the-water-cooler

[last dirge]

but what they want is a one-person IT team

[clever mortar]

Well, that's a general for most adverts... need X years experience in a product that's been around for X-5 years and we'll pay nothing

[steel urchin]

honestly the whole market is jacked up in terms of fair pay and job reqs

[rain swift]

@clear ferry I like going to some new places, depending on where it is, traveling itself? Ehh, I get claustrophobic in a car for too long and last time I flew I thought I was going to die.

then you get into the issue of other countries.

[last dirge]

@steel urchin that's shit pay for what would be a senior level developer

[steel urchin]

again, depends on where you live

you can't really make a blanket statement like that and expect me to take you seriously 🤣

[last dirge]

in the US

[steel urchin]

remember, i've hired THOUSANDS of people

[clever mortar]

10 is a fraction of a thousand, yes?

[last dirge]

if you're a senior level java developer and you're accepting that little pay, you're an idiot

[steel urchin]

if you live in LA, sure 100k is shitty

but if you live in Saskatchewan, that's amazing

[last dirge]

45/hr 10-99 is like 75K salary

[steel urchin]

sure, but you're paying your own taxes and insurance typically.... and one could make the argument "then don't work 1099, and have your employer pay for those"

[last dirge]

"employer pay for those"

have you had a job recently?

[steel urchin]

the way accounting looks at it, is 45/hr is 93,600+taxes+benefits

[last dirge]

employers paying for bennies is SUPER RARE

like hen's teeth

[steel urchin]

i've always had my benefits paid for

if not 100% covered, damn near 100%

unless i add my wife, when she was unemployed during a large move... but her employer usually covers hers 100% as well

[last dirge]

that's exceptionally rare

[steel urchin]

i don't think it is

[last dirge]

it is

[steel urchin]

again, i've hired for tons of companies, it's very common

heh, i'm going to just go out on a limb and say i have WAY more experience here 😉 and going to just have to agree to disagree

[last dirge]

appeal to authority fallacy but OK

[steel urchin]

(that's also not how that fallacy works 😛 )

it would be valid if someone else came in and said "codex said this, so it's gotta be true"...

[last dirge]

you're using anecdata to prop up your status and using that as a "well I've done X"

[steel urchin]

then THEY would be in a logical fallacy

so a quick search for jobs around me, and 34 out of 35 i've looked at, all have 100% benefits paid... maybe it's time to come off 1099 for a change 😉

maybe it's just that i only mess with successful companies, i dunno... but i'm up to 70 job postings, and every single one except the one early on is stating 100% benefits covered

[last dirge]

"generous benefits" around here means ~$300+/month for health insurance only

7-10 days PTO per year

and I'm makin nowhere near 45/hr 1099

😉

[forest edge]

$300+/mo is alittle high

Straight plans here start there without a job

[steel urchin]

well US healthcare is a joke, so you can't really compare the two

[last dirge]

you in one of those states that wasn't shitty about the medicare expansion and actually took part in the ACA exchange?

because I'm not

[steel urchin]

so i stopped after 135 job postings.. only one DIDN'T say 100% coverage

I'm in TX, they're shitty about everything 🤣

[last dirge]

the place I've been contracting for for over 5 years now tried to convince me to go perm

with very little retirement matching

[forest edge]

Cost of living plays the biggest role is costs in every area but on average people these days can score a much more affordable plan

[steel urchin]

yeah now matching has never been a thing for me

[last dirge]

horrible healthcare plans

@forest edge when I was paying out of pocket for mine before my wife got those sweet government job benefits I was paying like $360/month

for really good coverage

low deductibles, low copay

100% preventative care coverage

[steel urchin]

HSA has saved us tens of thousands

[forest edge]

Alittle over 10 years ago my same plan I have today was costing me like $670/mo but now is under $200. Same plan after job venifits was $340/mo. I wish it would get even better but after the Obama thing it did improve considerably. At least for some

Quite frankly for the last 3 months I've forked out over 15k in vet bills and wish pets were covered under my normal insurance lol

[clear ferry]

You müricäns and your plans

[last dirge]

@forest edge I feel that

you can get pet insurance

but it sucks and they deny more stuff than people insurance

[rain swift]

so are you all having a measuring contest? Just post your W2's and be done with it lol.

[last dirge]

W2?

😉

[clear ferry]

We have pet insurance over here, think for a less than $200 per year it convers mostly anything

[last dirge]

@clear ferry so what's it take to immigrate there?

[rain swift]

thing i've found after being in IT for a while is its all what you want, I've worked with senior engineers who have no life, so, what good is all that money if people call you all day and night and make you work 80 hours a week.

[clear ferry]

Can you do something cool?

You are welcome

[rain swift]

when you're dead, nobody will be telling stories about that wicked domain migration you did.

[last dirge]

I write software

[steel urchin]

@rain swift yep... that's where i am now... (but try 115+ hrs/week for 20 years)

[clear ferry]

We don't have the insane us immigration rules

[steel urchin]

i'm burned tf out

[rain swift]

@steel urchin see, no thanks

[clever mortar]

Work life balance...

[steel urchin]

that's a new term lol

[last dirge]

that's where I'm at now

[clever mortar]

I average about 40 hours a week

[rain swift]

its very hard to have any balance the higher up you go

[steel urchin]

and, it's also a misnomer

[rain swift]

i've seen it so many times

[clever mortar]

I'm also not exactly junior 😉

[last dirge]

I make a pretty big paycheck

I could get more

but I work 100% remote

[rain swift]

I don't want to be a senior anything, I like my free time.

[last dirge]

and I only work 40 hours

[clever mortar]

Yeah, I could double mine if I wanted to give up the balance... like hell

[steel urchin]

the money hooks you in man

[clear ferry]

I have 60hr weeks sometimes, but mostly 40hrs

[steel urchin]

making a quarter million will drive a lot of people to work extra

[last dirge]

meh

[rain swift]

you just have to lower your cost of living lol don't buy a freakin mcmansion and insist on driving a BMW

[clear ferry]

@last dirge you can probably make more here with more benefits

[steel urchin]

yeah, a lot of people live above their means

and they claim it's "expendable income"

[rain swift]

i'm married, we live not too crazy expensive, I buy stuff all the time lol

[last dirge]

@clear ferry but I hate snow

[steel urchin]

umm.... it's only expendable if you have your future covered, you're literally living paycheck to paycheck making 150k/yr 🤣

[rain swift]

like, my phone bill is $30 a month, my car is from 2010

[clear ferry]

@last dirge we have had 5 days this year 😛

[rain swift]

who cares I leave work at 4:30 and don't think about it again til the next day, it's wonderful.

