal IoT solutions

[unkempt night]

Best budget hard wired CCTV?

[clever mortar]

Joins Discord server. Immediately posts survey...

[unkempt night]

big boy ban

[midnight adder]

@trail crag THX!

[rugged jacinth]

Awh cmon

I am also interested in the topic and I'm not a bot

[clever mortar]

But, that's what a bot would say 🤔

Eh, if I was gonna ban you, you'd be gone by now

[rugged jacinth]

<3

I need the opinions of people interested in this

[clever mortar]

Mind you, the last person to do that ended up with a lot of noise in their answers

I'm not saying that folks deliberately made stuff up, but ... folks deliberately made stuff up and trolled them 😉

[rugged jacinth]

Hey I'm not going to sit around for 3 months

[clever mortar]

You're more likely to get a positive response if you engage any community first

If you want to post and run, Reddit is better for that 😉

There's also some generic home automation Discord servers

[clear ferry]

@unkempt night any 20-40$ Poe cameras and a datastore of your choice

[rugged jacinth]

Yeah I tried looking for them but couldn't find any

[clever mortar]

/r/HomeAutomation has one

[rugged jacinth]

I'll have a look another time

But I am doing this research for the sake of the community

[last plaza]

of course you are!

[clever mortar]

That's what everybody says

[rugged jacinth]

Well I'm not selling it to Google

[clear ferry]

[clever mortar]

This community already has a large list of supported hardware 😉

[last plaza]

you are not helping anyone either

[rugged jacinth]

Hey have you never just wanted to do research before you spent ages making something

[clever mortar]

And, if you'd done your research before posting here, you'd have not have sent a link to a generic "survey"

[rugged jacinth]

Could be worse

[last plaza]

we don't allow polls here, just a nuisance. You can find other places like reddit or try other avenues

[rugged jacinth]

Could have been a survey monkey

If you don't allow them then fair enough

I just figured people who like home automation would also like an excuse to shit on Google/Amazon

[clever mortar]

If you'd done something HomeAssistant related maybe not so bad, but I looked through that "survey" and damn...

[odd kindle]

I like googles little nest thing

it's a really great looking thing

[rugged jacinth]

I'll be honest, I was advised to come here by probably one of your members, I figured home assistant was just the name

[clever mortar]

I've got a few Mini's and some Hubs

It's the name of the software

It has a website, docs, and so on 😉

[rugged jacinth]

Fair enough, I am deeply sorry for barging in and being one of those guys

[clever mortar]

Few communities will look positively on you turning up and posting a "survey" as your first action - the likes of reddit (which isn't really a community) is one of the few exceptions (maybe)

[odd kindle]

It's by far the best software to stitch all your IOT stuff you have together. I'm using lots of different brands and have HA make it all work together

[rugged jacinth]

Most of the places I've turned up have been surprisingly good

[last plaza]

Love the spring weather! Weather slowly getting better.. now we don't feel like locked up inside the home anymore!

[clever mortar]

It snowed here today for a while

Not the latest we've had it, but given that we've had so little at all this year, damned odd

[last plaza]

I think we passed that snow season

[clever mortar]

We probably have, but it's snowed in April fairly often, and it's snowed as late as June...

[rugged jacinth]

We've had lovely weather last 2 weeks, shame about the whole lockdown

[last plaza]

I even bought snow blower a couple of years back... I only used it in 2018 winter, and not this year at all

[rugged jacinth]

Rip here goes my phone, I will return

[clever mortar]

Yeah, I didn't restock the salt and grit for the drive this winter, used maybe two or three scoops, once

[last plaza]

occupies so much space in the garage, another big item to haul around! crazy how quickly we gather stuff in the garages these days

[clever mortar]

Yeah...

