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clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 1:11 PM

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pepeviolin

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:17 PM

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@sonic jewel Python.

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It's the language for jack of alls.

sonic jewel Nov 23, 2019, 1:18 PM

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hmm is it

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:18 PM

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I took an hour the other day to write something that would have taken me all of 5 minutes.

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feltgoodman

sonic jewel Nov 23, 2019, 1:18 PM

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I guess widely useful

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:18 PM

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Yeah, it is legit.

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Do you linux at all?

sonic jewel Nov 23, 2019, 1:18 PM

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yea proficient lol

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:18 PM

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Excellent.

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Learn enough bash to find zsh.

sonic jewel Nov 23, 2019, 1:19 PM

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not familar with zsh

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:19 PM

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So....

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zsh is a wonderous shell.

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It has a lot of quality of life enhancements.

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Particularly if you find yourself working in git repos.

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But, its quality of life is worth the effort.

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even if you never code a lick.

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Which you should -- in Python.

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https://ohmyz.sh/

Oh My Zsh!

Oh My Zsh - a delightful & open source framework for Zsh

Oh-My-Zsh is a delightful, open source, community-driven framework for managing your ZSH configuration. It comes bundled with several helpful functions, helpers, plugins, themes, and a few things that make you shout... OH MY ZSH!

sonic jewel Nov 23, 2019, 1:21 PM

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looking at it now. color coded is always nice

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 1:21 PM

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Long live sh 😛

sonic jewel Nov 23, 2019, 1:21 PM

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I guess very responsive

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:21 PM

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I run it on osx.

sonic jewel Nov 23, 2019, 1:23 PM

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installing it now to take a look

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:23 PM

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Tells me the branch I am on -- if I need to make any commits.

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📎 unknown.png

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handy.

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very rabbit holy.

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worth a tinker.

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I've been online since the mid 80's.

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That's a good font.

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https://pcaro.es/p/hermit/

Pablo Caro - Hermit: a font for programmers, by a programmer

Hermit is a monospace font designed to be clear, pragmatic and very readable.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 1:25 PM

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Mid 80s, you were on ARPANET?

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😛

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:25 PM

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fidonet.

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I was a child. After my father died, I assumed his identity.

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11 years old, 1986, had an email address.

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blew my wee mind.

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fidonet was (is?) a federation of BBS nodes that sync up and relay fora and private messages.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 1:27 PM

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I didn't start online until 1993 sad

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:27 PM

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ETERNAL SEPTEMBER.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 1:27 PM

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BBS' at the time

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:27 PM

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#neverforget

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^_^

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The greybeards refer to 1993 as eternal september.

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That's when AOL brought the unwashed masses to usenet.

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Or, was it 97?

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Feels like it might have been 97.

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93 was still a bit nice.

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There was a kinda.... difficulty gauntlet that kept trogs out.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 1:28 PM

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We didn't have AOL in Norway 😛

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Nor did we use Usenet much

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:29 PM

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I have some Norway blood in me.

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On behalf of my bloodline, I would like to thank you for my ability to drink milk.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 1:29 PM

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ThinkEyes

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:30 PM

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It is an adaption for upper latitudes -- particularly in light of vitamin d deficiency.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 1:30 PM

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With our 3 months without sunlight it was probably useful 😛

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Right?

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Those ancient Nords were prolly on that cow taet 24x7

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or goat.

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prolly goat.

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XD

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Anyhow, salutations cousin of the north.

hushed basalt Nov 23, 2019, 1:42 PM

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I don't care much for linux and bash

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I'm happier when I'm far away from it all

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Yamls and abstract containers

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Python and web

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Long live Unix, I'm guaranteed work for the next 20+ years 😛

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:43 PM

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YAML is nice but it has flaws.

hushed basalt Nov 23, 2019, 1:43 PM

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It's a unix system

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I know this

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{
  "Although" : {
    "Is_it_better": { 
        "than"
    },
    "Writing",
    "JSON?"
  }
}

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:44 PM

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funfact:
YAML is a superset of JSON.

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JSON is valid YAML

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YAML is tricky because the parser will eval.

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So, as long as you are mindful of this, yeah.

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But -- I get you.

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All my kubernetes are teh yaml this and that.

hushed basalt Nov 23, 2019, 1:46 PM

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It annoys me having to deal with aws or vsc stuff

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And having to jsonify it all

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:47 PM

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serialized data is serialized data.

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Sides -- all that stuff is for automation, not humans.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 1:47 PM

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Zzzzz cloud

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:47 PM

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I betcha there are tools you can use to jsonify your yamls.

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cloud doesn't have to be off prem.

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In fact, chic-fil-a uses a rasberry pi k8s cluster for their POS systems

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being able to schedule and migrate workloads > not

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The number 1 feature of any software is. . .

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UPTIME

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So, wake up from your asleep, cloud. We have workloads to schedule.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 1:51 PM

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I deploy hybrid cloud and on prem cloud weekly, but I see more and more return from public cloud

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:51 PM

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True.

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Because -- fuck having to manage that control plane.

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I feel you so hard.

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It allows a much tighter org.

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And, you can focus your opex on SREs and DevOps

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Had a customer try to move their hpc to the cloud, but they'll probably end up buying another batch of 800 servers I reckon

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:53 PM

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One does not simply move an application to the cloud.

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I'm in the middle of a migration project.

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Of course, this application has more technical debt in it than just starting from scratch it seems, sometimes.

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dammit

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speak of the devil. . .

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Applications zzzz

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I don't bother with that level of implementations angryboi

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Alert: KubeVersionMismatch - warning
 Description: There are 2 different semantic versions of Kubernetes components running.
 Graph: :chart_with_upwards_trend: Runbook: :spiral_note_pad:
 Details:
  • alertname: KubeVersionMismatch```

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Oh yeah.

