the-water-cooler

[clear ferry]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5yzxbU3DPhyfQvBBJExzb7?si=OWASVPzdQ_Oo2Us4Sr5NLg

Indeed, it was kinda tragic when I was there, multiple hotels had just shut down

[tidal bronze]

User to be cool late 90's never been back since moving to LA, no need when Vegas is 45 minutes out.

[clear ferry]

I was supposed to play a concert in Vegas 5 years ago, but it got cancelled

[tidal bronze]

Even vegas is eh for me now. Just go there for buffet or buffets

[clear ferry]

I just want to go there to see it, then I'm done probably

[tidal bronze]

https://www.caesars.com/las-vegas/restaurants/buffet/buffet-of-buffets

[clear ferry]

Lol

That is so American

😂

[tidal bronze]

Indeed! Eat till you drop.

[clear ferry]

Zzzz still 25 minutes till boarding

[tidal bronze]

Munch on 2 more tasteless items at lounge. 😂

[scenic radish]

Like my sense of humor?

[clear ferry]

I just wanna get on the flight so I can nap a bit, my daughter kept me awake for a few hours

[tidal bronze]

I have lost track of wake/sleep hours now. Zombie mode most of the time.

[clear ferry]

I did that before I had a kid

Now I just need to sleep

https://i.redd.it/4tamv9szhtg41.jpg

The soulless eyes of @tidal bronze in zombie mode

[scenic radish]

[tidal bronze]

I hear you. Next few weeks going to be crazy. Close to 18 or 19 flights. I am going to loose it.

[scenic radish]

That sounds awful

[clear ferry]

I'm gonna have one per week for a few weeks, though that was enough

[scenic radish]

I'm good with maybe one per year

[clear ferry]

Flying to Norwat you say @scenic radish ?

[tidal bronze]

Now I feel for my buddy thats been doing 6 flights a week for past 15 years. Of course a million mile flier but...... Oh boy.

[ocean mirage]

short plane rides are fine but even medium ones I hate

[scenic radish]

May 🇧

[clear ferry]

Had a friend who travelled 220 days a year or something

All around the world

[ocean mirage]

I just hate...lack of legroom

[tidal bronze]

Super cool to have million mile status.

[ocean mirage]

I paid for the wing seats with more legroom last trip I took and it was so so worth it

[clear ferry]

Then he got engaged and wanted to work from home more, think he reduced to 100 days travel per year and lost $60k per year

[ocean mirage]

I wouldn't call it cool per se...

[clear ferry]

@ocean mirage do you have legs the length of Italy?

[ocean mirage]

idk how big is italy

[tidal bronze]

Trust me the perks you get is unreal @ocean mirage

[ocean mirage]

I trust you

im not sure their purpose for flying but either way it seems a bit of an excessive luxury

[clear ferry]

Yeah, he had platinum in every airline imaginable, and did lot of cool stuff on land and sea platforms, but I could never do that much travel

[ocean mirage]

you are from norwat you must be tall right

[clear ferry]

I tower above Americans if that is what you mean

[ocean mirage]

im like 193 I think

[clear ferry]

Fnap

[tidal bronze]

@clear ferry yep elite status on any airline. Never pay for a ticket pretty much.

[clear ferry]

I'm only 185

[ocean mirage]

I'd still expect that would not be the most comfortable

but its the last cm or two that really gets my knees digging into the chair in front

[clear ferry]

And I'm fat as heck

[scenic radish]

183

[clear ferry]

Tallest American I know then @scenic radish

[scenic radish]

🏆

[clear ferry]

When I was in Georgia I met noone that was above 175

[tidal bronze]

175 lbs ?

[clear ferry]

Damn muuricans so tiny wow

[ocean mirage]

hah

[scenic radish]

And about 84 kg (185 lb)

175cm @tidal bronze

[clear ferry]

I lie though, I did see two guys in the office that was 210 and looked like shaq

[ocean mirage]

I weight in at 98kg the other night

gonna try get that down to more like 90

[scenic radish]

I so badly want to get a drink with shaq

[clear ferry]

I used to be 85kgs, then I lived one year in Ireland and came home 120

I'm still around 120

[ocean mirage]

heh

[tidal bronze]

@clear ferry said Georgia and no one above 175 I was like WTH ? 😃

[clear ferry]

🙉

[scenic radish]

Good night all

[ocean mirage]

I was probably closer to 70 before I left schooling lol

night Tediore

[clear ferry]

I did get down to around 100, but I bounced back up

[tidal bronze]

Yep night.

[clear ferry]

[ocean mirage]

hey just weight 97 woo

different times though lol

[clear ferry]

I once did a poop while playing on the Nintendo Wii balance board

And it thought I was a new player when I returned

[ocean mirage]

hahahaha

[clear ferry]

True story too

I never found out the variable, but it must have been like 3kgs

Shit of a lifetime

[ocean mirage]

thats...too high lol

you ever weigh yourself before and after a shit

intentionally

[clear ferry]

Nope

[ocean mirage]

its normally a smaller number than you think

[clear ferry]

But in the past I usually did a number two twice a week

But I got my stomach sorted, so now I do it daily

[ocean mirage]

twice a week

maybe they were big shites

[clear ferry]

The size of a baby Joey!

[ocean mirage]

crikey!

[clear ferry]

Put it on the Barbie!

But seriously, I don't recommend doing it that seldom

[ocean mirage]

im daily, usually on work time

[hushed basalt]

I think I need to quit gluten

I go too much

[ocean mirage]

I think a lot of people would benefit from reducing gluten intake at least

[hushed basalt]

I can't do dairy,

And I don't think I have the genetics to handle gluten

I think my dads heritage was closer to rice and ancient grains,

So never had that euro tolerance

[ocean mirage]

I don't do well with heaps of either but moderation is fine

are you fine with alcohol?

[hushed basalt]

I can't have beer and such

Wine and vodka is okay

Although I mostly have wine or cider almost exclusively

[ocean mirage]

beer makes me feel sick

[clear ferry]

You are a little freak @hushed basalt

[ocean mirage]

but some people cant break down alcohol properly

[hushed basalt]

I suspect my liver doesn't like it haha

I'm pretty sure I've taxed my liver on panadol too much on a few occasions

That's Tylenol for murrricans

[clear ferry]

Or paracetamol for eu people

[hushed basalt]

Beer = instant bloat and gut pain

It's called paracetamol here too

[clear ferry]

What about rice beer?

[hushed basalt]

Can't say I've tried any

[clear ferry]

There is a few

[hushed basalt]

I'm a cheapskate too

Any craft beer is going to be like $30/6

[clear ferry]

I drink so little I don't mind

[hushed basalt]

I'd much rather just drink white wine or cider anyways, and wine is pretty cheap here

"civilised" drinks get taxed a lot less

[clear ferry]

I drink maybe 1 beer a month on average at home

[hushed basalt]

:o

[clear ferry]

If I travel with overnight stays I drink a lot

[hushed basalt]

Our favourite wine is like $12/0.7L

Although prices range from $6 to infinity

[clear ferry]

In France I get the house wine, €1 for 0.7

[hushed basalt]

A house white at a pub/restaurant would cost you about $24

[clear ferry]

In Norway, about $70

[hushed basalt]

USD?