[last plaza]

we did spring cleaning, filled two trash cans, and can't clean anymore, no space left in trash cans - have to wait until next week😂

[clever mortar]

😂

[last plaza]

TBH, I don't even know where to dump the trash even if I wanted to

[clever mortar]

We'll likely do some of that tomorrow, got a few things around the garden to sort out too. May as well take the time while there's nothing else to do

Our recycling centres/dumps are all closed now

[last plaza]

I need weed killer and lawn fertilizer... but I am not going to stores anytime soon.... let the weeds take over, and I will come later and kill all of them

[clever mortar]

Yeah, we're only going out for food. Though, the supermarket also usually has weed killer and lawn treatment this time of year 😄

[strange vapor]

I'm having a fun weekend of cables, I either don't have the one I need, or for a 50cm run I only have a 5m cable...

[clever mortar]

Could be worse. I needed a network cable to hook up a TV to the switch below it. Only one I had spare was my 20m cable...

I ended up paying too much for one from a local store - I just couldn't use that one 😄

[last plaza]

the last 2 weeks3 of my neighbours came asking for ethernet cable - I'm the only IT guy in the cul-de-sac...

good thig I have a large Cat 6 spindle at home - I got 300ft for my cameras and I have so much left over....

[clear ferry]

I cut the rest of my hedge today, got a splinter in my eye and now I have to use an ointment and drops for a week

[clever mortar]

At least three of my immediate neighbours are also IT folks

[last plaza]

one guy said he wanted 15ft, another 20, I got the crimper tool, and make whatever the length they wanted

they are super happy

[clever mortar]

Always wear protection @clear ferry 😄

[clear ferry]

But I got it all done, now I just have to drive it away, it is probably two hitch loads

@clever mortar I wore chainsaw pants and gloves, and a helmet, but not eye protection

[clever mortar]

So close

[last plaza]

@clear ferry eye and ear protection, and if you are using chain saw, there are special pants you can buy, so you won't cut off your legs

[clear ferry]

Gottem

[last plaza]

I had to call a guy to cut off a Pine Tree in my front yard a few years ago - they charged $300 to cut the tree down and chomp the roots

the tree roots are so aggressive, it was lifting up my driveway

I am not climbing up the tree and using chain saw... not worth it!

[clever mortar]

We did that with a row of trees in the last place. They ground down all the stumps after taking the trees down.

Given they'd been in the middle of the damn garden, it doubled the size the garden felt

[last plaza]

they even got wood chipper home and chipped right there and hauled it away.... no mess no fuss

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I got someone to take three trees here, was like $200

[last plaza]

whats it like $200 norweigian dollars in USD?

or is it USD... don't even know the currency of norway 😂

[clear ferry]

I reference all prices in freedom money so you can understand

[last plaza]

freedom country has become boredom country now with corona

$200 for 3 trees not bad

[forest edge]

norway money is called krones

[clear ferry]

Kroner

[forest edge]

krones fit better, fits the conan barbarian sound

[strange vapor]

@clever mortar I got the lovely crimps recently where you can put through the eight strands and they get cut on crimping. Makes it so much easier to crimp neatly 😄

[clever mortar]

Nice

I've not crimped my own cable in ... 20 years 🤔

[clear ferry]

@strange vapor seen those, never used, I'm so good at crimping anyway

I often crimp stuff to make custom serial cables

[strange vapor]

I'm massively out of practice at crimping. In my younger days I was a cable monkey with a crew putting in proper ethernet in schools. Then I could do it stupidly fast!

[last plaza]

You save so much money crimping your own cable and get exact length cables where it looks neat

[strange vapor]

Yup

[last plaza]

crimping your own cables and a label maker is a must

[clear ferry]

I used to crimp all Lan cables for most Lan parties on northern Norway for years, got a Hella lot practice

[forest edge]

i dunno about neat, premade has those nice premolded boots around the connectors etc

[last plaza]

you can buy those boots as well

[strange vapor]

I was able to get 2 305M spools from a local supplied for less than the cost of a 100M spool from Currys

Worth having the 2 spools, if running ethernet, always run multiples of 2!

