Full calendar out April now
#the-water-cooler
clear ferry
clever mortar
Clearly need to be training more minions
clever mortar
With those minions, at least you know what you're getting...
lavish smelt
Does ESP Home have their own discord?
Found it: https://discordapp.com/invite/KhAMKrd
clear ferry
@clever mortar a bunch of @scenic radish ? 
clever mortar
@lavish smelt If you type the following the bot will DM you a bunch of handy links (and other stuff):
~welcome_message
silent canyon
Okay, which one of the Dev channels is for opening an issue. Just trying to make sure the right people see this.
cyan falcon
~welcome_message
clear ferry
@scenic radish 
last plaza
@shy comet
shy comet
haha is it a scrolling marquee? 😛
scenic radish
Noice
last plaza
love the brightness and quality!
since I don't have a 3d printer, I am going to have to do some wood working!
hushed basalt
Need to use machines to be more efficient with toilet paper use
https://media.tenor.com/images/5baf92755b8cb7c061d4dc79080cff0b/tenor.gif
steel urchin
scenic radish
All of them?
tidal bronze
@forest edge pretty good leaving here in a few. 😀
warm helm
How close are we to actual user accounts?
scenic radish
🤏
forest edge
@tidal bronze oh there you are lol. good to hear
tidal bronze
Do you guys need any toilet paper ?
scenic radish
The hysteria doesn't appear to have reached me yet so nope
forest edge
@scenic radish https://i.imgflip.com/za2m4.jpg
scenic radish
I'm sure it will...
paper path
@lucid karma is this bad? 😂 trouble shooting 4 camera streams over wifi at once
last dirge
currently trying to find "cancel for any reason" travel insurance
hushed basalt
It won't be a win
If insurers are even giving out those policies atm, it'll be like twice as expensive and you'd only get like 60% back
lucid karma
@paper path can't see much detail... spiking resources?
paper path
that graph on the right is 100% airtime / channel utilization
finding root of my issues is really the network and the orbi mesh I have
all APs on channel 11, low data rates on -- cant tweak anything
clear ferry
Zzzzzz
I looked at the orbi but chose the velop instead @paper path
@tidal bronze u no ded?
tidal bronze
Nah not yet, heading the task force to collect toilet paper from down under
clear ferry
BOG ROLLS
paper path
@clear ferry i bought Orbi because i was tired of managing a few K AP environment at work
Now the ease of use and lack of knobs to turn is gonna bite me
clear ferry
@paper path yeah, I have 50+ aps in my garage, retired 5 active ones for 3 velop, very happy, tried the Huawei ones first, they were ok, but no bridge mode was a deal breaker for me
forest edge
it's like you just snap a picture with the phone barely out of your pocket then post it lol
forest edge
yea it has it's own pedophile hunters group, i mean come on lol
clear ferry
so does any other social media, heck youtube is their haven right now
forest edge
it's ok, we don't judge 😉
forest edge
hushed basalt
I was speaking to someone about snapchat last week
I think they were 40 and I saw snapchat on their phone,
forest edge
how that make you feel?
hushed basalt
I was surprised people still used it
Although I'm pretty socially isolated. I don't have my finger on the pulse as they say
Had to get someone to explain to me what a Tik Tok was recently
I still don't think I actually understand.
clear ferry
I do Snapchat, and Instagram
And untappd
Instagram is mostly travel and projects, Snapchat is shanannigana
Untappd is... Well beer
And I actually have Twitter, but that is connected to my untapped, so it is 99% beer 
hushed basalt
Wooh set up my first database
Hopefully postgres is a bit more performant than sqlite
clear ferry
Yes, yes it is
Sqlite of the raspberry pi of databases
Unreliable and shite performance
hushed basalt
Especially since I'm using a docker volume for the postgres vs the binded mount of sqlite in /config
clear ferry
Seat Arona rental today, nice little daytripper
hushed basalt
I can open the logbook. Wow this is useful
I've never been able to open the logbook on sqlite
honest geode
torpid sail
Hellobeveryone, I just joined . Where do I ask technical question.
clear ferry
Depends on the question, read channel topics ;)
hushed basalt
@steel urchin are you using ipv6 on your tomato
hushed basalt
@steel urchin something funny is going on when I enable ipv6
steel urchin
i mean that's not uncommon
hushed basalt
I don't know if it's my wireless bridge on my desktop, or an incorrect setting in tomatos obfuscated menus,
steel urchin
what is happening
hushed basalt
Desktop loses connection and I have to renew the ipconfig to get it working
steel urchin
that's a new one 🤔
hushed basalt
Could be the wireless bridge who knows.
steel urchin
assuming the release is a pretty good length?
hushed basalt
I think my laptop and phone are fine
steel urchin
also y u no use assigned ips?
hushed basalt
What would I need assigned IPs for? @steel urchin
rain swift
Looks like a hue update came out today, just patched all my bulbs and stuff.
vocal ore
Hey guys. New to the automation game. Bought a bunch of WiFi light switches and garage door openers thinking I was slick bc it worked with Google Home. But when I try to do some automation like lights coming on in the pantry when the door opens...I failed lol. I bought a smartthings hub and sensor, however that doesn't work with the WiFi switch. So now I am learning about z-wave, zigbee and the different hubs/apps. Any suggestions on where to start again, I've already wasted a decent amount of cash lol.
Background- IT System Admin Great with windows a little Linux. Not much coding or dev experience. Willing and ready to learn all that I can with what free time I get. Thanks in advance.
forest edge
@vocal ore #automations-archived or #integrations-archived if your having trouble getting HA seeing the WiFi switches
vocal ore
So far I haven't set HA up. Wanted to see if that was a good route for me to go considering what I have and what I'm trying to accomplish.
Mainly simple tasks for now like
Pantry Light on/off with door open and close.
Lights on outside during night hours
Nest doorbell notifications using lights/tablet on the wall.
Inside lights and locks automated at night for bedtime
Garage doors control/automation.
I'm sure this will grow.
drowsy kelp
I don't see any issues with your list except for the Nest doorbell notifications. I have not had success getting Nest to work with HA since Google got rid of the Works with Nest platform.
last plaza
Background- IT System Admin Great with windows a little Linux.
