easy for the field guys and it works
#the-water-cooler
sour escarp
clever mortar
I've used them for a few DIY projects - I'm never going back to any of the old methods 🙂
Solid connections, easy to use
forest edge
push in wire connectors are nothing new, the older ones went out of phase because the copper that holds the wire in would either eventually break or not hold it strong enough and wires would come out
now the wegos are probably made diffrently but thats why push connectors never replaced wire nuts
sour escarp
i bet you anything it's cost
when you need to sell billions of units to turn a profit you have to convince people that there is a cost savings vs the way they have been doing it or eat shit even if your product might be slightly better
hushed basalt
If any mechanic used wire nuts on my car I would be finding a new mechanic
sour escarp
so one thing I noticed when I pulled one of my switch plates was several neutral wires ties together... i guess this is standard but I'm no electrician. the wegos seem to be somewhat limited when it comes to splicing > 4 wires
forest edge
well i'm refering to national code which has nothing to do with cost
sour escarp
@hushed basalt lol me too
clever mortar
Wire nuts are also not a thing you'd find in the UK - they're not technically banned AFAIK, just not used
forest edge
that's cause till recently they used stuff that looked like this https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/397426163649216512/678524574471815168
clever mortar
Yup
I can't see that the failure characteristics of that will be very different to the likes of the Wago
sour escarp
I spent a lot of time studying NEC and took test on it and there wasn't a single thing in there on splicing techniques, oddly enough
hushed basalt
Most automotive is open barrel crimp connectors in housings
forest edge
wegos have all but taken over europe these days i think
same here
generally you'd only see wire nuts around stereo wiring on a vehicle
sour escarp
yeah because wire nuts are not appropriate for mobile applications otherwise they would use them for that too 🤣
i've seen ethernet cable wirenutted lol
forest edge
not from faactory, talking aftermarket
sour escarp
yeah factory is always molex
forest edge
factory is all snap connectors that cost like 5 bucks a piece to replace lol
sour escarp
yah special harnesses / molex connectors
there is a connector i use in mobile applications sometimes from a company called powerwerx
a really neat connector
hushed basalt
Repair and modification here in automotive I would guess would be almost exclusively self insulating closed barrel crimp connectors
Although shitty mechanics would use abomination of connectors. Or solder
hushed basalt
I've found powerpoles to be a PITA
sour escarp
lol
hushed basalt
The genderless nature is nice. But I find they slip out too easily
forest edge
as in to navigate around?
hushed basalt
Those are anderson powerpoles
sour escarp
yes
forest edge
oh i thought you mean like street light poles ect
forest edge
I like the snap waterproof ones you can buy off amazon for like 20 for 10 bucks
hushed basalt
Ham uses them a lot
sour escarp
i use for all my ham applications
hushed basalt
I like xlr connectors if it's under 10 amp
sour escarp
i have connectors that can handle up to 45amps
forest edge
yea 14 guage is all I evver get
hushed basalt
Snap connectors?
sour escarp
those look nice
forest edge
you can get just the connectors or ones with leads coming off on amazon for liek 20 for 10 bucks
sour escarp
how many connectors for 20 bux?
forest edge
picked up a bunch just this last summer rewiring a tractor
the ones i got only came in packs of 20 for 10
sour escarp
oh ok that's not bad
hushed basalt
They look good for automotive
I'd say using the right crimp and die would be important though
I can't see the size scale but I'm guessing max around 15 Amps?
sour escarp
i would guess the same
forest edge
for what?
sour escarp
maybe they make other sizes
hushed basalt
Nooooooo
forest edge
no what?
hushed basalt
A connector is only designed for a certain amount of current going through it
forest edge
and they make a connctor for each size of wire.. whats your point? lol
it's not a one size fits all
like i said they make those with and without the pigtails already attached, you buy the guage of connector
sour escarp
@hushed basalt is just saying that particular connector is rated for a certain amperage, despite the wire size being connected although that matters too
forest edge
14 guage is pretty standard automobile size wire for the US
sour escarp
the one you pictured appears to be something like 18ga
forest edge
oh i dunno what that is size wise, saw the picture and they all look like that
shape, size.. the rubber waterproofing boot on mine are red not green
but other than that it looks like that
you just look up the guage of wire you want, like mine are 14
which is 20amp
hushed basalt
Ratings for cables are usually a factor on length
forest edge
yea like more than 40ft or something
hushed basalt
At 12/24v it matters a lot
forest edge
well just how much 12v current you need? lol
maybe not look at plastic connectors then lol
they make pure copper lugs lol
sour escarp
haha, you don't think current and amperage is more of an influence on the selection of wire than length?
hushed basalt
It's both
sour escarp
*mostly
forest edge
we're talking automotive right?
aside from the battery terminals.. wtf is your vehicle juicing?