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We're pipelining CI/CD for dev who have never used git before.

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#goodtimes

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Meh. False positive. That's our managed EKS.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Zzzz software 😛

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:56 PM

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I only have to know it enough to complain about it correctly.

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So I can say, "Dev. Write some god damn healthchecks. You're killing me."

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But, also....

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Man, I love me somepython.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Zzzz code 😛

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 1:58 PM

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You know? Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like if we were bronzeage. What would my role be?

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I'd probably move heavy rocks to act as cosmic calendars and have a bunch of garlic recipes for wounds.

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I'm nearsighted as fuck, so -- I would not be the best archer but, you'd sure as hell want ME to perform your trepanation for when the devils were in your skull.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 2:02 PM

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Damnit

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I need to renew my ESTA

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Better do it now before I forget it again

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:02 PM

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Yes.

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Do now.

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US is such a shitshow that you don't want any tight deadlines.

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Also, as much as you hate dicking with things -- you might like this:
https://antsle.com/

Antsle: The #1 software for on-premise, private cloud servers

antsle: Private Cloud Servers, Designed for Developer.

Antsle enables developer-driven companies to deploy a turnkey Private Cloud solution, so you can focus on building your product.

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It's not perfect but it's nice.

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Spinning up a cluster now.

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Might as well make HA a container.

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OH. Can any of you guys recommend good motion tracking that connects to HA? Is there something with a battery I don't have to change often?

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*motion sensing

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 2:07 PM

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I moved my entire esxi farm to docker and freebsd jails recently

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:07 PM

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wait.

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VMs?

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 2:07 PM

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But I need to redo my esxi farm for labs anyway

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Oh

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LXC?

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 2:07 PM

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No lxc

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Just docker containers and bsd jails

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:08 PM

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That's cool.

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I am starting to think LXC might be better than docker.

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I don't tell many people this ever.

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So -- antsle will run LXC workloads.

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I haven't played with it yet.

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It promises better utilization of resources.

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Otherwise, I am carving out cycles and memory for VMs just to run containers when I could just move the containers straight to the hypervisor. A compelling thought -- it would allow me to way over subscribe.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 2:10 PM

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Don't think lxc is enterprise ready, I have never seen a customer run it

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:10 PM

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Google Slate uses it in production on their slates.

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Not for service, no.

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But, it is a very handsome abstraction layer for integrated linux subsystems.

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check out crostini

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 2:11 PM

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95% of my customers run esxi or hyper-v

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Probably in a 85/15% distribution

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Yeah, we're vsphere.

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I'm kinda interested to see what vmware has in store for containers.

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You know -- Red Hat's cloud architect jumped ship to join them.

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the openshift guy.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 2:12 PM

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I've been to a few 7.x NDA discussions

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Looks nice

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:12 PM

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ENVY.

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You're my new best friend, @clear ferry .

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😄

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 2:13 PM

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running

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:13 PM

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haha.

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https://tenor.com/view/bird-parakeet-explosion-gif-9103089

Tenor

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 2:14 PM

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xiWOKE

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:16 PM

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With any luck, we'll be able to just let those things collect dust. I want a scheduler that can orchestrate across providers so we can just focus on our software.

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Then I'll be able to automate my job out of existence and move on to things of import like, not reading more email.

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man I hate email so much.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 2:17 PM

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I have 140,000 unread emails in my inbox right now

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:17 PM

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#livingTheDream

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I prefer slack and we have been successful at moving a lot of our interactions to slack.

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Now, instead of unread emails, I have unread slack notifications.

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XD

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:20 PM

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@cunning pewter Are you in DevOps?

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:23 PM

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I am a Site Reliability Engineer at a large software company.

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So -- I am an instance of the class, "DevOps".

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 2:24 PM

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🤣

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Site Reliability Engineer sounds like fancy speak for I know what you're supposed to do, and that's not it

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:25 PM

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It is a discipline created by Google.

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Adopted by the industry.

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It is, essentially, DevOps.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 2:25 PM

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And abandoned by Google? 😛

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:26 PM

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No.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:26 PM

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lol

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I was just curious, because I'm about to go through a major career change and thinking about DevOps.

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:26 PM

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A good thought.

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Read these books.

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https://landing.google.com/sre/books/

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:27 PM

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awesome, thanks!

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:27 PM

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Also? I recommend RHCSA if you don't have one.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 2:27 PM

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SRE looks interesting

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:27 PM

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It is DevOps.

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Essentially.

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90-130K

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 2:27 PM

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Yeah, slight tweak of flavour by the looks of things

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:28 PM

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The focus is a pragmatic application of DevOps paradigms.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Which is more of what I see in folks who're "doing DevOPS"

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:29 PM

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Agile organizations seem to be getting it more than those who do not.

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For it to truly work, it needs to be top down.

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So, the org needs to have a sense of it to enable to right teams and workflows.

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Also? I would get your CKA and CKAD.

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containerization is our #1 focus for transforming business, presently.

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Linux, Python, Ansible, Test Driven Development, CI/CD, github, vscode -- creating masteries there will be your friend.

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Also, Linux Academy is $150 off, right now, for the year.

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Get it.

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Now.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:32 PM

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yeah, I've seen those in all the job postings

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Where are you located?

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:32 PM

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US, moving to South Carolina

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:33 PM

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There's some good stuff out that way.

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Constant Learning.

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Never Stop.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:33 PM

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right down the street from where I'm moving is a Google datacenter

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:33 PM

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I am 45. I study harder now than when I was a welp.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:33 PM

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and of course everyone always needs an IT guy

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lol

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and I'm about to turn 41

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:34 PM

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These skills will future proof you enough to get some good battle scars.

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By the time you can't keep up, you'll be ready to lead.

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---> Linux Academy

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I can't recommend it enough.

