the-water-cooler

[steel urchin]

nothing like coming home to a clean house

[forest edge]

here comes the man-apron

[steel urchin]

lol what?

you wear an apron?

[forest edge]

you said you had to clean the house, thought you were getting your maid outfit ready

[steel urchin]

hehe you'd like that

[scenic radish]

pics pls

For... science.

[steel urchin]

nah, it's just somethin we do for each other... when the other is travelling (it's usually me, but not this time) then the other cleans up!

[forest edge]

typical he sits in silence till this

[steel urchin]

lol you don't want to see that, trust me

haha

[scenic radish]

@forest edge I had to stop going on discord so often lmao. Literally addicted

[forest edge]

lol

[steel urchin]

i'm already ready to uninstall this app

damn thing is barking at me every few seconds about motion

[forest edge]

lol

as long as you have the rtsp feed url and login crap written down i would uninstall it lol

[steel urchin]

i just turned it down to lvl 1 (was on 2, 3 is default, 10 is max)

[scenic radish]

@steel urchin Motion detected in living room.

[steel urchin]

and changed the motion scan to literally the tiny area in front of my house

[scenic radish]

What a save!
What a save!
What a save!
Chat disabled for 3 seconds.

[steel urchin]

i like how it lets you do that at least

[forest edge]

wtf

[steel urchin]

see if it knocks down the spam

[forest edge]

90% is cut off from your house?

[steel urchin]

yeah it's like an entry walk way

[forest edge]

thats nuts

[steel urchin]

keeps rain off the door (mostly)

[forest edge]

maybe a vvideo doorbelkl isn't what you need

lol

[steel urchin]

lol i'm not using it for security purposes

[forest edge]

get you something hanging out there on a mount so you can see the rest of your place lol

[steel urchin]

i dont' need security in my area

i could leave my car in the street running with all the doors open until the tank ran dry

there's gates and cameras on every entrance

no one that shouldn't be here, is likely coming in

[forest edge]

so you got it for the mail lady?

she stealing yo shit?

[steel urchin]

not stealing, slamming it down

basically, i gave her some shit at the post office, and now she's being passive aggrssive

[forest edge]

did she ask you out and you told her to kick rocks?

ah

[steel urchin]

no but she is pretty hot actually

i called the postmaster general, it's supposedly handled, but i want to make sure

[forest edge]

lol

well no wonder shes angry with you

probably pees on your door when you aren't home too

[steel urchin]

You're a weird fella 😂

[forest edge]

your the one wanting to video her lol

[scenic radish]

https://media.tenor.com/images/749de16557a3bbc20ec237f441d0c156/tenor.gif

[steel urchin]

You're*

But, I'm not shaming you, do you!

[scenic radish]

https://media.tenor.com/images/64c2ab74adbfabb798cb2f1cc18d0f5f/tenor.gif

[steel urchin]

Anyone seen Medical Police on Netflix yet?

[river rune]

Why did you use 2 different images?

[steel urchin]

It looks so stupid, but the cast looks great

[scenic radish]

Mistake

Can't edit

[river rune]

lol

[scenic radish]

Why's your P dusty?

[river rune]

My last initial

[scenic radish]

Jk

[river rune]

😉

[scenic radish]

Dumb joke 🍆

[forest edge]

||🐡||

[scenic radish]

Will remain unrevealed

[forest edge]

oh hey look the person responsible for us spending money on amazon is in #330944238910963714 lol

[scenic radish]

https://media.tenor.com/images/64c2ab74adbfabb798cb2f1cc18d0f5f/tenor.gif

[steel urchin]

who?

[forest edge]

digiblur, he was the one who made the video

[scenic radish]

the video

[steel urchin]

Lol oh, my bad... I still haven't watched it 🤣

You were my reason to buy it

You're an influence now

[scenic radish]

What video

what did I miss

guys pls

[river rune]

About the doorbell

[scenic radish]

O

Thx

So GitHub finally re-released their Android app. Beta, at least. But...there's no way to view code lol

Not that you'd really want to that much though

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.github.android

[forest edge]

@scenic radish my sonoff bridge is in chicago be a dear and run it down here to me tonight will ya?

[scenic radish]

Ah sure, be right there

🏃‍♂️

[forest edge]

I love how it just appeared in chicago with no delievery date,.,,

[scenic radish]

I took it, thx

[forest edge]

wouldn't work with your flawed zigbee lol

[scenic radish]

https://media.tenor.com/images/86eb7c00905ba5fa58b0e0bc7c7c7486/tenor.gif

[green inlet]

Do you have all these pic links on a notepad doc somewhere that you can copy paste? Are they sorted and labeled? Alphabetized?

[scenic radish]

https://media.tenor.com/images/6bdd650af717980d5d898d4fd0b8ad52/tenor.gif

[hushed basalt]

What's the quickest low effort way to delete all paritions on a computer/laptop

Ubuntu live usb?

[scenic radish]

sudo rm -rf /

Jk

[hushed basalt]

Rufus?

[green inlet]

I wouldn’t do that

[hushed basalt]

Making live usbs is a bit hit and miss I've found in the past

[wet pilot]

live usb is easy

[hushed basalt]

Well my experience has been varied

Experiences aren't universal

[wet pilot]

are you linux already?

[hushed basalt]

I've got linux on my laptop, I'd rather use my windows desktop to make it though

[wet pilot]

and is the intent to destroy the data or do an easy re-image?

[forest edge]

do you lift linux bro?

[hushed basalt]

I just need to turn the hard drive into a blank slate virtually

[scenic radish]

If destroying, DBAN is good

[green inlet]

Would gparted work?

[hushed basalt]

I don't care about full formatting

[wet pilot]

yeah, could just gparted and drop the partitions

[hushed basalt]

I just can't use the recovery usb for this laptop because it's freaking out about disk size

For some reason

[proper swift]

in linux dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1m count=50

[hushed basalt]

I need to boot to something though

[proper swift]

that will zero out the first 50m

[wet pilot]

yep, which will kill the partition table

[steel urchin]

or just use fdisk to wipe the partitiosn?

[wet pilot]

can do that from the system before rebooting it

you can DD from the system you're trying to kill

[steel urchin]

dd will take forever if all you want to do is just wipe the partitions

[wet pilot]

first 50m is all you need

[steel urchin]

true

[proper swift]

50m is pretty quick

[steel urchin]

yeah i missed that part

[proper swift]

if it isn't your drive sux

[wet pilot]

haha

[steel urchin]

but then you also lose GPT/MBR

[wet pilot]

which seems to be the goal

[steel urchin]

sounded like just wiping partitions

[hushed basalt]

I just want the computer to think the drive is blank

[wet pilot]

eh, result would be the same

[steel urchin]

mmm not really.. .now he needs a bootloader

[wet pilot]

kill the partition table and it might as well be blank

[valid halo]

oh Rufus

I got to use that a couple times

[proper swift]

dd will make it think the drive is blank, by actually blanking it

[wet pilot]

if you do the full thing XD

if=/dev/urandom

[proper swift]

nah. nothing will keep reading past 50m

if you want it like.. "don't steal my data blank" then yeah, omit count

[wet pilot]

or dban livecd

[steel urchin]

yeah so..... i can't think of a way to get my HA to work in AND outside of the home with the same domain setup... this blows

[proper swift]

ok.. time to make a !@#$ing DB9 -> DIN8 serial cable.