hushed basalt
But just saying "I've got 16awg so I can run up to xA over it" isn't right
forest edge
90% of every vehicle made is 16-14 guage
sour escarp
no, that generally comes down to proper engineering
forest edge
sorry not 90%.. i meant to say 98%
hushed basalt
There's a difference between controlling a relay in the engine bay and running 80w of camping LEDs in the rear of the vehicle
hushed basalt
Regrigerators and inverters are also massive aftermarket loads
sour escarp
doesn't matter the application, yes the length of wire matters a lot but the wire isn't generally designed for a certain length. i might only be able to pass a proper ethernet connection through CAT6 over 280-ish feet but I can use the same wire and pass 24v AC 600 feet without much loss
hushed basalt
20x12 is only 240w
sour escarp
it's always about the assumed application
forest edge
well then you could always run romex if your concerned lol
sour escarp
i say assumed because in things like homes and vehicles, they are assuming a certain amount o;f power is going to be used when they wire it up and add breakers/fuses without knowing the potential of the application someone might be using, aka, real world applications
forest edge
I'm sure campers ect probably havve some thicker stuff for feeding appliances ect, but for your typical 4 banger car 98% of the wiring in the car is not bigger than 14g that much I can promise you
sour escarp
newer vehicles that offer AC ports and know that electrical demands are higher now will run larger ga to both AC and DC peripheral applications
sour escarp
I ran some 50w ham radios off 12v using about 20+ amps off cigarette lighter plugs without getting hot
forest edge
most of it is likely 16g not 14g i just know 14g use to be pretty standard
sour escarp
i wonder what they are running for the inverters
i assume they have some kind of inverter for the AC stuff
forest edge
prob some cheap Chinese box screwed into the firewall behind the dash
my mothers car has a single ac 15amp outlet on the dash
sour escarp
don't think the big manufacturers want to be in the news for electrical fires
forest edge
never bothered to use it
well it won't be cheap for you to replace it
was only cheap for them to buy it
sour escarp
had one in my f150 that i used to charge my laptop all the time. just bought a tacoma that has one in the back but haven't tried yet
i could see using it to charge my drill
forest edge
like ac delco cd stereos, cd mechanism are so cheap and so known to fail after 10 years that that they actually created small business just to fix them lol
clear ferry
I have only ever seen one car with 220v integrated
forest edge
220v 🤢
clear ferry
Was a Skoda Kodiaq if memory serves right
forest edge
only saw one cause the other caught fire
clear ferry
Pff, it was a fully equipped cab @forest edge😛
So I could charge my laptop while taking a ride
forest edge
lol
truth be told I'm actually surprised outlets in vehicles weren't a standard in euro vehicles since the 80's lol
sour escarp
the electronics were too inefficient
forest edge
just seems like one of those things that part of the world would have deemed a must have lol
sour escarp
used too much power
forest edge
that or they thought the internet memes of seeing extensions cords running from people's vehicle sinto thier homes would be a bad look haha
clear ferry
We do that with car heaters since the 80s
forest edge
lol
sour escarp
didn't the guy who was an early engineer at apple invent the switching power supply? probably really expensive back then
forest edge
@clear ferry I could picture some of you chucking a space heater inside a car to keep it toasty while not in use rotf
sour escarp
lol
on the other side of that, ever seen a car with an evaporative cooler hooked to the window?
low harness
Most cars in Sweden have a mains outlet inside, but it's connected to power outside the car.
sour escarp
them little space heaters draw a fuckton of current, hope you guys have multiple batteries
i have a few of them and excessive use exceeds the cost of natural gas heating
low harness
For a space heater, and connected in parallell with heating elements in the engine block.
sour escarp
wait, how is that different than a standard car heater?
core, blower, engine heat... standard car heater right?
low harness
I guess?
clear ferry
low harness
Just don't see it as standard often.
sour escarp
i've never seen anything like that before
clear ferry
low harness
That's what I'm talking about.
sour escarp
maybe something you only see in extreme cold?
clear ferry
We have 9months of winter
sour escarp
ah ok
low harness
Yeah. It's awesome when it's -20 to get into a warm car that starts on the first attempt.
clear ferry
More modern cars have Webasto or eberspacher
sour escarp
we get like 2 months of winter and even that is generally in the 50-60s
maybe a few weeks where it goes below 40f
clear ferry
We get -30-40c
sour escarp
gross
clear ferry
~c2f -40
velvet horizonBOT
low harness
Controlling the car heaters is a major part of my !!Home Assistant!! system
That's not the spoiler tag...
clear ferry
Ruh ruh
hushed basalt
Mawwdss
clear ferry
Better hope @clever mortar doesn't see you 
velvet horizonBOT
Tinkerer is away for 1m 13s with a message :point_right: Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness.
hushed basalt
🚓
clear ferry
@måds
hushed basalt
🔨
clear ferry
I have a beautiful voice
Some call it soothing
Come to think of it, noone in here has heard my voice
clear ferry
@low harness was busy when I was in his home town, @last dirge never met me
Hang on I see a pattern
hushed basalt
It's not me, it's you
clear ferry
clear ferry
And frenck killed the voice channels after I said he had a smooth jazz baritone voice
forest edge
those are electric element (like toaster wire) heaters you guys let run in your cars all night?
what is the fire rate? lmao
clear ferry
Never happened afaik
forest edge
they must be very low then
clear ferry
They are 800-2000w mostly
forest edge
like pumping out 40f air lol
well 2kw is not low
that would cause a decent fire lol
forest edge
that's crazy. noway would that ever be leagl here
legal
engine block warmer, oil pan warmer sure.. but no heater in vvehicle
clear ferry
We do it all, and never have issues 😛
hushed basalt
Wait what
forest edge
majority must not be 2k watts then cause that's a fire hazard even in a home
hushed basalt
You put heaters in your car overnight?
forest edge
yea lol
clear ferry
The has been some cases of car fires the last few years, but they all were newer cars that were driving on the road, so guessing electric started
sour escarp
they are probably just enough current to keep the car from freezing into pieces
clear ferry
Most of the ones I find while doing a shopping search now are 1300-1600
hushed basalt
Are these cars in your garage
sour escarp
what is the temp in the car when you go out to it in the morning?
hushed basalt
So you have like an extension cord running out?
clear ferry
Yes
hushed basalt
Do you have a socket on the outside
low harness
Depends. But it’s usually enough to keep the ice from the windshield.
clear ferry
Yes
hushed basalt
How bizarre
sour escarp
59F, that is reasonable
hushed basalt
Can't you just like, make the whole city warmer
forest edge
lol
sour escarp
haha
clear ferry
@hushed basalt that is what the rest of the world is trying
forest edge
yea you guys could just burn all the old tech you hold onto to warm up the entire country lol
hushed basalt
Or burn some of that oil they export ;)
sour escarp
propane!
clear ferry
When I grew up the standard car engines in Norway were 0.9-1.8l engines
People with us models had 5.3-7.3l engines
sour escarp
we need to pull 5th wheel trailers up hills at 90mph
clear ferry
Now if you only saw the 70degree angle hills we have in Norway 😛
hushed basalt
Lies
forest edge
I miss the days of trans ams
sour escarp
it there was still a trans am it would just look like a modern camaro
forest edge
if the engine bay of the car wasn't longer then the rest of the car your vehicle was cosidered a grandmas car
low harness
I’m by my car now. Here’s some more pictures.
