I was thinking maybe Bose Soundbar 500
#the-water-cooler
orchid rose
the word soundbar alone triggers me
orchid rose
It's great but I personally prefer to have the assistant and speakers separate
the google home mini is so cheap and does most things I need it to
final acorn
well I need on this upler beam to put some speaker
the best fit is soundbar which I can connect to my HA
orchid rose
I get it. I'd probably pick up something cheap that supports whatever platform you're currently using
clear turtle
Hi, all. Just wanted to introduce myself. Mid 30βs, started my journey with wink, moved to SmartThings, and now Iβm on HA for about 6 months now.
Itβs been a great learning experience for me, luckily Iβve been able to RTFM for the most part or stumbled across a post that was similar to whatever issue I was having.
forest edge
@clear turtle hello, welcome to HA.
hushed basalt
@final acorn yamaha make a cheap decentish soundbar with bluetooth capability
tidal bronze
@quaint osprey seen any CT clamps that's compatible with this, that clamps on to bus bars?
quaint osprey
Get a bigger clamp?
tidal bronze
@quaint osprey hmm actually need a rectangular clamp, have very little clearence under the bus bars. π
quaint osprey
Yhdc doesn't make any on Ali?
tidal bronze
Been searching for sometime will keep at it.
hushed basalt
Can you just clamp the cable feeding the bus bar
forest edge
The ritual every Core user does prior to installation. https://media.tenor.com/images/4bcaf48766f690bc607fbacb29998de1/tenor.gif
static plinth
anyone have a favorite pi4 starter kit?
trying to figure out how far up from cheap to go
for a data-logging Pi4 install. I don't know if the fan is indispensable but if it isn't, im thinking an artic fan would be quieter. any such thing as a mid-range starter kit?
Vilros?
midnight adder
Still think my i3 nuc for 180 new on amazon is an all time deal, using that instead of a pi
forest edge
I would go with a nuc/pc or an rpi3B+ with usb boot for any kind of data logging build. the rpi4 does not support usb boot atm and the more accesses to the sdcard you allow the quicker it will fail.
now with that said, you would still get some time out of the sdcard, it wouldn't just die in a week (I would hope) or anything but for the long haul you want a an actual drive, not sdcard
static plinth
Any issues with celeron vs intel?
midnight adder
? What does that mean
forest edge
the cpu won't matter
static plinth
I see alot of i3 processors on up
but I'm not wanting to overkill it
like this should be a good application of the cheapest NUC processor option if ever there was one
forest edge
the thing ran on an rpi2 at one point lol and still runs on many users ancient machines. you'll be fine lol
just make sure it has at least a gig of memory. anything lower would be turdtascular
static plinth
Im going for like 8GB on the ram
hushed basalt
@static plinth I'd seriously consider a second hand SFF desktop pc
Like a Optiplex 9020 or similar
static plinth
yea its easy to keep going and there are good reasons
midnight adder
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B07B79CS8N/ for 99 this nuc canβt be beat
forest edge
for price i dunno how you'd get any cheaper than an rpi3B or 3B+
static plinth
the age old debate
forest edge
the usb to sata cable is like 10 bucks or cheaper, and drives are cheap
certianly all would be under 100 easy, probably under 70
hushed basalt
You can probably get a refurbished usff comp for $100-$150 usd
Including power supply, ssd and memory
My 9020 SFF was $285 AUD with i7, 8GB and 128GB SSD
midnight adder
Which i7?
static plinth
Is it really that bad on a pi4 to boot with SD and then data-log on a USB?
static plinth
hmm
midnight adder
You can boot off SD and use a usb to sata or m.2 adapter with an ssd
Eventually pi4 will get official usb boot then you can get rid of the SD
(Eventually)
hushed basalt
But then you're buying a rpi4 and an ssd and an industrial sd in the intermediate
static plinth
Yea I think that is a good entry point. The NUC option seems to add $100 in minimal costs when it comes down to it (albeit for better parts)
like
either Rpi4 and crappy USB or make the leap to the NUC
midnight adder
Exactly why I got the nuc
hushed basalt
How much is a rpi4 4gb, plus official power supply, plus ssd plus industrial sd
hushed basalt
That's barebones
midnight adder
True
static plinth
ive been thinking about assembling and its a good suggestion
hushed basalt
A refurbished ssf is walk away, plug in mains power and ethernet and go
midnight adder
Whatβs the power consumption on those like
I like the nuc for its power draw
My nuc8i3beh idles at sub 5watts
forest edge
if this machine is going to be nothing but a data logger sitting in a corner
you don't need an rpi4
the rpi3 will handle it just fine
static plinth
lol looks like walmart has one that isnt listed as refurbished in the refurbished section
forest edge
the rpi4 come sinto play when people want to do addons and such
midnight adder
Which @static plinth ?
clear ferry
I don't understand why Google can't let us do Bluetooth handsfree or network handsfree on the home devices
That would be an awesome feature
And I wouldn't need another device in my office for conference calls
hushed basalt
Tbh I don't think they're designed for two way communication at the hardware level
queen kelp
Where do I go to say something needs to be looked into?
queen kelp
That's the log for it.. but it just keeps going and going and going
low harness
The IT crowd has granted me regedit access until my next reboot.
What to do what to do what to do....
clear ferry
You don't have full domain admin at all times? π
jagged mantle
maybe check if you can disable some things so you have access all the time???
hearty turtle
Hello
hushed basalt
@low harness regedit access to what?
low harness
My win10 work computer.
clear ferry
I think it must be 10 years since last I saw a customer laptop without admin rights
low harness
I have admin rights, but something about the antivirus or whatever blocks regedit
Most people don't even have that...