[steel urchin]

yeah i need to get to that

stress of running companies has gotten to me after all this time... i don't think i'm able to do it again for a while

[clear ferry]

I wake up when I want to mostly

Except for the baby alarm clock

[steel urchin]

but, if i'm lucky, i can retire waaayyyyy early 🙂

[clever mortar]

I'm conditioned to wake up a the same time every day, to many years of it. On the other hand, I'm at work before everybody else, so I leave before everybody else 😛

[steel urchin]

i'm conditioned to 2-3 hrs of sleep a night, so i don't really have a sleep schedule :S

[clever mortar]

You're broken

[steel urchin]

😦 i am

[clever mortar]

Or living in an alternate reality 🤔

[clear ferry]

I used to sleep 4-5 hours per night

[clever mortar]

7 to 8 hours here or I'm even grumpier than normal

[steel urchin]

yeah, i literally "woke up" (i use quotes because i don't remember sleeping), had closed a huge dollar delivery earlier that day, and had no clue what happened for the 3 days prior to that

that's when i decided to take a day off

and in that day, i decided i was done

[last dirge]

anybody do MS ActiveDirectory administration?

[steel urchin]

lol not since the NT days

[rain swift]

I also wake up at about the same time every day, I don't have an alarm clock, I get to work early so I can leave early, I can't stand traffic.

Now I have automated lights come on when I want to wake up, but I still wake up whenever I wake up lol.

[steel urchin]

yeah traffic sucks.... but i can't be the hermit type that works purely remote... i have to be around people. Plus, it's much easier to mentor and lead in person than over chat

[rain swift]

but having lights come on really low and warm white has been amazing, eyes get plenty of time to adjust

i'd love to work remote, never found a job to let me lol

[steel urchin]

i thought i would, too.. but i got stir crazy

[rain swift]

I'll find ways to deal LOL

i'd be able to move and live anywhere I want in the US

that would make it worth it

can't stand the big city

[forest edge]

What's a big city to you

[steel urchin]

i had a gig where I was principal architect, literally my whole job was to fly all over the world and fire the teams, and hire new ones, rearchitect the entire infrastructure from the ground up, and leave.... The ONLY person I ever talked to was the CEO and/or CTO of the company, and occasionally the CFO to discuss budgets.. For 2 years I literally never saw a person I worked with, and was going ALL over the damn world and not having any quality ineraction

[last dirge]

I go somewhere with wifi and work just to get out of the house sometimes

[rain swift]

@forest edge almost a million people where I live.

[steel urchin]

although that was in my 20's.... now i'm a bit more curmudgeon, and could probably stand to use less people around me 🤣

[rain swift]

yeah, I hate most people.

[steel urchin]

i love PEOPLE, i hate individuals

like, i love crowds

people watching, getting into random conversations and shooting the shit... love it

[forest edge]

Million isn't bad

[rain swift]

more than I like, mostly aholes lol

and traffic, ugh

[steel urchin]

yeah but move to kentucky and you get paid peanuts 🤣

[forest edge]

But it cost peanuts to live

So it balances out

[scenic radish]

$20 can buy many peanuts

[steel urchin]

lol

true, but you won't be buying that tesla!

[forest edge]

Tedi will do anything for a peanut

[scenic radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgct3Jn8pFA

[steel urchin]

i wish tesla made a real economy model... i'm beyond the waving my dick around showing my maserati off.... i want something inexpensive, reliable, low maintenance, and will get me from a to b

[forest edge]

Get a focus

[steel urchin]

i hate american cars 🤣

worst engineering known to man

[scenic radish]

get a toyota

[steel urchin]

i have one

[scenic radish]

or a honda

[last dirge]

dem tariffs doe

[steel urchin]

ok i guess i didn't mention an EV 😛

[scenic radish]

oh lol

[steel urchin]

figured dropping Tesla's name would have done the trick

[last dirge]

any EV with any range is going to be about the same price as a Tesla Model 3 SR+

[steel urchin]

yeah wasn't that one marketed to target $30k?

[forest edge]

I dunno what was that German ev that was the size of a roller skate someone posted in here awhile back lol

[last dirge]

the Bolt has decent range but costs almost as much as the Tesla

@steel urchin yeah, but nobody bought the cheap one so they stopped making it

[steel urchin]

yeah

bad timing imo

[last dirge]

everybody paid ~3K more to get the Standard Range Plus

and a not-insignificant mileage bump

[forest edge]

Fear of being stranded does that to people lol

[clear ferry]

@last dirge just come over here, we have subsided EVs and more

[last dirge]

@clear ferry but I already have one though

[clear ferry]

You can have two!

[steel urchin]

lol yeah @forest edge .... "I drive 20 miles a day, but what if i need to go 150 suddenly?"

[scenic radish]

i recently learned that my 2012 scion tC private party value is about $5500 to $6500 so it appears i will be keeping it until it doesn't run anymore lol

[last dirge]

we've got a Volt and a Model 3 LR

[scenic radish]

which could be 20 years from now

[rain swift]

yeah my wife's chevy was a total piece of shit, we got rid of it and got a 2019 mazda cx-5, love it

[forest edge]

Exactly @steel urchin lol

[rain swift]

it does everything except full self driving

i'm gonna drive my car til the wheels fall off though as long as it runs and doesn't give me problems.

[steel urchin]

my family was a big mazda family

they are no longer a mazda family

[last dirge]

I've owned 2 Mazdas

a B2200

and a Miata

[steel urchin]

every single one has completely fallen apart

[rain swift]

I plan to only own asian cars from now on

buhahaha

[steel urchin]

same

[rain swift]

we shall see I guess.

[forest edge]

Austrian cars

[steel urchin]

specifically korean or japanese

[scenic radish]

toyota4lyfe

[forest edge]

Those things seem to last

[rain swift]

ford and chevy is total trash

[steel urchin]

hyundai has really been stepping up their game

[last dirge]

aren't Hyundai and Kia the same family?

[steel urchin]

sorta

hyundai bought 51% of kia

[clear ferry]

Audi pre 2005 plz, or BMW pre 1995

[last dirge]

they've got an EV

[steel urchin]

but now i think only owns 33%

[last dirge]

but they only sell it in California

[scenic radish]

wtf lol. don't get in a crash atx

[steel urchin]

my wife's side of the family were beemer freaks.... they had, i shit you not, 5x z3s, 2x z4s, 2 5 series, and 2 7 series all at the same house

[clear ferry]

[scenic radish]

*bimmer

[steel urchin]

if they didn't LOOK nice, you'd think it was a redneck house

lol you can tell i have no valuation ofo the company

[clear ferry]

German engineering any day

[forest edge]

Those BMW z models were dumb

[clear ferry]

Zs were shite

[last dirge]

not the Moupes

[steel urchin]

well, every one of their BIMMERs (happy ted? :P) fell apart and they got rid of them all

the mechanics part of the vehicle was fine

but the interior and body literally rattled apart

my VWs were garbage, too

so, i'm anti-german vehicles

[last dirge]

my E36M3 was a cool car but a mechanically needy little thing

[steel urchin]

i'm just done crawling under a car, fucking with engine bays, changing struts, etc... i don't care anymore... just teleport me 🤣

[clear ferry]

I just take my cars to Sweden and get everything done for 1/4 of the price

[last dirge]

except buy one

then it's 2x 😉

[steel urchin]

eh, i've had enough bad experiences with mechanics, i just learned how to do it all myself

i completely rebuilt my silverado engine

pro tip, never buy a silverado

[clear ferry]

@last dirge no that would be 1/4 too

[last dirge]

Volvos are reasonably priced in Sweden?

[clear ferry]

Any car is

And any car can be imported from the EU for $10

[last dirge]

Volvos are stupid expensive here

[rain swift]

yes, teleport me, most mechanics either have no idea what they are doing, are crooks, or both.

