the-water-cooler

[hushed basalt]

I might just keep the 4 x 4TB in Raid5 in the synology for dumb bulk storage

It's about 11TBs of usable storage, I'm not sure I need a 8 x 10TB snapraid/mergerFS

I wouldn't even know what to do with 60TBs

Between netflix, disney and amazon :D

[hearty depot]

ok... the pi also got reboot issues 🙈

[clear ferry]

Storage 📖

Purple bois r no fun @scenic radish

I just went and blue myself

[raw locust]

HX711/D1 Tasmota - always displays 0kg. Tried all suggestions made in GitHub. Multiple boards, configs. Anyone got the magic sauce?

[clear ferry]

Sounds like #diy-archived

Oof $1.97 per liter gas today, or $7.5 per gallon

[last dirge]

heh

[fallow galleon]

On one hand I hate the climate strat from the US, on the other I'm glad our gas is cheap

[clear ferry]

I still remember when your gas passed $1 per gallon, we paid $1 per liter at that point

[last dirge]

heh

I pay ~$0.027 per mile

say 40MPG average that's $1.08/gal

I think it's rated at 98 though

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I get so much money from work for driving that I get atleast $2 back per 10km I drive

[last dirge]

what do you drive?

[clear ferry]

Currently a Volvo v70

[valid halo]

Oooh a volvo

I want to get a volvo. They're so safe

[last dirge]

weren't you complaining about expensive cars the other day @valid halo ?

[valid halo]

I can complain and yearn to have an expensive but safe car

[last dirge]

Volvo is THE expensive car

[clear ferry]

My car history the last 20 years is Volvo 240, Subaru 1800, Audi 100, Audi A3, Audi A6, Audi A8, Volvo V70, and I've had golf MK3 and MK4 on the side, plus my wife has a vw Tiguan

[last dirge]

she's got a lifted golf 😉

[fallow galleon]

Volvo are super unreliable from what I read?

[clear ferry]

@last dirge pretty mid range here for Volvo

@fallow galleon not compared to American or Italian cars no

[last dirge]

they're way expensive in the US

[clear ferry]

Or French 🤢

[fallow galleon]

How about german?

[clear ferry]

Very reliable over here

I've not had much issues, except the a8, but that had 380000km on it

[fallow galleon]

So strange that Americans consider German cars to be unreliable, but European seems completely fine

[last dirge]

there's a difference between "German cars" and Volkswagen

🙂

[clear ferry]

Because you have other options probably

[fallow galleon]

BMW

[clear ferry]

With bigger engines by default

[last dirge]

with BMW it really depends on which model/engine

[fallow galleon]

I'd LOVE to get a 340i for my next car, but I'm kinda afraid because I do most of the maintenance myself

[clear ferry]

We usually begin on 1.6-2.0 engines, mostly anything I've seen in the US starts with V6 models

Exactly, the 320 would be the default here now

40 or bigger would be executive cars

In the past the 316 was the base model

[fallow galleon]

328 is the base here I think

[clear ferry]

Yeah that's a v6 I believe

So there is your answer 😛

Atleast in Europe when you get up to those engine size a lot of other expensive and breakable stuff becomes default

[fallow galleon]

makes sense

[clear ferry]

Which makes it more unreliable to some extent

Like air suspension etc

Yeah, 320 is the default here, checked

340 starts at 85k without extras

You get a fully loaded Tesla for less, or 3x BMW i3 fully loaded

[clear ferry]

https://open.spotify.com/track/58zqOyrpXZQNwjkRtjGXqG?si=6uwLg4FOSmuyCwbnF5TeIw

[wet pilot]

the i3 is fugly though

NA V6s are mostly gone in the US

[fallow galleon]

i3 is so big in real life

[clear ferry]

It's remarkable comfortable though

[wet pilot]

unless you're nissan

[clear ferry]

But very ugly

[wet pilot]

ford is using TT V6s as performance engines

Audi too

though the VAG abuses their poor little 2.0T for literally everything

[fallow galleon]

Everything is turbo. Japanese are still in transition.

[clear ferry]

In Norway the 1.2t or 1.4t is the base for most VW's now

[wet pilot]

honda, mazda, and subi are there, toyo and nissan are behind

the mazda 2.5T is pretty awesome

[clear ferry]

But close to 50% electric sales anyway

[fallow galleon]

At least Toyota has crazy reliability. Nissan is behind & horrible

[clear ferry]

Nissan leaf is one of the most sold cars here

Toyota has become very expensive

[wet pilot]

leaf is an under-rated car

[clear ferry]

The old one was ugly as hell

The new one is ok

[fallow galleon]

MSRP $30k from google, for real!?

Tesla model 3 is $35k

[clear ferry]

Fully loaded model 3 is $55k here

[wet pilot]

Toyo seems to have forgotten how to develop engines. They use an atkinson cycle v6 in the taco for "reasons", a bmw i-6 for the supra and a subi H-4 for the tyoybaru

[clear ferry]

Tyoybaru 😂

[wet pilot]

lol toyota has renamed the damn thing like 5 times

but everyone knows what i mean when i say toyobaru

[fallow galleon]

Well toyota is always slow in adapting

And they do coop for the sports car because developing one isn't cost effective

[wet pilot]

right, but every other mfg makes their own engines

ford is a pretty good example of developing a performance engine and then de-tuning it for normal use

their 2.3T is a good example

Focus RS > Mustang > Ranger

developing an engine is expensive but it can be used across the board if you do it right

the extreme example is the VAG 2.0T

but i think they took it too far

[fallow galleon]

I guess they don't want I6 for their other cars

[wet pilot]

some of the cars they put it in are way too heavy

[fallow galleon]

They have I4, V6, V8 already

[wet pilot]

well, some of the lexus line would have benefited. drop the v8

its a NA V8

that's where those benefits come from. Develop a performance engine and then detune it and use it elsewhere

[fallow galleon]

idk. Large part of the charm of RC-F, GS-F, LC500 is the V8

[wet pilot]

"charm" slow, heavy cars

the v8 itself is quite old at this point too

[fallow galleon]

It isn't rationable but V8 has its fan

I THINK they might be skipping turbo all together for EV

[wet pilot]

we'll see if it works out for them

they could have owned that market too

the toyota story is starting to smell like the RIMM MS story with mobile OSs

or you could compare what they did to the D3 by coming to the US

the Germans and Americans are ahead of japan right now with electrification

which is amusing because they're all using Japanese batteries

[fallow galleon]

The difficulty is that you not only have to make a vehicle, but also the infrastructure for EV to succeed

[wet pilot]

yup, thats why everyone is partnering up

though the larger conglomerates have a better chance of punching through

[clear ferry]

@fallow galleon government makes most of the infrastructure for ev here

Partnered with local power firms

[fallow galleon]

government doesn't do much here

...

[scenic radish]

@clear ferry Norwat bad

https://tenor.com/view/arrested-development-david-cross-tobias-funke-im-afraid-iblue-myself-blue-gif-4218282

[clear ferry]

https://media.tenor.com/images/6e1d36434859fb82c009797f860162c5/tenor.gif

[valid halo]

My local college has a EV parking spot

sometimes I'll see a Tesla parked there

[scenic radish]

who'd like a banger in the mouth? oh right i forgot, here in the states, you call it a "sausage in the mouth"

[valid halo]

a banger?

