the-water-cooler

[clear ferry]

My smart ha integrated irrigation and greenhouse will serve as an inspiration for you surely

[last dirge]

ah

[scenic radish]

last thursday lmao

[peak cloud]

BRUH! I've been away hunting for a week!

[steel urchin]

hey at least he followed up!

[peak cloud]

I just got back Monday and have been busy catching up with housework.

[clear ferry]

Just 9d12h to takeoff

[peak cloud]

And yes, on the vaping topic, I might have a bit of knowledge in that field, depending on what it is. I've owned a vape shop for the past 9 years.

[clear ferry]

[peak cloud]

That response was in regards to: https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/397426163649216512/663137399462690847

[forest edge]

Does it get egged by angry parents?

[peak cloud]

No. We check ID and do not sell to <21.

Some parents try to come in to buy stuff for their kids, and make the mistake of telling us what they're doing. We don't cater to that, either.

[forest edge]

I think we had like 3 vape stores vandalized after the whole teen vape thing blew up. Nuts

[steel urchin]

ohhhhh shit yes https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/hydrawise/

i'm in like flynn! as soon as i figure it out

[clear ferry]

They actually allowed vape in Norway from new year this year

Norwegians have driven to Sweden to buy earlier

[steel urchin]

owned a vape shop? neat! is cbd a valid revenue?

[clear ferry]

But we have had snus since the 60s that kids have used, so not a lot of controversy

[forest edge]

I figured Norway wouldn't bother with vaping with pot already being established lol

[scenic radish]

Norwat

[forest edge]

Nortwat

[clear ferry]

Pot is not legal

[scenic radish]

🚱

[clear ferry]

If that was what you meant

[forest edge]

Who's gon a stop you?

[clear ferry]

The law 😛

[peak cloud]

🚓

[clear ferry]

🚔

[low harness]

By the way @clear ferry, did you drive through Norje on your way here or back?

[forest edge]

So you go and feed ducks and smoke pot. Where's the downside again? Lol

[clear ferry]

Not that I noticed ? @low harness

[scenic radish]

i fought the law and the... law won

[low harness]

It's not the kind of place you notice... but I'd guess you didn't anyway.

It's mostly just a funny name

[clear ferry]

It's like a comedian from my home town said roughly translated Sometimes you just have to go back and visit the shit holes were you come from and Norway and Sweden has a lot of those 😛

Aye, since it is the way you Swedes pronounce Norge i reckon? 😂

[low harness]

Almost. Slightly longer o in Norje.

[clear ferry]

Nörjë är än fin plæss

be cool, let's confuse the muricans

[forest edge]

I can't understand you which angers me! Jk

[clear ferry]

Typically

[forest edge]

Beat you up for being different from I!

[clear ferry]

Fun fact, probably because a lot of them immigrated to the us, and some came back,people from Sunnmøre in Norway say I when referring to themselves

Instead of Jeg, Meg, Eg, Æ and other versions Norwegians use

[forest edge]

We say it when we want to sound fancy or diffrent

[clear ferry]

But you say it in every sentence, like I love Tediore

[forest edge]

There is difference on how it's used

[clear ferry]

In Norwegian it would be Jeg elsker Tediore but they say I elsker Tediore

[scenic radish]

aww 😍

[clear ferry]

[smoky oxide]

eh, you guys drive past me without sayign anything ??

lives 30 minutes from Norje ;)

[low harness]

Really? Where?

[smoky oxide]

Olofström

[low harness]

Neat. I'm from Karlskrona.

S/from/in

[smoky oxide]

cool

[clear ferry]

And i work all over Scandinavia

[scenic radish]

neato 🌯

[clear ferry]

Löök öüt it is thë müricän, hidë my randy scandys

[scenic radish]

lämp bröther

[clear ferry]

[steel urchin]

||Ď̵͜ö̴̎n̸̄͘'̷͂̉t̶̑͊ ̸͐͘s̵̓̍p̶̭̓ȅ̶̼a̸͗͛k̵͑̏ ̶̈́̾t̷͊͋ỏ̶̑ ̶͚͂m̷̀̚è̴͑ ̵͑͝ï̴̭n̵͛̌ ̵̲̋ḟ̷̣u̵̫̚n̷̉͊k̵͆͛y̴̿͝ ̶̺̓c̶̉͗h̶̀̈a̸̔̏r̴̾͝â̴̺c̸͒̚ṱ̸̒ȅ̴̓r̷̿͘s̵̛̙||

damn that is hideous

[velvet horizon]

@steel urchin Rule #6: Spam will not be tolerated, including but not limited to: self-promotion, flooding, codewalls (longer than 15 lines) and unapproved bots.

Please take the time now to review all of the rules and references in #rules.

Command '.spam' was invoked by: Tediore

[scenic radish]

Jk obvi

[steel urchin]

lol the spam master calllin me out

[unkempt rune]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2gyzKcHbYfqoXA5xbyGXtQ

[steel urchin]

is this guy new?

[hushed basalt]

Eh this rental house has only one solenoid for the whole garden

Front and back, and verge

Cheap cheap

Makes automating it seem less attractive

No master solenoid either

One failed switch and it's by by gardens

[steel urchin]

that would suck

[hushed basalt]

Speaking of switches, is 10G over rj45 just a bad concept

Especially u/utp

[opaque oracle]

i think you will not get those speeds with utp

too much interference on the way, if we are talking about longer than ~15 feet/5 meters.

spelling like crap today :S

😫

[scenic radish]

I thought you said "smelling like crap today" lol

[opaque oracle]

rofl

😄

to tired for this shit 🙂

sleepy sleepy. night!

[brisk glen]

When using CAT6 cables, 10Gbps is supported only for up to 55 meters, whereas CAT7 cabling can provide 10Gbps support for up to 100 meters.

@opaque oracle works

[upbeat anchor]

With Cat6a the 100m should be possible as well.

[hushed basalt]

Have you seen the real world cat6 installations though

Especially outside data centres

[upbeat anchor]

cat6 no, cat6A yes

[hushed basalt]

As in it's never installed to spec

[upbeat anchor]

Generally I agree, but I was lucky on contractors so far.

[hushed basalt]

I just think multimode has a much better safety margin

Nothing worse than random packets going into a black hole

[brisk glen]

@hushed basalt my apartment

😛

[forest edge]

really wasn't expecting these shellies to be running as warm as they do

I guess it makes sense wifi and all

[hushed basalt]

@brisk glen : 🥁

But rj45 sfp+ modules are considerably more expensive too

[unkempt bronze]

Anyone here run a management VLAN and if so what all do you have in it? Trying to decide if USG and APs belong in it with my switches.

[brisk glen]

yes and yes

I have a management vlan just for my networking gear

[unkempt bronze]

And then you just tag the Wireless Networks with the corresponding VLAN?

That way the actual AP is in the Management VLAN but the clients that connect to various SSIDs are tagged with different VLANs?

[brisk glen]

yep, or they default to vlan 1

you have a trunk link to the AP/switch etc @unkempt bronze

[unkempt bronze]

Think that makes sense. Anyway to override the default VLAN 1 to my management vlan? Changed it to VLAN 10

[brisk glen]

cant change native

devices have to be adopted over vlan 1 before they can be moved to the management vlan

just go to the device / config / services and change the management vlan

I have 10 vlans at home 😛

[unkempt bronze]

Gotcha. Worth it to change my USG's IP to the same subnet as my management VLAN or not really?

