Wait no sorry, that's the cloud version
#the-water-cooler
hexed magnet
brave panther
Copycat.
scenic radish
oh lol
hexed magnet
So if you could 3d print anything of any resolution and material but you had to pay the cost of materials what would you do?
scenic radish
money
brave panther
gold.
scenic radish
next question
steel urchin
except it costs $20 to print a $1 bill
hexed magnet
I guess $100 bills would be cheaper, but gold would be a waste
brave panther
Have a continuous gold fountain 🙂
scenic radish
also how lazy am i for creating scripts that only run the ssh command lol
they're named pi and vpn and it's faster to type that than the ssh command
hidden cradle
@scenic radish I mean if lights paired can be added to Google home for control
scenic radish
or use search
steel urchin
alias'?
brave panther
hey if it works, go for it
steel urchin
scripts might be overkill for that, but yeah... combine with ssh keys and you won't even need to type a password
steel urchin
noice
scenic radish
./pi and ./vpn
steel urchin
i remember when i first found ssh keys i was in heaven, i literally spread my key around everywhere i could lol
scenic radish
spreading my seed key
brave panther
I'm guilty of the standards.
alias ll="ls -l"
function sudo {
# Does a bunch of stuff like sourcing non-root .bashrc after starting bash as root, etc
}
I just have shortcuts :|
steel urchin
nice, whatever works for you!
brave panther
EC2[centos@ip-172-31-24-54(172.31.24.54) ~]# wc -l .bashrc .bash_profile
191 .bashrc
182 .bash_profile
373 total
EC2[centos@ip-172-31-24-54(172.31.24.54) ~]#
The Pi2 is the new icon format, much nicer
brave panther
just a bit. 😄
last dirge
wooo
brave panther
last dirge
had to re-teach myself the little bit of fusion360 I knew
steel urchin
lol i absolutely hate bash scripting
brave panther
Basically my PS1 is constructed from options, that get stored in a variable, and are toggleable with a command opt
steel urchin
yep... mine is a built-in theme to zsh
brave panther
nice 😄
steel urchin
well.. oh-my-zsh anyway
brave panther
zsh has a few nice things like the current timestamp that always auto-refreshes as you type
scenic radish
i only have experience with bash
brave panther
can always look back in command output and see when you typed something
scenic radish
zsh autofill seems cool
steel urchin
zsh isn't too much different than bash
it's considered the "devops shell" for a few light reasons... has some check for deleting things so you don't screw up, case insensitive autofill, and arrays make a little more sense when scripting
last dirge
haha
if you're doing devops stuff and you're not using a framework you're doin it wrong
steel urchin
you still need a shell
last dirge
sure
last dirge
but the automation tool runs the shell stuff
last dirge
I convinced the ops guy to make me a sudoer on all the boxes I use
steel urchin
they need to 100% know what is going on and why
last dirge
he's glad to not have to deal with mundane shit
steel urchin
i can't have 2 million servers die because an automation tool is doing magic
last dirge
it's not magic
saltstack is my favorite that I've used
it lets you have minions
🙂
the company I've been with for over 5 years now had ZERO automation when I started
I set up a CI server, build pipelines, scripted deployments
steel urchin
sure, jenkins is defacto
last dirge
he's my homie
steel urchin
ROFL oh man, a reminder just announced from alexa that we forgot we set like 3 weeks ago on accident, it completley misheard us to trigger it, and it just got "stupid ass"... so it just said "I'm reminding you, stupid ass" 🤣
wet pilot
rofl
scenic radish
i love it
woeful roost
Lmao
Anyone else ever tried setting two timers of the same duration on Google Assistant and then trying to cancel either of them?
brave panther
Alexa voice detection distance is crazy... I was sitting in the living room, with a solid wall between it and the kitchen, and was just casually talking in indoor-voice tone, and said the word Alexa and it triggered her...
woeful roost
You get stuck in an endless loop
young sigil
I think if I ever succumb to purchasing a voice assistant I'll give it a brain slug. http://bjoernkarmann.dk/project_alias
brave panther
Lol wut
steel urchin
err interesting
brave panther
Cool idea though.
The "blocking until you call Alias, and Alias doing the controlling" thing.
Basically a secure proxy.
But what happens when Alias spies on you?
😄
wet pilot
who watches the watcher?
steel urchin
i have it on good authority, if you type google into google, you can break the internet
brave panther
Mr. President, the internet is down. I repeat... THE INTERNET... IS DOWN...
steel urchin
i love that show
brave panther
That's what I want to say when at Christmas, someone tells me their internet is down.
steel urchin
there's 2 shows i watch religiously.. IT Crown, and Trailer Park Boys
hushed basalt
@steel urchin drone ci is noice
steel urchin
also Firefly, but only once a year
last dirge
wooooooooo
4 day week
which means nobody's gonna get a single damn thing done
the whole time
brave panther
more like two 2-day weeks. Quite okay with me, actually. Break it up right in the middle.
last dirge
laugh reveal at 5M subs
tidal bronze
@last dirge LED's all done ?
last dirge
there's something going on with it
I have to break out the ladder and open the enclosure up to see if the power supply is overheating
if it is, I don't know what I'm gonna do 🙂
tidal bronze
What's wrong?
last dirge
if it's not, I have no clue WTF is going on
after a while if it's running white it starts freaking out
tidal bronze
What are you running? Wled?
last dirge
yeah on a d1 mini
tidal bronze
Any voltage drop ? Home runs?
last dirge
it's 16 3-LED segments
ws2811
so 1 chip per 3 LEDs
I've got 12V at the top and the bottom of the run
no brightness issues
I did have some goofiness until I injected 12V at the end
last dirge
it's 18 gauge
tidal bronze
Not great but still better than nothing
brave panther
18ga should be sufficient to carry 9 amps, more than enough for 12V strip.
last dirge
it should be no more than 2.4A
tidal bronze
check to see if there is a drop in the middle
brave panther
2.3, right.
tidal bronze
Well if online calculators/specs == real life, then you should not be having issues right 🙂
brave panther
What is the "freaking out" that you're having?