Terrible idea by the new owners.
clear ferry
Most customers today just run Windows defender from what I can see
Symantec is a bloated shit product
Trend is the only proper one still imo
hushed basalt
Corporate IT is a nightmare
Wife came back from maternity leave and had to get a new laptpp
The centre tried to give her some 6 year old junk that couldn't even open training material
IT said she had to do a reformat of the computer before they could issue a new one
Do they still do stupid stuff like issue corporate laptops with spinning rust drives nowadays
clear ferry
I just tell my manager I need a new one, and it magically appears within a week π€·
And any add-ons are auto approved when I order them
hushed basalt
It's just dumb
Let's have an employee who costs the company $200k with overhead work slower to save money on a laptop
Or a couple of hundred on a ssd configuration
CoSt aCcoUntiNg
orchid rose
I'm looking for a way to launch Kodi from a remote connection on Ubuntu. What would be an easy way to do that?
tidal bronze
@hushed basalt no cables on subscriber side
urban steppe
π
@clear ferry there is more than those few big names.. π we run 'Cylance Protect' on all our end-user hardware
biggest benefit of that one is that it doesnt need to update its definitions all the time.
clear ferry
doesn't need to update it's definitions sounds like a red flag to me
the whole point of running any kind of protection is to have definitions up to date
That said, never heard of Cylance Protect π€£
urban steppe
i knew that was comming, it doesnt work with definitions to find issues but has some mathematical process to identify threats
low harness
...right...
urban steppe
yeah... thats what we said too, been rolled out about a year ago, and we havent had any issues since.
clear ferry
I work with... 2-300 customers on a yearly basis, strange that I have never seen that one before π€
urban steppe
I didnt hear about this before it was introduced either
clear ferry
Oh Blackberry company
urban steppe
i work for Sandvik, 42000 users worldwide, Cylance got rolled out for everyone last year
hushed basalt
@tidal bronze what are the bus bars connected to then?
tidal bronze
Underground feed (locked) > meter > bus bar > disconnect> bus bar
tidal bronze
Yep and feeds the bus channel with horizontal bus bar. π
hushed basalt
Induce AC current and convert it to a voltage signal?
So my guess any appropriate clamp would work as long as the software is offset correctly
tidal bronze
Yes. That's the plan.
hushed basalt
I'd check with your local electrical supplier
Sounds like you want something name brand
tidal bronze
That gap is only 12mm, between bus bar standoff and panel, so my choices are very limited.
tidal bronze
Yep.
tidal bronze
Lol
jagged mantle
Our old school computers running windows 7 had some crappy webroot antivirus that was just shit so i booted into safeboot and uninstalled the bastard
hushed basalt
@clear ferry i have a smart Power meter
But it's all locked away
I want access to that rs232 port
clear ferry
We have HAN ports readily available @hushed basalt
jagged mantle
i tried installing windows 10 on it by bypassing a bunch of stuff in like grade 4 or 5 but it ended up bricking the machine so they had to reinstall it because we apperently had some software not compatible with win 10
tidal bronze
@clear ferry port is there but how are you accessing it what data is readily available ?
tidal bronze
I understand but what are you getting out from it ? π
clear ferry
Reading current power usage, and can correlate automations to turn off or on stuff based on power price 
tidal bronze
Already integrated or not is my question
jagged mantle
atx, do you know if its the same in sweden?
jagged mantle
i dont think we got a smart meter tho, i think its really old
jagged mantle
ill take a look at it when i come home, my grandad works for the electric company supplying us so maybe he can check on it
clear ferry
Every house in Norway is upgraded to a smart meter
tidal bronze
Smart for the utility company not for the user π
jagged mantle
dosnt the new smart meters count the power in a different way?
i remember something about it with induction current and some other stuff but i might also be extremly wrong
tidal bronze
Everything smart about the meter is to accurately measure use, so yes great for the utility.
clear ferry
YoY I notice no difference in price
Because if i was late in reporting in winter I would pay more, and if I was late in reporting in summer I would pay less etc
And I don't have electric vehicles, so no extra power usage for me to monitor except the usual suspects
tidal bronze
We had/have meter readers
jagged mantle
i dont think we need to send in any numbers tho
scenic radish
I should see if a port is freely available on mine. Of course, I'd need to find which one is mine among the 11 others 
clear ferry
I use the average of 30-40k kWh per year here
clear ferry
Last year was mild so we only used 32k , the year before was cold,but we were one person less in the house, and we still used 36k
jagged mantle
i live in the south of sweden so that might be the reason
clear ferry
In Northern Norway they probably use 40-50k per year
tidal bronze
Heating is natural gas in cali, too cheap any day π
clear ferry
Gas 
jagged mantle
we have heating from power here
tidal bronze
yep dryer, stove, furnace etc all gas
clear ferry
90% of heat is from the heat pump, then additional heating from wood and electricity as needed
jagged mantle
dosnt any gas explosions happen?
clear ferry
0.005% of houses in Norway are gas probably
tidal bronze
Hmmm never heard of any, only issue in LA earthquakes but all houses have vibration disconnects from underground.
hushed basalt
@clear ferry power vendor here is mandanted by law to do whatever they want
Because they're a government owned corporation with monopoly
tidal bronze
I guess it's somewhat a monopoly everywhere, here it's city owned and water and power both
clear ferry
Private companies here, regulated by state
signal lantern
@clear ferry power vendor here is mandanted by law to do whatever they want
@hushed basalt Thats a nice way to put it haha
"Mandated to do whatever you want" Now thats a position id like to be in
hushed basalt
Can't give people access to their data
Too valuable of a commodity
And almost all Australians have no concept of data value
tidal bronze
I think here they are regretting smart meters now, weed growers are popping up everywhere and they are bypassing meters. Now they wish they had the meter reading staff to check seals. π
hushed basalt
Free resources is for big corps! Not individuals :D
signal lantern
There are still seals on the smart meters right? π
hushed basalt
Our meters have optical ports
People still have to go up to them and put a probe on them
clear ferry
Bypassing meters, they used to do that here in the 80s
tidal bronze
Yes but if a reader does not go on site visits how to check if seal is broken. π @signal lantern
signal lantern
true true
hushed basalt
Do they have meters on the street transformers
tidal bronze
Nopes
signal lantern
Meet @tidal bronze , professional grower
tidal bronze
Not yet although looking into some property up north.