hushed basalt
Never quite understood car culture
forest edge
and that came from factory with that plug?
hushed basalt
Anslut lol
low harness
They’re usually retrofited, I’d say.
sour escarp
hushed basalt
@ocean mirage how many families do you know with kids over 16 who have like 6 cars for 4 people
sour escarp
that was my granny car
ocean mirage
Like none tbh
low harness
But the car’s prepared for it
ocean mirage
is that meant to be common
hushed basalt
I know heaps
ocean mirage
I don't talk to people
hushed basalt
Lol
ocean mirage
I enjoy driving but the culture is pretty weird, I agree
hushed basalt
Each person will have their own car, plus a work ute for the dad and that old car that should be put down.
hushed basalt
My friends have 7 cars between two people
ocean mirage
oh actually someone I work withs husband is like that
I don't get that mainly for the reason of like...you could have better cars if you had fewer
hushed basalt
Indeed
ocean mirage
I only need one car, maybe I would want another one if I liked offroading
hushed basalt
We have one car between two people
forest edge
city car and bush car? lol
hushed basalt
I'd like zero cars if transportation was better
Plus can't uber pool with a baby seat
ocean mirage
I have a pretty good bus service plus mine, I but to work when I go
I do like driving my car
hushed basalt
If someone brought out car pooling with TCO less than owning a car I'd happily never own a car again
forest edge
the only automotive type thing made in the au I like are the damn camper trailers. those things are made like beast
forest edge
you do make those offroad campers tho lol
hushed basalt
We just give away our resources and import labour
sour escarp
the idea of not owning a car seems crazy to me but some places it's not financially practical
like manhattan, ny where you have to pay a ridiculous amount of money just to have a parking spot
hushed basalt
Cars are expensive. A lot more expensive than people realise
sour escarp
i couldn't make money without one in vegas
hushed basalt
Even median places where houses are $1m
Think about how much real estate is devoted to garage and driveway
Plus capital costs
Then think of all that cost of land and capital tacked onto a 30 year mortgage
sour escarp
you can own a vehicle really cheap out here and park it on the street
forest edge
yea vehicles here don't have to be expensive at all
hell i got a spare just sitting on a pad out back that hasn't been started in like a year
sour escarp
i do have a two car garage but my mortgage is incredibly cheap and wont go up for 30 years
hushed basalt
Plus registration, insurance, maintenance, repairs,
forest edge
and another parked in a barn that hasn't been started in like 15 years lol
hushed basalt
Like 95% of our population lives on small blocks nowadays
sour escarp
just all depends where you live, our public transportation is unreliable and slow
hushed basalt
Or they're sitting on older blocks which have gone up 20 times in price in 30 years
Ours is shit too
But it's still a huge cost, whether or not it's mandatory
sour escarp
worth it for the freedom to go where you want, when you want and spontaneously even
forest edge
you guys just recently got flooded with a crap ton of immigrants too right? I think that's been going on for while..
hushed basalt
Quite a while
ocean mirage
depends on your definition of flooded
forest edge
yea i think that has had negative impact on your economy over the years
there is like a magic number
clear ferry
Immigration is positive for our economy
forest edge
between when it's beneficial and when it's hurtful
clear ferry
We get a bigger work force that pays more tax
hushed basalt
hushed basalt
Most of our immigration is unskilled labour to depress wages
The long and the short of it
hushed basalt
Norway doesn't have a big unskilled migration intake does it?
forest edge
I don't think norway folk give a shit lol
clear ferry
We take anyone 🤷
sour escarp
there is a large costs to taking in immigrants as well, there is no net positive
and the people that suffer the most are naturals that use to be the unskilled labor
ocean mirage
what costs do you mean
forest edge
does NZ get flooded too or did they cap that off?
sour escarp
well, in the US at least a large part of the costs is in healthcare
hushed basalt
But the wage suppression is the key negative
Countries subscribed to reaganomics have a literal government level mandate to supress and deflate wages. Not just restrict growth, but to reduce total.
As in it's not a "whoops we didn't do too well at the economy". It's an actual goal at policy level.
sour escarp
easier to get the immigrants to vote for you, all they care about is protecting their own job and existence
hushed basalt
It's a similar thing to the trickle down
sour escarp
corruption is fueled by people that run countries who know nothing about economics
hushed basalt
Sold as a "benefit" but was always a con
sour escarp
like career politicians
sour escarp
you give too much credit
ocean mirage
Yeah they are looking after themselves pretty damn well
hushed basalt
Our loss is someone elses gain
sour escarp
markets are not predictable, even by those at the top, they have influence but not control
the influence is huge but it's not definitive
hushed basalt
The people at the very top are above the economy anyways
Money is for the rest of us.
sour escarp
the unfortunate thing is the political world is an exclusive club, left, right, middle, sideways, upside down, whatever your position, these people are all part of an exclusive club, are typically groomed for their positions and I can assure you they are not a great representation of real people yet they dictate decisions in our lives
anyway, that is all for now heh
forest edge
move to alaska, buy a large plot of land and build a cabin and just forget about evverything else lol
ocean mirage
alaska be cold
forest edge
well till global warming changes everything and you get more and more neighbors lol
sour escarp
yeah, fuck that
forest edge
hell we may all be flocking to norway within the next 20 years lol
ocean mirage
never
sour escarp
wait, you mean climate change, right?
forest edge
you say nevver but your au ass will be cooking long before we will lol
sour escarp
like what has been happening on the earth since before human existence
forest edge
lol
sour escarp
would be cool to visit au
forest edge
better hurry
forest edge
oh man, sydney isn't a shithole now is it?
sour escarp
ok, get to work and let me know when done
sour escarp
so it's always been a shithole?
