i've tried a table before, i know it doesn't work 😛
#the-water-cooler
humble pond
Blessed be thy overlords
velvet horizonBOT
Yes, bow to me, peons.
scenic radish
- bash: slap: command not found
clear ferry
Fricking software people
humble pond
bash =/= software people
scenic radish
sudo kill atxbyea
scenic radish
it was sudo effective!
clear ferry
scenic radish
humble pond
scenic radish
Fuckin gottem
clear ferry
green inlet
Lmao....I need to try that with my wife
scenic radish
No you don't
humble pond
Bad call there bud.
clear ferry
wet pilot
Negative Ghost Rider, the pattern is full
green inlet
Sudo get me a beer
humble pond
Notice the unisex stick figure in the comic.
green inlet
I have an awesome wife
wet pilot
blink twice if you're being forced to say that
humble pond
Can confirm
wet pilot
she got to both of you!
clear ferry
humble pond
Nah, I don’t know him...
clear ferry
To Georgia?
humble pond
...
wet pilot
eh, i wouldn't move further south
clear ferry
Yellowknife you say?
wet pilot
isn't that in Canada?
clear ferry
Aye
wet pilot
like far north canada? XD
clear ferry
I lolled irl at that @scenic radish
green inlet
You don’t like Carolina ?
wet pilot
i'm ok with it
clear ferry
Yaaaaaas
green inlet
Lmao. Cheer wine
humble pond
That’s from Salisbury 😉
scenic radish
🥩
clear ferry
If I get the job I'm doing practice for here now I will probably move North back home, and work from home, but if I want to do that is another question
green inlet
🇺🇸
clear ferry
🇳🇴
humble pond
@wet pilot - sounds like you need to re-watch Team America: World Police
green inlet
Merica
clear ferry
If I move North I will have 4 extra bedrooms and an indoor pool @scenic radish 
clear ferry
green inlet
Sounds like a personal problem
scenic radish
@humble pond that's one of those movies that's so stupid it's funny
green inlet
Indoor pool is kinda oxymoron
scenic radish
you're a
{% set word = 'oxymoron' %}
{{ word[3:] }}
Bone apple teeth
scenic radish
lol
clear ferry
tidal bronze
Gotta love LA traffic
humble pond
Gah, when is Elon ever going to do something with all that money he got selling flamethrowers?
😏
clear ferry
Norway out here funding the whole damn electric car industry
humble pond
Apparently not. I guess that’s why he named it the Boring Company.
valid halo
Wheezes
humble pond
Yeah. Dad pun. Say something...
green inlet
I feel for you having to deal with LA traffic. I used to live in San Diego. People on the east coast complain about Atlanta traffic. You can sit for days in California traffic.
valid halo
I hear that food trucks sell food and drinks in Cali Traffic
green inlet
Worst feeling ever is hitting an on ramp and then slowing to 0
humble pond
Yeah, but then this happens in Atlanta with a foot of snow.
green inlet
With no way out
scenic radish
Elongated Muskrat
clear ferry
Foot of snow
last dirge
@humble pond I believe you mean inch
green inlet
Snow-magedeon
clear ferry
Let me introduce you to 12 feet
last dirge
@green inlet pretty much nowhere in the US is equipped to deal with that shit though
well, AFTER it's happened
green inlet
An inch of snow?
last dirge
an inch of snow on top of an inch and a half of craze ice
forest edge
black ice?
green inlet
I lived in Atlanta in 2014 and that video is so funny because of how accurate it is
last dirge
then we had a temp bump which melted everything and a front blew in
valid halo
I remember that a mayor was praised for foresight for having snow plows only plow the major high way
clear ferry
you mean like every other second day in norway @last dirge ? 🤣
last dirge
I was working smack dab in the middle of downtown
as soon as it started snowing I noped the fuck out on the subway
valid halo
Atlanta doesn't have the cash or money to have tons of snow infrastructure for the 1 day a year it snows.
last dirge
then drove like 4MPH home from the station
green inlet
Did you get stuck?
last dirge
no
I live in Norcross
I rode the train to Doraville
then creeped my ass home up Buford Hwy
@clear ferry can you see the northern lights where you live?
clear ferry
where I'm born yes
green inlet
I know hind sight is 20/20 but the weather channel, which is in Atlanta, was telling people for like 5-7 days that snow-magedeon was coming
last dirge
does it make noise?
forest edge
noise?
clear ferry
It's sun hitting the magnetic field afaik
forest edge
i've never heard of the northren lights ever making any human hearable nopise
clear ferry
forest edge
imagine if it's was a high pitch whine noise lol
clear ferry
I haven't been north in the winter for..... 13 years
humble pond
Can’t blame you
last dirge
@forest edge I figured it may make noise like hydro lines do
humble pond
Nope, but your phone mic can pick up an RSA key from the noise a CPU makes, so maybe that could work to listen in.
last dirge
sounds like this with a radio microphone https://youtu.be/Zcef943eoiQ?t=84
is there a way to make YouTube fill up the window it's in without filling the screen?