hushed basalt
The trick is to steal from a neighbour
signal lantern
lmao
jagged mantle
@tidal bronze i dont understand what the difference with smartmeeters would do with that
tidal bronze
professional growers == cutting edge LED tech, π
signal lantern
idk if cutting edge led tech would be efficient for growing tbh
tidal bronze
LED's, huge market here for growers. unless you have adjustable roof lighting
@jagged mantle nothing smart about the smart meter if you parallel the street disconnect
signal lantern
Okay now its getting suspicious π
jagged mantle
but in that you said earlier what would the smart meeters make a difference
tidal bronze
Cousin works on IOT for the power grid here so get to know all the crazy things people do @signal lantern
signal lantern
Where is "here"?
tidal bronze
LA
signal lantern
Okay cool
I personally know a 86 year old who got charged for growing and distributing
tidal bronze
Breaking the supply side seal is aroun $12000 fine
signal lantern
She was growing for her ill husband
jagged mantle
that wasnt a small fine....
tidal bronze
We can grow 6 plants per household legally.
jagged mantle
in sweden you can probably place a nice flower in the window π
jagged mantle
apparently we got a smart meter with a optical serial interface with an known protocoll for it
and we got little wired device which we can view the power usage on inside using the optical interface, should i go for trying to mod the external device which is even made by a different company than the meter itself or should i try to use the optical interface myself? im going to move this to #diy-archived after this
scenic radish
damn boi
clear ferry
My calender is now full until the 21st of February, feels nice
scenic radish
damn boi
scenic radish
lol
also calendar being full for the long sounds awful, what are you talking about
scenic radish
oh gotcha
clear ferry
Last year my calendar was full mostly 4-6 weeks ahead
scenic radish
i thought you meant your personal calendar
scenic radish
clear ferry
clear ferry
rain swift
end the drug war, it's just another control mechanism. I would never ask the governments permission to grow pot, or pay taxes on it, to hell with someone telling me I can't grow a plant and put it into my body.
the people of the world accept ever increasing tyranny and limts on their freedom and give the excuse that it's the price of living in a society.
no, it's tyrants wanting to control every part of your life and bleed you dry to fill their pockets while they hang out on pedo islands.
scenic radish
no politics pls. probably should have been mentioned last time this came up
rain swift
so the lounge has rules lmao
ah I see
lol
no religion either, it's like the christmas dinner table
hearty turtle
hello there. Anyone is using smartthings.
For some reason, I can't hook HassIo to smarthing,.. I have followed the instruction...
clear ferry
Then your should head over to #330944238910963714 for some help and share logs
wet pilot
@rain swift more of a "polite company" thing
wet pilot
hence the quotes
clear ferry
strange vapor
wet pilot
lol might want to edit that
strange vapor
Oops!!
clear ferry
Dang drunk Irish prolly
strange vapor
Remembering why I hate Macbook Pro keyboards :/
clear ferry
MacBook π€’
steel urchin
@strange vapor good list, except metaprogramming should be banned
strange vapor
@steel urchin The example given is Makefiles, which I would argue more people should use!
clear ferry
π€’
steel urchin
hey, some people don't like learning new things that advance technology sectors, that's ok
that's why we still have COBOL devs out there π
strange vapor
@clear ferry You're way too fond of that emoticon!
strange vapor
@steel urchin I run across more projects using make than cmake, mainly as Makefiles are damn handy for quick build scripts.
I still have a default Makefile for my latex docs π
If you want real fun, find your local friendly FreeBSD dev, and tell them make is dead!
clear ferry
steel urchin
well when you work on real products, cmake is a blessing
steel urchin
yeah plugging wires into a switch isn't a product
strange vapor
@steel urchin Deploy fairly large complex systems on a day to day basis, and the vast major of our Jenkins builds are templated so that they just use make.
steel urchin
building the entire enclosure and the SOCs, is
strange vapor
And by large systems, I mean supporting hundreds of thousands of users world wide...
steel urchin
nice
i've been designing SOCs for mellanox and the likes for a while for "cloud" systems... we're close to 18 billion users
concurrent users
strange vapor
cmake is used all over the place as well, but in general, it's more likely to be a Makefile in the repo.
steel urchin
and users = devices, not necessarily actual users.. lots with ML being done in the field to auto provision networks
strange vapor
Or, a damn gradle file.
steel urchin
cmake is often used to make both... it's great for cross compiling
anywho, i was mostly joking about the make is dead... as long as something has value, it'll exist
strange vapor
Thankfully we're generally deploying to a single systems type, so don't need the added fun for cmake π
I'll probably go into work tomorrow and find some team demanding we need to move to ARM or something now, but meh!!!
steel urchin
ah, we deploy to over 15,000 different permutations of hardware
and upwards of 1MM units in a day
2 weeks ago we deployed 450k servers to Apple... their employees are all idiots so we had to actually send 3 of our guys over to do what 22 of theirs couldn't
i'm glad to not be that guy doing all the travel anymore... it's so stressful
and also, fuck apple π
clear ferry
How do you have time to be here?
steel urchin
well i'm technically on sabbatical
but, i have employees
when you help run a company that easily does billions in a month, you can't just easily walk away π¦
strange vapor
@steel urchin I've lost track of the amount of times I've seen large scale deploys slowed down by technical inertia, ie We've always deployed in this way and this fashion, not going to change!! Even if it doesn't scale anymore :/
steel urchin
plus if we sell, then i can retire for good π so I don't want to fully leave
well the funny part is how they operate.. i can't really say much, but they don't do much themselves
strange vapor
hmm, wonder if they're something like a broadcaster I used to deal with... Run a large DC full of proxys (varnish) and outsource all the various sites and subsites to the cheapest bidder? π
steel urchin
hahaa, that's more common than you'd think... especially for non-tech companies that rely heavily on tech.... for some reason they don't see the need to have employees managing their IP
(Intellectual Property)
yet they'll have an executive assistant on staff for a CEO that's never in the office π
steel urchin
Strong Bad lol... haven't heard of that in forever
clear ferry
We've discussed strong bad atleast five times the last month
steel urchin
if i miss something, i miss it... i don't scroll back to read everything
you all meme too much π hard to keep up if i gotta roll back so often
strange vapor
@clear ferry Muttering to yourself doesn't count...
clear ferry
steel urchin
soooo... where's the generic "i just want to blabber about HA" channel? #330944238910963714 says it's for installing HASSio, #672217570283094017 says it's for installing venv/docker setup.... the old #330944238910963714 was good for just general discussion about HA
steel urchin
lol
clear ferry
Even.... More channels?
