you don't havve something like a drone for too long without finding ameans of making it hazardous to everyone's life lol
#the-water-cooler
forest edge
inner vault
probably blanket falls under anti-trap laws beyond specifically anything else
like it's illegal to "home alone" your house pretty much everywhere
scenic radish
RUNTIME ON BACKUP BATTERY
1 h
literally unusable
so the "sunflowers" have 24 h battery backup, but the system itself only have 1h runtime on backup... 🤔
forest edge
they prob expect your home to have a backup generator or something so that part becomes mute lol
strange vapor
They could probably go with a similar system as is been tested with farms here. Basisally an "avary" in the yard with multiple Drone docking points, and the drones can go off on their own and check on cattle with IR cameras.
forest edge
if you had monitor drones i think havving a backup means of power would be a given lol
strange vapor
You don't need that many drones with modern batteries to keep a fairly constant watch.
forest edge
i'd have like 100 of them.. the buzzing noise alone would scare everyone away before they even got to see them
scenic radish
bizzing
river rune
lol
scenic radish
bizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
forest edge
i'd sic'em on Tediore
scenic radish
reee
inner vault
if we're going full (m)(b)illionaire house probably has basement diesel generator with a pipe running out into the water to be refueled remotely by tanker
rain swift
true american here, and I think many people would be scared to mess with your place if they saw a couple of drones running a pattern around the property.
run drones in shifts, while some patrol, others charge
forest edge
would cause a neighborhood conversation for sure
inner vault
deffo agains HOA rules 😛
scenic radish
JFK!
FDR!
rain swift
hahaha, when I buy a house, it won't be any place with an HOA
nobody is gonna tell me what to do with my place. 😄
ima put up at least 2 PTZ's outside at the corners of the house so I have 360 coverage...
worn jasper
it blows my minds people are ok with HOAs i'd never live somewhere like that, i hate how all houses tend to look the exact same and its boring and no shade to be seen etc. like how you tell people where you live, the blue house between the 6 other blue houses XD LOL
scenic radish
i don't like the ideas of HOAs for houses but they're necessary for condos
inner vault
I don't think it's a thing around here except for condos
valid halo
I only know of HOA's from the horror stories
strange vapor
HOA?
valid halo
Home Owner Annoyance
river rune
Home Owner's Association
Blue haired old ladies telling you how short your grass has to be...
valid halo
A bunch of people who have a heart attack if your grass 1mm too tall
river rune
lol
valid halo
and don't you try to fuck em over. They use calipers to measure
valid halo
awwww but its fun to make blanket statements that are crowd pleasing
river rune
It's true. They aren't all like that... But I would probably say most are
inner vault
that's true, some also decide what colours you can and can't use or breeds of flowers you can plant
scenic radish
Thankfully mine isn't
strange vapor
Ah, don't have to deal with that 😄
inner vault
I think it's mostly in like subdivisions all built by the same contractors, and HOA fees go to stuff like curb maintenance and beautification things? like above and beyond what the city would actually do
scenic radish
Depends. In HOAs for multi-family housing like condos part of it goes toward exterior maintenance
river rune
When I was mowing lawns in Tennessee we had a bunch of people who lived in HOAs and if we were a day late mowing their lawn for some reason (like rain) a lot of them would get calls from their HOA complaining... And if one stripe was just slightly crooked in the yard we would hear about it.
inner vault
yeah, I mean in a condo it makes sense, there's a lot of shared infrastructure and such to maintain
scenic radish
@river rune that's ridiculous
inner vault
like roofs and hallways
river rune
Yea Condos it makes sense
inner vault
but then there's also the "probably" racist origins of HOAs, keeping up property value by keeping "undesirables" out
strange vapor
river rune
Looks good to me... He was just leaving you room to wire up a sonoff in there 😉
steel urchin
lol wow
wait, there's really anti-trap laws like that? did not know! picks up booby traps
valid halo
Booby Traps are indeed illegal
scenic radish
(.) (.)
shell star
@scenic radish that used to mean boobs in the dial up days 😂
scenic radish
that's what i meant it to be lol
shell star
hahahaha
river rune
Booby traps 😉
scenic radish
my coworker behind me is chewing with her mouth open and it's driving me up the wall
river rune
I have been about ready to destroy my Arduino because it refused to send MQTT messages when I pushed a button and then it would send some randomly on it's own... I have been trying to figure it out for about 2 hours last night and 1.5 today, and I just realized that I had accidentally deleted the pinMode(PIN, INPUT_PULLUP) lines for all my buttons. 🤦♂️
It works perfectly now
scenic radish
you hate to see it
river rune
Now I just have to see if I can get the auto discovery messages to send... I think if I try to send more than one it is running out of memory.
strange vapor
clear ferry
@strange vapor @ocean mirage I want number 3 and five https://youtu.be/lsYmvfwFmzQ
low harness
Speaking of nothing... Could there be a better subreddit name than this? https://www.reddit.com/r/howyoudoin/
scenic radish
steel urchin
PIVOT!
low harness
MY SANDWICH?
steel urchin
ross was such a lil b
funny thing, i saw the other day a headline about a show called Joey? Apparently it was leaked and was so bad it pretty much failed from the beginning
light trout
I think that show made 3-4 seasons some years ago
low harness
Yeah. It’s why spinoffs have such a bad name nowadays.
steel urchin
ruined it for everyone
clear ferry
Friends 🤢
river rune
They killed Joey (the show, not the character lol) half way through the second season... It was terrible
light trout
Ah, right (was actually thinking of Episodes) 😛
forest edge
why is the max length of code post only 15 lines?
dusky plank
finally can fetch the battery status from my oral b brush 
forest edge
lol wireless toothbrushes..
guess you could keep track on if the kids are brushing thier teeth
rain swift
my tooth brush is electric and bluetooth.
rain swift
I only used it for the timer, and the battery died. I tried the app on my phone but was like meh who cares.
dusky plank
@eager crest I used https://github.com/noble/noble
but I have the 9200w so extracting the correct information was a bit weird
eager crest
yes but sending my mom voice notifications when she's brushing her teeth sounds awesome
boreal pewter
I crowdfunded the Oclean X Pro
dawn flame
This seems like the best place to go off topic. I have never dabbled in real "physical" home automation before, but have a NAS running a docker swarm with automation for sonarr, plex etc.