[steel urchin]

my dnsmasq trick isn't working because ssl fails (as designed)

[hushed basalt]

@steel urchin put it behind your nginx

[steel urchin]

it is behind my nginx

which is why it's failing

[hushed basalt]

Use http for reverse proxy to HA

[wet pilot]

he has his broken nat loopback

been over this 🙂

[hushed basalt]

Mine works fine, I'm using traefik but the theory is the same.

[wet pilot]

can't DNS it?

[hushed basalt]

As long as nginx is on 443 it shouldn't need nat loopback

[steel urchin]

yeah nginx is on 443

[hushed basalt]

Just put the entry in your dnsmasq so your computer will jump directly to your nginx inside your lan

[steel urchin]

i did

ssl fails

[hushed basalt]

Why would it fail

[steel urchin]

it works in the browser, just not the app

because the app doesn't allow invalid-ssl

[hushed basalt]

You can have ssl

The ssl terminates at nginx

[wet pilot]

might need to specify your dns server on your phone

for that network

[steel urchin]

it is defined

[wet pilot]

to your internal?

[steel urchin]

yeah

hang on, lemme check some stuff

[forest edge]

lol codex is back for more punishment lol

[hushed basalt]

If your nginx has working trusted ssl and is on port 433 it should just work

[valid halo]

Hey y'all I had a headache with pictures and wanted to ask y'all a question.

[hushed basalt]

If your phone is using it's own dns regardless of what you specified in your static ip, it won't work

[valid halo]

If you could create a voice assistant that spoke in your own voice would you go for it?

[scenic radish]

Absolutely not

[hushed basalt]

It's a faaakkeee

[valid halo]

🤣

[hushed basalt]

https://media.tenor.com/images/96e2918496b4595ea466036bc046a9de/tenor.gif

[wet pilot]

yeah, i wouldn't

i hate hearing my voice

[steel urchin]

we talked about the DNS stuff when i was trying to help you get yours working on android remember? 🤣

[wet pilot]

i did some radio in college and i had to manipulate the crap out of it for it to not sound like ass to me

[forest edge]

after smashing his 3rd echo, phnx uninstalled the intergration

[hushed basalt]

I remember :D

[wet pilot]

haha

[valid halo]

Well thank you all for participating in my poll

[hushed basalt]

Your SSL shouldn't be failing though

[valid halo]

sends an email to Lord Bezos "It's a no go"

[hushed basalt]

Are you using letsencrypt

[steel urchin]

actually that may not be where it's failing

let's go DM so we're not consuming the channel

[wet pilot]

haha

[hushed basalt]

Shut up Ted

Pre emptive strike

[valid halo]

Ooft

[wet pilot]

typing stops XD

[scenic radish]

So I finally stopped reading NGINX in my head as "en jinx" the other day and now read it properly as "engine x"

[valid halo]

The HA Discord civil war begins in earnest

[scenic radish]

Telco this discord would turn to anarchy if it weren't for me you're a real swell guy, you know that?

[steel urchin]

lol is that a reference to what i said the other day?

[wet pilot]

psh

[hushed basalt]

I read it as en ginx

[wet pilot]

engine x is how it is

[hushed basalt]

But I don't have any real world friends to correct me :'(

[scenic radish]

Well maybe you should stop telling people to shut up

[hushed basalt]

Linux space loves their archaic spellings though

[wet pilot]

though i got caught by a different one we use at work. "Flower" -> Flow-er

[hushed basalt]

Kubectl, no it's pronounced kube control "superior smirk"

[scenic radish]

Oh come on

[wet pilot]

yeah, that was obnoxious

[scenic radish]

I mean, I do read systemctl as "system control"

[wet pilot]

"cuttel" is super dumb and you can't convince me otherwise

control and c-t-l are acceptable

[scenic radish]

Interestingly I started reading /etc as "et see" instead of "et cetera"

[hushed basalt]

I listened to a podcast where the creator of kubectl was a guest

And the host said "kube c t l"

[wet pilot]

there ya go

[scenic radish]

It's like the GIF argument. The creator of that file format literally says it's pronounced Jif

[wet pilot]

the creator is wrong for GIF

[valid halo]

how do I pronounce scrcpy?

[hushed basalt]

And the guy is like " No it's kube control [AUDIBLE SMIRK]"

[steel urchin]

https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/397426163649216512/665807819236311053

[valid halo]

My mouth kind of falls apart when I try

[wet pilot]

scr copy?

[steel urchin]

secure copy?

scp?

[scenic radish]

except that's scp

Yeah

[wet pilot]

screen copy?

i don't know that one

[scenic radish]

Scruple Company?

[hushed basalt]

I pronouce things how they appear to be pronounced

If they're some obnoxious thing that's not on me

[scenic radish]

@steel urchin that's hilarious lmao

[steel urchin]

hey that's neat, imma have to play with that

[scenic radish]

screams internally

[wet pilot]

lol poor dude

[valid halo]

strcpy copies a string; scrcpy copies a screen.```
Copies your Android Screen to your PC so you can control it from your computer.

[scenic radish]

@hushed basalt is that your kitty?

[steel urchin]

wifi = wifey or why fy?

[hushed basalt]

Speaking of obnoxious

[valid halo]

I say Wee Fee

[wet pilot]

oh, i guessed it 😄

[steel urchin]

i fire everyone that calls it wee fee

[scenic radish]

Did you guys know WiFi doesn't actually stand for anything?

[steel urchin]

in front of everyone

[wet pilot]

inter-toobs

[scenic radish]

It's not fucking "wireless fidelity"

[valid halo]

I t hought it stood for Wireless Fidelity or some trash

[scenic radish]

That makes no damn sense

[valid halo]

So it's a meaningless buzzword phrase like WiFi Six

[hushed basalt]

Wi fi

[valid halo]

or 5G

[steel urchin]

it does mean Wireless Fidelity

[valid halo]

or Internet of things

[ocean mirage]

if HiFi stands for High Fibre.....

Wireless Fibre?