[pure vine]

mazdas have been good cars for my family

[fallow galleon]

Only owned the big 3 Japanese

Toyota, Acura, and a nissan

definitely avoiding nissan from now on

[last dirge]

I've owned Mazda, Honda, Nissan

and Subaru

from Japan, that is

I've also owned a Chevrolet, VW, BMW, Porsche

and Ford

and Tesla

of course

[jade tartan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/266287234393702400/676901697393786881/unknown.png

so i notice this

wondering if i buy a hue bulb only if i could get it working with HA to make that octoprint thing work

[fallow galleon]

My father almost ran a red light yesterday. It's the second time I see him do that.

Really considering a Tesla for him....

[last dirge]

it won't help (yet)

@vestal cape why 🤔 ?

[ruby mauve]

Which cloud is recommended these days? Think the last one I had set up was ownCloud, and then there's Nextcloud... annnd.. that's the two I knew.

Also, that OctoPrint hue thing sounds interesting - I might try that out once I get my RPi offloaded ^^

[tidal bronze]

@last dirge just

[last dirge]

eh?

[fallow galleon]

wait....Scotxit?

This time how many years it's gonna take

[ruby mauve]

"The nation formerly known as Great Britain"?

[clever mortar]

Cough no politics cough 😉

[ruby mauve]

Fair ^^

Anyway! Which cloud should I go for these days, anyone? Essentially just for myself + parents.

[fallow galleon]

define cloud

I see you mention owncloud/nextcloud, what's wrong with them

[ruby mauve]

Oh nothing, it's just been years since I looked into it - wasn't sure if anything had change since then :)

Some new great alternative or such, or one of them selling their soul to McAfee or some such equal silly thing.

[fallow galleon]

oh. That Idk. I'm gonna install nextcloud on my NAS soon

[jade tartan]

yeah, i wana know if you can have it point to a hassio addon or something, i dont wana buy a hue bridge

[ruby mauve]

I'mma try some googling tomorrow, if no major thoughts on it ^^ Was thinking of trying out Nextcloud of the two.. I think I remember owncloud having some payment stuff for it going on.

Can typically find the hue bridge 2.1 fairly cheap atm if it was. Quite a few around here buying more than one of the "Hue starter kits", ending up with two bridges they don't need. Is how I bought my own a couple of weeks back, some €30 or so.

If OctoPrint supports it then there's the IKEA Trådfri as well, or any of the fancy ZigBee2MQTT things that I didn't look too much into after finding the cheap Hue.

Issue being that the Hue bulbs, IKEA Trådfri bulbs, runs on ZigBee, your regular WiFi router can't talk to them.. So you'd need "something" in order to be able to talk to them, if you go that route. Else there's regular wireless bulbs, but no clue if that'd work with the above.

You could probably use a WeMos D1 together with some w2812b led strip, and do it like that, run it off USB power if not too many LEDs.

[humble acorn]

Does anyone have any tips for full screen web-based dashboards? Weather, news, etc...

Got a 24/7 running old laptop that just cycles random youtube live web cams at the moment, would want to make it display something useful :P

[last dirge]

@steel urchin the Roborock picked up a 55 grain 45ACP bullet it found somewhere in the house

[forest edge]

another "drive by" brian?

[steel urchin]

lol

[hushed basalt]

Is there an API for that

If json.body.objectFound == bullet

[last dirge]

I used to reload and I had a bunch of bullets that I ended up using in 3d printed stuff as ballast

apparently one dropped somewhere and I didn't realize it

[green inlet]

@ruby mauve , about 6-8 months ago I installed DietPi and NextCloud on a Raspi3 with a 500 gig usb Drive. Every week I log into it to do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. That’s it. Never really understood how to save things to it beyond an app? Not sure what good that is. I am sure I am missing something. Anyway, if you learn anything along the way, I would love to know. Thanks in advance.

[rain swift]

How does saying the name of a country constitute politics? 🤔

[last dirge]

#intentiallyobtuse

[brisk glen]

🤢

All of that to simply turn off a light when there is no motion after 45ish mins with Apple

This is why the must not be named software is far far better

[hushed basalt]

🤢

[brisk glen]

@hushed basalt siri shortcuts and homekit is soooo bad

[hushed basalt]

https://media.tenor.com/images/7e935e55e827d6d40c607f826c14e8bc/tenor.gif

[brisk glen]

the only thing I can do to make it nicer... is add a repeat to repeat the repeats to make by the min....

god dam

[forest edge]

https://media.tenor.com/images/6abc5f7167c14c09d3dc9066aa45ef6e/tenor.gif

[tidal bronze]

Interesting,

[steel urchin]

yep, it sounds pretty natural as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gh6_U7Nfjs

[hushed basalt]

Is it true that USA KFC don't serve chips?

[forest edge]

chips?

as in potato chips?

[tidal bronze]

You mean fries ?

[hushed basalt]

Ew no

https://media.tenor.com/images/f6eacd748dd0e9c7a79dffe7ca7e64e9/tenor.gif

[tidal bronze]

That looks like curly fries

[hushed basalt]

Fries are what mcdonalds sell

https://media.tenor.com/images/b7e57017ae2cd388e1630c4ff4d69176/tenor.gif

[tidal bronze]

🤣 hmm everyone sells fries

[forest edge]

KFC has wedge fries for their bowls or whatevver it's called. not sure they have a "side" of fries tho

[hushed basalt]

Chips are like the best thing ever

[forest edge]

that is not what we call chips lol

[steel urchin]

lol fail

[forest edge]

those big ones we call steak fries lol

[tidal bronze]

I have no clue anyways. Haven't had KFC in like ages.

[steel urchin]

crinkle cut can diaf

[tidal bronze]

That picture had a curl to it. 😄

[forest edge]

you no likey crinkle cut?

[steel urchin]

no those are the bottom of the dumpster mush of fries

[hushed basalt]

Fail?

I didn't fail

[tidal bronze]

Don't eat fast food anymore. Have no idea what crinkle is. Lol

[forest edge]

I never cared for sweet potato fries, although the woman loves them lol

@tidal bronze

[steel urchin]

on the paleo diet i had to learn to like them, but nothin beats a good russet potato fried

[tidal bronze]

On keto for sometime.

[steel urchin]

and no @hushed basalt , i did the fail

just started keto myself... it's been ok so far, sometimes a bit of a struggle to hit the fats

[tidal bronze]

Yep. 5 days 16/8 fasting as well.

Hardest for me is keeping the cow intake low. 😄

@steel urchin what's your protein intake ?

[steel urchin]

well since we just started, mostly chicken because we had a ton left

[tidal bronze]

Percentage wise

[steel urchin]

i'm being s ummoned, gotta run, will continue later

[forest edge]

by summoned he's being hit in the back with a bamboo stick

[ocean mirage]

waffle fries best fries

[forest edge]

anymore for me seasoning makes the fry

[midnight adder]

lads, anyone lets the world out of your local network to talk with your mqtt broker?

[neat solstice]

Pretty new to HA and I have an issue. Was working on some changes, saw an update pending for HA and clicked update. When it rebooted I'm getting "Unable to connect to Home Assistant". Where would be the best place to ask for help?