forest edge
that was one of the places i wanted to visit atleast once
ocean mirage
I don't like big cities anyway though, too many people
so it got off to a bad start
sour escarp
locals don't generally like tourist areas so that makes sense
ocean mirage
I only go for concerts as my city is too small to get some acts
sour escarp
unless they make money there
forest edge
yea we don't like them either lol
sour escarp
i live in the city but stay as far as possible from the strip area
ocean mirage
away from paradise, so to speak
sour escarp
good for finding one night standers hehe
forest edge
with gifts that keep on giving lol
ocean mirage
if thats your thing, im sure it is
sour escarp
well, hookers and blow i hear
forest edge
saw something on a documentary that over 30% of japans people under 30 are virgins.. that is nuts
ocean mirage
I believe there is a whole bunch of people who identify with that there
like...as a thing
forest edge
was like 32% or something weird
sour escarp
i wouldn't know if that statistic isn't normal
forest edge
it's not normal, it's an actual country emergency
they even put forth goverment funded groups to try and rectify it
sour escarp
ok bed time, night
forest edge
I think 30 is a concern, but would be happy if we suffered a 20 and younger crises like that here in the states lol
l8tr
ocean mirage
Are they concerned because population reasons or because they don’t want to be a bunch of virgins
Also why would that make you happy
hushed basalt
I think Japan is below replacement levels
I personally don't subscribe to the economic theory that populations need to increase though
Doesn't pass the sniff test to me
ocean mirage
We have the resources to care for older people regardless, but think about the profits!
hushed basalt
I just think the two are completely unrelated
But it's one of many excuses to distort the economy to benefit the top
forest edge
population issues is the concern. and it would make me happy cause we could do with less pre 20's couples having children and ending up on welfare
strange vapor
https://twitter.com/TheFigen/status/1228673200181174272 Automating bulb replacment
hushed basalt
Plot twist
There's no light switch and that's how the lights are turned on and off
clear ferry
@forest edge just do less pickups and guns, less rednecks will follow 
dull chasm
rednecks will be your friends when the zombie's come
dull chasm
then your the enemy 🤣
clear ferry
valid halo
Look if the zombies come
I'm gonna goto Utah
them Mormons make a real good habit of stockpiling food and supplies
You can't eat an AK-16
clever mortar
A Rust Monster would bed to differ 😉
hearty depot
Fuuu*k so frustrating. There I try the whole day to get SSLveryfyClient running and whenever I activate the option I get protocol errors
dull chasm
@valid halo ak16 no such thing ....ak 47 or m16 ....come on now
but the gun can shoot something you can eat
@tidal bronze you ever tried REW ....that shit is serouis
and with no weapons the mormons will become food along with thier bounty
tidal bronze
@dull chasm what's that ?
dull chasm
i also found out ypao doesnt do well with subs on .... it adjusted my presence to 8db hot
and subs set with gain at 12 oclock to -10 db
tidal bronze
Going to try it out. Already have the focusrite
dull chasm
warning it may cause you to redesign room
tidal bronze
Lol, crawling sub test usually works for me.
dull chasm
lol i have no choice on speaker placement due to furinture /people ....maybe i sell them and furniture and have one seat 🤣
tidal bronze
I tune for 1 / my seat only
dull chasm
so you dont do multi measure
tidal bronze
Nopes.
dull chasm
just a sec i will take pics and you will see i have no choice on placement LOL and i sit way to close to two speakers
tidal bronze
Sadly most titles have less than optimal audio tracks, placement and headroom on capture. Sometimes I wonder if all the effort in reproduction hardware is going to waste. Cinema DSP is great filling in the surrounds but suck at handling subs.
dull chasm
I hope that’s puts things in perspective I sit by blue Blakey
see how close to side and back surrond by laptop
tidal bronze
So where is your rear presence located ?
dull chasm
on back wall behind couch at the cieling
tidal bronze
That's surround back.
dull chasm
no surrond back is the tall speakers
dull chasm
yea i have no choice
tidal bronze
Why not move the tops to the side wall in front of surrounds.
tidal bronze
Ceiling then.
dull chasm
with that type speaker?
tidal bronze
You have no center stage top coverage at all. So no center height
boreal pewter
Looks like grandpa style
dull chasm
@boreal pewter thats cool ...i am a grandpa
boreal pewter
😂
tidal bronze
Any ceiling 6.5" with articulating tweeters should do it.
Angular cone would be better but directional highs matter most.
dull chasm
i dont follow
dull chasm
so where would i put and wire to what
dull chasm
thats plus the the speakers i got a ceiling/wall now
tidal bronze
You don't need the tops on the wall with a slant.
dull chasm
i know but i have no attic is why i got them
tidal bronze
You can try the killing with AI or Cinema DSP ES it's on Netflix
clear ferry
The one on the wall by the TV
dull chasm
oh ....i made that out of wood ....prolly 300 pieces of small wood clued
clear ferry
Ooof impressive
dull chasm
its praying hands on a cross .... if you look you will prolly see several angels and stuff ..... i am very religous but i dont say much about it
its a exact copy of the hands of my boyhood priest .... all natural cypress wood ...the diff colors are just diff types of those trees
clear ferry
It looked like snakes around the hands from here
dull chasm
Better?
clear ferry
Aye, it's the cloak I see 😂
Do you muuuuuricans use cheese cutters? I brought one to new Zealand, they had never seen one
clear ferry
I have consumed all the cherry sours @scenic radish
Pray I do not consume more
Now I've started on the blow pops
The blow was good, the pop was shite
scenic radish
Verdict on the sours?
clear ferry
tidal bronze
Hopefully will get some time to finish this up today. Clean up the garage a bit.
scenic radish
what a time to be alive
dull chasm
my wife automates that pretty well
dull chasm
no
wife.awesome
I live happy and eat good
midnight adder
I also ordered it because I'm getting fucking tired of making rice
midnight adder
i mean lets be fair @dull chasm, a hundred bucks for a rice cooker is much cheaper than a wife
this one gets steamy whenever I want it as well
tidal bronze
@midnight adder so what you trying to say ? Wives are expensive?
scenic radish
Mail order ones, yeah
orchid rose
Harder to automate too
tidal bronze
@scenic radish easy tiger !!!
midnight adder
I enjoyed IT as a kid, I was doomed to begin with
dull chasm
you make no sense
scenic radish
no u
rain swift
who needs a wife when you have home assistant?