Other countries have such weird euphamisms

[last dirge]

I thought Panasonic was Korean

guess I was wrong

🙂

[clear ferry]

Japanese right?

Sounds Japanese atleast

[fallow galleon]

remember the company called Nokia

[clear ferry]

Finnish big boys

[scenic radish]

"tea biscuit"
This is a damn cracker. You Brits are so weird

Tasty though

[hushed basalt]

Traefik has bowed down to me

Only took 14 hours

Take that France!

Next hurdle. Oauth

[scenic radish]

wyd?

[clear ferry]

France 🤢

[hushed basalt]

Broke my caddy reverse proxy this morning

By 'updating' it

That's what I get for staying up to date

Decided to jump back to traefik

Lost about 4 hours from a mistyped port

I'm pretty sure I'm dyslexic, especially with numbers

[scenic radish]

Dyscalculia

[hushed basalt]

Sort of

I dunno

I'm good with maths

Not with mental maths though

And I transpose and forget numbers instantly

Made me a bad telco tech

8462925

I couldn't write this down again 5 seconds after looking away

[clear ferry]

I suck at math

But I'm very good at chemistry

[hushed basalt]

The math part is redundant

Just say you suck

[clear ferry]

Which makes no sense since chemistry is math

[hushed basalt]

Chemistry has a lot more structures and symbols i guess

Math is more just numbers and formula

[clear ferry]

I've always had an E in math from secondary school to university

[scenic radish]

E?

[clear ferry]

But had B in chemistry at university

@scenic radish our grades go from A to F

[scenic radish]

is that an F?

ah

[clear ferry]

Where F is a failed

[scenic radish]

so do ours, but we skip E for...some reason

[clear ferry]

Wtf

[scenic radish]

yup lol

[clear ferry]

You guys are so weird

[scenic radish]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-hairy-chest-gif-10795153

[hushed basalt]

Everyones a winner

Except for you Johnny

[clear ferry]

We usually do 6-1 in secondary and high school, then do A to F in higher education

[scenic radish]

You guys are so weird

[hushed basalt]

We had like

HD, D, C, NC I think

High distinctjon, distinction, competent, non complete

Don't ask me about school

Our education system is .. not good

[scenic radish]

You guys are so weird

[clear ferry]

We had S, G, NG, LG, IB before 1995

Super, godt, noe godt, lite godt, ikke bestått

[scenic radish]

"Super, good, not good, good lite, Ikea"

[hushed basalt]

Ah yes, the famous Sgnflgib system

[scenic radish]

not much worse than HDDCNC

[hushed basalt]

Don't you like the Ds?

[scenic radish]

i prefer the XKCD system

heh

[clear ferry]

Sounds like the tourettes version of AC/DC

[hushed basalt]

Shut up KVN

[clear ferry]

S M R T

[scenic radish]

Hard Disk Drive Computer Numerical Control

[hushed basalt]

https://youtu.be/mSBCnO_L9KU

[clear ferry]

Hardly Distinctive Dramatic Chinese Norwegian Challenges

You'll love my GitHub update names @scenic radish

[hushed basalt]

This is a commit message

My employers force me to write 100 characters

That is all

.

http://whatthecommit.com/

[scenic radish]

"extra debug for stuff module"

"Fucking templates." lol

[hearty depot]

Ok, 5am, it works. For real. Could be me
$(rm -rvf .)

[midnight adder]

woohoo got my burglar alarm up and running

[clear ferry]

Mine are anagrams of the day I do the commit

[scenic radish]

Yodamn

[midnight adder]

does anybody know if a product exists that will let me physically switch wall switches and sliders and cord switches and stuff

I rent so I have a few switches I can't replace

the bathroom for example has a cord switch that turns on both the light and the ventilation, would be neat if I could "pull" the cord somehow on remote

[forest edge]

there is something called a switchbot that can toggle switches without having to do any switch replacement. it's expensive tho

[midnight adder]

and my thermostat has an on/off slider switch on it

@forest edge switchbot button presser looks interesting and $30 isn't too bad

yes it's called ikea tradfri control outlet

you plug it into your normal outlet and then plug stuff into the tradfri

[forest edge]

$30? they were like $70 lol

they must have relaized they were overcharging hehe

[midnight adder]

ikea tradfri outlet 10 bucks

[scenic radish]

Hey it's crazy username guy

[midnight adder]

@midnight adder thats a smart outlet, i'm looking into smartyfying existing switches without replacing the actual switch

theres no plug involved

oh

you can get zwave stuff to do that, it goes into the wall behind the switch plate

i use two ikea tradfri outlets for my dumb ikea led strip and cheap fan tho

[forest edge]

zwave/wifi yea lol

[midnight adder]

i can't replace switches either

[forest edge]

shelly/sonoff

[midnight adder]

i rent

you don't replace the switch, you wire an interceptor into it

[hearty depot]

you just have to rewire then when you leave

[midnight adder]

hm

[forest edge]

things like that switchbot is your least intrusive method

[fallow galleon]

I've seen some that cover over the switch itself, like $10

[hearty depot]

Link to switchbot?

[forest edge]

but may get annoyign with bulky boxes and battery replacement

[midnight adder]

i've removed nearly all switches from my house

the cord switch is the one i want to replace the most though and that wall plate is sealed shut because its in the bathroom

[hearty depot]

I would love to - but didnt found one wire qnes yet

[forest edge]

@hearty depot https://www.switch-bot.com/

[hearty depot]

thanks

[midnight adder]

i don't think european homes have had flip-rocker switches installed in the past 40 years

[fallow galleon]

do you mean these?

https://www.amazon.com/Switchmate-Snap-Instant-Switch-Listens/dp/B01NA0DB32?th=1

[hearty depot]

yea
mine looks like this

[late galleon]

Hey, I just joined and I'm sorta new to iot and Home Assistant, is this a good place to ask questions?

[midnight adder]

yeah the majority of wall switches in europe are square

don't really see rectangular ones all that often

[fallow galleon]

@late galleon if it's HA related, post to #330944238910963714

[hearty depot]

@late galleon we also have rooms regarding to the question like #diy-archived or #330990055533576204

[late galleon]

it's just, questions in general. I haven't chosen any kind of ecosystem yet, I just have an echo dot and a xiaomi vacuum and I was wondering, will I need a hub or is that what Home Assistant does?

I don't quite understand how it differs from the other hubs

[hearty depot]

its bringing things tgether
you now need 2 apps for example - with integrations you just use HA

[midnight adder]

ha can only speak wifi natively

or let's say ethernet

[late galleon]

but i've seen there're zigbee modules and stuff

[midnight adder]

you want to talk to xiaomi then you either need a xiaomi hub or a zigbee module like conbee 2

with a zigbee module you can replace some hubs entirely

you can also choose to connect to existing hubs

[hearty depot]

eeh or a dirt ass cheap cc251

[midnight adder]

I have 2 conbee 2 devices and i love them

[late galleon]

Is it a good idea to get a zigbee module and skip having a hub?