[clear ferry]

Yes

[hushed basalt]

Yeesh

[clear ferry]

A beer out is like $7-12

[hushed basalt]

You should just move to France and work "from home" with your Norwegian salary

Beer out is about $10-14 for a pint

[clear ferry]

Lol, had a previous collegue do that, from Prague

[hushed basalt]

One of the lead devs in Perth I know is moving to London

:/

I mean I know he's getting paid a good chunk more, but his cost of living will go uppppppppppp

[clear ferry]

Lol yes

I looked at buying something close to London

🦆 it is expensive

[clever mortar]

Insane would be more accurate 😛

Then you add in the transport costs, and wonder why anybody would want to put themselves through that

[clear ferry]

I'm still looking for something interesting around Somerset though, but buying is a few years off 😛

Also welcome back

[clever mortar]

👋

Just wait for the flooding to subside before you buy 😛

[clear ferry]

And for brexit to complete

Your fire reminded me of Popululus

Or whatever that game was called

[clever mortar]

Comes from the Minecraft Discord server actually

(one of them anyway)

[clear ferry]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populous_(video_game)?wprov=sfla1

This series

[clever mortar]

Oh... I remember that, vaguely

[clear ferry]

When you were in your mid 40s it was released

Zzzz because of the fire in the parking garage I have to be shuttled to the rental cars

[clever mortar]

Wheee

At least it isn't your car on fire...

[clear ferry]

Well, that would be bad, when I finally have a good working horse

🤣

[midnight adder]

im gay

[boreal pewter]

ok

[worn jasper]

Question for y'all. Anybody setup home assistant on like AWS and setup a VPN to your home network?

[boreal pewter]

HA is not allowed here

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

For chat around things that aren't Home Assistant related, like whether Docker or Kubernetes, or Celcius or Kelvin, or Celcius or Celsius, or anything. NO POLITICS or RELIGION and BE CIVIL to one another or get BANNED permanently.

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[clever mortar]

#general-archived would be a good place

Though, why you'd want to do that... 🤷

[hushed basalt]

Whelp

House is so uninsulated

[quartz ether]

I am currently sitting in a house with all the doors and windows open and still sweating at 11.45 pm.... Please swap

[clever mortar]

We've got about 5 degrees and "breezy" (making it feel about -2)

Window is currently open 😛

[strange vapor]

It's just raining here 😦

[ocean mirage]

rain is good

[strange vapor]

Just a few miles down the road: https://twitter.com/CarlowWeather/status/1228008054878343168

Carlow Weather (@CarlowWeather)

More rain tomorrow morning and heavy rain expected on Saturday and Sunday from #StormDennis so risk of flooding over the coming days. https://t.co/rQx2MOsPGJ

▶ Play video

Twitter

[ocean mirage]

oh Ireland? you probably get enough rain

[strange vapor]

Even got some snow over the week. @clear ferry would probably laugh at what we consider snow, but meh!

[hushed basalt]

I'm not sure people quite understand what the installation channels are for

[orchid rose]

the thing is that at glance the first "home assistant" channel looks like the old home assistant channel. The installation part is easy to miss there

[peak chasm]

ola/

[pure vine]

I only just discovered that there is a rate limit for mobile app notifications

[rain swift]

what up party people.

[midnight adder]

is here someone good with regexp ? I try to harden my SSH config with ansible and cant find out how I set an optional character that it takes #Port 22 or Port 22

[rain swift]

😕

[last dirge]

@midnight adder what have you tried?

[midnight adder]

a lot - most of the time I also capture also #GatewayPorts wich isnt ideal - dream could be a single cahracter long wildcard with the expression behind. for now ^.*?Port
for now on page 26 on https://www.princeton.edu/~mlovett/reference/Regular-Expressions.pdf

[last dirge]

I can't just give you the answer

that'd be cheating 🙂

so what did you try?

[midnight adder]

just monkeying around in Rexrex tester 🙉

[last dirge]

is it going to be at the start of the line?

always?

also, .*? is hilarious

🙂

[midnight adder]

that is the problem, not always - its meight be there meight be not 😛
I guessed so - monkeying is the right word for it probably - first tuches with regexp ever

[last dirge]

oh

[midnight adder]

theyre not as confusing as I heard they where

[last dirge]

welcome to your new favorite pain in the ass

they can be

[midnight adder]

I feel it 🤣

[last dirge]

my earlier question just meant will the value always be at the start of the line

oi @clever mortar do you watch Taskmaster?

[clever mortar]

I don't

[last dirge]

I just stumbled across it on YouTube and it's quite good

[midnight adder]

yea # meight be always only at the start of a line (or not) - but I try to ignore # (<- mind the space) as well

[last dirge]

well the hat means start of the line

^

[clever mortar]

^#?fred

Will match either of the first two, but not the others

fred
#fred
# fred
 #fred

[last dirge]

@midnight adder look at groupings

the dot operator is greedy

so .* will do a LOT of crap you don't want it to do

[clever mortar]

I don't often say this, but perl is handy there as you can make it non-greedy

[midnight adder]

aahhh - neat - thanks - tryed 2 hours around 🙈
I had my fun with the greedy ones already.

[last dirge]

"perl is handy there"

lol

[low harness]

Perl?

Hey, Tinkerer, the -90s paged.

[scenic radish]

Bueller?

[midnight adder]

Wasnt perl that language wich want to make the programmer happy?

[strange vapor]

@low harness Lots of large sites still running on mod_perl. I know of two large insurance companies using them. The Register also uses it: https://www.theregister.co.uk/about/company/website/

[last dirge]

perl is the one that sysadmins loved

but nobody else did

[clever mortar]

I'm not sure about love...

[midnight adder]

sympa stil is driven by perl

[clever mortar]

has been known to be useful in edge cases

[strange vapor]

Hell, half the internet is probably held together by tiny little perl scripts which no one can read anymore, but if removed will take out BGP for whole countries/continents....

[low harness]

That’s the same reason cobol programmers are in such high demand.

[midnight adder]

remindes me - commandline heros got a new season

https://www.redhat.com/en/command-line-heroes

[strange vapor]

@low harness There's a friend of my Uncle's in Toronto who is at retirement age but gets thrown large lumps of cash to stay employed maintaining Cobol at a large Finance house. According to her, a lot of time it's not the Cobol language that's the problem, they can hire people who understand it. What drives staff away is the change control enforced on the code as there really can't be errors when dealing with properly large transactions.

[last dirge]

who needs unit tests though?

[strange vapor]

The change control for some components includes mathematicians and accountants verifying the logic.

[midnight adder]

here a proper text output for sucessful tests 😛
https://pastebin.com/V95NgBBp

[strange vapor]

Should probably look at https://github.com/auchenberg/volkswagen for FORBIDDEN TOPIC 😄

[scenic radish]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-clever-girl-dinosaurs-gif-9559854

[last dirge]

jedi mind CI

[rain swift]

this is what I think of systems center operations manager. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[clear ferry]

Yet another day of business travelling closing up, flight home in 3 hours, so time for some admin work at the airport

[midnight adder]

what youre admining @clear ferry

[clear ferry]

Hours, travel expenses, new flight bookings, follow up the 200 mails I haven't been able to read today

[peak chasm]

national or international?

[clear ferry]

Mostly national

[last dirge]

"domestic"

[peak chasm]

I'd hate new bookings regardless but on international flights it would be a nightmare.

Sorry Brian, domestic is indeed what I meant.

[last dirge]

it's okay, you're a bird

a wading bird

[clear ferry]

We call it national in my native language , so it made sense to me

Or 'innlands' and 'utlands'

[midnight adder]

utc+1 ?

[peak chasm]

Sounds like svensk ish

[clear ferry]

Close, Nørwëgiån

[peak chasm]

Same but then oil money and butter

[clear ferry]

Butter

Wtf

[midnight adder]

poor guy - up into the weekend at around 11PM?