Then I want my Teddi channel
And one for discussing cmake Vs make
rain swift
nerds.
clear ferry
I want a travel channel too, so we can discuss travel
@rain swift is not invited π
Until he starts traveling
π
scenic radish
@last dirge saving that for later lol
strange vapor
@clear ferry What about a weather channel to find out when it's not snowing in Norway?
static plinth
lounge
yea?
@tidal bronze they love the smart meters because they can be used to suppress solar owners (unlike the old meters). And cheaper to read although somehow fixed fees are going up (grumbles).
@jagged mantle aeotec zwave plus meters are cheap
tidal bronze
Fixed fees are up through the roof.
steel urchin
So is Tesla!
scenic radish
insert "too damn high" meme here
alright. anyone have a recommendation on a 15.6" windows 10 (inb4 π€’) laptop with a full HD IPS display?
preferably $500 or less
WSL sounds interesting and I think would suit my use case well
wet pilot
that price is limiting...
scenic radish
that's fine. i don't need a high-end processor or GPU
also i could entertain a higher price. just wanted to see if anyone happened to have recommendations around that price point
steel urchin
wsl is ok if you don't mind keeping wsl and windows 100% separate
if you expect them to mix, then you're gonna have a bad time
ie, you won't be using vscode on windows to edit files in WSL, and WSL won't be reading a file on your desktop
scenic radish
yeah that's ok. if i understand correctly it appears you can install packages for whatever linux distro you choose and run them as though you were on a native linux system?
steel urchin
it is native linux, and it's been a whlie since i messed with it, but i don't believe you can use ANY linux distro you want
i think by default it ships with ubuntu
scenic radish
right, you can choose a few
midnight adder
you can kinda mix them thou
scenic radish
i'd go with debian
fallow galleon
used thonkpad
midnight adder
install gentoo
scenic radish
pad
steel urchin
Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
OpenSUSE Leap 15
OpenSUSE Leap 42
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 15
Kali Linux
Debian GNU/Linux
Fedora Remix for WSL
Pengwin
Pengwin Enterprise
Alpine WSL
those are the available distros for WSL
scenic radish
yup
rain swift
Yeah I'm only a server need, you guys are on another level of nerd, I'm still moderately cool.
steel urchin
personally, if i'm going to run linux, i'd rather it be in a VM or on the rails
scenic radish
well my chromebook has a debian VM built in which has been useful
midnight adder
@scenic radish you can access windows file system with wsl, in case you didn't know
orchid rose
Tediore, with that budget you should probably look for a used laptop unless you care about battery life
midnight adder
whats wrong with 500 budget?
scenic radish
@midnight adder thanks, good to know. i thought that might have been the case from what i read about it
i thought max $500 was a reasonable ask, although i did forget to mention that i don't need a high end processor or GPU in the original message
like... an i3 is fine lol
orchid rose
Nothing wrong with it, but you'll have to make compromises in that price range
scenic radish
or AMD equivalent
midnight adder
accessing the files on your windows filesystem is slower, but it only matter when you're doing something that needs a lot of small read and write calls
orchid rose
not sure you'll even get a i3 for that π
I got a Pentium on mine lol and it was like 450β¬
scenic radish
hmm. been a while since i bought a windows laptop, maybe i'm out of touch with the current market
midnight adder
think ryzen is more popular in the cheap spectrum than intel
scenic radish
there's this but i have no clue what the full retail price is: https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z
midnight adder
@scenic radish I bought nice windows laptop with a decent screen for under that price. I only need windows for very specific cases, I'd say the BIGGEST problem is finding a laptop with a decent trackpad when you go with the cheaper range. It is really annoying problem.
I've used chromebooks fair bit, they are so cheap but feel so much more high quality build for the cheapness.. especially the trackpad
scenic radish
I will say I'm impressed with my $400 Chromebook. Full HD IPS touchscreen, very nice touchpad, nice backlit keyboard
Good build quality
Limited OS...
The Debian VM was a selling point
midnight adder
yeah, chromebooks are fantastic. the only problem is google's botnet of course...
midnight adder
crouton gives you more power over your machine if that is what you need of course
orchid rose
I got myself a Acer Swift 1 a little over a year ago after looking at some options. It's only 14" though
orchid rose
I agree but Ted was looking for 15.6?
orchid rose
yeah it's very light, screen is decent and battery lasts for 10 hours which were the main points for me. But it's extremely slow and has no ram
and can't be upgraded either
scenic radish
Oh I forgot to mention my Chromebook is 15.6" and has a numeric keypad which I can't live without
orchid rose
oof, that'll limit your options
scenic radish
Most 15.6" laptops have a numeric keypad
From what I've seen
Otherwise you have a huge gap on the sides
orchid rose
oh sorry you didn't mean numpad?
midnight adder
everythings soldered and then superglued on top of that together yes lol
orchid rose
or wait do 15.6 ones have a numpad usually? None of the 14" I looked for didn't
orchid rose
yeah if you input a lot of numbers, then go for one with that
scenic radish
Less common on 14", if it really even exists
clear ferry
clear ferry
I just had two people walk, stand and walk down twice on my stairs, and doods just goes you have footprints in the snow you miscreant
scenic radish
Wut
orchid rose
The Acer Aspire 5 does look pretty good for your requirements. The cheapest models are about ~500β¬ in Europe
clear ferry
I can count on a single hand the times my Chromebook hasn't sufficed the last 6 months
orchid rose
there's also a ASUS VivoBook 15 for about the same price with similar specs but lower weight
steel urchin
always feel bad when an appliance tech comes over and it's a 70+yo man
scenic radish
Actually this is tempting: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XPLHL3K/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_ngCoEbFZAW4F9
clear ferry
Are you running IBM mainframes still?