@vocal ore not something you wanna tout here 😛
drowsy kelp
Windows admins have feelings too. I've been one since 2005. It's ok
last plaza
Start with something small. Just one or two devices, once you get hang of things, you can expand
Big difference between coding and basic scripting. I’m sure you’ve seen scripts in Windows. You can write basic ones without much trouble.
vocal ore
Yeah so I can't really go wrong with getting z-wave light switches. They seem to work with the major hubs
last plaza
I suggest you browse through cookbook examples to get an idea, lots of examples out there in community site as well
drowsy kelp
I've become a Lutron Caseta fanboy this month after I discovered lack of neutrals in a majority of my boxes. Now I have a majority of the house on smart switches
vocal ore
Nice. I was considering those for that reason. However my house was built in 2017. Has neutrals in most boxes. But the one at the top of the stairs doesn't 🙄
drowsy kelp
It was all my 4-way switches that didn't have the neutrals. I have 5 switches controlling my upstairs hallway lights.
I had all Leviton switches and had to return them all because of the neutral issue upstairs.
vocal ore
Wow. That's a lot. Most of mine are 3 way.
I bought the wifi ge switches without z-wave
So they only work with Google home and their app atm
drowsy kelp
I like how Lutron handles 3 ways. Just slap a remote control on a faceplate and you are good to go.
vocal ore
Nice. Much easier than wiring it up
I almost bought the starter kit yesterday. But wanted to see if I could get the smartthings to pick up the slack.
drowsy kelp
I recommend ebay for buying the lutron. I found them $20-30/ea cheaper than amazon and they are NIB. I bought the initial stock on Amazon though to try it out and see if I like it so I can return them if I don't.
clear ferry
vocal ore
Good idea. Thanks for the tips
clear ferry
Zzz flight back home again
@drowsy kelp windows administration 🤢 gave that up in 2006 thankfully 🤢
drowsy kelp
Gave up in 2006 as a primary function but still end up doing it as a side task to my other jobs since.
I could only deal with IIS so much on a daily basis.
forest edge
why covid-19 is spreading so fast around europe https://youtu.be/VyaTwRK4qsU
shy comet
haha....I actually think Planet of the apes is most accurate 😛 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EyC3o4UsI0&fbclid=IwAR2QWTUdcMj1WYMZ30CsfqkZN8_v38a1bQsfqkMp9sINdD0i5S44D7Wbn70
forest edge
I tried to find a gif of one of those spread maps but had no luck. was shocked there wasn't like a bunch out there lol
last plaza
I’m going to order more of those led matrix strips. Love them so far. Found good use for them at home now.
last plaza
Integrate with HA. Display all useful information like weather, alerts, time...etc
On Ali express, they are $3. On amazon, they are $10
last plaza
Yup. Search for Max7219.
Softwares setup was a big PiTA. But can be done with a little bit of patience
forest edge
maybe you should make some prepackaged kits and sell them
clear ferry
last plaza
I documented the entire process as usual
Screenshots, code and steps to configure - all in one place.
forest edge
using node or di mini?
scenic radish
Damn son
forest edge
or what
scenic radish
Doing the Lord's work
last plaza
When I get some time, I can write the blog. I use ESP8266/NodeMCU
forest edge
d1 should drive it as well i would think
last plaza
Yes. People have done that too
clear ferry
You love my pictures @forest edge
forest edge
make a prepacked with an rgb version, i'll buy cause i'm lazy like that lol
last plaza
The sky looks like our sky here. Overcast all day.
forest edge
whoa atx figured out how to rotate his phone before hitting the button lol
last plaza
I have to try the RGB one. Lots of folks complaining about lack of good library support for those
forest edge
ah see, i wouldn't want to deal with fighting with that.. let someone else enjoy those headaches lol
last plaza
lol - that’s the best way!
shy comet
so many things to play with lol...need to find a good light strip to use to mess with WLED
forest edge
I wish they could make christmas size bulbs be smart bulbs lol
scenic radish
Connect them to a smart plug? Unless you mean individually addressable
shy comet
i feel like for xmas ones we can get away with using something like this for WLED https://www.amazon.com/ALITOVE-LED-Individually-Addressable-Waterproof/dp/B01AG923GI/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=ws2812&qid=1583862450&sr=8-7
forest edge
individually addressable would be the only good ones otherwise it's just a plain old light
this is what I was talking about https://cdn.christmaslightsetc.com/images/productdetail/21925/C7-Red-Incandescent-Transparent-Light-Bulb-Christmas-IMG_7288a.jpg?w=555&h=555
that will never happen tho, no room for the stuff needed lol
scenic radish
There are candelabra bulbs
forest edge
those chandelier bulb will probably be the smallest ones they evver make
yea
they look goofy tho unless the housing is made for thier size
clear ferry
@forest edge I bought twinkly last Christmas, but I have like 800ws2811 ready for next Christmas
forest edge
that twinkly thing looks sick, especially the prelit trees where you don't have to remove them
but holy hell they are expensive
forest edge
lol
shy comet
haha love hwo they tout ESP32
clear ferry
Oof, customers are already nagging to fill my calendar in May
I need to figure out some vacation days soon
orchid rose
don't worry, corona will do it for you
clear ferry
@last plaza nah, I have no Chinese customers, some Japanese though
last plaza
Lovely! Japanese guys are hard working.
clear ferry
Hai!
last plaza
We are hardly working.
I need to make my Japanese to English flash cards up web based.
clear ferry
Karoshi is the word you want @last plaza
clear ferry
かろし
last plaza
I worked with NEC Japan. They work crazy long work hours. Always over dressed
Way too formal and highly polite
clear ferry
そのとりですか
last plaza
Wakarimashta ka?
I have a Japanese friend on Discord who wants to learn English and I speak to him once in a while.
clear ferry
Ka was pretty intuitive to me as in my local dialect ka means what
last plaza
lol sentence ending with Ka is usually a question is what I meant 😊
clear ferry
Yeah, same here , we say it when we don't hear what someone says, or we inquiry about something
last plaza
I learned to read hirakana in 2 weeks. There are awesome videos on Yt
light trout
Ka fan
clear ferry
Ka mene du? = what do you mean? Or ka? = what
last plaza
In Japanese the order changes
clear ferry
Yeah, it does in many languages
last plaza
yup
clear ferry
Norwegian follows English for the most part
light trout
nononono no, it's the other way
clear ferry
last plaza
In a way, it was easy for me to learn due to the way the language is constructed
clear ferry
What is your native one?
light trout
jinja
last plaza
lol
clear ferry
last plaza
I speak Telugu and Hindi
last plaza
I understand Punjabi a little, but not much. I also understand Marathi and Tamil, but can’t speak
clear ferry
Was that close?
last plaza
Pretty close!!
clear ferry
Interestingly, sasori is scorpion in Japanese
last plaza
Yeah!
light trout
sake sake
last plaza
It is funny how the words are formed. Some of the commonly used words in one language can be extremely offensive in other languages
@clear ferry https://github.com/skalavala/FlashCards
light trout
Suuure,, "together" :P
last plaza
That Duolingo app is cool
last plaza
Yup
light trout
does it have the lingo the kids use tody, I can't keep up
light trout
Nope, not yet.
