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hidden laurel Dec 17, 2019, 2:14 AM

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What do you think happens in a try catch block?

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 2:15 AM

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it means not having to write if error over and over and over

hidden laurel Dec 17, 2019, 2:15 AM

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ah

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I don't mind that

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:16 AM

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A catch block doesn't need to be in the normal execution path, though, particularly in compiled languages.

peak cloud Dec 17, 2019, 2:16 AM

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I haven’t delved much into mathy languages like those mentioned either.

hidden laurel Dec 17, 2019, 2:17 AM

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I actually like the pattern in go of if err return it really encourages linear flows for logic

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 2:18 AM

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i'm a huge fan of try/except/else flows

peak cloud Dec 17, 2019, 2:18 AM

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I’ve grown pretty fond of try/catch blocks.

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 2:18 AM

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bonus if you add the finally to the end

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:19 AM

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I have to say, i really don't like try/catch… D's scope method is much nicer. "If something throws, do this on your way past".

peak cloud Dec 17, 2019, 2:19 AM

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However, I do prefer Python’s approach to it, where you can statically catch specific exception types across multiple blocks.

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 2:20 AM

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in the product i work on we have to deal with un-reliable user data so exception handling is key

hidden laurel Dec 17, 2019, 2:21 AM

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sounds like input validation is key

peak cloud Dec 17, 2019, 2:21 AM

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Enter HTML5 (for web, anyhow)

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 2:22 AM

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unreliable users, user-data and lazy support. we have to make pretty messages when "bad things" happen or they freak out

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:22 AM

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If the data gets far enough to cause an exception, it's gotten too far already.

hidden laurel Dec 17, 2019, 2:22 AM

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we abstracted the error messaging so the ux people can fuck off and do their own thing

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but yeah you should have better input validation instead of relying on exceptions throw in the backend

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 2:23 AM

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meh, its mostly catching requests exceptions when they put in bad URLs

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requests throws exceptions on 4/5xx errors

hidden laurel Dec 17, 2019, 2:24 AM

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I have several questions now that I don't for see good answers for

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but generally your route handling should be abstract to the point where it's not an exception it's a general flow

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 2:25 AM

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that's how a lot of python libs work. when you call a function you either get the data you're expecting or an exception

hidden laurel Dec 17, 2019, 2:25 AM

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I don't generally work with py but it sounds strange

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:26 AM

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This is true… Even some of the core stuff works that way. Which is annoying, given how expensive exceptions are in Python.

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The biggest problem with exceptions, is that they carry stack-frame information with them. Which is a horrid waste when they're being used for non-errors.

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The standard "find an items index in a list" function. Throws AttributeError if the item isn't in the list. I don't need a stacktrace for that.

hidden laurel Dec 17, 2019, 2:31 AM

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my problem with exceptions is just that they feel messy

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and like I shouldn't use them

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:33 AM

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Most of the time you can avoid them — like using dict's get method with a default value. So I actually use very few try's, and mostly only to catch actual errors. Any avoidable exception, I do my utmost to avoid.

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 2:33 AM

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or key errors if you do a hard lookup on a dictionary

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:34 AM

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I generally only do that if I know the items there already, or if I explicitly want it to fall back to a lower try/catch block that's there for something else already.

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 2:35 AM

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yep

peak cloud Dec 17, 2019, 2:35 AM

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Exceptions excel where they fall short: the stack chain.

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 2:36 AM

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the StopItteration is kinda obnoxious too though

peak cloud Dec 17, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Exceptions allow you to catch virtually any error from any underlying module, but at the expense of resources.

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Oh, ghod yes… What idiot thought that was a good idea. shudders

peak cloud Dec 17, 2019, 2:37 AM

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I really need to get better at programming, and branch out to new/better programming concepts.

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:38 AM

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Well, get away from JS, C#, and VB… 😛

hidden laurel Dec 17, 2019, 2:38 AM

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that's a solid starting point

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py is cool go is cool java is on its way out

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js frameworks like react/angular are cool

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 2:39 AM

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"cool" but also a hot mess

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:39 AM

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D is freaking awesome. Thought I might be a little biased…

hidden laurel Dec 17, 2019, 2:39 AM

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rust is also hot

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 2:39 AM

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forcing oop on a language that wasn't designed for it 😛

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:41 AM

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Rust is making it's way deep into the Embedded market… I'm trying to avoid it, but, I doubt I will be able for long.

hidden laurel Dec 17, 2019, 2:41 AM

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I get to write foundational APIs in go for the project I work on

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It's pretty lit

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:46 AM

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It's kinda interesting Microsoft are trying to consume Rust…

hidden laurel Dec 17, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Rust is the cool new thing

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I honestly haven't looked into it too much

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:47 AM

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It's got insane memory safety, and minimal overheads. That's why it's rocketing into embedded systems.

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:47 AM

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I'm learning javascript atm

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I know python

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:48 AM

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Mirosoft want it for the same reasons, for kernel/driver stuff.

hidden laurel Dec 17, 2019, 2:48 AM

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makes sense

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I don't really write stuff where that matters which is why I haven't touched it

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:48 AM

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@hushed basalt You have my condolences…

hidden laurel Dec 17, 2019, 2:48 AM

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it's not too late to stop

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you can learn something useful like go or java or how to spell your name

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:49 AM

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Lok

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I don't think it's possible to avoid knowing javascript if you do anything with web nowadays

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Backend only stuff sure,

hidden laurel Dec 17, 2019, 2:49 AM

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It is

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:50 AM

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Regrettably… I stand by my assertion that JavaScript should never, ever, have been allowed anywhere remotely near a browser.

hidden laurel Dec 17, 2019, 2:50 AM

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js bad

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:50 AM

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It's not about what's the best language, it's about the best employability :D

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You'll love to know that nodejs and react are on my list next ;)

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:50 AM

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Same goes for PHP… Languages that actively encourage you to make mistakes, are NOT web-friendly.

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:51 AM

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I'm not touching wordpress with a 10 foot pole though

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:51 AM

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That's written in PHP, isn't it?

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:53 AM

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Yeah

peak cloud Dec 17, 2019, 2:53 AM

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Yes, WP is written in PHP.

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:53 AM

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Plus it's all about those third party plugins

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Who likes fragility and huge attack surfaces

peak cloud Dec 17, 2019, 2:54 AM

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tucks his tail between his legs and quietly walks away.

hidden laurel Dec 17, 2019, 2:54 AM

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Job security

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:56 AM

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What have I done

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Grown a third arm?

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 2:58 AM

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threw an OOM exception?

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 2:59 AM

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Isn't that what cows do?

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 2:59 AM

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maybe if you tip them over

celest aspen Dec 17, 2019, 2:59 AM

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anyone have a high res hass rainbow logo, as shown on the new shirt?

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 2:59 AM

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aussie cows say Woo?

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@hushed basalt plz confirm!

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 3:04 AM

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I think it depends on your vantage point… I'm pretty sure all American cows say Woo… most of the politicians there, too.

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 3:04 AM

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Our cows just get bought by the chinese

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 3:05 AM

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…along with the rest of the country.

ocean mirage Dec 17, 2019, 3:05 AM

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lol

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Australia's open for business

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 3:16 AM

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lol

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 3:16 AM

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All stock must go

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Friend or family of a minister? Huge discounts apply!

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Time to move to Mars

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 3:24 AM

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ok Elon

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 3:26 AM

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Nah elons shit

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I'll become Emperor of Mars

peak breach Dec 17, 2019, 3:26 AM

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It's gonna be worse on Mars… Governments have figured out how to ignore pesky thinks like people, and sell out to the corporations.

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 4:42 AM

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any network gurus here? been a while, and i have the exact opposite issue i've ever come across... port forwarding is working fine for clients on a remote network, but clients from the same network are not routing through the port forwarding??

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 4:44 AM

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@steel urchin that makes sense

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Is the port forward a direct port

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So 80 to 80 etc

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Or is it different like 5080 to 80

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 4:45 AM

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direct port

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but i've tried both, same effect

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 4:45 AM

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Well that's easy, you need to either have the internal clients call the hostname of the server you want

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Or you need to set up a dns config in your router

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Is it http or https

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 4:46 AM

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https to 80 would be bad juju 😛

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 4:46 AM

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i can access somedomain.com:888 from a remote network just fine, but doing it internally it never seems to hit the router.. but the traceroute shows it's resolving the right IP

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mm no you should never have to set a dns entry for a remotely propagated dns

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 4:47 AM

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nat reflection issues?

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 4:47 AM

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Do you have loopback on

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Otherwise your internal clients will just see your wan as that address

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And get dropped there

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 4:48 AM

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mmmm not sure where that's enabled... haven't seen anything related to loopback, and i'm not trying to access localhost

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pc = a host, pc b = client1, phone = client 2 (on data plan)... client2 accesses external ip which gets port forwarded just fine, client1 times out unless using an internal IP

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i feel like the modem/router crap has a bug in the firmware

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 5:02 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation#NAT_hairpinning

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that is what you want

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 5:06 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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looks to be enabled in the router

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now, i'm doing an IP passthrough from the modem/router to MY router... i'm thinking that has something to do with it

thick dragon Dec 17, 2019, 5:29 AM

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Random somewhat HA-related question: Have my HA host and my NAS (Synology) on a UPS. UPS has the one USB for shutdown command. How would I get either the NAS or Home Assistant to send a shut down command to the other device before shutting down?

trail crag Dec 17, 2019, 5:30 AM

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steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 5:31 AM

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shit https://www.reddit.com/r/TomatoFTW/comments/e2seg8/nat_loopback_not_working_on_my_r6400/

NAT loopback not working on my r6400

I have a Netgear r6400 with AdvancedTomato 3.5-140 I have NAT loopback set to all, yet I cannot access my external address from inside the...