orchid rose
4GB of ram could be a bit limiting
clever mortar
640 KB is enough for everybody...
orchid rose
you can get a win10 license for like 10$
clever mortar
Windows 10S... for when you're tired of the nightmare that is Windows 10
scenic radish
And yeah 4GB ram...
rain swift
I'm looking for a good machine to use as a small VM host, to run maybe 6 VMs tops, at least 3 of them linux. But it needs to have more than one ethernet port, at least 3.
clever mortar
Rack mount HPe server π
wet pilot
6 vms especially with 3 of them windows can be pretty heavy depending on what you are doing
scenic radish
Tbh I'm thinking of getting another rpi 4 to use as a desktop lol
And keep my Chromebook instead of selling it
clever mortar
Six Pi4s you say...
scenic radish
clever mortar
Because
scenic radish
Why would I need 50? Because reasons
sacred knot
be happy with your 35 pi4s
clever mortar
For 6 VMs and multiple network interfaces, you're beyond NUC, you're looking at something with PCIe expansion so you can add another card, and multiple hard disks (to spread the I/O load), and 32GB+ RAM (since you said at least three Linux which hints the rest will be Windows)
scenic radish
Maybe the rest will be osx
wet pilot
1T ram then
scenic radish
Windows 3.1
scenic radish
Brb gonna spin up a windows 3.1 VM
wet pilot
its definitely possible, just tricky
clever mortar
Eh, if it was easy none of us would be using forbidden topic π
scenic radish
clever mortar
It makes good black pudding
clear ferry
waiting to get ripped a new one by a proud scot
clever mortar
Eh, I'm pretty sure my ancestry has many European nations in it
Good chunk of Scandinavian bloodlines I'd expect
clear ferry
NΓΈrwΓ«giΓ₯ns surely never married and lived happily with any Brits and is the primary heritage of Englishman for sure π€·
You just got hit by ancestry dot com
clever mortar
That's likely a little close to the be civil line... but then we're talking nation vs nation, and that's rarely civil π
I know that large parts of my ancestry are from the less than good side of the line
I think the polite version is brigands
clear ferry
Better? π
clever mortar
π€£
orchid rose
do norwegians like danes btw?
clear ferry
No
clever mortar
They don't taste good roasted?
clear ferry
All Scandia people hate each other
low harness
yep
orchid rose
Sad
clear ferry
Finns hate everyone just a little more
low harness
But like brothers. Don't you dare talk bad about my DanskjΓ€vel!
clear ferry
Svenskefaen jeg elsker deg
orchid rose
the retarded brother that is impossible to comprehend
orchid rose
I've seen this somewhere
orchid rose
oh right one guy I played with took his nickname from that. Syggelekokle!
clear ferry
All Danish guys I ever played online with had DK at the end of their nick
FamousloverDK
StabbingrogueDK
Jonas24DK
Nicks exaggerated, but you get the gist
orchid rose
yeah I've seen quite a few of those for some reason too
clear ferry
And I have never talked to a Danish who I couldn't hear was Danish π
Swedes can fool me
Danish never
orchid rose
We'll you tend to know immediately when it's a Swede or a Finn as well
clear ferry
Nor Finns for that matter 
light trout
finns are easy, if he/she is drunk, it's probably a finn
orchid rose
not sure about norwegians, I've only ever talked with two and I thought they were the same person π€
swedes can't pronounce the english J. That's a dead giveaway
low harness
or z
glass glade
I have a thought....
can i make my 3 dimmable lightbulbs work together as 1 unit?
1 yes by make a light group. but then all three bulbs will be 10% when brightness is set to about 26. whitch would be 30 % of my lightpower.
I would like to have 1 bulb lighten up at a time so that the second light would start lighten up at 34%
orchid rose
offtopic, but that's not how it's supposed to work. Light group should make every light in that group in to the set brightness level/color
scenic radish
FORBIDDEN TOPIC
clear ferry
@orchid rose finns can't do the English C in my experience
glass glade
hmmm sorry mee ???
clear ferry
They just say GRAZY
light trout
.topic @glass glade
velvet horizonBOT
orchid rose
We got rid of silly letters like g c d and so on and replaced them with k s and t instead. Superior simplified alphabet.
clear ferry
orchid rose
also no q w Γ₯ z x b in Finnish
clever mortar
#integrations-archived @glass glade
glass glade
ahhh ... please enlight me where would this fit I loocked under support, couldΒ΄nt fant a good spot, installation, naaaa . maybe zigbee but again...
clever mortar
glass glade
ok thanks
orchid rose
all the useful ones!
clear ferry
Damn Finnish people
They would always hang up if they got overflowed to other Scandinavian countries in the call center
Even if they had waited for 2 hours
Ai amm nott spikking svenska
orchid rose
would you talk to the Finnish call center 
orchid rose
gigatavu
clear ferry
Only thing that kept me sane while troubleshooting a Finnish windows server
As the icons in the control panel
orchid rose
Aren't most words very similar to the English ones? Some are directly translated to Finnish though
glass glade
ok another thing.... I hope on topic....
I totaly love all you guys and girls...