16 x 3 pixels = 48 pixels = 144 LEDs
144 LEDs x 20mA = 2.88A
That's close, but not more than 3A.
Are you using the same 12V to power your D1 mini, perhaps through a voltage regulator? That might be putting it over 3A, making things unsteady.
last dirge
pulsing, color changing
d1 is powered through the same 12V with a switching step-down
it only does it after about 5 minutes of running white on full brightness
I haven't had time to sit down and go through any troubleshooting
one of those
brave panther
Yea if you have one, I would stick a multimeter in series and see what the amp draw is. Buck converters have some power loss, so you might be pulling more than your supply can handle.
brave panther
Ah.
last dirge
might just end up getting a overkill power supply and using that
brave panther
Yeah you'd need one with A- (Amps DC) not A~ (Amps AC)
brave panther
Yeah if you have a laptop supply or maybe even a tablet supply, 12V 5A you could buck that down to 5V
forest edge
ah more electric shock convo in lounge tonight
brave panther
LOL
last dirge
it's a fluke meter but it's a entry level one
brave panther
every day @forest edge
gotcha. I've got a nice one but it's lent out to a friend sadly.
forest edge
what are you trying to do?
brave panther
if you're handy with circuitry, could build a voltage divider to measure the voltage into your D1 Mini 🙂
trying to find out why his D1 mini is having issues powering 6x strips of 3 pixels and a D1 Mini
last dirge
it's a basic fluke
I've only ever used it to check AC/DC voltage, resistance, and continuity
brave panther
I have a similar one. Can't remember the model. But a Fluke.
Think it had temperature but never needed that.
forest edge
is the issue your having anything like this? https://youtu.be/0AUfvEFBp7o
daisy chaining led strips without power injection can have some unwanted results
forest edge
is the str5etch short? or is there alot of wire between the leds?
brave panther
But anywho... That 2.4 to 2.8 Amps + ~250mA max could be putting you close to, or over, 3A. Especially with the buck converter.
last dirge
it's about 20 feet from the d1 to the first
forest edge
thats alot lol
last dirge
then for the next 9 there's about 18" between them
brave panther
you might need a dead pixel then too?
brave panther
cool.
tidal bronze
Try a temporary home run to the middle
last dirge
I'm pretty sure I'm just overrunning the power supply
tidal bronze
Whatever amazon specs take 30% off the top
last dirge
as long as all of them aren't on or they're all on but not white it seems fine
tidal bronze
Unless it's a meanwell 🙂
tidal bronze
There you go. Nothing wrong with overkill
last dirge
I'll probably just order one of those from aliexpress I linked
forest edge
lol direct connect to 120vv to be on the safe side
tidal bronze
Yep
brave panther
I have no experience with that kind of transformer but the standard aluminum box ones on Amazon and elsewhere are actually pretty efficient.
wet pilot
🔥
last dirge
but they're swiss cheeze
wet pilot
don't let out the magic smoke
brave panther
They might be the same but not sure. I like the mounting plastic holes tho.
wet pilot
lol
tidal bronze
I think total xmas leds I run is about 1200, so learned the hard way regarding home runs and 12x2
last dirge
12AWG is WAY overkill
brave panther
12V 41.7A 500W
Dear god. I would NOT trust AliExpress for that kind of power.
tidal bronze
all meanwell
brave panther
I don't care if they ... mean well ... or not. 😄
tidal bronze
I sure do 🙂
last dirge
meanwell's proud of their shit 🙂
brave panther
hehe
tidal bronze
I like set it and forget it stuff
last dirge
ronco power supplies?
last dirge
I need to stop being a cheap ass
brave panther
I did that once, [120V to 12V 5A] ("standard laptop converter"), to [12V to 5V] buck converter, trying to pull 5V 5A out of that buck converter. NOT a happy little converter. Got hot to the touch.
brave panther
+$1
Honestly 3d print a bracket if you have to. Or get someone to. It's so dang cheap.
last dirge
that one's not IP rated
brave panther
Could always stuff it in an enclosure. But that's $$$ too. 🙂
last dirge
nevermind, it's just not in the listing
forest edge
one thing i don't have yet.. a 3d printer 😢
last dirge
that'll ruin my sweet dual gang enclosure
forest edge
out of curiosity what is the goal of these 39 leds on a 20+ft run?
other than to "light up"
last dirge
deck stair illumination
forest edge
ah
last dirge
@tidal bronze I'll definitely buy that supply if using a bigger power supply seems to solve the problem
forest edge
kudo for the picture not containing a hot glue wad of mess lol
last dirge
gotta do that AFTER you take the picture
forest edge
drives me nuts the amount of hot glue i see in projects
last dirge
it's actually pretty clean
all of the wiring except for the supplemental 12V is in expandable sleeving
brave panther
What's the heckin huge board at the top?
last dirge
that's the 12V supply
last dirge
doesn't have the stones for the job
forest edge
it's the amount of wire, length
forest edge
just inject power at both ends, problem solved
brave panther
He HAS not enough power TO inject 😄
forest edge
uh oh tediore lost his mind lol
steel urchin
i want to buy an Owl here
forest edge
lol
scenic radish
Oh hey guys, didn't see you there
brave panther
xD
steel urchin
jesus that was fast
steel urchin
someone told me they were here
tidal bronze
Looking for a BR30 outdoor housing that covers most of the bulb and not only the base.... on amazon
forest edge
like a typcial flood light housing?
brave panther
tidal bronze
Yes, single holder.