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that was it

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100%.... damnit

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that really bums me out 😦

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 6:04 AM

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Gigabit speeds are not something I have to worry about

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But you might want to build a pfsense box

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 9:07 AM

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ermergerd, the baby slept till 0710 this morning

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I slept too long, I'm broken

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🤣

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@steel urchin netgear 🤢

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 9:18 AM

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At least it's 🍅

mighty summit Dec 17, 2019, 9:21 AM

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i'm searching for an esp-based multisensor (temp-lux-motion) on battery without having to diy it, anyone ?

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 9:35 AM

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I'd go zigbee tbh @mighty summit

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Esp and battery don't mix

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 9:35 AM

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sure it does, with deep sleep and polling every two hours, you'll probably get a few months battery life 🤣

mighty summit Dec 17, 2019, 9:37 AM

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i do not want to add zigbee into my setup.

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agreed that the motion detection will srsly mess with battery life. But esp with deepsleep will last a very long time.

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 9:44 AM

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Eh good luck

mighty summit Dec 17, 2019, 9:47 AM

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ehh thk you 😉

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 9:50 AM

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zigbee 4 lyfe 🤣

mighty summit Dec 17, 2019, 9:51 AM

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i got these in use : https://www.tindie.com/products/nicethings/hugo-esp8266-4-button-wifi-remote/
So far battery life is really great.
Which is why i'd like to find smt similar but for environmental sensoring.

Tindie

Hugo - ESP8266 4-button WiFi remote by NiceThings on Tindie

Arduino compatible 4-button wifi remote control, battery powered, support MQTT

dim apex Dec 17, 2019, 10:36 AM

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hello

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i bought a eWeLink Mini PCI-e Desktop PC Remote Control from Ali

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is there any way to flash it ?

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🤓

mighty summit Dec 17, 2019, 11:02 AM

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possibly, sure looks as though there is a serial header on the board. You could hook that up & see what the serial console spits out at boot.

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 11:36 AM

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jewsus christ, calling the norwegian post service, and the guy who has recorded the phone messages sounds like he is 80 years old and never seen a smartphone before

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and he says "chattttt" with five t's and and "goggle play"

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I just want to talk to someone that I can yell the heck out of since my package has been for import since 27th of November

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 12:02 PM

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That's what dirty socialism gets you

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Should have joined a capitalist country

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Then your postal service would be privatised, the old 80 year old would of died at 60 from not being able to afford heart medication, and the call centre would be offshored to the Phillipines

ocean mirage Dec 17, 2019, 12:09 PM

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I am gonna have an aneurism thanks telco

normal ferry Dec 17, 2019, 12:09 PM

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Hey guys quick question - any suggestions for good reliable mesh wi-fi configuration, especially when it comes to a) multiple smart devices , b) streaming 4K content and c) having a lot of 2.4 Ghz signals around your flat ?

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Ideally suggestions by someone who has one already and has similar use cases to mine

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 12:11 PM

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I use a triplet of linksys mesh devices

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haven't had a single hickup since I installed them

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replaced 3x MSM466

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linksys also supports bridging and meshing at the same time

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none of the other vendors do afaik

normal ferry Dec 17, 2019, 12:12 PM

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sounds cool , can I have your model so I can look it up ?

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is it the velop ?

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 12:13 PM

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yeah, velop somethingsomething

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let me check

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I bought the lower end one

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I tried the Huawei ones first

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they were much faster

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but no bridge mode

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VLP01v1

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I have them all connected to ethernet too so the mesh only helps on clients that support it

normal ferry Dec 17, 2019, 12:15 PM

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~~alright thanks! if I may ask - the huawei(s) did not support bridge mode , that means that I cannot bridge them to another router? but they do connect to a modem right?~~

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stupid question let me rephrase

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here (in Greece) the ISP usually gives you a modem/router/WiFi AP device (if they could also make it blend fruits into smoothies they would)

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which usually sucks

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so most of us who know a thing or two

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bridge it to an actually useful router

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 12:18 PM

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I run a 192.168.1.0/24 network here, when I connected the Huawei all wireless clients were connected to a 192.168.3.0/24 network, that meant those clients were kinda isolated and not reachable from my 192.168.1.0/24 network even though they could reach that same network

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and it was not possible to disable the routing function of it at all, I even contacted huawei asking for a custom firmware, no answer

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google wifi supports bridge, but then no mesh

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so I bought the linksys ones, and have been happy so far

normal ferry Dec 17, 2019, 12:20 PM

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Mhm! Yeah they seem reliable , I am half way convinced already. All I need to do is study a bit on Google and then see if I can find a retailer here in Greece - otherwise Amazon here I come

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 12:20 PM

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the bigger versions are probably a lot faster

normal ferry Dec 17, 2019, 12:21 PM

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Yeah I have my eye set on the tri-band ones

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but proly I need less nodes ... a 2-pack would be fine

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 12:21 PM

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but I have no issues here, I have 50+ zigbee devices on 2.4Ghz, I have 3-4 legacy 2.4Ghz devices, the rest are 5Ghz, and I stream to Roku \ Apple TV and phones with no issues

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yeah, I have a terrible house, like... 28 meters long, so I run one at each end and one in the middle

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one on each floor

normal ferry Dec 17, 2019, 12:25 PM

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I have an flat apartment - not good with dimensions but I'd say 60-65 square meters and it has brick walls and the worse "L-shaped" corridor layout I've ever seen

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There is just no good place to have an access point or a single wifi router

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(actually my gf's property - so no rent - no complaints about that! 😛 )

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Mr wled

📎 JPEG_20191217_143337.jpg

clear mirage Dec 17, 2019, 1:37 PM

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Classy suspenders

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Sexy time

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:01 PM

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This marked the moment

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The downfall of mankind

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Get in my belly @hushed basalt

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:05 PM

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I didn't have any corn

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:07 PM

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left a little rosebud in there for ya

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 2:09 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/orson-welles-citizen-kane-rosebud-OrZdYY8jNean6

Giphy

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:10 PM

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@scenic radish is soylent green too

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:17 PM

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always wondered why soylent thought it would be a good idea to name their product that...

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also 10.0.0.0/24 master race

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:24 PM

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🤢

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:25 PM

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looks prettier

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:26 PM

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192.168.norwAt.0/24

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:26 PM

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lol Norwat

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Class A is so barbaric

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:26 PM

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i'm just gonna make my own class

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:26 PM

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X-Domain. First class.

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:26 PM

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You are definitely in a class of your own ThonkEyes

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OKTrump

fallow galleon Dec 17, 2019, 2:27 PM

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only issue is some devices love to apply mask 8 when they see 10.

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:27 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/trump-really-amazed-funny-face-gif-13712696

Tenor

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:28 PM

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That looks like tink when someone says they know security

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Or Unix

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:28 PM

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"i'm using http but over port 65500 so it's ok"

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:29 PM

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Brb hack your IP through a visual basic interface

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:29 PM

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"I have https on so it's all good"

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:29 PM

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Telnet for lyfe

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:29 PM

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i also find it funny when people suppress their LAN IPs when posting stuff here lol

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:30 PM

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To be fair it is a small piece of the puzzle

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Shit, better not show that my Xiaomi is running on 192.168.1.48

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:30 PM

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i suppose, yeah. but still non-routable

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:30 PM

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I think if someone was on your network most people here would already be owned

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:30 PM

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oh fuck

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:30 PM

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But I still try to work off the zero trust principal

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:30 PM

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📎 JPEG_20191217_153048.jpg

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More tradfri

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:30 PM

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the promised land

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:30 PM

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And assume lan is not safe

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Quick nuke Ikea Norwat

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:31 PM

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eh, i live on the edge. SSL via reverse proxy and unencrypted on LAN

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:31 PM

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Ankor Norwat

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My temple place

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Yes hello security, I'd like to report a deranged person entering your store

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Yes, FBI, this guy right here

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:32 PM

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You can recognize him as the guy drooling in the tradfri section

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:32 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/crazy-gif-9170373

Tenor

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he keeps softly chanting "RGB" over and over again

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:33 PM

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RGBCCT master race

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:33 PM

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forsenWaifu

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:34 PM

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🟥 🟩 🟦 🕯️ ☀️

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:34 PM

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😂

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:34 PM

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so i'm sick and accidentally took two meds that both have acetaminophen in them last night which is apparently a no-no. haven't died yet though, so there's that

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:34 PM

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If you take more it cancels it out

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Guaranteed.