IΒ΄ve been using HA for 14 months now and have about 40 sonoff T1,T2 10-15 sonoff basics a bunch of S20 and S26 built 4 Quinled _quads, 2 home made motor locks , 1 spa controler to replace the burnt out original balboa one...
and all just works
ALL Becaus of you
Thanks
orchid rose
Related to HA so still off-topic π
glass glade
Related to HA so still off-topic π
@orchid rose Sorry .... I will probably do it again... π BUT not on purpuse
scenic radish
But you're welcome
orchid rose
TSLA +23.8%
clear ferry
Stock market 
steel urchin
and a last second push it seems
static plinth
so im gonna go with a Pi4 and USB thumb drive as a starting point probably this Vilros starter kit https://www.amazon.com/Vilros-Raspberry-Basic-Cooled-Case/dp/B07TKFKKMP?
goal is a cheap starting point to delay a mini pc upgrade for a larger build down the road
hmmm doesnt include SD card very tricky
hearty depot
then start with a 3 π
static plinth
I would except Im building these for others, and the feedback has been that starting with a 3 comes across as me being too cheap
but some have been reporting increased performance with the pi4 and eventually the usb boot issue will be resolved...
static plinth
i want to be in that lounge
honest geode
Nothing like tripping balls and watching the music video for Pink Floyd - Shine On You Crazy Diamond 
forest edge
wait @static plinth your building something for others and like charging them or something?
static plinth
yea
please dont stone me
to be fair, i just sold the first one today
thats what I am selling
using HA to play with electricity
micro HDMI? boo
worn jasper
LOL i remember why i never redo windows on my laptop what a pain in the butt to get everything back on haha
midnight adder
after more than a year I finally found the yeelight I lost when I moved to this apartment
for some reason it was in my box of c64 stuff
last dirge
@static plinth you a solar dealer or something?
static plinth
nah small beans installer
home assistant >> solar, im trying to do less stuff on the roof
but there are problems in solar that can be solved with energy automations that can be done with home assistant
last dirge
ah
forest edge
if all your logging is energy for the majority then sdcards should hold up (provided you get a decent brand) for about year/year and half(more or less). usb thumb drives won't yield any better reliability or longevity. Personally I would advise against an active cooling case for such a device on the grounds that it won't need it (unless you plan to put this sucker where ambient temps can reach above 80F).
Pi's are pretty robust more so than most give them credit for but they can fail and that's usually due to user error more than hardware for the simple fact that someone doesn't think ahead. I would still use an rpi3B over an rpi4 in your case regardless what anyone thought for many reasons but that's just me.
static plinth
I hear you. Added cost, Aeotec zstick isn't compatible other USB 3.0 issues, the mini-HDMI, USB boot issue.... at any rate this next one is going on a Pi4. I want the user to treat it as more than a data logger so I want to give them some processing head room without knowing much about it.
forest edge
well no idea wtf your doing with it but yea there would be a difference between this being a more specific use case vs something that will be used more broadly.
static plinth
you definitely have the best way identified I think, using the Rpi3 if it does the job
I'm selling the concept that home assistant can actively reduce (some) electric bills to generate a decent economic payback. Most I've talked to want their money back in a year.
but i dont know that many people
forest edge
so basically your trying an experiment on 1(few) people and seeing how it goes?
with any of the rpi3's you could even go this route for longevity https://ameridroid.com/products/emmc-adapter https://store.pine64.org/?product=32gb-emmc that will replace the traditional sdcard while giving you the reliability of an actual ssd/hdd ect. as far as I know that's supported as far down as the rpi2 but the rpi4 does not support that
hard to get cheaper than a pi solution, I don't care what anyone says lol
green inlet
So......J-Lo or Shakira?
static plinth
that is a great suggestion sonomaGTS
i gotta go with J-Lo
I guess 35 really is old
forest edge
old?
strange vapor
@static plinth Nah!! Only getting started!!!
static plinth
I mean its okay to judge a superbowl act like that on sexiness right? Or is that sexist?
green inlet
Really?
green inlet
Men have been looking at women since the beginning of time
And have a preference
And I think J-Lo or Shakira says something about your preference
static plinth
so any other preferences out there?
forest edge
I stopped watching it cause it was literally the worst half time show I ever seen
static plinth
lol well I liked it when Beyonce ran around with mirrors. It was good enough for John Wick.
strange vapor
From a country that plays Rugby, as well GAA, so American Hand Oval seems a bit, em, meh!
Any warddrobe malfunctions this year?
forest edge
no
forest edge
whoa new discord update changed some stuff
steel urchin
got rid of the landing page that showed game news
forest edge
think they messed up lol
ocean mirage
discord had game news?
forest edge
HA lost it's boost banner
ocean mirage
seems to be called a server everywhere I see it referenced
steel urchin
that's just how it's kinda gone, but it's official term is "guild", as is how it's called in the APIs
steel urchin
if you click the discord icon in the top left, you'd see them.. only really shows on launch of the app, and almost never again
ocean mirage
I only do that when seeking DMs so I probably just glazed over them
steel urchin
yeah, where it says "friends" and "nitro" it would say activity feed and library
clear turtle
Used the game launcher for a bit when they first introduced it
But it was riddled with bugs so I gave up on it
steel urchin
it's funny, discord was exactly what it set out to be, all the way to a streaming and game distro platform... and then the community said "get rid of that shit, we don't want it" and they back tracked pretty hard
ocean mirage
surely that shit didnt get in the way if you didnt want to use it
steel urchin
it hit the chat/role/voice so well that people didn't want any of the rest
ocean mirage
discord streaming still marches forward, its a bit iffy though
steel urchin
yeah... i was playing some Party Hard the other day on it... i don't like it as much as streaming via OBS
can't do overlays or devices, so no camera, no graphics
forest edge
that new, new bar thing isn't going away in this channel lol
oh it did when i sent a new message lol
ocean mirage
Yeah its not intended to replace twitch from what I can tell, different goals
I would never stream on twitch, but I have streamed on discord for friends
steel urchin
i don't understand it, and i stream regularly on Mixer
ocean mirage
im not even sure what that is
steel urchin
it's now owned my microsoft, but it's a Twitch competitor
ocean mirage
ahh
discord is just lets show a game to a community I am part of, maybe VC with them too
steel urchin
some 16yo kids came up with it, created the FTL protocol, and a few years later MS bought it and they made a shit ton
steel urchin
damnit, all my windows are themed very closely and i keep tabbing to the wrong one π€£
forest edge
I don't think discord ever intended it's stream thing to be a competitor for like twitch
it's more for friends to quickly just stream crap to one another
it's nice int hat regard but no audio i think
steel urchin
nah, no one was implying that, just saying I personally don't get it
you have to be in a voice channel to stream, and it picks up the game audio as well
forest edge
it's great if your showing someone how to do something on the deskstop or whatever
cause it's fast and painless
steel urchin
they already had private calls with screen sharing
i guess if you wanted to show a group that is added with streaming, but just seems like a weird use-case over something like google hangouts or skype
forest edge
well not if you don't have or use either of those
I dropped using skype the day discord came out
ocean mirage
being a voice channel with game audio works quite well in my experience
my use case is mainly on a gaming related discord where we are all friendly and enjoy watching each other play games but we are far from being twitch streamers
so you start a stream, people come and chat
see a game
forest edge
suprised they haven't made a server wide streaming option
ocean mirage
like cross-server?