scenic radish
4️⃣ ✈️
steel urchin
put the joint down
forest edge
you can buy the screw in flood light housing that are meant to go in a pair and just plug the secondary hole
last dirge
like this? BR30
forest edge
unless i'm not understanding exactly what you want
forest edge
although $40 is a bit steep
tidal bronze
https://www.amazon.com/Hubbell-5624-1-Lampholder-White/dp/B000F5MVH0 covers only the base
last dirge
Krylon's got you covered
forest edge
look at that 35 buck savings tho..
last dirge
that price anchoring tho
forest edge
@scenic radish 🤏
scenic radish
👋 😴
brave panther
o7 ?
scenic radish
\o/
brave panther
that looks liek someone falling
brave panther
\\o/
tidal bronze
Security Light Holder 🙂 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000PSBEC0/ref=twister_B00KT3TDH4
forest edge
that is a dumb invention lol
brave panther
Safety listing: wet
forest edge
like these video doorbells that use a "security screw" to keep it from getting stolen.. riiiight
brave panther
To be fair.. I just bought a second Ring doorbell, they've switched from standard Torx (star) bit to one with a hole in it. Makes it a LITTLE bit more secure. Still doesn't hold up to a crow bar but at least they are trying I guess...
forest edge
yea grats a 4 year old may struggle for an addition 60 seconds
brave panther
And Amazon will replace the doorbell if stolen. So there's that.
Others, not sure. Probably not.
forest edge
we just actually had a spree of ring doorbellls get stolen off a single street near me
brave panther
Ahh. I could only imagine what the person was thinking...
Amazon would just kill switch them.
They might be doing it for later preparations of unmonitored thefts tho.
forest edge
I don't think they were taken to be sold or used but more so to set up another job and not be spied on. atleast that's what the cops were thinking
tidal bronze
@last dirge audio exploit worked on the dash button 🙂
clear ferry
@brave panther is torix more secure than torx? Usually bit sets come with both 😂
steel urchin
torix?
torx and security torx
one has a nipple in the center... that can easily be broken or subverted with a flathead
clear ferry
We have always called the security one torix in Norway
To distinguish them
And they have always been a part of the standard bit set
So no idea what makes it secure 😂
forest edge
these days, nothing
but not so long ago it wasn't a typical bit included with sets
atleast here
always obtainable, just not something included
clear ferry
It's been standard here for... Atleast 20 maybe even 25 years
forest edge
but you also are refering to two types
the standard which is a torx that has no inner nipple in the center
which is non-security
then you havve the tox that has the center nipple
torx
clear ferry
No, both of them
forest edge
so what does norway use as a "security screw"?
clear ferry
We don't rely on such flimsy stuff 😛
forest edge
there are bunch of oddball stuff that commercial uses here that are not torx and some joe off the street can't purchase a bit for
well not everything in norway is welded lol
clear ferry
I don't think we actually have one, I have only seen star screws, but those are usually on imported electronics
We don't need special screws for such because we don't sue people who open stuff I guess 😂
clear ferry
Hell, I didn't even use to lock my car until 2002 😛
clear ferry
And in my hometown it still isn't normal to lock your front door
forest edge
well enjoy it, cause I hate to say it but even norway is gonna be catching up to the rest of us at some point on unsafe lol
it's inevitable as the world shrinks
clear ferry
Probably 😛
clear ferry
I can only rely on the numbers of UN, that has put Norway as the best country to live in the past 5 years or more 
steel urchin
aren't they paying people to move there to work in tech? or was that NZ?
forest edge
I think Norway has that prison where there is no fences or anything and all the inmates just chill outside in nature if i'm not mistaken
steel urchin
i remember seeing "hey, we'll pay you more than the natives to work here!"
clear ferry
@steel urchin not us atleast
steel urchin
but i can't remember where
forest edge
really? the documentary I watched said they all lived in peace and harmony lol
thats where they send Norway cyber crimminals lol
clear ferry
Sure, but they are still criminals 😂
forest edge
you guys get bored and hack Sony and crapo then get sent to feed the ducks
clear ferry
Noone has ever been convincted for cyber criminality though
Exactly
Piracy isn't even illegal here
forest edge
yea what is that torrent site, Pirate Bay or something is/was centraled there
forest edge
oh
clear ferry
They wanted to buy an old oil platform to host the pirate bay servers
But they got hindered
forest edge
lol
well it's housed in some fancy underground server hosting thing now, or was
it's been a few years since I dabbed my toes into looking up torrent stuff so no longer in the know lol
forest edge
you guys probably get a standard 3 hour lunch breaks too
I know japan gets 2 hour, we only get 1
light trout
We usually have 0,5
light trout
30min is the standard in norway
light trout
it's enough
forest edge
yea, but we are given an hour by law
I will say I do alot of construction type stuff so always watching the new stuff that comes onto the market for housing ect, and norway has got some of the coolest window applications i've ever seen
steel urchin
the ones that fold out into a balcony?
forest edge
Australia has the coolest campers/offroad UTVs ect. germany has some of the coolest garage door applications
nah just the design and the wrap they use. plus Norway does alot of real wood stuff
steel urchin
yeah but we get a hyperloop in 2020
forest edge
lol
steel urchin
lol
i was reading that... it's a 1 mil hyperloop in vegas... that's supposed to go up to 400mph
like... why
so i can get there in 1 second?
why not go 100 miles
forest edge
theres a few diffrent companies doing stuff like that. we were suppose to get something that links KC to st louis which is a 4 hour drive that can be made using the hyperloop in like 45 min or something
steel urchin
thath would be amazing
come put that here in austin
it takes me 2 hours to go 4 miles
forest edge
lol
brave panther
I think the 1 mile thing is a test/demo track. They're having problems maintaining speed, suction, and the technology just isn't there yet to make it a long-distance, short-term reality.