[peak chasm]

too long ago that the butter was black market warez in Norway and people were driving to SWE to get some?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_butter_crisis

[light trout]

That was fun times

[clear ferry]

Yeah, that happened one time, for two weeks

We just made our own butter

[tidal bronze]

Yikes, totally spaced out about Valentine's day, finding a place now..... Hmmm🙄 🤔

[midnight adder]

Yikkesss

Oof

[tidal bronze]

Repercussions of dismissing calender events rather than snoozing. 😂

[clear ferry]

I sent my wife flowers before entering a bunker

She enjoyed them

[peak chasm]

HAH here valentines day is about the woman giving gifts to love interest(s).

[clear ferry]

Then I would never get anything

[peak chasm]

suffice to say I didn't get any chocolate from the wife 😦

Guess I'll rub it in on white day

[clear ferry]

White day?

[scenic radish]

white day?

⚪ 📆 ❓

[peak chasm]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Day

[clear ferry]

https://media.tenor.com/images/84587c4e711147db386d6ee78ebaa884/tenor.gif

sanbai gaeshi

Love it

[tidal bronze]

White chocolate 🤢

[clear ferry]

travel expenses 🤢

[scenic radish]

flying 🤢

traveling 🤢

interacting with literally anyone 🤢

[clear ferry]

the expense cannot be submitted before a matched card transaction is loaded

I don't interact as much as just do magic for people

/giphy magic

no worky! damn you android client that looks like desktop client

I like the new feature of the chromebook where it uses the mobile data of the android phone

instead of creating a hotspot etc

much smoother

[scenic radish]

yeah that is very nice

too bad i can never get smart lock to work on the damn chromebook

it works for like a day and then never again

known issue apparently

[clear ferry]

same here

it worked fine on stable branch

but when I moved to dev it was like

mmhhhhmmmm

[scenic radish]

i'm on stable, no luck

i used to be on beta, then the ability to open more than one terminal window stopped working

[clear ferry]

rofl

I've never had issues with that

[scenic radish]

https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-well-excuse-me-gif-5879060

[clear ferry]

🤣

[clear ferry]

But it's not moving @low harness

It's broken

[low harness]

Well, excuuuuuse me, princess!

[clear ferry]

https://media.tenor.com/images/1a612970c2b9ca468c1a7c5e6be573ac/tenor.gif

[low harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5tkAUNFa4

Thanks for the lay-up.

[clear ferry]

I never saw that version of zelda

[low harness]

You didn't miss anything

[clear ferry]

reminds me I need to rewatch the animated LOTR though

[low harness]

I kind of hope they fired whoever decided that should be Links catch phrase... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac1EdA_QKxI

Really makes you appreciate the mute protagonist of the games.

It used to be a part of the Mario Brothers sitcom thing.

... the early 90s was a weird time for entertainment...

[clear ferry]

I loved the late 80s and early 90s stuff

[low harness]

I'd say things took a turn for the better in 94

September 22nd specifically.

[clear ferry]

[low harness]

Take a guess. Tv shows... 1994...

Could it be more obvious?

[clear ferry]

Xfiles?

[low harness]

...ok, sure. It's a guess...

It's fun to watch @rain swift catching up to the conversation with a trail of smileys.

[last dirge]

haven't I made myself obvious?

haven't I made myself clear?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY8E6N5Nzec

[clear ferry]

Friends 🤢

One of my all time most hated shows

[rain swift]

@low harness yeah, one could argue there's no point in emoting old comments, but meh, I still do it.

also I'm OCD and like to read everything from the red line of where I left off.

unless it's like, a ridiculous amount.

[clear ferry]

Like when @scenic radish finds the gif button @rain swift

[ruby mauve]

For the Proxmox users, using Ubiquiti - Is there a suggested way of installing UniFi on Proxmox? ^^ (still very new in all of this! Installing ubuntu server just for the ubiquiti feels a bit overkill?)

Like, I heard some people suggesting against LXC?

[brisk glen]

@ruby mauve the controller?

[clear ferry]

Proxmox 🤢

[brisk glen]

it can run on anything

[clear ferry]

Ubiquiti 🤢

Ubuntu 🤢

[brisk glen]

I ❤️ my unifi setup

[clear ferry]

Hat trick

[clever mortar]

Run it on a toaster...

[clear ferry]

In think I have a Linux script called toaster

[brisk glen]

hold on.. let me shove a pi in a toaster and make it smart

[clear ferry]

To create system load

[ruby mauve]

The controller, ya

[brisk glen]

@ruby mauve what ever you want

docker, lxc, kvm, vmware, etc

[ruby mauve]

Got it on a RPi right now, but moving everything to something a bit more powerful (not for unifi itself xD)

Am trying out the LXC thing now, following a youtube guide. Let's see how it turns out ^^

[brisk glen]

podman

I rather use docker instead of lxc

easer

[steel urchin]

You're all my valentine, sorry about ya

🤣

[clear ferry]

🤢

Bbt is also one of my most hated shows

[ruby mauve]

I loved it.. Till they dropped the nerdy aspects of it

And went all family and babies and whatever

[clear ferry]

"nerdy"

The mainstream of what people who are not nerdy think nerdy is

[brisk glen]

@ruby mauve linuxserver/unifi-controller

[steel urchin]

I liked it alright, but without a laugh track it's really bad

Bernadette was hot, so I didn't care when the wife put it on lol

[ruby mauve]

I do have the ability to just accept it instead of nitpicking :p I mean, I doubt a real "nerdy" show would do too good outside of youtube.

^ is true.

[steel urchin]

Atx hates everything @ruby mauve, don't take it personally lol

[clear ferry]

The computer chronicles, the only nerdy show I accept

[ruby mauve]

TBBT had Spock, and LeVar Burton. Even Wes!

... I mean Wil Wheaton.

[boreal pewter]

atxblyat is some 70 years grumpy old man, finds everything from 10 years ago much better and throws the money around with his 10k€ monthly income expecting everyone to live like that

[clear ferry]

Sure, so did star trek, which was a hell of a better show and not cringeworthy

https://open.spotify.com/track/5n8CoyFNnQ7bvj5GgEetzz?si=9fh4kgfHSambTLC31pPGew

[ruby mauve]

However, at the time there wasn't any Star Trek going on! Well.. Maybe the JJ Trek, which has some weird fertish for Beastie Boys.

[clear ferry]

Only 10k @boreal pewter ?

[ruby mauve]

I'm so sad I missed Babymetal in Denmark.. like two weeks back.

They're in Manchester on the 22nd though.. It's only like a one hour flight! So tempted.

[clear ferry]

I have two upcoming concerts next week, doubt I'll be allowed any more this quarter 😛

Atleast three more weeks of one day travelling out of town by plane too

I'll be a avis preferred plus soon

Small plane today

[ruby mauve]

Your plane seems to laying on its side. You should look into debugging that.

[clear ferry]

Yeah, probably just a css bug

Devs can sort that out

I'm not much bothered

[last dirge]

is that an airbus?

[young sigil]

So I'm in Antarctica. UTC+5 is strange on the forums. Can access my home assistant dashboard fine, looks like the house sitter has turned off a few of my smart lights 🙄 Don't yet have access to my home servers due to corporate firewall blocks but hope to have that resolved. What'd I miss?

[clear ferry]

Everything @young sigil

@last dirge crj900

@young sigil VPN over Https btw 😛

[young sigil]

They have a man in the middle proxy to log https traffic. Most apps are smart enough to spot the faked certs and refuse to connect

[last dirge]

that's a french company, isn't it?

[clear ferry]

@young sigil Impressive

@last dirge canadian

But these are sold off to mitsubishi it seems

[last dirge]

indirectly french

[clear ferry]

And dash is sold to someone else

And Airbus bought some of it too

[ruby mauve]

How do you guys do VMs btw? Do you do one VM per thing you want installed - ending up with a lot of small ones, or do you do several things per VM? Like I had PiHole, Unifi controller, and RetroPie on the Pi3b+.