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Oh, and if you haven't already - docker all the things.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:36 PM

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oh yeah, that's what I've been doing. not that bad once you get used to it

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:36 PM

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A lot of people will say a lot of things about docker but the container format is used everywhere.

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I have a few choice words regarding containers having root and a root process running my workloads, but. . .

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that's in the future.

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don't worry about all of the, right now.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:36 PM

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RedHat? I'm fairly familiar with Debian, but think I need to get into RedHat more

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Well, I say RHCSA because of the brand recognition.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:37 PM

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ahh

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:37 PM

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The cert goers a long way -- and getting it isn't easy.

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So, it lowers the barrier of entry dramatically.

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I got a 20K bump after I got mine.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:38 PM

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wow

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:38 PM

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Its basic stuff but it will require extraordinary discipline.

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Also, it creates a nice substrate to plug in other proficiencies.

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The cadence of learning is something you should persist through to other technologies.

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In my own world, it is Python, CKA cert, and CKAD cert.

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The rest of my learning this year will be softskills.

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Like -- how not to be a dick to assholes.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:40 PM

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haha, that's going to be a problem with me. I'm military, leaving in 18 months

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:40 PM

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No, no.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:40 PM

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It's been my job to be a dick

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:40 PM

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I mean yes.

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But, no.

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Yeah -- so, I love .mil guys because they understand The Mission.

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So, keep that.

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The Mission is more important than any other thing.

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The mission is uptime.

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But, yeah.

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You gotta watch your mouth because: HR.

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XD

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:41 PM

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yeah

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:41 PM

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Do you have a security clearance?

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:42 PM

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yup

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:42 PM

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nice.

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You'll have more opportunities than I do.

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I landed with a good org.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:42 PM

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where are you located?

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:42 PM

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I feel good about our work -- but, finding that right fit where you can thrive and grow is important.

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I am in Indiana.

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Silicorn Valley.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:43 PM

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lol

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:44 PM

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Cost of Living is dirt cheap, too.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:44 PM

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yeah, I bet. COL isn't too bad in Charleston, higher than where I'm at now, but not california high

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:45 PM

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Right? Those people are crazy.
News Flash -- you can put avacodos on toast out here, too.

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I am shocked that it's 2020 and there hasn't been a diaspora fueled by remote work.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:46 PM

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I know

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are you remote?

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:46 PM

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I can be. I prefer to go to the office.

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As much as I am loathe to admit it, politics are important and face to face affords a lot of off-the-record.

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So, I kinda get why people are close to the well.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:46 PM

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that's true

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 2:47 PM

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Really hard to lead a team that you don't know

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:47 PM

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Right.

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Of course, that being said -- I think there's a niche for these human interactions if one finds a way to make such interactions ephemeral.

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It's a slippery slope.

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Being able to confide and team build really takes proximity, I suppose.

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That said -- some of the folks on my team are flung all over the nation.

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And, the more they document their code -- the more leadership /knows/ about them. ^_^

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I'm a bit of an unofficial quartermaster at work, so -- I enjoy being able to talk to folks face to face.

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I am torn on this subject.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 2:56 PM

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I've found that it's more who you know than what you know that enables you to get stuff done

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Of course, if you'd asked me that earlier in my career, I'd have said otherwise

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:56 PM

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Yes. Scrum masters serve the role to interoperate across functional teams.

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But, I can't tell you how often a VP will single me out to get something to done.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 2:57 PM

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so debian server obviously doesn't like my laptop, or more specifically, my laptop's ethernet interface

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or my router doesn't like debian server

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or my laptop

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Most recent kernel?

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router don't care.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 2:58 PM

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actually it's my router. it's not respecting static IP addresses set on the device

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 2:58 PM

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That... makes no sense

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 2:58 PM

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As long as there is not a conflict, you should be right as rain.

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Can you grab a dynamic address?

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 2:59 PM

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If your device is getting a DHCP lease, and you want static, then you didn't disable DHCP

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 2:59 PM

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i assigned a static IP on my pi which was working fine for a long time. now my router will see the static ip but flips back in forth randomly between the static IP and one that it's assigning

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Then DHCP is still enabled

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 2:59 PM

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set a dhcp lease

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static lease

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 2:59 PM

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i'm about to throw my router out the window lol

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Yeah, disable DHCP or set a static lease

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It's not the router

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It's ~~you~~ your laptop

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:00 PM

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You may also have dhcp assigned as well.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:00 PM

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now i'm back to the pi

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same issue

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:00 PM

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interfaces can have two ips.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:00 PM

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100% probability DHCP is still enabled on the laptop

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:00 PM

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You could have a static AND an dynamic on the same interface.

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What distro?

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📎 unknown.png

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:02 PM

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i was using debian server

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fresh install

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but i went back to the pi, HassOS

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:02 PM

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I just realized I had to ips on my box after talking about it.

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GAH

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XD

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See how one of those is dynamic?

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My guess is that you have something like that going on. Maybe.

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What does your interface look like?

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:03 PM

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but i went back to the pi which was working fine before and now it's doing the same behavior

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i'd been using the pi for a year before with no issues

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:04 PM

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So, your router only cares about layers 1-3

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Yeah, but the way IPs are allocated is different in newer versions of Debian

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:04 PM

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and the laptop is now disconnected from the network entirely

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Just adding stuff to /etc/network/interfaces isn't enough

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:04 PM

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This issue is either layer 7 or layer 8.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:05 PM

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You've got to make sure that dhclient is disabled

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:05 PM

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that's good to know tinkerer. just confused why i have the same issue on my pi now

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Possibly a new enough version of Raspbian 😉

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:05 PM

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which had no issues before

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HassOS

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Ah, HassOS... that's a strange thing

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Questions about that belong in #330990055533576204 😛

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:05 PM

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i installed debian server on my laptop to try it out with home assistant

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:06 PM

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If its the same interface, you may need to clear your arp?
/shrug

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:06 PM

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then went back to the pi and had the same behavior

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@clever mortar only asking here because it seems more like a network issue

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:06 PM

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It most certainly is.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:06 PM

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maybe it's time for me to get a new router lol

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:06 PM

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nono.