rain swift
yet
scenic radish
Her
rain swift
that rice cooker makes me want to buy something xiaomi
scenic radish
Wut?
rain swift
@dull chasm is way ahead of us apparently in being married to his home assistant.
clear ferry
clever mortar
.topic @cosmic swift
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
Questions about the frontend go in #frontend-archived
brisk glen
I keep forgetting there is a .topic command here ... like irc
rain swift
OI, you got a loicense for that topic!
cosmic swift
🤐
tidal bronze
All the other channels are super busy 🤣 guess he didn't get a chance to type the question and hit enter. Oh well. Perhaps waited for 24 hours and no one responded. 🤔
rain swift
I'm watching a video on esphome stuff, think I'm gonna order some parts from the amazon and tinker around.
last dirge
heh
rain swift
I feel like it's a rabbit hole, once you can make your own sensors haha
brisk glen
too much time
tidal bronze
Unless you are doing analog level inputs, for motion, door etc not much use doing DIY when zigbee is super cheap.
rain swift
and actually now that I added up the cost of the parts for the multi sensor, you're close to zwave money lol
or that
got me first zigby sensor coming
just a water sensor, but probably buy all kinda stuff.
tidal bronze
Once you add enclosure and/or 3d print time, close to pointless
rain swift
ah well, looks cool anyways
might be useful for very specific setups
but yeah, this zigby stuff is pretty cheap
tidal bronze
Yep of course cool to say it. Been there, done that. Just like the UI, themes, colors and icons gets old and thing of the past pretty quick.
rain swift
yeah, my lovelace is pretty basic lol
I like to keep all the views to where they just work on a small phone screen or a bigger laptop screen.
I'm more interested in function
tidal bronze
If you have all the sensors, logic and automations no need for UI, unless for cool factor
rain swift
what can i make this mf do for me.
tidal bronze
I don't need another Harmony 🤣
rain swift
yeah I only use a few things in the UI, and others are just there if I need them.
need moar sensors though
are there any good zigby multi sensors?
or maybe I'll just get some more straight up motion sensors.
I need some more coverage.
tidal bronze
Samsung 19.99 motion and temp
rain swift
tidal bronze
Yep. Usually 19.99
rain swift
nice, are the plugs any good? it says they do power monitoring. https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-SmartThings-GP-U999SJVLBAA-Optional-Automated/dp/B07PY4YPTF/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1LDO3A9YAU439&keywords=zigby%2Bmotion%2Bsensor&qid=1581885216&sprefix=zigby%2Bmotion%2Ctools%2C166&sr=8-5&th=1
tidal bronze
Not into power monitoring so don't have a clue.
rain swift
oh, it's battery powered, hmm wonder what kinda life it gets
I don't care about power monitoring either except I'd like to rig up the washer and dryer to know when they are done lol
rain swift
yeah, me either, I'm open to ways, someone in here said they use a sensor that knows when its moving instead.
tidal bronze
@clear ferry samsung motion is far better than xiaomi motion. Actually the xiaomi is good for small places. There is random lag on motion to transmit as well.
scenic radish
Gotta say I'm pretty impressed with the wyze sense contact and motion sensors
clear ferry
Is it? I've had no issues
scenic radish
There's a FORBIDDEN TOPIC custom component
tidal bronze
As you know I use serious amount of sensors. So this is from long term usage.
clever mortar
I've had zero issues with my Xiaomi, so far
scenic radish
How many sensors 4️⃣ ✈️ ?
tidal bronze
They are good but not as great as Samsung sensor to sensor.
@scenic radish lol. Few here and there.
tidal bronze
Same here. 🤣
tidal bronze
🥃
scenic radish
Tbh, everything from ballast point is good
scenic radish
Ooooo
rain swift
@scenic radish these? https://wyze.com/wyze-sense.html
I might get some, I wanna put a cheap smart bulb outside the front door and a cheap motion sensor that just does motion and will last a while.
scenic radish
Not sure what your climate is like, but anything battery-powered might suffer outdoors if it gets cold enough
rain swift
floriduh
doesn't get too extreme one way or another
and it would be under an overhang
I don't see them on amazon, bastards, are they zigbee?
scenic radish
Proprietary unfortunately
9xx MHz
(I think)
But I didn't care because I'm using a... certain software to consolidate everything
clear ferry
No issues here so far with Xiaomi button as a doorbell, with -15c as most this winter
I'm building something LoRA based for my mailbox though
rain swift
I don't see motion sensors on the xiaomi site
clear ferry
4 lyfe
rain swift
they do have this though https://xiaomi-mi.us/mi-smart-dog/xiaomi-smart-dog-button-tag-blue/
tidal bronze
Lol. Nothing for lyfe. Brand loyalty is so 90's
clear ferry
Will never buy a quadflight product again! Will try another brand next time 
tidal bronze
You remind me of camera fan boys like Canon and Nikon @clear ferry brand bragging while apple and Samsung swept the rug under them. 😂
tidal bronze
Conbee 2
rain swift
yeah buddy, f google anytime I can
I forgot about tradfri https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/tradfri-led-bulb-e26-806-lumen-wireless-dimmable-warm-white-opal-90457170/
pow, I can add them to the hue hub
rain swift
yep, wife will like this project.
hushed basalt
I wonder if losing google pay is worth rooting my phone
I hate samsung bloat and features so much
There's the warranty issue with Samsung and rooting but I'm almost out of warranty At 2 years
rain swift
I've never used Google pay
forest edge
Always root your phone if you can. Samsung bloatware is worse than malware
hushed basalt
Can't even disable bixby button
And half the stuff in tasker doesn't work
And it's.. so..painfully...slow
tidal bronze
Root ? In 2020? 🤔
scenic radish
My thoughts exactly
hushed basalt
?
scenic radish
I think the last time I rooted a phone was when I had the nexus 5
tidal bronze
Ages ago.
hushed basalt
Samsung tho
tidal bronze
What phone are you using ? @hushed basalt
scenic radish
Yeah I guess I don't have experience with their stuff
hushed basalt
S8
tidal bronze
Oh
scenic radish
Oh
tidal bronze
I don't use anything more than 1 year. No idea about bloat and stuff you are talking about. @hushed basalt I think I did have the s8 for few months.
hushed basalt
You get a new phone every year?
tidal bronze
6 months.
scenic radish
What????
tidal bronze
S and the Note
hushed basalt
RIP environment
tidal bronze
Primary driver is always the note
hushed basalt
I couldn't even be bothered setting up a new phone every six months
tidal bronze
Nothing to setup. Exchange and few apps.
scenic radish
glances nervously with OG Pixel XL
tidal bronze
The good old days with titanium backup and all that brew-ha-ha. 😄
scenic radish
Yup
forest edge
Wtf new phone every few months? Why?