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:34 PM

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ah damn, good call

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:35 PM

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this is not a guarantee

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:35 PM

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Lol I had to Google it

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Paracetamol damn it

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Who cares 😂

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:35 PM

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Nah paracetamol OD is not a fun way to die

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:35 PM

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yeah who really needs a liver anyway

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:35 PM

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Except your liver

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:36 PM

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They basically can't do anything except watch

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:36 PM

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I eat like five painkillers per year, so I wouldn't mind if I are double my dose one day ThonkEyes

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Ah yes

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If I have all my yearly drinking in one night it's okay :D

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Same average right

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Yeah, if you eat 250mg or 500mg paracetamol won't be the same 😛

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Two tabs is 1000mg

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So a double dose is 2000 mg

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Depends on the tabs

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:38 PM

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500mg is normal. This is the way.

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:38 PM

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We have 250/500/1000 and the 1000 is only from prescription

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:38 PM

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We have 24 packs of 500mg

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And everyone takes two at once

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:38 PM

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so i guess it doesn't really matter as long as you don't go over 4000mg/24 hr

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it's just easier to OD if you take multiple meds

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:39 PM

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I'm sure your liver hates you but I'm sure you're fine

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I'm pretty sure 4000mg at once is a killer though

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:39 PM

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it was less than 1000 mg

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:39 PM

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Or pretty.serious

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:39 PM

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yeah not a good idea lol

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:39 PM

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I've stopped taking 1000mg at once

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:39 PM

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I took Paralgin major and an ibuprofen once, fell asleep, was nice

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:39 PM

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My literally feel my liver

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I'm pretty sure I took too much paracetamol over a week when I was sick once..like for too long

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And my liver was like, stop that, buddy

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And I feel like i stay drunker for longer now too

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At least we can still get pseudoephedrine

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:41 PM

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bonus!

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:41 PM

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None of that phenylalanine garbage

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:42 PM

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📎 JPEG_20191217_154153.jpg

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Yes officer, this post right here

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:42 PM

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togaDROOL

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:43 PM

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how do the tradfri compare to hue anyway?

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i would certainly hope hue are better

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Good enough for me

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The hue are a bit dimmer

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So use those in the bedroom

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:44 PM

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i started with just regular white, got a few tunable white, and then got RGB when i found deals. best deal i found was the 4 bulb color starter kit (includes bridge) for $80 new

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:45 PM

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Most of mine are CT bulbs

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I have a few RGB

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Kids room etc

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:45 PM

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when i got the tunable white is when i noticed the regular white don't fade out smoothly at the very end. they go from like 10% brightness to 0 with no fade

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so that basically ruined the regular white for me lol

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:46 PM

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😂

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:47 PM

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either way i like 3000K for general lighting more than 2700K anyway

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2700K is too yellow, 3000K is less yellow but nowhere close to cold white

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:47 PM

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Hue is like $80 each here

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:47 PM

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wut

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full retail for one hue color is $50 here (A19 shape)

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you'd be insane to pay that though

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:48 PM

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These GU10 CT ones are $9 each

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:48 PM

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also i called some business the other day and was hit with the cisco callmanager music lol

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:50 PM

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https://www.apple.com/au/shop/product/HJCC2PA/C/philips-hue-ambiance-white-and-colour-extension-bulb-a19-e27

Apple (AU)

Philips Hue Ambiance White and Colour Extension Bulb

Create personalised light settings in your home with the Philips Hue Ambiance White and Colour Extension Bulb. Buy online now at apple.com.

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$89 from Apple

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$70 on the street

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:50 PM

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oh from 'straya, are ya?

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Have you gotten around to NFC payment in the us yet @scenic radish ? Last time I was there the store people were still getting used to chip, three years after we introduced it

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:50 PM

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street price

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yeah i've been using NFC payment for years, ever since Google Wallet was a thing actually

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Americans are weird

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You still pay people in cheques

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:51 PM

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when google wallet existed pretty much only walgreens took NFC payments, and the cashiers looked at me like i was from the future

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:51 PM

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We didn't get Google pay until this year, but we have NFC bank cards for... Three years maybe

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:52 PM

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also, google pay used to be google wallet

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:52 PM

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https://media.tenor.com/images/e08475c7bfbb0df6576041ae025228f1/tenor.gif

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Wow you're all behind

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We've had nfc payments for like 8 years

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:52 PM

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ThinkEyes

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:52 PM

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i've been using NFC since like 2012

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 2:53 PM

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It means that Visa and mastercard are making bulk money though

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So it's nothing to brag about

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Everything just becomes 1% more expensive

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People have credit card rings here

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They look like tools though

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:55 PM

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lol wtf

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:56 PM

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I wanted one

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:57 PM

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i wanted a moto razr and never got one 😔

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i was so jealous of my friends who had one lol

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Wtf was that strange phone the us kids had in the 00s

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Sidekick or something

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:58 PM

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📎 Motorola_RAZR_V3i_01.jfif

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uhh hang on

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wtf is a JFIF? lmao

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Sounds perverted

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Some furry file

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 2:59 PM

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📎 Motorola_RAZR_V3i_01.jpg

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there we go. just changed the file extension lol

jagged mantle Dec 17, 2019, 3:02 PM

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Just a little interested, but you guys/girls that are active her often. How young was the youngest guy/girl you've seen working with home automation at home in this community?

low harness Dec 17, 2019, 3:03 PM

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17 that I know of. IIRC

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 3:03 PM

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17?! automating their parents' house?

jagged mantle Dec 17, 2019, 3:04 PM

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well im 15 xD

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and I'm automating our house but my mom isn't that happy about it 😂

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 3:05 PM

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that... is hilarious lol

low harness Dec 17, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Then I did not RC.

jagged mantle Dec 17, 2019, 3:06 PM

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dad bought an Tellstick net some years ago and i absolutely hated the GUI and wanted something else and that was when i found home assistant

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and now im trying to talk them into moving onto zigbee

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well my first message on this server was 2 months before i turned 14 so, 13 would be the youngest xD

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 3:12 PM

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I didn't automate my house, but I hosted servers in our basement when I was 13 😂

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Back in ye old 1997

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Or early 98

jagged mantle Dec 17, 2019, 3:13 PM

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i host minecraft and ark servers every now and then when they are needed

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 3:46 PM

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same, love both those games

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i remember being a kid on dialup, after 7 days of pirating visual basic 3 my mom picked up the wrong phone and ruined my life

low harness Dec 17, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Look at mister dual landlines over here.

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 3:47 PM

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lol well, it was a mistake by the telephone company that we never corrected

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i stole most of my computer parts from compaq 🤣 every time i went to visit my uncle i'd take another part

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 3:50 PM

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We had dialup from 93, ISDN from 95 and cable modem from early 98

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Then we got fttp in 2003 or 4

jagged mantle Dec 17, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Never used dial up xD

low harness Dec 17, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Don't be sad.

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 3:51 PM

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heh you're not missing out

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Dialup was mostly dead by 98 in Norway

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 3:51 PM

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except the anticipation of that interlaced jpg pr0n!

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 3:51 PM

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😂

light trout Dec 17, 2019, 3:51 PM

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We had dialup untill 03 @clear ferry

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Never knew if it was male or female until the very end @steel urchin

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 3:52 PM

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lol

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 3:52 PM

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@light trout WTFrick

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 3:52 PM

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yeah the US has shit telecom and networking

low harness Dec 17, 2019, 3:52 PM

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I think we got ADSL in -04 or -05.

light trout Dec 17, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Lived 40min west of Lillehammer, things took long to get there

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 3:52 PM

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lillehammer!

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i loved that show 😛

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 3:53 PM

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We had DSL from 2000 now that I think of it

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 3:53 PM

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great to see a lot of those people in Norsemen on netflix... also a funny as hell show

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i hate that domain names are so expensive these days

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i remember buying dot com domains for like 80 cents

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just bought 1 year domain for $30 :S

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not to mention the one i REALLY wanted was going for $500k 🙄

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and has been parked for 13 years

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 4:03 PM

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I bought my domain in 2000 I think, didn't start paying for it till 2015 😂

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 4:12 PM

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yeah a few domains i wish i got the lifetime registration for back when that was a thing

eager crest Dec 17, 2019, 4:12 PM

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just got a .eu for 15€/10 years

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 4:12 PM

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i mean i can get a .sucks for a few bucks, but who wants that

eager crest Dec 17, 2019, 4:13 PM

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isn't .sucks >100$?

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and for .de i pay 16 cents per month

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 4:14 PM

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the price can vary per domain

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regardless of tld

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but still... just illustrates how stupid it all is these days

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i used to buy domains for FUN

eager crest Dec 17, 2019, 4:14 PM

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:)

📎 unknown.png

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 4:15 PM

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What was that strange free domain with ads included in the mid 00s ThonkEyes

eager crest Dec 17, 2019, 4:15 PM

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idk

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but dot.tk/dot.ml etc. are still free

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Dot.tk yes

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 4:15 PM

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heh i still use a few of those for some junk community sites

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 4:16 PM

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I have used dyndns since 98 I think, great product and super free domains

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I have atleast 10 homelinux domains

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 4:17 PM

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for this lil project i want it to at least have the appearance of professionalism 🤣

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keyword "appearance"

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 4:18 PM

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Go .xxx then

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tom

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 4:18 PM

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lol

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 4:19 PM

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Give any one species too much rope and they'll f*** it up

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🎵

low harness Dec 17, 2019, 4:25 PM

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I forgot about .tk. I had one of those. Never heard of Tokelau either before or after...