[scenic radish]

i just use docker 😛

[ruby mauve]

.. or that :p Got two VMs up atm (HassOS & PiHole), and one ProxMox container.

[steel urchin]

VMs add a lot of overhead, so I pack as much as I can into a single one

But if I have the hardware available, ideally you'd stick to the single purpose principle

But they do represent a different unit than say a container

[ruby mauve]

I have indeed noticed that, aye.
Feels like... a lot to use an entire Ubuntu Server install just for PiHole - and even after it's been rebooted and idling for a while it's still using x3 RAM of what the install did on PiB3+/PiZW.

[clear ferry]

@ruby mauve I did run a esxi cluster at home, now I moved everything to docker, freebsd jails and a single KVM vm

I used to run everything with its own VM for 10 years

Then I found our lord and saviour docker

Now I just manage esxi stuff at work

[low harness]

What's in the VM? Pfsense?

[clear ferry]

Windows jumpstation

Into my lab and prod environment

[low harness]

Thinking about it again, you're probably more an iptables/unbound guy, right?

Either that or a dedicated enterprise firewall

[clear ferry]

No, pfsense for the last 15+ years

Smoothwall before that

Thinking about moving to opnsense because they have native wireguard

[low harness]

On dedicated hardware, then?

[ruby mauve]

Yah, did try to read into / watch videos about dockers, will probably attempt to get a bit more into that. Is Proxmox the "right" solution for that still (or rather, a decent one)?

[clear ferry]

@ruby mauve proxmox 🤢

Just my opinion since I have not seen a single customer ever run it, while I've seen any other hypervisor you can think of, and most of them are time proven good and have large user bases

[scenic radish]

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[clear ferry]

Just my opinion since I have not seen a single customer ever run it, while I've seen any other hypervisor you can think of, and most of them are time proven good and have large user bases

@low harness yes, for most of those years, ran virtualized for 4 or so years

[low harness]

I like proxmox. But I'm not an advanced user. I just want something to keep track of a few kvms, and that's not a very hard task.

[clear ferry]

So KVM with any frontend would have done @low harness ? 😛

[low harness]

yeah

For now, in the process of upgrading my home servers, I'm actually looking for containerized managers.

It seems like that should be a thing

[clear ferry]

I powered down most of my stuff after I got access to a 33000 device lab 24/7

[ruby mauve]

Flying with SAS, eh? I thought they had a boycut-thing going on after that commercial they threw out xD (ahhh, social media & tabloids <3)

[clear ferry]

Because some nationalists got offended? No thank you

[ruby mauve]

That's the one! xD It made me giggle quite a lot.

Right sorry, politics - will avoid! ^^

[clear ferry]

[rain swift]

I'm running HA and pihole on their own vm's in virtualbox

i'd combine things that make sense.

[clear ferry]

Virtualbox 🤢

[rain swift]

when you restart HA does it leave your other docker containers working normally?

its been working fine for me.

it was kind of a temp setup when the 2 pis they ran on died that I haven't had a chance to do anything with, I'd like to set up 1 machine as a vm host and move them onto that.

dunno what i'd run on the host though, KVM maybe?

[clear ferry]

Virtualbox is fine too spin up Isos and to dummy install an os to test something for 5 minutes, wouldn't use it for much more

[rain swift]

or just run it like I do now with vbox on ubuntu and make people mad lol

eh, my setup runs 24/7, no issues

I'm not running a datacenter out of the house, and I do computers all day so the only computer related stuff I do at home is things like home automation.

[clear ferry]

People do other stuff than they work with at home?

The perks of loving what you do 😛

[rain swift]

the problems of making your hobby your job

you don't want to do it for a hobby anymore

i mean unless you're just weird. 🙂

[clear ferry]

I still do after 20 years 😛

[rain swift]

and you have a wife?

[clear ferry]

Yes

[rain swift]

interesting

[clever mortar]

I've been in IT for pretty much my entire career. IT is also one of my hobbies

[rain swift]

I always say I feel like the coolest nerd in the room lol

[clever mortar]

When not acting as family taxi...

[ruby mauve]

I tried out HA on my 1800X through VirtualBox, and it worked well (though to be fair, the performance difference vs. a PiZW was.. negligible - well done btw). But, felt a bit overkill to have it run on my gaming PC, but is why I decided to get something.. bigger, instead of having 2-3 Pi's running.

Ryzen 2200G, 16GB, 500GB m.2 - space for upgrading if need be.

[rain swift]

I do some IT things at home, but i'm not sitting there anymore loading up the newest versions of linux distros and crap just to see what they are like.

[clear ferry]

@rain swift I've got news for you then

[rain swift]

I like other things, wet shaving, guns, movies, TV shows, going fun places with my wife, no time to computer nerd 24/7 lol.

[clear ferry]

I should do something about those 65 vacation days this year

[clever mortar]

Take the family around the world

Or maybe just redecorate the house 😛

[clear ferry]

Mmmm world travel with a 16 month old baby 😛

I just bought a couch for $2500, is that redecorating?

It finally started snowing

[ruby mauve]

You seem to have some pixelation or digital noise issues on that there picture.. first a 90° plane, now this! ... also, what is snow?

[clear ferry]

Something I prefer 4 meters of 😛

[clear ferry]

[jagged mantle]

Does anyone know when the next community highlights come out?

[clear ferry]

Probably before the one after that one

[jagged mantle]

...

[clever mortar]

I'd ask in #general-archived - maybe somebody will know

I've seen nothing to indicate there's a schedule

[jagged mantle]

both the other ones have come out on a friday so i thought another one would come out today

[scenic radish]

WARNING: FORBIDDEN TOPIC detected, executing execution.exe
INFO: FORBIDDEN TOPIC no longer detected

[shut raptor]

oh oh...

it's gone 😄

hahaha

[rain swift]

I thought the $1,000 couch we bought was fancy lol

FORBIDDEN TOPIC, brain fault

[clear ferry]

@rain swift ours is 2.52m X 3.50m though

[rain swift]

Nice

[scenic radish]

Nice

[orchid rose]

Size of my apartment...

[clear ferry]

I have a ridiculous living room though, it is like 12x4 meters

Or maybe even more

And the upstairs living room is the same size, but with slanted roof

[steel urchin]

i don't really care for the size of ours, it's a bit too big.. 25x30ft

i feel like the furniture is for giants lol

i guess that's 7.6m x 9m in non freedom units

[scenic radish]

humblebrag

my living room is 15' x 13' (4.6m x 4m), try not to be jelly

[clear ferry]

That is my office @scenic radish

Real picture of @steel urchin living room

https://i.redd.it/vmf07trnlxg41.jpg

[steel urchin]

lol it certainly feels like it

i remember growing up i wanted a room that was just coushins

as an adult, i realize how impractical that is

[scenic radish]

L O N G B O I

[steel urchin]

thicccccc

so i mean that'll hold MY ass, but where are YOU sitting?

[rain swift]

Speaking of freedom.