forest edge
you'd think that be something they could do
steel urchin
what games do you play Whiskerz?
forest edge
like if someone was to stream in HA here everyone could see it if they wanted without needing to be added to a group or anything
ocean mirage
Uhhh all sorts of games I guess. Most recently I streamed quake, but been playing a bit of dirt rally 2.0 too
steel urchin
I got a review key for Party Hard 2 after talking to the devs, been actually really enjoying it
dreamy rock
hello everyone
ocean mirage
Sonoma: I think the point is to be community tied though, and then you would have randoms in your voice channels lol
wet pilot
It was conciously disabled
steel urchin
did you try the RTX quake?
ocean mirage
I played the first Party Hard, it was cool enough but I didnt have patience
wet pilot
There was a voice chan but it got killed in the reorg
ocean mirage
Nah I dont have an RTX card
floral skiff
anyone up for helping me solve a mystery? My echo dots are detecting emulated_hue devices even when the hass server is turned off. That is, I can delete everything out of alexa and run a search, and it will show up the 40 or so devices that were set up through emulated_hue. I know they're coming from emulated_hue because they are coming up as 'Royal Philips Electronics smart device's
ocean mirage
I am not really fussed on graphics much anyway, to a point
velvet horizonBOT
floral skiff
fair nuff
ocean mirage
So you review games Codex?
dreamy rock
Hello all, I'm new on this channel. So I will properly introduce myself. My name is Jimmy (jimz011). I am a hardcore/die hard HA user/fan whatever... Some of you might know me from the community forums or my project (I am pretty active there). Anyways nice to meet you all. I hope I can learn more by joining this group and maybe help out some people in the mean time.
steel urchin
well... no.. i stream for fun
i somehow fell into it while doing some compute vision stuff for a previous company
forest edge
is it me or is the font slightly smaller on desktop?
ocean mirage
I believe so
steel urchin
it was super sporadic, but now that i'm on sabbatical i figured "why not, i'm doing nothing else"... started having fun with it... i just do whatever... games, program, woodworking... things have slowed during this move and whatnot, but we've got a fun lil community goign
you can CTRL+/- it if you wanted
forest edge
weird they had to change the font they used
ocean mirage
And you mainly stream on twitch or the other one?
steel urchin
CST (GMT -6)
steel urchin
lol
ocean mirage
Oh jackbox games are fun
steel urchin
that's a fun one if you have people watching
ocean mirage
I like the idea of not giving twitch a monopoly on streaming
do people stream to both twitch and mixer at once?
dreamy rock
Well, I actually streamed on mixer until they have removed native streaming from windows 10
I still don't understand why they have done that
forest edge
you got youtube and now I guess justin.tv is making a come back or something. twitch is hardly been a monopoly
steel urchin
so wifey is watching the halftime show... and can i just say JLo still got it
forest edge
jlo would make your eye bleed without being "made up"
https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/indiana-jones-face-melt-gif-6.gif
steel urchin
there's never been native in anything, it's a proprietary protocol that MS just bought not too long ago
ocean mirage
don't be fooled by the rocks that shes got
steel urchin
lol did you watch the show?
ocean mirage
nope
steel urchin
i mean... i'm surprised this is allowed on TV lol
good thing i don't believe in censorship π€£
steel urchin
lots of teetotalers were complaining
ocean mirage
Alcohol advertising?
steel urchin
ahh, colloquialisms lol... here we kinda use that for anyone that's boring
ocean mirage
Oh, thats me
steel urchin
lol
ocean mirage
hah
I've mostly heard the same from those who are commenting on it
I dont mind, im used to it already
forest edge
I don't like how they changed the formating of the messages and the edit thing is kind of annoying
ocean mirage
edit thing?
steel urchin
what edit thing?
forest edge
yea when you highlight a message it pops up the options
steel urchin
formtating of changes?
forest edge
it use to go right over the message you wanted to edit, now it pops up above it
the font and spacing and everything is diffrent @steel urchin
steel urchin
i actually like that better.. it now has a background
ocean mirage
ohh I see
I prefer how its done now cause the highlighting means I know which message I am actually reacting to, editing, deleting etc
I am not the best and lining things up horizontally by eye
forest edge
16px is too small for the font they used and 18 is too big lol
too bad they didn't offer a legacy mode lol
ocean mirage
cant select 17?
forest edge
nope it jumps from 16 to 18 lol
steel urchin
ctrl +
ocean mirage
thats silly
steel urchin
i'm sure it'll get resolved, they're a pretty good company... i've spoken with the devs quite a bit over the recent years
ocean mirage
Do skype and teamspeak even set out to do the same thing as discord
chat servers with many channels/roles/permissions etc
velvet horizonBOT
ocean mirage
I don't think anyone has confused them
forest edge
|| @scenic radish NO ||
steel urchin
F
velvet horizonBOT
steel urchin
got 'eem!
hushed basalt
Whaat
scenic radish
random socket
Hey just joined. Biggest server i've seen so far
random socket
i've noticed that on bigger servers too
this is pretty niche
compared to a server like homelab, which is relatively broad
forest edge
I wouldn't go that far but yes they need to revert
scenic radish
Yeah lots of UI changes lately...