[brisk glen]

its your router..... it has an ip on all vlans

[unkempt bronze]

🤦‍♂️

That makes sense. Doh

I guess I was trying to get rid of my 192.168.1.1/24 network in my Unifi controller.

Not sure what happens if I just delete it

Annnnnd you can't

[brisk glen]

you can change its ip scheme but its forever vlan 1

you must have a vlan 1

[steel urchin]

10 vlans, jesus man

you selling bandwidth over there?

[unkempt bronze]

I see now. So don't worry about the USG IP. Thanks for steering me in the right direction

Maybe I'll flip the management back to vlan 1

[brisk glen]

@unkempt bronze keep them on the management vlan and firewall them off

@steel urchin no?

[steel urchin]

#overEngineered

[unkempt bronze]

@brisk glen vlan 1 = management in most cases?

[steel urchin]

but power to ya man

[brisk glen]

vlan 1 = native untagged vlan

@steel urchin firewalled

I do not want UPnP enabled for my entire network

why there is a gaming vlan

no way in hell I want guests on my lan.... thats now 3

keep IoT off my lan as well... security is iffy... 4

hey look, I have a device or 2 that can be touched by the internet publicly by potentially anyone, gets its own vlan and firewall like the rest

[forest edge]

everytime i look in this chat lol

[scenic radish]

I need to get an edgerouter x

[brisk glen]

once I get wifi outlets.... thats another vlan

[forest edge]

real men put every single devvice on it's own vlan.. just sayin..

[scenic radish]

You get a VLAN and YOU get a VLAN...

[forest edge]

I wish the stupid myq had a local option

[scenic radish]

Wish in one hand, shit in the other. See which one fills up first.

Words of wisdom from my father lol

[forest edge]

did he drown in wishes?

[scenic radish]

In shit

[forest edge]

that sucks.. I personally would have stopped squatting when i realized the balance was going off kilter lol

sometimes you gotta pucker up when the wishes slow down

[scenic radish]

He had issues with balance, way to be insensitive, damn

[steel urchin]

i wish that, too @forest edge , but really surprised at how well the integration works

[forest edge]

it works.. but the timing is random lol sometimes it's quick other times it can take more seconds then you like, especially when you are triggering lights off the state of the door lol

thats the annoying part

oh look the door has been open for 10 seconds.. and here comes on the light

[scenic radish]

But yeah not sure why more companies don't create local APIs

I'm guessing it's easier to deploy a cloud solution

[forest edge]

the cloud revolution is annoying

[brisk glen]

Seconds?

Pfft

HomeKit with Mdns reflections

Keep everything local and fast

[forest edge]

I don't think the myq works with homekit anymore, older version did

use to be a sperate device you had to buy which gave it local control from the homekit hub but they had since intergarted a means of dealing with appl without needing to do that so the local control is forever gone

bastards even made you pay a monthly to use crap like IFTTT which also required you to buy the homekit device beforehand

[brisk glen]

Yah... hello no

Ifttt is too slow

[scenic radish]

IFTTT 🤢

[forest edge]

I had to use IFTTT to control my lights for like 2 weeks till someone knew how to modify the flux_led component lol

was a nightmare

[brisk glen]

30s lag lol

[scenic radish]

Oof

[forest edge]

https://www.mcafee.com/blogs/other-blogs/mcafee-labs/we-be-jammin-bypassing-chamberlain-myq-garage-doors/

I think this is a bit elaborate lol

but it did squash any hopes of local api lol

[raven ember]

There was someone here who had a similar situation and I think they just soldered the button contacts to a dry contact relay

[forest edge]

that dosen't work on all the newer garage doors

[hushed basalt]

Like if you literally solder onto a fob?

That should work shouldn't it?

[raven ember]

You have a button in your garage that you press, don't you?

[forest edge]

I haven't actually tried mine but from what I been reading if you have a door opener where the learn button is like purple or red or orange and the wall button can toggle more than just the door (lights, lockout ect) then shorting the contacts dosen't open the door

theres some kind of logic involved with the signal

[raven ember]

Not the contacts on the button box.

Wire into the button itself

[forest edge]

I was refering to shorting the wires

thats comes off the opener itself

[raven ember]

I know that a lot of wired garage door buttons have two terminals that you wire into the control wires going to the garage door. Those control signals are encoded these days. But someone here actually wired into the contacts of the button

[forest edge]

ohhh

[raven ember]

That's just a short

[forest edge]

I see what your saying

yea I saw a few posts on that

I didn't really want some frankstien lookin thing hanging off my wall which is what i was afraid it would look like if i had did that lol

[raven ember]

Doesn't need to be Frankenstein. You can do it with a physically modified Sonoff Basic, or use a Shelly One, or build your own inside an enclosure with something like a Wemos Mini D1 + 5v relay

I'd try using a Shelly One

[forest edge]

downside is you lose monitoring the state of the door unless you use an additional sensor

[raven ember]

Which I would trust more than the cloud

[steel urchin]

the switch actually uses PWM to do certain signals, such as going into discovery, but i'm pretty sure you can short the main wires and it will operate

[forest edge]

try it and let us know

cause I was afraid of buirning something out lol

[steel urchin]

i'm not the one bitching about the integration 😛

[forest edge]

my wall switch lights up so there is power lol

oh you will

you wil..

[steel urchin]

mine has been damn near instant when i push a button in HA, but i havne't tried anything fancy

[raven ember]

You can install a set of reed switches, or if you have z-wave use something like this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MRZB0NT

[forest edge]

I thought about using a pi with a first gen camera used as a makeshift sensor lol

[raven ember]

Using a Pi for sensors is a bad idea

Pi's don't handle power loss well

[forest edge]

I know

[steel urchin]

https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/332357267364249621/654061630656610334

[forest edge]

which is why it was a "thought" lol

[steel urchin]

i knew someone had mentioend it

[scenic radish]

Surprisingly I haven't had any issues with the dozen or so power loss events my pi has experienced in the last year

Now I have a UPS though

[steel urchin]

a couple 9v taped together doesn't cut it?

[scenic radish]

Kek

[hushed basalt]

I have an esp8266 with a relay and reed switch

I put the reed switch on the door/floor in the closed position

[forest edge]

yea if the contact shorting worked i would just a shelly on it with a reed switch

battery would last longer in the reed switch than the one in the tilt sensor as well lol

[hushed basalt]

Yeah garage door companies probably want you to buy their expensive wall switches

Instead of just using a $1 bell button

[forest edge]

I went out there to smoke and triggered the door to trigger my light automation, door opened and I stood there in the dark for 15 whole second sbefore the light came on.. unacceptable

[hushed basalt]

Vote with your wallet

...

And start a billion dollar company and make a hostile takeover of their company, then change all their garage door openers to use local REST APIs

[forest edge]

that would require you to buy a new myq unit tho

[scenic radish]

Give REST or we RIOT

[forest edge]

according to that article i linked above, don't think the myq could be updated to that degree over wifi lol

[hushed basalt]

Ethernet would be nice

Or at least two seperate contact terminals..one for open door and one for close door

Instead of toggling

So they can be safely triggered without having to get the current state/transition of the door

[forest edge]

wtf lol

[scenic radish]

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

[hushed basalt]

If you have a garage door motor

[forest edge]

that thing scares me

[hushed basalt]

It already has logic/sensors inside it to make the door do what you want, and know when it's open or closed or half way

It seems a shame to throw all of that away

[forest edge]

I thought about slapping a power monitor on the plug to determine activvity lol

[hushed basalt]

Basically the idea is to state your desired state, not tell the door what to do

So if you send a command "I want the door to be closed"

Rather than "close the door"

Very fundamentally different things

That's the way HA garage door covers work too

They have open/close, not trigger door opener

[near ether]

Hi all! Brand new to HA. Got a Rpi4 for Christmas and installed hassio. Excited about getting into HA!