But I probably will soon, will most likely need it (or something like it) for work.
or... most likely I'll end up with python/go + TypeScript instead xD
last plaza
You can deploy the app to github pages
light trout
I did do something i net recently :P
https://github.com/hacs/ND-NotifyUpdates 🤣
leaden swan
When you order a conbee 2 for your zigbee devices to connect but get a explore my body instead 🤔😅😂
scenic radish
Close enough
brisk glen
thats... disturbing
midnight adder
Hey guys, I would like to open a dyi home automation hobby store in my area in the near future. If you were to visit, what types of items would you like to see in a store setting? Thanks
leaden swan
@clear ferry idk if thats even legal to do🤐
last plaza
@midnight adder to be honest, it it too late. I would have inclined towards DIY stuff a couple of years ago, but now we have plenty of choices and not worth the diy hassle.
If I want to tinker, that would be of less important stuff, and willing to wait and pay less from online.
midnight adder
@last plaza true, here we only have the big box stores AKA best buy that sell over priced wifi switches and plugs, I wanted to bring the cheaper versions closer to home instead of having to wait for a 2 day delivery.. but I do hear what you are saying.. good point
last plaza
I live in the USA, I rarely go to BestBuy - unless I find a deal. Most of my home automation shopping is done online - either amazon deals, gearbest or aliexpress.
clever mortar
Similarly here (UK) I'll buy from a local specialist (like Vesternet), Amazon, or Ali/Gearbest
last plaza
Even Raspberry PIs I bought them online - even though there is a store nearby that I could walk in and pick up.
clever mortar
Why drag yourself to a physical store that may have 2 of the 5 things you want, at inflated prices 🤷
midnight adder
Good Points
clever mortar
Heck, most of the time I'll buy stuff from Ali and wait a month, to save a couple of pounds over ordering it from Amazon and having it tomorrow
last plaza
@midnight adder instead of selling DIY devices, you could offer custom home automation services- where you package things for customers based on their needs.
Home security is a big one for many families. Along with cameras and basic automations. Even there, the market is quickly saturating.
midnight adder
@last plaza thats not a bad idea... I would love to use HA as the platform but I can already see the headache when something goes wrong.
last plaza
As long as you don’t update, you are gold! 😎
clever mortar
It's mostly no worse than any commercial platform. There were many long threads on the Fibaro forums about the nightmares when those just stopped working...
last plaza
The DIY stuff I do is mostly for learning and for fun. Not really for production use.
midnight adder
I think I can see myself doing that... setting up a couple of plugs, switches, motion detectors
last plaza
Play with led lights, esp8266 and all is just for fun.
After that, I just go online, buy the ones I want for the home.
midnight adder
yea.. I guess my thought process was to open a store and introduce people to home assistant and sell the products they would need to get started... who knows.. just throwing around ideas considering I may be laid off soon lol... Im a casualty of the oil price wars going on right now
last plaza
@midnight adder setting up a store requires investment. Providing consulting for home automation services requires little to no investment.
midnight adder
@last plaza My goto devices at the house are my Martin Jerry Switches, wyze cameras, and wyze sensors... Do you think that would be a proper setup for house. I mean its a mixture of different components... Would people be thrown off by that?
clever mortar
If you're providing the support services... that's likely less important
last plaza
@midnight adder If you still want to open a store, technically you should be able to sell all the products that are either directly supported by HA, or Google Home and/or Alexa along with other custom diy stuff like raspberry pi’s, orange pis, arduino boards and 3d printers...etc
midnight adder
@last plaza yea, I guess i need to really think this through as what would be the best route for me to go
last plaza
Also, small businesses are still unexplored. Most of the small businesses have a very little to no automations. There is a market for it.
If you can sell them the value of having automations - either to save money or added security, or prevent losses, that would be a great market to explore.
Ok - that would be $100 each for @clever mortar and I for providing the support.
velvet horizonBOT
Tinkerer is away for 49s with a message :point_right: Never put off till tomorrow what may be done day after tomorrow just as well.
last plaza
lol
midnight adder
@last plaza geez you are very business oriented! Do you own a business? I like surrounding myself with people like you, maybe some of that will rub off on me haha
last plaza
@midnight adder you don’t want that. Trust me! Been there, done that. 🤣
All I can say is good luck! We’re here to help!
midnight adder
Thanks!!
last plaza
$hit is getting real now!
scenic radish
Good lord
last plaza
It brings best in people at times like these. Couldn’t tell where it is from. But guess it’s all same everywhere!
Ohio confirmed 3 cases now. Employers asking folks to work from home now.
tough igloo
I live in a small country town now about a 6 hour drive from Sydney so hopefully less of a chance here but we are setup for working from home so it’s not too bad. I think Uber eats arrives here soon too!
scenic radish
I'd love for my employer to tell me to work from home lol
tough igloo
I got some more bog rolls this morning because they’re so hard to get now and we actually need some. Had to go when the shop opened
forest edge
@scenic radish that be the day, janitors could clean toliets from home amirite?
I don't get the rush on toliet paper lol
everyone think they will have perpetual runs or something?
last plaza
among all the things, toilet paper is the last one on my list lol
forest edge
the bottled water is just gonna instantly snake its way out the back side or some crap
last plaza
yup
we've got those life straws, we can use it in emergency as long as there is running water somewhere 😛
need to take out camping stuff
forest edge
don't think the tap is gonna end anytime soon lol
scenic radish
@forest edge oh I get it
You're disparaging janitors in an attempt to insult me
nice
forest edge
scenic radish
no u
hushed basalt
I could only buy 30 pack of toilet pape4
hushed basalt
So now I've gone from having 4 rolls to 34 rolls
scenic radish
Gonna have to use your hand
hushed basalt
I'd like some hand sanitizer though
scenic radish
Would burn
shy comet
lol
scenic radish
:(
green inlet
I don’t get the need for toilet paper either. I feel like I am missing something beyond ignorance?