Pixel 9000 will release and this pixel 3 will still be in my pocket lol
He'll this phone was my upgrade from the s4 mini lmao
tidal bronze
@forest edge don't eat for few months so I can get a phone. 😜
forest edge
You must be skinnier than a Ethiopian than lol
tidal bronze
As long as I can get that new phone 🤣 😂
tidal bronze
@forest edge pixel 9000? Guess you have a different life expectancy than all of us. 🤔 are you on a jujubee diet ?
mild moss
hi, anyone can ell me why the gui and scripts.yaml are not in sync?
i emptied scripts.yaml and scripts still appear
scenic radish
tidal bronze
Tedi be like https://tenor.com/VTzR.gif
scenic radish
Lmao
tidal bronze
Telco be like https://tenor.com/HWBc.gif
scenic radish
tidal bronze
I will definitely try that if you can make this little faster.
hushed basalt
Should have got on a Musk Hyperloop
For those yall who fly alot, is it always in economy?
tidal bronze
Not unless flight changes / last minute etc. Gets upgraded anyway.
hushed basalt
Work paying?
tidal bronze
Work for myself, depends on the task.
scenic radish
Your boss sounds like a real dick
tidal bronze
Total one at that.
@scenic radish see what a good employee I am, suffering since 2001 and not uttering a word other than "yes sir"
tidal bronze
Can you share wifi on iPhone ?
ocean mirage
share...wifi?
tidal bronze
ocean mirage
I don't see the option, no
though I don't fully understand
why would they not just connect to the wifi?
tidal bronze
Example you pay for inflight wifi, and share that with multiple. Technically you're not supposed to do it 😂 but.......
ocean mirage
Ohh I see, makes sense
rain swift
on the other, i've been buying google phones for years, no bloatware and the G1 is the last one I rooted.
I've been running my phones for 3 years before I get a new, I also buy them cash and pay $30 a month for the bill lol.
on another subject, how many of you live with motion controlled lights INSIDE of the house? I am pondering it, I don't know how I feel about it.
tidal bronze
Entire place is motion controlled including driveways😄
Wouldn't do it any other way. Only 1 light that works on time for 3 hours at night till 22:00 then goes back to motion 😀
tough igloo
I’m loving that #motioncontrollyfe
The RGB leds in the bathroom are great for those late night trips 🚽
Too much 🍺 or 🍸
tidal bronze
Hard to find the perfect balance for guest rooms so use minimotes to override to guest's liking.
tidal bronze
Best is grafana with motion before you do anything, look at behavior for few weeks months.
rain swift
that makes a lot of sense, but how hard is it to set up grafana
tidal bronze
Few clicks on docker. Many guides for influx plus grafana.
By looking at switch/motion behavior you can make the automations feel more organic.
last plaza
@tidal bronze every time I see you go to NY, I feel sorry for you! 😛
rain swift
there's a add on for ha for grafana
last plaza
Of course I am talking about leaving sunny California weather to go to cold NY weather.
tidal bronze
This time was pretty bad. 14f wtf
rain swift
actually there is an influxdb addon too
I don't wanna go to new york or california. 🤣
tidal bronze
Sour grapes ?
rain swift
nah, I just don't care for the rules they make people live by there. 🙂
tidal bronze
😂
Only issue I had was when LA tried to stop boiling live crabs. Everything else is dandy. Ran and voted that time 😃
rain swift
tried to stop boiling live crabs.
yeah, thats so far beyond the kind of micromanagement I want of my life its not even funny lol
maybe they should do something with the poop and drug needles on the streets of san francisco first lol
tidal bronze
Been to many places wouldn't trade it for anything else. 😄
last plaza
@rain swift are you in the USA currently?
tidal bronze
With all those issues Bay area runs your life 😜 @rain swift
rain swift
I live in Florida
So yes
I've never been outside the US, I don't feel like I'm missing much. 😂
tidal bronze
Oh boy,
hushed basalt
Whelp
To be fair I only really left Australia for the first time at 28
I feel like media and such in US is very myopic though
Like in Australia 90% of our content was from northern america or UK
scenic radish
Too scared to go to Straya
tidal bronze
"General Magic" ?
ocean mirage
Nothing scary here
hushed basalt
Which country has rattle snakes, grizzly bears, mountain lions?
ocean mirage
Ain’t no anti venom for being mauled
hushed basalt
Plus scorpions and wolves
hushed basalt
Most dangerous thing in Aus is probably UV
ocean mirage
What about rich cunts
hushed basalt
Well true but that's universal
Doubt there's much UV in norwat
We're not even supposed to go outside midday hours at summer
scenic radish
Drop bears
ocean mirage
drop bears are easy to spot
hushed basalt
Plus they haven't been sighted since 1862
Only the mangled corpses of their victims are the only way we know they still exist
storm summit
clear ferry
@hushed basalt so you finally admit, you are the killer
In the observatory with a motion sensor
Or in the study with a smart plug
forest edge
wouldn't that be a typical norway serial killer mmo?
clear ferry
No, that would be unrealistic as we have like 3 murders a year on average, and they are either betrayed spouse or some freak gang killing
ocean mirage
thats a lot of people if you look at it per capita
clear ferry
Still one of the world lowest I believe
tough igloo
Well Australia has largest co2 per capita so we murderin the planet baybee!!