last dirge
I'd imagine they record when there are auroras and without
clear ferry
Everybody should travel to Northern Norway 
hushed basalt
Don't listen, it's a trap
Reverse psychology
Northern Norway is actually a hidden civilisation with it's own warm sunny microclimate
They just pretend it's frigid and remote to keep us away
@forest edge scientists in that field should have no problem identifying the source of any signals
It's like a basic expectation. Like how your mechanic should be able to identify a car from a motorcycle
forest edge
yea I don't think it's quite that simple when your pointing a microphone towards space lol
last dirge
"yeah, it's definitely that thing right there" - guy with radio telescope
hushed basalt
There's probably a 1000 methods they can use to determine origin
Especially when it's so close and space is so so so far away
last dirge
I bet it really fucks with all RF transmissions
forest edge
@last dirge I doubt it, atx amongst others who live close that have made several mentions of running rf devices for ha
last dirge
there's absolutely no way that it doesn't
forest edge
if it really messed with things, you'd think they would have pinpointed the issue and stopped using rf lol
last dirge
it might not mess with short-range stuff but it's gotta hammer cell and radio stuff
wet pilot
coins in the phone receiver?
last dirge
I vote gaydar
clear ferry
@last dirge do you know any pawn shops or smaller shops that sell used music gear ?
last dirge
I said you're more likely to find guns and electronics
clear ferry
I thought that was someone else 🤣
I remember now
with the pew pew electronics
🤠
If I try to talk with what I consider a southern accent I just realize I sound like Dr Phil
last dirge
hahaha
hushed basalt
Electromagnetic spectrum is complicated
The sun is the most powerful local electromagnetic source and we still function
forest edge
clear ferry
it's raining cats and dogs here in alpharetta
last dirge
@clear ferry it's bullshit
clear ferry
so I'm glad I got in when I did 🤣
when I can see the water running downhill from 60 meters away, it's raining pretty good 🤣
last dirge
were you here yet when it rained for 3 days a while ago?
last dirge
nah, it was the start of last week
it rained about as hard as it is right now for a whole day
then about half this hard for another 2 days
my dogs were pissed
clear ferry
I love this, this is 90% of all the stuff I have to fix
last dirge
+1
last dirge
then the obligatory "don't comment just to say +1"
wet pilot
eh, not as much of that at least
wet pilot
lol
forest edge
she should sang till thier jaws dropped then dropped the mic and walked off stage lol
last dirge
yeah
it's crazy
they have one at the Zoo and I was trying to figure out what the hell was making the drum noise
last dirge
it's got a pitch bend thing going on
scenic radish
I am indeed
tough igloo
Parupuppupum 🥁
last dirge
whatchoo know about those tribal drums?
clear ferry
BLESS THE RAINS DOWN IN AFRICA
clear ferry
actual video of australian people trying to use the internet
last dirge
that's hilarious to me
clear ferry
I need didgeridialup in my life
last dirge
I had a mind explosion when I found out how they were made
hushed basalt
last dirge
will this make me angry?
scenic radish
So apparently my Chromebook supports installing legacy firmware which enables me to dual-boot ChromeOS and Linux without fucking around with the system too much
So I did it
🎉
clear ferry
that looks like live video from tinkerers house though
forest edge
@hushed basalt funny how close they get isn't it?
the hair dryer part pulling power from any location on any wall sounds like a dangerous addition but you know..
clear ferry
I never saw the need for that @scenic radish I can get all I need so far from the linux terminal, except the passthrough of USB devices for flashing firmware 🤔
hushed basalt
It's pretty close though
Haven't got windows that can turn into walls or tvs though
wet pilot
they've been showing that off for a few years now
forest edge
yea
hushed basalt
No one wants a clear screen though
wet pilot
would be useful for autonomous cars
wet pilot
yup
could see it being useful for aircraft HUDs
could probably get creative with architecture
forest edge
huds would be perfect
forest edge
lol
wet pilot
i made the mistake of putting my wife on speakerphone once with the baby near by
clear ferry
is that a mistake ? 🤔
wet pilot
she lost her mind
clear ferry
lol
the baby doesn't care much if we aren't there, as long as the other one is there
clear ferry
mines mine that for as long as she could move 🤣
wet pilot
15mo and already throwing herself to the ground during tantrums
forest edge
why would you subject your kids to this lmao https://youtu.be/4Rl-NofKJ9A
clear ferry
no tantrums here, but she gives talk-back if we try to tell her not to do anything, then still does it 🤣
wet pilot
has managed to hurt herself during that maneuver a few times but still does it anyway
clear ferry
there is no out of sight out of mind in this baby, if I hid something when she was 6 months she would search for it like a trufflehunting pig
wet pilot
oh yeah, pulls that too.
forest edge
@scenic radish still got that best buy smart plug thing you were havving issues with?
scenic radish
@forest edge I do indeed
forest edge
apparently that whole reboot lockdown thing was pretty common amongst many devices but it gives you a 2 second window to use a kill command via a uart to bypass that to access to reflash or whatever you want lol
kill -9 $(ps | grep 'reboot' |sed -r -e 's/^ ([0-9]+) [0-9+/\1/') within that 2 second window and your in lol
clear ferry
I'm in
forest edge
your done after 2 seconds? 😜
scenic radish
Ooooh interesting
forest edge
reading this bit about these college kids who hacked like 150 devices using the tx/rx on the boards cause the software engineers for the firmware on the devvices simply just didn't care about trying to make it hard lol
clear ferry
🤢
forest edge
I didn't even know there were android refridgerators made back in the 2013/2014
clear ferry
Oh, we've had them over here I think for atleast that long atleast smart ones in total from Samsung
But I don't know a single person that has one
forest edge
thing had wifi and a sdcard slot
thats pretty good for that age
was like android 2.3 lol
forest edge
don't think manufactures cared, plus 2.3 was probably easier to work with
scenic radish
where did you hear that about the best buy plug?