[forest edge]

I used to crimp all Lan cables for most Lan parties on northern Norway for years, got a Hella lot practice :PogChomp:
@clear ferry did they call you the Crimp Bitch?

[clear ferry]

They used to call me God 😎

[last plaza]

now a days, you even use a crimper tool for plumbing - anyone can do plumbing, and no need for soldering, or pvc glues...etc

[forest edge]

lol

[hushed basalt]

Screw crimping rj45

🤢

[last plaza]

@hushed basalt you ok?

[hushed basalt]

Rj45 is the worst

To make

[clear ferry]

You should try cat6 panels

[last plaza]

you need skill for it - otherwise you don't enjoy 😛

[clear ferry]

I hate those

[hushed basalt]

There's no point when pre-made patches are super cheap

[clear ferry]

I've even welded 62.5 micron cables

[last plaza]

It would suck if thats what you do for living - once in a while, crimping not bad at all

[strange vapor]

Working on sorting ethernet in the house properly. When finish, I can get one of those handy machines for certifying the cabling from a friend.

[hushed basalt]

@strange vapor i would use keystone patch panels 100%

[strange vapor]

One of the delays today? None of the trip switches are labelled. Going to have to go through the lot and document what's hooked up to what 😦

@hushed basalt Yup, have a load of them ready.

[hushed basalt]

Removable is so worth it

[last plaza]

for most home use, thats an overkill

[strange vapor]

Annoyingly, all the the wall plates I have are keystone. The two patch panels aren't

[last plaza]

if you are using in data centers, or labs, it makes sense

[clear ferry]

I installed patch panels at my parents house in 2004, when we got FTTH, still in use and operating nicely

[strange vapor]

Don't mine too much, I normally found the wall panels more awkward to do right.

[hushed basalt]

It's not hard to fill a patch panel at home

[last plaza]

who the fuck has time to put patch panels at home? as long as I have right size cable, all tucked in, I'm in business

[hushed basalt]

It's easier than terminating rj45
https://media.tenor.com/images/ec966b614240ec16e8ff43a88d6a99b3/tenor.gif

Wtf gify

[clear ferry]

Patch panels are so handy

[hushed basalt]

I didn't post that

Oh well

[last plaza]

Patch panels are so handy
@clear ferry yes, they are if you are in a SMB

[hushed basalt]

Maybe it'll prompt atxbyea to dance for us

Hell no. How else will you terminate 12-20 ethernet runs

[strange vapor]

A friend at the old job did a new build house a few years ago. Every room got ethernet and fibre, and there was speakers put in the ceiling all acrount the house. All wired back to a handy little cubby room where there was a nice build in 52U rack. Such a nice job

[clear ferry]

We had 20 Ethernet runs in our house and a switch upstairs in the attic, panel was a lot easier

[last plaza]

Even building a custom house with the way you want in the US can get extremely expensive, and the builders don't support eveything you want 🤢

[clear ferry]

And the FTTH was terminated there, with the router

[last plaza]

the wiring plans for even the most expensive houses is full of crap

[strange vapor]

@last plaza In Sal's case, his family were the builders, and he has a cousin who does DC cabling.

[hushed basalt]

I'd run fibre to a study..not sure about anywhere else though

Netflix won't need 10gbe for a while

[clever mortar]

You can get 10Gb over CAT6... not sure why you'd need fibre

[hushed basalt]

Because it's easier

[clever mortar]

It's pretty though 😄

[hushed basalt]

10gb over cat6 is sketchy. Very little margin for error

[last plaza]

@strange vapor we were looking to build a custom house last year, I dropped the plan because nothing they do is custom - custom in their mind is flooring and tiles and other stupid stuff - nothing that matters

[hushed basalt]

And fibre patch cables are dirt cheap even at long lengths

And the sfp modules are cheaper

[strange vapor]

@last plaza My sister went through two builders before she found one who'd actually build what she wanted rather than what they wanted to build.

[last plaza]

the builders offered a "smarthome" package, and when I looked at it, it is full of shit. and they want me to pay $300 a month for managing their stupid package

[strange vapor]

The one she ended up with was really good.

