That isn't a thing here for the most part
#the-water-cooler
wet pilot
wet pilot
Switched
brisk glen
That is not a thing here
wet pilot
Double gang with 4 outlets aren't uncommon
hushed basalt
Rare here
hushed basalt
Single outlets are common before a decades ago
This is a common sight under peoples desks or behind tv cabinets
wet pilot
Gross
hushed basalt
π€’
hushed basalt
There's nothing you can do. Just neaten it up as much as you can and shove your two powerboards somewhere hidden
brisk glen
Bluetooth uses less energy but WiFi costs $10 less -.-
brisk glen
Iβm allready Bluetooth..... got a zibbee hub that will work with HomeKit and the banned topic?
forest edge
https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/397426163649216512/666448566427844618 < gives me nightmares
hushed basalt
Just get a zigbee2mqtt compatible gateway and never look back
What do your power strips look like
Say one feeding a desk or tv cabinet
forest edge
power strips look the same, we just don't have them bunched like that usually lol
hushed basalt
I mount mine under the desk
Still messy if you sit on the floor and look up, but atleast it's mostly hidden
brisk glen
Meh, I need a hub, I keep mucking with HA too much
hushed basalt
Unless someone is standing far away
brisk glen
Something it can connect to over IP and be cool
forest edge
if I needed that many outlets i'd build my own panel if there wasn't something already on the market that did what i needed
forest edge
but then at some point you gotta be careful of how much juice your pulling through a single outlet those are plugged into as well
brisk glen
I have an odd HA HomeKit hybrid
hushed basalt
Build your own panel?
Not an option here, unless you spend 4-5 years becoming an electrician
Our typical outlets support 2400w though which is great
forest edge
yea it's pretty common here for us to build our own stuff lol
brisk glen
forest edge
you'll see all kind of crazy things, hell you find antique furniture with modified cutouts for inserting a plug back when electricty started making its way into people's homes lol
brisk glen
This supports like everything lol
hushed basalt
Build your own panel?
forest edge
proprietary hubs π€’
forest edge
heating up in #330944238910963714 i see @wet pilot lol
wet pilot
Yeah
forest edge
I would have just wrote, hubitat and walked away lol
wet pilot
Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
valid halo
speaking of electricity
I hear BACK in the DAY in the UK items would be sold with a wire and no plug. You'd wire up a plug manually at home
forest edge
that wouldn't suprise me lol
here lamps were often assembled in parts so it was common to see all kinds of scary cords coming off people's bought/makeshift built lamps lol
heck i got WWII bomb that was converted to a lamp
wet pilot
It's actually code in my state to hard wire the dishwasher
forest edge
they don't come with anything you always have to wire something to it, but here you just wire a plug to it then plug it in under the sink
hushed basalt
I have a WWII bomb lamp
wet pilot
There's a loose cable coming out of the concrete that was direct wired
hushed basalt
My grandmother made the shell in the factory
forest edge
@hushed basalt thats cool, mine was brought back from a family member who was in it
where would you locate the switch?
valid halo
Did she just take it home as a memento?
wet pilot
In the same box as the disposal
forest edge
if the wire came out fo the floor
hushed basalt
Pretty much Doctor
wet pilot
Directly above
valid halo
I took a coffee cup that was undrinkable from being used as a pen holder for months
forest edge
so you'd have to tear aprt the front to gain access to the box just to manually turn it off (exception breaker panel)
hushed basalt
I need to convert it to LED though'
It's got a sketchy bayonet mount in it and wired up with figure 8 cable
super illegal
wet pilot
Nah, the switch is above the counter
wet pilot
It's clean but still dumb
forest edge
yea I don't think anything except ac/furnace is hard wired here
wet pilot
Last state I lived in used an outlet like a normal person
hushed basalt
Ovens and stovetops
forest edge
not that there is anything wrong with it per say, just more of a pain of swapping stuff out but not any less safe
wet pilot
Yup. I like that there's a junction box now at least
forest edge
our stoves are plugged in as well
only ac/heating type uints seem to be hard wired
when you get someone difficult in here you just push @scenic radish in the crossfire
scenic radish
It ain't much, but it's honest work.
forest edge
proper swift
sigh. why must every vendor of ups/pdu/power bits have their own proprietary serial cable and pinout? ffs.
I mean crap. can't they just have a !@#4ing db9?
scenic radish
Ooh! APC ftw. Standard USB
I have APCUPSd running on my pi. USB connection to the UPS
proper swift
yeah.. !@#$ APC. I spent 4 hours yesterday guessing at the wiring for an APC console cable that was RJ22!!!
tidal bronze
APC here as well
proper swift
modern APC's are less awful admittedly
tidal bronze
RJ45 to USBA
proper swift
yeah.. but.. just to point something out. WTF is with the rj45 on that? couldn't just make it a usb port?
scenic radish
I like mine. USB-B to A
tidal bronze
Lol
scenic radish
Came with the cable too, conveniently
tidal bronze
Gotta get APC on the phone
scenic radish
PRINTER CABLE
proper swift
right.. I have a pretty recent one and it's rj45->usb. have fun when you lose that cable. also, they have many variety of rj45->usb A
I just want DB9 or that printer style usb. this tripplite trash has a !@#$ing DIN8. sigh.