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 4:28 PM

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Sounds like a specialty dish from Malmö @low harness

low harness Dec 17, 2019, 4:28 PM

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It... ... ... it really does!

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 4:29 PM

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My Swedish is impeccable

low harness Dec 17, 2019, 4:29 PM

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Served with Kartoffel in a Rollebör.

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 4:30 PM

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I ate Wallenberger when I was in Borås now

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Loved it

low harness Dec 17, 2019, 4:31 PM

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That’s awesome. With butter, I hope?

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 4:32 PM

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There was no butter, only the patty and mash formed like a potato, and lingon of course

low harness Dec 17, 2019, 4:33 PM

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You have to go back and do it right. It should be drenched in melted butter.

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I’m getting hungry...

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 4:33 PM

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Agreed, making homemade kögarpytt when getting home 😂

steel urchin Dec 17, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Damn I don't even know what you're talking about but drenched in butter sounds good

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 4:34 PM

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We do a lot of butter in Scandinavia

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None of that margarine bullshit or can't believe it isn't butter

low harness Dec 17, 2019, 4:37 PM

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For those not hungry yet, a Vallenbergare is a ground veal patty made with like 30% cream and fried in breadcrumbs.

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 4:38 PM

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The boxty from Ireland is probably one of my favourite dishes

clear mirage Dec 17, 2019, 4:38 PM

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📎 ed87d56d4230d7ebe30761c6fe77d1922dfc8714729981592a0995107d91c73e_1.jpg.jpg

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 4:38 PM

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Since I saw @strange vapor typing 😂

low harness Dec 17, 2019, 4:38 PM

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Why not just replace it with the wire?

strange vapor Dec 17, 2019, 4:39 PM

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There's a tourist trap down near where I grew up called Muckross House, and they have a working old style farm. As you walk through they're going through every stage of making soda bread and butter from milking the cows and making the flour, through to cooking the bread and making the butter.

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And you get to sample all the end results.

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 4:39 PM

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🤤

strange vapor Dec 17, 2019, 4:44 PM

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@clear mirage

📎 fRwJ5oqdAUAQ-WOscH9arsjV7A_zR7cgd4qaXkxZQ5g.png

eager crest Dec 17, 2019, 4:44 PM

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error missing wd40

clear mirage Dec 17, 2019, 4:44 PM

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I've seen that one

strange vapor Dec 17, 2019, 4:44 PM

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Tis an oldie but goodie

jagged mantle Dec 17, 2019, 4:45 PM

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where can i order one like that lol

strange vapor Dec 17, 2019, 4:48 PM

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You can also create a nice overload indicator if you know what you're doing: https://i.imgur.com/w11p9Ij.jpg

Imgur

Newfangled nuts with built-in activity indicator

jagged mantle Dec 17, 2019, 4:49 PM

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so thats not how it's supposed to look? 😂

clear ferry Dec 17, 2019, 4:51 PM

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ThinkEyes

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ThinkEyes

young sigil Dec 17, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Can I get G and B nuts to go with that?

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Little late, but I got a .casa domain for $2/year lol

jagged mantle Dec 17, 2019, 5:19 PM

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why isnt nabucasas domain nabu.casa?

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 5:21 PM

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not sure, but the remote access domain names are nabu.casa

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 7:16 PM

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@light trout moving here because its unrelated to HA but it looks like GitHub has a GraphQL interface that might be useful. Their schema is really confusing though. I'm having a hard time Grocking it

light trout Dec 17, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Have no idea what that is 😛

wet pilot Dec 17, 2019, 7:17 PM

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fancy api that lets you span rest endpoints in one call

light trout Dec 17, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Too fancy for me, give me a phonebook!

strange vapor Dec 17, 2019, 7:19 PM

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@light trout Want some punchcards with the phonebook?

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 7:19 PM

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rolodex maybe?

light trout Dec 17, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Sure why not

hushed basalt Dec 17, 2019, 9:24 PM

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I bought my firstname.ninja domain the other week

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It's great having an uncommon name

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Phonebooks? Bah

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I just pick up the phone and ask the operator to patch me through

unreal orbit Dec 17, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Someone paid money to add a banner that pushes down all the channel names? That... is kinda dumb

ocean mirage Dec 17, 2019, 9:47 PM

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I couldn't reach the upper channels before

light trout Dec 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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https://i.ibb.co/YNTsG4L/image.png We can't add much more channels, I will go out of space 😦

unreal orbit Dec 17, 2019, 9:58 PM

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Just interesting that paid "features" make the user experience worse.

vast dove Dec 17, 2019, 9:58 PM

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What resolution you running @light trout ?

light trout Dec 17, 2019, 9:58 PM

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1080 on that. (it's in protrait mode)

vast dove Dec 17, 2019, 9:58 PM

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@unreal orbit Just hide all read channels and also hide channels you done use, Easy peasy

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aha

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Maybe i should switch my landscape 5120x1440 to portrait 😄

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then you can add more channels

unreal orbit Dec 17, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Maybe we should add a #channel-suggestion-channel channel where people can suggest more channels that we can add

light trout Dec 17, 2019, 10:01 PM

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I tried, not much response on that

vast dove Dec 17, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Maybe add one of those for each category??

unreal orbit Dec 17, 2019, 10:02 PM

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and a category suggestion category/channel

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 10:02 PM

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i still vote we merge everything into a single channel

unreal orbit Dec 17, 2019, 10:02 PM

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people would still post in the wrong channel

vast dove Dec 17, 2019, 10:02 PM

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#frontend and #backend all you need

light trout Dec 17, 2019, 10:02 PM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/397426163649216512/641228257869561866

vast dove Dec 17, 2019, 10:04 PM

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wow thats a wall of text

unreal orbit Dec 17, 2019, 10:05 PM

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could also go the way of blocking people from posting until they pass a code of conduct test

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 10:06 PM

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also that was obviously a joke about one channel lol

ocean mirage Dec 17, 2019, 10:07 PM

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just do what I do and have every channel except this one muted ;)

unreal orbit Dec 17, 2019, 10:07 PM

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@scenic radish jokes are not explicitly permitted on this server. Please refrain from attempts at humor in the future.

scenic radish Dec 17, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Command '.jokes' was invoked by: Villhellm

clear mirage Dec 17, 2019, 10:48 PM

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My local pub has a New England IPA on draft from Denmark

📎 JPEG_20191217_174656.jpg

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 12:10 AM

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alright, this is pretty funny (from the python docs):

>>> import sys
>>> sys.ps1
'>>> '
>>> sys.ps2
'... '
>>> sys.ps1 = 'C> '
C> print('Yuck!')
Yuck!
C>

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 12:17 AM

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📎 JPEG_20191218_081754.jpg

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Look what I found

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 12:19 AM

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wut dat

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 12:29 AM

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It's an old lego robot thing

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Back from when I was like 12

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It just had a single inbuilt stepper motor

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 1:16 AM

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Basically you build a little car around it

brisk furnace Dec 18, 2019, 1:36 AM

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is there anyone that's familiar with partition structure in linux?

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I had a drive setup as /dev/sda1,2,3

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then I deleted 1,2 and tried to resize 3

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 1:36 AM

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O_O

brisk furnace Dec 18, 2019, 1:36 AM

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didn't work, now I'm stuck with partition 3 at the end of the drive

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and no partitions in front of it

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is there a way to fix that

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lol..

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 1:37 AM

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you'll find if you reboot your system is hosed

brisk furnace Dec 18, 2019, 1:37 AM

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well so the good news is I use 2 drives

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one that I boot off of, one that I store db/etc on

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I didn't mess with the boot drive

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just the second one, I wanted to make one big partition instead of 3 smaller ones

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so it boots fine and sees the partition 3 but I can't resize it to take up the whole drive

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 1:38 AM

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what filesystem type are you using?

brisk furnace Dec 18, 2019, 1:38 AM

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ext4

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 1:38 AM

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no lvm?

brisk furnace Dec 18, 2019, 1:39 AM

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nope

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 1:42 AM

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you'll need to use something like parted to grow the partition and then resize2fs to grow the filesystem

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it will always be /dev/sdX3 though

brisk furnace Dec 18, 2019, 1:42 AM

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i booted off of fedora live workstation

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would command line have gparted or parted?

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 1:42 AM

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it might. you can install it though

brisk furnace Dec 18, 2019, 1:42 AM

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i'm ok with always sda3, I was just really worried I butchered the entire drive

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ou okay it has parted

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thank you @wet pilot going to google what commands to use to expand the partition

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stuff like this makes me super nervous - not sure why I put myself through this

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 2:38 AM

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This is why I avoid linux :D

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 2:40 AM

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linux gives you a saw'd off shotgun, its up to you to not shoot yourself in your face

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 2:46 AM

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I'm rather enjoying Linux.

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 2:55 AM

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@brisk furnace you should be able to resize and reposition easily with gparted

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if you don't have a gui, there are ways, just need to research how to reposition the partition and then extend it, but def possible to do with ext4

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 2:57 AM

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parted and resize2fs

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 2:57 AM

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teach a man to fish

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 2:57 AM

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i gave the commands, not the flags 😛

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narrow down the google searches some

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 2:58 AM

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😄 we got you lil buddy!