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Your router is fine.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 3:06 PM

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PEBKAC @scenic radish

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angryboi

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:06 PM

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lol whatever

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:07 PM

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Layer 8.

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^_^

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:07 PM

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Your router cannot force an IP allocation on a device that doesn't ask for it

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:07 PM

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i just don't understand how the same thing is happening on the pi when i didn't change any settings after plugging it back in

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i assigned a static IP months ago

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:08 PM

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You can have a lease for the same mac address that exists.

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And, the arp table could be confuzzled.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 3:08 PM

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Static ips

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🤢

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:09 PM

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I use static internally.

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Mostly, because, I'm not how I can stand up a cluster dynamically.

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I should probably be doing that.

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I even have a subdomain delegated to freeipa in here. I bet I could pull it off.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:10 PM

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so the connection was working fine on the pi. then i went to debian server on a laptop, and noticed it would go between the static IP and an IP my router allocates. so i gave up on that and went back to the pi. same behavior. in my router interface i see
192.168.87.2
then suddenly
192.168.87.48
then
disconnected

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and looping, forever

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:11 PM

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type in
ip a

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paste the results.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:11 PM

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yet i can always access at 192.168.87.2

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:11 PM

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If I can't help you I can at least try.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:12 PM

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will do, one sec

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:12 PM

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You know what?

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 3:12 PM

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Lovely that I am going to a progressive, modern country like the USA

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:12 PM

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I'll even install the same os if I have to.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 3:12 PM

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But I need to take a refresh vaccine for MMR now

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:12 PM

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@clear ferry obvious troll is obvious.

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^_^

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 3:13 PM

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Because of a outbreak in the area I'm going to 😛

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PartyParrot

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:13 PM

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On the bright side, you probably won't die before you get there...

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:13 PM

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Depends. You on a 737?

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XD

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 3:13 PM

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I probably will now since you mentioned it @clever mortar

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rip

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:14 PM

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Pray to all the gods. You'll be fine.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 3:14 PM

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By Crom!

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:14 PM

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I recommend Crom before you come here, tho.

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XD

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:14 PM

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🤣

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:14 PM

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https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xgBxtrdnw3/

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Dear lord.

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OK.

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Lemme see here.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:16 PM

#

again, just confused because i disconnected the pi from the network, set up debian server on my laptop, noticed the strange behavior, disconnected the laptop, and plugged the pi back in

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no changes

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it's showing all the HassOS docker containers

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that's why there's so much shit there lol

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is my guess

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:16 PM

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So -- your interface is eth0?

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:16 PM

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then again, layer 8

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yep

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 3:17 PM

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.2 is the static?

velvet horizonBOT Nov 23, 2019, 3:17 PM

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https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/posts/2/

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 3:17 PM

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doh

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:17 PM

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yeah it is

#

so i see on my router for the pi:
192.168.87.2
then
192.168.87.46
then
disconnected
in a loop

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but i can always access at 192.168.87.2

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Your pi is using this machine as a relay or has its own interface?

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:18 PM

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the only reason this is an issue is because it screws up remote access because my router doesn't think it's connected

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:19 PM

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Port forwarding shouldn't care if the router thinks there's a DHCP lease

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:19 PM

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because i can always access at 192.168.87.2

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so that's the thing. i can't even assign 192.168.87.2 as an DHCP reservation. it refuses to assign it even though no other device has it

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(if i change eth0 to dhcp)

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:20 PM

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=_=

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:20 PM

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i don't understand your question cognomen

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:20 PM

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I am confused by your statement regarding not being able to set a reservation on .2

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 3:20 PM

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what's your dhcp pool?

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Ah so.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:21 PM

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192.168.87.40 to 250

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:21 PM

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Well, that's why.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 3:21 PM

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that's why you can't assign a reservation

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:21 PM

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i've been able to do it before

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 3:21 PM

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it has to be in the pool

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:21 PM

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i did that before setting a static ip on the pi

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 3:22 PM

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but something's up with your pi, bc the dhcp server will only try to assign a ip if the pi asks for one

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:22 PM

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so that's the weird thing. i had no issues with the pi before. this all started after i disconnected the pi and noticed this behavior on the laptop that i installed debian server on

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Don't you need something to relay DHCP? I don't think one can simply forward that.

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you need a relay agent, don't you?

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:22 PM

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then went back to the pi and saw the same behavior that the laptop showed on the network

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:23 PM

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I think either its smacking down that proto on the firewall or you need to relay it.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 3:23 PM

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yeah, you'd need a dhcp relay to forward dhcp, but why are you asking about that? what am I missing

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:23 PM

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The pi is DHCP, no?

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:24 PM

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static

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Hrm.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 3:24 PM

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static, but getting a new ip from router

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correct?

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Take it out of your dynamic pool.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:24 PM

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the dhcp pool is 192.168.87.40 to 250

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Assign it something outside your dynamic range.

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if it is static.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:24 PM

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that's what i did

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 3:24 PM

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it is, he's set .2

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:24 PM

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192.168.87.2

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Oh, I thought that was the lappy.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:25 PM

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it was the pi first

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:25 PM

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ARP.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:25 PM

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then i disconnected it

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:25 PM

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this is ARP.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 3:25 PM

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yeah, sounds like arp

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you're not doing any MAC assignments are you?

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:25 PM

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and tried setting the laptop to static *.2

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nope

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 3:25 PM

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spoofing

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hrm

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:26 PM

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Set pi to another static address not shared by any other devices.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:26 PM

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so how do i correct an issue with ARP

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doing that now

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:26 PM

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the router has a table where it maps ip to MAC.