forest edge
yea was this huge thing but elon is pushing through as it seems
steel urchin
yeah, he's talking as if it's solved
plus didn't they get like all kinds of college kids working on it for grants like 5-8 years ago?
forest edge
at least it dosen't look like the new truck elon barfed out
steel urchin
if it isn't solved now, it won't be
clear ferry
@forest edge 30min standard, but it usually lasts 1h if you are with customers 😛
steel urchin
i mean, i find it weird he's working on mass transit, and auto driving, AND interstellar travel
they all seem to kind of contradict each other
forest edge
I would demand 3 hr min if I lived in Norway. 30 mins isn't enough time to soak in the surrounding views
clear ferry
But 40 weeks paid paternity / maternity leave is what my us colleagues have been most flabbergasted by
steel urchin
thta's awesome though
clear ferry
Oh, and after I've paid $300 for medical services within year, anything else is free
clear ferry
My company recently introduced 26 weeks paid maternity/paternity for all employees world wide though
forest edge
how the hell
clear ferry
Including the US
forest edge
Norway is like the Canadian heatlh services with candy strippers lol
clear ferry
😂 😂 😂 😂
steel urchin
lol
young sigil
candy strippers 🤔
steel urchin
*stripers
young sigil
Not half as much fun
clear ferry
@forest edge should I mention the $40 a birth cost me? Just because we had to rent a room for four days 
brave panther
For those of us living in the US, calling ourselves a first-world country, we seem to be falling behind more and more every year.
- Healthcare gets more expensive
- Taxes get worse
- Wages stagnate
- Cost of living increases
- Student loans through the roof
- Still not using the metric system
forest edge
has to be a population thing
cause there is noway Norway could afford to require so little while giving out so much otherwise
that just wouldn't float here
steel urchin
US taxes are some of the lowest in the world
forest edge
our medical services are a complete expensive joke imo
steel urchin
which is WHY we don't have good healthcare and such... democratic socialism is adopted better in other countries...
but... this is leading into politics so imma shut up
forest edge
sure we got some fancy medical advancement crap but if it costs me more than my house to have a damn surgery then something isn't quite right lol
brave panther
yeah I was in a bicycling accident in 2016, cost $1000 for ambulance ride 6 miles, another $600 for 4 stitches and some numbing shot and Advil for later pain. And $150 to have the staples removed with what can only be described as basically a paper stapler remover.
forest edge
lol
steel urchin
yep....
forest edge
you forgot the $100 entry and exit fee for simply passing the door
brave panther
had another minor one 2017, said "NOPE", used some super glue. Problem solved. Went home and cleaned up.
clear ferry
Stop biking
steel urchin
cut my achilles tendon.... went to the hospital and they were like "nope, you have to go to the ER room right in the next door"... they pulled an ambulance up for me, drove maybe 10 car lengths... $1500
clear ferry
A lot cheaper
brave panther
Rather have a slight scar on eyebrow than another $2000 in medical debt. And lol atxbyea 🙂 That's my thing man.
clear ferry
BIKEMAN
brave panther
More expensive to be overweight and be getting insulin or whatever.
clear ferry
🚲
steel urchin
it's a racket i tell ya
forest edge
it really is
forest edge
lol
brave panther
most discomforting thing in the world is trying to hold a server up and install cage nuts at the same time...
with no rails.
clear ferry
Been there, done that, a lot
brave panther
yup.
brave panther
always tell myself I'd like to get one of those server jacks...
but never do
so dang expensive. one of these days.
steel urchin
just tie a rope around it, fling it over a rafter. bingo bango bongo
brave panther
i've used picture hanging wire tied through the holes to hold servers up while i install cage nuts..
clear ferry
@forest edge sign of great happiness should also be we are always the first country in Europe that sells the biggest servers, or the newest all SSD systems 😂
95% of all drives we sell are SSDs
brave panther
Does that spark joy?
light trout
No
clear ferry
Yes, you should know the feeling of moving from spindle to ssd 😂
brave panther
well, lack of feeling 😉
forest edge
is it Norway or Sweden that houses that global safekeeping underground fortress that like stockpiles samples of literally everything to keep incase of a global catastrophe?
light trout
No more time to drink coffee
brave panther
no vibrato
light trout
Svalbard (Norway)
clear ferry
@forest edge Norway,at Svalbard
forest edge
I'd like to see that in person
clear ferry
We have a few servers in there, it's nice 
brave panther
Github recently announced their cold storage, up in the arctic.
going to make a 100% backup of all open source repos.
light trout
Same location
clear ferry
@forest edge did I mention that almost all electricity here is created with hydroelectric ?
light trout
Really? What about oljen vår?
forest edge
in 1,000 years the git will be incompatible with every system thus no one able to view it lol
clear ferry
That doesn't create electricity @light trout😛
forest edge
I thought it was partial thermal
or maybe that's just the greenhouses you guys house so you can have fresh bananas lol
maybe that's Greenland
I watch so much crap that sometimes things meld together but I I nevver forget the town pictures from Norway
clear ferry
We use ground heat to warm bigger houses, or spill water to heat even bigger buildings
My hometown looks nice in winter
forest edge
I just remember this huge greenhouse ran off geothermal and it was a huge thing cause they could grow bananas locally for the first time ever
clear ferry
Yeah, I heard about that
Most houses use heat pumps only for heating
Or water if you are close to big cities
Oil heating was outlawed a few years ago
tidal bronze
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Products-g190455-Norway.html husky sledding ride sounds interesting
light trout
That's really fun
clear ferry
Yeah, that is quite nice
brave panther
Hearing their stories is awe-inspiring.
clear ferry
The longest one is 1200km
brave panther
Talking about going 30-100 miles in a day, stopping only to rest. Not sure if they need to stop or keep going to dodge storms, or if they have enough food to keep going.