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(for now, just rtfm some)

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 2:58 AM

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heh

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now if it was LVM i would dive in further because that is confusing to most

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 2:59 AM

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From my professional experience, something being difficult and complicated doesn't necessarily make it good

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 2:59 AM

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yeah lvm is a bit advanced for a hobbyist

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 2:59 AM

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linux really isn't that difficult

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 2:59 AM

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heh... i'd hope not, because i've spent a career making difficult and compilcated things easier 😛

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linux TODAY isn't that difficult

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 3:00 AM

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true

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 3:00 AM

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but there's a lot of underlying technology that is black box to probably most current users

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 3:00 AM

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and its a lot more stable than windows server these days

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 3:00 AM

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like how kernels work, module loading, filesystems, etc

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i do have to give props to hyper-v though, that shit is FAST

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 3:01 AM

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yep, just watch your windows updates

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 3:01 AM

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I'd much rather spend my time and energy in higher areas

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 3:01 AM

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paying to be QA for M$

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 3:01 AM

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for most people that's perfectly fine @hushed basalt

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actually, better than most

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with cheap cloud storage solutions and all the DRM distribution systems (spotify, itunes, mobile stores, etc) recovery should be easy

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i just made this and now no longer have google sync on every system, just samba mounted everywhere:

https://hub.docker.com/r/nerdfoundry/rclonesync

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 3:03 AM

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nice

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 3:04 AM

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I run rclone too

brisk furnace Dec 18, 2019, 3:04 AM

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@steel urchin I googled around a bit but took a break! Partition 3 starts at block 16gb was having issues moving the starting block for partition 3 (was only able to change the end)

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 3:05 AM

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yeah ijust didn't like the 1-way sync, and prefer docker containers so i found some tools and slapped them together

brisk furnace Dec 18, 2019, 3:05 AM

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Managed to have it fill the entire remainder of the drive but just missing that 16GB gap at the front - looks like I need to move it but that may alter uuid

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 3:05 AM

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@brisk furnace peep what @wet pilot posted earlier and see if that leads you in the right way

brisk furnace Dec 18, 2019, 3:07 AM

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I'll take a look! Thank you both. I'm sure a bitore googling will get me over the line

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Bit more*

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 3:07 AM

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nice container @steel urchin i might take a look

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 3:12 AM

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aye nice... if you're familiar with rclone and rclonesync it's really straightforward!

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so.. i have to say my favorite purchase of 2019 has to be my robovac.... the QOL it provides is just unrivaled

thick dragon Dec 18, 2019, 4:13 AM

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Yeah, for sure @steel urchin . This your first one?

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:13 AM

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hehe no not by far

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i've contributed heavily to docker and rancheros

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under a different moniker

thick dragon Dec 18, 2019, 4:14 AM

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A workmate convinced me to get one almost a decade ago now with a very simple argument. I was like "Why would you spend that much on a vacuum cleaner!" His simple, and utterly effective response was, "Don't think of it as spending that much on a vacuum cleaner, think of it as spending that much on never having to vacuum again".

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I went out and bought one less than a week later 😛

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:15 AM

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100%

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oh, lol now i get the context

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yes, my first robovac

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and i stand by your friend's statement

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came home from a christmas trip for business, and the house was vacuumed and mopped the wood floors, nice vacuum lines in the carpets, and it felt so amazing

thick dragon Dec 18, 2019, 4:16 AM

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I don't even have my new Roborock in Home Assisstant yet and I'm loving it over my 8-9 year old Roomba.

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:16 AM

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yeah i got the s50, awesome hardware

thick dragon Dec 18, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Haha, the first time I came home after the vacuum had run I was so scared. I swore that I'd been visited by aliens because of all the "carpet circles".

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:17 AM

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haha "who broke into my house and cleaned it?!?!"

thick dragon Dec 18, 2019, 4:18 AM

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I just need to work out zone restrictions for the mopping function on the S50 now. My tiled area goes straight into my carpeted area, so don't want any accidents 😛

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:18 AM

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yeahhhhh i waited a few days after "mopping" multiple days (since i was remote), and THEN cleared the zones and vacuumed

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that way i was out of water and didn't have to worry

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but, you can put down magnetic strips to act as walls

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i'm thinking of getting a roll of magnetic ribbon

thick dragon Dec 18, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Yeah, that'd probably work. I've already got a linoleum/plastic end cap for the carpet that a magnetic strip could go on top of easily.

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:20 AM

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i don't plan on permanently affixing it

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just roll it out when i need that accuracy

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because let's get real, drawing no-go or area boxes on that app is not 100%

thick dragon Dec 18, 2019, 4:20 AM

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I guess mopping is a more manual exercise anyway with needing to change the tank, so could easily roll that out when I need to mop.

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:23 AM

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yeah, it was the first and only time we've done it... i need to do more testing, but i'm excited to have something at least rub wet material across the floor once in a while

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ok so i think the new house will have all the fixes done by thursday mid-day, and then i can finally dig into home assistant!

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well.. no i lied.

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i can start digging into drywall 🤣

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:26 AM

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📎 unknown.png

thick dragon Dec 18, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Ah, new home life? I just bought my first home too. Had my dad over 2 weekends ago to help me do some drywall digging and mount my TV 😛

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:27 AM

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nice! congrats man!

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this is my 6th house though... a bit of trial and error already gone through 😛

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:27 AM

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my Secret Santa recipient will be receiving a ESP8266 / Sonoff "bridge", configured to be a Wifi AP, async web server, and MQTT broker, instructions for how it works, and a link to a Github repo. 🙂

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:28 AM

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badass @brave panther!

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:28 AM

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"Under $20" they said. AliExpress they did not take into account. 🙂

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:28 AM

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dude, i'm jealous!

thick dragon Dec 18, 2019, 4:28 AM

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Haha, I hope you work somewhere where all that will make sense @brave panther 😛

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:28 AM

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They said they were into "Home automation, DIY, and tinkering"... I actually got excited to be their Santa. 🙂

thick dragon Dec 18, 2019, 4:29 AM

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Very cool!

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:29 AM

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oh that's awesome

thick dragon Dec 18, 2019, 4:29 AM

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I bought a Pop! Vinyl for my Secret Santa. Super original!

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:29 AM

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😄

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 4:30 AM

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I got someone a google home mini

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$40 on clearance

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:31 AM

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i'm on sabbatical and don't have a secret santa 😦

thick dragon Dec 18, 2019, 4:35 AM

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@brave panther Just noticed a labelling issue in your Sonoff config. IP <-> MAC.

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:35 AM

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Thanks 🙂

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:37 AM

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someone hire @thick dragon for QA

thick dragon Dec 18, 2019, 4:38 AM

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Funnily enough I used to do QA for game development. So that'll be a "no" on that for me. Happy managing my team of analysts 😛

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:40 AM

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Gonna finish up a couple things then shove this to Github if anyone is interested in the code.

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:40 AM

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hahaha yeah i really feel bad for QA folk... usually my highest turnover

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@brave panther absolutely

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:41 AM

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Could probably add more and more features like configurable from the web interface but meh, it's just a thing to get them interested. 😉

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:41 AM

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i don't plan on doing much diy automation outside of node-red scripts

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but i love seeing projects

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:41 AM

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To be fair, Tasmota makes life VERY easy.

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I'd rather not just flash it with Tasmota, that's the lazy way out haha

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:42 AM

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😛 sounds like the gift was for YOU!

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:42 AM

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at least this way, they can start thinking about other things to do (Access point, web server, MQTT broker, etc) with their ESP8266

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Heck. BEING their Santa was my gift.

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I enjoy making things work. Ever since the cliche of being a kid and "taking things apart to figure out how they worked"

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:45 AM

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ok so a random video just popped up on the youtubes on tv... dude walking through his "smart" kitchen... a camera inside the fridge is dumb af to me, and who the hell wants to start their oven from their phone?

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Smart toaster? Literal toast notification.

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:46 AM

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yeah actually he just showed that too.... so dumb

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Old school: "File's done!"
New school: "Toast's done!"

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:47 AM

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heh i'll go for the filet

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:47 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28q5XVELywI#t=19s

YouTube

kendowater

AOL 9.0 Sounds

These are all the AOL 9.0 sounds you may hear!

▶ Play video

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:49 AM

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oh FILE's done

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i read that as filet's done

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:50 AM

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Violet's dumb

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:50 AM

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i may or may not be jonesing for these omaha steaks we just got in

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Funny thing is, meat man stopped going door to door and instead sells it on website, makes tons of money.

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 4:51 AM

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I'd like to be able to start my dishwasher from HA

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Especially if I had solar

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Oven not so much

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:51 AM

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"Alexa, tell my wife to wash the dishes."
"Okay."

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:51 AM

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i don't get it, but maybe i'm old now

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:51 AM

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dish washer

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:52 AM

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no i mean starting the dishwasher from HA

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:52 AM

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Hmm. Maybe it's a nightly thing? Like every night, at 8:00, the dishes are all used and need to be washed. So it's something that could just happen. Idk.

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 4:53 AM

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I always use delay start on my dishwasher

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 4:53 AM

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I stopped wondering why and now just think of how because people always have a reason.