[last dirge]

I've got some gigantic IKEA sectional we got a long time ago

[tidal bronze]

Guess it's still cool to live in LA https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/12/21135400/jeff-bezos-warner-estate-expensive-property-david-geffen-amazon😄

So happy that my prime membership is going towards a great cause. 😂

[scenic radish]

Win-win relationship. You get fast "free" shipping, bezos gets mansions made out of other smaller mansions

[tidal bronze]

Ha ha

165 for 8 acres 🤔 That house was pretty neglected in Gefen days but guess someone painted it up. 😜

[hushed basalt]

Does anyone understand ipv6

I feel like not many people do. Myself included

I'm pretty sure amazon don't make much money from prime subscriptions directly thougg

Fulfilment fees would be their big winner, plus aws

[tidal bronze]

I beg to differ, I can imagine the number of people who pay for prime for that 1 order and idle rest of the year

[hushed basalt]

I guess us Aussies get a better deal

Since it includes free international shipping

I just need to do one medium sized international order a year to get twice my annual subscription back

Plus the ~25 domestic orders a year

But the sellers pay for shipping as well don't forget

[tidal bronze]

Even without prime fees their delivery logistics and seller fees is profitable any day. Prime fees is just icing. The money they dump on prime tv productions, oh boy.

[hushed basalt]

Prime tv would definitely be a loss leader

[tidal bronze]

Close to HBO budjets but no one watches them.

Then again no one can do like HBO does.

[rain swift]

amazon probably hates me, I order ridiculous amounts of stuff from them with prime shipping, they must be losing a fortune on me lol.

one item that costs $3 with prime shipping? DONE.

[hushed basalt]

Amazon never loses

They charge the seller shipping, storage and fulfilment charges

Amazon aren't sellers they're a fulfiment centre and an online market place

[rain swift]

figured

lets plan some oceans eleven mission on bezos

[hushed basalt]

He's a real sociopath

[lyric crypt]

Hey guys, trying to get into the automation scene but doing research first. Had some questions about what would work best for me. Not sure where to ask them but essentially what I want is a system that:

• Doesn't use alexa/google/etc
• Doesn't need internet (all devices will be on a separate vlan with no internet access)
• Simple to use with ideally 1 app/location to control everything

I think Home Assistant will do all this however, is there a way to tell which devices will support the no internet thing? For example, I was looking into getting a Leviton Decora Wi-Fi dimmer switch but on the integrations page, it mentions controlling it through the MyLeviton API which i assume is a cloud service and therefore not work with no internet.

[rain swift]

executive is one of the professions that attract sociopaths and psycho paths

politicians is another big one

@lyric crypt HA talk is not allowed here, but you can go to #330944238910963714

[lyric crypt]

ok thanks, ill post it there 🙂

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt I've worked with IPv6 for 20 years, it still confuses me at times

Also, French cars 🤢

[hushed basalt]

I turned it on today

I have no idea if I've just compromised my whole network :D

[clear ferry]

Yes, you just invited the NSA in! National Seaotter Appraisers

[clear ferry]

https://youtu.be/z7Al3P8ShM8

This was pretty good imo

[clear ferry]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B8hQCYfluEo/?igshid=g33oeodd4jme

@scenic radish seeing cheese

[hushed basalt]

That's mean haha

[clear ferry]

To the cat or to Teddi?

[hushed basalt]

The cat

Tediores welfare is inconsequential

[clear ferry]

[dull chasm]

everybody can relax my new amp came in

[hushed basalt]

https://media.tenor.com/images/6190ceecb492dd34d1aa7c04087e15a7/tenor.gif

[dull chasm]

i know right ...exactly how i felt

[hearty depot]

@clear ferry
https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/672217570283094017/678184491831001098 reminded me about
https://blog.toggl.com/seven-levels-developer-hell/

[hushed basalt]

https://youtu.be/GE_FqZ-XLR0

@clear ferry i found your video a good intro

But this video is very very good as a follow up

[clear ferry]

@hearty depot I'm just so glad I'm not in development of anything

[strange vapor]

I'm slowly removing IPv4 from my internal network and just using IPv6 where possible to see what happens. So far it has just worked, mainly as I have proper DNS with A and AAAA so when all the traffic is over IPv6 I just remove the A 😄

[clear ferry]

I started trying to do that 20 years ago, but so few devices supported it

So I just put it off

[hushed basalt]

I still can't get a clear answer on whether I should use SLAAC, Dhcpv6 or both

[clear ferry]

Depends afaik

[ruby mauve]

Hm. Wonder if I've done something wrong in my VM setup. On the PiZW Home Assistant didn't even max out the RAM (512), and ran just fine.
In the Ryzen VM it's using 90% of 1.5GB. Does it just.. spread to what it has available? Started with 1GB, almost maxed it, increased to 1280.. same. etc. Less disk reading?

[tidal bronze]

@dull chasm what did you get?

[dull chasm]

Below Yamaha to the left. Outlaw 5000

@tidal bronze

[tidal bronze]

So running 9.2.2?

[dull chasm]

Strang thing is it’s 120 per channel and Yamaha 150 x2 but it seems louder and cleaner with only 2 driven

Not yet 7.2.4

[tidal bronze]

Nice

So the front or rear presence on outlaw?

[dull chasm]

Damn thing is a beast felt like 100# putting ion shelf

No front center

[tidal bronze]

I would leave the mains on aventage better balance, just my 2c

Although ypao should calculate the delay 😄

[dull chasm]

I am trying this tier one guy at advantage said she should be better with mains on external. Ypao results seem to match she add to raise dB levels of everything on Yamaha

Kinda seems outlaw amps are stronger

[tidal bronze]

Might be the case if you are driving audio primary. AV surround much cleaner on aventage , not only quality DSP timings as well. At least from my tests.

[dull chasm]

That’s why I was thinking use Yamaha for effects basically

Doesn’t preamp still use dacs for processing

[tidal bronze]

Preouts are identical but if you think about there will be lag through external amp. I am very picky as you know so not the end of the world. 😂

[orchid rose]

lag in audio is pretty easy to hear so it's not being too picky imo to keep it in mind

[dull chasm]

Yea I know I’m testing buts seems cleaner now

Amplified signals should be very minimal

[tidal bronze]

I mainly run external amps on zone 2 / 3

[dull chasm]

Yea I have external on 2 don’t have a three yet

[tidal bronze]

You will 😄

Zone sync is pretty awesome, still baffled how they maintain sync on a open ended system.

Toughest was syncing Chromecasts to AVr zone sync. Drove me nuts for days.

[dull chasm]

I will get musics St amps or speakers not gonna fight it

Cast

[orchid rose]

my chromecast seems to vary with sync or maybe it's the AVR that it's connected to, but I never got it working perfectly

[tidal bronze]

The issue with my setup is number of casts and distances. Then I went ahead and added these to drive rock speakers,

Outdoor chrome cast 20+20 amps.

[dull chasm]

Show off 🤣

[tidal bronze]

Lol not really, sound coming from edge of the property towards the house is awesome

Because usually it's always going from the house outwards.

[dull chasm]

True good idea

[tidal bronze]

I was going to cram in a sonoff to switch the amp on CC play but idle draw is around 2w on the entire setup left it alone.

[orchid rose]

oh that low 😮

what amp is it?

[tidal bronze]

Cheapo from Amazon lepy I think. Perfect for pipe music.

[orchid rose]

I was thinking of getting one chinese amp to run a random speaker here or there but gave up on the idea because I'd have no way to easily turn them on/off

but if it's that little they consume, who cares

[tidal bronze]

Yep. Idle is awesome.

That's 12v switch mode + amp + buck + cc

[orchid rose]

right you're powering the CC too

[tidal bronze]

Yes.

@dull chasm only thing missing now is in-ground sub 😂

[dull chasm]

Yea ok I borrow your 36” when ur sleeping

[tidal bronze]

Lmao.