[valid halo]

Oh oh

I just found out

[steel urchin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Etymology_and_terminology

[valid halo]

Wi-Fi has no meaning at all

[steel urchin]

originally

but it does now

[valid halo]

it is a pun on Hi-Fi

and to sound catchier than "IEEE 802.11b Direct Sequence"

[steel urchin]

literally the alliance that created it ended up publicizing it themselves as Wireless Fidelity

[ocean mirage]

originally it stood for Wireless Fireless

[scenic radish]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pogue-what-wifi-stands-for-other-wireless-questions-answered/

[steel urchin]

anyway, it's NOT wee fee

just like it's not jif

[ocean mirage]

wei-fei

[valid halo]

wiki says waifai

[ocean mirage]

I pronounce it yif

[valid halo]

Oh look at you mister fancy

[steel urchin]

lol

[wet pilot]

yiffyiff

[valid halo]

I'm glad BlueTooth got a cool name

[wet pilot]

BluTooth

[ocean mirage]

Blut Ooth

[valid halo]

BluToof

[ocean mirage]

named after its creator

[wet pilot]

and a norse rune

[ocean mirage]

no

[scenic radish]

And my axe!

[valid halo]

James Bluetooth the seventh created Bluetooth in his garage with a box of scraps and an ironing board

this is the story I know

[scenic radish]

Lmao @ "wireless fireless"

Obviously the real name

[ocean mirage]

🙂

[scenic radish]

the one true Morty

Also, anyone else confused by this guy's message? Lol
https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/332357267364249621/666806770336923658

[wet pilot]

lol i saw that

[scenic radish]

https://media.tenor.com/images/888ffb1e8af31c49ef39fa3810383fa8/tenor.gif

[ocean mirage]

how is that confusing

straight forward

[scenic radish]

Gotta shoot your shot I guess

[ocean mirage]

He's beautiful

[scenic radish]

https://media.tenor.com/images/69dd9a33c43baffa7d3d34c72a63eb11/tenor.gif

[hushed basalt]

If it's officially spelt Wi-Fi it should never ever be pronounced Wif ee

[ocean mirage]

wiffee

[hushed basalt]

It's two words. Wi and Fi

Hyphenated

Like jerk-face

Not jer kaface

[ocean mirage]

thats an extra syllable though

and possibly how its said in italy

[hushed basalt]

You're missing the point :p

[ocean mirage]

I never miss the point

[hushed basalt]

People in italy can say it however they like

[ocean mirage]

thank you

[forest edge]

what the hell did i walk into

lol

[steel urchin]

a spiderweb, and now you're stuck

Press ❎ to Jason

ok eff this... loads the first landing page of HA, then times out when moving to auth

so i give up for now

ROFL... ok... ok.... this is great... restarted my phone and now it's working

hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.... fuck technology

[ocean mirage]

you are losing it hey

[steel urchin]

lol i'm ready to drink

[ocean mirage]

staying hydrated is important

[steel urchin]

but staying clean until this conference

cuz i know i'll be fed lots of liquor, need to save the liver

[ocean mirage]

just huff paint

I accidentally did that yesterday

dont try to solve HA problems afterwards though

[scenic radish]

Hey whiskerz remember when you accidentally pinged all the mods?

[steel urchin]

lol

[ocean mirage]

not anymore I dont

too much paint

I guess I get another free one

[ocean mirage]

I always thought huffing paint would be shit because I assumed you would get back to normal after a minute or so of regular air. Apparently not

[wet pilot]

https://giphy.com/gifs/simple-salty-ricks-wSeA56EWz3zaM

[steel urchin]

not like whippits

[proper swift]

apparently I have a bunch of din8 cable ends because thats an ancient sun serial cable.. sigh

[hushed basalt]

Ahhh

I restarted my phone too and it works too

Why didn't i try this a week ago

[ocean mirage]

how long does the whippits effect last?

[rain swift]

Is this a meme room now? 🤔

[ocean mirage]

now

[rain swift]

I'm ready to throw down.

[steel urchin]

usually that's it's explicit use while Tediore is here

[forest edge]

lol whippets

[rain swift]

First I must take the temperature of the room. 😎

[forest edge]

@steel urchin get your crap fixed yet or what?

[steel urchin]

yeah, apparently restarting my phone fixed it

[wet pilot]

heh

[forest edge]

lol

[wet pilot]

its always dns

[steel urchin]

i havne't restarted it since i got it

thing is, it's the exact same dns entries

[wet pilot]

https://giphy.com/gifs/the-it-crowd-DUtVdGeIU8lmo

[steel urchin]

no clue what it was.. if dns was failing internally to the phone i guess it could be dns... but otherwise nothing has changed... still shows my router as the dns server

[hushed basalt]

https://media.tenor.com/images/fb53504eeab978ea90be6b96c4cf5fe7/tenor.gif

[forest edge]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ShinySparklingCanary-size_restricted.gif

[steel urchin]

lovely haiku 🤣

Uninstalled Skybell

Such sweet words to be read

[scenic radish]

@trail crag can you post your "disk image is malformed" video pls

@steel urchin @rain swift is it a problem if this becomes a meme room?

Thank

[trail crag]

It's no fun when you ask for it

lol

[wet pilot]

he wants to save it for later

[trail crag]

ahhh

[scenic radish]

Indeed. Delete pls

If you wish

[trail crag]

mfrmfmsdfmo bossin me around...

[scenic radish]

IF YOU WISH

[wet pilot]

haha

[scenic radish]

XOFF ignored, mumble mumble

[trail crag]

POST IT DELETE IT

[wet pilot]

PLAY FREE BIRD

[scenic radish]

OBEY. CONSUME.

Actually I didn't even intend to save it until phnx said something, I just wanted to C it

And then you said it's no fun if I ask for it, so I saved it and then requested D E L E T I O N

[trail crag]

I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED

[scenic radish]

https://media.tenor.com/images/35017764cb64514da37beae43caa9cf9/tenor.gif

[trail crag]

didn't I share it with you though? you should...check pm

[scenic radish]

nano on Debian 9 rejects Ctrl + S, nano on Raspbian 10 accepts it. 🤔

O shit u rite

My 🇧

[trail crag]

I have another thing. Was saving it for a certain someone

[scenic radish]

For...90% of the users here?

[trail crag]

yeah but at specific times

[scenic radish]

Oh

[trail crag]

lol

[scenic radish]

@trail crag check PM

[trail crag]

I checked. Again.

still nothing.

Always nothing

[forest edge]

whats with all this secret PM crap!? share with the class!

[scenic radish]

no

[trail crag]

it's NEVER anything! Oh wait...

[forest edge]

hold on, gotta checkmPM

[forest edge]

lol

[trail crag]

every. time.