[last plaza]

@strange vapor Is she in the USA?

[strange vapor]

No, Ireland.

[forest edge]

whoa first infant death of covid in chicago

[strange vapor]

Whre the house are proper concrete 🙂 No wood frame etc.

[last plaza]

I see... I cant believe so many of my friends still pay $200 for home security because they watched the ad on TV and signed up

[hushed basalt]

Wood frame has pros and cons

Everything here is brick/block walls

And it's so dumb. Brick veneer is dumb dumb dumb dumb here

[strange vapor]

The biggest problem she had? The site is fairly boggy, which was known. However, the exact part of the site they wanted to build on was, em, more boggy than expected.

[last plaza]

I lived in both concrete houses and wood houses - prefer wooden houses as you can change without making too much mess

[hushed basalt]

No one here lives in concrete houses

Only commercial buildings would have concrete walls

[strange vapor]

When the first digger came in, he went down over 7m and never hit rock. Moving the house 30m back further from the road, and bedrock was only 70cm down 😄

[last plaza]

lol

[hushed basalt]

My mums house is built on ex sand dunes

Beach Sand for days

In my climate, best option is a reverse brick veneer, with external insulation under a lightweight bright cladding

But i would say only 1 in 50 000 houses are build like that

And far out of my price range

[last plaza]

I am keeping track on items that sold quickly in case of pandemic, and every day I am adding more and more items as I go thru...

today I was looking to replace refrigerator water filter, and surprisingly they are ALL out of stock... go figure!

[strange vapor]

@last plaza There was panic buying here, and two days later all the shelves were stocked again.

[last plaza]

People are really really panic I can see... anything to do with health, safety...etc are out of stock

[hushed basalt]

We don't need anything except fresh fruit and vegetables

But i don't want to go out just for that

[strange vapor]

The same people haven't learned. A Lock In announced in Ireland last night, and queues at the supermarkets again.

[last plaza]

we got food back on the shelves, but some of the items takes time to manufacture and distribute...

[strange vapor]

Hilariously, I could go around the corner to a smaller store and get everything I needed in minutes

[last plaza]

I am not in a hurry to buy a filter, but surprising that people panic on such stuff

[hushed basalt]

It's not necessarily panick

Just needs to be significantly higher demand than normal

[last plaza]

trust me, you haven't seen the folks here

[hushed basalt]

True

[last plaza]

I've seen folks with crazy masks and costumes in stores trying fill shopping carts, running across isles

[hushed basalt]

But a lot of them are probably just the same as you and wanted a filter on hand in case you couldn't get one when you need it

[strange vapor]

@last plaza What country are you in?

[last plaza]

if you just look at them, you feel like you are in a Hollywood movie, where the world is coming to an end in the next 5 minutes

@strange vapor freedom country as atx calls it

USA

[forest edge]

it's only going to get worse

[strange vapor]

Ah!

[hushed basalt]

A lot of production lines are maxed out

And they can't expand capacity without decade long investments

[last plaza]

I buy 2 filters that last one year.... every spring time I get a reminder to order filters... they are cheap and abundant, surprisingly all of out

[hushed basalt]

Which they won't need when demand dies down

[last plaza]

transportation in the US is mostly Trucks... and all those trucks are busy with essentials, and they are not moving other non-essentials to stores and warehouses

but the existing stock quickly disappears as people panic and buy more

[forest edge]

may wanna join them lol

good chunk of these researchers who are tracking the virus mutations say covid-20 is around the corner

[strange vapor]

@hushed basalt A lot of businesses here are turning their facilities over to what's needed. O'Neills have gone from making sports kit to scrubs and are seemingly doing a really good job. There's a business park near me which has always been full of labs for everything from testing sample from cattle for TB to Quality control which are all being turned over to testing Covid samples.