Worst case scenario, couldn’t you jump in the shower each time you took a dump?
green inlet
Right.....
scenic radish
Oh. Do people not do that?
green inlet
Why not milk, bread and water like when the storms come
scenic radish
Who knows
Personally I have rice and beans stocked up
But I'm not expecting doomsday
green inlet
I could prob live for a month with the food in my house already. I have at least 8 of those Indian curry packs from Costco that I thought would be a.good idea
Been in there long before Covid-19
scenic radish
Yeah I just have a bunch of spices that I can rotate between if needed
last plaza
pasta, spaghetti - you can keep them longer
green inlet
Shit gets real, I am going to the liquor store and pickup a case of vodka 🤣. You can have the toilet paper
last plaza
lmao
green inlet
Someone told me today, that in the places that have large spread quarantine, one person is allowed to leave every three days.
sour escarp
Just did my first IoT device mod on one of those Moes 3-way switches
Works good
I ❤️ MQTT
scenic radish
valid halo
hushed basalt
Is everything you do on a computer too
@scenic radish i have enough hassle trying to stop my daughter poo in the shower let alone the whole household
scenic radish
Lmao
tough igloo
Very nice. Might have to get some
scenic radish
Speaking of white hands, anywhere know where I could get some of those?
tough igloo
Craigslist?
hushed basalt
Tradfri is an addictive disease.
A$15 for bulb and switch each
$17 for the motion sensors
Way cheaper than xiaomi, legal and local shopping
2700k lighting is gross, but maybe I'll put it in the garden areas in my next house. Can't turn down zigbee bulbs for $3
tough igloo
Yeah I’ve got quite a bit of IKEA zigbee stuff. I find it’s very stable
forest edge
do you still need the ikea hub to make them work or will they work with any zigbee dongle now?
hushed basalt
Yeah but then I have to wait three months for them to arrive
I don't have anything to compare then against but mine have justWorked for what I'm using them for
Plus they have screws to lock the batteries in place which makes them toddler safer
@forest edge everything I use it with zigbee2mqtt gateway
One open source hub to rule them all
So these ikea "light dimmers" have 4 button actions
Two physical buttons (I/O rocker). With tap for each one
Then hold and release for each one
So 6 states I should say
Plus it goes to "" state after each action :/
I wouldn't try to catch the brightness hold/release state. Timing would be a nightmare
I think I'll just do brightness max and brightness min like I do with my other buttons. Seems to be good enough for the real world
clear ferry
What coordinator do you use?
The CC1352 has been insanely good and stable for me atleast
I haven't tried multiple clicking with the IKEA one, but the Xiaomi ones do that, I can do up to 8 clicks I have tested, maybe more
hushed basalt
All my xiaomi ones just have single/double/triple and maybe quad
What is the exact model number of your cc2531
*1352
hushed basalt
Rpi4 just to run a zigbee coordinator. Seems heavy
clear ferry
Lol
A user here agreed to print me a case for a small cost
So I'm just waiting for it now
hearty depot
https://fossbytes.com/debian-linux-reports-highest-bugs-ubuntu-ranks-5th/amp/ does that mean I should reimage my server @atxbyea :rofl:
@hushed basalt lol exactly the same setup here (except for the power supply)
forest edge
@clear ferry you don't have a 3d printer? 
hearty depot
Just use your overtime up :p
clear ferry
forest edge
no time? you set and forget.. sortof lol
hushed basalt
I spoke to a guy at a meetup last week. You know the typical developer who has been doing c# for a mining company supplier for 20 years etc
I asked him what sort of stack they have.
He said "We have a lot of 2012, some 2016. Some of the people have some stuff on Li Nux, some open source.
Some things in the cloud but i don't think it has been done very well"
And this was at a hashicorp meetup.
clear ferry
Atleast they have modern windows os
I still see 2003
And a LOT of 2008
I'm moving all my managed customers from 2012 to 2016 these days
I even did 3 DCs on Monday
light trout
Why not 2019?
clear ferry
They are bound to N-1
light trout
Run unbind
clear ferry
forest edge
some companies can't afford the transition over to the new ms server os's cause of what they would have to replace for remote access ect
well not just for remote access. but thats one of the reasons
light trout
Move to the cloud, access everywhere 🎉
clear ferry
Some stuff fits in the cloud
light trout
Like rain
clear ferry
But a large portion of my customers are military or other dark site stuff, so, no bueno
forest edge
just say NO to the cloud
clear ferry
They are just lazy mostly, and set in their useless ways
forest edge
lol dark site stuff
clear ferry
Such nice wow @forest edge
forest edge
aka piracy
forest edge
then what are you calling "dark site"? p0rn?
clear ferry
Stuff you are not allowed to know about
clever mortar
military or other dark site stuff
Really should give a hint that those two things are somewhat related 😉
clear ferry
hushed basalt
It's where they store the real source code for HA
Not this false flag stuff on github
forest edge
no that is not an automatic assumption, not with the term "dark site stuff"
to american's "dark site" is like that forbidden stuff, like piracy or pedo lol
clear ferry
To muuricans that would be a CIA local DC I guess
hushed basalt
I don't trust a git clone from github so I type out every character manually by screen reading onto a airgapped computer and compile HA that way
forest edge
well we don't really see the CIA as we see the NSA these days lol
hushed basalt
Well they see you
I guess I'm just curious why they don't automatically exclude norwatians from getting a security clearance
clear ferry
Or a CDC disaster site perhy 
hushed basalt
Never trust a country that is known for it's aimbotting counterstrikers
clear ferry
light trout
If you get blackout drunk, can you call NSA the next day and ask them what you did?
clear ferry
Quake 4 lyfe
hushed basalt
There should be some wearable tech that monitors your brainwaves and BaC
Then temporarily shuts down all your phone and accounts if you get blackout drunk
while sobriety == None:
do_nothing()
Thank goodness I have time for one beer a month mostly
hushed basalt
Drink on the job!