proper swift
thats good. thats how they should all be.
scenic radish
APC BE600M1
Yeah I'm not sure why they'd use any other cable lol
Especially rj45 to USB. Wtf is that shit
proper swift
right?
scenic radish
AFAIC that's a proprietary cable
proper swift
it's not even a serial usb dongle. it's a USBHID, so, it's a literal pin and wire cable.
scenic radish
Good lord
proper swift
right? I'da forgiven a serial port that had a trick usb dongle
at least rj45 serial ports are semi-standardized
but yeah, the RJ22 made my brain bleed and now this new device has a DIN8, so, that should be fun to guess at.
and bonus points for using an rj22 and only using the center 4 pins, just to make it confusing. π
I have a DB9 breakout board wired into a breadboard, and then a bunch of cables wired into that so I can test different combos until I win.
tidal bronze
So chromecast audio is selling for $99 π€
wet pilot
rofl
RIP
still a little pissed google killed them off
i should have picked up another when they were being fire-saled
hushed basalt
Wah
tidal bronze
I had like 2 can't find it and desperately need one π¦
wet pilot
probably plugged in to something
tidal bronze
Yep. Was searching for it all day Sunday
tidal bronze
Sadly no
wet pilot
lame
clear mirage
So today at work I was helping a coworker with a spreadsheet, this person is at another location, so ask her if she can send me a screenshot.. well she ends up printing the page and scanning it to me
tidal bronze
That's the only way I can sync GA speaker group with whole house group. Anything with HDMI too much latency
wet pilot
yeah, i have one plugged in to my main receiver
i need to set my automation back up to have it turn on and change the source of my receiver
tidal bronze
I am now planning to sync 2 x AVR and GA SPK group.
hushed basalt
Can't you adjust the sync
wet pilot
how close are the receivers?
tidal bronze
Within GA yes but AVR to GA group needs analog audio
wet pilot
might be able to sling spdif between the 2
hushed basalt
So using hdmi from a chromecast can't work?
wet pilot
it lags quite a bit
hushed basalt
More than you can adjust?
tidal bronze
Whole house audio is from Garage. Another AVR in family. 9 GA speakers
wet pilot
enough to be obnoxious
tidal bronze
HDMI sucks
wet pilot
hmm, probably too far for spdif then
tidal bronze
yep
I do have spdif to cat5 that I don't use since ARC is just a joke π
but the conversion ads lag for audio sync
forest edge
chicken bacon with ranch.. mmm
tidal bronze
lol
wet pilot
my receiver is still 1.x so i have to have everything plugged in to the tv :/
tidal bronze
Even spdif can't handle DTSHD
tidal bronze
Yep. All my equipment is in the garage so CAT6 to 4KUHD HDBASET all over
forest edge
doesn't it take two lines to run the 4k?
tidal bronze
Not anymore
forest edge
oh thats nice
tidal bronze
forest edge
oh only cat6+ supports single line, i see
I had thought about using coax to run hdmi signals all over the house eons ago when i remolded but back then a single pair of adapaters was like over a grand a piece so was like f that lol
and that wa slike 720p days
tidal bronze
Yep no idea what to do with coax now
But there was a time with 3 x RG6 for component video runs and whole house distribution
forest edge
can still use existing coax lines to run all kinds of things. it can handle everything net to audio, ir ect
power
lol
tidal bronze
All cat5 now for me even for IR distribution
forest edge
suprise fiber isn't snaking it's way out
I guess it has it's downsides as well isuppose
wet pilot
startup costs are higher but the bandwidth is awesome
tidal bronze
Guess CAT covers most of the bases, perhaps with increasing video BW fiber will come in to play.
wet pilot
LTT just ran fiber through his house
forest edge
as long as fiber has been around, there really isn't any reason for it to be any diffrent than even cat in terms of costs. maybe they are intentionally holding it back for that extra thing to spring on people to force change or something
tidal bronze
Yep, like everything else π
forest edge
which is nuts cause fiber been around for like 50+ years lol
well not that long but you get the idea
CLOSE TO 40 I THINK IT IS
caps lock
tidal bronze
Other than multiple TrueHD/DTS-MA on plex I don't see the use of it yet.
And then that would be 10g switches etc π
forest edge
they will invent something new for that
tidal bronze
oh and 10g NAS as well
forest edge
some kind of hdmi/thunderbolt/apple garbage hybrid
tidal bronze
Or you getting hands dirty with premier 8k video over LAN
I am starting to like dsb18b20 π
steel urchin
i have fiber in every room but i don't have any plans for it
forest edge
tape a flashlight to one end then go look at the other end with awww'ness
tidal bronze
π€£ +
steel urchin
lol
we used to do that in the lab all the time with smaller lengths of the stuff... i once made a thing i remember from my childhood
kinda like this
forest edge
lol tape like a globe to one end that's vvisiable like in a living room then rgb led at the other end controls by HA, and use it the colors coming from the globe like a notification light lol, centralized lol
tidal bronze
You on a roll or what ? π
forest edge
if you had all the fiber lines bunched together you could construct somethig that would only pass the light to certian lines for certian things, it could actually work lol
all off a single rgb light that notified every room in a home that has fiber going to it lol
he said he didn't have any plans, i just gave one lol
crap now i iwish i had fiber ran through the house. i would totally use that as a whole home notification light lol
forest edge
makin use with what you got lol
scenic radish
I have an 8-port switch π
last dirge
windows "Night Light" or f.lux?