These guys makes some great aesthetically pleasing stuff https://www.sonance.com/outdoor

[dull chasm]

Does look good hopefully this time next year buying 2 or 3 acres

Cash

I don’t like to owe anybody a damn dime

[fallow galleon]

Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead

[dull chasm]

What

[fallow galleon]

That site's cert

[dull chasm]

Oh

[tidal bronze]

So next year you are moving to West coast ? Right on👍 @dull chasm

[dull chasm]

Yea ok can’t afford ur shit

[tidal bronze]

I am going to treat you to some kale salad and drip coffee 😁

[dull chasm]

How bout mashed potatoes and beef tip. More up my alley

Gravy is the most important part btw

[tidal bronze]

So you like that gravy huh? Noted 🤣

[dull chasm]

Yep

[clear ferry]

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/957scip231h41.png

[rain swift]

i'll never live on the left coast, middle of the country maybe, right coast is getting worse all the time, entire country is going to crap.

[clear ferry]

North coast?

[rain swift]

maybeh

[tidal bronze]

@rain swift which county is this ?

[clear ferry]

@tidal bronze muuuuurica I believe

[tidal bronze]

Lol. Middle meaning flyover states 🤔

[clear ferry]

The heartland you say

Or dustbowl?

Speaking of

https://open.spotify.com/album/4J2xuF936SVnrgLtbRLbxM?si=TvkMD3vdRFiaAnd84sPMdA

[amber ice]

Anyone interested in buying and shipping a google nest hub max to Germany for profit? Google for some reason still doesn’t ship the bigger ones here. Please don’t kill me if this is against the rules of the server didn’t see anything.

[clear ferry]

They don't sell it in Norway either

But a flight to the UK will be cheaper than shipping tbh

[amber ice]

Uk has them afaik

[clear ferry]

I can get a return flight for €40ish

[amber ice]

Have to pay toll either way 😅

[clear ferry]

No?

[amber ice]

Sure

[clear ferry]

Just have it in your luggage 😛

[amber ice]

😂

[clear ferry]

I never pay toll for anything from abroad

[tidal bronze]

@amber ice toll ? Not in West coast

[clear ferry]

I bring stuff for €1500 atleast every time I go abroad

[tidal bronze]

We have "freeways" 😄

[amber ice]

Everything up of 22 € we have to pay toll, above 150 it gets even more expensive

[tidal bronze]

This oxtail fried rice is off the hook.

[clear ferry]

We have to, we just don't

I have never paid toll to take anything across the border, ever

[light trout]

I think we are using discord wrong 🤔 https://www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/uk-police-distance-themselves-from-poster-warning-parents-to-report-kids-for-using-kali-linux/

[orchid rose]

This is where I get all my hacking tips

[hearty depot]

There I ask me, who owns discord anyway?

datenschleuder

[hushed basalt]

https://media.tenor.com/images/3da8df7918b0721f459d5d47f9e2b784/tenor.gif

[pure vine]

last time I went to Europe I brought a Schuko C5 cable for my laptop, I seem to have lost it now

[hushed basalt]

I want to get a good USB C PD power hub for all my travel phone and laptop needs

But there's nothing good out at the moment

C8 power input, 2 x usb C ports with one being at least 60 watts and not too large or heavy

Plus a QC 3 usb A port

I think I'll need to wait for GaN to become mainstream

[dusky plank]

is there any such thing as airplay for linux?
I don't need rdp/vnc, I want video/audio playback too
and I'd like to have it in a manner of Pc(debian)->rpi(debian) or whatever distro

ok I think I'll try 'parsec' for now

[strange vapor]

@hushed basalt If you find such a device, please let me know.

[hushed basalt]

Theres a few GaN things on kickstarter but they all have fold out prongs built in

Which I hate

[dry glade]

Anyone know where I can find duel gang faceplates like the Martin Jerry single gang?

[rain swift]

Anyone ever read some of the patents on google? lol. https://youtu.be/PQImLiRnM10?list=WL

[hushed basalt]

Does anyone know is wago 221's are rated for mobile use

[forest edge]

they are wire connectors. unless your country has some weird wiring codes only wet location and heat are factors outside normal wire connectors

[rain swift]

What do you guys use for IPAM, if anything?

[sour escarp]

@rain swift i used phpIPAM in a docker container before, it was ok but didn't really suite my needs too well

[hushed basalt]

@forest edge not true

Vibration changes things a lot

[rain swift]

@sour escarp dns stuff pisses me off, I'm running pihole, it does my dns and dhcp, and it works great except for it seems like only some devices pull FQDN's, and when I look in the leases I see a bunch of shit that shows up as "unknown", I can only assume it's due to different standards or something, I have a list of everything with a static IP on the network, and I've started assigning other things DHCP reservations so I know what they are, and I can actually name them in pihole, but damn it's annoying. I have 2 amazon echos and they don't put the mac addresses on the outside, so I dunno which thing they are int he leases lol.

[tame garden]

what do ya'll like for thermostats?

i went w/ ecobee but given the API complications (especially as of late) im thinking of selling it

[sour escarp]

@rain swift if this is just for home, use nmap to search your network, it's an incredibly powerful tool

ipam is really overkill for keeping track of home stuff, you can just use onenote, excel, txt file, etc for that. I run several VLANs and have a lot of devices on my network and don't use IPAM

[clear ferry]

Lol ipam at home

Even when I still had a /23 network I didn't use it

DHCP reservations was all i needed 🤷

[sour escarp]

i don't like reservations for everything but they certainly have their place

[rain swift]

@sour escarp yes, I ran nmap earlier, I have a tex file lol I was just wondering what other people do.
I've got static IPs configured on all the important stuff, but like, the roku's, the TVs, meh, they are getting reservations, and our cell phones, smart watches, lot of other stuff.

I don't have a ton of devices so not a big deal.

[clear ferry]

Only thing that has a static IP here now is the router, the old AD server also had it

[sour escarp]

sounds like you're doing fine then

[rain swift]

@clear ferry i'm surprised you didn't just give the router a reservation, aren't you the reservation everything guy? lol.

[clear ferry]

[hushed basalt]

Dns 4 lyfe

[sour escarp]

i was lucky enough to buy a house that was pre-wired with CAT5e so I have several managed switches around the house, definitely need that setup documented because I won't touch it for months and forget everything I setup. it's kind of annoying but I did it a long time ago as a learning experiment

[clear ferry]

I just connect to hostnames 🤷

Documentation not that needful anymore, I've got a pair of core switches and three distribution switches

[rain swift]

you running windows for dns?

[clear ferry]

Pfsense lyfe

[rain swift]

I wanna change my firewall to opensense

I point most stuff at home at IPs, I'm not relying on dns lol.

[clear ferry]

I probably will soon, just because I want wireguard on the edge

[sour escarp]

running pfsense in a VM here as well as my domain environment on one server, single point of failure but generally years before I have to worry about it

[clear ferry]

DHCP registers my stuff in DNS

So I hardly ever touch DNS

[rain swift]

yeah, I don't wanna run a windows domain controller

[sour escarp]

you don't have to, again, one of those things i did a long time ago for learning

[rain swift]

@sour escarp I wanna run opensens in a VM lol

[sour escarp]

it's nice to have a little VM setup at home

[clear ferry]

I did for 4 years, but moved back to a physical server last year

[rain swift]

yeah I am running the thing that shall not be named here and pihole in vm's

I just did a bunch of updates to the underlying OS of the pihole VM, and took a snapshot first, love vm's

if updates blow up in your face, revert to snapshot

[sour escarp]

home VM

i run pfsense, windows DC, windows FS, one ubuntu instance for HA, another for plex, sabnzbd, etc

[clear ferry]

That's an old patch level of esxi

[sour escarp]

probably

[clear ferry]

You should upgrade

[sour escarp]

i work on computers for a living, what do you expect? lol

i rarely work on my own shit, never enough time

[clear ferry]

Also, supermicro 🤢

[sour escarp]

has served me well so far, it's not a supermicro server, just the board

[wet pilot]

not everyone has HPE monies

[rain swift]

@sour escarp did you pirate a license 😄

[sour escarp]

its esxi, free

[rain swift]

yeah, they gimp it out though don't they

[clear ferry]

It's good enough for most

[sour escarp]

if i needed a license I have some friends that work for VMW but it's not that important, would just be nice to allocate more CPU to a VM

[clear ferry]

Unless you need APIs, veeam, vcenter, gpu

[sour escarp]

exactly

[rain swift]

I just run on vbox, in the ghettooooo

[sour escarp]

i actually wrote some python code to automate some "API" type tasks through ssh

[clear ferry]

I run enterprise plus

[hushed basalt]

I think static ips are more fragile than hostnames

[rain swift]

uhhh what

[sour escarp]

depends, if the device is critically important to your infrastructure, it should have a static IP otherwise use reservations or whatever

[rain swift]

we should configure all of the routers and things on the internet with dhcp, and see how that goes.