[forest edge]

@neat solstice #330944238910963714

[neat solstice]

TY. I posted there.

[steel urchin]

this lightning storm is setting off the motion detection 😏

[brisk glen]

interesting

[steel urchin]

rofl, The Office:

"In 5 years, I'd like to be 5 years sober"

"That's great!"

".... 4 and a half years"

[clear ferry]

@midnight adder preferably not 😛

[brisk glen]

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/swift-playgrounds/id1496833156?mt=12

yay

[clear ferry]

Baby sleeping on top of me, sun outside and JoJo's bizarre adventure on the TV

This is the life

[clever mortar]

😂

[ocean mirage]

never picked you for a weeb

[clear ferry]

Now if I only had my head phones I could join two conf calls

I've watched anime for 25 years @ocean mirage

[ocean mirage]

disgusting

[clear ferry]

The both of ya!

https://media.tenor.com/images/e8f711c13ca907bdc8b6ca96c54e81ac/tenor.gif

[ocean mirage]

is this some old person thing

[clear ferry]

You haven't seen that clip?

https://youtu.be/F1FcN17hSe0

[ocean mirage]

No I havent

still

[clear ferry]

[strange vapor]

Small dusting of snow here this morning. Chaos 😱

Carpark at the train station is on a slight slope. Cars parked on ice on said slope, so they're slowly sliding out into the aisle and bumping off downhill cars!!

[urban steppe]

@strange vapor relatable;... https://preview.redd.it/zmmtv7i7ky021.png?width=780&auto=webp&s=da4712c1538eb0726f539ce59dd7555a22223d5d

[hushed basalt]

He

For here that's rain

Also the image needs to be flipped

[ocean mirage]

Theres one roundabout in Canberra you are guaranteed will have at least on crash if it rains

[hushed basalt]

Here. Straya driving, japanese reading.

No wait it doesn't work

Stupid mirrors

No wait the original comic is wrong

Madness

[clear ferry]

[eager vortex]

what channel should i use for template help?

my sensor template isnt working

i would like assistant in this but need to know witch channel

[clever mortar]

#templates-archived would be the rather obvious place 😉

[eager vortex]

obvious yes but knowing me...

cheers

[urban steppe]

meh work sucks;

cant even browse to pastebin 😦

[ocean mirage]

why on earth would they block that

does it list a reason

[urban steppe]

Nope no reason given, can ask for permission but that will take weeks

:/

[strange vapor]

@urban steppe They tried being that restrictive here, but when it started blocking access to tools we require to do our jobs because they might also be used to tunnel, it disappeared.

Demoing a simple proxy, using the python installed in OSX, which connected to an external https server (sslh FTW) could be used to bypass all their restrictions didn't go down well.

[hushed basalt]

Corporations who try to blacklist their way to productivity are doomed to fail

Or even worse, whitelist

I'm not a big fan of the moat security model though

[mint estuary]

pastebin is seen as a quick way to leak sensitive info

its hardly odd its blocked

although obviously the stupid thing is there are a thousand other sites and ways to achieve the same thing 🙂

[hushed basalt]

Seems like one of those things that just harms the innocent and barely phases the guilty

[mint estuary]

eh, to be honest, its a bit like padlocks/door locks

it keeps the innocent, innocent

so I can understand why companies do it

[low harness]

It gives a bit of protection against mistakes.

[urban steppe]

@mint estuary true, and I understand why they do it and work wise I dont need to access it.

[strange vapor]

The sslh tool I mentioned about is really good for screwing with IT folk. It's kind of hard to distinguish one SSL stream from another, so a lot of really expensive gateway appliances are blind to it. https://github.com/yrutschle/sslh

Once you have an external SSH connection, all bets are off!

Another really fun one is DNS Tunnelling. Easy to detect if you know about it, but most security tools seem to miss it :/

Unfortunately, it seems a lot of "security" outfits are filled by people who got a basic security cert because they heard there's money in security. They know how to defend against the attacks/compromises they were taught, but aren't interested/twisted enough to look outside the box 😢

[clear ferry]

@urban steppe i just connect to 4g at work

@strange vapor you mean like people who segregated their networks to avoid "hackers in iot" but do full routing between the networks?

[strange vapor]

@clear ferry I segregate out the networks for IoT stuff and have full routing. However, the IoT and media network has no outbound access except for what's needed, while the likes of FORBIDDEN TOPIC on the server vlan can connect into the likes of the Hue and the TV.

Oh, and the Android TV can connect out via a Squid Proxy, but that's it.

[clear ferry]

You should work in security then! 😛

[mint estuary]

I'm about to set up pfsense as my router at home this weekend, with a managed switch. I know nothing about networking lol

[strange vapor]

I'm hell on the poor security team at work. I'll happily nix anything that's security theatre rather than fixing an issue, which is really fun.

[mint estuary]

I'd like to segment IoT stuff on vlans and allow only whats needed to pass through

[clear ferry]

@mint estuary learn networking, do stuff

Not the other way around

That.. is a poor idea

[mint estuary]

I'm a very hands on learn by doing though

[clear ferry]

And will lead to frustration and more

[mint estuary]

networking seems very academic to me

[clear ferry]

It is 😛

I've worked with it for 20+ years, I still learn new stuff every week

[mint estuary]

cool * makes note to reach out to you over 4G when my home internet is down on sunday * 😉

[clear ferry]

[mint estuary]

hehehe

I had to do something. I have 100mb fiber but the internet is soooo slow

and my HA addiction means I have more than my poor little router can handle

and even if my current kit is fine, I can't find out easily whats causing the slowness

so meh

was a chance to buy some shiney stuff and justify it to the mrs 😉

[clear ferry]

100mbit? How is life in 2005?

😛

[mint estuary]

hah

lets be honest, unless you're pirating stuff (no judgement from me), 100mb is fine

[orchid rose]

And here's me with my 10Mbps

[strange vapor]

@clear ferry Outside your Norwegian Socialist Utopia, 100Mb is quite good :p

[clear ferry]

How is life in 2001 @orchid rose

[mint estuary]

my kid is only 6months so he's not figured out 4k streaming of Disney+ quite yet either

[clear ferry]

@strange vapor mmmmm socialist utopia

[mint estuary]

yeah I figured you must be in a scandi country

[orchid rose]

uhm ackhyually my 2001 Internet was faster than this

[clear ferry]

I've had gigabit avaliable since 2015, but I only have 500mbit because the price doesn't justify it

[orchid rose]

It was 10/10 and this is 10/2

[clear ferry]

🤢

You sick bastards

[mint estuary]

heh

100/20 here

[clear ferry]

🤢

[mint estuary]

thought I got 20/10 when I did a speed test lol

[clear ferry]

Unsynchronized speeds🤢

That is ridiculous on fiber

[mint estuary]

paying about 500 a month of your norwegian krone's too

[orchid rose]

lul

[clear ferry]

I pay 520 for 500/500

[mint estuary]

cool but do you ever see over 20 degrees C in the summer? 😋

[strange vapor]

My ISP should be able to offer me GigE shortly. Don't really need it but, want anyway 😄

[clear ferry]

Yes, usually 30-35 @mint estuary

[mint estuary]

wtf?