wet pilot
nightlight has been good enough for me
hushed basalt
I'll be running cat6 when I get a house
Then multimode for places I could take advantage of 10gbe
Mainly computer areas, possibly a shed etc
No coax though. Haven't used FTA Tv in like 7 years
hushed basalt
Hehe I beat you
ocean mirage
reran the DSL line as a form of troubleshooting
hushed basalt
For anyone thinking of running their own. Pro tip
Use keystone patch panels not ones with the modules inbuilt
So you don't have to take out the entire patch panel to add/replace/repair
Plus you can mix and match
Cat6, LC, coax, rj12, whatever you need
ocean mirage
thats too refined for me
im just gonna come in through the ceiling of my cupboard housing the switch and terminate to rj45 jacks directly into the switch
less bits
hushed basalt
π€’
ocean mirage
for now its only gonna be like 4 cables, might re-asses one day
forest edge
I got those insert patch panels
mounted it to the wall
looks like a data center setup, gross for residential lol
ocean mirage
my plan is gross anywhere
forest edge
house is ran with cat5e
ocean mirage
gotta pinch those pennies
forest edge
just wish I knew then what I know now which is I should have ran a cat5e or more cable to ever knook and crany in the house lol
proper swift
keystones are nice
I luckily did run cat5e to every corner of the house. I use a bunch of them just for onewire sensors.
forest edge
@proper swift yea it nevver dawned on me to use the wire for other stuff, ./smacks forhead
proper swift
I found you can carefully crimp a bare ds18b20 into an RJ45 plug
so I have a few just, rj45 plugs right in the jacks almost invisibly
@last dirge You can cheat and use an IDT punchdown tool on keystone jacks. π
last dirge
I use a hockey puck and a 110 tool for keystone jacks
proper swift
yep. works great. I did discover recently that leviton keystone jacks become brittle after about 10 years. very unhappy with that.
last dirge
hahaha
proper swift
went to insert one the other day and it shattered
proper swift
nope.. in a box in a closet
hushed basalt
What on earth is an IDT
proper swift
its the telco style punchdown strips on the back of patchpanels
hushed basalt
You mean IDC?
hushed basalt
;) I'm not that bad of a telco tech
I'm pretty sure 110 and krone are the main two types
Not interchangeable, unless you like packet black holes
proper swift
IDC is the room they are in. π
proper swift
PCMCIA. that's my excuse.
hushed basalt
Keystone is just the connector type, as in the mounting
Nothing to do with the terminal strips
proper swift
that I know, I mean you can use the tool to do the jacks faster
last dirge
with the shitty little plastic "tool" that comes in the package
hushed basalt
π€’ π€’ π€’
proper swift
they teach people in school to use the plastic tool, or to actually use the little protector things to do the insertion which takes thor's strength and usually breaks
hushed basalt
Your school should be illegal
proper swift
Yeah I was horrified when I saw the students doing that
hushed basalt
The caps are just to stop them falling out. Unless it's some sketchy connector that uses it for termination
ocean mirage
we had a networking class in high school
last dirge
I got a cheapo Ideal tool
proper swift
I think I have the ideal one too.. blue and yellow. π
forest edge
ideal i think it what i got too lol
ocean mirage
some kid who paid no attention was away when we made ethernet cables, so he had to do it in the side room in the next lesson
hushed basalt
Anything with decent machining and a spring mechanism will be 10000 times better than that plastic crap
hushed basalt
You want that daclunk to know you have the right force
last dirge
gotta use a hockey puck too
or you end up with horrible imprints in your palm from the pressure
hushed basalt
Hehe good tip
proper swift
I usually use a piece of tile and do it against the wall
so I don't crush the drywall
last dirge
hockey pucks are indestructible though
hushed basalt
That's why keystones are good you can terminate on a table then put it into place
last dirge
how much slack are you feeding into the wall?
proper swift
amusingly, I have a pair of 24-port PP's coming in tomorrow that I need to wire together. should be fun doing 48 punchdowns
hushed basalt
Have you done the runs
forest edge
how is there not some battery operated auto tool for that these days lol
hushed basalt
In labs there would be
proper swift
no.. this is basically going from the back of the rack to the front to make the wiring cleaner
hushed basalt
Not gonna lie 8p8c is a pain
Solid conductor rg6 is super easy with the right tooling
Strip, compress, done
proper swift
I hate working with the shielded CATV cable. miserable to get the ends on
hushed basalt
Cat6 you have to keep everything as short as possible outside the jacket and keep the twists intact as humanly possible
@proper swift the ones with the pins?