[last plaza]

all the stores are asking folks to sit in their own cars in the parking lot with ticket system - watching live news

@forest edge covid 19 is not yet over, covid 20 is on the rise already?

expect more WFH them 😛

[forest edge]

not here yet, but the vvirus is mutating

[strange vapor]

They've ramped up the testing massively here. On Monday, an elderly relative ended up in hospital with Covid-19 and there wasn't enought tests to test her family. Her grandson was positive by Wednesday. Today, a minibus arrived and they tested all her family who live close by and all her neighbors.

[last plaza]

of course!

[forest edge]

it will only become a "new strain" when it becomes much diffrent than the current form

[strange vapor]

So the test kit bottle neck seems to have cleared somewhat.

Admittedly Ireland is small country, but still nice to see the testing ramp up so fast.

[last plaza]

The handyman guy called earlier today telling me that he lost his job, no income or job in the near future! He is an HVAC expert, but worst season for them

this next 2 months, we dont use AC or Heating

[strange vapor]

Lots of people around me who've been temporarily laid off 😦

[last plaza]

spring time here is the best weather, but worst time if you are a HVAC contractor and lost your job.

[forest edge]

lucky you don't have allergies lol

[hushed basalt]

A lot of my friends have lost their jobs or their businesses have zero income

[last plaza]

we do... because of the rain, it is low right now

these allergies are the worst thing to happen right in the middle of corona

[forest edge]

@hushed basalt does AU havve any plans for that?

[hushed basalt]

Nothing truely meaningful

[last plaza]

Govt. stimulus doesn't reach those unemployed until May it seems... people are already broken

[hushed basalt]

Hand out some cash to small businesses. Quantitive easing to make sure house prices don't go down too much and jump back afterwards

[last plaza]

Lots of folks have kids, no jobs and no savings and lots of debt

[clear ferry]

Norway set ba rule to pay furlowed or unemployed for the first 16 days, then the welfare system kicks in, so they wouldn't have to wait for that

[hushed basalt]

Housing affordability won't improve with all this chaos

[last plaza]

5+ Million people without pay now in the US

[forest edge]

well

[clear ferry]

Ooof

[last plaza]

lowest since 1940s after WWII

[strange vapor]

Ouch 😦

[hushed basalt]

They should have been born into a trust fund

It's their own fault

[forest edge]

to be fair, a chunk of that number are asshats hoping this is gonna get them free money

[last plaza]

yup

[clear ferry]

And without health insurance since most get that from their employer right @last plaza ?

[last plaza]

yup.... you lose your job you are fucked in US

[hushed basalt]

Whoever thought tying health care to employment was a good idea

[clear ferry]

Ooof

[forest edge]

course once they apply for unemployment and it's determined thier job status isn't directly caused by covid then they get sent home without a dime lol

[last plaza]

health care costs too much

[clear ferry]

I paid $30 to see the emergency room today, plus the medication for my eye

[hushed basalt]

Private health care is infecting australia piece by piece. but I'm glad we get a lot publically provided

[last plaza]

culture here is not a saving culture - like in other countries... people lavishly spend money when they have it, and then when they lose their job, things are different

[forest edge]

I paid $30 to see the emergency room today, plus the medication for my eye
@clear ferry did the doctor telling you to keep your finger out of it actually sink in this time?

[hushed basalt]

Have been to the childrens hospital like four times this past 14 months. Zero cost

Including delivery in a private room

Tooth extraction

[last plaza]

I paid $30 to see the emergency room today, plus the medication for my eye
@clear ferry that would be $3000 with insurance here in the US, and $8000 without insurance

[hushed basalt]

Food trials

[clear ferry]

Yeah, kids are free

[last plaza]

imagine that!

[clear ferry]

Even specialists

[hushed basalt]

Would be like $100k in US

[clear ferry]

And dentist

[forest edge]

our healthcare is a godamn joke

[hushed basalt]

Outpatient care is all charged. And it's expensive

Specialist charges us like $450 a consult

[strange vapor]

A few years ago my father ended up in hospital with a really bad lung infection, was kept for three weeks. Total cost? €180

[hushed basalt]

I shouldn't use the word free though

[trail crag]

just came back from Costco...on a Saturday...I was expecting to see a line but there wasn't one, so I went ahead and went in. Calmest I've ever seen it. Got my 1 pack of tp and everything else and it was surreal. People were making eye contact and smiling. Wish it was always that way.