clear ferry
2 lived long past its due date
forest edge
it wasn't about the plug specifically it was part of the blip these college kids were talking about when mentioning the 150 devices they hacked
but that whole reboot bit was common practice these manifactures put in place to try and keep people from hacking them
when it couldn't make a connection
and i remembered you had said something about that
@clear ferry noway, i love upgrading old devices
I found a guide that talks about adding a esp8266 to a non-smart tv that has hdmi cec and using that to give it local network control of the tv lol
forest edge
yea and if it was a smart tv with say a usb port that accepted media
you could network drive it lol
scenic radish
Also I found a way to basically use a flippy boi on my Philips hue bridge
There's no way to customize what a button press on one of the switches does when it's before/after sunset with the hue app or third party apps, but you can set up a rule on the bridge to flip a boolean at sunrise/sunset and use the state of that boolean with the switch rules
So I have an "automation* on the bridge to flip that bool at the appropriate times
forest edge
I wonder if someone came out with a firmware for the hue bridge itself
scenic radish
There's a working method to get root but not sure if there's custom firmware
Don't think you can do much with root on the bridge other than see that sweet sweet ASCII art
And brag about it I guess lol
forest edge
half the devices these kids hooked a uart to spat back a complete listing of all the current available commands they could issue through the uart to control the various devices. and half of those devices the manufactures had claimed they cut off all uart access lol
scenic radish
Fuckin liars
There's a listening telnet port on my security system gateway. ncrack ran for 2 hours (50000 attempts) with no luck
forest edge
I found a youtube of the same kids I think. https://youtu.be/h5PRvBpLuJs
scenic radish
Which is good but also disappointing
forest edge
I was reading an articlke, this has pictures lol
scenic radish
I was saying the manufacturers are liars
For saying they disabled uart
Not the kids
Though... Kids are liars sometimes
forest edge
yea I know, this was 2014 so shit these days i would think would be diffrent. check 7:20 in the video
they show a wemo but the article i was reading said just about all the devices were same that was like that
but it shows that command lol
have fun with that 2 seconds. uarts are cheap worth trying lol
scenic radish
I could give it a shot haha
Oh gosh, greenwave...
Shite
I'm saving this video to watch later
forest edge
lol there is alot of crap in there
wet pilot
saver
scenic radish
It's almost 0100 so... Bedtime
forest edge
those older zigbee devices able to be hacked would be worth something lol
forest edge
is mommy gonna tuck \you in?
wet pilot
6.5 here
scenic radish
I'll grab a Bang on the way to work
wet pilot
9a meeting but wfh 😄
scenic radish
@forest edge can u?
forest edge
sure thing but i have gas tonight
scenic radish
pls
scenic radish
Lol
Actually...one last question. What do your significant others think about talking to internet peoples on this app all the time?
wet pilot
depends on her mood
forest edge
? it's 2020
scenic radish
I refer to you guys as my "internet friends" lol
forest edge
now if this was 1996ish then it would be weird
scenic radish
Wtf. You're right. Why does that feel weird
wet pilot
"Home automation? 🤨 "
is her typical remark
forest edge
yea mine always thought i was weird 😐
so much time on quake and ut99
and yahoo chatrooms lol
even watched the planes crash into the trade center while on the pc next to the tv
wet pilot
uhoh TInkerer is awake. I know i'm up too late now
scenic radish
Yup
Hi @clever mortar. You being up now means @wet pilot and I are up way too late
wet pilot
either way 😛
scenic radish
🤔 hmm. Good point night
clever mortar
As long as you don't need to get up for work in about 4 hours...
scenic radish
Ehh 6 for me
wet pilot
eh, 6ish
scenic radish
But that's what Bang is for
scenic radish
20 min commute. Can't complain
wet pilot
5 if i wanna sound bad
clever mortar
WFH has serious advantages
wet pilot
yep, go downstairs, wake up my computer, dial in and then go make coffee
clever mortar
I enjoy those days. I can get more done too, due to a relative lack of interruptions
wet pilot
its chilly right now, so i'll throw on some sweats
scenic radish
Good night all. Everyone, pls check out my new bot command in #botspam , much appreciated
Very important addition
forest edge
lol input_bool really lol
low harness
I'm in the middle of transfering from nginx to traefik.
Currenly running traefik behind nginx for practice. Just learned that doesn't work well with ssl.
dusky plank
i also have one machine still running traefik behind nginx because I haven't figured out all the host rules yet
rose flare
hi
i search the .well-known directory in home assistant ( hassio installation (vhd on synology VM ))
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
Questions relating to Home Assistant are off topic in this channel
Please ask in #330944238910963714
rose flare
sorry, my bad english
strange vapor
@low harness It annoys me that Traefik calls itself an "Edge Router". Mainly as I'm still working a lot with network folk, and that term is getting overloaded!
hushed basalt
I guess technically it's a thing that sits on the edge and routes things
strange vapor
clear ferry
strange vapor
This is nuts! https://publicbydefault.fyi/
clear ferry
How far stupid are some people?