Stranded cable is a PITA. Solid conductor is easy as though
Those pins fffuuuuuu
proper swift
yeah, just because the shield mesh makes the outer jacket large and it doesn't want to insert into the connector
hushed basalt
Might be a tooling or connector issue
proper swift
luckily I odn't need to make anymore of those.. hopefully ever
hushed basalt
Also put the cylinder bit over it before you strip
proper swift
I think it was the heavy duty stuff
I did one of the basic rg6 wire ones like from a directv cable and was like "is this how easy it's supposed to be?"
hushed basalt
RG6 is a boon though. It has no place in the modern home
proper swift
yeah, which is why I'll probably never do another one. all my runs of it are done and terminated, and mostly useless
hushed basalt
:D
proper swift
could probably run 12v light power over one
hushed basalt
There are advantages of just having conduit in the walls,
One of my friends had that in his new house
So he could run stuff later
proper swift
conduit would have been nice
I wish I had followed through on my idea of running a few multimode in specific places
scenic radish
@forest edge ΰΌΌ γ€ β_β ΰΌ½γ€
proper swift
though I have zero clue how to terminate a MM cable
hushed basalt
You don't
Not domestically
You need fusion splicers and all sorts of fun expensive stuff
You buy preterminated cables and feed them into couplers
proper swift
thats what I thought
hushed basalt
And manage the coil in your rack etc
scenic radish
just when i think i'm tech savvy someone throws around the term "fusion splicer"
π πΆββοΈ
hushed basalt
And even with fusion splicers they just splice them onto an existing cable
hushed basalt
So they'll like cut a patch lead in half and splice it onto that then put it in a coupler
Then a patch from coupler to equipment etc
proper swift
eons ago one of the field techs at a place I worked taught us (well, let us flail badly once) to do a glass fiber splice with that microscope tool. that was fun, but not something I'm suited for.
proper swift
it was a super cool tool. lined them up under microscope, cut, then fused
mine was almost capable of conveying data!
forest edge
would think the fushion would distort it too much
hushed basalt
Basically you cut the fibre with a high precision cleaver
Like a mini guillotine
And you put it inside this glass ferrule thing
^do that step before the cleave
forest edge
now we know why packetloss is still around with so much fiber about haha
hushed basalt
And the machine grabs each end, lines up the fibre with a microscope and servos and then hits it with an arc or something
It's been like 10 years since I've done it so I'm a bit rusty
proper swift
he was saying that every splice adds basically X feet to the "length" of the cable
hushed basalt
The high tech ones will also actually bend the fibre before and after the splice
And feed in light into the fibre without breaking it, and take it out
forest edge
I would think some kind of coupler would be better
hushed basalt
To measure the loss at the splice
forest edge
but then i guess not
proper swift
I thought the couplers were worse?
forest edge
I dunno, hard to picture fusing two pieces of glass together perfectly to begin with it's literally 
because the slightest thing would cause too much distortion imo
hushed basalt
Hence the precision automatic machine control
proper swift
that same job, I had to order a single spool of 14 miles of singlemode fiber for a job (was a purchaser back then). it was a million dollars. AT&T had to shut down the factory for 2 days to make it.
hushed basalt
Why so long in one run
proper swift
I have no idea. some crazy govt contract that specified it
forest edge
who else could afford it lol
proper swift
early 90s
hushed basalt
Must be so the sneaky russians can't tap in easily
proper swift
city of tuscon IIRC
hushed basalt
Or some idiot designer
proper swift
The guy from AT&T told me "yeah, so, we have to shut down the factory, and then, it takes us like 3-5 tries to make the cable, because sometimes it glitches in the middle of the extrude and we have to start over"
forest edge
ouch
hushed basalt
Painful
forest edge
sure they just cut that into predetermined legths and upsold them lol
hushed basalt
Those clients who make things extremely difficuky
proper swift
I'm sure they kept it, but yeah
hushed basalt
Not sure
proper swift
My boss was like "get 3 quotes" and I was like "well, umm.. AT&T are the only people on the planet that can do this"
hushed basalt
Ask them three times
proper swift
I had a quote from Anixter for cost +5%, Graybar for cost +5% and someone else for cost +5%
wet pilot
pretty much
proper swift
the last guy was like "yeah, the at&t rep said, oh it's for them here"
hushed basalt
Copy paste
steel urchin
what are we talking about? i need distractions from real life
hushed basalt
I remember when people would ask us for quotes for stuff only we had
Then our competitors would ask us for quotes half an hour later
steel urchin
"To be, or not to be" is a good quote
proper swift
and the owner was so happy about his 1.1M contract.. until I told him the cost of the spool....
hushed basalt
95% for competitor and 100% for the rando,
wet pilot
2.5MM
hushed basalt
So you make almost all the money and don't have to deal with randos
proper swift
$995,000 I still remember that number because it was crazy to buy something that big. π
wet pilot
lol
steel urchin
small non consecutive bills
hushed basalt
Wire transfer the money to pay for the transport costs to move the money
forest edge
all in pennies please
proper swift
eons later, when I built my current house.. I had to write a check for 116,000 for framing. that was actually way more impacting because it was my own money.