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I suspect the issue is here.

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If you can, on the router, you can clear arp.

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But, that depends on the firmware, os, etc.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:26 PM

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google wifi... so i don't think so lol

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Yeah. Find a discrete addy.

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no more tears.

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On a LAN, nothing talks IP.

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it all talks mac addresses.

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tables are built on devices that map IP to MAC address.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:27 PM

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yeah i'll try assigning a different IP. i tried that on the laptop but not on the pi yet

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right, that makes sense

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because the mac wouldn't change

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well... shouldn't

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:28 PM

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It can, but that's 200 level class next semester.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 3:28 PM

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lol

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:28 PM

#

DEADBEEF

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:28 PM

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0xcafe

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Changing the MAC address is pretty trivial on Linux, at least for most NICs

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:29 PM

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It's a rabbithole.

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STAY On TARGET @scenic radish .

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XD

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:30 PM

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Yeah, but a fun one to go down at times

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:30 PM

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indeed, it is.

#

Indeed it is.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:30 PM

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alright assigning 192.168.87.10 now

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:30 PM

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Hey, I'm really your router, send me all your packets

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:30 PM

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lmao

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:30 PM

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A buddy of mine ARP poisoned a router on me at work once.

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flipped all my pics upside down.

#

lol, wiseguy. You just created a security incident.

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XD

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It gets slow in the NOC sometimes.

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*got

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:32 PM

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🤣

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:32 PM

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Hated NOC work. Ugh

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:32 PM

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ok so it didn't work with the hassos import from usb method, i'll do it via ssh

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:32 PM

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you may have to restart network services, as well.

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I haven't been on a pi in a minute.

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I should find mine, today.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:34 PM

#

also, more relevant info: if i change eth0 to dhcp and let the router assign (no dhcp reservation), everything's fine

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no looping, which makes sense

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but i don't want the router's bullshit assigned IP, i want 192.168.87.2. but honestly i've spent so much damn time on this i'm tired of it

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and i want to play xbox

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ugh. sorry guys. i'll just reserve the bullshit IP it's assigning and call it a day. sorry to waste your time

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:36 PM

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It's all an opportunity to learn - and no learning is ever a waste of time

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:37 PM

#

yeah.

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I don't mind.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:37 PM

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thanks. do you guys understand why i'm confused though? i changed nothing on the pi, tried out debian server on a separate machine, saw a weird issue, went back to the pi, and saw the same strange behavior

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:37 PM

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I wish I had more mentors when I was hacking at stuff.

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If its sharing the same IP ARP will drive you mad.

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 3:37 PM

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yeah that's wierd

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:38 PM

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You may of course have gremlins...

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:38 PM

#

Also, you had it statically assigned to a range in your dynamic.

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Now, DHCP should be smart enough to not assign something it can ping.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:38 PM

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i had it statically assigned outside the DHCP pool

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:38 PM

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but, google is a blackbox.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:38 PM

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the pool starts at 40, i was assigning 2

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Also, true story, cosmic rays can flip bits.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:38 PM

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maybe it's an EMP

stable terrace Nov 23, 2019, 3:38 PM

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well, the pi shouldn't even be requesting an address

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:39 PM

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honestly i almost want to factory reset the router

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:39 PM

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That would clear arp.

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XD

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:39 PM

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yup

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:39 PM

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standby

#

there has to be a better way to try that.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:39 PM

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yeah i can't find anything on el goog for how to clear arp on google wifi

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:40 PM

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Nuke it from orbit?

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:40 PM

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It's the only way to be sure.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:40 PM

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problem solved

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:41 PM

#

Man. It really /is/ a black box.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:43 PM

#

yup

#

i got it before i even knew about home assistant

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:43 PM

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No worries.

#

I thought about one of those, myself.

#

I ended up with a ubiquity network.

#

I highly recommend it if you upgrade your network.

hearty depot Nov 23, 2019, 3:43 PM

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@scenic radish where the hell is the ip range from? 40-250
and 192.168.87 - that doesnt sound like fun

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:44 PM

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yeah the default subnet was 192.168.87

light trout Nov 23, 2019, 3:44 PM

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Didn't I tell you to get a better router weeks ago?

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:44 PM

#

Does google router have hardwired ports?

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:44 PM

#

@light trout no yes

light trout Nov 23, 2019, 3:44 PM

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1xLAN && 1xWAN

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:45 PM

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:/

#

I guess vlans are out.

#

And, if you do a managed switch you might as well get another router while you're at it. ^_^

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 3:46 PM

#

♥️ my unifi

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:46 PM

#

omg, dude.

#

unifi is the Apple of Networks.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:46 PM

#

Just... disable the telemetry they snuck in 😉

light trout Nov 23, 2019, 3:46 PM

#

it just works

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Except -- the hell with your phone home? I can has patch please?

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:47 PM

#

Yeah, that's why I won't buy them now... Mikrotik are back on my list

hearty depot Nov 23, 2019, 3:47 PM

#

I schould do that 🤮

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:47 PM

#

They're gonna update that.

#

They stepped on a landmine.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:47 PM

#

Tap danced in a field of them

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:47 PM

#

fwiw, it is GDPR.

hearty depot Nov 23, 2019, 3:47 PM

#

the mine was to small

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 3:47 PM

#

haters

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:47 PM

#

I love mine.

#

warts and all.

#

GDPR is fine. Off is better, and -- that's in the pipe.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:48 PM

#

They pulled a Google 😛

#

We'll do this, and then fix it later

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:48 PM

#

LEAN vs Waterfall.