@strange vapor public transfers, that's pretty strange
valid halo
People can be very trusting
my grandmother nearly got scammed by someone claiming I'd been in a car accident in las vegas and needed itunes gift cards
thankfully the clerk at the store was like "ma'am your son is fine. Someones tryin' to scam you."
clear ferry
clever mortar
I've known apparently intelligent people who've been caught in confidence scams
Somebody who fell for the we've got some spare material left from a resurfacing job line to fork over a few thousand pounds to have the work driveway and path "resurfaced". A quick slapping of some tarmac and a few K later, they have an unsafe and unsightly driveway and path, and are wondering if they'll be fired when the boss gets back
(They didn't, but they did have to pay it all back)
clear ferry
clever mortar
Yup, people are idiots overly trusting
It couldn't possibly happen to them, after all
🙄
On the bright side, stupidity pays the bills
clear ferry
I don't trust anybody I'm not in family or work relations with, and even then I don't trust them blindly
But that is just my personality
clever mortar
Trust but verify
valid halo
My mom seems to be learning to do that.
clear ferry
Exactly
clever mortar
There's pretty much nobody I'll trust blindly. I will trust people that have demonstrated themselves to be trustworthy, in the absence of any evidence or suggestion that they're wrong/confused/lying
valid halo
She got a call from the "IRS" and asked me about it and I told her "Don't they send letters and not phone calls?"
clever mortar
Well, yeah, clients lie
clear ferry
They lie constantly
clever mortar
Usually about what they know 😛
valid halo
I need to work on my own honesty
I have a tendency to want to say yes/say what I think someone wants to hear."
clever mortar
I work with folks like that, who default to yes even when the answer is clearly no
That is frustrating as hell, because that makes things worse
Best thing to do is to be honest, but you don't have to make it seem like you're an idiot at the same time 😉
I still often end up saying things like I didn't understand that or nope, not a clue
Sometimes, with the right folks, it's some version of I understood all those words, but not how you used them 😄
clear ferry
I had a colleague who said yes to anything
Like troubleshooting huge SANs
And that never ended well
I ended up ignoring him when he asked for help
clever mortar
Wonder if I met that colleague... 🤔
clear ferry
And he quit in the end because he got no jobs done
He's German/Nørwëgiån
So you'd know
clever mortar
I tried to forget them
undone pagoda
Has anyone used OpenFLIXR? (https://www.openflixr.com/)
clever mortar
I had the "pleasure" of them (whoever they were) trying to troubleshoot SAN issues, and it became clear they didn't know what they were doing. It's a bad sign when I know more about the hardware and protocols for something I have only a few days of experience of...
clear ferry
Can't see that it gives me anything I don't already have @undone pagoda
clever mortar
ended up dropping the session with them and fixing it myself...
clear ferry
@clever mortar then it's time to tell them to leave
valid halo
as I am loathe of the idea of overstating what I can do
but once i'm on the job it's when I have the problem of wanting to say yes to my boss/coworkers.
clever mortar
I wrote a detailed and to the point email to the relevant folks, pointing out their delusions of adequacy @clear ferry
clear ferry
Delusions of adequacy, sounds like a nice prog rock band name 
valid halo
That is a good name
clever mortar
I'll say yes if I reasonably believe I can do something, even if I've never done it before. I do have a slightly extensive set of experiences allowing me to find hats to pull rabbits out of though 😄
valid halo
Dunning-Krueger doesn't roll of the tongue as well
I've been told often that I need to work on my confidence.
clever mortar
It's hard, and the difference between confidence and arrogance often gets overlooked by those who're lacking the skills to back their mouth
“You have imposter syndrome,” He says, “but paradoxically, that’s often a sign of competence. Only people who understand their work well enough to be intimidated by it can be terrified by their own ignorance. It’s the opposite of Dunning-Kruger syndrome, where the miserably incompetent think they’re on top of the job because they don’t understand it.”
― Charles Stross, The Labyrinth Index
last dirge
yeah
valid halo
Well thank you for the kind words
last dirge
I've got that something fierce
and then I look at stuff done by others who are supposedly my same level
then it kinda goes away
clever mortar
I've had the pleasure and challenge of working with people who're great, in their field. I look at what they do, and I'm blown away. Not often enough does it really sink in that they look at me the same way...
tidal bronze
Interesting.....
clever mortar
I've worked with a few folks who'd I'd classify as scary smart - the kinds of folks who you know could be running a country from behind the scenes, if they wanted to
Thankfully, only enough of those to make me feel like I'm not really smart enough 😛
clever mortar
👍
scenic radish
😒
clever mortar
Actually, we're all canines...
scenic radish
everyone on discord is a bot except you
clever mortar
including you 😉
scenic radish
oh shit
last dirge
knock knock, Neo
hushed basalt
Plus got them to start using some saas's
rain swift
I have no issue telling my boss I have no idea what I am doing with something.
hushed basalt
Gotta embrace those sweet sweet SaaS
rain swift
I'd rather set correct expectations than end up in a dumpster fire getting all stressed out.
rain swift
anyone hear those commercials on the radio talking about how all home automation relies on good internet?