wet pilot
when the cost is measured in tons
hushed basalt
You Americans use cheques a lot hey
hushed basalt
What about like if you're a contractor or freelancer
steel urchin
cash
wet pilot
paid our down-payment for our house via debit card
proper swift
writing that check out was painful
steel urchin
but it's so weird carrying a piece of paper worth 750k in a folder
wet pilot
actually, no, they wire-transferred it into escrow
steel urchin
like... it should feel heavier π€£
wet pilot
haha
steel urchin
stamp it onto some steel bitches
hushed basalt
Why not just transfer
steel urchin
because i don't want to hand money to someone until i'm damn well ready to
wiring you have to do before you close
wet pilot
eh, it went into escrow. if it sits there long enough it starts gaining interest
though if it does sit too long you have a different problem
we were 2 days from suing our sellers
wet pilot
cya
steel urchin
i need to find a lawyer again... stupid contractor making threats about a mechanical lien
wet pilot
heh
wet pilot
sometimes the threat is enough
steel urchin
basically claims he did the job and wants his money, puts a lien on the house
in TX there's nothing stopping a contractor from filing a lien, it's on the owner's obligation to invalidate the lien
wet pilot
courts in tx are all sorts of fucked
one district in tx is single handedly enabling patent trolling
steel urchin
yeah...
hushed basalt
Litigation bullies
wet pilot
though i think that judge got censured
the whole "lifetime appointment" thing is BS
at all federal levels
steel urchin
yeah all positions should have term caps
you're serving the public, go remind yourself what it's like to be in public
wet pilot
yup
scenic radish
no u
wet pilot
term + age limits i think are important (and will never happen)
steel urchin
π³ π ΎοΈ πΊ
wet pilot
steel urchin
i think the lower the chain the less need for age limits, but otherwise i agree... president shouldn't be in his 60's talking about what's best for the next generation
wet pilot
gotta make it global or it isn't "fair"
wet pilot
"no federal position may be held by a person above the federal age of retirement"
forest edge
nothing wrong with 60 lol
steel urchin
no experience, barely knows the law
forest edge
wtf is wrong with you
you don't want some 20 year old president, that much i can promise you
steel urchin
lol true
steel urchin
yeah, just speaking in hypotheticals
wet pilot
but if there's a lower bound, there should be an upper bound
forest edge
maybe within your guys lifetime there will be some kind of radical change in how it all works
I doubt it
but who knows
steel urchin
i thought we were there already
forest edge
no
steel urchin
next will be a homeless guy
then someone who's lived in their mom's basement their entire life
oh i misread... "in how it all works"
wet pilot
ain't nuthin gonna happen
forest edge
never underestimate Independence Day
wet pilot
baring a "designated survivor" type event
forest edge
we'll get everything worked out and live in paradise then die instantly to a massive collision with a meteor
steel urchin
no comment
wet pilot
i haven't bohered π
steel urchin
lol it's like he has an alert for the term
forest edge
lol
steel urchin
literally came out of nowhere Michael π€£
brisk glen
I tend to lurk π
srsly tho, @scenic radish if you vlan... its a router on a stick setup which means all traffic crossing vlans goes through that router
forest edge
Tediore gonna have a vlan for each individual device you watch
scenic radish
Michael doesn't like my hardware choices
brisk glen
im fine with it, just know your limitations
@forest edge shhhh I do that now .. almost
forest edge
lol
scenic radish
@forest edge "splitting up your config network"
forest edge
only if it was that simple lol
brisk glen
500 Mbit pipe shared across several lans including your net is a bad idea
scenic radish
Well in that case I'll just enjoy the fact that I will actually have a proper router
steel urchin
it's 2020 Tediore, be prideful in your decision making!
brisk glen
you can probaly have a LAN and a IoT lan
and maby a server lan......
possibly
no more tho
steel urchin
i was considering doing a vlan for video stuffs
but then i opted to not do video stuffs
brisk glen
steel urchin
although this doorbell will have onvif support so that WILL be on the network... either way, should be fine for a single device
brisk glen
I did my video stufs
scenic radish
I really just want a VLAN for my IoT devices that aren't restricted to LAN only
Please tell me you can restrict devices to LAN only on the ER-X...
forest edge
psh codex i'm just gonna pipe it's rtsp feed into motioneyes and block the camera from the internet lol
steel urchin
lol forgot my hair was orange... talk about a "woah" moment
forest edge
lol
brisk glen
my NoT network is lan only with no internet access
scenic radish
don't laugh at my small client count
forest edge
Tediore got so many devices wanting to talk to china his current router blew up
steel urchin
in tomato i have to do that by mac, how do you do it?
steel urchin
right, and your method of denying?
brisk glen
every IP ever
steel urchin
routes?
forest edge
use the parental controls tab haha
brisk glen
lol
steel urchin
that works
forest edge
it actually does lol
steel urchin
i mean that's essentially what i mean by mac address filtering
brisk glen
steel urchin
parental controls is just scheduling around that ty pically
brisk glen
in my lan in portion
traffic goes in, firewall looks at the rules and go no.. no internet access for you
steel urchin
brisk glen
or any other vlan access unless I make another rule
steel urchin
that's basically what i'd do in my setup
scenic radish
block yo shit
steel urchin
also, don't know why my theme stopped working... annoying
brisk glen
everything I do is based on 802.11x and vlans
scenic radish
Petition to rename #nodered to #nodebread
brisk glen
I auth IoT devices based on mac addresses on the PSK WPA2 network
scenic radish
This is important stop what you're talking about everyone
brisk glen
@scenic radish I vote yes
scenic radish
Why not
forest edge
someone says toaster and tediore had a lightbulb go off lol
steel urchin
i mean... it's made by ibm
scenic radish
Toaster? I hardly know her!