clear ferry
They send it live on TV here too I believe
brave panther
very neat.
light trout
Both the riders, and the dogs needs that rest
brave panther
absolutely.
forest edge
this is what many of us picture who don't live there. https://blog-cdn.routeperfect.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/05143007/shutterstock_246599548.jpg as in the beauty
brave panther
it'd seem like borderline abuse but you can see the bond they have with their owner/master
clear ferry
@forest edge a normal Norwegian farm area you say ? 😛
forest edge
that would be just awesome to live right there and.. have gigabit internet lol
clear ferry
I pass hundreds like that on my way to one datacenter
brave panther
lmao gigabit in the middle of a hundred acres all to yourself.
forest edge
that would be perfect for me lol
clear ferry
@brave panther I live between a few farm areas, I can have gigabit 😂
Note, our gigabit is ftth and 1000/1000 and no caps 😛
forest edge
google giber is that here
brave panther
nice. good stuff.
forest edge
fiber
brave panther
google giber, and google taker.
forest edge
it's true gigabit up and down
brave panther
google fiber pulled out of my city.
brave panther
forest edge
atleast they didn't surround your city and then stop before giving you fiber like they did me
literally all around my city has google cept my city
brave panther
basically they shit all over the streets to save money on costs, and had issues with cheap installation.
brave panther
tons of roads destroyed (those thin strips of pavement cut out) then they were like "yeah, never mind"
clear ferry
Lol wtf
brave panther
had to pay a ton of money
steel urchin
yeah they bombed in Austin as well.... thousands of people paid the $1300 and never got it
brave panther
mhm
steel urchin
still don't have refunds 6 years later
clear ferry
$1300 wtf
forest edge
it was a cost saving move they had hoped would make laying fiber cheaper
but ended up being a disaster
steel urchin
yeah they had to install it to the home
hushed basalt
Tech companies are bad citizens
Uber, Google, etc. They all suck outside their core business
brave panther
yeah basically they wanted people to form "fiber communities" where they all agreed in an area to split the bill to get the line dropped, and you got it for $70/mo after
steel urchin
and even at their cores lol
hushed basalt
True
forest edge
well google did spark other broadband companies to up their game regardless which is what they set out to do
brave panther
this is true @forest edge
hushed basalt
Well tech companies suck at things that aren't explicitly tech
steel urchin
i keep saying they need to build a city that is literally dedicated to technology, easy transportation (or an understanding that remote-but-close-by-proximity works just as well), and semi-densely populated
forest edge
thats in china
steel urchin
let's get ol Billy Gates
clear ferry
I paid $200 for ftth installation in 2004 and $300 in 2016
brave panther
Insight/Time Warner/Spectrum got off their butts a few years ago and gave everyone "free" upgrades from what they had to around 5x the same speed, since they switched off of all coax lines to fiber (same space can run 100x the data)
steel urchin
mmmm no, they just have lots of tech... i'm talking, a city with no manual driving cars (or maybe any type of individual transportation)
forest edge
you want shenzhen for that city built on tech lol
brave panther
you want pollution, go ahead 🙂
steel urchin
no i go there annually, that is NOT built on tech
it is FILLED with tech
completely different
forest edge
it's suppose to be
clear ferry
It's like blade runner
forest edge
it was their grand experiment that's why it's not sanctioned the same as the rest of china
and because of it we all get cheaper HA devices lol
tidal bronze
New tech is all in Chengdu
steel urchin
it's impressive for sure.. but it honestly feels like a giant landfill
steel urchin
ok i gotta be up in a few hours so i should try to sleep
midnight adder
I'd rather get time warners cable tv again than have all my internet traffic routed through google.
That said, and this affects all google & other isp can't even attempt to compete at this point.
brave panther
Honestly I'd be inclined to agree with that. Google sees enough of my traffic as is.
midnight adder
Basically all curent isps in the us have settle on a truce, like gangs dividing up territory between each other.
brave panther
"price fixing"
midnight adder
More like
Give us money or be a hermit your worthless sods
That kind of attitude is why cable tv is dying thank god
clear ferry
Lol, in Norway they are required to allow competitors to lease lines
midnight adder
HOLY SHIT
DOES NORWAY HAVE JOBS CAUSE I
I'M BOUT TO LEARN A SECOND LANGUAGE IN THAT CASE
midnight adder
Ok but I can't read
Jokes aside
All this camera stuff kinda makes me wanna pursue a career in home security.
clear ferry
Ta det med ro, det går så bra så, @light trout skaffer deg jobb 
midnight adder
Either that or just get a job monitoring cameras all day
I do kinda like the idea of trying to be a startup setting up home security for everybody.
clear ferry
Home automation in the commercial fashion still hasn't taken off in Norway
midnight adder
I'm in the US atm.
clear ferry
Most of my friends who work in electrical installation haven't even heard of home automation
So that market should take speed soon
I would hope
midnight adder
Well. Maybe it's viable market now in the US.
I'm unemployed & finding a job is hell here despite what the republicans or democrats want you to believe based on who is in the white house atm.
The thing about it is if I were to try & do a startup with this not even sure if the license for home assistant allows for this I couldn't buy any hardware to have it pre setup, would basically only be charging people for a service charge to get it all setup.
clever mortar
I don't think there's any restriction on people charging for setup/management
Indeed, I'm pretty sure others have done that already
midnight adder
Huh. Not seeing that either.
All I see is the contributers are not liable to anybody for commercial damages
Which is completely fair imo
Time out outcuck amazon on the home smart system front then.
forest edge
the liability aspect of trying to earn money off an open source software project that has direct control over things that can seriously impact a person's life is enough to make me not want to poop
it's one thing to offer said software freely, another to promote it as a product and sale it
midnight adder
In case, I'll just hunt down a security job where I watch cameras all day.
forest edge
I don't mean just the software aspect, i mean the installation as you would call it lol
midnight adder
I'm really just brainstorming ideas at this point.