[midnight adder]

that's what I do with my xiaomi gateway

[hearty depot]

I rather like the open surce variant -> zigbee2mqtt
the xiaomi gateway freaks me out

[scenic radish]

@late galleon depends. My lighting system (Hue) is separate from home assistant but home assistant can still control it. Other home assistant questions should go to #330944238910963714

[midnight adder]

I use my zigbee stick only for tradfri lights tbh, everything else runs off the xiaomi gateway because it's better at receiving things

[late galleon]

It's all a bit overwhelming if I'm honest

Do you recommend Phillips Hue, Tradfri or Yeelight for lighting?

[scenic radish]

Hue 100%

[late galleon]

I know phillips is expensive

[midnight adder]

I use both yeelight and tradfri

[late galleon]

Doesn't it get confusing having different brands and all?

[midnight adder]

I have over 50 tradfri lights in my house and have had some of them for almost 1.5 years now

[hearty depot]

ZIGBEE2MQTT 4LIFE 🤣
https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/
Supported devices:
https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/supported_devices.html

[midnight adder]

yeelight doesn't require a hub and works straight off wifi while tradfri is zigbee only and either requires an ikea hub or a zigbee stick

another 10 tradfri control outlets

[forest edge]

well aren't you mr tradfri lol

[late galleon]

i think I got things a bit clearer regarding hubs

[midnight adder]

also another 5 tradfri motion sensors

only reason I have tradfri is because they come in smaller sizes, my yeelights are all e27

[late galleon]

it's just a way to translate ethernet/wifi into zigbee or else

and some have iffft

[midnight adder]

pretty much, hubs are mostly just receivers

though I use the light ring on my xiaomi gateway as kitchen nightlight lol

[late galleon]

I gotta get going rn, thank you!

[river rune]

More like bridges, or translators... They bridge 2 protocols and translate messages from one format to another

[midnight adder]

bridge is a good term yea

@late galleon whatever you do don't get tuya products

they're fuckin garbage for home assistant

[forest edge]

tuya-convert

[midnight adder]

tuya convert works less and less because tuya started patching it out a year ago

[hearty depot]

well - when theyre ESP based they are awesome with esphome.
when youre fine with getting through the trouble of soldering

[late galleon]

aight

[river rune]

I have some plugs from a Tuya sub-brand on the way just so I can play with tuya-convert lol

[midnight adder]

the last four tuya smartplugs I had all didn't work with tuya convert

I have two "losonho" plugs that are a bit older and worked but everything after that just wouldn't do 😦

[forest edge]

get tuya based stuff those still work lol

[river rune]

Apparently it is a game of cat and mouse, Tuya fixes the exploit and the convert guys have to find a different way. So for a while this summer it didn't work but then started again in September ish

[midnight adder]

yeah im not big into soldering

[hearty depot]

rly - it makes a png...
nvm you got the point

[river rune]

I find soldering relaxing tbh

[midnight adder]

@river rune so a lot of plugs that wouldn't work in summer work now?

I should try it out again on some of my plugs then

[river rune]

I don't really know, that is why I have some ordered. Supposedly they will work, it doesn't hurt to try

[midnight adder]

wouldn't mind converting some more plugs

last time I tried tuya was in july or something so maybe I was just really unlucky

ended up ordering six yeelights instead and just changing all the standing lamps to that

yeelights just work.

[valid halo]

Yeelight as a name makes me giggle

[midnight adder]

yee

[valid halo]

"Yee Light!"

[river rune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt5-iZc4_qU lol he just posted this 2 hours ago

[midnight adder]

theyre pretty hefty, I like em

[valid halo]

do yee light use the Wee Fee? The Zed-Wave or the Zig🐝

[midnight adder]

wifi, after connecting them to the app you can enable direct lan control which allows hass to connect without a problem

[valid halo]

Oh nice

I should pick up Yeelights then

As nice as my Z-Wave dongle is. Z-wave bulbs are not cheap enough for my miserly scrooge self

[midnight adder]

their more recent models are all bt-based so make sure you get the wifi ones I guess

[valid halo]

BT?

🤮

I've already got four tiles running interference on my wifi. I don't need bluetooth light bulbs too

thanks for the warning fam

[forest edge]

zwave is stupid expensive lol

[valid halo]

yeah. I got a Z-wave Dongle

and a Z-wave door sensor

and do I even use it

NO

[river rune]

lol

[valid halo]

it just sits there gathering dust

[forest edge]

wifi/RF go cheap lol

[river rune]

I have 4 z-wave devices... a smoke detector, 2 wall plugs, and one in-wall light switch

I want to go all Zigbee and WiFi from now on though

[midnight adder]

I have six of these https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32885328641.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.1ec64c4d29cqhH

[orchid rose]

I'd still recommend checking Mi Lights in the lower price range. Not wifi, cheap and can be used locally with a diy hub for a few €/$

[midnight adder]

I got the RGB ones because they're only a buck extra and hey what the hell right

[orchid rose]

The Yeelight I have is very good too and wasn't expensive at all

[midnight adder]

I've tried a mi light some time ago

it's alright i guess

[forest edge]

that yeelight looks like more base than bulb lol

[orchid rose]

10W will need some cooling

[valid halo]

Ah RF

I remember I was looking into that

[boreal pewter]

My main lights have 2 Yeelight V2

[midnight adder]

milights are hell to develop for though because some retard at the mi light design team thought it'd be smart to require HSL values instead of RGB

[valid halo]

I remember Bruh Automation was like "Just jury rig thise son off majigger to talk to these cheap ass RF outlets."

HSL Hue Saturation Lux?

[clear ferry]

Huge Swedish lasagna

[midnight adder]

Yep, doesn't sound that bad, until you realize it only goes from 28 to 128 or something

not the full range you'd expect

[valid halo]

28 to 1258?

Huh

[midnight adder]

typo

[valid halo]

Lighting is weird

[forest edge]

wth is swedish lasagna? sausage casserole? lol

[midnight adder]

they have some odd limitation that just doesn't allow regular hsl values

[clear ferry]

[valid halo]

So you gotta figure out your RGB in HSL and then figure out what the Special Snowflake software wants?

[midnight adder]

@forest edge swedish lasagna is lasagna with instructions

[valid halo]

Ah Technology

somethings never change

[forest edge]

lol

[valid halo]

speaking of stupid tech

I wanted to pay for my college tuition

[midnight adder]

rgb to hsl to fuckin 80% of the hsl colorspace

[valid halo]

so I goto my college website and click pay tuition. Then I choose the semester. Then I say how much I want to pay. THEN it takes to a another website where I put in ALL THAT INFO again and then can finally put in my card to pay.

Someone's palms are greasy as hell

[midnight adder]

back when i was in highschool they blocked youtube by completely destroying the page request so you'd just get served a blank page

sounds annoying but workable right

yeah well then the cisco login page had a youtube promo embedded

w o o p s

good luck doing your ccna exams

[valid halo]

Oh

That reminds me

my college has four courses related to the CCNA

I need to check if they're good or not

[midnight adder]

i have a cisco it essentials and a ccna 1

never used them in my life because it essentials is computers for babies and ccna 1 is just basic networking

[valid halo]

XD

[midnight adder]

i've never owned a single cisco product lol

[valid halo]

I've got an A+ Cert from COMPTIA.