I just bought myself a z wave plus stick and am seemingly starting to come to the conclusion that a combined stick with zigbee or just a smarthub might have been better.
Anyway to my question - For someone with basically a dumb home. Would you recommend smart switches over bulbs for the common areas? What protocol and what devices would you run if so?
Also this has probably been discussed here before and I checked reddit for the best off but what are your favorite automations? :>
boreal pewter
Will arrive somewhen 😂
eager crest
i always got the newest oral b cause my mother works for a dentalist
dusky plank
I use it to turn off/on the base station based on battery level because i can hear every frickin coil which gets power
eager crest
looll
eager crest
i know
boreal pewter
I would be worried if not
river rune
@dawn flame personally I would recommend switches over bulbs for retrofitting an existing system. It will save you quite a bit of money in the long run if you have a lot of ceiling lights.
I like using full color bulbs for lamps though, just for fun 😉 I have one behind my computer monitors that stays red most of the time but when I want to change it up I can easily do so.
And the beauty of something like Home Assistant is you can use any protocol. Personally I have mostly Zigbee devices with a few Z-Wave and a couple WiFi (I am getting more WiFi devices, hopefully they will get delivered today 🤞) so it really comes down to preference. I prefer opensource so Zigbee and WiFi (with devices that can be flashed with custom firmware) are my preference.
dawn flame
Thanks for the lengthy responce @river rune. I'm kind off frowning upon wifi as I don't want to add more bandwidth eating units. Do you have a zigbee usb stick on your HA or do you use an external hub? I am really leaning on getting a samsung smart things hub but the whole must be connected is off putting.
I was thinking the same thing for floor lamps. Get smart switches for common rooms and get some floor lamps that have smart bulbs. Then just create a protocol in ha that leverages both in the best way without hindering me. 🙂
Do you have any recommendations for gear?
river rune
I was using a SmartThings hub but like you said having to be connected is a pain, it also creates lag in some automations and commands. I made the full switch to HA about 2 weeks ago, so I am definately not an expert on HA. But I can tell you what worked for me.
I have a single dongle which does Z-Wave and Zigbee (Nortek something. I can DM you a link if you want) and it worked flawlessly to setup in HA. It shows up as 2 separate devices and you just have to configure the HA plugins to use the right one. For me Z-Wave was /dev/ttyUSB0 and Zigbee was /dev/ttyUSB1 but not sure if that is always the case but it probably is.
forest edge
after doing these shellys I gotta vote against smart switches personally lol
but it's all use pref
dawn flame
Found the nortek dongle. Thanks for the tips. 🙂
Just gotta see about returning my already bought one xD
river rune
It also depends on how much you like to tinker... I love building stuff with Arduinos and NodeMCUs so doing stuff with shellys and sonoffs is fun for me.
river rune
You can also just get prebuilt switches and just swap out your existing switch and wire it up... I have a GE 3-way Z-Wave switch for my living room lights
forest edge
my argument for that would be, if your removing a switch anyways the shelly/sonoff is the smarter choice simply because you retain control regardless
river rune
dawn flame
As does the smart switches though?
forest edge
smart switches when they die, that's it, you lost control
when these things die you still maintain control over the lights
plus with them hosting thier own firmware unlike most smart switches it's true local, don't even need to be hooked to a network for the benifits
most smart switches require an outside source for schedules, ect
river rune
Yeah, that is the benefit of those (which is why I have some of them ordered too 😉 )
dawn flame
I can see the argument for that.. On the other hand I don't want a congested wifi network. I have a nas that is on 24/7 with a back up. Seems highly situational to need true local imo. Again I'm not "in the scene" at all so I could be wrong...
forest edge
yea if your wanting zigbee/zwave switches you'll havve to go with a smart switch
river rune
It's preference 🤷♂️ I like the local control as well. And with MQTT if my RPi that is running HA ever dies I can just fire up a mqtt server on my laptop and still have some semblance of automated control.
rain swift
Well you can't expect much when you buy really cheap chinese stuff and then hack it to do other things.
river rune
Shelly is European iirc
forest edge
shelly is not cheap chinese lol
dawn flame
Cheap Swedish it seems xD
forest edge
I wouldn't call it cheap, considering the saftey protect in the 1pm's is pretty decent. smart switches don't evven have that
river rune
I would say the Shelly 1pm that is UL listed is probably about the same build/safety wise as the majority of smart switches you can get in the US.
forest edge
the ul is rated up above 20amp with a 16amp listing lol
your wire will melt before the shelly lol
rain swift
just make sure your home insurance will cover you if it burns the house down.
river rune
Which is what is required for UL listing iirc
steel urchin
so i have a friend that wants to move from vbox to kvm, i pointed him to qemu and he hated it... then i pointed him to virtmanager and it would crash on him a ton... anyone have a preference for someone who hates qemu but is insisting on kvm?
my vm needs have been so little over the years, i'm out of touch with it
clear ferry
Esxi 4 lyfe
steel urchin
is there a free management tool for esxi?
steel urchin
that's fine for him... he just needs a few windows and linux vm's he can mess up
i'll check it out before i pass it on... i know his patience level is pretty low lol... i told him "dude, you're wanting something for free, you need to learn some shit"
river rune
I use esxi but I primarilly use docker now days...
steel urchin
yeah i've been in container land for so long i forgot how to vm
scenic radish
🥥
river rune
the esxi interface is pretty straightforward... I had some bugs with editing the config of running vms but a refresh of the page would fix it when that happened
steel urchin
i told him just go vbox so he did, but he's like "it's sooo sloowwww" i told him get better hardware "but kvm is supposed to be faster" ... like... we're probably NOT talking by magnitudes, but he'll learn eventually
river rune
Yeah kvm and esxi are type 2 Hypervisors so they have direct hardware access whereas vbox is a type 1 so everything has to go through the base OS too
hearty depot
remindes me of my fedora vbox pain of today
still not able to turn on a vm with display
river rune
It slows them down some but it really depends on what you are doing whether it will be noticeable.