#

^_^

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 3:48 PM

#

wth are yall taling about my setup has been flawless for years

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:49 PM

#

yeah, when you update your AP, it'll start talking to the mothership and fail if you block it.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 3:49 PM

#

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/07/ubiquiti_networks_phone_home/

light trout Nov 23, 2019, 3:49 PM

#

don't update

hearty depot Nov 23, 2019, 3:49 PM

#

They intruduced GPDR approved spying in the firmware

light trout Nov 23, 2019, 3:49 PM

#

that is the new normal...

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:49 PM

#

GDPR is pretty draconion.

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 3:49 PM

#

well i dont see any callbacks on wireshark/pihole

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:49 PM

#

honestly.

#

you will /yoda

#

It's fine. They're slipping all over themselves to patch it.

#

And, what's there is GDPR.

#

Honestly? meh.

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 3:51 PM

#

but i did find a old tablet i am using for hadash that is consuming 15 mbps ...it is currently blocked

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:51 PM

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I'm in the US -- we leave cookies and milk out in our private conversations for the NSA.

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 3:53 PM

#

##metoo

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 3:53 PM

#

lol

#

snaccurate

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 3:53 PM

#

yep ...with this snowflake world hard to be pc

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 3:54 PM

#

#whataboutme sad

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:54 PM

#

I can't wait until OK Boomer EEOC claims start piling up.

#

that will be lollercaust.

#

40+ is a protected class.
I can has lawsuit nau? XD

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 3:57 PM

#

youngen ^^^

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:57 PM

#

Vasiley how is your Unifi Grafana Stack doing?

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 3:57 PM

#

have not tried it

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:57 PM

#

😱

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 3:57 PM

#

i know huh

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 3:57 PM

#

Lol 40+

#

You are all fossils

#

Except @light trout

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:58 PM

#

I am a methusela.

#

I turn 45 in jan.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 3:58 PM

#

So you are half the age of @dull chasm

#

Nice to have some kids here

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 3:58 PM

#

🖕

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:58 PM

#

I'm so old, I have to take my glasses off when I poop.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 3:58 PM

#

❤

unreal orbit Nov 23, 2019, 3:59 PM

#

You're all a bunch of 👴 to me

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 3:59 PM

#

@dull chasm you are still on my nice list for Christmas

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 3:59 PM

#

oh ok ❤️

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 3:59 PM

#

re: pooping, because -- I am nearsighted and I refuse to wear bifocals just so I can shit and read reddit.

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 3:59 PM

#

Ship to : old fart in the swamp

unreal orbit Nov 23, 2019, 3:59 PM

#

How's the wrist doing @dull chasm

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 3:59 PM

#

Status: delivered

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:00 PM

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not great @unreal orbit thanks so much for asking

unreal orbit Nov 23, 2019, 4:00 PM

#

damn, sorry man.

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:00 PM

#

5 fractures

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:00 PM

#

Yeow!

#

bonebroth.

#

get yee some bone broth.

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:01 PM

#

📎 image0.jpg

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:01 PM

#

Unf

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:01 PM

#

call me terminator 🤣

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:01 PM

#

COME WITH ME IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO WALK PAST THESE ROLLER BLADES VERY CAREFULLY.

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:02 PM

#

airport will never be the same

unreal orbit Nov 23, 2019, 4:02 PM

#

That really sucks. I've never had a hand/arm fracture, but I've broken my collar bone a few times. Recovery is the worst

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:02 PM

#

yep

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:02 PM

#

On the plus side, at least you don't need weather reports, anymore.

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:03 PM

#

no shit

#

prolly got to have surgey again in 6 months to remove the chipped bone on left

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:03 PM

#

I ripped some muscle off my bone rolling in jiu jitsu. I wasn't right for two years.

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:04 PM

#

thank god my job i have great benifits

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:04 PM

#

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

unreal orbit Nov 23, 2019, 4:04 PM

#

A silver lining to everything

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:04 PM

#

yep i still have close to 4000 hrs of time i can take off

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:04 PM

#

does that shit roll over?

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:05 PM

#

yep

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:05 PM

#

DAMN

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 4:05 PM

#

wut

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:05 PM

#

i work in goverment

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 4:05 PM

#

500 days???

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 4:05 PM

#

I'd like to chill for a while now

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 4:05 PM

#

for those outside the US, not sure if days are different in metric

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:05 PM

#

at least and i earn more even while i am out

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:05 PM

#

Ha, newest Unifi Update. I was asked if I want to send diagnostics to Ubiqity upon login

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 4:05 PM

#

can't convert, sry

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:05 PM

#

Henceforth, I shall take every Friday off.

unreal orbit Nov 23, 2019, 4:06 PM

#

I need to get me one of them guvment jobs

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 4:06 PM

#

4K hours... 533 days... 106 weeks (5 day week)

#

More than two years

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:06 PM

#

@boreal pewter Did they patch it already?

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:06 PM

#

Yes seems so

#

What is it.. 5.22.35 ?

#

Came yesterday

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:06 PM

#

Must be it.

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:07 PM

#

5.12.35

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:07 PM

#

Don't recall it /asking/ before.

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:07 PM

#

https://hub.docker.com/r/jacobalberty/unifi

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:07 PM

#

Oh. Hrm.

#

Does cloudkey get updates on the same cadence?

#

I guess I should fire it up and see.

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:08 PM

#

🤷

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:08 PM

#

goverment jobs suck at the beginning of your career .... low pay and time to take off ... but after 20 yrs like me now i get over 60+ days a year in sick/personal

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:09 PM

#

Oh Vasiley is Secret Service

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:09 PM

#

no louisiana state police

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 4:09 PM

#

Chasing Jake and Elmo 😛

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:09 PM

#

yep ^^^^

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:10 PM

#

😱

#

I've seen once a series of cops changing country, US vs Germany

#

Was fun 😛

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:14 PM

#

@boreal pewter I can only get 5.11.50-12745-1 presently.