forest edge
@light trout you could but it wouldn't yield any answers and just move your surveillance higher up on the list lol
light trout
That's fine, at least they will have control
clear ferry
I'm probably better off running that standard H3C software than the TAA software anyway
forest edge
it really doesn't bother me what the NSA does because they aren't doing all that much more than what every standard company tries and does but the NSA doesn't sell what they collect for profit
clear ferry
That you know of
forest edge
that would be a paper trail, they can't havve that
clear ferry
Pfff sell it on Craigslist
No worries
Some crackhead will buy it and forget about it and leak it
hushed basalt
This will get pol very quickly
forest edge
so your in quarantine for two weeks in some other country.. gotcha
clear ferry
forest edge
that looks like a yes lol
queen mulch
shopping in Poland yesterday...
clear ferry
We appear to be poles apart
queen mulch
??
clever mortar
Dadjoke
queen mulch
ohh
eager crest
good music
clever mortar
People want to feel happy. Eat cigarettes, blow smoke out your backside. Drink shampoo, blow bubbles...
forest edge
the shock that atx posted a second picture that was the correct orientation today sat me back some. need time to recover.
clear ferry
fading zodiac
Does anyone know what VOC levels mean?
clever mortar
Google does 😛
Harmful VOCs typically are not acutely toxic, but have compounding long-term health effects. Because the concentrations are usually low and the symptoms slow to develop, research into VOCs and their effects is difficult.
clever mortar
fading zodiac
Thanks 🙂
hushed basalt
VOCs aren't nice
forest edge
so here they give people gatorade to get through quarantine. what do they give in norway? yak's piss?
oh wait you get that orange flavored soda probably lol
light trout
Solo?
forest edge
i can't remember what he called it. they vview it was a treat or something
midnight adder
orchid rose
Looks like a decent price. Not sure how good Alexa is though
midnight adder
it also works with google assistant
was looking for a google home or alexa echo dot
but this is also nice
as i already have sonos laying around
orchid rose
The GH mini is pretty great. But if you also want something that plays music okayish, I guess the Sonos would make sense
forest edge
sono's is that company that cut off support for older products that left alot of people with paperweights wasn't it?
clever mortar
Well... sort of
midnight adder
well not that way
but its a handle for haters to grip yes
but would you guys advice to buy the sonos?
does it work with hass?
clever mortar
I own some, it works
clever mortar
Eh, well, better than it doesn't 😛
clever mortar
I mean, it's an integration, it works... 🤷
Sure, you can't replace the Sonos app with HA, but ... so what
midnight adder
but not as good as google home
clever mortar
Depends on what you want
clever mortar
If it's got a voice assistant in it, yes
At that point it's whatever the voice assistant is
midnight adder
okay i guess ill buy one
hot tusk
for 150, id buy it. if it doesnt work the way you need it to, just return it i guess
midnight adder
yes its the one with voice assistant
clever mortar
So, if you can do it with Google, and you use it with Google, it's a Google assistant device 🤷
orchid rose
The only difference is that the updates sometimes come a bit later to the non-google assistant devices
for example the continuous listening mode came a few months later to my JBL than it did for my GH mini for whatever reason
midnight adder
my dad: id buy 2 for future as well
but 2 is over the top right ? xd
my room is 5x4 and i already have 2 play 3's
clever mortar
If you just want a voice assistant, but one
No point in buying a pair of Ones to go with the 3's
midnight adder
true
hot tusk
is there any way to order this on amazon.nl and get it shipped to germany? the cheapest offer we got over here is for 195, even the SL is 180
midnight adder
funfact: everything comes from a german warehouse
this is just to promote the amazon.nl
but im not sure
orchid rose
If it doesn't let you do that, then there might be some package forwarding options that you can use but it'll cost you ofc
I've only used one to order from Germany though, you guys usually have the best prices there 😛
midnight adder
@clever mortar could only buy 1 anyway
hot tusk
yep, they do ship some items to germany from .nl, but not the sonos apparently. dont think that package forwarding is worth it, thats usually way too expensive
midnight adder
@hot tusk i dont really know, theyll sell out fast anyway
so you have to act quick
the sony xw (??) headphones were yesterday sold out in 4 hours
same holds for the nintendo switch
germany is generally cheaper than the netherlands
hot tusk
might be able to order it to a hotel in amsterdam where I'll stay this weekend 😅
midnight adder
but that will change with amazon here now
orchid rose
It was 17€ it cost me through Mailboxde to get a smart speaker from Germany. So I'd assume it's around that for this one as well. So yeah probably not worth it 🙂
hot tusk
@midnight adder i know most stuff is cheaper here, yet pretty much every german who lives near the border regularly visits nl to buy coffee in bulk
midnight adder
i know
was in berlin for a year internship
i had to pay 50 cents for a coffee at work
in the netherlands its free lol
hot tusk
eh, its just as "bad" over here
midnight adder
where is 'here'?
hot tusk
near düsseldorf/cologne
midnight adder
i always wanted to live in germany cause cars cost half the price in the netherlands
yet the east is so far behind in technology
hot tusk
i meant the corona stuff
midnight adder
i had to send my contract signed back
ohh yeah i know
will fly from dusseldorf in 1.5 month
hot tusk
oh thats not just the east though. most major german companies feel like they got stuck in the late 90s
midnight adder
lol
even rolls royce where my internship was
i expected more from such a company
hot tusk
Y2K apparently hit us hard man
midnight adder
tip for everybody interested, these sites look for the best price for an amazon site in the ey
eu
yet NL is not implemented yet
hot tusk
yeah, still nothing under 199, too bad. better bookmark these for the future though
midnight adder
well hopefully soon another nice deal at your place
also i noticed this:
10 pieces 3m hdmi cable
for roughly 2.40 each
thats cheap
hot tusk
oh i think ill just call the hotel to check if i can send it there, the cheapest we ever got a sonos one was 160 for like 2 days last year
midnight adder
lol another webshop in the netherlands lowered the sonos price as well
XD
amazon price up again
hot tusk
phew, still had it in my cart for 149
forest edge
that price rising is annoying. it's based on how many people look at the page within x amount of time
honest geode
I ordered a high pressure washer, only to see it drop 100 euro the day after I got it...
forest edge
lol
honest geode
Asked support if they could just return the difference.. nope.. so I returned it and ordered it again
midnight adder
Well these are the amazon.nl release deals thus X amount of that product for sale
After the price rises back up
honest geode
New toy on its way 😄
midnight adder
liposuction in hass?
fading zodiac
Anyone watching Ignite Virtual training?