[wet pilot]

rofl

[scenic radish]

https://media.tenor.com/images/1074fe882342e81dc3c477d6cd31a9b5/tenor.gif

[wet pilot]

🆗 💥 🇪 🇷

[scenic radish]

There it is

[steel urchin]

@forest edge do you know if you can do the comms back n forth with that integration?

[forest edge]

i seriously doubt it

pretty sure that will be an app only thing

[steel urchin]

hmmmm... that blows

i rather like that

[forest edge]

well you can do both lol

have it record to motioneye while using app to check/talk remotely

er or the intergartion thing

altho that won't give you record

but you can slap an sdcard in it

to get stolen when someone rips it off the wall lol jk

[steel urchin]

the only thing i DON'T like about the app is how intrusive it is when the doorbell is rung... it goes full screen instantly over everything... i don't get the option to "answer" or "deny"

[forest edge]

weird, there has to be some way to turn that off

[scenic radish]

This channel is for memes only

[amber bramble]

orly

[scenic radish]

Please go to the non-memes channel

[ocean mirage]

I have all the other channels muted

[steel urchin]

how you gonna ping me and then delete it? 😛

[scenic radish]

Ya know Sonoma, I forgot about the pinch emoji until now

[forest edge]

lol

[scenic radish]

So you've brought this upon yourself

It's not even in my frequently used anymore

[forest edge]

not hotkeyed along with all 40 billion other things? lol

[scenic radish]

If everything's hotkeyed, nothing is

[steel urchin]

no options btw... there's actually surprisingly few options at all

[scenic radish]

~memes

[steel urchin]

errr let me rephrase.. there IS a way to completely disable it, but not a way to not be so intrusive

[forest edge]

I never had any intention of keeping the app so it's features never meant anything to me lol

[steel urchin]

i mean in that case why get a doorbell cam? just get a cam?

[forest edge]

as for the audio, there might be something out there that can use it

well my doorbell button needs replacement anyways and it's location is perfect for a cam lol

[scenic radish]

Stalker cam?

[forest edge]

so it just works out for me

[scenic radish]

Stalker cam.

[forest edge]

no I don't stalk my mail lady lol

I've had 2 packages over xmas get porch pirated which prompted me to even do anything, otherwise i wouldn't even replace my doorbell button lol

[scenic radish]

That sucks

[steel urchin]

hey sonoma i'm watching that video finally

🤣

[forest edge]

lol

suprise there isn't a role for just automation video creators in this server lol

[wet pilot]

they like to hide

[forest edge]

many have thier own discord server i thought

[wet pilot]

the owner of the server doesn't even have any special roles

[forest edge]

thats diffrent

[scenic radish]

Ur different

[forest edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/527620293976391691.gif?v=1

[steel urchin]

Hmmm

This doorbell triggers motion when my hall light is turned on

That's kinda lame

[forest edge]

how?

lol

you leave your front door open?

[scenic radish]

He doesn't need locks where he lives

Or doors

[wet pilot]

four solid walls and a roof

been sealed in there for years

[forest edge]

i have 40 millions thing on my dashboard but i have compressed everything so much that it still looks empty and it's depressing

need more crap

[scenic radish]

[wet pilot]

||forbidden topic||

[scenic radish]

tee-hee

|| ||

[proper swift]

secrets!

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[wet pilot]

||thing||

[scenic radish]

|| 🍆 ||

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

oh no it's already awake!

[modest sentinel]

I swear I spend more time trying to find icons than anything else

is there a good mdi for deck? lol

not even a grill 😦

[forest edge]

@modest sentinel if you have hacs you can install the fontawesome integration which will open the door to even more options

[modest sentinel]

hm, last I looked at fontawesome the one icon I would have used cost $

nothing stands out to me there for yard,grill, deck, patio... I'm out of keywords 😆

but there's a damn stroopwafel icon, so there's that

[scenic radish]

🧇

ehh, close enough

[clear ferry]

🧇

Stroopwaffles are so nice

I always buy some when flying through schipol

[ocean mirage]

what is a stroopwaffles

[velvet horizon]

:point_up: Let me Google that for you...

Here , try this:
http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=stroopwaffles

Command '.lmgtfy' was invoked by: atxbyea

[modest sentinel]

wow that bot giving you some sass

[wet pilot]

Command '.lmgtfy' was invoked by: atxbyea

[clear ferry]

Technically I'm a bot 🤖

[valid halo]

I love stroopwafels

[modest sentinel]

@clear ferry hello bot

good news Doc, you can use the stroopwafel icon in HA

just not bbq, grill, deck, patio, backyard icon

[valid halo]

My will to live is restorex

[modest sentinel]

Restorex sounds like a great cleaning product, tell me more

[wet pilot]

if they're recent icons, they might not be included in the UI yet

last i checked the icons pack is a few versions behind

[modest sentinel]

@wet pilot I mean they don't even exist

[wet pilot]

gotcha

interesting

[modest sentinel]

if you can find me an icon that accurately represents a deck or grilling area or something I'll donate $0.50 to charity

[wet pilot]

nope, grill is a thing

ﺆ

[valid halo]

If you drink restorex just once daily you too can desire to continue living

[forest edge]

last i checked the icons pack is a few versions behind

stop reminding me! lol

[valid halo]

In some rare cases restorex may cause you to attempt to conquer the world

[velvet horizon]

Hello @modest sentinel 👋

[modest sentinel]

@wet pilot what the heck, I searched the list for grill and got 0 hits

but thanks

[wet pilot]

np

[modest sentinel]

@wet pilot

Thank you so much for your donation of $1.00 to 350.org!

[wet pilot]

O.o

[modest sentinel]

i said 50c but you can't donate that small of an amount lol

[wet pilot]

what's 350.org? 😛

[modest sentinel]

anti-fossil fuel, climate change advocacy

[wet pilot]

fair enough

works for me 🙂

[valid halo]

Yaaaaay 👏

[scenic radish]

alright so i found something kind of interesting. a reddit post revealed that the abode home security gateway has a rest api with rather uninteresting information at gateway-ip/action/welcomeGet. i discovered that if i add a slash to the end of welcomeGet i get a login prompt (the default Chrome one). i tried some common username/password combos but none worked and it appears it actually banned me for a bit, but now i'm back in. any tips on what i should do?

[forest edge]

not-a-clue

[scenic radish]

hunter2

[forest edge]

if you found it sure someone else has, time to google fu the heck out of the issue at hand

[steel urchin]

lol you guys have like 6" solid steel doors?

i have glass panes in my door

[forest edge]

i don't like letting people see into my home

I have an arched glass window at the very top of the door that is taller than most can see through and still put curtains on it lol

[hushed basalt]

What's the name of that script to make Windows 10 not make you throw up

[forest edge]

kicktediore.sh? or was that for something else?