[orchid rose]

he's a southener

[clear ferry]

Now I am yes, but we can get 30-35 up north too, happened as late as two years ago

[mint estuary]

I realy like Norway. Watching some show about norse gods and teenagers on netflix atm, and love the Norwegian scenery

[clear ferry]

https://weather.cs.uit.no/cgi-bin/wtstat?type=day&day=temp

[mint estuary]

I'm from UK and my gf is Icelandic, we can never agree where to live. Maybe Norway would be a good compromise 😉

[clear ferry]

Historic temp data from my home town

[orchid rose]

Coming from UK I think most countries would be an upgrade in regards to weather 🙂

[mint estuary]

hah yep

looks to be mostly between 10 and 15 in July last year though

[orchid rose]

it's definitely colder in the nordic countries in the summer, but it's not as bad as people think

[mint estuary]

police, everyone hide

[clever mortar]

Pfft, other than the summer warmth, I like the Scottish weather

[mint estuary]

oh 😉

[clever mortar]

Where else do you get all four seasons in one afternoon?

[mint estuary]

wait we're in lounge

[clear ferry]

Hol up

[clever mortar]

And not talking politics for once...

[orchid rose]

he's playing the good cop, don't trust him

[mint estuary]

hehehe

my gf actually felt at home in edinburgh too @clever mortar

"cold and wet like iceland" is what she said

[clever mortar]

😄

[clear ferry]

Iceland, the only country where locals have to use an app to not accidentally have sex with their cousins

[mint estuary]

lol not wrong there

[clear ferry]

And I'm not kidding

🤷

[mint estuary]

we're watching Ragnarok at the moment

Norway looks very much like Iceland but with actual trees

[clear ferry]

Yes, and less inbreeding

[mint estuary]

there is an iceland joke that roughly translates "what do you do if you get lost in an iceland forest? step to the left"

[clear ferry]

And more civilization and stuff to do that is not just therapeutic and relaxing

[mint estuary]

I realy don't want to ever move to Iceland but I think its an inevitability

we also found out legally our child doesn't get an Icelandic passport if he hasnt spent 2 years in Iceland by the time he's 18

which sucks

[clear ferry]

I'm considering moving North and just do home office 🤷

[hushed basalt]

I wouldn't know what to do in a snow country

I suspect internal temperatures would be warmer and more comfortable than our dog boxes though

It'll get down to 1-2° in winter but your living room will be 8 degrees overnight

[clear ferry]

Our houses stay 20-24c 24/7

[ocean mirage]

Seems warm for you lot

[mint estuary]

in Iceland they all have their radiators on but windows open

had to explain to my gf that heating costs £££ in the UK

[ocean mirage]

If I moved it’d likely be somewhere with higher minimum temperatures, not lower

[clear ferry]

I prefer being able to heat

It's harder to cool

[mint estuary]

I run hot, so I agree

[clear ferry]

My internal temperature is very high, so I shovel snow in my t-shirt and have to take off my shoes at work

[ocean mirage]

If I moved somewhere coastal I’d get lower highs and higher lows

It’d be nice

But I’ll be here for a good few years yet

[hushed basalt]

My house will climb above 30 if I let it in summer

Winter will go below 10

Yay Australian building codes

My electricity bill is also about $2500 a year :/

[mint estuary]

and $2490 of it is running HA stuff

(or is that just my house now lol)

[scenic radish]

Surprisingly I've never seen my condo reach higher than 80F (26.6C) in the summer, and we have days that go over 100F (38C)

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt I have $3000-$3500 per year probably

My office can be 40c in summer

But that is because I close the door because of all my conf calls

I have a heat pump upstairs that regulates the temperature

[tidal bronze]

That is cheap considering you heat as well with electricity @clear ferry

[clear ferry]

Well, currently the cost of electricity is 0.23nok per kwh

Plus 0.5nok for transportation

[hushed basalt]

0.27c/kwh here

I think

Transporation?

More over east

[tidal bronze]

$0.023 what?

[hushed basalt]

Norwegian dolleroos

[clear ferry]

We pay one price to the company producing power and one to the company delivering it

[hushed basalt]

Dinglefrancs

Polarmarcs

[tidal bronze]

That is CHEAP! How many flux capacitors are you running at home dude? @clear ferry

[clear ferry]

None, just too many servers and such

[hushed basalt]

That's about 5 cents USD

So he can burn about 4 times as much power for me at the same price

[tidal bronze]

Yep

[clear ferry]

Yeah, 0.079usd per kwh total here

[tidal bronze]

Google says $0.025 🙂

[hushed basalt]

South Australia pays about $0.38c/kwh

How good is privatisation

[hushed basalt]

So given an equal load, atxbyea spends in 24 hours what they spend in about 3.

[clear ferry]

[tidal bronze]

Expensive in Australia than LA hmmmm

[hushed basalt]

We're Hella expensive

[tidal bronze]

Although with city taxes comes about 0.31

[clear ferry]

They burn koalas to produce electricity

[hushed basalt]

Plus all our indirect costs

[tidal bronze]

How much is water ?

[hushed basalt]

Oh that thing you want to buy is $60 USD, but you can't buy it from Australia, but there's someone willing to sell it to you for $180 AUD

Cheap enough not to worry about it

[clear ferry]

We pay fixed price based on house size, think I pay $150 per 6 months

[hushed basalt]

But my city invested in desalination long ago

Other cities are screwed

[tidal bronze]

That's half a month here @clear ferry lol

[clear ferry]

Lol, I'll check

[hushed basalt]

If we gun it we pay about $25/month

If we're reasonably conservative it's less

But we're renting so we only pay consumption

Rates are expensive

[tidal bronze]

Water and power is billed here every 2 months. Summer about $1500 a month

[clear ferry]

Yeah, my memory was right

We pay local taxes and water 2 or 4 times a year

Electricity every month

[tidal bronze]

Gas every month, water and power every 2 months and property taxes, never ends. lol

Gas is the cheapest

[clear ferry]

And we don't even have that 😛

[tidal bronze]

I would not be heating pool/spa with electricity on any given day 🙂

[clear ferry]

If you paid our prices for power you would ;)

[tidal bronze]

All day

[last dirge]

I watched a pretty interesting video on EEVBlog's channel yesterday discussing how poor product design leads to massive load on the electrical grid

pretty interesting shit 🙂

[clear ferry]

You mean like 110v?

[tidal bronze]

Yes the grid should be 220v that's too late for us now.

[clear ferry]

Which is a very shitty design😛

Just switch to metric over night too

[tidal bronze]

Although all major appliances are on 220

So not a a major crime 🙂

AC Pool Pumps etc are all on 220

[last dirge]

@clear ferry he's in AUS so no

[clear ferry]

They plug in koalas to the wall

Poor design choice

[tidal bronze]

@last dirge link?