@midnight adder If you want to use GH on that Sonos One
Please be advised that GH works different
midnight adder
yeah or amazon
midnight adder
ah and why
rain swift
And the real reason for the beer virus.
https://www.militarytimes.com/breaking-news/2020/03/10/new-york-national-guard-activated-to-combat-coronavirus-establish-containment-area/
hushed basalt
@honest geode nice
I thought about getting that but I couldn't justify the $600 for hobby use
midnight adder
@rain swift i like how dramatic the picture is, characterises the USA lol
this is a really nice gif
rain swift
afaik the fear has gripped every country on earth
governments never let a good tragedy go to waste. 🙂
midnight adder
the dutch government likes to be too late with decisions
last plaza
@honest geode what’s that?
hushed basalt
How and when governments act, or don't act, will have a huge effect on mortality
honest geode
@last plaza That's a soldering station 🙂 It sleeps (turns the temperature down) when the handle is in the holder, and cranks back up to working temperature within 2 seconds or so
last plaza
Looks fancy. I thought it is a tooth extractor 😝
honest geode
Could have been 🙂
@hushed basalt Well, same sort of.. I just hate using bad tools, and my old soldering iron has seen better days
tidal bronze
@last plaza I need one of those tooth things 😉
clear ferry
@tidal bronze started coughing yet?
tidal bronze
Lol no, sneezing like no tomorrow. Dr, said increase my intake on cherry candy.
clever mortar
Soon everybody will be infected...
clear ferry
Polish government just announced closing all schools, kindergardens, universities and other public institutions. Parents get 2 weeks paid sick leave to take care of children. Quite surprised with those radial moves (we are 2 months before the election)
And they only have 25 cases 
orchid rose
well that's the time to stop it
clear ferry
They should do that here, then I can do some work around the house while watching the baby
clever mortar
😄
inner lava
Coworker recently told me about ioBroker and I kinda love how it displays all information you can use at a glance. Wish Home Assistant would also have something like this in a folder-like view 😄
And I'm surprised that there are a toooon of so called "Adapters" for it, basically Addons for Home Assistant.
clear ferry
That looks horrible to me
inner lava
The design is really dated yeah.
But then again you're spoiled by Home Assistants amazing modern UI 😄 Any commercial used home automation system has a kinda old interface design to it.
clear ferry
I work on systems that are up to 20 years old, I'm not very spoiled
unkempt night
Would anyone advise against buying a second hand air purifier, but just had filter replaced 3 weeks ago?
last plaza
As long the unit works, well maintained, and you can replace filter, I don’t see any reason not to buy if you get a deal.
last plaza
Also depends where it was used 😊
clear ferry
People need to purify air?
last plaza
We run air purifier at home
Especially during spring and fall where seasonal allergies are high.
clear ferry
Oh, I have noone in my family with allergies
last plaza
Or after vacuum speaking home. So many tiny little dust particles are all over, running purifier catches those
It smells great after running purifier - unfortunately I can’t automate it as I have to press buttons
We just got an email in our office asking some IT guys to work from home. 😎
clear ferry
Must just be Norwat having great air to begin with 
last plaza
It’s one of those things you don’t need it until you used one.
unkempt night
I have reaall bad allergies
I got a small cheap purifier for my bedroom and it made a world of difference
It got to the point where I'd wake up on the verge of not being able to breath sometimes
Also actually
Would love some help with my camera setup plz
There is a diagram of my current setup
I have two further Eufy cams to use
the front door is a nest hello
forest edge
Must just be Norwat having great air to begin with :Nootnoot:
@clear ferry better for the coronavirus to spread in 😝
clear ferry
unkempt night
@last plaza yeah they had a little dog, and looks to have been ran in the living room
wait no their kids room
So i guess not much use?
balmy cairn
I need to purchase and connect an industrial strength wifi temperature sensor to my node-red instance.
I'm not really sure where to start. Is there a standard way to connect temperature sensors to wifi modules?
pure vine
tough igloo
@balmy cairn you could look at esphome and tasmota to see if they will suit your needs. An esp8266 device will work with a bunch of sensors and it can use mqtt to communicate with hass node-red etc
balmy cairn
Thank you!
I was kinda hoping I could just buy something off the shelf without having to get a microchip and figure out how to connect it to other devices and put it in a nice box etc
Is there some kind of plug and play thing I can buy (don't mind spending a few extra quid) and then plug a suitable temperature sensor into?
MQTT is what I'm after
tough igloo
I haven’t come across anything but I like to diy 😂 so I haven’t really looked
balmy cairn
I'm not even sure what to search for right now- I'm a bit stuck
hushed basalt
@unkempt night do you have any pets
vocal raptor
Hey um idk where to ask this, but is anyone here good with Tasker?
balmy cairn
hushed basalt
I'm not sure what you would use that for @balmy cairn
It's a very industrial applications sort of device
balmy cairn
Connecting to a thermometer probe in an incubator in microbiology lab.
It supports mqtt for use with node red
Can't find anything else I can just buy off the shelf that will work that doesn't involve me messing around with microchips
I work for a laboratory and I want to record all the temps in the incubators
hushed basalt
Yeah for that sort of stuff something like that is ideal
Of course industrial monitoring created MQTT
So it's no surprise there it has it ;)
There's probably a billion networked industrial monitors out there. Just go with whatever is most common and well supported
I'd try and get something with ethernet and enough inputs
balmy cairn
Strangely enough, I'm struggling finding any other commercial data logger device like this that does mqtt. Can't find anything
It's not ideal as they're in the US and im in the UK
If you search Google for mqtt and data loggers, most of it is people hacking with microchips
Most of them that I've seen want you to use their own bespoke software/platform to access the real time data, and pay a subscription! I want MQTT!
hushed basalt
Yeah it's probably all stuff that's sold business to business 100+ units at a time
last plaza
lol - I want my summer corona free. Hard to sit at home when you only get 3 months of summer in a year. I support any decision to keep corona controlled. 🤓
scenic radish
guys
homekit controller was updated to be local push where devices support it
and it is awesome
last plaza
and...?
scenic radish
new info from my thermostat is pushed within a few seconds instead of homekit controller polling every 60 sec (or in the case of my custom version, 10 sec)
i have an automation that turns the volume on my tv up/down with the furnace turning on/off so it's way more precise now
last plaza
sweet!
last plaza
Shoot - I didn’t pay attention. 0.106.6 is out.
scenic radish
it's in 0.107.0b0
which is just newly-released after an issue with the first release
last plaza
I don’t run betas. Nothing but trouble. Not worth it. I only have prod.
scenic radish
this is my third beta run, no issues so far
well, besides the broken first release lol
last plaza
If things break, I roll back my eyes and version.