It helped me get a job

I guess that 200 dollars was worth it

[midnight adder]

get on my level i'm certified for microsoft office 2010

[valid halo]

I'm not gonna lie man

[midnight adder]

[valid halo]

an office cert is pretty cool

I took a Computer Literacy Class

[river rune]

I currently have my A+ and am working on getting AWS certs which should give me a raise at work. And they are paying for the tests so why not

[valid halo]

and I learned SO MUCH on how to use Office

[midnight adder]

i learned some excel tricks

that's the most valuable part of the cert, really

[valid halo]

I just finished a class all about MS Access

I'm gonna be so ready for 1995

[midnight adder]

everything else is basic access, powerpoint and word

[valid halo]

Databases are neato

[river rune]

Access is garbage as a DB honestly

[midnight adder]

what are you talking about, multi-user by means of sharing the database file on network storage is totally reasonable! /s

[river rune]

😂

[boreal pewter]

Passwords are so difficult to guess anyway, say no to encryption

[valid halo]

I'll be honest when my experience with sharing data was seeing my coworker using excel sheets all the time

Access seemed neat

[midnight adder]

@boreal pewter welcome123

[valid halo]

I'd tell you my password but I don't know it

[boreal pewter]

You password must have at least 8 characters
12345678

[midnight adder]

with uppercase W for extra security

[boreal pewter]

WOH no, mom forgets that surely

[valid halo]

Your password must be between 6-7 characters. Use Upper and lower case and Unicode Characters and punctuation. Without using the same character twice. It cannot be the same as any of your past ten passwords and it cannot use vowels.

[river rune]

Yeah, uppercase is hard to remember and having to strech for the numbers at the top of the keyboard is too hard... Just use password

[midnight adder]

"here are some parameters to feed your password cracker with"

[boreal pewter]

Since I'm german and for us it is passwort, you are 100% secure from the germans using password

[midnight adder]

@boreal pewter what about dyslectic germans tho

[valid halo]

"Remember to use your birthday as an easy password. You'll never forget it!"

[boreal pewter]

pasword

[valid halo]

The best thing I did for my mom in the past 3 years was buying her a password booklet

[scenic radish]

Assword

[boreal pewter]

They never get those characters right, ss, nn, mm

[valid halo]

Just use Sex as a password. No one would ever think of that.

[boreal pewter]

And we have many such words

[scenic radish]

hunter2

[valid halo]

Dude how did you guess my password

[scenic radish]

Your password is ******* too?!

[midnight adder]

dunno what the fuck I just did but I accidentally opened up the developer console in discord???

[scenic radish]

Actually, set your password to all asterisks. No one would guess that

[boreal pewter]

My brother when I logged into his shared Netflix from old work where we were proxied through some easter countries - changes password: "A word and 4 numbers"

[valid halo]

HAH

[scenic radish]

heh

[midnight adder]

okay so ctrl+shift+i opens up the devconsole in discord

[scenic radish]

I get it

[midnight adder]

that's a new one

[valid halo]

isn't Discord the app in Electron

[midnight adder]

yep

[valid halo]

I can't remember why

but I have this feeling

this urge

[midnight adder]

actually I thought it was ember

[valid halo]

to say Electron sucks

[river rune]

It is Electron

And yes Electron sucks

[midnight adder]

anyways with this new found knowledge I can more easily fake convos and steal profile pics of girls

hooray

[valid halo]

Oh good. I can continue to sound like I know what I'm talking about

[river rune]

And yeah Electron uses the Chrome dev interface

[midnight adder]

does electron run on chromium by any chance?

[valid halo]

Electron for when you want to chrome out of chrome so you can chhrome without chrome

[river rune]

All the profile pics are stored in your cache directory already... No need to steal them lol

[midnight adder]

when you chrome too hard

[forest edge]

||🤡 ||

[scenic radish]

|| 🍆 ||

[midnight adder]

@hearty depot bootleg fantastic four?

[hearty depot]

firefox

well.. not to good

[midnight adder]

i want a firefox plushie but there are none because firefox merch is rare as shit

[light trout]

Just like memory isssues in chrome

[midnight adder]

they had a merch store but shut it down because a bunch of nerds don't know how to run a webstore

like, dude, just outsource it

[valid halo]

Just

ask someone on Etsy

you can get anything there

ANYTHING

[scenic radish]

anything

[hearty depot]

hehe https://img.pr0gramm.com/2016/07/19/47c91b16f59e2afc.gif

[valid halo]

One day my dream of a Home Assistant Body Pillow will come true

the laws of man nor god shall stop me

[scenic radish]

senpai notice me

[midnight adder]

ebay does not have firefox plushies

[scenic radish]

anything

[valid halo]

Memes aside

why is RAM so Chrome Hangry

[scenic radish]

Unused RAM is wasted RAM

and chrome is a greedy bitch

Mostly the second

[midnight adder]

if you aint ram you aint ham

[orchid rose]

if only Chrome (and Vivaldi) would actually release it when someone else needs it

[midnight adder]

i should get a dragon quest slime plushie

i've been playing a lot of dragon quest minecraft lately

[valid halo]

Chrome never goes hungry on my watch

I have 128GB of Ram

[scenic radish]

Glances yells at me when my Raspberry Pi's whopping 100MB of swap is mostly used

SWAP USAGE 100%

🚨 🚨 🚨 🚨

[valid halo]

100% is good

if your CPU isn't at 100%

you're not using it right

everyhthing must be at max usage

all the time

[scenic radish]

Lmao

[valid halo]

or you're wasting your money

If I walk in your house and your PC doesn't sound and glow like space shuttle taking off. We can't be friends

[scenic radish]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[valid halo]

XD

Oh man I really got him mad

writes down "NO to Space Shuttle Jokes"

[midnight adder]

i have a hard time sleeping whenever I'm spending the night at family or friends because I'm so used to the constant hum of my homelab

[valid halo]

I get that sometimes

in that a lot of times I cannot fall asleep unless I'm in the middle of listening to something

[midnight adder]

hey google play relaxation sounds

and then it does the fuckin annoying grassmower one so you have to say it again hoping that it will switch to rain

[valid halo]

Nah

I just have Google Play a pod cast I like

Like Hard Core History

fall asleep listening to Dan Carlin talk about Genghis Khan conquering places

Then I wake up and it's STILL GOING because I forgot to set a sleep timer

[scenic radish]

for some reason i started playing white noise a couple years ago when sleeping and now i basically can't fall asleep without it

not sure why i started. 25 years of not using white noise before

[valid halo]

My therapist has a white noise generator so that I can't listen in on her other patients.

[scenic radish]

yeah that's common from what i understand

[clear ferry]

I have a CPAP

It generates noise that I find soothing

[forest edge]

white noise? you listening for ghosts? EVP?

Tediore can't sleep till he hears the original actor for Chef Boyardee say, " that's a big meatballll! " in the white noise.

[rain swift]

Might be a weird question, but does anyone know of an EMF reader that can send its readings to home assistant?