[last dirge]

gimme a minute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kI8ySvNPdQ&t=1399s

[tidal bronze]

Got some time to burn at the lounge 🙂

[clear ferry]

Mains powered smoke alarm? Wtf

That is the strangest shit I've heard this week

[last dirge]

that's code in the US and AUS at least

[clear ferry]

Wtf

[last dirge]

they have to be hardwired and they have to be able to activate one another

hardwired with battery backup

[clever mortar]

Mains are normal here too - also "code"

[clear ferry]

We just do battery, connected to each other is optional

[clever mortar]

Any new build or major renovation is required to fit them, and they have to be connected to each other

[brisk glen]

https://www.evehome.com/en/eve-smoke

[tidal bronze]

Connected to central station here brings insurance down drastically.

[clear ferry]

House fires are rare in Norway outside of December

[brisk glen]

nothing like flashing red lights when they go off

[tidal bronze]

We are fire capital 🙂 So mine are central station connected.

[brisk glen]

sooo, Chicago? or cali

[tidal bronze]

Cali

[brisk glen]

rip

[scenic radish]

RIP in peace

[clear ferry]

Rest in rip peace

[scenic radish]

yo dawg...?

[brisk glen]

we need more puking faces

[clear ferry]

[brisk glen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/397426163649216512/677008616670232586/image0.png << 43 min of not motion turn off lights in homekit

[clear ferry]

I got you fam

[brisk glen]

something for you to puke about

[tidal bronze]

Talking about Chicago was training a pilot yesterday from there and the guy was crying he didn't want to go back home. Said it's 32 back home and it's 71 how unfair is this. 😀

[clear ferry]

[brisk glen]

poor guy

yes... that is the only way in homekit with a motion sensor

[tidal bronze]

What's homekit ?

[clear ferry]

Homekit

[brisk glen]

@tidal bronze apple

[tidal bronze]

Oh

[brisk glen]

and that right there is why I use HA

[tidal bronze]

But I think that automation looks perfect for apple users

[clear ferry]

Overpriced and old fashioned?

[brisk glen]

@tidal bronze its fugly as hell

[tidal bronze]

I meant taking the long way to do a simple thing

[brisk glen]

exactly

[arctic compass]

My theme has been released yesterday 🙂 https://community.home-assistant.io/t/dwains-theme-released-an-auto-generating-lovelace-ui-theme/168593?u=dwains

[clever mortar]

#frontend-archived 😉

[pure vine]

:P having to go to all the light and repair them as some contractors drilled into a mains cable outside a mcdonalds

[jaunty summit]

this came across my feed today:
https://youtu.be/v8-VNIQQiQE

pretty informative especially for newbies

[last dirge]

I had a switch failure the other day

booo

first one in a few years

makes me wonder why GE didn't use SSRs

[wet pilot]

probably to save 10 cents a unit

[last dirge]

cheap asses

[clear ferry]

[scenic radish]

I like that one

[jaunty summit]

the emoji truffle shuffle

[novel rune]

hi guys, I'm making an app that serve as Home Assistant Dashboard, it's look really nice and extremely easy to setup. It's only in beta for android at the moment and I'm looking for more tester.

https://github.com/tuanha2000vn/Home-Assistant-Dashboard/releases/latest

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

For chat around things that aren't Home Assistant related, like whether Docker or Kubernetes, or Celcius or Kelvin, or Celcius or Celsius, or anything. NO POLITICS or RELIGION and BE CIVIL to one another or get BANNED permanently.

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Tediore

[scenic radish]

@novel rune ☝️

Either way, you probably wanna post it on the forum. Even in the proper channel it'll get buried quickly here

[arctic compass]

@clever mortar frontend is for support 😛

[clear ferry]

[scenic radish]

i really wish my work would give me a new laptop already... excel has been stuck at Calculating (4 threads): 99% for the last hour

whereas i'm about a thread's width away from losing my mind

[last dirge]

why the hell is the sheet that big?

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/qto1cj1dhhg41.png

https://i.redd.it/m74t4cn4qfg41.jpg

[scenic radish]

@last dirge it's a spreadsheet with a lot of formulas referencing a lot of data from a SQL query. Someone else made it. I'm just gonna have to rewrite the query and rework the formulas at some point but haven't had the time to do so

For one, they used vlookup instead of index(match())

vlookup 🤢

[last dirge]

people usually reach for the tool they're familiar with

[scenic radish]

hlookup 🤢

[last dirge]

not necessarily the best for the job

[scenic radish]

Yeah, that's true

[tidal bronze]

https://open.spotify.com/track/3mWfaQkxgPGYttNeGHtuRc?si=sMgt7hUwQ-WwtTBfN04kjA

[rain swift]

I dunno if this is allowed or not, but I found it both amusing, and sad.

https://www.gov.uk/tv-licence?fbclid=IwAR3t1fjemHLJ09uv9jEuH8GmVwIn_5rjpPskEGFifRawyIo8SKBoAIDeAuE

[last dirge]

this is pretty interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICcEOXVZ3F0

apparently the TOSLINK output bypassed any copy protection

I never knew that

also the dude called HDMI Handy-Dandy Movie Input, lol

[scenic radish]

"handy dandy movie input" lmao

love it

do you have a license to post this brian?

[last dirge]

says so right here on my IDGAF card that I can

[scenic radish]

https://youtu.be/Vqbk9cDX0l0

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/87Ba9yb83JY

[hushed basalt]

Straya

[midnight adder]

anyone have one of these?

they're 90 bucks at the moment

[scenic radish]

FWIW I've gotten the OG Google hub for $47 new before

Or whatever the hell it's called now

Google Nest hub

[midnight adder]

dang

theyre like 120 euro here

I'm interested in getting one to replace my home mini in the bedroom

then move the mini to the kitchen

[scenic radish]

I think the hub looks nicer but I don't know how sound quality compares between that and the Lenovo display

[midnight adder]

imo the lenovo smart display 7 is nicer

doesn't seem to be on the european market yet

[scenic radish]

ehh that just looks too tall to me

obvi just a matter of opinion though

though for usability that's probably nice

L O N G B O I

[midnight adder]

the display 8 you can actually orient vertically lol

[scenic radish]

lol wtf

[scenic radish]

[tidal bronze]

5 hour delay because Delta decides to replace the avionics computer while taxing for takeoff. 😂 I would think they check these things airside. Lol.

[scenic radish]

Dammit Kevin

(I'm assuming the person at fault is named Kevin)

[tidal bronze]

Yep was Kevin.

Was preoccupied forwarding port 8123

[scenic radish]

Ah, the FORBIDDEN TOPIC port

Or, according to nmap, polipo

OLEEE-OLEEE-POLIPO!

[brisk glen]

https://v.redd.it/ecfzaqpkhkg41

[dull chasm]

@tidal bronze are you ready fixing to get some more BOOM BOOM with a additional 5x channel amp

[tidal bronze]

No more boom boom for me. I think little too much now. Lol 😀

Went nuts last Sunday and added these to the far end of the back yard, chromecast audio plus 20w x 2 and polks on the fence line.

[hushed basalt]

My friend asked me how to use ftp yesterday 🤢

@scenic radish it's spelt KVN

https://media.tenor.com/images/9b9db8233a8ac0b1b679fa07e5bb6d8e/tenor.gif

[forest edge]

maybe they were using sftp

[hushed basalt]

Ha

Funny guy

I'm surprised they weren't using telnet

[forest edge]

telnet is probably the most secured of all because everyone gave up/forgot about it

@scenic radish whats the temp outside right now?