Cause as I said before, unemployment is hell.
forest edge
micky d's is usually hiring lol
midnight adder
I would but here's the problem with that.
I have screws in my right knee.
Otherwise I'd have applied to places like lowes, target, walmart, & all of that already.
forest edge
if it's a case that you can only stand for x amount of time plenty of those places offer positions that givve you the ability to sit for long durations
in fact the drive thru at many fast food places has a chair lol
midnight adder
Oh. Well shit. I did not know that.
In that case, I'll just go for it then.
Cause believe me, standing 30 minutes, kne practically wants to hang itself for at least an hour after the fact.
Though I'm hoping after I drop all this weight I then start exercising, I can stand for longer.
Car accident really fucked my knee up.
forest edge
yup and they can't discriminate against a disability so as long as the position you apply for doesn't explicitly require lifting or standing then they can't turn you away and are required by law to accommodate your disability in the position you applied for
midnight adder
The hard ass part is getting the job.
You would think having done summer hire back in middle school would help with job hunting but nope.
forest edge
yea our markets are returning so jobs are being snatched up
there's always positions that accomidate your knee issue, even gas pump attendants have chairs lol
midnight adder
Hmm
I should stop listening to my parents completely then.
All they have done as make shit impossible for me.
clever mortar
As I said to somebody yesterday - focus on what you can do, not on what you can't
forest edge
yea now your going outside the borders of what #the-water-cooler was designed for, parent talk is more for #general-archived
clever mortar
If you keep applying, and keep trying, you'll get something
midnight adder
I have.
clear ferry
I've never listened to anybody
clever mortar
I dunno, job search chat, that's exactly here
midnight adder
Got nothing.
clever mortar
Keep
Trying
clear ferry
I have no proper education 😛
midnight adder
Now they wanna force me to volunteer for red cross.
clever mortar
Might take a while, but persistence pays off
forest edge
you live in Norway you only need to know how to feed the ducks..
clear ferry
And I work in a job that required a five year master's🤷
clever mortar
Yeah, I miss the nominal requirements for my job by so far it's almost funny
clear ferry
I even flunked higher education when I tried
clever mortar
Took me over a year to land my first job. Next time I went proper job hunting, with experience, it took 6+ months
Oh, I got through higher education by having my now-wife kick my backside to get through it
Without the pressure from her, I'd likely have dropped out like most of my friends
forest edge
lol
midnight adder
Problem is pressure from my parents has been to just do what they want me to do like some kind of slave.
clever mortar
Yeah, but the only way to break that is to push back, gently at first, but... it's kind of a binary outcome here
clear ferry
Poor parenting imo 🤷
clever mortar
Very
clear ferry
If my daughter wants to become a garbage truck driver ill encourage her🤷
light trout
When she is of age to do that, it should be automated at that point
clever mortar
Yeah, our son understands that the key thing is that he enjoys his future job(s)
Heck, the discussions around subject choices have been you need this, you should do this, what's left that's fun
clear ferry
My father just encouraged everything I liked, so that is why I enjoy computers, musical instrument, electronics and cooking 😂
He did try to hint me into becoming a flight coordinator, but that was just because I was indecisive at one point
clever mortar
Sadly, too many "parents" like that
midnight adder
Yep
I'm 24 & the only thing that changed is I don't get beat anymore.
Can't even ask to borrow to truck without them asking where I'm going, who I'm going with, text us the address, etc.
clear ferry
I'm glad I moved out when I was 16 or my mother would have probably had her say
light trout
Same here
midnight adder
Could not afford to. Still can't.
clever mortar
My mother tried, thankfully my Dad was a moderating voice
midnight adder
I had a friend in arizona offer me a place to stay provided I find work there & pay rent.
Asked for help because I couldn't afford the plan ticket or survive the first month or two.
Only if I find work though.
Get told to find work here, save money, then move.
That's the whole problem is finding work here to begin with.
light trout
In Norway students gets a pretty decent loan, to get out starting on their education away from home.
clear ferry
Yeah, when I was a student we got $7000 per semester I think
light trout
I think I got around $15000 and 50% was written off when I completed the semster
midnight adder
In america, we either contribute to the machine or die & get beat on if we try to claw our way up again.
clear ferry
midnight adder
Lowkey wish.
hushed basalt
Do you think I'll be kicked out of my python meetup if I convert all my stuff to 2 space indentation
It's just
So:
Wide
What's wrong with 8 space indentention 😛
hushed basalt
I love 2 space indentation :D
Yaml, JavaScript, doesn't kill line length and keeps everyhing narrow yet readable
If only tabs were convention, then everyone could just view things how they wanted
forest edge
trying to find light an rgb rf or wifi bookshelf type light that doesn't look dumb. something small but will blend in next to other crap sitting there
like the only options i'm finding is cube or ball.. cube.. or ball..
clever mortar
Strip?