[hushed basalt]

You don't have to worry about subnets, conflicts,

[clear ferry]

Reservations>static

[rain swift]

put @clear ferry in charge

[sour escarp]

one isn't better than the other, they are both tools, use them appropriately... period

[hushed basalt]

I'm not running the internet and neither are you

[clear ferry]

But that will all go away with SLAAC anyway

[rain swift]

I'll never run ipv6 on my lan

[clear ferry]

@rain swift I am in charge, of most network designs at customers 😛

[rain swift]

have fun with all your machines directly on the internet lol

too bad for them

lol

[hushed basalt]

Ipv6 doesn't mean directly on the internet

[clear ferry]

Just run link local addresses 🤷

[sour escarp]

@clear ferry no offense but that doesn't mean anything, i've seen a lot of bad network design 😦

[rain swift]

I'll never need ipv6 on my lan

I run a /21, I'll never run out of addresses

[sour escarp]

"i do something all the time" isn't validation that it's being done right

[hushed basalt]

Sooner or later your WAN will be ipv6

[rain swift]

@sour escarp exactly lol

I'm sure my wan IP will be ipv6, but that's it

[sour escarp]

i've known professionals that have done the wrong thing for 20+ years and when you tell them it's wrong they get offended

[clear ferry]

It atleast means I have experience, be it good or bad 😂

[sour escarp]

lol

true

[clear ferry]

I hope my designs are good though, they are some of the most important ones during crisis and or wartime

[sour escarp]

you a cisco guy?

[rain swift]

in what country?

greenland

cisco, keeping networking a convoluted nightmare so they can sell certifications.

[sour escarp]

hehe

[rain swift]

I took lots of cisco classes in college, and I refuse to use it at home.

[sour escarp]

last piece of cisco equipment I had in my house was an ASA 5505

i loathed that thing

[clear ferry]

Cisco 🤢

[sour escarp]

my background is in SMB so it was mostly inappropriate for me and my customers and switched to fortinet and ubnt

[clear ferry]

Fortinet is good

[sour escarp]

didn't have enough juice with cisco or my resellers to get support on some of the hardest equipment to setup

[clear ferry]

Ubnt 🤢

[sour escarp]

i've had great experience with fortinet

i did a nice spoke-and-ring setup but it used BGP so the remote sites didn't have to go through the main node, definitely the most complex thing i did with fortinet, set it up 3 years ago and it's still up and running in maryland

very remote sites, one with satellite internet, all with their own phone systems, worked really well except for the VoIP delay on the satellite hehe

and have a few customers with fortinet + sdwan, works incredibly well

[clear ferry]

They are great products

Haven't touched them much the last 10 years though

[sour escarp]

ubiquiti is fine for wireless IMO, have used them a lot for wireless bridges and have sold several hundred UAP-AC-PROs with an extremely low rate of failure and i've deployed these over the last 5 years

[dusky plank]

forti is expensive though

[sour escarp]

it's not cheap but it isn't as expensive as others

[clear ferry]

Have you looked at Aruba @sour escarp ? Great value for money imo

[sour escarp]

have one customer with a few 90d's in HA config with an HSRP connection in a colo environment and it works great, i imagine the cisco guys see it and shake their head hehe

i haven't, I've worked with other corporate IT companies that deployed aruba and I know everyone swears by them for wifi but I've had no reason to switch

[clear ferry]

Cisco people🤢

[sour escarp]

maybe one day i'll have the opportunity to mess with one

[clear ferry]

I don't have any spare Arubas or I would send you one, just 25 MSM466 in boxes

[sour escarp]

how much does a relatively entry level AP from aruba cost and will the controller software run on linux?

that is one of the things i love about ubnt, I can run my controller on a cheap virtual host on ubuntu

[clear ferry]

The controller software runs on the ap

And can control other aps

[sour escarp]

ah ok that is cool

but there is no central cloud controller?

[clear ferry]

I think it even supports ha with another ap

If you want yes, but that is optional

[sour escarp]

probably does, i think ubnt supports that too... what about cost?

[dusky plank]

I worked for Barracuda once 🤢

[sour escarp]

for an MSP like myself, having a central controller is great

haha barracuda

[clear ferry]

Cheapest ones start at $100 I think

[sour escarp]

oh damn, that isn't bad

[clear ferry]

I don't have the whole catalogue in my head as work most with wired

[sour escarp]

the UAP-AC-PRO is about that but I think they will soon be replaced by a model that supports the latest wifi standards

whatever the hell they are calling it

think the iphone 11 supports it but not my new MBP 16" 🤦

[clear ferry]

Wifi6 is the Aruba 500 series I think

[sour escarp]

took forever for AC adoption so I'm not too concerned about people wanting it, most probably don't know it even exist

doesn't the rpi 4 support AC now?

IoT probably the slowest adoption rate since it doesn't matter much

[clear ferry]

Most iot is 2.4G

[sour escarp]

yeah and for good reason

5ghz ability to penetrate walls is shit

[clear ferry]

Indeed, but I still have 5ghz coverage in most of my house, but the driveway is 2.4 only 😛

[sour escarp]

damnit man, only 2 in the driveway? 1st world problems

i have no idea what I get in my driveway, just happy my whole property is covered by my 2 UAP-AC-PROs 🙂

[clear ferry]

I just run some decent Linksys mesh ones, one of the only brands that support bridge and mesh at the same time

So three in a wireless mesh

[sour escarp]

yeah that is fine for home

[clear ferry]

I need to remember to buy a chainsaw on Monday

[sour escarp]

need to cut some trees?

[clear ferry]

Exactly, my hedge to be honest

[sour escarp]

i've never personally owned a chainsaw

[clear ferry]

It needs to go under the terrasse

I haven't either, so I'll probably kill myself next week

[sour escarp]

oh, nice

lol

i live in the desert in a relatively new home with basic landscape so never really needed that

[clear ferry]

I live in a forest, but I've cut down most trees, just my fruit trees remain

[sour escarp]

how did you cut them down if you didn't have a chainsaw? you axe that shit?

[clear ferry]

Or a manual saw 😛

But hedgework is more precision

[sour escarp]

no paul bunyan style? hehe

[clear ferry]

I have a few axes yes

[sour escarp]

i tried using an axe a few times and just end up destroying the wood handle lol

because yanno, as much as i want to be awesome at everything i'm not

[clear ferry]

Most Norwegians are quite proficient with tools

And we enjoy doing stuff ourselves

[sour escarp]

oh i'm proficient at tools, just not an axe haha

if it says klein, makita or dewalt, i'm proficient 🤣

[clear ferry]

We are woodsy people, so axe is a basic tool 😛

[sour escarp]

yes indeed

i'm in Las Vegas and most of the homes here are built by developers and we are not one with nature, we are one with air conditioning

[clear ferry]

Muuuuurica

[sour escarp]

haha yup

the land of liberals trying to shove socialism down our throats

election season is in full swing of course

alright, time to smoke a bowl and continue to sit here and do absolutely nothing productive

[sour escarp]

Weird, when I opened the discord app on my phone, i briefly saw an Ubuntu question, then it disappeared.