[scenic radish]

30F-ish

[forest edge]

really? that's it?

[last dirge]

telnet?

[tidal bronze]

Yikes

[last dirge]

the one with no security at all?

[forest edge]

we're suppose to get like this crazy cold snap from you over night and it's only 30F? lol

if the Chinese gave up on it why would you need security? whats more secure than that? lol

[hushed basalt]

Lol

Security through obscurity, perfect!

Although I wonder how many people could hack a mainframe

[scenic radish]

It's supposed to drop below 0 tomorrow...night or tonight I think

[tidal bronze]

Happy days for @scenic radish

[scenic radish]

https://media.tenor.com/images/0e266d0d1a69757dedd4e0ce7b8d6df0/tenor.gif

https://media.tenor.com/images/95b47b281b4338eb2fa415a81a763a5a/tenor.gif

https://media.tenor.com/images/f18e5a77a9ce473ba4e0b0b52b6414d7/tenor.gif

[hushed basalt]

https://media.tenor.com/images/01c7da24d3cf873a7766da1d5df776c9/tenor.gif

https://media.tenor.com/images/628f5f38145cd50d64e011d586e2f62d/tenor.gif

Is this what the singularity will look like

AI talking to AI in nothing but gifs

[tidal bronze]

Spoke too soon

[hushed basalt]

What's that in human readable units

https://media.tenor.com/images/4b1577a36cadc633f207e0bd22b9377c/tenor.gif

[wet pilot]

though they're declaring "spring" has started here

[tidal bronze]

Miss the 71 already. 🙄

[wet pilot]

which could be pretty rough if we get another cold snap

[hushed basalt]

https://media.tenor.com/images/9a39a36eee84903102e10173fd8bd63b/tenor.gif

[wet pilot]

apparently Georgia (the state not the country) lost all their peaches one year because of something like this

[hushed basalt]

Every time I see Fahrenheit ^

[wet pilot]

that's 14c fyi

58F

[tidal bronze]

What's the C doing in NC ?

This stuff is confusing enough and @wet pilot go double it.

[wet pilot]

😛

@hushed basalt already bitched

[tidal bronze]

That's down under

[rough remnant]

Georgia having a cold snap, while here in Maine, we're still waiting for the seven feet of snow

[hushed basalt]

Cough everywhere in the world except murrica cough

[rough remnant]

Welp, I misread the coversation so go me

Literally colder in NC than ME tho

[wet pilot]

pic is in C

58F

[rough remnant]

Oh god damnit. My brain will work today

Maybe

no

[tidal bronze]

See how outstanding the orange is?

[rough remnant]

Oh yeah, I hate using the imperial system

Way harder than it needs to convert

But if I use metric no one understands me

So never got increddably familiar

[forest edge]

I like temps in F over C

[ocean mirage]

temperatures are whatever I guess

either one works

other measurements where you make conversions often it probably matters more

[forest edge]

I wish length and width ect was all one system

I wish tools were all one system most of all

[rough remnant]

But like, convert a volume of water to weight in imperial

On the spot

[ocean mirage]

oh god yes trying to guess if something is imperial or metric when choosing a tool

[forest edge]

well our flash freeze is under way.. creepy how it snowed all day just above freezing temps so every concrete surface was melted and now looks like that freezing effect from the the movie day after tomorrow lol

[forest edge]

people telling you their genital size something normal?

[quick venture]

not for any reason but i don't know what else to do because i'm not admitting to a stranger that i want to have sex with them but i'm not entirely sure how big their dick is

[ocean mirage]

easier than using google thats for sure

[forest edge]

where is "here"

[quick venture]

toronto

[hushed basalt]

As much as I bag on imperial I do use it a lot for measurements

My last industry used feet for distances

[forest edge]

feet does sound better than meters lol

[quick venture]

it's like, certain "things" people still use imperial for here, maybe it's just in my experience but I'll tell you I haven't met many guys who used cm

[ocean mirage]

personal measurements are still usually feet and inches in australia

[quick venture]

yeah, that too. i have never met a single person born and raised here who used anything but ft and in for their height

like i don't even know how many cm i am tall. i have to look it up

i guess personal measurements is a good way to quantify it actually I never thought of that, cos a lot of people still use lbs

for their weight

and i am so sorry i thought i was in another server where that sort of talk was more accepted. i'm going to leave now in embarassment

[forest edge]

🤣

[tidal bronze]

Personal measurements in cm feels small 🤔 😂

[forest edge]

could be worse some may have to use nanometers lol

[hushed basalt]

I am 165000000000 nM tall

[storm summit]

note: When deleting data from influx first make backups. It's not like a normal database. hahah 🙂

I just discovered I accidentally deleted all my temp data had to restore from backups from a few days ago because I didn't realize it. now there is a few day gap. oh well, better than losing years of data.

[hushed basalt]

How does it differ?

[clear ferry]

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/f20abc/-/fh9rjr2

One of the best comments I've read on reddit

[clear ferry]

I should try out wireguard some day

[strange vapor]

You should.

[clear ferry]

Maybe I should switch to opnsense then, since pfsense aren't adopting wireguard yet 😛

[strange vapor]

Or run a Pi behind PFSense as a dedicated VPN terminator 😉

[clear ferry]

Pff I'm a traditionalist, I terminate on the edge 😛

https://i.redd.it/xynyfkm51kg41.jpg

[prisma ore]

hello people!

im having a little issue. I update to version 0.105.3

and some icons, like lights, when they turned on, they change to yellow

after update icons remain blue

[low harness]

https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2020/02/05/release-105/#icons-no-longer-change-color-based-on-state

[prisma ore]

yeah, maybe this will be usable in future

any suggestion in how to use "state_color"?

i just add it to my entities on my config.yaml?

[low harness]

In the lovelace config

#frontend-archived for further discussion

[clear ferry]

[low harness]

What is that even supposed to mean?

[prisma ore]

thank you @low harness

[clear ferry]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report?wprov=sfla1

Damn you Finland

Must be the vodka

[hushed basalt]

And the lack of you

[scenic radish]

https://media.tenor.com/images/64c2ab74adbfabb798cb2f1cc18d0f5f/tenor.gif

[clear ferry]

https://media.tenor.com/images/c50b4a1d3a15bd3aa8e71d1f03f117bb/tenor.gif

[orchid rose]

we're just not smart enough to understand corruption so it doesn't bother us

[scenic radish]

i must now commit sudoku

[midnight adder]

LOL... I am literally LOL at this comment "im having a little issue. I update to version 0.105.3"

sounds familiar

[scenic radish]

version 0.105.3 of what?

[last dirge]

@clear ferry my mech suit sucks

but my bowl of bacon does a decent job of moving it around

[scenic radish]

mine is too powerful and probably needs a nerf

[clear ferry]

[scenic radish]

[clear ferry]

[pure vine]

[last dirge]

@scenic radish I hate excel

I'm fighting it today

[scenic radish]

i love it

what's today's battle?

[frank crown]

Hi guys, where should I ask for support regarding the supervisor?

[scenic radish]

#330944238910963714

[frank crown]

Perfect, thanks!