hearty depot
the laptop I use at work slowes down when I copy a file from a>b 😠
steel urchin
well i'm gonna check it out before i direct him there so i know how to use it, in case he has questions (which i'm sure he will)
but... i have to stop all my vms... hmmm
hearty depot
go open stack 🤣
steel urchin
oh hah... well esxi won't work for him (nor me, i don't have a spare system to play with it atm)
didn't realize it was an entire OS
back to the drawing board
light trout
Just do ESXi
steel urchin
yeah, i'm just trying to get him a util to manage the kvm's... he didn't like qemu or virtmanager
well virtmanager crashed on him
hearty depot
Get him vagrants 🤣
steel urchin
your emote is fishy 😛
steel urchin
yeah i've had scripts around it i've had to deal with ages ago
but that was another life lol
hearty depot
I (would - when I can finally get vbox running) use them all the time. Mostly for ansible
clear ferry
Vbox 🤢
clever mortar
But, Vbox + that other install method seems to make for entertainment
hushed basalt
Tiny machines inside machines
hushed basalt
The files are ~in~ the computer
clever mortar
Depends which side of the entertainment you're sitting on
I can watch other people having a bad day all day long...
forest edge
Frenck showing off more HA toys for us to lose lol
clear ferry
I love watching people suffer
It's what pays my bills
@forest edge listen to the ha podcast with frenck
Dat barritone
hushed basalt
How do I run docker inside hassio inside docker
forest edge
watching him on twitch atm @clear ferry
hushed basalt
Insidd a vbox inside esxi inside ec2
hushed basalt
Put some k8s in there too
Underneath the docker swarm
And finally a layer of serverless
hushed basalt
Also make sure to set up a new NAT interface at every layer
clever mortar
All this in a FreeBSD jail 😉
clever mortar
Zones
midnight adder
anyone good suggestion for a small factor 5v power supply for nodemcu, arduino etc
rain swift
So is there a way, or a way coming to use the app to do things like disable and enable cell data on your phone with an automation?
damn, the pi4 looks like it actually has decent specs
midnight adder
@tidal bronze yes, I was about to pick something from meanwell but thought someone had a specific product in mind
tidal bronze
Can't go wrong with mw
steel urchin
so the security company that is responsible for the "smart home" stuff that came with the house has literally been trying to figure the doorbell out for 2 hours...
midnight adder
anyone knows something about sonoff ifan3, does it have a spare gpio for temp sensor
hushed basalt
Yeah any "smart" stuff put into a builder is going to fall into obscurity very quickly
steel urchin
lol well it came with the house
i just need it working for the now, so i can sell it in a few weeks when i'm back in town
forest edge
doorbell for 2 hours? wtf does this doorbell do?
steel urchin
lol apparently nothing
it's making the chime buzz, but i tested the line and it's getting 16v just fine
forest edge
it's a "smart" doorbell?
forest edge
oh lol
steel urchin
i need to find a replacement still.. haven't done hardly any research on it
forest edge
leaning towwards this myself https://www.nellyssecurity.com/nsc-db2-3mp-wifi-video-doorbell-16gb.html
glass glade
CAn somone tell me how the sonos sources works...?
I can not figure out where the list is populated from.
forest edge
find video doorbells that can do local rtsp streaming and don't require some stupid cloud service is a real pain especially when your looking for something that doesn't cost too much over $100.
rain swift
I want one, I could go over 100 for the right one
glass glade
ahhh found out... it is the Sonos Favorites in Sonos App
static plinth
the snapshot service is nice
static plinth
ugh chromebooks suck
wet pilot
cheap chromebooks sucks. they can be decent with real hardware
hushed basalt
Are there any doorbell style raw cameras readily available
rain swift
raw?
hushed basalt
So like a hikvision wall mounted camera
With the lens designed for doorbell height
And two way audio
rain swift
some place.
hushed basalt
I suspect searching for "smart doorbell" would just show that proprietary crap
scenic radish
I like my HP Chromebook 15. Has a Pentium gold processor which is basically a lower binned i3
wet pilot
it'll probably run off in the right direction at least
rain swift
looks like you can't show your pihole dashboard with an iframe, booo.
wet pilot
its better than watching them run in the rain
hushed basalt
Sprinklers are banned during rain season here
So it's not really an issue except for the rare summer rain
Plus better sprinkler heads would help
forest edge
@scenic radish 
ugh now it's dropping below freezing after raining all freaking day
gonna be bumper cars out there shortly
steel urchin
ok we're talking costs with this doorbell shit... if you know of a baller doorbell that you would DIE to have, cost is not a concern, send it to me... I'm going to slap that bill in their faces
we just had an emergency electrician come out and drop a $1500 bill on them, tomorrow is drywall and paint coming out... so i want to hit them as hard as possible
midnight adder
I can invent something and send you an invoice lol
surreal elk
i am trying to use the following in an automation call to service light.turn_on
brightness: >
{% if not state_attr('light.basement_fancy_lamp', 'brightness') == None %} {%
set n = state_attr('light.basement_fancy_lamp', 'brightness') + 25 %} {% if n
255 %}
255
{% else %}
{{ n }}
{% endif %} {% else %} 25 {% endif %}
entity_id: light.basement_fancy_lamp
transition: '1'
but i am getting error :
Error while executing automation automation.basementlights_brighten. Invalid data for call_service at pos 1: expected int for dictionary value @ data['brightness']
Failed to call service light/turn_on. expected int for dictionary value @ data['brightness']
scenic radish
@surreal elk #330944238910963714
hushed basalt
@steel urchin what was the emergency electrician for
surreal elk
sorry im a noob at discord used to irc forgot
midnight adder
@surreal elk data_template
steel urchin
Because they somehow managed to fry a low voltage transformer for the doorbell, and they had to run new wiring
And install a new transformer
surreal elk
@midnight adder http://i.imgur.com/tdBqCBi.png i do not understand where to put that
forest edge
why were they messing with your doorbell to begin with?