Light mode used to be nice on mobile until the last update
midnight adder
why on earth they do it at the time when quite a lot of projects started to migrate to discord? in order to scare them away so it's only for shitposting?
scenic radish
Inb4 π€’
midnight adder
why it tries to force me to emoji every single comment?
ocean mirage
it doesn't
midnight adder
what good does it bring to the table for anyone
ocean mirage
speed dial emojis
midnight adder
speed dial toilet pot
ocean mirage
Now @clear ferry can react π€’ even quicker
I actually have 0 complaints about the new update, and I like two things about it
im not sure I see enough of a difference to be annoyed by it but idk
random socket
what a lot of people hated (myself included) was changing the default spacing to something tighter. you can increase it back up
the emoji feature - i like it but wished you could choose what showed (or choose to show nothing)
forest edge
i will say emojis look smaller so tediore has less of an impact lol
hushed basalt
πΆ
ocean mirage
I dont think emojis are smaller? idk
scenic radish
Feel the anger
random socket
emoji size hasnt changed i believe
ocean mirage
but I agree that choosing your three emojis would be great
forest edge
looks smaller to me
random socket
check your appearance settings
nothing annoys me more than my defaults being changed against my will
hushed basalt
π©
forest edge
talking about react emoji's not just emojis lol
ocean mirage
I dont normally look at emojis much
this server has some of the worse about lol
lmao
midnight adder
lol is that for fork
well whatever, guess I shitpost everywhere then, this is what I do anyway
hushed basalt
midnight adder
HEAVY
midnight adder
they need to add fucking GIF reaction there too
make it so it covers the whole chatting text that is the least important
steel urchin
type /giphy
wet pilot
β¬ββ¬ γ( γ-γγ)
forest edge
lol trump cannot take his eyes off the prompter
scenic radish
why tf am i having trouble accessing things over nginx when they work fine over LAN? i'm obviously doing something wrong but i can't figure it out
forbidden topic access works fine, everything else doesn't
portainer and cloud9 UIs both load but i can't actually do anything
forest edge
sounds like a #672217570283094017 issue
steel urchin
@scenic radish have you checked the network tab in chrome?
see where the req's are going
forest edge
I swear trump intentionally pauses every 3 seconds of talking just to make everyone stand up lol
scenic radish
checking there. see it's weird, everything it says it failed to access i can access by pasting the URL in the address bar, and it loads
flat needle
Damn, my HA isn't booting. I don't have any way to hook up a monitor to the rpi, and I can't ssh over to it. What else can I do to debug it?
I guess I can put the sd card into another system and see what's there
forest edge
@flat needle #330944238910963714
flat needle
Hah, sure enough
forest edge
@scenic radish maybe the experts over at #672217570283094017 can lend an idea. π‘
scenic radish
turns out it was P E B K A C
i have some things protected by cloudflare auth and i had the access duration set to expire immediately
so whenever i'd go to open a file, the access token had already expired
forest edge
sound like a #pebkac issue
steel urchin
Lol if that was a channel, you guys would send everyone there
forest edge
anyone else watching this union circus show?
storm summit
@forest edge thanks for reminding me. turned it on.
looks like its over.
whats with his hair. hah.
forest edge
i've had to pause it from having to get up so i'm still behind live
storm summit
hah. EVREY channel has it on.
I want to see what the camera is not showing in the audience.
this need a fact checking ticker.
that was a waste
forest edge
it was a circus lol
storm summit
Trump has trained us to not believe anything he says. Sad.
forest edge
whoa image the soccer mom that drives this! https://youtu.be/bPGjGu_XF3M
hushed basalt
π€’
forest edge
oh sorry does this do you au guys more for soccer moms lol https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Beater_Nissan.jpg
ocean mirage
i mean
it is literally less disgusting to look at
that lambo looks like some gamer kid designed it
hushed basalt
Bring back the station wagons
clear ferry
I vote to change from .yaml to .yall
forest edge
you missed the voting time frame, your vote dosen't count
clear ferry
velvet horizonBOT
forest edge
shorts weather
hushed basalt
I haven't eaten today :/
hushed basalt
Had maccas last night haha
clear ferry
Macca paccas?
hushed basalt
Murrrica in a bun
https://media.tenor.com/images/908861a49de1db18bf910dc6f8608e02/tenor.gif
https://media.tenor.com/images/b7e57017ae2cd388e1630c4ff4d69176/tenor.gif
https://media.tenor.com/images/b5888c9336c2e95f07d6df4903971952/tenor.gif
clear ferry
hushed basalt
Is everyone asleep
clever mortar
Yes
clever mortar
Well, I'm drinking coffee despairing at humanity
hushed basalt
You'll need a lot of coffee
clever mortar
Nah, after a while the world blurs and I can't see the stupid any more
I can still hear it though...
jagged mantle
It would be bad if i were sleeping as it is almost noon here
@static plinth I probably want to try modding the existing meter instead as we dont have a zwave network at home and those meters you said were quite expensive
urban steppe
Bring back the station wagons
@hushed basalt Hell yeah! I'd give up a kidney for this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cz6CMkSXgAQ6jfn?format=jpg&name=medium
Volvo 850 T5R in dead yellow π
shame theyre getting quite rare now
scenic radish
I'm sleeping
clear ferry
My daughter has a fever, so I'm working from home and keeping her happy 
The 850 is butt ugly @urban steppe and that colour made it worse π
clever mortar
Ugly, but faster than a Porsche of the same era...
clear ferry
Depends on the Porsche, and so were many other cars π
rain swift
I vote talking about how stupid everyone is on earth and how crappy the world is gets included in politics. π
clear ferry
rain swift
dun dun duuunnnnnn
clever mortar
If we did that, we'd have (a) nothing to talk about or (b) to remove many posters
rain swift
Lucky for you the twitter puritans/outrage crown haven't made it here yet lol.
everything would be racist, and we'd all be bigots, or something.
boreal pewter
I vote for B, regarding my expierence it is much easier to shutdown truth and remain quiet
warm mountain
Hey guys
for some reason, I am associated with this github project, which I have never worked with, at all
clever mortar
Which?
Home Assistant has a stack of projects
Also, what do you mean by associated with
warm mountain
they're asking me to sign some CLA for home-assistant/cli
warm mountain
I seriously doubt it
clever mortar
DM me your email address and I'll pass it on to somebody who can investigate
trail crag