[scenic radish]

FORBIDDEN TOPIC

INITIATE REEEEEE PROTOCOL

[hushed basalt]

You're a forbidden topic

[raven ember]

Eagle Quest, don't be scared away. It's just late and these guys are a little slap happy

[scenic radish]

reeeee

Be very scared

[hushed basalt]

Haven't you heard

Bird is the word

[scenic radish]

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

[hushed basalt]

🐦

[near ether]

I got everything up and running and enabled remote access using DuckDNS and NGINX. Having issues getting the mobile apps to work on ios and android.

[hushed basalt]

#330944238910963714

:)

[near ether]

No worries! 🙂

[raven ember]

Eagle Quest, check out the #330944238910963714 - people here like to keep the channels on topic

[scenic radish]

Probably the respective app channels #ios_and_mac-archived #android-archived

Depending on what the issue is

[near ether]

Got it. Thanks!

[scenic radish]

But welcome.

hey guys

[forest edge]

@steel urchin does your garage door move fast or slow?

mine might be alittle fast, may be part of my issue

[steel urchin]

i mean, it's a chain operator, not a star trek space door 🤣 i dunno how to answer that

[scenic radish]

What's the 0-60 time

[steel urchin]

i don't think you can control the door speed, just the force

[forest edge]

I thought you could control speed

it's been many a tediore since i installed my garage door opener, i don't remember

[scenic radish]

You rang?

Do I need to send the jinja again

[steel urchin]

i know you can set the travel and force, that's all i'm aware of, but i'm not sure

[forest edge]

I noticed the stupid tilt sensor didn't bother to update the hub till like 3 seconds after the door was fully opened so I know that's the culprit, but the solution i don't know

[steel urchin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nd9DtDdb_M

and the force are lil knobs on the unit

[forest edge]

yea i don't have those fancy buttons lol

[steel urchin]

oh, mine does, and it seems that's all you can set

[forest edge]

once the bottom panel starts to crinkle thats when the door knows it's closed

[steel urchin]

lol

[steel urchin]

i'm just going to leave this here: https://www.businessinsider.com/tiktok-security-flaws-hackers-could-access-personal-user-data-videos-2020-1/

[hushed basalt]

Wtf is tiktok

[steel urchin]

now we know who lives in a cave

[hushed basalt]

I have no idea what it is

[forest edge]

don't feel bad, aside from what little media about it that escapes it's depths of hell I know little about it as well lol

[steel urchin]

it's like vine in a way, but... more awkward

[hushed basalt]

Vine?

[steel urchin]

lol i would say go outside once in a while, but... i guess that doesn't entirely apply here

just hope it shuts down and we're all good

[forest edge]

lol yea it's those who never seen the sun that seen tiktok

this guy would break my bank cause he has so many cool dyi projects https://youtu.be/VUqOIPVbeF0

[scenic radish]

Oh yeah digiblur?

[forest edge]

yea he has some clever ideas like how he choose to monitor his washer/dryer using clamps rather than like smart plugs with PM

[wet pilot]

@hushed basalt new spying social network provided by your country's overlord

[steel urchin]

hehe wifey is super happy i figured the alexa integration out

she seems to really love the all lights group 🤣

[wet pilot]

WAF is super high with the voice things

[steel urchin]

yup

[wet pilot]

i created a few scenes lately and she really likes them

[steel urchin]

yeah that's next

and, to get rid of this shite IQ Panel

[forest edge]

what they haven't realized yet is the garage door opens too lol

[steel urchin]

lol not on all lights

that'd be funny

although i did say "turn off living room lights" and it killed the fan

[wet pilot]

hmm, do they have a concept of device types?

[steel urchin]

it definitely appears so, but it's not editable

it didn't group it in any way, which is interesting... and the Lamp is still on the other controller in teh IQ Panel (i'll move it over tomorrow)

[wet pilot]

hm, at least you can control the speed from the app. that doesn't behave on google (voice works though)

[hushed basalt]

Two people I know have houses recently built and came with touch panels

[wet pilot]

crestron?

[hushed basalt]

But I'm pretty sure their some closed loop system with no internet connectivity

Or wifi etc

No idea

I think it's all white label stuff

[wet pilot]

lame

crestron would be pretty amazing but obscenely expensive

[steel urchin]

this is what i have https://qolsys.com/iq-panel-2-plus/

[forest edge]

I like those inset switch touch things, those little things but never been a fan of a tablet mounted on a wall

[wet pilot]

could be useful for an alarm panel of sorts

[forest edge]

guess i should update from 103.4 to 103.6

or maybe i'll wait till 104 lol

[steel urchin]

inset switch touch things... what's that mean

@wet pilot not really because the digitizer on it is trash

i've had issues disarming

[wet pilot]

oh, i was referring to wall tablets generically

[steel urchin]

and i don't even have an alarm, so speed wasn't even a concern

oh, yeah

i'm goign to replace it with a tablet, with HACS

[forest edge]

they make commercial products like this https://i.imgur.com/QBBwUsd.jpg

you usually see them offices ect

[steel urchin]

that's actually a diy project

[forest edge]

yes im aware what i linked is a dyi

but they make actual products just like that lol

that drop in a single or even double gang

[steel urchin]

don't think that's robust enough for me

looks like my panel goes about for about $300 on fleabay, that's a good start for a decent tablet

[forest edge]

most of what you see is to control some proprietary system but i'm sure they make something that has wifi abilities ect

[steel urchin]

or.. android tablet...

[wet pilot]

or maybe an older android phone

[steel urchin]

yeah i'll start with that, i have the older one plus' laying around

[forest edge]

for to use as a wall mounted thing?

phones don't hold up well always plugged in and on lol

[steel urchin]

no, those would be purely handheld, too small for a wall unit

[forest edge]

oh

I got a stack of smartphones if you need one lol

[steel urchin]

i'm gonna start with just my OP2, and then upgrade from there... i def wanna go tablet

better for audio and video controller

ok, i took some diphenhydramine hcl and it's kicking in

gonna go crash since i've not really slept in 2 days

[forest edge]

\o

[boreal pewter]

Don't forget to pre-order the new Lambo Huracan Evo, finally a decent car with Alexa support

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/C_RjYCd_Rbw 🤢

[boreal pewter]

Alexa set speed to 300km/h

[forest edge]

"Alexa I'm dumb!" "OK steering off cliff"

[boreal pewter]

Alexa disable brakes

[pallid echo]

Hi everyone, did not find the best channel to ask for that, but, is it only me or the website is broken at the moment ? The theme seems to be broken (no 404 on any css) (firefox, no cache)

[hushed basalt]

Alexa, kill John Connor

[forest edge]

"OK playing Grandma by the Condors"

[clear ferry]

I love it when my Google home picks up something out of nowhere

Then just tells me random stuff about it

[forest edge]

like a dead animal on the side of the road? it's life history and family members.. how much trash it ate and if it had bad teeth?