[ocean mirage]

Sonoma, you might like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/eorblk/my_neighbours_built_a_deck_that_looks_directly/

[steel urchin]

well they can't see through, it's frosted glass

[forest edge]

@ocean mirage haha

[steel urchin]

but light shines through just fine

[forest edge]

I dunno how you would solve your motion issue if the light is triggering the camera without covering the windows or never turning on the light lol

could try masking off the areas the light shine on but then that might screw you for actual motion outside lol

[steel urchin]

yeah it'snot really possible

i have thought about some curtains on the inside though, because in the morning during sunrise it's insane and is like looking directly at the sun

the whole hallway is like a SHAFT of sun beam

[forest edge]

lol

[steel urchin]

lucky for me i don't wake up early too often

light off

hall light on

[forest edge]

thats nuts

[steel urchin]

patio light on

[forest edge]

such a small opening it's no suprise the light reflecting off the sides is triggering it

wish the wide nagle would include vertical lol

[steel urchin]

just weird that the other doorbell was less ... sensitive?

[forest edge]

be sweet if you could see the ground lol

[steel urchin]

yeah... i agree.. because i can't see if a package is down there

[forest edge]

lol 3d print a bracket to angle it downwards lol

[steel urchin]

luckily i'm not expecting any packages for a LOOONG time

[forest edge]

i hope that date stamp is removable

[steel urchin]

it is not

[forest edge]

bleh

[steel urchin]

part of the feed

[clear ferry]

We have a wooden door with a glass inset in the top middle, the size of a A3 paper

We cover it often due to the morning sun

But I thought about putting a IKEA blind there

[forest edge]

and when he says wooden door, what he's really talking about is a tree trunk on hinges

[clear ferry]

And close it based on light level 😛

Classic Norwegian front door https://images.app.goo.gl/NhQsTNDa6HwtHhnQ6

[forest edge]

oh disappointing

I wanted it to be something thick

[clear ferry]

Like yo bottom? 🍑

[steel urchin]

ours is kinda like this

[clear ferry]

Wtf

[forest edge]

lmao

[ocean mirage]

just paint all the glass

[clear ferry]

That is the weirdest front door I have ever seen

[forest edge]

facing the sun in the morning they installed that? lol

[steel urchin]

well coming from you that's not surprising

[ocean mirage]

thats not that strange here

[steel urchin]

you're in a weird part of the world

[ocean mirage]

also atx you have lost your way

"That front door 🤢 "

You have forgotten the face of your father

[clear ferry]

Nfg has bought an Aussie door

[clever mortar]

We've a neighbour with a front door like that, and the side glass is clear, while the door glass is frosted... 🤦

[ocean mirage]

theyre not common here but ive seen em

[steel urchin]

lol that's weird

[clear ferry]

Thankee-sai!

[forest edge]

this should be traditional norwat door https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/123305233819_/Vintage-Round-Top-Arched-Exterior-Thick-Wood-Door.jpg

[steel urchin]

hobitses

[clear ferry]

That would be more of a French door

[steel urchin]

mm french doors look nothing like that 🤣

[clear ferry]

They just inhabit 200 year old houses that were monestaries

[steel urchin]

that's a french door

[forest edge]

that our french doors lol

[clear ferry]

Not French doors, doors of French houses ;)

[ocean mirage]

hehe

[clear ferry]

Don't come here with your modern shite 😛

[forest edge]

what you posted was pretty modren

[steel urchin]

sorry caveman, but the rest of us live in 2020

yeah mine is considered "modern"... but when i lived in france for 5 years they looked exactly like that

[forest edge]

i actually like wooden doors lol

the thicker the better

[steel urchin]

same... thick, solid, and you can't see shit

with glass on the door, intrusions are simple

don't get me wrong, if someone wants in, they're getting in

[ocean mirage]

without glass on the door...intrusions are simple

heh

[forest edge]

door so heavy it takes 6 guys to mount on hinges that have to be welded to a frame that is a support for the house lol

[steel urchin]

in that case i just go in the side window 😛

[ocean mirage]

nah thats not on

[steel urchin]

Sonoma lives in a bank vault

scrooge mcduck style

[forest edge]

i would

in aheartbeat

[steel urchin]

https://giphy.com/gifs/old-poor-lists-U4b1wJrFHIpWw

he's all "brb bois, goin for a swim"

could you imagine how much that would hurt

[forest edge]

I like how Tinkerer comes on in a weird hour and finds the one person who wants to make their own life a living hell later and asks him on how to do it lol

@steel urchin that would kill you, they actually did like a mythbuster style thing about it lol

[steel urchin]

oh yeah i know, but it'd hurt a lot, too

[clever mortar]

I can always find the crazy people...

[forest edge]

lol

[ocean mirage]

lol you peasants acting like itd hurt

like have you never actually done that

[steel urchin]

no, but i have rolled around on a shit ton of cash before

it wasn't as fun as i thought it'd be

[clear ferry]

Tink, crazymagnet

I pulled out 60 bucks first time I was in the us and exchanged it in 1 dollar bills, just to throw them at the wife when I got to the hotel room

She was not amused

[forest edge]

lol

[steel urchin]

neither would i... $60 is crap in tips

🤣

does it not have the same effect in other currency?

[forest edge]

at the time $60 was his life savings

[steel urchin]

nah

[clear ferry]

Speaking of tips, first time I got to the us and was on a delayed flight and tired as hell, then when the taxi got to the hotel I though 5 was enough in tips, apparently it was not as he was very disappointed

We generally don't tip in Europe, so it takes time to get used to

[forest edge]

lol

I hate the whole tipping thing here in the us

[steel urchin]

eh... i don't tip

[forest edge]

for some all thier money comes from tips

[steel urchin]

i know, i lived it for a while

[clear ferry]

I like that they started putting examples on the bills, but I always do a quick math on it

[steel urchin]

and i got right the fuck out of there

lol yeah, i've seen places that intentionally put the wrong math on there

$20, 10% tip is $10!

[clear ferry]

😂

[steel urchin]

worst job i had was valet at a resort

[forest edge]

use to be %15 was the norm, now it's 20%. and I been reading that some uber drivers who don't get tipped will flag you as leaving thier car dirty just to get money for that

[steel urchin]

the parking garage was a quarter mile around the way... in 100+F weather it suuuucked

[clear ferry]

I usually tip the maid

Because I don't want that person to hate me

[forest edge]

I don't tip maids unless the ending was happy

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

I tip food waiters ect, valets from time to time and of course the food delivery people from like door dash ect but i try and avoid tipping anyone else if i can lol

[clever mortar]

I tip the barber, and serving staff (where there service has been worth it)

[clear ferry]

It has to be an extraordinary experience for me to leave tip in Europe

It usually never is

[forest edge]

lol

[modest sentinel]

I get my new saltwater tank tomorrow 😄 excited to eventually automate the hell out of it

[quartz ether]

Come to NZ where people get paid stupid money for min wage and they are still likely to ask you to leave before they ask you what you want to eat

[modest sentinel]

current tank is 30gal, the new tank is nearly 5x that size

[clear ferry]

There is no minimum wage in Norway, except for a few service fields, appears the minimum for servers is usd19 per hour

[quartz ether]

You have a high tax rate there aye?