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:14 PM

#

Wow that's looks old

#

I started Unifi 2 days ago so .22

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:14 PM

#

Hrm.

#

I wonder if it wants to patch piecemeal.

#

OR

#

my cloudkey controller has a different cadence.

#

OH

#

firmware update.

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:18 PM

#

just checked i have one too ....5.12.35-12979-1 ...........update?

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:18 PM

#

That looks to be the one that forgives past sins.

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:19 PM

#

Yeah update, it asks for Statistics

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:19 PM

#

then say, "HELL no"

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:19 PM

#

ok getting a backup

#

1st

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 4:20 PM

#

To whomever it may concern, GTFO

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:20 PM

#

You are a better man than I am.

#

Oh, wait.

#

I have been getting monthly backups.

#

wipes single tear

#

Thanks past me.

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:22 PM

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I set it to daily for 30 days

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:22 PM

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i get backups too but i always get one current before upgrading

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:22 PM

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I treat flash like it's 1990

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omg.

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Have you heard about the tesla trashing it's ssd with /var/log

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that's gonna be fun.

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Old but gold

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:23 PM

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You'd think being an SRE would make me less of a cowboy when I come home.

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It's like I am asking for pain.

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Imma back up now because you guys have my mind right.

hearty depot Nov 23, 2019, 4:24 PM

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I would love to have more space on my ER-x
Cant even update the debian packages 🙈

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:30 PM

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ooof.

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Cycled the network,.

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Thanks, @boreal pewter :

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boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 4:33 PM

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Yep 😄

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I guess everyone went updating now

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:51 PM

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yep i had seven devices to upgrade also .....on last two now

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ap's are slow

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to upgrade

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 4:55 PM

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Ha @dull chasm even more than me, I'm only rolling over 44 days this year 😂

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 4:55 PM

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lol

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 4:56 PM

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But I'm also rolling over 73 days of paternity leave though

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Yeah.

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Updatefest.

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My speedtests don't seem to be working, anmore.

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*anymore

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 5:08 PM

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I'm not so happy with my DNS Benchmark

abstract hinge Nov 23, 2019, 5:41 PM

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I'm looking for a couple of door sensors

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anyone got some idea's for a cheap once that also can survive the cold

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 5:41 PM

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#330944238910963714 would be where to start

abstract hinge Nov 23, 2019, 5:42 PM

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I wasnt fully sure if i had to be there

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Do read the channel topics 😉

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For chat around things that aren't Home Assistant related...

abstract hinge Nov 23, 2019, 5:42 PM

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i did its isnt fully HA related as i also want something that doesnt chat with china if you get what i mean

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aka tuya

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Well, you're using it with HA?

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Then... it's related

abstract hinge Nov 23, 2019, 5:43 PM

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good point

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moving over

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Well, that's fun.

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I think someone was using me in a DNS amplification attack.

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 6:06 PM

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sorry

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:07 PM

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FreeIPA was going NUTS.

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 6:07 PM

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i wont do again

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:07 PM

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I guess I should be teh bettar sysop

dull chasm Nov 23, 2019, 6:08 PM

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true but @clever mortar encouraged me too

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:08 PM

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I send out GIGS of shite.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Hey, if sombody's vulnerable they're fair game

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:08 PM

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I was like -- wtf. Why am I sending out gigs of, OOOOOohhhhhhhhh.

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I only need to turn it on when I need new certs.
😠

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Or. . .

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I guess, I could. . .

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use a freakin firewall.

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XD

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U G H

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Let's Encrypt ?

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:09 PM

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yeah.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 6:09 PM

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DNS-01

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Just sayin'

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Fucking cert management sucks, mang.

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DNS-01?

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eh?

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oh, 101?

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like. I should know better?

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Nope

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You can use DNS-01 to get the certs, rather than HTTP-01

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No need for open ports

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It's a little slower, since it uses your DNS provider, and things have to expire

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But... 2 minutes vs 30 seconds

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:10 PM

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I delegate a subdomain to an internal dns server.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Ah

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You (too) are crazy complicated for a home network then 😄

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:11 PM

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I see your schwartz is as big as mine!

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Ever since 1918 went kaput, I was like, FINE. I'LL JUSt RESOLVE.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 6:12 PM

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I've simplified it over time, I don't really need a DMZ, and multiple firewalls, and...

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But, it was fun

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:13 PM

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I have workloads I want to isolate from my home-lan.

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It's a proving grounds.

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I intend to open it up to consume services, and... I really don't want to be pwnt.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Yeah

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That's why I used to have a DMZ and what have you, but I don't do that any more

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:14 PM

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I totally get that.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 6:15 PM

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My home tinkering is now focussed around HA 😛

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:15 PM

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I have spent so much god damned money that, I sometimes sit in a puddle of my own tears and wonder why I didn't just AWS.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 6:15 PM

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🤣

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:15 PM

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Fucking -- my latest escapade is antsle.

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At this point, it's just sunk cost fallacy keeping me going.

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XD

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It IS nice tho, honestly.

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I can take a snapshot and clone a vm in like -- 20 seconds.

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it is stupid fast.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Hmmmm

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:16 PM

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500GB .m2 cache

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Guess I know what I'll be poking at ... another piece of random tech to play with 😄

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:16 PM

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It's....

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getting there.

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Their orchestration is based on gentoo but -- a little bird told me they're tired of supporting people like me and are just going to relent and make a centos build.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Gentoo 🤣

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Right?

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I was like.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Oh... that's a blast from the past

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:17 PM

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DAFUQ -- I need to compile a god damned APC UPS daemon?

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And they were like.

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Yeah, sorry about that.

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Bruh my Network feels like next gen after using FritzBox for since I route

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Fritzbox?

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Do tell.