[hushed basalt]

We all pay for it

[last plaza]

A buddy of mine at work has saved $100K in HSA (Health Savings Account), and he had treatment to remove kidney stones, all the money is gone

no more money for future health care (out of pocket) for him

all it takes is one visit or health issue to wipe off all your wealth

[hushed basalt]

BuT wE cAnt AfForD uNivErSal hEalTh cAre

[forest edge]

@trail crag where is this? your neck of the woods not infested yet?

[last plaza]

it is so bad, nobody can fix it... way too many politics and no progress... I guess thats why Congress is the opposite of Progress

[strange vapor]

Say this earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6egeUxIEQnM

[hushed basalt]

Lol

[last plaza]

just came back from Costco...on a Saturday...I was expecting to see a line but there wasn't one, so I went ahead and went in. Calmest I've ever seen it. Got my 1 pack of tp and everything else and it was surreal. People were making eye contact and smiling. Wish it was always that way.
@trail crag wake up.... you are still dreaming!!! 😂

I had the exact same dream last night

[hushed basalt]

Costco just opened here last week

Would have been crazy I bet

[trail crag]

@forest edge no it was insane the past two weeks. Not sure if this is because of the stay at home order or what...

[strange vapor]

@last plaza I work with a US company, and we have people in the Irish office who bought their whole family over to brave Irish weather because of kids having medical conditions that would bankrupt them in the US but are just dealt with here.

[hushed basalt]

Our first costco during a pandemic

[forest edge]

maybe the nutjobs just needed some time to get the panic out of thier systems lol

[hushed basalt]

America is great if you're wealthy

[forest edge]

atleast till the next bad news

[last plaza]

@strange vapor very common here - folks travel to a different country to get their medical stuff done

they can't afford here at all

[forest edge]

america is awesome if your one of the 1% lol

[hushed basalt]

@clear ferry do people have private health insurance there

We pay like $6k a year and I'm not sure what I'm really getting from it

But the government has a dodgey extra tax if you don't have it

[last plaza]

@forest edge Irony is that even that top 1% want the govt stimulus money

[hushed basalt]

The top 1% receive majority of welfare

That's a fact

[trail crag]

This Costco has a nickname.."UN Costco" because of all the nationalities here in the area. But we have a lot of elderly in the area too. There weren't very many of them in the store which is not normal for a Saturday.

[forest edge]

@last plaza don't think they qualify but they were trying to cut out people who were lower-middle class / poor from also being able to qualify for that

[hushed basalt]

Through "subsisdies", tax concessions, public funding of infrastructure, food stamps for employees, state sanctiondd downward pressure on wages, and 1000 other ways

[last plaza]

The congress had to put a "clause" that says the Mr. T wouldn't put his hands into the govt stimulus money for personal use. that;s how bad it is.

[trail crag]

@last plaza he's already signed off on any accountability for that

[last plaza]

now it happened... the clause is part of the bill

I'm sure it is happening all over in all other countries to some extent

The best way for an average american to find out if they have coronavirus is to cough on a celebrity's face and wait for their test results to come

[trail crag]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/28/21197995/coronavirus-stimulus-trump-inspector-general-wont-comply

[last plaza]

we're living in crazy times for sure!

good thing we have specific store hours just for elders, so that they can get their essentials - great idea

[forest edge]

I agree with that but it's fiunny cause many of them are horders as well

altho many places put a limit on quantities

[last plaza]

yes - stores have the limits now too

10,000 people dead in Italy so far. They are digging mass graves and dumping bodies. 😱

Families don't even get to see their loved ones or even say good bye....