You could run an LED strip along the back of the shelf, so that it's out of sight
forest edge
I thought about that but it been cool to have something more decorative even if it was like a kids thing lol
I thought I saw something in a youtube video where it was like a small cloud shape rgb thing that was controlled via rf remote so I was hoping there would be other stuff like that but all i am finding is cubes and balls and occasional eggs lol
although I guess i could find something and stuff an rgb strip inside it lol
oh i guess they make rgb candles that may work in a pinch
hushed basalt
How about just any light you like with an e14 rgb bulb in it
tulip sage
Could you not just buy a shape or create a shape with semi transparent material (like what lamp shades use) and line it with a strip?
clear ferry
My cc1352 arrived at the local FedEx facility this morning
midnight adder
hi there
midnight adder
is anyone here running proxmox on Ryzen embedded? i.e. V1605 for example
like udoo bolt or some OnLogic fanless PC
clear ferry
Scheduled delivery:
Tuesday 1/07/2020 by 6:00 pm
clever mortar
First of July... that's crappy delivery
scenic radish
😢
clever mortar
YMD and DMY are both more obvious, that strange abomination of MDY...
scenic radish
Idk, MDY makes sense to me. I understand the logic of smallest to largest and vice versa though
Could just be that's what I've always known
last dirge
@clever mortar when you say a date out loud how do you say it?
scenic radish
I was wondering the same thing
clever mortar
Day first
last dirge
that seems really odd
clever mortar
30th of January
scenic radish
Well we say that too, but more commonly January 30
last dirge
why say lot word when few word do trick?
clever mortar
Because English
The language that has more variations than anybody has hot dinners
scenic radish
Is your name actually Kevin, Brian?
last dirge
it is not
scenic radish
Also why is your username so long? https://youtu.be/6-1Ue0FFrHY
last dirge
@clever mortar what do you call the individual at a school that serves meals to students?
last dirge
what's their occupation called?
lol
I've always heard people call them dinner ladies
which I think is hilarious
last dirge
you call the meal in the middle of the day dinner?
at least the US version is alliterative
lunch lady
clever mortar
Well, depends on where in the UK you are
scenic radish
Some places in the US it's breakfast - dinner - supper
clever mortar
Different parts of the UK call lit different things
scenic radish
For some odd reason...
clever mortar
dinner, lunch, etc
Dinner and supper also refer to the evening meal, sometimes
Which may be called tea time, as opposed to the drink
Which may of course refer to a mid-afternoon snack
So... you know, obvious stuff really
last dirge
so milk first or tea first?
clever mortar
Eh, I personally don't care that much
If the tea is half decent it'll taste much the same either way
If it's crap, it's still crap no matter how you make it
last dirge
I thought that was a subject that'd cause fist fights
clever mortar
Also, I tend to have my tea black 😉
clever mortar
Fist fights is also what happens if you ask whether you have salad cream on your sandwich or not...
If that's a cucumber sandwich (or tuna), then of course you do
scenic radish
I also prefer coffee black, unless it's crappy, then some sugar helps
What is salad cream...
clever mortar
scenic radish
Ah, sounds like mayo
clever mortar
Yeah, but nothing like it
Mayo is thicker and creamer, this is slightly more astringent
scenic radish
Ah
clever mortar
And then you get https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Sandwich_Spread for your sandwich
scenic radish
I don't really like mayo but I like aioli which is basically fancy mayo lol
scenic radish
All we ask is $2.75, the price of your Monday coffee...
Wikipedia seriously overestimates how much my morning coffee costs
clever mortar
😄
scenic radish
When you make it yourself it's like $0.20/cup
I calculated it once
Because I'm a nerd
clever mortar
😄
I used to make my own, but it's a faff taking it all the way to work, so I stop at an independent little place that does decent coffee instead now
As a bonus, it's cheaper than the chains
scenic radish
No travel mug? A good one is a game changer
clever mortar
I have one
But it's a collapsible one, as I don't really have room for a full size mug
scenic radish
Ah makes sense
valid halo
Get a smart travel cup.
scenic radish
AUTOMATED
valid halo
You can buy a data harvester that heats your coffee
scenic radish
So I bought one of those party trays with the little circles of salami and pepperoni and crackers for the new year party I'm going to...and that's what I'm the most excited about for it
static schooner
Ember FTW
valid halo
The coffee thing I mentioned is called Ember
tulip sage
Mmm cheese and crackers
static schooner
tulip sage
@@scenic radish Talking about fist fights.. Pineapple on pizza?
static schooner
The new version is much better then the first one
clever mortar
Who... who lets their coffee sit long enough that it needs a £180 travel mug.
clever mortar
My £10 insulated mug keeps my coffee hot longer than I need it to, and frankly my uninsulated travel mug does just fine
clever mortar
Or, you know, you could just drink it
valid halo
As an ADD boi I'm offended. I take at least 6 hours to finish a cup :P
clever mortar
Then you need to make smaller cups 😛
valid halo
ADD Co. Presents the Thimble Cup!
clever mortar
Aka Espresso
clever mortar
Checks banned topics, decides not to insult our cousins over the pond
clear ferry
Brb order a 45ounce cup of coffee, however not sure how much that is 😂
Is it a lot? I will never know with my limited metric knowledge
valid halo
1.3 Commie zunits
clear ferry
Enough then 😂
last dirge
what the hell is up with our measurement system though
the ONLY time length measurements make sense is when you're talking about machining/manufacturing with tolerances in thousandths of an inch
unreal orbit
It never makes sense.
clever mortar
You're asking somebody from a country where hogshead and butt are valid units
unreal orbit
Heh
last dirge
someone realized long enough ago that "hey, maybe making this base 10 is a good idea so our measurements are accurate"
unreal orbit
butt
clever mortar
And don't forget your firkin
last dirge
but they were like "nah, keep inches though"
I've been doing software for a pretty big shipping logistics company for a while now
they do indeed ship butts
clever mortar
The UK is still transitioning to metric
I mean, officially we're metric, except where we're not
last dirge
and you drive on the wrong side of the road
clever mortar
You mean you do 😛
last dirge
technically more people drive on the left than the right
but more countries drive on the right
clever mortar
165 to 75 - but you're still all wrong 😄
scenic radish
Haha butt
scenic radish
I'd like a buttload of butt bud light
clever mortar
Flavoured water 🤔
unreal orbit
If you consider piss a flavor
valid halo
Don't fight with words. Fight with AUTOMATED ROBOT GLADIATORS
tidal bronze
@last dirge Thanks for the link got most of the dash buttons to work with the audio exploit. Didn't need any headphones etc, just played the audio file with the phone.
tidal bronze
WAN-OUT deny rule on ER, yes
last dirge
and they don't lose their config after their request?
tidal bronze
Interesting the exploit worked on unopened ones and ones that I was using. Probably didn't have the latest firmware. No
2 or 3 mins for each setup.
tidal bronze
dasher. Change the delay to 30 seconds
last dirge
I need to prioritize fixing that
you used that dude's python script to configure them?
tidal bronze
Takes about 20~30 seconds for the time out or it will trigger again.