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:53 AM

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oh i agree with that sentiment

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i mean i fyou want your toilet to be connected to your wifi, then fine

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 4:53 AM

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But if I had it on HA i could set it to run when it's been X hours since last run and everyone has left the house

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:54 AM

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"alexa, squirt water into my butthole"

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i mean do it

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 4:54 AM

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But more importantly if I had solar, I could set it to run when there is surplus power

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:54 AM

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i'm the kind to do dishes all at once

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 4:54 AM

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So besides the 11 litres of water and a dishwasher tablet, it's effectively free to run

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I want two dishwashers two. Or atleast a dual drawer

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Small batches more often

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 4:55 AM

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lol damn dude

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sounds like you have a story to tell

brave panther Dec 18, 2019, 5:00 AM

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Oh wow. IoT bidet.

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bidet_of_things.bathroom_toilet: SQUIRTING

slim laurel Dec 18, 2019, 5:02 AM

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Hi guys its been a while

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how is everyone doing?

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Love how much HA has changed

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I hadnt touched my config in like a year

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 5:06 AM

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@steel urchin lean is lyfe

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Small batches make huge improvements in pretty much everything

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Say software for example. People have moved away from waterfall development to continuous integration and deployment. One commit at a time.

ocean mirage Dec 18, 2019, 5:11 AM

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tell that to my work

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 5:12 AM

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and lots of people say they use agile but its just waterfall in disguise 😄

ocean mirage Dec 18, 2019, 5:13 AM

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agile is just a buzzword for managers

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none of them know what it means

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 5:14 AM

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pretty much

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and adds a lot of extra meetings

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 5:21 AM

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Yeah most people suck at lean, theory of constraints, TPS etc

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If it's not done holistically with support from the very top it's usually just massaging vanity metrics.

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https://medium.com/praxis-blog/theory-of-constraints-101-table-of-contents-8bbb6627915b

Medium

Theory of Constraints 101: Table of Contents

A series of 5-minute posts on applying principles of flow to knowledge work

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I'd recommend this to all you devs out there

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Plus "The Phoenix Project" and "The Goal"

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If people just start throwing "agile" at everything they're usually missing the point. Make everything more agile! Sprint sprint sprint!

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One piece flow, kanban etc are tools to achieve a goal. Not goals themselves.

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 5:38 AM

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i've worked at the shoddy agile places, and ran the fun agile places 😉 lots do it wrong, but when you find a place that works as a solid team it's pretty amazing

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like, 20-releases-a-day amazing

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 5:59 AM

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I do 20 releases a day in HA sometimes :D

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God bless cicd

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I look forward to the day HA has automatic config reloading without restart though

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 6:46 AM

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yeah i was noticing that in the docs, thought that was strange

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 7:18 AM

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FeelsSleepyMan

rancid root Dec 18, 2019, 7:26 AM

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6 hour long power outage for the first time since I moved, generator's fuel should die at any moment. RIP me

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 7:32 AM

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We had 2 days power outage one winter

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Thankfully it was only -15c outside

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https://open.spotify.com/track/5KpYYRnknZ4rKOk6NYLEjZ?si=gYxFkqrcSsC_eh2WButCdg

Spotify

By The Grace Of God

By The Grace Of God, a song by The Hellacopters on Spotify

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 10:00 AM

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When the power dies burn atxbyea for warmth

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The alcohol content should be high enough

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I remember back in the overlap of peak irc and adsl, people used to host their own "radio"

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Where they'd stream their winamp to a proxy server and everyone would play that stream

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 10:12 AM

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The fat content should keep it burning for a long time

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 11:00 AM

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mmm, tmux is so handy, why have I been switching between ssh sessions all these years 🤣

low harness Dec 18, 2019, 11:55 AM

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Wow. You've been missing out.

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Tmux is the backbone of my workflow for everything.

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 12:07 PM

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yeah, I know

low harness Dec 18, 2019, 12:11 PM

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Just don't forget to switch from ctrl+b to something... not stupid.

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 12:17 PM

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I like control+b actually

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because I use it on Itanium-systems

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so it is in my fingers anyway

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 12:52 PM

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Wuhu, Christmas bonus secured

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 1:10 PM

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now that I finally learn tmux, the downside is that most sites I work are either off the internet or dark sites overall, so getting tmux installed will usually be a challenge 🤣

low harness Dec 18, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Yeah... screen is more well spread, but inferior.

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 2:13 PM

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i also received my christmas bonus yesterday

last dirge Dec 18, 2019, 2:15 PM

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jelly of the month club subscription?

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it's the gift that gives all year

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 2:15 PM

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@clear ferry can you just tmux on your local shell

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 2:15 PM

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I see no reason why not

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 2:15 PM

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Then ssh etc inside each window

last dirge Dec 18, 2019, 2:16 PM

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does it work with the windows Linux subsystem?

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Should do

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 2:16 PM

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WSL, haven't heard that name in a long time

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 2:17 PM

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I have wsl2 on my laptop but haven't had time to try it yet

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Been too busy learning the java scripts.

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 2:17 PM

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I just ssh from powershell to a linux box

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problem solved

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 2:18 PM

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Wsl1 was just close enough to real Linux to shoot yourself in the foot

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In theory wsl2 should be a lot better

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in theory the dinosaurs should have stayed in their cages in Jurassic Park

low harness Dec 18, 2019, 2:27 PM

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There's a pyton tmux clone floating around somewhere. That should be fairly portable.

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Getting stuff into dark sites... is..... somewhat cumbersome, if possible

low harness Dec 18, 2019, 2:29 PM

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If you run tmux locally and ssh in each window you lose the persistance, which is a major advantage of tmux/screen.

raven atlas Dec 18, 2019, 2:33 PM

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is there a channel where people share their lovelace views?

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would love to look at them and maybe get some inspiration

velvet horizonBOT Dec 18, 2019, 2:34 PM

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You can find the community forum here

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 2:35 PM

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there is also a lot on reddit

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a lot

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with giphys showing off cool stuff

clever mortar Dec 18, 2019, 2:36 PM

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The Facebook group likely has a wall of such things too

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Facebook 🤢

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🤣

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I can proudly say I have never even had a facebook account

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bcaRBdance

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 2:38 PM

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@copper sequoia ☝️

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you were right, conclusive evidence here

last dirge Dec 18, 2019, 2:39 PM

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looks like tmux works in the windows subsystem

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now I just have to figure out how to use it 🙂

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 2:40 PM

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WSL 🤢

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no evidence at all, lies all lies @scenic radish

hushed basalt Dec 18, 2019, 2:44 PM

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This is the guy here officer

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He doesn't even have a facebook. Definitely a crack pot

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 2:48 PM

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He... might be sane!

last dirge Dec 18, 2019, 2:53 PM

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in tmux can you suspend/detach a terminal window where you're shelled into another host?

low harness Dec 18, 2019, 2:54 PM

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yes

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 2:54 PM

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aye

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it is super nice

last dirge Dec 18, 2019, 2:54 PM

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how?

low harness Dec 18, 2019, 2:54 PM

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ctrl+b d

last dirge Dec 18, 2019, 2:55 PM

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the hotkeys don't seem to be recognized when I'm shelled into another system

low harness Dec 18, 2019, 2:55 PM

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then $ tmux detach I think

last dirge Dec 18, 2019, 2:55 PM

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oh, have to let go of control

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ctrl + b d vs ctrl +b, d

low harness Dec 18, 2019, 2:55 PM

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Run tmux attach to resume

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 2:56 PM

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hotkeys have worked fine for me from both a powershell ssh session and putty

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or just tmux a for ease 🤣

low harness Dec 18, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Or just the up arrow after a while, when tmux attach is the only command you ever run in the first shell

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 2:57 PM

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🤣

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 2:57 PM

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😛

last dirge Dec 18, 2019, 2:59 PM

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this is a neat tool

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 3:01 PM

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Oh lawd, I have converted yet another lost child process to your process list grant him wisdom to do great things with your creation tmux

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 3:11 PM

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I've yet to fully go away from screen. Haven't had any valid use cases for me to jump over to tmux

low harness Dec 18, 2019, 3:12 PM

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Vertical. Split.

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But maybe screen does that too nowadays?

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 3:15 PM

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it does

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 3:32 PM

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Wait, so there's a vertical stack card for my terminal? Dope

low harness Dec 18, 2019, 3:33 PM

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And horizontal - which makes more sense on a modern ~~screen~~display

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 3:34 PM

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Had a customer who had a 38 inch curved desktop display

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It was awesome

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But not for me

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I prefer multiple physical screens

clever mortar Dec 18, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Multiple 38" curved 4K displays... 👍

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 3:39 PM

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mindblown

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I did set up a 9 screen broker machine poc many years ago

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That was sweet

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9 X 19" if memory serves right

boreal pewter Dec 18, 2019, 4:13 PM

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Mh can't find a good 38" curved 4K display, curious of the price

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But honestly 1k+€ would be too much 😄

spare gorge Dec 18, 2019, 4:39 PM

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Just getting started with HA. What is the best way to make the interface more pleasing? I haven’t done any of my own configuration and am letting the app do it. I have a couple lights and my devices. It it’s quite ugly.