[clear ferry]

Don't talk about @scenic radish like that

[pearl nymph]

Hi all, I'm looking to get some BLE Beacons around the house for presence detection. Read a lot about https://www.happybubbles.tech/ but they are out of business. So what is an other good option to get?

[clear ferry]

Check out tinkerers blog about monitor

[velvet horizon]

His GitHub and his blog

Command '.tinkerer' was invoked by: atxbyea

[ruby agate]

yep, not working for me either

[forest edge]

sites been working for me

what browser you using?

[shell vessel]

Try a refresh

a force reload

[ruby agate]

@shell vessel neither refresh, cookie clear, disabling cache etc. work

[clear ferry]

Everything works fine here, probably your country blocking the world's greatest software in fear of it becoming popular

The Great firewall of... Poland?

I'm not entirely sure of the names origin

Nnnnfh

I need this

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/ekyn9f/this_is_my_magic_mirror_powered_by_home_assistant/

[hushed basalt]

I should make a homeassistant meetup for Perth

Start selling licenses :D

It's h0meassistant, totally different

[clear ferry]

Hömëãssistænt you mean

[hushed basalt]

Homers assistant

Lisa needs braces

[clear ferry]

https://media.tenor.com/images/9c619530a1492ace376eb9986323acbf/tenor.gif

That was the worst image ever

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/el15oj/so_is_99_of_this_sub_single_males_over_30_who/

😂

[pearl nymph]

Thanks @clear ferry

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/y0lzx4kyqo941.jpg

[pallid echo]

Site back on track (for me, at least)

[clear ferry]

Is this yours @clever mortar ? https://i.redd.it/tn4dir8vmn941.jpg

[velvet horizon]

Tinkerer is away for 15h 20m 12s with a message :point_right: Warming up the orbital mind control lasers

[hushed basalt]

Could fit a samsung t5 nicely in there

[pearl nymph]

Anyone knows if a NFC zigbee reader exists?

[hushed basalt]

I'm not sure

Something like that would likely need power

So may as well go wifi or ethernet etc

[last dirge]

@hushed basalt I think they meant the other way around

a NFC reader

that speaks Zigbee

not an inductive powered Zigbee device

@pearl nymph yes?

[pearl nymph]

Yes, so basically if I buy a nfc ring i can put it against let's say a nfc reader in the livingroom and it will send something to HA or something else to turn on the TV

Maybe I'm saying something really stupid, but i dunno

[last dirge]

it'd probably be a lot easier to find a NFC reader with TTL logic that an ESP board could receive

then spit that over HTTP

like so https://www.hackster.io/condorapps1/nfc-controller-for-osc-a8aef1

or alternately you could get an xBee radio AND that setup and have the ESP send the zigbee command via the xBee

[pearl nymph]

Thanks I'm gonna take a look 🙂

[last dirge]

all of that requires at least SOME coding knowledge

[pearl nymph]

Well I haven't dived into ESP that much yet haha

[last dirge]

the code on that link looks dead simple though

and you'd not want to do all the stuff it's doing for message manipulation

you'd most likely just want it to send a message that would be a unique id for the reader plus whatever tag it read

[inner vault]

anyone have a good idiots guide to ESP - My home electricity is dual rate, and the rate changes based on the temperature (-12°c and below, it gets much more expensive) There's a thermostat outside my electric meter, that reads back into the house and turns on a LED near my electric panel to indicate the rate change (and also swap my heating from electric to oil) - I'd like to tap into it and read it with a nodemcu running esphome as a sensor that I can read to tell me "electricity is expensive now!" I just don't know where to start with the pins or the differences between pulling high/low etc. I'm reasonably sure it's possible but don't know what I'm looking for.

[hushed basalt]

Try #diy-archived

By esphome is a good place tl start

[dusky plank]

@inner vault why don't you use a weather component?

[inner vault]

@dusky plank I want the actual real data since it's based on a thermostat attached to the side of my house

that sends a signal to my electric meter

[dusky plank]

and you want to read the signal from the electric meter? does it have serial port?

[inner vault]

it seems to be just a relay type system, I posted a picture in #diy-archived

[dusky plank]

I think you can achieve that with arduino/rpi and a transistor, maybe depending on the voltage/current you can also use a wireless switch and use that

[inner vault]

basically the thermostat tells my smartmeter (which I have no actual access to) to charge the increased rate (confimed because there is another light that lights up on the meter itself when the threshold changes) but the thermostat also sends voltage into my house connected to my dual energy furnace and this pilot light type LED to indicate that the rate is increased

[dusky plank]

what is it? 12v dc?

[inner vault]

I only checked the volts across the led and it seems like 0.5 which I'm not even sure makes sense

[dusky plank]

hm not sure i believe LEDs start with about 2.7-3v depending on color 😄

[inner vault]

now it's warmed up enough that I can't check again haha

[dusky plank]

goddamn

[inner vault]

there is also a minor amount of not wanting to tamper too much with things installed by the electric company

[last dirge]

you said it "changes from electric to oil" heating

that means there's a switch somewhere, right?

do you know what's coming out of that switch?

AC/DC?

what voltage?

you can probably get an inductive current clamp to go on the line that comes out that "turns on the oil heating" to know when the oil heater is on

there's an ESPHome component for a common current clamp

https://esphome.io/components/sensor/ct_clamp.html

[proper swift]

If you muck with the LED, and start attaching wires and an ESP, will the utility company consider that meter tampering?

maybe you'd be better off just taping a light sensor right to the LED and enclosing it so the sensor can read only the LED?

[last dirge]

the way I suggested is completely non-contact

depending on how the wire to the LED from the meter is run you could also potentially put the current clamp on that

it'll be a miniscule amount of current so you'd have to loop the wire through the clamp multiple times to get a consistent reading

[dusky plank]

@inner vault just get a wireless sensor 😛 theres lots of z-wave/zigbee/wifi senors 🙂

[inner vault]

still doesn't fix the wanting the actual system change notification, but yeah

[last dirge]

@inner vault read through what I wrote

[inner vault]

@last dirge ah neat! missed that

[dusky plank]

you can also go crazy and setup a usb webcam with the motionproject and have it watch your LED for brightness change 😛

[rotund nest]

@inner vault I have the exact same setup as you and was totally thinking about doing the same thing yesterday. We must live close to each other 😉 Adding this in my list of todos

[inner vault]

@rotund nest I'm just assuming by your name that you're in La Belle Province 😉

[rain swift]

I open a ticket with the msp that manages our network and a particular UPS, I need them to disable sslv2 and 3 and I don't have access. They come back and ask me the IP and mac of the device and I'm thinking....do you not know how to ping an IP? I gave them the dns name.

[proper swift]

network people hate names, and do not recognize them as valid addresses. 🙂

[last dirge]

could be natted 🙂

[rain swift]

hahaha

I see amazon has tons of new smart stuff out, do they do smart plugs yet? lol.

[scenic radish]

yeah they do

they were $1 recently with a code. no forbidden topic support though

can't tuya-convert either, otherwise i would have bought all of them

[rain swift]

boooooo

lol all of them

[scenic radish]

@last dirge what does natty light have to do with IP addresses?

[last dirge]

depends on how much you've had

[scenic radish]

hopefully None

[rain swift]

lmao

this could be cool for the bathroom. https://www.amazon.com/Echo-Flex/dp/B07MLY3JKV?ref_=ast_bbp_dp&th=1&psc=1

[scenic radish]

the only time i've ever bought natty light is to play boom cup

[rain swift]

wonder if it has forbidden topic support lol

[scenic radish]

there's an amazon echo #609399695466430465

and it was $14 for an 18 pack lol

[last dirge]

sounds sound sweet through the Echo Flex

gonna spin you around and throw you in a hex

[scenic radish]

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[last dirge]

not a Beastie Boys fan?