I will wait for 107. Sounds awesome though!
forest edge
so we going from 106.6 to 107?
last plaza
Me going from 106.5 to 107.
36 dead in the USA man! Things are slowly getting crazy. Although we have plenty of toilet papers in stores today. I even got some disinfecting wipes - which were our last week or so.
scenic radish
no hysteria by me
last plaza
Still no hand sanitizer though
last plaza
Everything is normal here.
shy comet
you have be first in line basically to get it
your lucky lol
we were low on stuff and needed TP and water LOL
last plaza
ah! I have a restaurant depot card. They got everything 😊
shy comet
people were fighting and cutting lines etc.. it was crazy
last plaza
I can imagine. I saw a video where people were fighting over toilet paper.
shy comet
yup
last plaza
Plenty of toilet papers in local Samsclub. Pleasantly surprised.
forest edge
it's like in random spots around the country people are losing thier shit lol
shy comet
so far it seems port cities are most impacted by it
last plaza
Although I can tell they are working overtime to stock stuff on shelves
shy comet
LA will always be LA
last plaza
Ports are always the main areas. NY is going crazy now.
last plaza
Many countries are doing it. It is better off for them as some countries are underprepared when it comes to this.
shy comet
last plaza
Media is certainly helping, at the same time causing a lot of panic. Good and bad.
shy comet
so how long until the entire US is on lockdown lol
last plaza
We are told to work from home tomorrow as a test. First time ever where a global email asking folks to work grown home.
Also, If you have meetings with more than 20 people, they ask you to make it a virtual meeting.
shy comet
my work did that today for the NYC office
next week our Mumbai office will do it
all our internal travel was halted and partner meetings must be cleared by CEO
last plaza
wow!
shy comet
was suposed to go to Mumbai in 2 weeks....def not happening
last plaza
On the other hand, it will save a lot of money to the companies. Stock market is a shit show again
Not the best time to travel - especially south east Asia.
Not that any better here or in Europe. It is pretty global.
I worked in mumbai 25+ years ago. Crazy place.
forest edge
speaking of stock market. @tidal bronze how's that bitcoin holding up? lol
forest edge
lol
wild grove
Does the new async homekit controller change affect ecobee?
chrome oak
Sorry if this is super basic. Followed the instructions on the main page for getting started. After flashing the lastest image and putting the card into my pi everything comes up in code and looks like DOS. After pressing enter I get a:
“welcome to home assistant”
“login: “
wild grove
Now put the address in your browser
scenic radish
@wild grove yep, if you have your ecobee thermostat paired with homekit controller, state updates are pushed instead of HK controller polling it every 60 sec
wild grove
Sweet. Starting with 107?
tidal bronze
@forest edge any day is a red day if it's over $200 😜 so yes outstanding.
forest edge
lol
last plaza
Tom Hanks got the corona virus when he is down under for a shoot! Hope he makes it outta there! 🙏
scenic radish
Hom Tanks
wet pilot
clear ferry
forest edge
damn near every college around me has suspended in person classes and moved to online till further notice and starting next week is like a huge job mandatory work from home thing going on a bunch of buisnesses are taking part in lol
yet our normal schools are going as normal
clear ferry
My wife has been doing her master's for four years over the internet, only showing up at campus for exams, hoping they'll suspend campus now so she can do all her exams from home
tropic hedge
I work in a large casino. On the one hand I'm kinda hoping I get a couple weeks off, but I really hope they'll pay employees for the missed time
clear ferry
Thankfully that would be mandatory pay here
tropic hedge
we had to close for another reason ~10 years ago for 2 days and they backpayed everyone, including missed tips, which was pretty nice of them
clear ferry
But it would also be a good way to get rid of some of my vacation days
tropic hedge
so I'm setting up a pfsense/unifi switch combo with home assistant on a Pi. My idea is to have the Pi's single NIC able to talk to my LAN while also talking to the IOT devices on my VLAN. Is that possible? Would that be a layer 3 thing for pfsense or could I do it at the switch?
and what's your wife's masters in?
clear ferry
Sure, pfsense supports vlans, I would however recommend you look at opnsense, I'm a 15 year user of pfsense migrating now
But I would never have run it on a pi
Her master's is in computer sciences and crypto / security
tropic hedge
I've got the vlans setup, but can I have the nic my Pi running Home Assistant talk to both my normal LAN and a VLAN?
nice, I've been tempted to take a security boot camp here for fun, but it's a bit too expensive
clear ferry
Tag both vlans from your switch to the pi, then make two tagged interfaces in pfsense
tropic hedge
main LAN isn't a vlan, still good?
clear ferry
Well, it is, if it exists on the same switch as the iot vlan
tropic hedge
yah
tropic hedge
ah, weird, so just a normal LAN defaults to being VLAN 1 for tagging purposes?
gotta look into that more, but I think it makes sense
clear ferry
Just tag vlan 1 and iot vlan on the upstream port to the pi, make the tagged interfaces the
Or change vlan 1 to something else, we network people hate vlan 1
tropic hedge
in the short time I've spent looking into vlans I've already seen a lot of hate for VLAN 1
clear ferry
Doing an interface list on your switch should show what vlan all interfaces are in
tropic hedge
I got a network+ 20 years ago, but I don't think VLANs existed back then 8(
tropic hedge
802.1q was 2003 apparently, but they'd been around in different ways prior
The net+, being what it is, was largely just learning to subnet and memorizing commong port numbers from what I can remember
clear ferry
The first standard yes
I have a N+ too, think it's from 2007
I already knew everything in it, but my boss paid
tropic hedge
I'm going to go to WGU so I have to get my A+ and Net+ refreshed since it will clear like 6 months of work. Apparently getting a security+ refreshes them both
clear ferry
The biggest aha for me ever was like three years ago when I realized I could read subnet masks binary
After working with it for 20 years
tropic hedge
it's taken me a long, long time and I'm finally at the point where I can generally see it
I take that back, I can do it well enough when they subnets are divisible by 8 🙂
clear ferry
I've tried understanding IPv6 for 20 years too, I'm getting closer
I understand well enough to discuss it and troubleshoot it
tropic hedge
I noped right out of that
clear ferry
Most isps in Norway support it native now, and all universities run it for most stuff
tropic hedge
oh, and is there a better way to allow my Home Assistant Pi to talk to my IOT devices and my other devices while keeping the IoT stuff segregated?