[clear ferry]

Not very, I've paid 27-35 most of my life

[modest sentinel]

how does lack of minimum wage affect workers? do people take advantage of that like they do / would certainly do in the states?

[clear ferry]

@modest sentinel not really, the fields where there is no minimum wage have so high salaries it usually is better 🤷

[steel urchin]

i mean they definitely do... i made $2/hr + tips for a while

[quartz ether]

There is always bad owners that exploit people when there is no minimum wage. However in NZ they keep putting min wage up and it has gotten to a point where there is a lack of jobs due to companies not able to pay to keep people.

[forest edge]

that sucks

[modest sentinel]

my first job as a teenager I got a raise because min wage went up, lmao

[quartz ether]

As min goes up shops need to charge more so milk and bread go up.

[modest sentinel]

if any node-red gurus want to take a peek in #node-red-archived I'd appreciate that

[quartz ether]

In service industries lower wage plus tips results in much better service and staff.

[clear ferry]

Yeah, as an apprentice I did $15 per hour, and that was 15 years ago and only 1/2 of a full salary

[modest sentinel]

what i find funny is when snow storms hit, milk and bread sell out first. Who really consumes that much milk and bread?!

i'd stock up on vodka and pasta

[quartz ether]

Haha

Canned food

[clear ferry]

When I was a paperboy in my early teens I made $10 per hour

[modest sentinel]

my first legal job at 14 i was making $4.25/hr

[forest edge]

it's diffrent if the economy is already setup for whatever the wage is, it's the sudden changes that fuck everything up

[modest sentinel]

and my first internship in college I was making $17/hr

[quartz ether]

my first offical wage was like $5.50 NZD sooo $3.64usd

[modest sentinel]

oof

let's show how old we are... when I got my first car gas was a dollar a gal

'99 or so

[clear ferry]

We just laughed when your prices passed a dollar

Because we had been paying $1 per LITER gas since 1995

[forest edge]

lol

[modest sentinel]

being the official world-wide symbol of freedom means cheap gas

[hushed basalt]

Tips came from scrooge business owners going "sorry can't pay you much, why don't you ask those cats you're serving to chip in"

[forest edge]

we're making our own now, so who knows what the prices will end up

[hushed basalt]

I'm pretty sure most American workers would rather have no tips, livable minimum wage and health care rather than crap minimum wage, some tips and no healthcare

[modest sentinel]

^

[forest edge]

@hushed basalt people foght to keep tips cause it wasn't as taxed as much and people could make way more than they could otherwise

[modest sentinel]

health care? that sounds like some commie socialist propaganda I don't want to get on a death list or wait 4 months for a broken foot --too many americans

[forest edge]

now it's sticky

[modest sentinel]

people liked tips because it was cash they could hide

[forest edge]

you use to be able to not evven claim tips so you didn't pay taxes on it

[modest sentinel]

but now everything is on a card

[clear ferry]

Who wants a drink?

[steel urchin]

hey this scrcpy is pretty rad... glad someone mentioned it earlier

[hushed basalt]

Why not just make employers pay a living wage

And people can tip if they want

[steel urchin]

because greed

[hushed basalt]

If everyone automatically expects 20% what's the point

[modest sentinel]

that's a sexy little display you have there, @clear ferry

[steel urchin]

it's funny... US is anti socialist, but demands socialism in the weirdest of ways

[clear ferry]

It's only half since my daughter's pen is in the way 😂

[steel urchin]

so THAT'S how you get her to sleep!

[modest sentinel]

damn kids

[hushed basalt]

Socialised costs

Privatised profits

[modest sentinel]

america: socialism sucks, but we need to bail out failing billion dollar companies!

[hushed basalt]

Might be getting a little /pol

If mods bring down the hammer just say Tediore started it

[steel urchin]

or whiskerz, he already pissed them off

[modest sentinel]

I saw @scenic radish start it

[clear ferry]

[modest sentinel]

let's talk about Bernie...

[steel urchin]

oof, that rando ping

[hushed basalt]

https://media.tenor.com/images/6a39ef28dfdb03274097fe8ecf472585/tenor.gif

[forest edge]

@hushed basalt now people want higher wage WHILE getting the tips, but because the IRS factors in tips now even more percise then ever before people don't want to deal with the high tax bracket that comes with it

[modest sentinel]

...Mac

the comedian.

see what i did there

[forest edge]

the whole low wage + tips thing will go away

in the long run

[clear ferry]

Better ping møds @steel urchin

[hushed basalt]

People can tip whatever they want, but employers shouldn't be able to pay below minimum wage because tips are expected

Brits seem big on tips now

[modest sentinel]

what's the point of minimum wage, exactly? is it to prevent abuse of the working class?

[hushed basalt]

Or was that just because I'm a tourist

[modest sentinel]

if so, what good does it do if it keeps people at poverty level

[hushed basalt]

Well minimum wage needs to be higher obviously

[forest edge]

all has to do with balance

[hushed basalt]

And costs needs to be socialised so people don't have to spend all their pay from two jobs on medical costs

[modest sentinel]

and i wish tipping would go a way. I feel bad if I DON'T tip 20%

[forest edge]

you don't pay a door greeter the same wage as the manager and you don't pay the manager the same wage as a ceo just becaause the door greeter wants the manager wage

[hushed basalt]

Gubberments purposefully work to suppress wage growth

It's a literal goal, not the outcome of poor practice

Not just supress growth but deflate absolute

[modest sentinel]

we can go off on tangents here about how slavery is still technically legal in the states and corporations to this day make massive profits off slave labor

[hushed basalt]

It's not a illuminati secret, it's literally a policy

[modest sentinel]

but like, home automation

[hushed basalt]

Automation isn't the reason for wage depression

We've been using mechanical aid to reduce labour for millenia

[modest sentinel]

oh i was just joking about changing the topic haha

[forest edge]

really @clear ferry is to blame.. working for cloud services.. i mean really people throwing money at something that lives in cyberspace and is a waste of a good buck

how dare he go afk

the nervve

[clear ferry]

Pfff, we enable cloud, not serve it ;)

Blame @steel urchin rather, he seems like a cloud guy

[clever mortar]

cloud == somebody else's computer/problem

[modest sentinel]

i had that sticker!