[forest edge]

they should have issued the stay at home as a nation wide rather than allowing individual states/cities to do it as they saw fit. Kansas just now issued theirs after all this time and that's only because the numbers started to climb out of control and it's too late lol

[last plaza]

most states are waiting for orders from federal govt - instead they could have taken action.... delays are deadly

[forest edge]

our governor here in MO dosen't think the coronavirus is a big deal so we hadn't issued ours yet either but literally every city/county came out and said our governor is an idiot and issued the stay at home on thier own

[rose flare]

hi

[forest edge]

@rose flare welcome to apocalypse chat

[rose flare]

i search the good channel for my question. It's for the bluetooth

thx @forest edge

[forest edge]

@rose flare if it's about a bluetooth dongle you may wanna check #hardware-archived or #diy-archived.

[rose flare]

no it's about a bluetooth antenna

[forest edge]

if your looking to build one or buy one then #diy-archived

[last plaza]

My ESP8266s are coming Tuesday... Originally Amazon said they will deliver on April 21... looks like our local warehouse got the stock

[rose flare]

Ok. it's for bluetooth antenna (raspberry ) integration

[last plaza]

Yay!!! more tinkering during downtime

@rose flare you can share the problem, and we may be able to help or direct you to correct channel

[rose flare]

ok

[forest edge]

@last plaza don't think they were making enough money only delivering "essential", sure they prioritize those deliveries but they are still able to do normal ones as well. I see crap delievvered aorund here evvery single day lol

which reminds me i need to put my shelly order through tonight

[last plaza]

very true! most of the traffic you see are amazon trucks only here

[rose flare]

I'm looking to integrate a bluetooth antenna (raspberry PI 3)

[last plaza]

@rain swift add this to your shopping list https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LAG13DA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_i65FEb4Y7J5VE

[rose flare]

I would like to use the bluetooth of a raspberry from my virtual machine.

it's possible ?

[hushed basalt]

I need to buy a soldering iron for home

But I'm so time poor I know i won't get time to use it

[forest edge]

@rose flare your gonna want to ask that question in #hardware-archived

[hushed basalt]

Same with a 3d printer :'(

[rose flare]

ok

[last plaza]

I don't know where to put the 3d printer if I bought it... family complains already that I use all the outlets for crazy devices

[forest edge]

time poor? how during all of this? lol

[last plaza]

lol

[forest edge]

stick it in a closet that way you don't hear the servos while you do other stuff since many prints takes hours upon hours to complete lol

[hushed basalt]

@forest edge kids man

They take up all your time

[forest edge]

duct tape and a tv

[hushed basalt]

In some countries they call that child neglect

[forest edge]

here it's called proper parenting

I remember when spankings when away

everyone was so sensitivve over thier kids getting spanked at school etc

nothing like a cherry red ass to get your lesson to sink in

[last plaza]

used to be, but not anymore @forest edge a single 911 call from the child can tear entire family apart...

[forest edge]

oh i dunno if it's quite that bad

[last plaza]

child protection services/agencies and courts, lawyers... there are better ways to encourage kids for better behavior

[forest edge]

they still havve to prove that you were abusing your child etc

[last plaza]

I know of a family, they got separated right after kid called 911, dad got arrested because he slapped the kid, and right after, family went separate ways with child custody and all

if the child calls 911, that's all it takes

[forest edge]

well thats a little different. obviously both parents need to be on the same page when it comes to punishment

[last plaza]

"reinforced learning" it works for dogs, it works for humans 🙂

it also works for machines - apparently lol

[forest edge]

but if both parents are on same page and the kid called 911 just to be a shit, I would havve faith it wouldn't end up turning on in the kids favor. especially if you were upfront about whooping thier ass for being a shit lol

[last plaza]

even then, if the child feels not safe and calls 911, no matter of the parents are on the same page or not, they are screwed

[forest edge]

well if it's that damn touchy these days our society got issues lol

[last plaza]

recently a teacher got suspended for calling a kid "stupid"