[scenic radish]

ehh not really lol

intergalactic is kinda funny though

[rain swift]

would love to have a motion sensor in the on suite that turns the hue bulb on and off

and playing stuff through it would be a bonus

[scenic radish]

if there's a shower you'd need to work in logic for that

[dusky plank]

anybody here with a smart mirror?

[rain swift]

yes

[scenic radish]

so it doesn't go dark when in the shower lol

[rain swift]

maybe an input_boolean over-ride

[scenic radish]

but then you've gone back to manual control, might as well use the light switch 😉

[rain swift]

true

well, smart bulbs draw so little power, most of them are just always on when we are home

[last dirge]

ensuite?

[scenic radish]

hopefully they're all always on

master bath @last dirge

[rain swift]

I have a hue remote in that bathroom though

well I have some scripts like when we leave the house or come home or when we go to sleep and wake up

[scenic radish]

oh i thought you meant receiving mains power

that only most of them are always "on"

[rain swift]

nah lol

all of my lights are smart except the kitchen

which has those long tubes

[scenic radish]

ah the fluorescent ones

longbois

[rain swift]

and the wifes bathroom cuz she wanted special super bright crap

I guess you need it to be like the sun when you put on makeup

I have 1 bulb in my bathroom, it's plenty

[scenic radish]

well bathroom lighting is considered task lighting

so it should be bright

[rain swift]

I love the making bedroom light go warm white and slowly dim at night, and the opposite in the morning

totally stole that idea from the hue app

[dusky plank]

@rain swift i like that too but I'm not sure anymore :P
https://www.cnet.com/news/night-mode-could-actually-be-worse-for-your-sleep-pattern-study-finds/

[rain swift]

I dunno what that is but its not english lol

ah there we go

[scenic radish]

it's certainly more pleasant to look at though

[dusky plank]

yep

[rain swift]

I was gonna say

warm white is MUCH better on my eyes in the morning, and I don't have issues falling asleep

I'll wait for more than one study

[clear ferry]

Proper dark mode

https://images.app.goo.gl/yF5aG7tSg9wUkSuP8

[rain swift]

that may be funded by makers of cool white bulbs lol

oh god

the ol green on black

[clear ferry]

How I work in both terminals and notepad++

[rain swift]

sometimes I do that

but I don't go out of my way these days, I'm running terminals all over the freakin place

[scenic radish]

i still prefer white background and black text

even in vscode

fite me

[rain swift]

lol

[scenic radish]

fite me irl

[rain swift]

I just use whatever

get in, get it done, get out.

I got ish to do

[scenic radish]

just like with women

wait

[dusky plank]

i flash my screen white on errors

[scenic radish]

strobe?

[rain swift]

does anyone here use lights with their automation?

[scenic radish]

reeeeeeeeeeee

[dusky plank]

if drunk then strobe, yes

[rain swift]

i've thought about it before, but not done it yet

[scenic radish]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[rain swift]

I said automation, not you know what

[scenic radish]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[rain swift]

or is there no automation talk allowed in the lounge?

[scenic radish]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[clear ferry]

https://images.app.goo.gl/AWvAm7QkrpGcayZeA

Proper keyboard

[scenic radish]

technically no talk about home assistant at all is allowed here

[rain swift]

what if its another system?

[scenic radish]

i wish it was except for questions

[rain swift]

home kit

[scenic radish]

yeah that's fine

[rain swift]

amazon

haha weird

well I said automation, I did not specify which system. 🙂

chichaa

[scenic radish]

yeah i'm just messing around lol

[rain swift]

😄

[scenic radish]

yeah i have some light automations in a... certain system

my favorite ones actually

[clear ferry]

[scenic radish]

#330944238910963714 for more (if you want to hear about mine i mean)

[junior forge]

So I wanted to get something of my chest

all freaking day I'm having this on my mind, so prepare...

Not sure how to say this

[dusky plank]

you don't use the terminal? it's ok

[junior forge]

Ok, ready? Here it comes:

Hi! How are you doing? 👋

[clear ferry]

[dusky plank]

that escalated quickly

[scenic radish]

geez, frenck. way to just dump that on us

[rain swift]

lmao

[proper swift]

whatdoisaywhatdoisaygasp... Fine! phewohmygodthatwasscary

[clear ferry]

Frenck just busting in here with his barritone voice

Being all radiosexy

[junior forge]

LOL I had a freaking cold

Since that is over, I now sound like shit 😛

[clear ferry]

Now you are a tenor?

[strange vapor]

@clear ferry Related to conversation yesterday: https://twitter.com/CheekyBudgie/status/1211638267935899649?s=19

Budgie (@CheekyBudgie)

The Inspector Gadget theme played on an organ...

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[rain swift]

random IT question, does anyone know of a disk space analyzer software that runs in windows but against linux boxes over SSH?

[last dirge]

NFS mount plus sequoiaview

[rain swift]

we run treesize in windows but we don't have the pro version and they don't wanna buy it

well, I have SSH to all the boxes, but not NFS and I need to look at /

[dusky plank]

ssh host 'du -sh /'

[clear ferry]

@strange vapor fapfap

[last dirge]

@dusky plank pretty sure they want more than just gross usage

[clear ferry]

@rain swift you can mount sshfs

[rain swift]

I currently run du -h --max-depth=1 | sort -rh but it sucks having to move around and keep running it

ncdu would be awesome, I might see if I can low key install it on a test box >.>

it'll run against remote machines

[dusky plank]

maybe also https://nicolargo.github.io/glances/

[rain swift]

that looks neat, I might run that at home.

[scenic radish]

yeah glances is nice

[rain swift]

problem is at work my boss was just like meh, here's another du command to run and didn't seem to enthused to let me install anything new lol

is there glances integration with, system that shall not be named

[clear ferry]

@rain swift I use this http://makerlab.cs.hku.hk/index.php/en/mapping-network-drive-over-ssh-in-windows

[dusky plank]

yes

[clear ferry]

Then just run windirstat on that

[rain swift]

nice

[dusky plank]

https://imgur.com/a/PZJSPfX 😉

[rain swift]

so you run glances and its web server on each machine monitored and then make an entry for each one?

[dusky plank]

yep, just run glances -w on each host

[clear ferry]

SNMP crew representing

[scenic radish]

With an & at the end probably

[rain swift]

yes

I was running prtg at home at one time but I stopped because a lot of devices didn't really give up much info so I was like meh

I have a few alerts for my HA box, high CPU for so long, low free space.

[boreal pewter]

CheckMK and Netdata

Kthxbai

[steel urchin]

@rain swift imo a better alternative than glances (which is great for a single system) for every system would be telegraf and grafana. Centralizes the view, and can be customized

Netdata does look neat, but has higher overhead than others mentioned

[strange vapor]

@rain swift I use Ansible for similar tasks.

[scenic radish]

@rain swift nothing, i just wanted to tag you too

[boreal pewter]

@scenic radish

[strange vapor]

However, prefer Prometheus with Node Exporter for continuous metrics and monitoring/alerting.

Influxdb and others can do the same sort of task.