I cringe and want to punch a baby.
clever mortar
Never done that before, but I can probably work it out
scenic radish
@rain swift i sometimes fear my manager gets annoyed because i ask so many questions but it's for a similar reason
also no, i haven't heard ads like that but i would also cringe
clever mortar
The question I try to teach folks to ask is ... what's the goal?
rain swift
I'd rather ask questions than break something, I hate being the one who broke something, I hate being the center of negative attention.
clever mortar
I've broken many things
scenic radish
i hate being the center of attention period lol
clever mortar
Some of them being not insignificant
scenic radish
except here where i can post as many images as i want
clever mortar
After the first time you get dragged over the coals, the following times seem less painful
rain swift
I've broken stuff, but I try hard not to
clever mortar
Eh, sometimes you have to break things to learn
valid halo
I managed over five months to not get my coworker to ask my boss to fire me
so that's nice
scenic radish
ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
valid halo
Though he did tell me once "The bar is at the floor Doc. Try not to trip over it"
clever mortar
That's why I know Linux still functions with a load average of about 5 to 10 times the number of cores...
hushed basalt
I think I'm going to get myself kicked from the Traefik slack
I don't take kindly to people who belittle people who don't know what they know
Except for atxbyea, belittling him is a community past time
tidal bronze
Guess @clear ferry is finally doing some actual work. Not here the last 10 minutes.
hushed basalt
Must be busy trying to navigate the support lines IVR
Please listen... Closely.... As our menu....options... Have...... Change...d
strange vapor
HP hardware never works... Job security for @clear ferry !!
clever mortar
Better than some, which work long enough to lull you into a false sense of security 😉
clear ferry
Thank goodness I work with HPE hardware :p
hushed basalt
Just when you think you have a stable base to build other things ontop of
A jolly Norwegian plays around in your DC and it all goes to hell
strange vapor
@clear ferry Ye really need to get better at deciding what your called.. Looking at the output of dmidecode here, and for the same model of server ordered at the same time, I'm seeing HP, HPE and Hewlett Packard as the Manufacturer!
Sort of disappointed that there's no mention of Compaq!
clever mortar
not Dell
clear ferry
Or Digital ?
scenic radish
brown 🤢
cheese 🤢
clear ferry
Or you could do the rebranded Chinese ones that are H3C
scenic radish
the letter b 🤢
strange vapor
One of the lads here got an Ebay Special Cisco switch from China. Definitely legiit Cisco hardware, but the firmare had been updated to report all ports as OK.
hushed basalt
Steven Wardley thinks that serverless will take over everything shortly and half of those functions will be written by AI
strange vapor
In this case, it was reporting 48 ports ok in a 24 port switch....
hushed basalt
I'm sceptical
clear ferry
@strange vapor 🤣
clear ferry
sounds like regular cisco firmware
last dirge
worse, I've heard
strange vapor
Haven't had to deal with them directly in years, but not hearing anything good from people who are dealing with them.
hushed basalt
It felt like an overly cryptic system, kept cryptic to enable gatekeeping and sell certification
last dirge
even their SOHO-level stuff was like that
hushed basalt
And had a "reputation" of complex but rock solid enterprise reliability, but didn't stand up to scrutiny
clear ferry
well... we rolled in some switches for a customer a few years back, we rolled in 128 10G ports and 256 1G ports plus 20 40G ports for the same price as a single 32port 10G module on a cisco switch
so it must be nice to have money to spend
last dirge
I worked at a place that bought a Cisco router with WAP
strange vapor
I know they made some change recently which broke auto provisioning here. Lots of less than happy people in the row behind me.
last dirge
and it took me like 4 days to figure out how to set it up
hushed basalt
I feel like it's all stuff that should just be simply defined in a one page yaml document
But it feels like you're learning assembly
In french
scenic radish
roses are red
violets are blue
you hate YAML
it hates you too
hushed basalt
Yaml is life
last dirge
terminal/SSH for those that want to use it
hushed basalt
I'll cut you @scenic radish
strange vapor
@hushed basalt In the network world it's all Yang, which can be XML or JSON
hushed basalt
....json
hushed basalt
Let's use javascript object notation to write configuration
last dirge
I like JSON
strange vapor
All the manufacturers seem to read the specs differently, so there's a whole ecosystem of vendors doing the magic to generate cross platform Yang!
hushed basalt
Because something made to parse objects into strings to pass between services is the best configuration syntax
Yaml is json
It's just readble and writable
last dirge
as is JSON if you pretty-print it
hushed basalt
Ehhhh
scenic radish
in fact, YAML is a superset of JSON
strange vapor
I visited an ISP recently where everything was managed with a few expect scripts which had been written over the course of 10 years...