midnight adder
@surreal elk whatever. try to onvert these attrs to int then? state_attr('light.basement_fancy_lamp', 'brightness') | int + 25
smth
u need to use another channel too
steel urchin
because it sucks and wasn't working right... they went to go add a receiver to the chime, somehow fried the whole line.. electrician said the tiny wires broke somewhere in the wall
so... here we are
midnight adder
and you can use under developer tools the jinja editor/validator
why do you need tiny wires for the doorbell to begin with
you run around some low voltage line inside the walls over there?
hushed basalt
@steel urchin hikvision doorbells are nice and expensive
Need POE though ;)
$250 aud though
tidal bronze
@steel urchin how did they toast a 24vac line ?
🤔 very strange. Usually if you short out 9vac ~24vac transformers, transformer gets popped but not the cable. It's common to short out the leads when installing bells etc. This is a first that I have come across.
steel urchin
who the hell knows
i'm mad
i'm just repeating what the electrician said, i didn't verify anything.. maybe he just wanted more money lol
i don't care, they paid it, and they're going to continue paying
tidal bronze
Perhaps money, nothing to do what actually happened 😀
steel urchin
gotta love it
restive condor
is anyone here using iPad 2's for a panel?
I have like 4 or 5 of the things as well as a couple of old Mini 1's I'd love to use but I remember there were issues last time i tried
something about them not being compatible with new code used
steel urchin
yeah i don't want the ring... i've seen lots having problems with that
hushed basalt
@restive condor yeah I've got an ipad 2 too
Basically it can't install chrome or safari that's up to date enough
It's the Apple way
restive condor
hahaha yep, they've been capped at iOS 9
it's because 10 was 64-bit and the 2 and below are a 32-bit CPU
but was just interested to know how people are using them with that limitation
my first preference was to use homepanel but it doesn't work
forest edge
@steel urchin you said you wanted expensive lol https://blog.ring.com/2017/12/04/cast-your-eyes-on-the-worlds-most-expensive-doorbell/
steel urchin
ROFL holy shit i love it
but, i gotta be somewhat reasonable
i went with the hikvision... now i have to go through the motion of getting the money out of them
filing everything, reporting everything, and they are waiting until they fix the wall, which should be a fun experience
tidal bronze
Still a ring. 
forest edge
the diamonds and sapphires and gold give it special powers
the power of flight when someone jacks it lol
tidal bronze
Why Jack a ring. You can find door wedges without all that trouble.
forest edge
I'd jack a 100k ring with diamonds and sapphires and gold lol
I'd even leave a note of Codex's door with the word, "YOINK"
stable terrace
@rain swift I'm using grafana to show pihole stats
rain swift
never used that before
steel urchin
i don't wanna do the poe route, they likely won't cover all that and i'm not on a venture to go all out for a doorbell
dense pulsar
Pfft it's not even mid January and you're already limiting how great a year this could be!
tidal bronze
Poe is the best route to take. If they are running cable I would drop 2x cat5
dense pulsar
I know, sometimes the last thing you need is yet another project on the todo list
steel urchin
oh nooo it's gone 😦
oh wait.. no it's not
@hushed basalt hack into this system telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
hushed basalt
Hack into the matrix
dense pulsar
What were you sed'ing?
steel urchin
That's what she sed
hushed basalt
Sources list
Need those sweet sweet au mirrors
Fun fact, Princess Leia's crew were all disposed of off screen
I never really thought about that until recently
Mortality rates for being a rebel are pretty attrocious
dense pulsar
True, doesn't make our little galaxy look so bad in that context
forest edge
how the hell is Tediore so quiet tonight lol
forest edge
lol
scenic radish
Apex legends
Used to play PUBG but my friends don't play it anymore...and you need a premade squad for that game lol
forest edge
Rust, play a real game
steel urchin
ark > rust
forest edge
ark runs like ass
and it gets old
just how many dinos you gonna tame and then feed for the rest of your life? lol
steel urchin
helps if you have a community to play with... events, challenges, etc
rust is basically the same, with about 1/8 of the things you can do
forest edge
atleast in rust you can set traps and watch tediore die horribly in fire
steel urchin
you can do that in ark as well
forest edge
you can't set the same traps in ark lol
steel urchin
in fact you can breed plants to do that as well
steel urchin
been there since day 1
forest edge
I don't remember in ellaborate plants for traps on players
i played ark when it released
steel urchin
you may not have ascended far enough 🤷♂️
yeah i've played it since day 1
7k hours in it 🤣
forest edge
you must be talking about mines not traps
forest edge
yea stepping on traps is not the same. in rust you can do way more evolved shit lol
steel urchin
like what
steel urchin
ah... i guess if that's what you like, then you should play it
forest edge
its been awhile
steel urchin
i was getting into minecraft a few months ago but it was on xbox... i have a java server stood up but don't have my gaming rig set up.. office is still all boxes and computer parts everywhere
but we have a few community members on it
forest edge
weren't they suppose to come out with some kind of official rpg thing for minecraft?
like it's own standalone game, not some mod
steel urchin
mm there's a dungeon crawler about to come out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=076mjMOL6R8 is this what you mean?
forest edge
is there no building at all?
scenic radish
Man, good memories from Minecraft
steel urchin
creeper
dunno about building, i haven't actually looked into the game.. not a dungeon crawler gamer, myself
clear ferry
Minecraft 🤢
ocean mirage
Its his job
scenic radish
'pparently
forest edge
🏃♂️
clear ferry
scenic radish
🏃♂️
wet pilot
o/
forest edge
he's got the measles! run!