📎 image0.jpg

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 4:39 PM

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#frontend-archived

clever mortar Dec 18, 2019, 4:40 PM

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And ... take the time to read the channel topics before posting please 😉

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 5:08 PM

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so amazon owes me about 11k right now to pay for my hourly rate

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fucking hope they crash and fail

unreal orbit Dec 18, 2019, 5:10 PM

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❓

boreal pewter Dec 18, 2019, 5:12 PM

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He worked for months for free? 🤣

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 5:12 PM

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i've about 30k of packages that aren't getting shipped out properly, lost in transit, or whatever... and they literally are doing NOTHIG about it

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that's only 60 hours for me

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so... far from months

fallow galleon Dec 18, 2019, 5:15 PM

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It's the first time I hear from a seller. so your stock is in their WH?

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I honestly don't know how it works

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 5:15 PM

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no i'm a buyer

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and i couldn't tell you where anything is, no one is helping

fallow galleon Dec 18, 2019, 5:16 PM

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😮 30k packages

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buying

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 5:16 PM

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new home, furnishing everything from scratch

boreal pewter Dec 18, 2019, 5:16 PM

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🤷

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 5:17 PM

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at least i'm not sleeping on the floor anymore

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wifey was unhappy about that lol

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Norwegian post has lost my handcrafted Japanese chef knife

tough vault Dec 18, 2019, 5:18 PM

#

Hey evurrbuddy, I have a hardware question, embedded style - I got a non-spec keyfob working with my car - Won't work in the ignition, but the buttons for lock, unlock, precondition, panic, etc all work. This is fine. Here's my idea - I want to stuff it in the trunk with a (insert controller here) with a GSM radio and Google Fi SIM, and use it to unlock, lock, and kick on the climate control. So here's the question - What's the best practice for a connection over a metered network to control something like this? MQTT?

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Thankfully they shipped insured

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 5:19 PM

#

yeah well supposedly i'm getting a refund, but it can take up to 24 days for most of these items since they're very high dollar... and i'm already close-ish to my credit limit

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and no way i'm going to pay off 30k for items i don't have in my possession

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first world problems, i know

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:20 PM

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My work credit card has a $50k limit, I have no idea why 😂

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 5:20 PM

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cuz ballers have to ball!

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:20 PM

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My personal one has $4000

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 5:21 PM

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i actually have a $50K credit limit on my personal card

fallow galleon Dec 18, 2019, 5:21 PM

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@clear ferry you know about whetstone?

clever mortar Dec 18, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Work credit card... limit 🤔

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 5:21 PM

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i just kept asking for credit limit increases every few months and they kept obliging

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:21 PM

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@clever mortar theoretical atleast ThonkEyes

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 5:21 PM

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eventually it became a game to see how high i could get it

clever mortar Dec 18, 2019, 5:21 PM

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I'm not sure mine actually has one, though... if I bought a boat the boss would "have words"

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 5:21 PM

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took me a while to reach the $50K threshold

fallow galleon Dec 18, 2019, 5:21 PM

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I read that higher limit gets your better score.....

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:21 PM

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@fallow galleon about a stone to sharpen knives?

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 5:22 PM

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it does. lower credit utilization

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Credit score is such an American thing

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 5:22 PM

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i am nowhere near the 10% threshold for "excellent"

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ever

fallow galleon Dec 18, 2019, 5:22 PM

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@clear ferry https://www.amazon.com/Suehiro-CR-3800-double-sided-grinding-Serakkusu/dp/B0176BZNX4

I'm considering buying this

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Noice

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 5:23 PM

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actually it helps your score, but hurts your liability, which means you likely won't get other lines of credit issued with other lines that already have high limits

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:24 PM

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I got the loan for my house alone, 100%, if the wife was to be included I would only have gotten 1/3 😂

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She earned less than 1/4 of what I earned at the time

clever mortar Dec 18, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Yeah, last time we sorted out mortgages, it was easier to not include the wife... which felt bad 🤷

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:29 PM

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I pay everything in our stuff

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I'm probably old fashioned

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 5:32 PM

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No that's smart

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 5:33 PM

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we've are joint on everything but i'm primary on the house and she's primary on the car which is kinda funny because she cares about the house more and i care about the care more

clever mortar Dec 18, 2019, 5:33 PM

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We're joint everything, except the mortgage (though joint on the house deeds)

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 5:33 PM

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I do the same, this is the first time in like 15 years I've had debt, and it's only because I'm not paying a cent for something not in hand

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:34 PM

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These days I'm the only one with income while she finishes her master's though

steel urchin Dec 18, 2019, 5:34 PM

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I dunno how my friends don't go insane with their debt pile

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 5:34 PM

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conditioning?

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student debt normalizes the feeling

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Student debt ThonkEyes

amber bramble Dec 18, 2019, 5:35 PM

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i'm going insane with my debt pile 🙃

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Also something very American

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 5:35 PM

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yep, its bad and everyone should feel bad

amber bramble Dec 18, 2019, 5:36 PM

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house, car, new roof, new furnace, student loans, hospital bills

strange vapor Dec 18, 2019, 5:36 PM

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https://www.macrumors.com/2019/12/18/apple-amazon-google-zigbee-open-standard/

Apple, Amazon, Google, and Zigbee Alliance to Develop Open Standar...

Apple, Amazon, Google, and the Zigbee Alliance today announced a new working group that plans to develop and promote the adoption of a new IP-based...

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 5:37 PM

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ugg, furnace is on our list but we've been hoping it limps along for a few more years

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Hospital bills ThonkEyes

amber bramble Dec 18, 2019, 5:37 PM

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ours started shooting fire out the front of it because the heat exchanger had a huge hole in it

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that was a fun discovery

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 5:37 PM

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ouch

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ours is in the attic, would probably set the house on fire before we noticed 😦

amber bramble Dec 18, 2019, 5:37 PM

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yeah don't have a baby in america, even after $300/month insurance premiums we still owe the hospital something like $10k

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 5:38 PM

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got lucky with our insurance for the baby

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Cost me $40 to have a baby, including five nights at the hospital 😛

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 5:38 PM

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$0 out of pocket for baby

light trout Dec 18, 2019, 5:38 PM

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https://forums.macrumors.com/attachments/883495 😂

boreal pewter Dec 18, 2019, 5:38 PM

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lol how that atxblyat

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 5:39 PM

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@light trout my thoughts exactly lol

amber bramble Dec 18, 2019, 5:39 PM

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yeah the furance one was interesting. It melted the wire for the ignitor and shorted it out against the frame, so it got stuck in a cycle of trying to light and start the cycle and then shorting and cutting out, and repeating

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I found it and threw some electric tape around the wire to get it working and monitored it while it was running

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Electric furnace ThonkEyes

amber bramble Dec 18, 2019, 5:40 PM

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made it through the rest of saturday and most of sunday and on the last run before i shut it off for the night I went out to the garage to check on it and it was blowing fire a few inches out the front of it

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gas furnace, but electric ignitor

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:40 PM

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You Americans are something special

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ThinkEyes

amber bramble Dec 18, 2019, 5:40 PM

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electric furnaces suck

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 5:41 PM

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"heat pumps" basically runs the AC backwards

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but i have gas heat

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 5:41 PM

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yeah electric furnaces are terrible

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:41 PM

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We only have wood ones in Norway, unless you are a multi millionaire, then you might have gas

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Newer stuff is mostly pellets though

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 5:42 PM

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gas is very common in the US (at least the midwest)

amber bramble Dec 18, 2019, 5:42 PM

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i love heat off of a wood stove

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but i don't love having to keep a wood stove filled and burning lol

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my wife grew up in a house with only wood heat

clear ferry Dec 18, 2019, 5:43 PM

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We primarily have heat pump

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But wood when it creeps below -20c

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 6:23 PM

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I got lucky when i bought my house - a week before i closed the hot water heater started leaking. Sellers replaced it at cost

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 6:25 PM

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I also got a new water heater shortly before close

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They also paid for a home warranty which covered 50% of the furnace cost when I needed to replace that within the year

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$900 for a new 66,000 BTU 80% Lennox furnace

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Installed

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 6:27 PM

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Nice. Yea one the things i did was put in water softener system, since we have some hard water where i live. even on city water

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 6:27 PM

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Thankfully I don't have hard water

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Good ol' lake Michigan

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 6:28 PM

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Lol. Yea the thing that sucks that i pay about $60 a month for just me..

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 6:29 PM

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I'm not sure how much my water bill is since it's rolled into my monthly dues

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But $145/month for HOA dues is incredibly low so I can't complain

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(condo, not a house)

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Ah. Thats not too bad. when i was in a condo mine was $180

clever mortar Dec 18, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Water bill... gotta love living in a place where there's no such thing 😉

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Well technically I do have it, it's just not transparent since it's in the dues

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 6:31 PM

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lol my HOA dues are 250/year

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 6:32 PM

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House?