[steel urchin]

Problem with Prometheus is it's a pull model

Which means everything is managed as polling, and you have high potential to miss information

[last dirge]

depends on how coupled you want your systems

[steel urchin]

Exactly

[last dirge]

the API designer in me says "nothing's wrong with pull-based"

[steel urchin]

Well that's a hard couple, as an architect I say it's exactly wrong 🤣

Inversion of control

[strange vapor]

@steel urchin Running stupidly large Prometheus systems at work with Thanos. It had been so reliable and useful that legacy monitoring systems are getting retired.

[steel urchin]

What's stupid large... I have lots of experience with it, and have literally given up on it due to it NOT being reliable

[strange vapor]

There's one cluster pulling 6 million metrics every 15 seconds.

[steel urchin]

Dealing with large systems, low availability should be the modus operandi, and you hope for high availability.

[last dirge]

having a polling system isn't a tight coupling

if I have data that others want they can ask me for it

I don't need to know who they are

if I have a push system then I must know about every client that needs data

[steel urchin]

Look up inversion of control... Anything opposite of that is the definition of hard couple

No they only know one

You have many push to one

Vs one knowing about everything

[last dirge]

I know all about IoC

it's what the main framework I use was invented to do

[steel urchin]

So then this is an odd conversation

[last dirge]

anything where the server is expected to know about the clients is tight coupling

period

[steel urchin]

And that's exactly what a pull is 🤣

[last dirge]

no it's not

[steel urchin]

Pull/poll

[last dirge]

the thing with the data is the server

the thing asking for the data is the client

[steel urchin]

Mmm no I disagree... Agent vs slave

Same thing

Then you have a master

[last dirge]

you're wrong but okay 🙂

if the recipient of the data has to know about the source of the data, it's loose coupling

if the producer of the data has to know about the recipients of the data, it's tight coupling

pub/sub is a hybrid of that

which allows all of that tight coupling to an intermediary

and lets the recipients not be tightly coupled to the sender

sender doesn't know about the recipients at all

recipients don't know about the sender at all

[steel urchin]

i think you're mixing nomenclature

server vs client

a server, not as in physical server, but a centralized data store/requestor

a slave/client, as in the one who has the individual pieces of the information... aka, the metrics you want

you deploy agents on every slave/client that PUSHES the data to a location... centralized or not

that's the IoC

then you have an "application client" that can retrieve the data, potentially also decentralized

for reporting, UI, etc

[last dirge]

I'm not mixing nomenclature

the thing that serves the data is the server

the thing that wants the data is the client

[steel urchin]

but the point remains, a poll/pull requires one central system to know about your 1000 slaves, and pull data from every one.. that's the tight coupling

[scenic radish]

https://media.tenor.com/images/aab311a32b1d824deedf574993716667/tenor.gif

[last dirge]

mmmm skin flakes

[steel urchin]

this is what we're after in large distributed services

where the db server could be it's own set of microservices and distributed shards

the IoC is that they ar epushing, if one goes down, the system doesn't go down

if you PULL, ie, make the arrows go the other way, you run into deadlocks

atomicity goes out the window, and MUST rely on consensus protocols

which can be ok as well, if that fits the model demanded

[dusky plank]

back to topic, how can i get uptime in glances?

[steel urchin]

but, we've actually gone way off topic from "i want to see storage space on my system"

is it not already in there?

i recall it showing uptime... hmmm

[scenic radish]

Yeah I see it by default in my instance of glances

SWAP USAGE 100% EVERYONE PANIC

[dusky plank]

in system which cannot be talked about?

[scenic radish]

Public IP 😈

[steel urchin]

lol good catch

@dusky plank you can make glances push to influx, and then pull into a sensor

similar to my suggestion about telegraf

it's just more lightweight, and you have more granular control

if you ONLY want uptime, then that's all you query... vs glances et al will go for the kitchen sink

[scenic radish]

Or there's the glances integration for forbidden topic

[steel urchin]

that just spins up the container for you, right?

[scenic radish]

Nope

[steel urchin]

or does that add sensors/etc

[scenic radish]

It reads from a glances server

[steel urchin]

oh neat

well, that's an option as well

https://amzn.to/2T8TJFB

Roborock s5 on sale for $379 USD (use code ROBOROCK4U in checkout)... supposed to be another coupon clip worth $50 but not seeing it, might keep an eye on it

[clear ferry]

@scenic radish swap on older Unix systems were done with lvm span, so if a disk failed and you passed 50% swap you would have panicked

[amber bramble]

ok im buying one of those roborocks

does it require cloud access or can i stick it on my no-internet-access vlan

[steel urchin]

you can flash it with dustcloud to localize the data, but yes it requires cloud

https://github.com/dgiese/dustcloud

i haven't done it myself, yet.... but am interested in going that route

[amber bramble]

if i understand that right, dustcloud imitates the xiaomi cloud so you could run that on your lan and keep the vacuum off the internet?

[clear ferry]

@steel urchin requires cloud? All calls to it go via local IP

Atleast after you've gotten the token

[steel urchin]

mmm not for my s5... if I pull the power to my modem it is dead in the water... app doesn't see it and HA won't control it

if you watched that video i posted last time, they go over exactly how it communicates, and what it's communicating

@amber bramble correct

[clear ferry]

I need to try it out here then

Pretty sure it vacuumed while the internet was down

[steel urchin]

they also routinely do a tcpdump on the network

maps are stored in the cloud as well

and your wifi credentials

[boreal pewter]

CFW with Dustcloud on Roborock is simple

[steel urchin]

yeah, i just haven't bothered yet

[boreal pewter]

I have to repeat every few months tho

It keeps resetting itself

[steel urchin]

oh, why's that?

hmmm

like to factory defaults? that's odd

[boreal pewter]

In forum there are a few with that Problem and few hotfixes but none worked for me

Yeah back to OFW, I have to reset it then, add in App, get Token and reflash

[steel urchin]

https://github.com/dgiese/dustcloud/issues/206 wild

is it a new token

[midnight adder]

Anyone know why my wyzecam would not stream on my google home ? seems to be a common issue but google is not my saviour at this time

[boreal pewter]

It's ok once you have all files like on your HA machine it can be as Quick as 10 minutes

Yeah Token is per Initial wifi connection

I just wonder if and when we will get the newest Firmware for the S50 with the functions of the S6 for that Flash

[wet pilot]

@midnight adder #cameras-archived

[strange vapor]

So scarily accurate!

[midnight adder]

@wet pilot its not a camera issue, its a streaming related issue as far as i know, but i guess ill talk it up there and see if anyone has a clue

[boreal pewter]

Mhmh, matrix, Google doesn't work but Google is supposed to help

[steel urchin]

@boreal pewter i was reading that the company has effectively EOL'd the s5 and s6, and focusing only on the s4 and s5-max

[boreal pewter]

They just announced the s6 Pure 2 days ago

Lol

Even a H6

[steel urchin]

yeah i think even though the name is the same, and even most of the hardware, they're ignoring it

[boreal pewter]

And imo vacuums should still become a much higher suction Power, so S100 where are you

[amber bramble]

maybe i'll just firewall the s5 so it can only talk to the internet and my HA server and can't see anything else on the network

[boreal pewter]

Doesn't Sound like it has sense 🤷

[last dirge]

s4 not supported for dustcloud :/

[steel urchin]

yeah, too new

[boreal pewter]

Isnt the s4 going to be the low end Model anyway? So no one takes it lol

[steel urchin]

no it's the s6 - mopping

[last dirge]

it's pretty much equivalent to the s6

[steel urchin]

their model numbers make no sense

[boreal pewter]

Or is it the S6 copy?