[clear ferry]

Cloud 🤢

On premise cloud

[modest sentinel]

cloud is so 2018, edge computing is in

[clear ferry]

Aye, I've been working with that for a while, but the market hasn't caught up yet

HPE EL4000 is a cool beast

[hushed basalt]

Everyone here knows atxbyea is the illuminati

[modest sentinel]

i think sony/ms/google are going to drive a lot of that in the consumer facing world with gaming

i'm really curious to see what edge computing can do for non-deterministic applications

[hushed basalt]

I'm 4000km away from the nearest cloud DC

Edge computing is important

[clear ferry]

Was on a conference with some shopping data metrics analysis, they followed each cart around the store, which path they used, which products they picked up, which they put back etc

Pretty cool metrics

[modest sentinel]

creepy, too

[hushed basalt]

Big data is here to stay

[clear ferry]

Based on that data they moved goods around the store for next week

Like, if a lot of people who bought toothpaste also bought garden gnomes, let's move them closer

[modest sentinel]

i bet they felt like the very first person who decided to stock the salsa next to the corn chips

[hushed basalt]

Blue green testing with physical inventory

[modest sentinel]

that term is new to me, thanks

[steel urchin]

hehe do you know the name of that company ATX?

[modest sentinel]

From A to Z? haha

[clear ferry]

It was in Norway @steel urchin but name wasn't disclosed

[steel urchin]

🙂 i know

i cannot stand the "youtube" voice people put on

esp when it's good information

"wwwhat's up guys? it's your boy"

[clear ferry]

Loooool

I hate that

Cringetopia

[forest edge]

lol

[steel urchin]

i tend to let yt run and run and ignore it, it's like white noise to me sometimes, and this guy came on and it made my blood boil

[forest edge]

you guys arent pewdepie die hard fans?

[hushed basalt]

I watched sssniperwolf for the first time yesterday

Wtf do people watch "youtubers"

[steel urchin]

if it's a video on youtube, they're a youtuber

[hushed basalt]

You know what I mean

People whos entire program is just them being a youtube celebrity

[steel urchin]

i mean i watch king of random or odd things sometimes in the background

sniperwolf's voice pisses me off

i can only watch her on mute

[forest edge]

i watch anything diy on youtube

[steel urchin]

yeah i watch a lot of woodworking videos on youtube

ok... another pronunciation war... how do you say HASS, and HASSio

[hushed basalt]

I've never said it out loud

[forest edge]

HASS and HASS-io

[hushed basalt]

But I read it as hass as in ass

And i o

[steel urchin]

hmm

[hushed basalt]

Hass rhymes with ash

Haassss I O

[steel urchin]

i've been saying hahs in my head

this guy is saying hazzeeyo

and it makes me want to choke him out

[hushed basalt]

Mass but with H instead of M is the closest way to describe how I would say it

I still think hassio should have just been called homeassistantOS or something

[forest edge]

Tediore would be saying reeeeeeeeee right now

[hushed basalt]

:D

[steel urchin]

lol i think your first example was fine

[hushed basalt]

Are there any other similar software suites

Where there's a fully managed OS as well as a standalone package

With confusing naming conventions

Proxmox?

[clever mortar]

OpenHAB has openHABian

[steel urchin]

weird.. just saw someone repremand someone for talking about LazyLibrarian on LSIO discord, but i see radarr/sonarr discussed literally every day

[forest edge]

openhab seemed way more confusing to me, no idea what it was but I just couldn't grasp it the same lol

[modest sentinel]

speaking of youtube and hatred. I love watching cooking channels. I CAN'T STAND Food Wishes. He has so many good recipes and techniques, but the cadence of his voice makes me stabby. SO STABBY

https://www.youtube.com/user/foodwishes

HELLO THIS IS CHEF JOHN AND UGGGH KILL ME

[forest edge]

wtf the Dyson 360 Heurist has 10gigs of memory with a quad core? lol

thats insane

[modest sentinel]

for a robovac?!

[steel urchin]

heh... there's a few HA video people i feel the same way about, but their info is too good to knock it

[modest sentinel]

info, no matter how good, cannot be enjoyed by me if the delivery is so annoying

i go into rage mode

[steel urchin]

i've learned to use close captioning 😛

[modest sentinel]

chaotic evil path of the berserker barbarian when i hear food wishes

[steel urchin]

i completely see what you're saying with that dude's cadence

[modest sentinel]

right? like it's 4 seconds on, 4 seconds off

[hushed basalt]

Acloudguru are horrible for that

[modest sentinel]

good recipes but hard pass i'll just watch Brad from It's Alive

[hushed basalt]

Especially for a professional course

GARBAGE MICROPHONES WITH GARBAGE MIXING

[modest sentinel]

look you're a youtube millionaire hire a fucking audio guy

[hushed basalt]

HELLO AND WELHMM TO ACCLUDDD GURRRHHU

Arghh

Spend the annual subscription cost of of one user and buy real gear

Two users for a halfway decent mic and and a halfway decent IO

[modest sentinel]

i swear the mic on my fucking logitech webcam is better and i use that every damn day for work

[hushed basalt]

Meanwhile you have a sole guy like Wes Bos who has like 200 hours of premium content and has a wayy better resepct for audio

And a premium company like acloudguru must have their lecturers just talking into the laptop mic in a hostel or something

And you want me to listen to hundreds of hours of this

[modest sentinel]

ugh

i've been watching a lot of chicken videos the past year or so and the quality they have is nothing short of amazing. YOU VIDEO CHICKEN RAISING FOR A LIVING. why is this better than techies

[hushed basalt]

The whole business model is slideshows and people talking over said slideshows and they can't get that right

Chicken videos?

[modest sentinel]

like, livestock and stuff

i have 5 chickens

weed 'em and reap is so overproduced but entertaining and informative. And they're just chicken people! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCf4zEY4qO8OSK5P3sP9MMEQ

whatever mics they use, let's send that to devs everywhere

that reminds me, i still need to install my z-wave chicken coop door

[steel urchin]

that's an adorable family

i hate them 🤣

[modest sentinel]

lol yeah

i didnt know much about arizona before watching them... what a weird state. they get their backyard flooded with a city-wide system to provide water. It's weird

like 6" of water in the entire yard

[steel urchin]

i think i want a new receiver so i can have alexa change my volume 🤣

i feel like a plebian changing my own noise ratio

[modest sentinel]

i use a soundbar with my tv, i got one with chromecast so it could be part of my audio group

whole home audio while cooking or cleaning = yes

[clear ferry]

The BMW 7 series from early 00s is so fricking ugly

But i kinda want one

My wife would kill me after my wreck of a Audi A8 though 😂

[modest sentinel]

my buddy had an early 00s m3 and that was a sexy looking car, and i'm not usually a german car fan

[clear ferry]

3 series 🤢

Only BMW's I could ever want are the 80s 6 series, late 90s 7 series or a X5 from 05 onwards

I rode in a. 8 series once, fun car, but would never own one

[steel urchin]

Oh hell yes!