[steel urchin]

Holy hell, I could NOT sleep last night

[clever mortar]

I'd ask in #330944238910963714 or #diy-archived @rain swift

[steel urchin]

@hushed basalt I truncated the logs, lemme see if they rang the doorbell again

[fallow galleon]

What exactly is an EMF reader?

[scenic radish]

reads EMFs

[forest edge]

doorbell spaz out all night?

[steel urchin]

Electro magnetic field

No no, I was using it metaphorically

[fallow galleon]

Aren't light also em wave

[steel urchin]

No

Electricity generates magnetic fields, and vice versa

So using the versa, you can get readings

[fallow galleon]

Then that's magnetic field

microwave, visible light, gamma ray are electromagnetic waves

[boreal pewter]

@steel urchin right now you come up here when my problem is solved lol

[steel urchin]

eh?

i have been told i have the Midas touch

[boreal pewter]

I had a Docker issue where could have helped easily 😛

[steel urchin]

i just show up and touch something and it starts working

[boreal pewter]

But now its solved

[steel urchin]

noice

[exotic bane]

Hi everyone. Mind if I share a project I have just finished? Really want to show people that may appreciate it

[steel urchin]

last night the HA app kept tossing me across the city (meanwhile every other gps tool knew exactly where i was) turning the lights on.. it was mildly humorous until it wasn't

[boreal pewter]

Sharing a project here helps 5 users that see it until it got spammed away

And there mostly is not enough reason to sticky

[forest edge]

lol codex

[rain swift]

@exotic bane do it

[exotic bane]

haha okay

https://imgur.com/gallery/L275JQ7

[boreal pewter]

Sure share here, but also on Forums 😛

Looks good too

[light trout]

https://community.home-assistant.io/c/projects @exotic bane

[exotic bane]

oh thanks

ah I found that already. I posted haha

but thank you anyway

[steel urchin]

ooh magic mirror, want

[exotic bane]

It would be better if the two way acrylic didn't flex. It looks a bit like a circus mirror

[boreal pewter]

Is it just me loading endlessly on the HA link?

[exotic bane]

mine's fine

[boreal pewter]

Damn DNS

[last plaza]

How do you build a smart mirror? A highly reflective glass over a monitor? Is that it?

[boreal pewter]

Not me

[exotic bane]

Yeah. 2 way mirrored acrylic over a monitor in a frame

[forest edge]

is it touch screen that's the question

[steel urchin]

dude, don't get me started on DNS... i've bene having to trick my network like crazy to get around not having NAT loopback

[boreal pewter]

lol

[exotic bane]

Unfortunately not @forest edge If it was, no reconfiguration would be necessary

[steel urchin]

lol oops

[last plaza]

I am okay if it is not a touch screen. We can always make it voice activated

[scenic radish]

*mind activated

[exotic bane]

I have Google Homes all over my house, 6 to be precise

[last plaza]

Only 6?

[scenic radish]

amateur hour over here

[exotic bane]

1 Google Home Max, 3 Mini's, A Google Home and a Google Home Hub

haha

[steel urchin]

@hushed basalt it appears the logs are silent after truncating... apparently only 1 single hit from Le France

[exotic bane]

I have a 2 bedroom, end terrace house, I can't fit anymore around

[last plaza]

There is always a way

[light trout]

sure you can

[scenic radish]

i have 5 in my condo lol

[exotic bane]

Smart lights in (almost) every room

[scenic radish]

three google homes, one hub, one insignia smart speaker with google assistant built in

[forest edge]

littered pucks 🤢

[exotic bane]

12 philips hue bulbs too

Here's my HA floorplan

[last plaza]

Wait... why is it called Magic Mirror? Shouldn’t it be Smart Mirror?

[light trout]

to regular folks smart == magic

[exotic bane]

I guess, but the internet calls it a magic mirror because old people think technology is magic

[last plaza]

Does it come with a magic wand?

[steel urchin]

lol does it matter if it's smart or magic? it's neat and fun

anywho, i wonder if i can make one of those like 8ft wide

[exotic bane]

Fully controllable from lovelace

[light trout]

https://www.amazon.com/Kymera-Magic-Wand-Remote-Control/dp/B002SJKWZ4 probably doable @last plaza

[steel urchin]

that might be pricey to make a mirror that big

[forest edge]

8ft magic mirror?

just why..

[steel urchin]

well the smart part wouldnt' be that big

but the mirror, yes

because i have a 60ft wall that needs something on it 🤣

[forest edge]

as a huge tv/look at my whole body in all it's glory?

[last plaza]

If you put a 4k tv behind it and connect RPi to TV, that will be a Magic Mirror

Why go with monitor when you can put a TV?

[exotic bane]

It would

Curved!!!

[last plaza]

Yep

[proper swift]

I looked into the giant mirror thing.. the plexi gets stupid expensive

[forest edge]

I couldn't watch tv through a "magic mirror" lol that would get annoying really fast lol

[last plaza]

Then you can watch yourself.

[forest edge]

exactly what you would be watching lol

[light trout]

add a carmera stream, then you can watch yourself watching yourself

[forest edge]

lol

[rain swift]

How hard is it to make that floorplan deal?

[last plaza]

On paper, it is easy.

[light trout]

depends on how detailed you want it

[proper swift]

plus plexiglass at that dimension warps alot, so, it owuld be like a magic funhouse mirror

[light trout]

can get something in <5min in MS paint

[forest edge]

my stick figure HA floorplan hehe

[exotic bane]

I was once thinking of starting my own magic mirror production company

but the idea flopped as its a really scarce market

[steel urchin]

draw.io is easy, so is sketchup

[light trout]

so is not doing it, and automating instead

[last plaza]

We were in Universal Studios during holidays. There is a Harry Potter magic wand store there. People are going crazy on that shit. https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/397426163649216512/663826452197933077

[proper swift]

thats cuz harry potter

[exotic bane]

Sketchup is great. I modelled my entire house in it last month

[last plaza]

You never know how many crazy Harry Potter fans out there who are willing to spend $90 on a plastic stick that probably cost $2

[forest edge]

lol start your car with the wand

[light trout]

sign me up

[proper swift]

I modeled mine in sweethome3d pretty easily. never did anything with it tho

[forest edge]

70 bucks for that wand is a ripoff, i think Drzzz version was better lol

[light trout]

I was 6 when the first book came out, I "grew up" with it

[last plaza]

The capes are like $150.

[forest edge]

guess it's better than snorting spray paint

[light trout]

Those I can live without, I'll rather build a lightsabre 😛

[exotic bane]

See you later guys, thanks for letting me plug my project 🙂

[forest edge]

yea cool mirror

[clear ferry]

@light trout I thought the first book came out before you were born

[light trout]

I'm not that young

[forest edge]

was like late 90's i think

when the first book dropped

[light trout]

1997

[clear ferry]

You are that young to me 👴

[last plaza]

👶

[scenic radish]

Here I am, using an SSH client on my phone. Do I have a problem?