[last dirge]

it can't climb as high and it can't mop

[boreal pewter]

OMG

[last dirge]

it's actually got BETTER suction than the s6

[boreal pewter]

Mh I dont use the mob actually

I really wanted but it's too much work and it actually doesn't clean specifically that for what I need it

[last dirge]

and it's just putting water on the floor

doesn't use any cleaning agent

I don't know if the S6 can use the Roborock app either

[steel urchin]

i swear to fuck

you guys might see me on the news

assholes just dumped a 5 gallon bucket of paint on my brand fucking new floors

[smoky oxide]

we never get any interesting news around here so I doubt that

[boreal pewter]

Anyone still watches free TV?

[steel urchin]

lol

[last dirge]

I mean, technically it's free

😉

[smoky oxide]

my tv only has call the midwife on it atm so im not in the same room as that

[wet pilot]

@steel urchin as long as they're insured, sounds like a them problem

[steel urchin]

it's a me problem cuz now i have to fucking deal with more idiots coming into my home...

i swear, every new home i build is the same.... first 3-6mo of warranty bs

[boreal pewter]

I wonder how the Plex announcement turns out

[steel urchin]

just build it right the first time, we won't have these problems... when you fix something, don't half ass it

[smoky oxide]

if its the same always, I see a pattern ....

[steel urchin]

yeah, well, it's much easier to re-sell a 5yr old home than a 50yr old home

[boreal pewter]

It's much easier to live in tho

[steel urchin]

it can be

[boreal pewter]

I still dunno if I want to buy a House

I found one I like.. 800k€

[steel urchin]

if you have the ability to pay it off quick and it's in a good area, it can be a good investment

i'm a zero-debt kinda guy

i don't like owing ANYONE money

just sold 2 of the homes, about to put my last non-primary home on the market once the repairs are done.... which is sucking up most of the income from the other 2 homes :S

[boreal pewter]

For such a House id need to pay like 50 years

[steel urchin]

yeah that's not worth it imo

[boreal pewter]

In our ecosystem..

[steel urchin]

you'd be paying like 5x the cost of that house 🤣

[boreal pewter]

Even my Boss only bought a flat

Ah no, Credit would be fixed for at least 30 years to 2 or 3%

[strange vapor]

@boreal pewter What part of the world are you in?

[boreal pewter]

Germany in one of the bigger towns

Where you pay almost 1000 per month for 2 room flats

[wet pilot]

that's cheap

[strange vapor]

For 800k in Ireland you'd get a mansion outside Dublin, and possibly a bedsit in Dublin.....

[boreal pewter]

Not if an average worker earns 2k

I even earn more than All my family

[last dirge]

per month?

[boreal pewter]

Yeah

[last dirge]

yeesh

DM or Euros?

[boreal pewter]

Euro

[wet pilot]

i was paying 1800 USD / mo for a 2br apartment 30 miles from DC

[boreal pewter]

Dont forget we pay 40-45% taxes

Everything that sounds much become very less

[wet pilot]

48km

[steel urchin]

yeah it's crazy how much taxes are in other countries

[strange vapor]

Traditionally here people would rent until they could afford to buy, but the rent has gone nuts which is stopping that.

[boreal pewter]

Right that

[strange vapor]

I was lucky, got to buy before prices starting going nuts again, but lots of people stuck renting who want to buy.

[clear ferry]

I paid 2.1 million NOK for this 255Sq meter house 30 minutes outside Oslo, a 50sqm apartment in Oslo, without parking will be atleast 4million plus monthly cost that will be equivalent of a house that cost 6 million

[boreal pewter]

255sq would be 1,5 mil here

[clear ferry]

Yeah, if I was half an hour further out it would be that

[steel urchin]

location, location, location

like i've said... properties that are condemned and need bulldozing are goign for ~500k USD

... here, that is

[last dirge]

my house was 252USD

[clear ferry]

If I start working in the us team I'll move North and buy a 500sqm architecture house for 5mill and just work from home 😛

5mill would be $500k ish

[last dirge]

~233 sqm plus a full unfinished daylight basement

[steel urchin]

america isn't really onboard with the work from home strategy for the most part

[last dirge]

I've worked from home for over 5 years now 🙂

[wet pilot]

works from home in the US

[steel urchin]

unless you work for yourself, or a small startup

[strange vapor]

I have team mates over in the Bay area, and the prices they've paid for houses is bat shit insane.

[steel urchin]

for the most part

[wet pilot]

~3 years here

[velvet horizon]

https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/posts/3/

Command '~3' was invoked by: phnx

[wet pilot]

lol bot

[clear ferry]

Most of my us collegues work from home 🤷

[last dirge]

I'm on a long-term open-ended contract with a company out of Philly

[strange vapor]

And they're crap house. Lots of space, but no insulation, so spend a fortune on cooling or heating the houses.

[last dirge]

I've been to the office 3 times in 5 years

[steel urchin]

there's definitely exceptions to everything

[wet pilot]

it really depends on your industry

i work for a software shop

[steel urchin]

even still... not many truly go for it... it's very much a slave-driving mentality

"if i can't see you work, you're not working"

[clear ferry]

Working from home all the time is quite boring, so I prefer atleast 50/50

[steel urchin]

"but i just saved you a few million dollars in 3 days.... "

[wet pilot]

"if you don't trust me to do my work, i don't trust you to back me up" -> Quit

[steel urchin]

and that's fair, too...

but then your resume is littered with "it wasn't a good fit"

and then you're unhireable

[clear ferry]

My manager hasn't checked if I'm working in 13 years

They just trust I do what is best

[strange vapor]

I prefer being in the office to working from home, more to separate home and work.

[steel urchin]

i do too

[wet pilot]

lol i hate my company's office

[clear ferry]

If that is tinkering with ha, they are fine with it

[steel urchin]

plus i'm very much a collaborative type worker

[last dirge]

@wet pilot what language?

[strange vapor]

But, if I want to work from home, I just set my status to WFH in Slack, and that's that.

[wet pilot]

they went with a shitty "open" plan with exposed concrete and no sound deadening

[last dirge]

echo chamber!

[wet pilot]

@last dirge python primarily. front end in js

yeah, its shit

[last dirge]

gross 🙂

[wet pilot]

i remember how much i hate that place every time i have to go in

[last dirge]

I'm full-stack java

[wet pilot]

gross 🙂

[steel urchin]

i haven't had the luxury of WFH in a while... board member meetings, client meetings, vendor meetings, testing hardware for launches, crunches, etc.... when you have 20 billion riding on your shoulders WFH is not an option

[strange vapor]

@last dirge Ouch :p

[wet pilot]

i fracking hate the java key tool

[last dirge]

yeah

me too

[steel urchin]

lol java blows

i said it

[last dirge]

java's great

[steel urchin]

i said my part, i'm not going into that religious war for the trillionth time

[boreal pewter]

Yeah, Minecraft made a lot of money and burnt a lot of RAM and GPUs

[strange vapor]

@last dirge Java Garbage Collection and a lot of libraries not using SO_KEEPALIVE are the bane of my life at the moment 😦

[steel urchin]

iirc java 9 is supposed to change the default GC strategy

and actually sweep gc is deprecated?

[wet pilot]

has oracle actually released it?