Maybe old cache

[clear ferry]

Thank Dog

🤢

[sour escarp]

not a fan of ubuntu?

[hushed basalt]

Can't do worse than an IBM government project during it's intended purpose

Like our first online census

https://media.tenor.com/images/6aa5bd3e639c6efe79c02658d0e60f5d/tenor.gif

[sour escarp]

when i started with linux I used slackware then freebsd and just kind of use ubuntu by default now

IBM mainframe?

[boreal pewter]

lol none of these is a production os

[sour escarp]

oh, here we go.....

nothing I run is revenue generating directly, they are supporting systems

the only revenue generating systems I personally supported ran on Solaris

and I can say at that time I was definitely underpaid for dealing with that shit

[forest edge]

@hushed basalt vibrations? wtf you talking about? what do you think is used for automobile connectors? here in the US is twist on, those wegos are push lock which do you think is more susceptible to vibration? lol not that vibration is some special factor requiring a special connector or anything

wet locations and "extreme" temperature are the only two special classification I had ever seen for connecting wire. and that latter is commercial not evven something a homeowner can buy lol

[boreal pewter]

My company is hardcore about that @hearty depot Docker is already old, only Kubernetes now, when RedHat 8 came out, only RedHat 8, same for CentOS

[sour escarp]

a lot of companies do different things and leverage different tech

doesn't invalidate other software and products otherwise from not being suitable for production

[boreal pewter]

Well all companies I came around still only used RedHat and CentOS and at least Docker. That's the common way

Considering a 1st world country

And admin knowledge

[sour escarp]

i couldn't say, i'm in the MSP world

[boreal pewter]

MovieStarPlanet (@MSP_world) | Twitter

[sour escarp]

I do have one customer with a linux server that is RedHat so maybe that goes in your favor 😆

[boreal pewter]

It's really not about favor, I do favor Debian. But I'm admin and I have to expect to work RHEL;CentOS based, that is just the way to go ^^

[hearty depot]

RedHat or cent?

[sour escarp]

Redhat

[hearty depot]

holy - crazy guy - do he really need that support?
I mean he got you 😛

[sour escarp]

We haven't had to use it

but they have a couple software devs and they like to handle some of the IT

[boreal pewter]

I do host my personal and community servers on Debian tho, since I favor it. Debian is to be considered production usable as it is very conservative, not like Ubuntu

For stability it's really not about favors tho

[sour escarp]

yeah more about support and standardization, i get it

i've ditched products in the past because I could get no support when it's critical that i do

oh, ubuntu changed to using YAML using netplan, I approved of this change

[hushed basalt]

Twist on auto mobile connectors... Wtf

[sour escarp]

i just found this myself when I setup a new ubuntu server for HA and was like WTF

[hearty depot]

have to read me into net filter 😦

[sour escarp]

netplan i think

[clear ferry]

Long live HP-UX

[sour escarp]

eww, go away

[hearty depot]

could be 🤣
I still love my iptables

[sour escarp]

🙂

well you know, any of these tools we use now are just an abstraction that does what we used to do with iptables/ipchains.... sysvctl or whatever the hell, i don't support a lot of linux so I just go with the flow now and learn what I need to

[forest edge]

@hushed basalt never heard of a wire nut?

[sour escarp]

plus I have employees for that now

[hushed basalt]

No one in Australia uses wire nuts

For anything

[sour escarp]

what do they use?

[forest edge]

well for automotive we usually use crimp connectors but maany things still get the nut, like stereos and speakers ect ect

[sour escarp]

i do mostly low voltage so I personally hate wire nuts

give me some b-connectors

[orchid rose]

I hadn't heard of wire nuts before I read about them here either

[hearty depot]

reminds me - back to my unforfilling weekend project..
Client-Side Certificate authentification with either apache or nginx 🙈 it just wont play out

[sour escarp]

seems like everyone struggles with certs

i do too, i always get through it but it's never pleasant unless I previously documented it

AWS had a big issue with certs recently too

@forest edge you're not supposed to use a wire nut for automotive here either, it's mostly used in home and commercial power

[clear ferry]

Employees 🤢

[sour escarp]

standard 110v AC is always spliced using a wire nut in the US

i guess some of the 24v stuff in houses might be because electricians don't understand low voltage systems and they end up doing it

[clear ferry]

Wire nuts were normal in Norway the last 40 years, now they mostly use these

https://www.jula.no/catalog/el-artikler-og-belysning/el-installasjon/kabelinstallasjon/koblingslister-klemmer/koblingsklemmer-402410/

[forest edge]

@sour escarp those are wegos, thats what he was asking about earlier

[sour escarp]

i have some of these connectors, not sure if I like then but anything is better than a wire nut

[hearty depot]

that are the cheap ones

https://www.gianbott.com/_wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/3er-Wagoklemme-neu-2.png

these are the neat ones

[light trout]

Those are super nice

[forest edge]

your suppose to wrap the nut and wire with a round of electrical tape to ensure the longevity. but considering wire nuts have already proven to old wire together for god knows how many years they were first started being used the fact remains, if done right, they are practically forever lol

[orchid rose]

I got myself some chinese knockoffs of those and found them very useful indeed

[sour escarp]

Like these?

[forest edge]

those are wegos

wego knockoffs ect

[sour escarp]

i used these on an in-wall TV kit, they seemed to work well

[forest edge]

but those and the levelr ones

[sour escarp]

definitely not a common thing to see in the US tho

[forest edge]

they are just started to come around here in us

not even sure they are in code to be honest

[sour escarp]

it comes down to cost, same reason I don't use pass thru RJ45 connectors

cheaper to just learn how to terminate wire correctly and the wirenut is cheap

one thing I won't skimp on is compression connectors for coaxial applications

[forest edge]

original wire nuts had a locking ring with a cap, technically wouldn't call it a twist nut but it looked like them with the cap on

[sour escarp]

always spend more for compression

[forest edge]

too bad they still don't make those cause I loved those things

[sour escarp]

interesting, never knew about those

[forest edge]

had a single screw on one end of a ring, you just put the wires in then clamped down thye screw and popped the cap on to cover the exposed wire ends

damn things were nice

[sour escarp]

so like a set screw for a wire nut?'

ok so screw kept wires together, like a terminal block 🙂

[forest edge]

yea

[sour escarp]

i can understand that disappearing then

[forest edge]

was a round metal ring with a set screw on one side. came in diffrent sizes for diffrent amount of wires and you twist the wires together, pushed them through then clamped down the screw

[sour escarp]

these guys are wiring up a lot of wires, the standard wire nut is likely more versatile and doesn't require a tool to install

[forest edge]

they would be expsnive these days lol

[sour escarp]

yup that too

[forest edge]

well they still need pliers lol

[sour escarp]

true, an essential tool for any electrician 🙂

my favorite selection at home depot man, klein stuff gets me everytime, even if not all their stuff is good

[hushed basalt]

These are the defacto for australian electrical. Although they really should be using 221's if they're legal here

[sour escarp]

it's a shaft with a tip and a few screws.

seriously tho, you guys really use that? what the fuck

[forest edge]

those screw type in cheap plastic housing is like a standard every where else

although the wegos have all but replaced those types in europe i believe

[sour escarp]

I can see the wegos as a good alternative for a wirenut