clear ferry
forest edge
lol some car just slide right up into my yard where my truck was parked prior to me moving it before the temps dropped
valid halo
Atx wouldn't like me after seeing my work space
"your collection of undrunk water bottles concerns me"
steel urchin
well i just lost my god damned mind
valid halo
I'm sorry?
ocean mirage
welcome to the club
clear ferry
You guys have minds?
steel urchin
Not in a few.... Killing it with alcohol
wet pilot
heh Whiskerz still alive
steel urchin
I haven't raged this had in a while
rain swift
home assistant causes me to lose mind sometimes.
steel urchin
The @ mods?
forest edge
eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.. it helps
ocean mirage
sandwish
rain swift
ha ha ha
clear ferry
@mødz
ocean mirage
coward atxbyea 😉
clear ferry
wet pilot
sammich
forest edge
yea im like 2 seconds from not even bothering to correct my typing lol
forest edge
it's been going further and further down hill as the night progresses
clear ferry
Morning you mean
forest edge
night for me
steel urchin
GMT-0 is universal
forest edge
well i guess since it's just past midnight, morning could be accurate lol
ocean mirage
All time zones are valid, except whatever time zone Norwat uses
steel urchin
errr.. are you in mountain time?
ocean mirage
all the mountains are on the same time
forest edge
atx? hes a goat what do you think?
wet pilot
nah, IST is the worst
steel urchin
ocean mirage
that only works if you got broken english
steel urchin
*have
🤣
ok... off HA for the night... onto radarr for possibly more rage inducing fun
you know what.. no.. i'm quitting for the night
just chill moments from here on
ocean mirage
reefer time
wet pilot
🚓
ocean mirage
cops 🤢
forest edge
LG smart front doors..
I like the package drop off part of it tho, thats kind fo neat
steel urchin
those get all kinds of bad reviews though because of failure
wait.. fridges? or are you talking about something else?
on no those are "insta front doors" or something.. nvm
steel urchin
i'm sure it is... i've just had a 48hrs
forest edge
clear ferry
But does it integrate 
wet pilot
that's kinda neat
steel urchin
oooh nice
good price, as well
might get 2
"yo dawg, i heard you like doorbells"
hushed basalt
I don't think amcrest is officially ONVIF
steel urchin
i don't see it listed, just the RTSP
but it doesn't entirely make sense for most doorbells to be ONVIF... PTZ is kinda rare on those aren't they?
i realize there's a lot more to ONVIF
cosmic flint
FWIW, i'm finding the HA + hass.io setup pretty tedious. Just my opinion from a user experience perspective.
wet pilot
hassio is intended to be an appliance
cosmic flint
I can find some integrations on the website, but in the dashboard the same ones aren't there. Even if they require manual installation, having them listed with a link would be greatly beneficial.
I just meant setting up my devices and installing integrations in general.
wet pilot
not all integrations on the site support the methods that allow them to be shown on the "add integration" list
that is a relatively new feature
cosmic flint
And its information like that, that wasn't said to me anywhere..
Its a learn as you go, and not a very good first impression for people who aren't as technically inclined.
cosmic flint
I'm not trying to be insensitive. I just wouldn't recommend this platform to say, someone like my mother.
Things could definitely be a little more clear.
wet pilot
this is also not a GA product yet
i wouldn't trust my mother with it
but i wouldn't trust her with smartthings either
cosmic flint
fair points. lol
I think I'm getting the "gist" of HA. HA is primarily a platform, along with integrations which act as separate programs/services and communicate with HA. The HA dashboard is just a fancy wrapper allowing you to do the dirty stuff more quickly and to give you an overview of the state of things. To do some of the more advanced integrations, you have to drop down to configuration files. That about right?
wet pilot
eh, not really
steel urchin
it's literally ON the screen when you add integrations
cosmic flint
@steel urchin what is?
wet pilot
the integrations thing is very new. The various platforms need to be updated to support it. The most popular integrations are updated first as people who care enough about them will step up to do the work
steel urchin
my build is completely broken, but i swear i saw copy that said "Not all integrations are available through the UI"
cosmic flint
Not everything is possible to configure from the UI yet, but we're working on it.
But that doesnt mean they aren't even in the list.. not even a landing page.
Perhaps the wording should be changed to be more clear?
wet pilot
open a PR
cosmic flint
So quick question, how do the integrations work with HA? I couldnt really find any documentation stating how everything works together. There may be some info to be gained from reading the API but thats generally much more low level than what I'm looking for.
steel urchin
i dunno, that's exactly how i took it? 🤷♂️ but yeah it's a simple copy change... PR should be easy to submit
cosmic flint
Something like, "Not all integrations are available in the UI yet, but we're working on it".
steel urchin
you got got!
cosmic flint
That would cover more cases than just "configuration", it also includes installation.
wet pilot
english isn't the primary language of all the developers. also english is hard
steel urchin
You’ve got to be kidding me. I’ve been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It’s just common sense.
cosmic flint
Please do take these things as constructive criticism. It's stuff im learning as a complete HA noobie.
wet pilot
fresh eyes can clean up a lot of things
but the route to getting it fixed isn't by complaining on this board
velvet horizonBOT
cosmic flint
Good point.
wet pilot
opening an issue on one of those boards is how things get fixed
or opening a feature request on the forums
alternatively, if you are so inclined, you can fix it yourself and open a PR
steel urchin
PR is the most likely to make it's way in
wet pilot
eh, depends
cosmic flint
Once I familiarize myself with the project more, i'll take my list of issues I've run into and help out.
steel urchin
otherwise it goes into a backlog that may never be met
wet pilot
feature requests can be a black-hole unless someone who is also interested decides to pick it up
bugs get triaged and prioritized
steel urchin
that's what i mean, you said it better
wet pilot
but it depends on what it affects though
steel urchin
i told you i was taking shots after every HA boot failure 🤣
clear ferry
I should move from Apache frontend server to nginx proxy
wet pilot
DOIT
cosmic flint
One other question, that I didnt see the answer to. When I update the configuration.yaml file, do I need to restart HA for changes to take effect?