[forest edge]

yea cause if you were more modern you wouldn't even need to be entering any of that in manually

[scenic radish]

wut

[forest edge]

they make ssh clients were you can bind macros for a single button press of quick ssh commands, it connects, displays output and can disconnect in a blink

well for android, dunno about ios

[boreal pewter]

There is an App called shellinabox

And docker Containers via portainer

[scenic radish]

oooo neato @forest edge

[forest edge]

i use termius but there are far more feature packed ones

[rain swift]

I use juiceSSH and the hackers keyboard.

fits my needs

[clever mortar]

JuiceSSH is neat

[scenic radish]

that's what i'm using

i agree, it is neat

[clear ferry]

@scenic radish I did that in 2005, atleast I had a full physical qwerty keyboard on my phone

[scenic radish]

https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-well-excuse-me-gif-5879060

[clever mortar]

Ah, mobile phones with full keyboards

I remember those days

Crackberry

[forest edge]

I miss them actually lol

[clear ferry]

The Sony Ericsson p900 was a good phone

[forest edge]

I loved my Galaxy S2 lol

[clear ferry]

And the 910 and 990 too

And p1

[rain swift]

I had a sidekick, it was kinda nice.

[forest edge]

I remember when boxee box or whatever it was with the tv remote with a fuill keyboard on the backside.. was so neat lol

[clear ferry]

Sidekick 🤢

[steel urchin]

DRINK!

[scenic radish]

i have a vizio tv remote that has a keyboard on the back

it was $10 on amazon or something, it works with all three of my vizio tvs

[forest edge]

the boxee was a bt remote that could be used on other things tho i think

was ir/bt

[scenic radish]

O

[steel urchin]

aaaaand the lights go on again... wtf HA app!

[forest edge]

your house is trying to communicate

you are living on top of ancient circus burial ground

[steel urchin]

haha that'd be something

dog comes in from digging up an elephant femur

[clear ferry]

Listen to the voices of the ancient spirit of gacy

[steel urchin]

i wish trello would add cards to the TOP

ooooooh lookie here

on Android discord mobile

[scenic radish]

ooo

just like developer tools

[steel urchin]

enjoy that extra 0.2-0.5% battery life!

[scenic radish]

lol

[steel urchin]

actually it looks really clean this way

[scenic radish]

except for my avatar :/

[steel urchin]

time for a new one!

since i just dug up the link: https://imgur.com/a/gkGfm

first and probably last RGB build lol

and the AIO has been upgraded by corsair due to sponsorship

[clear ferry]

RGB builds 🤢

[clever mortar]

🤣

RGB-CCT builds clearly are preferred 😛

I've never cared to light up my computers. Having backlit keyboards is about the most I've gone for

[steel urchin]

DRINK!

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I have no lights ever

Except the screens

[steel urchin]

i mean it's neat, but the software for them blow, and really it sits under my desk so i only see it as i enter the room

and the wifey was happy she could make hers pink

[inner vault]

I was dremmeling holes and epoxying plexiglass and soldering leds onto molex connectors in my computer back when I had an Athlon 1200 and was spending hours playing Everquest lol

[steel urchin]

lol i always wanted to do all that to my chassis but was too scared to ruin things

back in my k6-2 days

[inner vault]

I even put a window into my cdrw drive, total madlad

[steel urchin]

when you could overclock by using a pencil 🤣

[clear ferry]

Amd before they had thermal throttling 🤢

[inner vault]

hah amazing

[clear ferry]

Or... Amd 🤢

[steel urchin]

2 SHOTS!

[clever mortar]

🥃

https://giphy.com/gifs/drinking-keep-coming-12PUt95Tn5P9nO

[valid halo]

I remember I once tried to install HA on my old samsung android phone

or was it Node-Red

[quiet drift]

Does anyone have a way to sync lights to an AndroidTV box?

[clear ferry]

I sync my lights by using the state of Plex

[boreal pewter]

Sync lights? A cinema Mode? Or do you mean Ambilight? HA related?

[rain swift]

I don't do that because I may not want the lights dim when I am watching something.

[forest edge]

whe plex says p0rn his lights turn on full bright

[rain swift]

too much automation can be a bad thing lol.

[boreal pewter]

If it's HA related it's forbidden

Ambilight for 4k costs a few 100 bucks

Cinema Mode is running + additional dark and Light switch tho

[steel urchin]

that stuff is neat, but i feel like my head is swirling when that is going on during a movie/game

[boreal pewter]

See my repo

[steel urchin]

like sensory overload

[forest edge]

back lighting?

for the tvv

[boreal pewter]

Ambilight

Just costs too much

[forest edge]

someone posted some system that does that but also has these "pixel" addons for sticking on the wall like those leafs.. that would drive me nuts

[steel urchin]

nanoleaf canvas

those are pretty neat, but yeah... i couldn't live with that

[forest edge]

https://lightpack.tv/ watch the vid, those pixels...

[steel urchin]

that's lame

this is what i was talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GDpv1kICjQ

[boreal pewter]

ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED

[steel urchin]

touch and music sensitivity

[boreal pewter]

Lightpack gets blocked by Adguard 😂

Probably has a reason..

[clever mortar]

Saving your wallet from further damage

[boreal pewter]

But but but Amazon

[steel urchin]

now to find a leap v2 near me

[boreal pewter]

Roborock s6 Pure has been announced

Whoop whoop

[forest edge]

dyson

expensive but holy hell do they just work

[boreal pewter]

@clever mortar

Filter: Firebog Airelle hrsk```

@forest edge you mean the dyson 360 eye?

It looks so awful

[forest edge]

the thing you linked was the handheld vacuum, i was refering to the dyson version

[boreal pewter]

I Linked nothing

Roborock s6 Pure is a robot

H6 is a hendheld, indeed, announced too

[forest edge]

oh it showed a handheld vvacuum when i googled lol

[boreal pewter]

But S6

[forest edge]

my bad

[boreal pewter]

I just got my Roidmi Nex Storm from crowdfunding months ago tho

[scenic radish]

so i just discovered the other day that if and case statements in bash scripts end with fi and esac. that was a strange experience when i saw it for the first time

ending it with the word backward. clever, i guess

if not strange

[river rune]

That is POSIX compliant shells

[scenic radish]

i'm used to jinja2

[river rune]

fish does something different iirc

[scenic radish]

yeah i'm running bash on my pi

i've used zsh a little bit but never made it the default

[river rune]

I run zsh as my primary

[steel urchin]

zsh is great

[scenic radish]

the command autofill is kind of cool

[steel urchin]

jinja is crap... i hate templating engines, and configurations should not be a place to hold scripts imo... but we're about to get into "religious wars" with this crap

[river rune]

Yeah, I love it... I have a couple plugins that give fish like functions, like syntax highlighting on the command line and auto complete history while typing

[scenic radish]

@steel urchin huh. i like jinja

fite me irl

[last dirge]

Thymeleaf has entered the chat

[hushed basalt]

@steel urchin why trim logs when you can just send them to a dot matrix printer

[last dirge]

Velocity has entered the chat

[steel urchin]

template engines are a nice thought, but in practice they just add overhead

[scenic radish]

what a save!
what a save!
what a save!
chat disabled for 3 seconds

[hushed basalt]

What's the alternative to jinja nfgCodex?