steel urchin
you'd think it'd be node-blue
forest edge
took you a bit to find that one lol
scenic radish
@forest edge on mobile
steel urchin
it made me rage
the fact that you can't properly abstract things kinda made me crazy
forest edge
did it make you rage codex? no red did that?
steel urchin
and i hated having to put my LAT/LONG in over and over, when it already lives in HA
brisk glen
@steel urchin I rather have it in a outline format
steel urchin
same
scenic radish
Heh long
steel urchin
the very rare occasion in my life i'm preferring config over code
steel urchin
python is a poor man's language
scenic radish
ree
forest edge
yup and we're poor
scenic radish
Mini ree
wet pilot
if you can get a swift webhooks client you can make it happen
steel urchin
and appdaemon breaks every best practice you can do in architecture so... i can't back it
brisk glen
@wet pilot indeed, thats the easy part
wet pilot
@steel urchin they just re-did a bunch of stuff for 4.0
steel urchin
is it released?
wet pilot
today
steel urchin
is that the version i was looking at?
steel urchin
ah ok, will look again
brisk glen
tell me if its decent now
wet pilot
heh been decent enough for me
steel urchin
EAD Sonoma π
brisk glen
every time I have tried to use appdaemon... it was broken with the current HA update
forest edge
lol
brisk glen
been about 2 years now
forest edge
phnx running version 0.62 or something lol
wet pilot
started around there
scenic radish
Version 0.62 of what Sonoma?
wet pilot
HA
scenic radish
FORBIDDEN TOPIC?
forest edge
oh?
wet pilot
{forbidden}
ocean mirage
backticks phnx
wet pilot
lame
hushed basalt
Reeeee
forest edge
and what makes version 0.62 FORBIDDEN_TOPIC may i ask?
brisk glen
ill try to dockerize it again
ocean mirage
||
velvet horizonBOT
wet pilot
asshole
hushed basalt
||no||
wet pilot
|| forbidden ||
got it
i knew templates fucked it but i couldn't remember which char did it
scenic radish
|| homet assistant ||
hushed basalt
City library, you think you can limit my data
wet pilot
lol
forest edge
lol
hushed basalt
Randomise mac, go
forest edge
leeching off the library
hushed basalt
So you think you can block meeee
forest edge
I got a public scool nearby i could leech off it's wifi
wet pilot
eh, schools usually filter their wifi
forest edge
thought about using it for torrents once upon a time lol
brisk glen
@wet pilot depends
hushed basalt
Its mac based
brisk glen
my college does not give a shit
storm summit
I lived in an apartment complex when WEP was a thing. Free internet for life!
wet pilot
colleges don't give a shit
steel urchin
wet pilot
primary schools do
forest edge
not this one, these people are idiots, guest login is on the front door
wet pilot
lol
brisk glen
π
wet pilot
does your school also give out laptops/tablets?
hushed basalt
Where does the traffic go through
steel urchin
wait... master isn't dev... lemme check the 4.x branch
brisk glen
yah, but not my department
wet pilot
would be fun to see how many of the fuckers discovered porn
brisk glen
the library does it
wet pilot
heh
brisk glen
not the tech departments issue
wet pilot
librarian flaunting their masters degree?
steel urchin
nope...
forest edge
oh i need to look into that to see if this school has a 3d printer i could use
wet pilot
but they can be salty sometimes
brisk glen
the school paid for it π
cant be salty to your IT staff
soo much food bribes
its the chillest job I have ever worked
steel urchin
my wife's director of IT hates her because she has a mac... but she hates mac as well, just that the CEO said she has to have one because he has one
wet pilot
i saw in their release notes that they made some changes to the hassapi thing but i haven't really paid attention
what is your beef out of curiosity?
brisk glen
I like macs.....
wet pilot
i'm...not a fan
steel urchin
@wet pilot will follow up on that, lemme bash macs real quick
for individual use i mean, ok.. fine
hushed basalt
Macs are the devil
wet pilot
their interface is constantly inconsistent with itself
steel urchin
but for ab usiness, they're literally portable backdoors
hushed basalt
Devs loovvve their macs though
brisk glen
my sister stopped downloading viruses when she got one and its stupid easy to remote support help my mom
steel urchin
and they don't integrate for shit
wet pilot
i'm a dev and i fracking hate my mac
steel urchin
want MDM? too bad
steel urchin
want LDAP? mmmmm chances are IT doesn't have patience for that
wet pilot
they give macs to all the devs. no ldap
steel urchin
want MS Office? Well I'm not goign to buy a single license for your bum-ass
hushed basalt
Just put everyone on mainframe terminals
brisk glen
@steel urchin its 365 now
hushed basalt
Problem solved
steel urchin
want anything that everyone else in the company wants, you're in your own land
wet pilot
i'd much rather have straight linux than mac
steel urchin
ok so maybe that was a bad example, i forgot about 365
wet pilot
but i was offered a choice between 2 macs and an under-powered windows machine. i picked the machine with the best hardware
steel urchin
there's a lot in the way of IT infrastructure that Macs just don't conform to...