[last dirge]

@scenic radish my program's writing XLSX files and Excel's doing goofy crap

it won't display dates properly if the user chooses the format MMMM DD, YYYY

it ends up just showing the first letter of the month word

[scenic radish]

can't say i've seen that before

[last dirge]

what's the format to make it output the whole text of a month?

[scenic radish]

MMMM

[last dirge]

it's ending up mmmmm

must taste better

[scenic radish]

i just confirmed that MMMM DD, YYYY works on my end in a few different ways, applying a custom number format and by referencing a cell with a date serial number in this formula:

=TEXT(C1,"MMMM DD, YYYY")

[last dirge]

put another M on there

it'll switch to just displaying the first alpha

which seems counter-intuitive

[scenic radish]

letter overflow

jk

[last dirge]

ALPHA OVERFLOW

please use only unsigned alpha values

[scenic radish]

no signature required

[valid halo]

Hey y'all

how is the Lounge gang?

[scenic radish]

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[steel urchin]

just loungin

[clear ferry]

@valid halo
https://media.tenor.com/images/ab278d1f75ef1bbc6e620537b05e975e/tenor.gif

[last dirge]

I went to school with a kid that kind of looked like that

he and his now-dead brother (unrelated to the syndrome) have some super rare genetic deformity that only the two of them are known to have

and holy shit, he was apparently a stand-in for Ant Man

when he was an ant

also, he's 3' 11" tall and owns and operates a trucking company

he drives big rigs

[scenic radish]

that was a whirlwind

[last dirge]

and apparently owns the domain worldsfastestmidget.com

[scenic radish]

that is amazing

[last dirge]

he drove a hot rodded '93 Mustang that was super modified for him

nobody but him and his brother were able to drive it

[scenic radish]

seriously, this rollercoaster just keeps going

[last dirge]

he's an interesting guy

it's hilarious to see a dump truck roll up and his tiny little body hop out of the driver's door

[clear ferry]

Jewsus Christ, the 90s Mustangs

The most horrible cars ever designed to view

🤢

I would even have a Chrysler le baron over that

[last dirge]

blasphemy

the K car is horrible

[clear ferry]

I actually looked at a 89 lebaron at some point

Like 20 years ago

[last dirge]

formerly owned by John Voight?

[clear ferry]

Probably not

[last dirge]

was Seinfeld popular in Norway?

[scenic radish]

Norwat

[clear ferry]

Yes it was

Flight at 7:30 tomorrow

So I can sleep till 5:30

[scenic radish]

love seinfeld

[clear ferry]

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How Teddie enters #the-water-cooler

@tidal bronze price for power dropped even more now, 0.019usd per kwh

[last dirge]

that's crazy cheap

[rain swift]

fire up MOAR servers.

[clear ferry]

But I've already powered down my bladechassis

[last dirge]

I have a stack of pizza boxes you could've taken home in a checked bag

[clear ferry]

Pfff 4u or go home

If you do 4.3u we can get a moonshot chassis

And get a nice density

So many forbidden topic non virtualized instances in so little space

[steel urchin]

damn, wish i had nvidia shares.. they've been killin it

[clear ferry]

With proper storage

[steel urchin]

grrr i wanna say something but i'll break nda

let's just say, 12-16mo, the whole landscape could very easily change 🙂

[clear ferry]

Say it say it

[steel urchin]

lol already been sued for that once, i learned my mistake

well, wasn't me, but someone in my company

[clear ferry]

Boring

[steel urchin]

lol

[brisk glen]

@steel urchin nvidia gives open source linux drivers to the world

stock goes boom

[clear ferry]

Nvidia actually releases a stable driver

[steel urchin]

err, didn't they do that like 7 years ago?

that's the nv driver, isn't it?

or did they release the proprietary one?

[brisk glen]

there is a reason there is a community done okish nouveau

proprietary one

they have blobs

[steel urchin]

well how is that open source?

you're meaning firmware blobs, right?

[brisk glen]

yes

and it has its issues

the closed source firmware blobs are far better

[steel urchin]

still, wish i had stock in them a few months ago

[last dirge]

haha

@boreal pewter have you used typescript?

[steel urchin]

typescript is good... the only thing i hate about JS is precompiling... wish browsers would catch up to the ecmascript standard faster

flash/as3 had it more concise like 10 years ago

[tidal bronze]

@steel urchin that screenshot made my day. Got some at $150, wowza !

[steel urchin]

lucky!

or rather, smart!

hope you got a bunch!

[tidal bronze]

Was birthday gift to myself last year. Lol. Yep a few ;-)

[hushed basalt]

I guess there's always an infinite amount of new opportunities going forwards

I try not to worry too much about retrospective missed opportunities

But can't invest anything atm since we need cash for a house deposit

[steel urchin]

i'm still trying to get the last of the houses on the market so i can start day trading

contractors around here are unreliable and scammers

[hushed basalt]

All the good ones get undercut out of the market

Without enforced regulation dodgey operators will always take over the market

[fickle basin]

hi, why RPI2 is not recomended?

[scenic radish]

Too slow to provide a decent experience

[hushed basalt]

Google really can't help themselves can they

[rain swift]

Hahaha

They are evil, I wish Apple wasn't my only other choice

[scenic radish]

What am I missing here

[hushed basalt]

Google made yet another chat app

It's their "corporate Facebook"

But they're marketing it as a collaborative communication experience

So corporate Facebook with inbuilt slack

As opposed to their corporate slack

And their global slack

[rain swift]

Ha

I don't want to use any of that

[hushed basalt]

Yeah their product suite is a bit of a hot mess

[rain swift]

I use teams at work, I hate it too

I don't want social media at work, leave me alone, lol.

[steel urchin]

so basically google plus 2.0?

[hushed basalt]

It literally says formerly known as Google+ lol

[steel urchin]

knew it

[pure vine]

@hushed basalt "formally known as Google + for gsuite"

Currents seems more like a rebranding

[hushed basalt]

I could forgive it if it used hangouts as the chat engine

But I'm pretty sure it's a completely discrete chat/messaging

fRa ctU rE d is th E be sT wAY

[sour escarp]

l33t

[clear ferry]

[robust notch]

What do people reccomened these days for wall mounted (or inwall) tablets/tablet mounts? Most of the nice ones I've seen I can't find anymore and the others are just super bulky

[hushed basalt]

My guess would be an android tablet that's easy to root. With a 3d printed flush mounted frame and a 180 degree usb cable

[tidal bronze]

@hushed basalt chips or fries 🤔

[ocean mirage]

same thing

[clear ferry]

🍟

[hushed basalt]

Ew

I do love some crinkle cut though

But only when they retain that soft buttery steaming hot potato texture inside

With some good chicken salt

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[clear ferry]

In new York @tidal bronze ?

[tidal bronze]

Yep

[clear ferry]

Just daytrippin or staying for longer?

[tidal bronze]

Work as usual 😀

[clear ferry]

I enjoy NYC, we usually stay around 29-35th street

Hotelwise that is

[tidal bronze]

Most weeks I am here few days

[clear ferry]

Have never had time to go to the other boroughs though

But been out to new Jersey and down to Atlantic city

[tidal bronze]

Atlantic City, Vegas knockoff 😂