They literally ssh'd, or in one cases telnetted, into the devices and lets the expect script do it's thing!
hushed basalt
Vanilla json has no advantage over yaml for configuration
It just has a lot of redundant brackets and trailing comma gotchas. And I find it a lot easier to mess up scope
I'm looking at you vscode
@strange vapor nothing like "it works for us"
Ask blockbuster how "it works for us" went
scenic radish
i despise writing JSON
strange vapor
@hushed basalt I tend to write small python scripts to generate the JSON as there's less likely to be silly errors
hushed basalt
strange vapor
And debugging syntax errors in a python script is easier than debugging bloody json\
hushed basalt
Could you write in yaml then parse up to json?
But yeah python definitely works too
Beautiful beautiful trailing commas
Time for sleep
Groceries come 5-9am tomorrow
And it's 10.37
See I used exact minutes this time, for the pedantic ones :D
last dirge
python and yaml both have the stupid arcane reliance on whitespace formatting
hushed basalt
I can't say I've ever had a whitespace problem in 2 years of dealing with python or yaml
last dirge
you're a damn liar
hushed basalt
I've definitely had problems of bracket scoping in JS and json
And any readable code will be indented exactly like python would anyways
And god damn trailing commas
Computers should work for us not the other way around
scenic radish
Yeah I'd rather deal with indentation than braces or commas
hushed basalt
And semicolons
So redundant
Everyone always puts a carriage return after every semicolon
scenic radish
So many quotes for key value pairs...
last dirge
@hushed basalt but not every carriage return is the end of a statement so...
hushed basalt
It is in Python :D
last dirge
no it's not
hushed basalt
Well you can break things over multiple lines like arguments
scenic radish
🤏
last dirge
go look at the code for FORBIDDEN_TOPIC
scenic radish
heh
hushed basalt
88 characters is good
last dirge
and don't even get me started on the stupidity of "indentation matters unless you do this and then it all gets reset"
88 characters is bullshit
nobody's developing on an AMIGA
hushed basalt
Python has an annoying convention of 4 spaces too
But 88 seems okay,
Especially when you have three files open side by side
scenic radish
So I'd just like to say after using Python/jinja2 I now have to really think about what I'm doing in Excel formulas
Especially MID() because Excel is 1 indexed 😒
hushed basalt
Hehe
rain swift
I really hate how AWS doesn't give you a remote desktop console for windows boxes.
what the hell amazon.
scenic radish
And comparison operators are different
hushed basalt
Microsoft is doing some amazing stuff
last dirge
@scenic radish everything in java is zero-indexed
hushed basalt
But screw having to rdp into a server
scenic radish
!= in Python is <> in excel
scenic radish
Ugh
rain swift
i mean, they don't do for linux either
so you can't see if its booting or what the hell its doing
I mean a remote console
scenic radish
And why is the first line in code line 1 and not line 0 HMMMMMMMMMMM?
rain swift
what kinda vm infrastructure doesn't give you a remote console
is my box stuck updating? stuck on some error? who knows.
its about as shitty as their roku app lol
scenic radish
Speaking of which, I have a spare Roku ultra that it currently unused, what should I do with it
scenic radish
It's a prototype I got for free in a beta test so I can't sell it
hushed basalt
Buy A tv for it
scenic radish
Display cameras?
scenic radish
Sold
hushed basalt
But it's really just a Jamie Oliver YouTube playlist on repeat
rain swift
can't sell it? will it phone home and taddle on you?
hushed basalt
I miss Jamie Oliver stuff when he wasn't a mega celebrity
tidal bronze
@clear ferry so what did you end up having last night ?
scenic radish
i'll just see if i can root the roku ultra and install FORBIDDEN TOPIC on it
tidal bronze
Never used Roku, gotta try it out one day.
last dirge
it's meh
scenic radish
i thought it was decent
last dirge
my Shield TV kicks the shit out of any of the rokus I've had
scenic radish
but i also got it for free so there's a little bias lol
tidal bronze
Shield here as well
tidal bronze
Nice.
scenic radish
n 🧊 !
tidal bronze
Had Brazilian with Balloob & dshokouhi. HA night in LA
last dirge
@clear ferry if you're going to do a table service restaurant tonight you should definitely do opentable
clear ferry
Oooh, I've never had brazilian
last dirge
the man himself!
tidal bronze
Yep. Last time was wings and beer this time was better.
last dirge
@clear ferry there are a lot of gaucho style restaurants in Atlanta
did he wear his fancy bath robe?
clear ferry
I'm going to be honest with you, downtown atlanta was just depressing
I walked around for a few hours, but it wasn't very nice
tidal bronze
@last dirge no lol
clear ferry
probably yes, I have no idea about the names of the areas
last dirge
where were you?
clear ferry
but 20 minutes in each direction from world of coke
last dirge
you went TO something obviously
scenic radish
i should really put together a chicago home assistant meetup
last dirge
yeah, that area's kind of shitty
clear ferry
but you are the only one who has a home in chicago teddi
tidal bronze
Sad we dont have many in LA must put something together.
scenic radish
your message looks funny after mine brian lol
last dirge
ha
@clear ferry you should go to The Vortex in little 5 points and walk around in that area
or you could go to The Flatiron in East Atlanta and walk around in that area
clear ferry
I probably have free time this weekend
scenic radish
no you won't
last dirge
or The EARL in east Atlanta
scenic radish
you'll be eating all the cherry things
clear ferry
I should just rent a 🚙 or a 🏎️ and drive to teddi for some 🍒
tidal bronze
Transit in ATL a lot but never spent time. One of these days.