[river rune]

@steel urchin But to get back to our NAT conversation. NAT loopback (or hairpinning) is where a connection leaves the NAT and then connects back to a host inside the NAT using the external IP address. This is usually because the client is hitting a DNS server outside of the NAT and it is resolving the domain back to the NAT router which is forwarding it on to the host. This is resolved by configuring a DNS resolver/server inside the NAT which resolves any hostnames which are located inside the NAT and forwarding any others to the outside DNS server.

[steel urchin]

i already explained you don't get NAT loopback with CTF

@hushed basalt an alternative would use actual scripting rather than parsed tokenized templating

the concept is 100% the same, you just don't have a made up syntax blocking logic

[river rune]

CTF to me stands for Capture the Flag... lol

[last dirge]

RED TEAM WINS

[steel urchin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cut-through_forwarding

[forest edge]

I think CTF is referred to as different things by diffrent manufactures

[river rune]

Ok, but that is a switching protocol, not a routing protocol...

[forest edge]

linksys calls it ctf but like someone else may refer to it as fastapcket or something lol

[steel urchin]

the industry term is CTF, so i use that term

[last dirge]

TERRORISTS WIN

[steel urchin]

asus, linksys, netgear, all 3rd party, they all call it CTF

[valid halo]

This is a reminder to explain your acroynms

[last dirge]

gotta make sure everybody understands the TLAs

[forest edge]

ah well i remember reading it wasn't a universal term

[last dirge]

and ETLAs

[clear ferry]

I just ordered parts for smart green house v2

[forest edge]

what it does is universal but the name wasn't

[clear ferry]

V1 didn't work out

[valid halo]

A smart green house?

That is nifty

[last dirge]

green house

if you know what I mean

[steel urchin]

well i figured someone who was willing to correct me on something would know what they were talking about 😉

[clear ferry]

Aye, automatic watering based on dryness of soil, and controlling fans and temperature

[last dirge]

can it open windows?

to vent?

[clear ferry]

It will

[last dirge]

neat

[clear ferry]

Also, infiniband or gtfo you casuals 😛

[last dirge]

what sensors does it use?

[clear ferry]

I have three different soil sensors I'm going to try out

[steel urchin]

lol actually that reminds me... i need to hit up my mellanox contact

[river rune]

I made a diy soil moisture sensor using nails and it worked great until they rusted...

[clear ferry]

Mmmm mellanox

Proper networking

[last dirge]

I bought some of those miflora sensors

[clear ferry]

Mellanox

[last dirge]

hopefully they'll keep me from killing these fruit trees I bought

[clear ferry]

I have a esp variant of them im going to try out

[steel urchin]

heh i can't say what i want... stupid NDAs

[clear ferry]

Don't bother with me, I'm in NDA meetings with VMware and others here and there 😛

[steel urchin]

yep same... mellanox, nvidia, amd, intel, vmware, oracle, and many others.. when you build what the "cloud" runs on you have a lot of players in the mix

[forest edge]

you guys should bring the cloud down from within..

[steel urchin]

damnit, i can't file for homestead exemption

need to update the license first... LAME

[last dirge]

I should probably update that

I've lived in this house comin up on 7 years and never transferred it from my other house

that's a big oops

[steel urchin]

oh damn! that's a shame

can you retroactively apply that? I would doubt it

[last dirge]

probably not

[steel urchin]

i save ~2200/yr just having it

i couldn't go 7 years without it lol

but our new house doesn't register in most systems so i'm trying to figure out how the heck i'm supposed to accomplish all this

hoping things start recognizing our address soon

[forest edge]

it's a joke here

max cieling is 15k lol

[steel urchin]

i asked them "how did the city manage all this crap before technology?" "oh, we'd just drive over and verify" "ok can you do that now?" "no"

[rain swift]

I'm going to attempt to set up the roku card from HACS, any gotchas to know about?

[forest edge]

it can't pull current info so never bothered with that

other than app

[rain swift]

will be my first custom card, dun dun duunnn.

where is /local/? I think I am missing the images

[steel urchin]

#frontend-archived but that goes in www folder

that you must create

[clear ferry]

@forest edge I am the ☁️

[forest edge]

@clear ferry so we take you out and that ends all this misery of hacking and dealing with forced limited api and lack of local control? where does your plane land again? lmao

[forest edge]

@scenic radish ||🐡||

[scenic radish]

@forest edge || blow me ||

[red radish]

Grr, didnt change anything (that I can tell) and now my switch doesnt turn off as it did before

[wet pilot]

sounds like <forbidden topic>

[scenic radish]

do i need to reeeee again?

[valid halo]

Reeeee

[rain swift]

reeeeeeeeeeee

[scenic radish]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[proper swift]

yay.. got my rainmachine working

[rain swift]

so.....it makes rain?

[shell siren]

Howdy howdy

[scenic radish]

https://tenor.com/view/makeitrain-pdiddy-diddy-puffdaddy-money-gif-4767084

[shell siren]

So, if you were moving into a new house (US) and wanted to replace all the switches (about 20) in the house, what would you go with? Martin Jerry? Gosund? And Tasmota or ESPHome?

[forest edge]

I would just find a panel solution in that case

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/2/19/18231753/leviton-smart-load-center-app-control-circuit-breakers-ios-android

[shell siren]

That's gonna cost about 100x as much

I can do every switch for under $300 easily. That wouldn't cover the labor to install that monster

[rough zenith]

Hi guys. Anyone here has experience on OpenOCD and/or ST-Link V2? Tried dumping a firmware from a nRf51 but apparently it's empty. Command used was claimed to be able to "dump entire firmware".
dump_image stock_nrf51.bin 0x0 0x40000

[shell siren]

I also wonder if it can control each light or just to whole circuit.

[rain swift]

hue switches are $20 each lmao

and then you have smart bulbs too

[forest edge]

next best thing would be all shelly switches if cost was the concern

[shell siren]

Not interested in bulbs. Want to do whole switches, not switch+Shelly, too much mess in the box for my liking. I didn't know Shelly had a full switch assembly, will look into that

[forest edge]

there isn't a full switch from shelly

and lol mess?

what do you care about what you cannot see? lol

[shell siren]

More connections and a rats nest of wires, just not interested in that solution

[forest edge]

something also to consider, if a smart switch dies you lose control, if something like a shelly or sonoff dies you still maintain manual control

[shell siren]

Fair point on that.

[green inlet]

Homeseer switches

[shell siren]

I should add, no cloud

Wonder what the mortality rate on smart switches is

[forest edge]

about the flip of a coin

anything like that is completely random

[green inlet]

If a dumb switch dies you lose control

[wet pilot]

and they tend to fail open

[forest edge]

well no if a shelly + dumb switch and dumb switch dies, shelly still controls the light lol

[shell siren]

But they are infinitely more simple and reliable

[green inlet]

Have there been studies?