wet pilot
yes*
*for the most part
steel urchin
yeah like 10 years ago 🤣
clear ferry
But, I have to understand the syntax of nginx
steel urchin
i restart every time i do anything
wet pilot
certain things can be re-loaded on the fly
cosmic flint
Generally a good idea to restart anyway?
clear ferry
It's just jibberish
steel urchin
nginx syntax is a BITCH
clear ferry
Agreed
wet pilot
isn't it all LUA?
steel urchin
and there's multiple ways to scope things, it's so annoying
no
it's like a proprietary parsed format
clear ferry
Because my current Apache frontend docker is not very stable when I restart 😛
How long would I take to move to a linuxserver docker nginx I wonder 
wet pilot
@cosmic flint "depends" Automations/scripts/groups (and a few others) can be hot-reloaded via 
> Server Controls
anything else would need a restat
boreal pewter
10 seconds maybe atxblyat
steel urchin
velvet horizonBOT
steel urchin
eyes bleeding emoji
clear ferry
@boreal pewter and 12 hours to translate my config? 😛
All my config is the same for all sites, just has different domains and different redirects
boreal pewter
@clear ferry that could it be. I wouldn't do that tho, the container ships like 50 pre-configured reverse-proxy confs and you can easily copy paste adapt them for ANY service
clear ferry
So if I understand the syntax it should be fast
boreal pewter
Yeah
steel urchin
the LSIO letsencrypt docker has a ton of examples of upstream reverse proxies
cosmic flint
Ahh, thats another thing that wasn't clear to me. Where do I run commands? In the shell of the HA device itself (or through SSH). Do I run them under root? Do I type "login" for the Hass.io, as I did for setting a static IP.
steel urchin
hassio is it's own beast
cosmic flint
Most of the integrations I'm installing are through HA itself. I've only installed two Hass.io plugins.
wet pilot
i have an alias to run the command on my box
wet pilot
an appliance 😛
cosmic flint
How so? Does HA not come with a UI?
wet pilot
it gives you an all in one thing that you don't really have to worry about
wet pilot
you don't need to care about updating the OS and any of the other components, its all provided
cosmic flint
Gotcha.
Coming from a dev/engineering background, I'm fairly used to running linux commands.
steel urchin
vs with docker/etc you piecemeal everything together yourself
cosmic flint
I see integrations as micro-services.
hushed basalt
Go traefik
steel urchin
addons are more like ms
hushed basalt
Change container endpoints dynamically
steel urchin
integrations are more like plugins
they directly integrate
microservices are meant to be run isolated
cosmic flint
From my understanding, integrations are in docker containers. They're isolated.
wet pilot
integrations are executed by HA. Hassio addons run alongside
cosmic flint
Ahhh. This is all making a little more sense.
That's why Node-RED is an addon, because it's technically a very own self powered service (using node.js)
steel urchin
in microservices, your ms should run independent of any other service, and have it's own high availability (a different HA)
hushed basalt
@clear ferry go traefik
wet pilot
yup
hushed basalt
Embrace the docker
steel urchin
exactly
cosmic flint
In theory, I could add a homebridge addon, so that way meanwhile I figure all this out.. my house isnt without automation while I migrate.
wet pilot
yup, but if you're already familar with docker, you can drop hassio and add HA to your docker stack
steel urchin
i've been hanging out here for almost 3 weeks, just started down my own path 3 days ago after reading and reading... somehow completely fubar'd my whole world
after building alexa skills n shit
🤣
steel urchin
all because of the mobile app somehow mucking things up for me... i'm sure it was an unintended workflow of some sort, but i can't pinpoint where it went wrong
cosmic flint
Been there, done that. It's no fun.
wet pilot
that's what you get for jumping to the pre-release version of the mobile app 😛
steel urchin
excuse me z-snaps i was pushed into it
wet pilot
haha
cosmic flint
I used the mobile app, and while the webpage was loaded and Hass.io was doing its install.. it killed the network and things didnt get installed correctly. HA dashboard wouldnt load after that. Just a blank page with a few buttons
steel urchin
maria is going to grow up to do great things
also, one VERY important thing to remember... it's not 1.0 yet
cosmic flint
I had a feeling it was an install related thing.. because my network usage was quite high while the landing/loading page of HA was displayed, and after that it went dead.
clear ferry
Just glancing the lsio nginx I see no option to specify multiple domains
wet pilot
should look at their letsencrypt if you use that service
steel urchin
you specify a server [block] per domain iirc
steel urchin
well in http security a subdomain can be treated as a domain really
wet pilot
so foo.domain.me and domain.me get different servers
steel urchin
yep
wet pilot
but domain.me/bar is a location that can live under domain.me
steel urchin
that's a path descriptor iirc
wet pilot
location
wet pilot
hence the choice of words 😄
wet pilot
haha i have my moments
clear ferry
But, I forward 80 and 443 to a single server today, then the rest happens from their on, so all domains go to the same frontend
Is that not possible with the lsio
wet pilot
it is
clear ferry
steel urchin
it's kinda like port forwarding in a way
if you can guarantee your proxies to exist, you can just use proxy_pass, otherwise you can define upstreams that may have low availability for fallbacks or round robins
you can get weird with it
steel urchin
i'm trying to remember how we did it at one place.. we dynamically defined upstreams based on containers
here we go
go templates blow, but this was fun to fuck with
wet pilot
this is all you really need
set $upstream_gogs gogs;
proxy_pass http://$upstream_gogs:3000;```if you have a finite setup, sure
but in the moment i was dealing with upwards of a few thousand microservices
wet pilot
oh you're saying for spinning up n number of crap at any given moment
wet pilot
hm, ATX could be at that level...
steel urchin
imagine trying to wrap your head around that, and dealing with a few trillion dollars worth of client demands
wifey is making me go to bed... have to go bash some skulls on the other house tomorrow morning
wet pilot
good luck!
wispy shadow
Anyone online?
light trout
no
wispy shadow
Boo
light trout
🤷♂️
orchid rose
velvet horizonBOT
Hey!
wispy shadow
Does this project need any volunteer QA work?