clear ferry
It's a nice airport, quite busy they say
tidal bronze
Hate it
last dirge
the busiest
tidal bronze
Always damn delays and changes
clear ferry
If you ever fly via europe, don't do layovers at charles de gaulle
it's the shittiest airport in the world
clear ferry
GET OUT OF MY HEAD CHARLES
last dirge
@tidal bronze I think FLL is my least favorite airport
tidal bronze
I love CDG smoking areas all over. Can be shitty all day
clear ferry
I quit smoking 13 years ago, so I don't care about that feature 🤣
tidal bronze
That's the first thing I look for.
clear ferry
I think helsinki also has indoor smoking
last dirge
@tidal bronze you're gonna hate next time through Atlanta then
no mas fumar
no more cancer rooms
strange vapor
Was in Vegas recently. Was strange seeing indoor smoking.
clear ferry
Need to bring the wife and kid to reykjavik when she gets older
supposedly very nice
and soothing
tidal bronze
Best place by far. Specially if you do the entire island driving. Worked there a lot.
clear ferry
I would imagine, it's very much used for filming locations
just don't put your money in their banks
tidal bronze
Yep
clear ferry
did you eat the fermented shark fin ?
tidal bronze
Specially black sands. Yes. Like everything except the damn cranberry sauce on meat.
clear ferry
🤣
valid halo
Iceland is nice place
clear ferry
come over to norway and I'll get the wife to serve moose or raindeer
tidal bronze
Next year should be heading that way.
scenic radish
norwat
scenic radish
heh
those are illegal, at least in the US
doesn't prevent manufacturers from including them though
clear ferry
last dirge
what about moose and squirrel?
tidal bronze
@strange vapor yep Vegas smoking areas are nice as well 😀 outdoor inside terminal
clear ferry
we don't eat squirrel, that is for yokles
valid halo
OH man I remember a Joystick reviewer did a 10 minute video on those stickers
"These sticks are just a big FUCK YOU from the manufacturer."
scenic radish
pretty much
so @clear ferry galliumOS is butt-ugly and there's no support for the touchscreen or even the numeric keypad on my chromebook so i went back to straight chromeOS lol
clear ferry
ayyyyye
scenic radish
it was cool trying out the dual boot though
although the OS VERIFICATION IS DISABLED screen on boot is annoying
BEEP BEEP
plus i guess the built-in linux support is supposed to get better
last dirge
@scenic radish a youtuber I watch made and sold teflon knives for a while
they remove tamper-evident stickers without any evidence of tampering
scenic radish
oooh that's pretty cool
last dirge
scenic radish
also super unrelated but the cloudflare feature that hides your WAN IP by proxying the domain through them is pretty cool
last dirge
fuck that was almost 5 years ago now
scenic radish
that's cool. i'm guessing the idea is you can remove the sticker and put it back on without showing any wear?
tidal bronze
@clear ferry some of my favs. Place is magical. 😄
tidal bronze
Was not looking for it but was crazy driving 1 North
last dirge
I wanna see the lights!
@scenic radish yeah
most of those tamper evident stickers have text that shows up when you pull them off
tidal bronze
It's amazing.
last dirge
I can't afford it
clear ferry
get a sugarmommy
last dirge
because I'm putting like 45% of my salary into retirement 🙂
like my wife with almost 100K in student loans?
I think 7 more years and that should be erased
as long as the PSLF program doesn't get ratfucked
clear ferry
that whole thing is interesting too, in norway employers put money into our retirement by law, a minimum value, but they can put in more, I think mine puts in double what the minimum is, and I can save on top of that, but even if I don't do that I would still have $80k a year if I retire at 67
tidal bronze
Have you looked into property/rental? @last dirge
last dirge
@tidal bronze I'm an accidental landlord, yo
tidal bronze
There you go
last dirge
bought a house in 05
tidal bronze
Get into few more accidents.
last dirge
in 08 it was worth like 92 grand less than I bought it for
I still can't sell it for what I paid
and I've got something like 30 grand in losses that I can't take advantage of on my taxes
and that number only seems to grow
lemme message you 🙂
tidal bronze
But market should have closed the gap by now ?
last dirge
I'd still have to bring money to the table to close if I sold it
due to my cost basis going down due to depreciation
clear ferry
we are on the uprise in norway still with house prices, when I bought in 08 it was a dip in the marked, so I paid $220k for it, now I could probably get $400k for it on the open marked,
last dirge
the house I live in we bought 7ish years ago
for 252
I could probably sell it for 380
so not bad
tidal bronze
We have around 26% bump in LA market last 8 years
strange vapor
Twitter
last dirge
ha
jaunty summit
You guys played with this at all:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Jetson-Nano-NVIDIA-s-developer-board-and-powerful-Raspberry-Pi-competitor-gets-a-new-version.451193.0.html
boreal pewter
@clear ferry blyat join the Live Stream
last dirge
@jaunty summit it showed up in my google news feed today
steel urchin
Woohoo, another house sold, just need to get this last one on the market and we're golden!