clear ferry
Fires not helping I guess
ocean mirage
Thats before accounting for that
ocean mirage
the PM just gives a somewhat untrue figure for our global contribution
and probably just thinks its gods will anyway
tough igloo
Yeah he’s pretty much a mad man
clear ferry
ocean mirage
every day I struggle to comprehend his support
or working class peoples support of the far right in general...but hey
clear ferry
I struggle to comprehend my own support
ocean mirage
You should try a brassiere
forest edge
@clear ferry you probably have way more you all just chalk it up to "accident" cause you don't know any better 😝
"oh fred died falling on to his knife, just another accident in norway"
clear ferry
I actually know a Fred
Fred-Gjøran
A proper redneck name
Phonetically for you lot it would be Fredd-Churahn
Or something
forest edge
hyphenating a name like fred is just weird lol
clear ferry
Rednecks do that a lot
forest edge
when we hypen names the hypen just means a short pause but it's all the same first name
like tammy-lynn
or whatever
ocean mirage
Still redneck af lol
tough igloo
In Australia is Chardonnay-Mercedes
forest edge
yea girls names with -lynn are redneck or inner city hoochie lol
that be one hell of a first name
would grow to hate signing my name lol
ocean mirage
you can sign whatever you want though
forest edge
not on legal documents
ocean mirage
thats definitely not the case here
hushed basalt
Yeah I'm pretty sure a signature is just a mark
But you do have to use your legal name in the name sections
Whether that's cursive, printed or typed
faint bison
Hello all, just updated to Home Assistant 0.105.4 and my Telldus live integration broke. anyone have the same problem? Just sensors show up , all switches are gone...
flint spear
Hi everyone. Im just new here and wondering where on the forum you can ask for help regarding setting upp a smart home (with specific needs), Didnt find an intuitive place on the forum to do so. Cheers.
hushed basalt
@flint spear what are your specific needs?
ember kayak
Hello all. I recently had great success automating my church's HVAC system with Hassio, and now I want to start working on my own home. I have a Honeywell thermostat with white, yellow, green, and red wires (I'm hoping these follow some standard). I believe it would be compatible with, say, a Nest, but Nest's prices are highway robbery. Is there a good project for replacing such a thermostat with an Ardruino-based chip that connects to Hassio? For integrating our Mitsubishi units, there was a firmware project that worked out-of-the-box with OTA updates, web-based configuration, etc. - it would be awesome to find a similar, ready-made firmware for a home thermostat. Any ideas?
crude finch
@ember kayak you may want to check if your energy company has rebates for purchasing smart thermostats. I was able to get my Ecobee directly from them for $35
last dirge
putting an arduino on infrastructure like that is asking for problems
rain swift
Well Norway is 86.2% norwegian and there's only 5 million people there, so 3 murders a year (that they report and that you know of), isn't really impressive at all.
clear ferry
rain swift
my train of thought got derailed, damn.
oh yeah, so on android phones you can "cast" the youtube app to a smart TV, which from what I can tell just tells the TVs youtube app what to play, anyone know of a way to do that from the browser on a regular computer?
clear ferry
My lg TV I can do that from chrome I believe
tidal bronze
@rain swift if you have CC or TV with CC, Chrome 
Cast
rain swift
I don't have a chrome cast, I know I can cast to the TV from my phone, I can't even remember setting it up at this point lol.
maybe the tv has chromecast and that is how that is working.
tidal bronze
Yep, if it has built-in CC
rain swift
it shows my rokus and says not supported lol booo
flint spear
@hushed basalt Automate lights, blinds, audio, tv, and what should happen when someone calls on skype on a windows computer (which I also plan to vm homeassistant on). Its for a person that has alzheimers.
tidal bronze
@flint spear you can use eventghost for skype https://github.com/OrbitalDan/EventghostSkypePlugin
rain swift
nm its there
woohoooo
now...can you send videos from FORBIDDEN TOPIC to a TV using cast. 🤔
flint spear
@tidal bronze Thansk :). Would you recommend only using eventghost for the full automation or integrate it with home assistant?
tidal bronze
Integrate. Just use EG for the skype part. Would love to see what you come up with since it's a great cause.
clear ferry
Skype? I thought that was dead by now, I haven't been logged in for atleast two years, and already then nobody was using it
flint spear
Thanks :). Yes. Do you have any suggestions for where I can make a post for the project and get input on the forum? Discord is great for fast feedback, but rather collect it at one place. Just didnt figure out in which sub-forum it should go.
tidal bronze
Maybe someone can direct you, I rarely visit forums so don't want to advise on things I don't know. If you have questions more than welcome to DM
flint spear
I actually dont mind using something else, just needs to be something that all people who want to call him has, ideally both on their phones and computers. Would like the call to set the tv to show the videocall (the webcam will be on top of tv).
@tidal bronze Thansk, thats very nice and welcoming of you.
clear ferry
It's probably the most universal one, I just didn't know the service was still in use
flint spear
Dont know why i write thansk all the time. I of course mean thanks 🙂
tidal bronze
So 35% noise? Outstanding ! 🤣
scenic radish
@flint spear home assistant is off-topic in this channel. #330944238910963714 or #672217570283094017 for installation questions (or maybe #hardware-archived if you're asking about a specific machine)
flint spear
Ok, thanks
boreal pewter
It's forbidden because it is illegal here, would a german politicain say now 😄
clear ferry
Verboten!