light trout
Are there any that does not?
light trout
I have not seen any that was telling folks to not help out 🤷♂️
wispy shadow
I just want to change careers and get into QA
light trout
https://developers.home-assistant.io/ can be a good start
clever mortar
🤣
wispy shadow
Awesome, Thanks
light trout
currently 0.104 is in beta, so you can jump on that
clever mortar
QA for any open source project is an interesting place to start
You're going to see more coding styles, and personality styles, than you'll hopefully experience in a commercial setting 😛
wispy shadow
I am an interesting person 😉
light trout
In my defence I did not read that line before posting the link
clever mortar
(and by styles, I mean argumentative antisocial flaming assholes)
hushed basalt
So typical developers then
clever mortar
Eh, in a commercial setting those tend to become unemployed
Hostile working environment (at least over this side of the pond) tends to get HR paying attention
light trout
clever mortar
That's terse, not antisocial 😛
hushed basalt
Some of the unemployed devs in my community are interesting cats
And not in a good way
🐈: 💩
wispy shadow
I am a music teacher
clever mortar
This is a hobby, but most folks here (this server, in general) aren't coders
wispy shadow
Are you just cybertransients?
clever mortar
I'm a CyberJOAT
Eh, you lot are outnumbered by the few thousand folks who can barely install HA @light trout @hushed basalt
😛
hushed basalt
But they just come here, ask how to install hassio in docker, then leave
light trout
function DoCode {
Copy()
Paste()
Adjust()
}
DoCode()
Or come back an hour later asking how to install docker
wispy shadow
I just want to fix one bug and claim I have been working on this project for a year and than get a 60k a year job. J/K
but not really
light trout
There are 1500+ "bugs" to choose from, go nuts
wispy shadow
I already found one
light trout
now take 50 more
clever mortar
This Discord server is (mostly) equal quantities of help and snark
wispy shadow
Do any of you actually use HA?
clever mortar
For a bit over 3 years
light trout
Somedays (most of them) the snark has a higher %
I have a few instanses running, have had that for almost 3y, but using it... I gues not 😛
wispy shadow
Its a bit of a clusterfuck
hushed basalt
Most of us spend hundreds of hours of working on HA to save us the hassle of turning on light switches :
:D
clever mortar
Ah, another person who's watched the right films...
It's like writing scripts to automate stuff at work 😉
clever mortar
One to oh FFS
light trout
I had all my bulbs (18) changed to Tradfri, and controlled them with automations after about a half year they all stopped working, after that I mostly gave up on "smart" devices
hushed basalt
Cries in Australian rental
clever mortar
Getting a solid Zigbee or Z-Wave mesh is not trivial
hushed basalt
What is your gateway
hushed basalt
External antenna?
clever mortar
Yup, and CC2530 router
hushed basalt
@clear ferry how is your new zigbee gateway
wispy shadow
I am going to fix all 837 bugs by tomorrow. Clone the app. Call it Oscillon's Wild Ride Home System. Ill make trillions
hushed basalt
I've found a lot more hassle with esphome and tuyaconvert
It's just such an arduous process
wispy shadow
I honestly don't know where to even begin with this
I can tell thats its been a passion project for yall for years
its pretty awesome
Are you working on anything else?
clever mortar
Staying insane
clear ferry
@hushed basalt just did a power off my DC for disaster testing before I leave for the us
And everything came back up automatically
Including the cc1352 with zigbee2mqtt docker 
Still only beta testing it since I don't want to move everything before I leave
scenic radish
*automagically
ocean mirage
Are you in the USA rn
ocean mirage
What city
light trout
Arkham
clever mortar
Say hi to Batman for me 😛
hushed basalt
Going away to Europe for 5 weeks was a test of my high availability
ISP changed my internet on week 4 though. Fuckers
scenic radish
Wut
hushed basalt
Had to reprogram my modem when I got back
Need a bastion station with a 3g usb modem
Or pfsense?
Although good luck getting a ssh into a quadruple NAT'D mobile internet connection
scenic radish
Lmao
hushed basalt
Ipv6 to the rescue?
clever mortar
VPN out to a cloud system
hushed basalt
Yeah I thought of that
But it's academic because I don't want to pay for a data sim or a cloud instance just to sit there ;)
I could have it VPN my mum's router
But eh
Shut up Ted
clear ferry
Lulz mobile broadband
rain swift
Well damnitt, I found something I need root for, using tasker to disable and enable cell data on my phone, jerks.
steel urchin
Whaaa? Android has that built in?
Unless you're saying you WANT to use Tasker?
I think I just read that funny
clear ferry
Disable mobile data? People do that? 😛
rain swift
no I'd rather have android just kick my cell data off when it connects to wifi
yeah, I pay for bucks
buckets*
clear ferry
Pay for stuff?
rain swift
so I don't want to use extra data haha
rain swift
eh, i'd rather pay than have my company pay and call me all the time and stuff, unless someone else just pays for yours
wait, how old are you lol
clear ferry
My company pays, and I block everyone except wife and family while I'm off work 😛
I'm 35 👴
tidal bronze
The lucky ones 😀
clear ferry
We are? 
dull chasm
i am lost .... is this a snowflake thing
dull chasm
are you 50+
clear ferry
only in mind
rain swift
you are damn lucky to have a company pay for your phone but let you not answer their calls after work hours.
you must be really good at what you do.
clear ferry
I feel more gen x 🤔
after hours calls is pretty frowned upon in european work culture anyway
unless you are in an on duty roster
but then we get paid to answer
valid halo
So it's like an american thing to be answering work emails/calls off hours?
clear ferry
I do if I feel like it, or if it is a good collegue
rain swift
must be nice, but i'm not willing to take all of the downsides of living in any country that isn't america lol
clear ferry
if it is sales I usually go /ignore
scenic radish
@clear ferry you're 35?