wet pilot
but linux is "not supported" in a "don't do it" way from IT
brisk glen
my OS preference is macOS, GNU + Linux and anything else besides windows
steel urchin
but i'm also a believer in get what you want, so if you like mac, you deserve one
steel urchin
lol no one cares about JAMF
brisk glen
ew
all I have to do is net boot and reimage a mac
give it the right name and JAMF pushes everything
our SCCM deployment? naaaaa
steel urchin
if i have 2000 users on one system, why would i bother with supporting < 20 users on a MAC?
i have too much else going on
hushed basalt
Isn't HFS+ just dirty hack stacked on top of dirty hack
wet pilot
whats bad is, about half the company is on macs at this point and they don't do anything with them
hushed basalt
What's in use now
steel urchin
i've never worked in a company where a c-level uses a mac, because they just need it to work with everything
small or big
steel urchin
there's no VIPs in a university π€£
hushed basalt
Media production on mac is a pita
brisk glen
@hushed basalt I git logic pro X etc for only $200... its easy to do
wet pilot
s/on a mac//g
hushed basalt
Plus you're forced to use imacs at the only viable mid level machine
brisk glen
I use it to fix my moms old films
@hushed basalt did you forget the mac mini 2018?
I can kinda use an EGPU
hushed basalt
π€’
steel urchin
ok so anyway @wet pilot, my beef with the API is that it'll grow and grow and will change on you, thus breaking everything.. .the design is very explicit, and i'm very much a SOLID principal evangelist, and avoid opinionated frameworks.. making opinionated architecture based on your usage is perfectly fine, but i don't want it crammed down my throat
hushed basalt
Pcie x 16 3.0 for life
steel urchin
4.0 baby
wet pilot
fair enough
hushed basalt
TB3 is gross compared to pcie
brisk glen
.... Im rocking a mac mini now
wet pilot
i think they're trying for a bit of an "accessibility" thing
seems solid enough to me for now
brisk glen
best low power... powerfull desktop i have ever had
steel urchin
usb3.1 baby
brisk glen
plus I can never go back to windows
wet pilot
only reason i keep windows around is for gaming
brisk glen
.... 2 weeks ago a windows update nukes my windows work vm
@wet pilot Crossover (aka WINE)
hushed basalt
Get a pair of nvme drives, a couple of sfp+ interfaces, gpu, 3.5" drives, IO controller, etc
steel urchin
windows is great, honestly... literally one of the few platforms that are still continuing to innovate and adapt to modern times
OSX is almost the same as it did the day it came out
hushed basalt
And see how fun that is in the Thunderbolt world
steel urchin
like 12 years ago
wet pilot
heh are they really though?
hushed basalt
High cost low performance
brisk glen
@steel urchin and keep fucking shit up
wet pilot
i would like them to QA their damn code
forest edge
you guys know windows is going the direction of a linux structure right? lol
steel urchin
people don't like change, but change is good... everyone fucks up
brisk glen
@forest edge I call bullshit
forest edge
it'sd true lol
hushed basalt
Ansible in WSL can be a pita though
wet pilot
sure, but they've been fucking up a lot
brisk glen
they looked like it and went NOPE
steel urchin
Sonoma, it's been in linux structure since windows 2000
forest edge
I meant more full blown
steel urchin
their whole kernel is based on it
forest edge
the whole backend
hushed basalt
I'm trying to install docker desktop right now so I can actually run my ansible playbook
thick dragon
Windows 2000 was such a great turning point.
steel urchin
agreed
brisk glen
WSL 2.0 is a hyperv linux kernel because they were having IO issues
forest edge
the way they figure it, if they can do linux better than current linux then who would still use linux? lol
steel urchin
faster than kvm imo
brisk glen
so is vmware and avery modern vm tech
hushed basalt
It's not totally seamless though
steel urchin
in what context telco
hushed basalt
It's not a panacea for making everything work like it would in a pure linux install
There's a few edge cases
steel urchin
MS has done heaps for the linux subspace
forest edge
now
brisk glen
@forest edge oh idk, the fact that you have to pay per fucking CORE on the host pc and not the guest vm for a server?
steel urchin
probably more than the linux community itself
forest edge
but that wasn't always the case lol
brisk glen
windows gets expensive as hell
hushed basalt
Developing in linux is a lot easier but the desktop UX I've found meh across the board
steel urchin
now? like 15 years-ish
wet pilot
who actually cares about desktop ui though
hushed basalt
Everyone
brisk glen
I like mac because I can take the linux tools and use them
forest edge
@brisk glen but if they perfect it then it's a no brainer to shell out
steel urchin
eh, i use cinnamon for my WDE
brisk glen
err GNU tools
wet pilot
i've never cared
brisk glen
π
wet pilot
used i3 for a while
steel urchin
it's familiar and lightweight
brisk glen
@forest edge um no
hushed basalt
I think i need to go home with real internet
steel urchin
but really other than vscode and a browser, i don't do much gui in linux
brisk glen
its a nobrainer to use linux due to massive costs
forest edge
well we'll know with the nexr decade
wet pilot
vscode, terminal, browser, done
hushed basalt
So I can install docker desktop and run ansible in a dev container
brisk glen
redhat is pennies vs windows server
forest edge
you can still get win10 for free
forest edge
which is theier primary source
wet pilot
heh
brisk glen
@forest edge SERVER
forest edge
i know
brisk glen
not your home lab crap
wet pilot
lol no one sane runs RHEL as desktop
forest edge
course when it comes to buisness it's going to be pay
brisk glen
@wet pilot dua
steel urchin
i mean have you USED RHEL?