No. Put in setup mode by holding. Connect to dasher access point. Get the MAC. Block the MAC. Play the audio file. Put in setup mode. Set AP/PASS and you are good to go.
http://192.168.0.1/?amzn_ssid=<wifi_network_name>&amzn_pw=<wifi_network_pw>
last dirge
that's a GET request?
tidal bronze
If it takes the exploit turns green
forest edge
I want a couple of those lol
clear ferry
I love the American concept of just pressing a button and having something delivered
I don't think any other country has something similar
tulip sage
Should have warning on back (keep out of reach of children)
forest edge
thankfully it's not a normal common thing
last dirge
@forest edge where do you live?
forest edge
I'm dead center of the states.. land locked in MO lol
last dirge
good ol' misery
clear ferry
I want to go to MO
last dirge
if you really want some you could send me a couple bucks and I'll send you 2
I think I've got like 10 I'm not using
clear ferry
No wait, it's Montana I want to go to, keep your Missouri 😛
forest edge
I'd have to come up with a solid reason to use it first. atm I got no justification but still want a couple haha
last dirge
I've only got 3 that see regular usage
clear ferry
And I want to go to Minnesota
last dirge
I've got two of them by the back door
one I press before taking the dogs out and if the temp is high enough it fires a request to opensprinkler to run a zone that has a set of irrigation misters on my deck
forest edge
whats in Montana that you'd want to go there? not that Missouri is any better but neither is Montana
last dirge
it sprays the deck for a minute to cool it down
clear ferry
@forest edge the scenery
forest edge
open fields of grass isn't much to look at imo
last dirge
then there's one I press after coming in with the dogs that fires a request to opensprinkler that runs my back yard sprinkler zone for a minute to dilute the dogs' pee so it doesn't burn the grass
tidal bronze
That's a great idea. I have it for pool cleaner to run the quick clean for pool pump.
clear ferry
@forest edge doesn't look like this you say? https://images.app.goo.gl/NzeX1xdKkajtfv6d9
forest edge
yea I don't have any automations or anything that require a press of a button atm, but who knows maybe one day
tidal bronze
Oh and the gardeners to check sprinklers from time to time.
forest edge
some parts look like that but heck you got that already lol
the Grand Canyon is something to come see if you have nothing like it
stuff like that is worth seeing cause you can't see it back home ect
like seeing a city like New York for the first time
raven ember
The Badlands in the Dakotas
forest edge
or las vegas
but mountains and grass ect is not gonna be any diffrent then what you see at home. now if you come where i am where the flat is basically super flat you can see fields for miles so I would image that may be a little diffrent. don't think Norway has any spots where the planet goes pancake for as far as Kansas lol
well south africa would be flat like that but not quite have the same grass hehe
last dirge
I've got a serious case of the Mondays
tidal bronze
Same. Been on the phone since 4:15 AM. Don't want to fly at least for a week. 😅
clear ferry
You should see Denmark @forest edge we just make fun of them because when they see a roundabout they think it is a mountain
clear ferry
Might be, they just speak so foul they don't understand themselves
forest edge
lol
forest edge
haha
here down in some parts of some southren states you can find people in small armpit towns that have a language barrier like that lol
you can't understand a thing they are saying unless you happen to have grown up there speaking just like them
clear ferry
Just like @clever mortar 
For real though, I played in a wow guild 15 years ago with a 50 year old Scottish lady from far up in the Highlands, she ended up not using ventrilo and started typing instead
It was harsh
forest edge
yea see 50 year old woman playing world of warcraft using ventrilo. this is how you guys become so good at hacking cause you get bored!
clear ferry
I think we had 4 people above 50 in my wow guild
And we had 5 guys from the Finnish military too, so we got to ride a tank in the woods on the first guild meeting
forest edge
thats not uncommon for men here but women initially didn't want anything to do with online games when they were that age lol
forest edge
I use to play wow from the later 90's into the 2000's.
forest edge
duct tape
valid halo
Apparently the guy "stepped on it"
wet pilot
Get a display assembly from your vendor and bill it to the dudes department
scenic radish
Looks more like Godzilla stepped on it
raven ember
For recorder, MariaDB or PostGres?
clever mortar
#330944238910963714 for Home Assistant questions @raven ember
See the channel topics 😉
raven ember
Meh, I wasn't paying attention
peak cloud
You’re just now figuring that out?
forest edge
could be worse, those could be sex toys
scenic radish
🤨
forest edge
lol
scenic radish
Those are on the other side of the wall
peak cloud
Admitting you have a problem is the first step
scenic radish
I can stop whenever I want
brave panther
Is that a problem?
brave panther
Caffeine keeps some of us on the sane side. I don't know what I'd do without my caffeine.
scenic radish
Reminds me of this scene from Scrubs: https://youtu.be/-uNcYKt3XXE
raven ember
scenic radish
Excellent show btw
scenic radish
Nothing new at least
peak cloud
I think it was canceled many years ago
brave panther
Ahh. I still see reruns rarely but have not actively looked to re-watch them all..
scenic radish
Yeah
peak cloud
Like 2010
brave panther
ok
brave panther
Lost-style?
scenic radish
Never watched Lost
brave panther
Honestly I thought Lost was decent, just took a long time to build up. Then they axed it and rushed the last season and WTF DON'T GO BACK
peak cloud
Yup 2010