[shell siren]

I honestly have a bit of a fire phobia about putting a Shelly in the box with the switch. May not be realistic, but it makes me uncomfortable

[green inlet]

If the zwave fails, you still have manual control

[forest edge]

thats why they pout in new standards

there is overheat protection on the shelly 1pm

[shell siren]

In reality, all these Chinese switches probably have the same hazards

[forest edge]

shelly also makes some of thiers with the ul standard if that makes ya feel any better lol

[shell siren]

I have zero data to back up my feeling, and I'm OK with that. I will worry about it endlessly, just how I am

I'm probably overthinking the whole thing anyhow

[green inlet]

So get a zwave switch

[forest edge]

get a servant, no fire risk and can do more than one light switch and dosen't lose power during outage and lose settings

[shell siren]

I'm not opposed to zwave but would prefer to not have the extra bits to use it instead of MQTT

Servant would get mad and kill me in my sleep, so no better and they would eat more than a Shelly

[green inlet]

Extra bits?

And they have to be fed

[shell siren]

Conbee and such

If I'm understanding what zwave would take

[green inlet]

Just a zwave controller

[wet pilot]

HA can control zwave natively if you get a controller

[forest edge]

you go down the zwave path then you best go back and rethink the panel lol

[wet pilot]

Zwave2MQTT is also a thing

[shell siren]

Any advantage over native MQTT?

[wet pilot]

it puts zwave devices into mqtt space

[shell siren]

Plus an extra layer, which unless it brings an advantage to the table, I'd rather avoid

[green inlet]

Plus homeseer has triple double and long press functions

[wet pilot]

no 2.4GHz

that's a huge advantage in itself

none of those devices are on your network

so another

[shell siren]

Why is that an advantage?

[wet pilot]

2.4GHz is crowded as hell

[green inlet]

Network traffic

Calling home

[wet pilot]

turn on your microwave and it interferes with 2.4

[shell siren]

I live in the middle of a corn field, literally

2.4 isn't crowded around me. Lol

[green inlet]

But you have other 2.4 devices on your network?

[wet pilot]

ok, none of the devices are on your home network then

literally not possible for them to connect to the internet

[shell siren]

Trying to think if I do. Most everything I have is 5ghz

They will be on their own isolated vlan, so not really worried about that. Already vlan the kids off on their own, so thats no biggie

[green inlet]

I am a big fan of zwave. 2.4 and 5.0 are for me 🤣

[forest edge]

overpriced groupie lol

[green inlet]

You get what you pay for 😉

[forest edge]

yea like 3 shellys to one zwave switch lol

[shell siren]

I'm just not sure zwave has any advantage for me and adds complexity. I can see use cases for it, just no real advantage for mine

If I lived somewhere that 2.4 was more congested

[green inlet]

I don’t really care what you get. You asked, I answered 🍺

[wet pilot]

are you going to set up a separate AP for these?

[rain swift]

Zwave works great for me and I don't have to hack it, and hope my house doesn't catch fire

[wet pilot]

because the other thing to keep in mind is that a wifi network can only run as fast as the slowest device

[shell siren]

They will have their own SSID in unifi

I think the only thing I have on 2.4 now is a few 8266s and my printer. Phones, PC's, TVs are all on 5ghz

[forest edge]

because the other thing to keep in mind is that a wifi network can only run as fast as the slowest device

thats for data rate. say you had a wireless g device on a mixed band with N

[green inlet]

They all share the same network though

[forest edge]

most devices like shelly and evven smart bnulbs are N

so they don't slow down the data rate

[green inlet]

Unless you have dual WANs

[forest edge]

well unless you are AC evverywhere

[rain swift]

Zwave is also a mesh which is great

Filling regular wifi with smart devices is asking for trouble

Gonna bog it down

[wet pilot]

and zwave devices can directly control eachother

[forest edge]

just hard wire everything and be done with the issues lol

[green inlet]

And zwave sounds cool.....shelly just doesn’t

[shell siren]

I'm not sure I'm buying the network congestion argument. I have a mixed network now and the slow devices like the 8266 aren't slowing down the AC devices.

[forest edge]

zwave dosen't sound 5X markup cost cool lol

especially when it's zigbee with a official sticker....

ooooooOOOOOooo

[green inlet]

But Shelly sounds 5x markdown uncool

🤣

[shell siren]

End of the day I'd wager they both have their own issues and it doesn't really matter

[green inlet]

I don’t have Zigbee but those who have both say Zigbee isn’t even close to zwave

[forest edge]

the sticker improves signal lol

[shell siren]

Like chrome makes cars faster

[scenic radish]

say what you will about zigbee, but i haven't had any issues with my stuff

[wet pilot]

zwave is a standard/protocol, zigbee is a marketing campaign

😛

[forest edge]

wifi is a standard/protocol zwave is a red headed stepchild

I just wish I could use my redlink bandwith l;ol

[shell siren]

Wifi performance is also highly dependent on what kind of AP you are running.

[forest edge]

@scenic radish TM needs your help lol

[shell siren]

If you are running the AP that is part of the router your ISP gave you, its probably not the best

[river rune]

Z-Wave is a standard protocol... just not a public standard

[rain swift]

I use the best tool for the job, my hue bulbs are zigbee, lot of my security stuff is zwave, I've got WiFi, wired, I'm getting bathed in EMF.

[river rune]

Zigbee is also a standard/protocol, just an open source one, instead of one controlled by any one entity be it public or private

[rain swift]

Just use whatever does what you want well and be happy haha

[shell siren]

I didn't expect this to be a protocol war. Lol

[rain swift]

Lol I stopped caring a long time ago

After a while in IT you don't care

Unless you're Richard stallman

[green inlet]

Has anyone ever measured the lag of each protocol? Is one significantly faster than the other? I know there are variables but I would think somewhere along the way some has done the best they can to even the playing field and benchmark

[river rune]

I have zigbee switches controlling z-wave devices... In the end it really doesn't matter

[rain swift]

This

[forest edge]

proprietary will always have the upper hand as opposed to open source

less chance for interfernces ect to effect speed

[river rune]

That depends... Open source will always have the upper hand in getting my money unless the devices don't fit the bill or the wallet

For the same cost and functionality I will choose zigbee over wifi or z-wave any day.

[forest edge]

was talking in regards to @green inlet question about speed testing

[river rune]

Oh... well, I still say it depends.

Z-wave is definately slower than zigbee or wifi due to the lower bandwith capacity. Zigbee is a slower protocol than WiFi but WiFi is generally more conjested so they should be fairly close to equal

It also depends a lot on the devices on either end

[shell siren]

I think it's whatever you are most comfortable with and are capable of supporting. Because when the wife can't turn on the kitchen light to make your sammich, what protocol it is won't matter

[green inlet]

Zwave is slower than WiFi?

[river rune]

And distance. If you are at the edge of the range of WiFi or Zigbee then Z-wave will probably be faster because it will have fewer dropped packets and be more reliable

[forest edge]

here's an alright read if you really want to get into it https://www.howtogeek.com/441296/wi-fi-vs.-zigbee-and-z-wave-which-is-better/

[river rune]

Yes, Z-wave is a lot slower than WiFi but not in a way that you would really notice for something like sensor data

Z-wave can operate at about 40Kbps
Zigbee at about 200Kbps

WiFi at whatever protocol your devices support - lag and wait times

[forest edge]

look up wifi aware, it's gonna pretty much take over evverything in the end lol