A German project manager told me to bring a suitcase next time I visit
I'm suspecting weissbier
strange vapor
clear ferry
I saw a similar one for thermostats
autumn tartan
@flint spear you can start by posting on the “share your projects” section of the hass forum...
flint spear
@autumn tartan Thanks, thats what I figured after reading some of the threads, although some similar threads also could be found in Uncategorised.
strange vapor
@brisk glen Seemingly it's legit, but I tend to distrust Indiegogo,. They don't verify projects before they go live.
brisk glen
Yah...
scenic radish
i'm not sure how adding this to your printer makes it a "smart printer" lol
also... you can get a wi-fi smart plug for cheaper if you want your dumb coffeemaker to be a "smart coffeemaker"
honest geode
My espresso machine doesn't turn on from just turning on the outlet
scenic radish
fair point, what i said only applies to those with mechanical instead of electronic controls
honest geode
For that, I agree 🙂
scenic radish
however... would you want this giant wart on the front of your coffeemaker? lol
honest geode
Absolutely.. not
honest geode
Would look rather "out of place" on the front
scenic radish
damn son
orchid rose
Someone design something like this for my sauna. I gave up doing it myself because powering issues and the high probability of me burning down the building
jagged mantle
Like what?
orchid rose
a button that turns it on
jagged mantle
Relay?
orchid rose
or rather it needs to be a stepper motor or something
that would require me to modify it a bit too much myself. I did look into it
it's a three phase system so it's outside of my comfort zone
honest geode
A simple servo from an RC car is more than sufficient
No need for it to be a stepper motor, that's like shooting birds with cannons (which can be fun, but they tend to splatter)
orchid rose
true
But the bigger problem was trying to keep it as safe as possible. I thought it might not be the greatest idea insurance wise
something that I could quickly put on it than runs on a battery would be optimal, but just not really that easy to do DIY
scenic radish
NEEDS TO SEAT 20! NEXT!!
rain swift
it's absolute trash that my bank will only let me activate a new card over the phone, and then their system wouldn't take the expiration date and locked me out after 3 tries, I do not want to talk to a person and if I do, I'm going to ream them inside out for this BS.
clear ferry
Lol, I have never activated a card over phone, did it via internet since.... 2001
Before that it was just in bank
But since 2011 it has been activated before it arrived in my mailbox
rain swift
that seems like a dumb idea if someone gets your card in the mail, but having to do it over the phone is ridiculous.
clear ferry
Never happened, and I order a new card every 1-2 years
And I have 4 cards total that I replace that often
And I get an SMS whenever any of my credit cards get used, my debit one whenever the value is above $100 🤷
forest edge
never understood the point of having multiple credit cards
I have one cc with a very large limit lol
clever mortar
One for me, one for us, one for work...
clear ferry
I have 1 personal, one work, and two debit ones, one shares and one personal
forest edge
work cc dosen't count
clear ferry
Why not?
clever mortar
Oh, I've got an actual work one too, but that doesn't give me points 😉
forest edge
cause thats work, not you
clear ferry
It still gets delivered in my mailbox, fully activated 😛
Which was the discussion we were having
forest edge
yea but that isn't what I'm talking about. work dosen't count lol
scenic radish
No joke, I have a $50,000 credit limit on one of my cards lmao
That is...almost my yearly salary
Why you ask? I just kept asking for increases every few months until it turned into a game
...to see how high I could get it
forest edge
yea these CC's don't count either Tediore lol https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1RN6HIXXXXXb_XVXXq6xXFXXXc/Kids-Blue-Simulation-Credit-Card-Pose-ABS-Environmentally-Friendly-Plastic-Toy-Sets-Pretend-Play-G18-New.jpg
scenic radish
lel
steel urchin
Multiple lines of credit can help your scores in America
clear ferry
Yeah, that shit makes no sense to us in the eu
steel urchin
But if you don't get points, change cards! I copped just under 3k in Amazon cards for then event move, was awesome
steel urchin
Keeps your debt utilization low
clear ferry
The only thing that increases our scores is no missed payments, good income, only thing that hurts it is too much loans compared to income
steel urchin
And yeah it can definitely screw you up
We also consider utilities and build like cell
Bills like*
clear cairn
I usually change CC's at least once a year. I have one that I keep then another I'll cancel and switch to another. It's often worth doing depending on sign up bonus. Annual fee's etc.
brisk glen
and usually piss poor for credit
clear cairn
It depends my credit rating stays pretty high and stable. My CC's intentionally have low limits though so I'm not that much of a risk.
brisk glen
@clear ferry you also bring in like 20k a month
clear cairn
I work them out based on net benefit. I'm fine with paying a fee if the benefits I gain are of more value than the fee.
forest edge
@clear cairn canceling credit cards can also hurt you
infact they say if you end up with one it's best to just stick in a drawer and forget about it
clear cairn
It definitely can if you're not careful.
clear ferry
No credit cards have any benefits I can't get in other ways or are worth it for me 😛
clear cairn
I'm also in Canada so it's calculated slightly different than the US. Pretty similar though.
forest edge
I just use my bank CC cause I don't give two shits but the woman's discover card has been stupid nice over the years with the gift card redeems. bought so much shit free using those over the years it's insane
clear cairn
One thing I have found is the security of some banks is concerning. I found out the other day one of my banks requires a password contain upper and lower case but when you sign in the password isn't case sensitive.
forest edge
lol
clear ferry
MacBook 🤢
brisk glen
forbidden topic server 😛
forest edge
@brisk glen there's a youtube channel of some small repair shop guy in NY i think that deals with apple products. should watch it cause he really goes into depth trying to fix those turds and points out the great lengths apple has gone to try and intentionally prevent users from being able to repair thier shit.
they just recently tried to pass a law of right to repair or something
buit i think it failed
brisk glen
@forest edge the apple laptop I have is the most reparable apple laptop there is
I just need to give in and buy the keyboard replacement and get to it
molten needle
Unrelated to HA - if I have plex media server running locally, and I am watching a movie on a TV with the Plex app (with the movie being on an hdd attached to the server).. does that take my internet upload speed into account? Since it's technically being streamed from my media server
molten needle
Ok gotchya. I'm just getting really crappy quality
clever mortar
Their forums are usually pretty good at helping track down causes, but transcoding is usually the cause (if the original isn't crappy)
rain swift
@forest edge did you really get stuff for free, businesses aren't in business to give anything away.
molten needle
Would normally the device with the app handle the transcoding?
Like a smart tv for example
clever mortar
Transcoding is always done on the server
molten needle
ok
clever mortar
Whether transcoding happens depends on both the server and the client
molten needle
gotchya
clear ferry
Also, it could be going over the internet