So ready to be done with all this crap
And the doorbell is on the way, expected 4 days early!
wet pilot
selling in the low season? O.o
steel urchin
You do realize markets are different everywhere, right?
They're the highest ever, here
wet pilot
yeah but winters are usually slow/low on average
steel urchin
Not here, or any growing city, really.
clear ferry
@boreal pewter what live stream ?
wet pilot
CLT is kinda messed up right now. low supply all year and none in the winter
realtor friend suggested i wait on the re-fi for a few more months so that the comps can start trending up more in the spring
steel urchin
There's a shortage of housing here, we've gone up over 400% on all our properties, which for the most part is really great. Except this last house has been a money pit.
boreal pewter
@clear ferry it got blocked by one with the ability, good stuff is prohibited here 😛
clever mortar
Maybe if you'd asked first...
boreal pewter
Discord function 😄
clever mortar
Somebody decide to live stream a game they were playing... 🤦
boreal pewter
Tinkerer you didn't mean me, did you? 😄
clever mortar
🤔
boreal pewter
For the asking part
clever mortar
Well, yeah, streaming random non-HA stuff here... asking first would have been smarter 😉
(you'd still have been shut down though 😛 )
boreal pewter
Well, tbh, my game stream would probably be more entertaining in 10 min than the comon use it has in a week? 😄
clear ferry
the american keyboard starts to make more and more sense to me
maybe I should migrate to one at home
boreal pewter
No, don't move on their side!
clear ferry
especially since I write in english 99% of the time
clever mortar
Use the Australian English keyboard, upside down 😉
clear ferry
get away with your QWERTZ @boreal pewter
wet pilot
løl
steel urchin
This Parks and Rec isn't too bad, but the comedy is really hit or miss.
steel urchin
Mmm maybe. This one has more misses than most. You can tell at most times they're trying really hard. But there's some nuggets of gold that catches me off guard
But what do I know, I like bad movies and music
jaunty summit
@last dirge same! i was like 128 cores 🤔 that could be a fast HA
last dirge
@steel urchin favorite The Office prank?
steel urchin
Lol I don't even know right now
I have a bad memory for stuff like that
You're gonna make me rewatch that 🤓
clear ferry
@jaunty summit 128 cores ? those are rookie numbers, gotta up those numbers
jaunty summit
if only that m.2 slot supported a drive
jaunty summit
im pretty satisfied with my m.2 slot:
jaunty summit
yup 4k.
Get-WmiObject -Class Win32_Volume | Select-Object Label, BlockSize | Format-Table -AutoSize
Label BlockSize
GamesVMs 4096
Recovery 4096
OS 4096
1024
last dirge
@jaunty summit what tool are you using to get that?
steel urchin
powershell
clear ferry
I had some issues with a customer expanding a 48TB LUN to 64TB
turns out 4K blocks will only get you to 52TB or something
so had to create a new LUN with 8K blocks and migrate everything to that one
fun times
jaunty summit
well that explains why i had so much loss with my new nas... I lost 17TB to parity and block size... 10TB was for parity...
clear ferry
How many drives ?
jaunty summit
8
clear ferry
and RAID6 ?
jaunty summit
5
clear ferry
that sounds a lot, what capacity ?
jaunty summit
8x wd pro 10TB
clear ferry
that should bring you down to 65TB usable
ish
not sure if I would ever run 8 x 10 TB drives in RAID5 though
jaunty summit
my last synology lasted 7yr zero issues. sold it to a buddy of mine
yeah. it took me 5 days for 17tb
i would have lost my mind for 48
thats with a LAG inplace
clear ferry
it was already a 2PB box that was 88% full, so it took some time to level out
jaunty summit
ouch
clear ferry
but it is fast enough
idle totem
hi
clear ferry
jaunty summit
lo
scenic radish
l
idle totem
i have kind of general questions about using homeassistant with smart plug dimmers
scenic radish
jaunty summit
tediore is like the Sumo wrestler from streetfighter
https://media.giphy.com/media/7ywpENs4MoQko/giphy.gif
clear ferry
🤣
scenic radish
æ
clear ferry
Æ æ Ø ø Å å
scenic radish
Æñüs
last dirge
thousand hand slap
scenic radish
how can she slap?!
forest edge
Linus gonna retire at 30ish lol
wet pilot
need someone to @møds
That'll make it exciting again
forest edge
Tediore, your up. it's your big moment.
clear ferry
@mæds you say ?
scenic radish
don't tempt me
orchid rose
them weird letters, why not just use @måds
I played a bit of Superhot VR. Punched the wall twice trying to hit a bad guy in the face and hit the ceiling lamp trying to catch a gun in the air. I need more room 😢
wet pilot
lol need higher ceilings
my first floor has taller then average ceilings, its kinda nice
forest edge
orchid rose
this pretty much 😄
Thankfully the rift s controllers have the ring pointing backwards, so when that happens only the fist hits the wall and not the controller. Unlike with that poor bastard who broke his 😦
brisk glen
traefik 2.0 makes me want to stab someone
cant get the dam certs to generate on demand
orchid rose
Rift S was the first one I thought was affordable enough at 400€. VR lacks a killer app and overall the content is pretty limited. The tech still has some way to go too for it to be great