[clear ferry]

For the S5?

[steel urchin]

yep

[clear ferry]

Noice

[steel urchin]

looks like we're basically getting the s6 updates 🙂

[clear ferry]

I was pretty annoyed it just stopped working when I blocked it

It worked for like five hours

Then just stopped accepting local commands

[steel urchin]

weird

oooh yeah i'm liking this update

too bad it's almost 4am, can't run it without waking the wife

[clear ferry]

HELLO I'M OVER HERE

[steel urchin]

lol i just hit that

the voice is slightly different

i want to make my own voice at some point

[clear ferry]

I would want to have Tinkerers voice berating me

[steel urchin]

it'd just be Reeeeeeeeee

[clear ferry]

You've never been yelled at by a Scotsman I see 😛

[wary mica]

so, anyone here interested in a HA pebble watch face 👀 I've been playing around with ideas and the pebble sdk

[clever mortar]

Yelling is reserved for total fsck ups

[clear ferry]

Is pebble still a thing? I replaced mine with a amazfit and didn't miss anything 😛

[clever mortar]

Until then, a relatively quiet, clearly frustrated and disappointed voice works wonders

[wary mica]

one of the caveats of the amazfit is that it doesn't have music control, right?

at least not natively

[clear ferry]

Like my wife says, who is also a northerner like me, the more polite a northerner is the more trouble you are in

[wary mica]

i just picked up 2x PTS to replace my dead PTS. rip

[clever mortar]

I use music control on any smart watch about ... never

[clear ferry]

I do it either on the console im in or the headphone themselves

[clever mortar]

Yeah, headphone controls do everything I can do on the watch

[wary mica]

unfortunately i have... shudder airpods now

but i got them for free when ebay screwed the pooch and refunded

[clear ferry]

Apple 🤢

[wary mica]

they're not the worst

[steel urchin]

lol my bad... i'm tired.. you said Tinkerer, and I read Tediore

[clear ferry]

If Tinkerer ever says reeeeeeee

I'll say he is hacked

[steel urchin]

hmm... as soon as i attempted the integration for this doorbell it went to shit

the rtsp stream is doodoo!

and the app no longer will pull up the stream... hmm

so bizarre.. factory reset the thing and all is good again...

[clear ferry]

For you Americans, I should always say miss when addressing someone and not mam right? More polite to assume they are young and unmarried? 😂

[rain swift]

say whatever you want

the world has become to BS PC

if someone gets offended, oh well.

[clever mortar]

Somebody referred to it as Generation snowflake

[brisk glen]

https://www.evehome.com/en-us/eve-extend

hmmmm

I wonder

[clear ferry]

Homekit🤢

[rain swift]

yeah, that's what I am looking for in a home automation system, a walled garden of over priced hardware.

[brisk glen]

@clear ferry but this might let my outlets work with the must not be named

@rain swift the specs are open

[clear ferry]

Wherever someone mentions homekit in any channels here it is always is it broken for anyone else? or why doesn't X work? 😂

[brisk glen]

... I have homekit and it just works

I use Homekit with must not be named here

usualy people's routers are trash and fuck up multicasts

[clever mortar]

Yeah, HomeKit and SmartThings get the most unanswered is it just me or is it broken posts of all integrations

[brisk glen]

well, the solution is to get a better router / ap

[clever mortar]

Sometimes

[brisk glen]

most of the time

[clever mortar]

Sometimes the solution is to RTFM 😉

(particularly with ST)

[brisk glen]

rofl

st?

[clever mortar]

Smart Things

Number of folks who don't pay attention to the need for remote access is scary

[brisk glen]

IoT class: Cloud Push 🤢

[clever mortar]

Yup

Then there's the folks who're buying Wink kit...

[brisk glen]

I rather be vender locked in but have everything work locally than be cloud

[clever mortar]

Yeah, Spectrum purchasers must be having fun right now

[amber bramble]

people are still buying wink kits? 😳

[clever mortar]

I know...

[brisk glen]

my hopes are on Z-Wave with it turning into a fully open standard?

[clever mortar]

It's happening

https://drzwave.blog/2019/12/19/z-wave-is-no-longer-proprietary/

[brisk glen]

then I could have my 2 master hubs acting as 1

ill hold out till I start seeing the hardware that lets me do all of the good shit

[tidal bronze]

@clever mortar will you still keep it remote ?

[clever mortar]

Yeah

I like not having to worry about upgrading/restarting Home Assistant

[tidal bronze]

Agreed

[brisk glen]

you have it on a remote server?

o.o

[clever mortar]

Yup

[tidal bronze]

Same

[clever mortar]

Off topic, but https://github.com/lukas-hetzenecker/home-assistant-remote

[brisk glen]

interesting

simpler than a vpn bridge

[rain swift]

I still prefer not to have anything to do with crapple. 🙂

[clear ferry]

mDNS, bonjour etc 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢

[brisk glen]

lol what

[tidal bronze]

Wife's iPhone that's it.

[rain swift]

same

[brisk glen]

whats wrong with mDNS?

[rain swift]

I don't care what phone she has, but nothing else in my house is apple. Only one box is even windows.

[clear ferry]

Shitty and easily breakable

😛

[brisk glen]

how

[clear ferry]

It's unreliable as frick

Wow hostname doesn't work, again

[brisk glen]

its very reliable when your network gear is not shit

[clear ferry]

Some packet got lost 🤢

[dusky plank]

It's working beautifully for me, Wide Are Bonjour on the other hand PITA

[brisk glen]

@clear ferry mDNS is just dns name broadcasting over a multicast address with UDP

the rest is TCP

your network has issues if shit is getting lost

[clear ferry]

Multicast is fine for video

For anything you need to be reliable

[dusky plank]

and for discovery

[clear ferry]

It is shite😛

[brisk glen]

you must be one of those with a shit router / ap 😛

[clear ferry]

[dusky plank]

😄

2.4 ghz anyone?

[brisk glen]

its almsot like regular dns also does not use UDP

[clear ferry]

Nah, I work with multicast in 25000 port networks, we never use it for anything business critical 😛

[brisk glen]

multicast is only good for small domains

[clear ferry]

And there the routers are shite

[brisk glen]

as soon as you have that many clients... block that shit

[clear ferry]

So it's a lose lose situation😛

[brisk glen]

way way way too much chatter

igmpv3 that as well

[clear ferry]

I run igmp V2 and V3 fine over those networks ;)

With atleast 1500 clients utilizing it

[brisk glen]

yah... multicast over large networks is usually a big nope, at that scale, you need your own internal dns server