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 6:32 PM

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they also do jack shit, so there's that

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yup

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 6:32 PM

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That's why

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Condos usually have higher dues because that includes exterior maintenance

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 6:32 PM

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eh, its still really low for the area

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 6:32 PM

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but when i sold my condo i used some of the money from the sale to put down on the princaple , my mortage went from $859/month to $644

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 6:32 PM

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that's why rental companies are snapping up all the houses

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we're about to lose the ability to have a 2/3rds vote 😄

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 6:34 PM

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That sucks. No HOA where i live now. which is nice so i can have as many LEDs as i want and no one can complain

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When i was in my condo, one of the projects they did was re-do the driveways, and do some drainage work, and theres about 60 units, everyone was assed $7000

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 6:36 PM

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yeah...that would be a dispute 😄

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 6:38 PM

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one thing they did do was for the new driveways, they did the curb cuts so no bump when pulling in

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 6:39 PM

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that's nice at least

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420k actually doesn't sound bad for that amount of concrete work

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 6:40 PM

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My old condo complex, i was oe of the ones in the center island

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wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 6:40 PM

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but also sounds like something that should come from the general fund and not a 1-time assesment

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Eh if there's not enough a special assessment is needed

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Yea, the units were bulit in the early 90s, so it was time for that kind of major work

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 6:42 PM

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sounds like poor planning then 😉

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 6:43 PM

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lol a few years before i moved in there i think it was 2011 or something they just replaced all the roofs, and i belive that came out of the general fund

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what was annoying though was when i had replace the windows, i had to pay for those, and of couse match the style, which added another couple hundred bucks to windows

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Had to replace my garbage disposal the other night. This was the old one...probably orginal one

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wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 6:56 PM

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lol wow, was it actually doing anything anymore? 😛

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 6:58 PM

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lol i doubt it. my current home was built in 2003. what was happing was that i would turn it on and it would make a buzzing sound

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 6:58 PM

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hmm, mine is probably original to the house and it was built in 98...add another thing to the list

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 7:00 PM

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yup. ah the joys of home ownership. I think the furnace was replaced at some point, but proablly next thing to replace will be the ac unit

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 7:01 PM

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i got the water heater replaced under the home warranty but they didn't want to touch the ac/heater

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 7:02 PM

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i don't have a garbage disposal

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neither do my parents. i feel like we're the only people in the US that don't have one

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 7:03 PM

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ah. one of the goals when i replace the ac unit is that i want to move it a few feet from its current location so i can do my planned addtion

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i know a few people that dont, its not uncommon

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 7:04 PM

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heh depending on how the lines are run that could add $$$$$

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 7:06 PM

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The ac is under the tarp, I basically want to move it to the other side of the furnace vent

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wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 7:08 PM

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they'll have to re-run the power and refrigerant lines :/

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 7:09 PM

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where you see the door that leads to garage, i want to do a 10x10 addtioton and come down to the furnace vent, where the bottom window i (which is currently a half bath) and put in a mudroom/laundry room.

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i have a laundry room but its in the basement which is annoying. I want to the addtion so that i have direct access from the house to the garage

inner vault Dec 18, 2019, 7:16 PM

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My old house had laundry on the top floor with the bedrooms which was amazing, now it's in the basement two floors away from the bedrooms, I'm contemplating that reno, but we just did a major kitchen overhaul and need to rebuild some reserves

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 7:17 PM

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yeah second floor laundry is nice

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personally, i would prefer a single story house with a basement

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so really a ranch with a basement i guess

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 7:21 PM

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yea next house for me. but as long as i have a basement, i'm happy.

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 7:23 PM

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i would love a basement but they're not common in this area

inner vault Dec 18, 2019, 7:24 PM

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I really like walk out basements but those pretty much only exist if you live on a hill haha

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 7:29 PM

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yeah i wouldn't want a walk-out basement, just a regular one

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kind of defeats the point IMO

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 7:29 PM

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What was nice though is that this house came with a finished basement

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and they used a drop ceiling and not drywall

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 7:30 PM

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drop ceiling is nice in a basement

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IMO there's no other way

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Nope. but the current floor plan is this - I have to go out my garage and enter the house through the main door

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fallow galleon Dec 18, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Old house here with drywall. I have no way to run ethernet to my TV 😦

inner vault Dec 18, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Our basement is poorly finished, drywall ceilings and they used 2x3s as firings making low ceilings even lower =/

fallow galleon Dec 18, 2019, 7:35 PM

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That's a weird design. @clear mirage

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 7:36 PM

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@fallow galleonyup annoying though.

fallow galleon Dec 18, 2019, 7:36 PM

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The garage location, AND with no connection to the house

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 7:36 PM

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Yup. Thats why i want to do the addition

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 7:38 PM

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yeah at that point it might as well be a fully-detached garage lol

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 7:39 PM

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My house was actually the spec house for the small sub thats behind me, and when they did the basement they used this cubicle-like materal for the wall, which was odd.

golden salmon Dec 18, 2019, 7:43 PM

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hey guys just joined the chat, working on redoing 1 side of a two family. ripped down to studs and power and 200ft of cat 6 installed

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 7:43 PM

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My proposed addition.. add a laundry/mudroo.

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golden salmon Dec 18, 2019, 7:43 PM

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That would be a nice large addition

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btw that was 2000ft*

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 7:45 PM

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yea, then above that i would also like to enlarge my master bath, since it sits right above the the current half bath

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 7:45 PM

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ah yeah i like that

strange vapor Dec 18, 2019, 7:47 PM

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Front part of my place was built in the 30s, and an L shaped extension added in the 80s. Big valley between the original roof and new roof. Seriously considering filling in the valley next year and giving myself an upstairs for an extra bedroom and man cave.

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And putting in some proper insulation while I'm at it.

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 7:47 PM

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+1 on the insulation

golden salmon Dec 18, 2019, 7:47 PM

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about to get closed cell spary foam in attic and turn it into a room in a 200+ year old split family home

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 7:48 PM

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My current master bath.. the house is 3 beds, 2.5 baths and about 1400sqft

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strange vapor Dec 18, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Plus some nice triple glazed windows. My mother got them installed down at home last year, and they really make a difference.

golden salmon Dec 18, 2019, 7:48 PM

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double hung+

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 7:49 PM

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i prefer casement

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better seal

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although no way to use a window a/c

strange vapor Dec 18, 2019, 7:50 PM

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There's a local company doing triple glaze where they put a layer in which fogs up the window if you supply current. A few simple relays, and that could be controlled from some app which shouldn't be mentioned in this channel 😄

fallow galleon Dec 18, 2019, 7:50 PM

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Is anyone familiar with AC thermostat wiring? I think I have "C wire" on my AC but I want to make sure before I run it to the thermostat

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 7:50 PM

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Its amazing how much of a difference new windows make. I know i'm going to have to that in a few years.

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 7:51 PM

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did that as one of the first things in our place

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windows and doors

golden salmon Dec 18, 2019, 7:52 PM

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@fallow galleon I installed one once a quick google search explained how all of the wires work and how to identify C wire. If i remember correctly it was blue but i would double check

strange vapor Dec 18, 2019, 7:52 PM

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In the case of my parents house, the windows that were replaced 30yo single glazed with wooden frames. A sheet of clear plastic would have been an improvment :/

wet pilot Dec 18, 2019, 7:52 PM

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22 windows in this place 🤢

fallow galleon Dec 18, 2019, 7:52 PM

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@golden salmon The colors are all messed up.....

golden salmon Dec 18, 2019, 7:52 PM

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@strange vapor applying plastic over old windows today after work

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 7:52 PM

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@golden salmon it's not always blue, color doesn't mean anything

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@fallow galleon trace it back to where it's at on the furnace control board

fallow galleon Dec 18, 2019, 7:53 PM

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golden salmon Dec 18, 2019, 7:53 PM

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@fallow galleon is that the control board side?

scenic radish Dec 18, 2019, 7:53 PM

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see what's connected on the furnace control board

golden salmon Dec 18, 2019, 7:53 PM

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find one connected to the transformer

fallow galleon Dec 18, 2019, 7:54 PM

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This is AC side. The control is upside down inside the unit.

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Not connected to furnace.

strange vapor Dec 18, 2019, 7:54 PM

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I have to upgrade the heating system as well. Currently using an oil burner, and the boiler is older than I am. Just upgrading the boiler would probably be a big help, but looking to see what more sustainable option I can put in.

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 7:55 PM

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@wet pilot i have 11 windows in mine. and they're all casement except for 2 which are a double hung.

strange vapor Dec 18, 2019, 7:55 PM

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The way planning permission is going here, if you're doing any extension to a house, you have to be increasing the efficiency of the house as well. Which is fair enough, but they can carry it too far.

fallow galleon Dec 18, 2019, 7:56 PM

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@golden salmon From the drawing on the manual, I think one of the wires going to the conpressor is the C wire, but I want to measure it to ensure.

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 7:58 PM

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Yea that process i'm not looking forward too, i actually went to school for architecture so i have some background knowledge about that kinda stuff. but heres a iso view of the addtion

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golden salmon Dec 18, 2019, 7:59 PM

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somewhat of a frontend newbie here. What do you use to make the mockups?

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blender?

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 7:59 PM

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I used google sketchup

golden salmon Dec 18, 2019, 7:59 PM

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cool looks nice

strange vapor Dec 18, 2019, 8:00 PM

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@clear mirage How are the house built where you are? Woodframe? Brick?

clear mirage Dec 18, 2019, 8:01 PM

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@strange vapor I'm in michigan, so typically wood framing.