dull chasm
yes he is a mil/snowflake
valid halo
speaking of phones. I saw a Galaxy Fold at my local best buy the other day
such a big screen
but so fragile
clear ferry
I'm an old fart yes @scenic radish
scenic radish
Guess I even more of a ❄️ since I'm 27
dull chasm
yep ^^^^
rain swift
oof
dull chasm
damn double points ^^^^^
clear ferry
I bought my first house when I was 24 🤣
valid halo
Look upon my works ye mighty and despair
dull chasm
18
scenic radish
@dull chasm 🆗 💥 🇪 🇷
valid halo
18 years old and buying a house
dull chasm
beat you by 6
rain swift
could be a cardboard box
light trout
if I ever get arouund to that I'm probably 60+
dull chasm
and in a foriegn country at that
rain swift
or a roach motel
scenic radish
I own a condo at least
rain swift
lmao
i'd never own a condo, whats the point
I want a yard at least, and preferably a few acres
scenic radish
Couldn't afford a house
valid halo
It's nice to not have to maintain the outside?
valid halo
Paying other people to do stuff is 👌
scenic radish
I have a pretty big balcony though. And I'm at least putting money toward equity
clear ferry
speaking of equity, I have like $17000 in stock somewhere
I need to figure out how to cash it out
stock and equity is so upper class or murica
I just get random amounts of stock every year 🤣
proper swift
ok.. built my little box to control the alarm clock, now to write an automation
rain swift
I mean you could drop over dead tomorrow and then it doesn't matter, so there's that lol.
clear ferry
valid halo
Uh
I have some money saved up
Yay me?
that's why when I die all my money is gonna be buried with me
so that no one else can have it
-MAXIMUM MISER-
clear ferry
I'll probably die tomorrow now that you said it @rain swift
remember that when you feel guilt
forest edge
holy snowing like crazy
rain swift
I'm sure the rich elite have already done that, or something close to it.
scenic radish
Snowed like crazy?
past idol
hello, anyone has about 20 seconds of his/her precious time to help me out? I need to name a domain and I have a few ideas, yet cannot choose, so I made a list. It is doable in 10 seconds technically. I would apprecaite any help
rain swift
snowed, plowed, potato potato
I just realized they have home automation in harry potter
midnight adder
i invested my mortgage to gaycoin
scenic radish
What is going on lol
midnight adder
only worry is that I didnt invest more
clear ferry
valid halo
plz be joking
Crypto is like playing the lottery
You throw money at it
and hope you win big
midnight adder
?
gaycoin has stable future
sits on stable €0.02 EUR at the moment, iäm happy with me decision
clear ferry
forest edge
@past idol post-a-note them to a wall and blindfold throw a dart to choose
looks like a winter f-fest outside. neighbors all freaking out lol
scenic radish
Everyone is strange today. And this is coming from me
proper swift
the bugs! they are everywhere! in the snow! with my list of coins!
forest edge
@clear ferry was born that way, we can't change him
past idol
@forest edge haha, that sounds a fair solution
midnight adder
oi lads, this is sonoff ifan03. i'm trying to identify if there are free gpio pins to stuck my own sensor there. what is the meaning of "TP"
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/18605148/60994966-8c059300-a31f-11e9-82ff-783a13574e1d.jpg
orig. is sharp high res
clever mortar
I'd ask in #diy-archived
midnight adder
😋
clear ferry
I should order a vi mug
wet pilot
:wq
clear ferry
:q!
scenic radish
nano master race
clever mortar
nano, for when you don't need anything more powerful than notepad 😛
scenic radish
Heh shit
clear ferry
@steel urchin I've blocked my roborock in the firewall now, let's see what happens
light trout
Instead of cleaning, it wil not make it messier
wet pilot
it'll go find the nearest dog turd and smear it across your whole house
clear ferry
Shouldn't be hard, there are twice the number of dogs as children in the neighborhood
steel urchin
i mean i've pulled the modem's power and it stopped responding for me 🤷♂️ that was all my experience what that so far...
clear ferry
I blocked it, and it still responds to HA
proper swift
everyone knows emacs is superior in every way to vi
clear ferry
Yes, pfsense is the holy handgrenade of Antioch
valid halo
I thought emacs was an operating system
valid halo
I remember from my time using it
hitting ctrl-x all the time in the tutorial made me never want to use it again
brisk glen
You need to put it on its own vlan if you want to isolate it locally
clear ferry
@brisk glen can't see the map anymore in the mi home app, and all my Xiaomi devices are offline there too, I blocked the gateway at the same time
brisk glen
All you did was block it at the router/firewall level
It can still do shit at layer 2
clear ferry
I need to put it in its own L2 because blocking it talking over L3 isn't enough? That... Sounds very interesting...
clear ferry
How is it taking over L2 when there is a L3 device in between? That sounds... Improbable
clear ferry
Are you saying it is piggybacking on other devices?
brisk glen
So it’s directly connected to the pósense thing?
(Yay iOS autocorrect)
Or is it on a wireless AP that’s on a switch
clear ferry
Ap - switch L2 - switch L2 - router - wan
brisk glen
pfsense is your router?
clear ferry
Yes
brisk glen
yah, its communicating over layer 2
the router is your gateway
never needs to touch the gateway when its on the same subnet
make a block all lans group
clear ferry
I have worked with networking for 20 years, and what you are saying just doesn't make sense, if you are saying it is still calling home 😛
brisk glen
um..
clear ferry
Yes, I already do that by default in pfsense
brisk glen
if it does not need to reach the gateway, then how can pfsense block across your lan it if its not handling the traffic
clear ferry
brisk glen
192.168.1.44/24 can talk to 192.168.1.54/24 without a router
arp request who has this ip... arp reply ME! ME! here is my mac
layer 2
none if that involves the router, its broadcasts
thus why you need to shove the device on its own subnet, now it has to go through the router to be routed to the other lans
scenic radish
Ngl the first time I used tshark I legit laughed out loud when I saw
Who has 10.0.0.1? Tell 10.0.0.x
lol
clear ferry
But are you saying it still phones home, or that it still probes my network 😛
scenic radish
I seriously thought it was hilarious