[steel urchin]

no

[wet pilot]

will they ever? 😛

[steel urchin]

at least not that i know of

[strange vapor]

@steel urchin A lot of people will never ever touch Java 9 due to the license changes and Oracle...

[clear ferry]

Thankfully most of my products have moved away from Java

To html5 or just supporting rest API instead

[wet pilot]

for java to survive further, oracle is going to have to let it go

[steel urchin]

lol let's not beat up Brian, he's a good dude

[wet pilot]

no one wants to get sued

[clear ferry]

Oracle should die imo 🤷

[wet pilot]

also yes

[clear ferry]

They are a behemoth of the past

[clever mortar]

B*rds killed off Sun, they deserve to die

[wet pilot]

they've turned patent trolly

[clear ferry]

Sun was a decent company

[clever mortar]

Just... no sales skills

[steel urchin]

well they didn't need sales, the hardware sold itself

[clear ferry]

Like DEC, too much pot and bean bags 😛

[steel urchin]

what they didn't have was a good accounts receivable

[last dirge]

Oracle is shit

[steel urchin]

people never paid off their spark, oracle bought them up

[strange vapor]

The computer society at my old Uni, skynet.ie, got given a Sun E450 which was a damn beast

[last dirge]

OpenJDK is the way to go

[strange vapor]

Unfortunately, it was put in a room with no Aircon, so all the drives failed!

[last dirge]

Amazon's spearheading doing maintenance and dev on OpenJDK

[clear ferry]

Sun had some cool hardware, but the os was pretty backwards

Compared to hpux

[clever mortar]

Pfft, NIS+ was ahead of its day (or possibly just crazy)

[clear ferry]

🤢

[last dirge]

there's one SPARC box I have to shell into occasionally

[strange vapor]

@last dirge It's going to be interesting to see what happens with OpenJDK and other forks with Java 9.

[clear ferry]

No multipath on storage by default 🤢

[last dirge]

and I have to forget everything I know about terminal command flags

[steel urchin]

i just recently installed the adoptopenjdk setup for windows for Minecraft, best java install yet

[last dirge]

@strange vapor 9 is EOL already homie

Java 12 is the new hotness

that being said

lemme tell you about my java 8 app

😉

[wet pilot]

lol are they doing that with all their products? they're skipping numbers in MySQL too

trying to pretend they've been doing more work than they are? 🤔

[last dirge]

no, there was 10, 11, 12

they just abandoned 9 really fast for some reason

[steel urchin]

of jdk maybe, but was there a JRE?

[last dirge]

there's gotta be a JRE

[clear ferry]

Oracle licensing with VMware linked vcenter 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢

[last dirge]

JRE is part of the JDK

[steel urchin]

https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html

none listed

goes from 8 to 11

[strange vapor]

@last dirge Arrgh, have 9 on the head. Debugging an app on Tomcat 9 all day.

[steel urchin]

just like my stereo

[last dirge]

they were there

they had major defects in them and got shitcanned

[steel urchin]

lurvley

[last dirge]

indeed

they never hit a RC

[steel urchin]

oh someone mentioned a plex announcement, i did some googling but not sure what it was in reference to

i have to say, this new forum system everyone's using (including HA) i hate... not as much as say phpbb or the likes, but... i feel like information and posts just flow too tightly together, it's harder to skim

maybe it's just a styling issue, i dunno

[amber bramble]

yeah i'm not a huge fan of Discourse (i think that's what the software is called anyway)

[light trout]

It is

[steel urchin]

is that what it is? it's certainly been getting more popular, i'm sure it's a lot better to deploy than others

[light trout]

I prefer that any day to phpbb or smf 😅

[steel urchin]

lol oh yeah don't get it twisted, it's better for sure

[forest edge]

whats wrong with phpbb?

[steel urchin]

nothing bb... nothing

[forest edge]

I havve modified so many phpbb instances I can't evven keep track lol

[amber bramble]

i mostly don't like how discourse captures ctrl-f for their own built-in search function

[strange vapor]

Back when I still working with Shared Hosting, the biggest problem with PHPBB was people not keeping it up to date!!!

[forest edge]

@amber bramble that is annoying

[steel urchin]

yeah, don't capture my keys, they're mine

[forest edge]

@strange vapor people still don't. don't really need to

[steel urchin]

oh the exploits

[forest edge]

updating with phpbb is like updating ha, a gamble

[velvet horizon]

:8ball: 8Ball prdiction:

Question: will it work?
Answer: Who Cares?

Command '.8ball' was invoked by: Ludeeus

[forest edge]

depending how many revisions your behind some serious shit can break causing major headaches

[steel urchin]

lol please tell me that's a hardcoded answer

[velvet horizon]

:8ball: 8Ball prdiction:

Question: do you mind if i take over the world?
Answer: Reply Hazy Try Again

Command '.8ball' was invoked by: nfgCodex

[steel urchin]

damnit

[smoky oxide]

im on vbulletin 4, I think im safe 😄

[steel urchin]

thats not a no, though

[strange vapor]

@forest edge I've been out of shared hosting for years now, but back then it was a bit nuts. Core server was fairly ok, some of the plugins were written by people two days into PHP for Dummies who still thought register_globals were a good thing!!

(register_globals probably dates it!! 🙂 )

[forest edge]

lol shared hosting

phpbb plugins/modules can be interesting and fun to shift through

[clear ferry]

Is phpbb still a I thing? I managed one like fifteen years ago

[forest edge]

but I've been installing and modifying phpbb on servers since phpbb2 was released

heck I wouldn't be suprised if some of the core coding didn't come from me lol

[strange vapor]

As far as I was concerned at the time, half the plugins contained obfuscated shells, to the point if a file appeared in a vhost with a PHP extension which contained the string eval( it would get chown'd to root and the permissions changed to 000. Very very few false positives!

[amber bramble]

i've never seen non-abusive use of eval() in php

[steel urchin]

any use of eval is abusive

[velvet horizon]

:8ball: 8Ball prdiction:

Question: is it?
Answer: The Sky's The Limit

Command '.8ball' was invoked by: Ludeeus

[steel urchin]

but... how about them variable variables 😉

[forest edge]

hey don't be knockin php.. lol

I rather like it

[strange vapor]

I'll leave this here:

[steel urchin]

i did 13 years of enterprise php, built a lot of the core of the zend platform

[forest edge]

it's been 8 years since i've really had to write more than a few lines (more like modify old code) but still lol

[steel urchin]

i still hate it 😛

[amber bramble]

php was the first language i learned

[strange vapor]

@forest edge Today it's a grown up language with decent frameworks. Pre PHP 6? Run!!!!

[amber bramble]

i can still get around it a lot better than python or javascript

[amber bramble]

also print_r masterrace

[forest edge]

lol php2,3,4,5 was the last i've delt with.. 6 is nice?

[amber bramble]

6 doesn't exist

[strange vapor]

I may have been badly scarred by working with PHP in Shared Hosting for too long

[steel urchin]

loool

[forest edge]

I don't evven know what it's up to now? 7 or 8?

[small gulch]

im building a house and trying to start planning on integrating home assistant. any suggestion on garage doors before i pick out openers?

[forest edge]

oh you were joking

see I mentioned this before, people always knockin php like it's not a real language..

[steel urchin]

iirc >5 added namespaces and imports, better class encapsulation and definitions

[clever mortar]

#330944238910963714 @small gulch (please read the channel topics 😉 )

[small gulch]

ok you recommend a channel for that question?

[clever mortar]

🤦