brisk glen
for servers lol
steel urchin
i hate redhat and bsd
wet pilot
centOS / fedora if you want rhel like
brisk glen
windows owns the desktop enterprise market
wet pilot
eh, not really these days
brisk glen
linux owns the server market
hushed basalt
Losing money to who
steel urchin
don't try building products on redhat, you'll pull your hair out
wet pilot
reading is hard
brisk glen
lol
hushed basalt
Murricans
wet pilot
heh my company uses OL7 because they're tards
brisk glen
windows is a special case for server market
wet pilot
but they were using cent5 and got stuck there
hushed basalt
I don't think I'd enjoy being a windows server admin
steel urchin
we would have been better off running gentoo than cent/rhel
brisk glen
MS is pushing hard for Azure
hushed basalt
Although admin stuff in general isn't my cup of tea
wet pilot
gentoo can be...interesting
forest edge
@hushed basalt you'd get paid more lol
brisk glen
... ill just take my sys/network admin ass out of here
steel urchin
it used to be my distro of choice... was fun until it wasn't π€£
brisk glen
debian here
steel urchin
i think they're about to start pushing out FTL to devs which could really make a wave in the market
webrtc on crack
steel urchin
yeah debian based here myself
hushed basalt
If you were a CTO of a brand new $1b company with 5000 staff in 5 states
wet pilot
i'm a fan of dnf
hushed basalt
What would you use for the tech stack for internals
steel urchin
well i was/am... but it all depends
brisk glen
I am as well.. I just need a debian speed os with dnf
hushed basalt
Corporatey corporate mccorporate
steel urchin
what is the company's services/goal?
brisk glen
centos takes forever
brisk glen
fedora is too fast
brisk glen
if they fix cent
wet pilot
and they're actually going to do it
brisk glen
what?
wet pilot
if you can believe them
steel urchin
define "internal" though
wet pilot
fix the flow of features
steel urchin
like pipelines and repos n shit?
brisk glen
@wet pilot if they do that.... im moving to cent
steel urchin
devops basically?
hushed basalt
Staff communications, reports, HR, marketing,
steel urchin
doesn't matter, because i'm using docker through most of that
wet pilot
O365/SFDC
brisk glen
@steel urchin alpine linux master race
steel urchin
oh that stuff... well again you gotta go windows
wet pilot
or all web
steel urchin
right
brisk glen
o365 runs fine on wine now
steel urchin
which, is getting better
brisk glen
sooo
steel urchin
monday.com is neat
wet pilot
could probably go full web and give out chromebooks
steel urchin
yeah but you can't get mary from hr on linux and not expect her to fuck shit up
hushed basalt
Does chromebook have corporate device management
hushed basalt
You gotta go office though
brisk glen
office 565 is a must
steel urchin
yeah, it's all baked into google accounts
wet pilot
eh, at that level, most won't notice
steel urchin
every google account has mdm to some degree
brisk glen
if chromebook cant provide office... nope
steel urchin
hushed basalt
Most won't notice not having office?
hushed basalt
Office for android π€’
I've gotta call it, you need to be running office on windows, hands down
steel urchin
install it and do a review telco π
brisk glen
@hushed basalt outlook
wet pilot
if we're talking your standard HR/admin type employee they won't miss most of the features of the fat office suite
brisk glen
public folders
hushed basalt
It's like if you're an graphics artist you have to use adobe
There's just no competition
wet pilot
there are cases, but not everyone uses everything
steel urchin
access databases with no security
hushed basalt
Looks like someone has a case of the mondays
hushed basalt
You would get destroyed on glassdoor if you tried to roll out o365 android to everyone
steel urchin
but look at all the things i can do only on my computer!
brisk glen
access can go die in a fire
steel urchin
i remember my first access app
hushed basalt
Excel, word, outlook maybe
wet pilot
ppt
brisk glen
access is like filemaker
wet pilot
ppt?
hushed basalt
Sorry
steel urchin
cut checks for a garbage dumpster rental company
hushed basalt
I thought you said firemaker
brisk glen
except apple cut them off
hushed basalt
Both statements are correct
brisk glen
@hushed basalt I did for a min.... drunk now
hushed basalt
Somebody should burn down the building
wet pilot
nominates @scenic radish
brisk glen
I lost count of the wine glasses
wet pilot
shit ass dbms
brisk glen
its a database
steel urchin
it's a dbms, mixed with excel, and vbforms
brisk glen
a shit one
steel urchin
and their own QL