low harness
I wish you could write subnet masks in hex. That'd make them so much easier to understand.
leaden swan
@midnight adder damn, If I knew this before hand I bought a second Sonos one.. Now it's the usual price again.
low harness
FF.FF.FC.00 means you can pick from XX.XX.X3.FF, and you only need to keep track of four bits at a time instead of eight.
low harness
Did I say I've been writing my own kernel as a hoby for the last 15 years? I dare to claim I'm pretty fluent in hex...
tropic hedge
I'm about half way through a NES emulator in Excel, that's greatly helped my hex reading ability
tropic hedge
I'm a great scripter and a crappy programmer
clear ferry
I can configure 700 Linux nodes at once, or make a script that configures 10000 switch ports, but don't ask me to do python
tropic hedge
I say this in hushed tones and all, but man I just don't like writing Python
just feels wonky
low harness
I can see why. All this whitespace weirdness.
hushed basalt
Ansible is where it's at
tropic hedge
exactly
clear ferry
I should find time for ansible next year
hushed basalt
It's verbose as hell though
low harness
I'm not really comfortable without my brackets either, but if you look past that, pyton is really smooth.
tropic hedge
as we all get older do you guys feel like you have a harder time just comprehending the whole world of computing, if that makes sense?
hushed basalt
And you have to spend 30 minutes for every new command figuring out how to do it the "ansible way"
clear ferry
Not really, I learn 3-5 new products every year
tropic hedge
I feel like I used to at least know what everything was even if I didn't use it or have any ability in it
low harness
I'm slowly starting to understand OOP. But async? Magic!
tropic hedge
now stuff like ansible pops up out of nowhere at me, I only heard of it a week ago and I'm sure it's been around for a while
low harness
And what the heck is a template type even for?
low harness
IKR
clear ferry
It helps that I work with all kinds of customers from SMB to multi national corporation
low harness
How can you trust a list if you don't even know how it's connected?
tropic hedge
mf'ers over here using tensorflow on their ipcams like it's no big deal
tropic hedge
I'm actually totes looking forward to that
midnight adder
@leaden swan yeah was a nice deal!
tropic hedge
I'm putting up my cameras next week, got 11 dahuas
clear ferry
Oof, I only have 3
hushed basalt
I'm sure no one here has ever spent 30 hours developing a tensorflow sensor to tell if the doorbell was rung by a UPS driver or a door salesman
low harness
That's my biggest failure. I actually studied AI at universtity.
Then I looked away for one minute, and Deep Learning happened.
And I'm left behind like, huh?
hushed basalt
Gotta pick your battles I guess
It's like a doctor trying to be a specialist in too many things
tropic hedge
deep learning and "AI" need to be renamed guess-n-check and "if statements"
clear ferry
I see more and more AI now at customers, so probably this year or next year I'll be installing GPU boxes every week
tropic hedge
like "Tesla's new guess-n-check crash avoidance system is 99.999% accurate!"
tropic hedge
@low harness I use that example on my boss a lot
low harness
Any script kiddie can find a bird in a picture now, I have heard.
clear ferry
Volvo is developing a system now, it looks good
low harness
I can't. But they can.
hushed basalt
Emissions avoidance system
tropic hedge
nice.
hushed basalt
If emissions inspector present. Activate kill laser.
clear ferry
tropic hedge
how's home face rec coming along? I'd to allow just the pest control guy in by showing his face and entering a code into the lock
hushed basalt
I like to imagine atxbyea is just a rapid sketch artist and actually draws all these emoticons on demand
tropic hedge
I'd also like to not have to ask the pest control guy for 50 pictures of himself at different angles
clear ferry
📝
tropic hedge
the internet was a mistake
hushed basalt
Woohoo i have a working protoype for my aircon auto fan
I combined all the temperature sensors for that zone to a mean sensor, added that to the climate actual temperature, and set up automations to automatically set fan speed or turn it on/off based off the delta between target and actual
last plaza
I'd also like to not have to ask the pest control guy for 50 pictures of himself at different angles
That’s not how facial recognition works. You need training data. In fact you need thousands of pictures not just 50.
When you look into the binary values of a compiled java program, the first four characters you’ll see are BABE
light trout
As in "babe, I'm sorry I can't be with you today, need to 'fix' this java program"?
clear ferry
🤢
forest edge
50% of every component/plugin/integration I use has been customized and thankfully many of them were minor but can't help but wonder when I'll sit down one day I'll be greeted with a mess to fix lol
last plaza
There is a 50% chance of that happening
clear ferry
They just closed all kindergartens in the capitol
Hopefully they will at our place too
Then I'll be taking sick days
Thankfully I got my new docking station yesterday
Perfect timing
clear ferry
Pants are not even optional
My home office gets to 35c in the summer when I close the door
Nice knowing you @scenic radish
So long and thanks for all the cherry
hushed basalt
My house temps get out of control
Stupid lack of building science
Power bill is 3 times the cost of the last house. And it's half the size
light trout
Took them long enough
forest edge
35c? you know they invented this contraption called "air conditioner". may wanna look into it lol
clear ferry
Yeah I have ac upstairs, but that doesn't help when I close the door
forest edge
open a window or use explosives to create one
clear ferry
Doesn't help to open a window when it's +35 outside
hushed basalt
Daughter starts daycare next week
If it doesn't get closed
But our government will ride things out until it's far too late to do anything effectively
RIP boomers
forest edge
honestly some of the theories they are having about what may come back later down the road like shingles makes me think dying now may be the best thing lol
clear ferry
Shingles ain't to bad, my 77 year old mother in law had it last year
Was only a few days that were bad she said
The rest was just scratching
forest edge
I meant like how it comes after you've had smallpox
clear ferry
Well, shingles you only get if you haven't had chickenpox, don't think it's related to smallpox at all
I might be wrong
forest edge
chickenpox, you get what i mean lol
forest edge
see 20-30 years from now you may be bleeding out of every orifice feeling like you been set on fire and you'll be like, I wish covid-19 killed me all those years ago!
clear ferry
I already do that
forest edge
I believe it, you are a norwat afterall
clear ferry
Damn chronic nosepicker and hemoroids
But you won't live for 20 more years , you are already 87 @forest edge
hushed basalt
I know someone who had shingles