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I suppose I could fgi

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You've been panning today, Anon.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 6:19 PM

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European brand of DSL/cable routers

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:19 PM

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I always was Fritzbox user, with a single network and a single WIFI and some premade guest mode and shit

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Oh dear god. My network is snappier now that I'm not botting the god damned china.

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Now I have Unifi and dude my network is so crazy, I have 3 different networks 😱

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Oh yeah.

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unifi is bees knees.

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You can do some more advanced stuff in shell.

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:21 PM

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It's fun to find out what my boss at work can actually see then... ponder

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:21 PM

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What's your bandwidth?

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Like wtf why another GB in WhatsApp

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100Mbit VDSL

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Do you have a USG? Well, I assume so -- it sounds like you're doing DPI.

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:22 PM

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USG and a NanoHD

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With controller in Docker on my Deskmini

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:23 PM

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That's how I found out I was amplifying.

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:23 PM

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And a managed Switch sadly not from Unifi in between

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Fucking, DNS was up to 300GB in under an hour.

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:23 PM

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With a FritzBox for PPPoE and Nat

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I have no DNS entry, just "Network Protocols" with over 100GB

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:24 PM

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yeah, that's it.

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:25 PM

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I still would see the hits in Adguard then

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The problem with UDP jokes: I don’t get half of them.

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:26 PM

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@_____________________________________________@

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@______________________________________________________@

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that's more like it.

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^_^

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:27 PM

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An ARP request goes to McDonald’s and asks for a Big MAC

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:28 PM

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If you wanna see an oldschool joke, check out RFC1149.

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oh shit.

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ietf is hanging? wtf.

#

here we go.

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https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149

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                                                            Errata Exist

Network Working Group                                        D. Waitzman
Request for Comments: 1149                                       BBN STC
                                                            1 April 1990


   A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers```

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XD

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gets me every time.

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 6:30 PM

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RFC 7168

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This paper outlines an extension to HTCPCP to allow for pots to provide networked tea-brewing facilities.

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:31 PM

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That's important business.

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XD

boreal pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:32 PM

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I will just need a few weeks to remember these numbers but then, oh then it's in the office like: Hey let's do a RFC7168

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Actually it's then RFC2324 tho

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 6:34 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools'_Day_Request_for_Comments

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Your go to for trolling colleagues

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RFC 2410 is a good one

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 6:35 PM

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https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46647

46647 - (coffeehandler) Joke: HTCPCP not supported (RFC2324)

RESOLVED (darin.moz) in Core - Networking. Last updated 2018-11-07.

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Read this for an increased appreciation for humanity:

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http://save418.com/

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A 15 year old started the movement and saved the error code from the specification of several languages.

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#save418 went viral.

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https://twitter.com/search?q=%23save418&src=typd

#save418 - Twitter Search

The latest Tweets on #save418. Read what people are saying and join the conversation.

#

The internet cried out at once:
https://youtu.be/Ms_WY0s_1XM

YouTube

Mindfuck1974

Jean-Luc Picard - The Line Must Be Drawn Here

▶ Play video

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https://www.businessinsider.com/save-418-saving-the-http-teapot-error-2017-8

Business Insider

Tempest in a teapot: How a 15-year-old rallied programmers to save...

Here's the story of a 15-year-old's quest to save "I'm a teapot," a joke invented in 1998 that Google and Microsoft have both run with.

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meh paywall.

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Ugh. I should not have put fermented cod liver oil in my health shake.

#

Mistakes were made.

light trout Nov 23, 2019, 7:44 PM

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https://ludeeus.dev/ 😄

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 7:50 PM

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@cunning pewter that doesn't sound like a good idea... ever

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 7:51 PM

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I was feeling cheeky. I thought -- ok, this will be a good source of nutrients.

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FUCK. NO.

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You just gotta put that on a tablespoon and deal with it.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 7:51 PM

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RIP

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 7:54 PM

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We Norwegians are used to a tablespoon of cod liver oil a day as kids

light trout Nov 23, 2019, 7:55 PM

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speak for yourself

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I tried it once, not great
took sana sol instead

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Kids these days 😛

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Now presoldered from China
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/253uaYdS @clever mortar

NOK 9.52 10%OFF | CC Debugger CC2531 Zigbee CC2540 Sniffer Wirele...

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 8:29 PM

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Texas Instruments CC1352P-2
https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/supported_adapters.html

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That's soooo last century - you need to keep up 😉

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 8:30 PM

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sad

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 8:33 PM

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Yeah, I'll be doing a migration next year - feedback is that it's night and day

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 8:33 PM

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haha. Take this, hax0rs

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clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Interesting @clever mortar maybe I should order one already for my next attempt at zigbee2mqtt

clever mortar Nov 23, 2019, 8:52 PM

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https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/1429 is worth a read through

#

It's got "a little" long, but the short version is ... it's a lot faster

#

Like, sports car vs pedal car

light trout Nov 23, 2019, 8:53 PM

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harder, faster, better, stronger

clear ferry Nov 23, 2019, 8:53 PM

#

Scoooooooooooter

#

PartyParrot

#

congaparrot

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Lol I selected Norway on the TI site to look at shipping cost, they sent me to a _sorry we are doing maintenance, try again later _ facepalm

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 9:41 PM

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Nov 23 16:35:47 freeipa named-pkcs11[6906]: client @0x7f01bd7a3570 62.133.133.248#32876 (PEACECORPS.GOV): query (cache) 'PEACECORPS.GOV/ANY/IN' denied
Nov 23 16:35:47 freeipa named-pkcs11[6906]: client @0x7f01bd7a3570 62.133.133.248#32876 (PEACECORPS.GOV): query (cache) 'PEACECORPS.GOV/ANY/IN' denied
Nov 23 16:35:47 freeipa named-pkcs11[6906]: client @0x7f01bd7a3570 62.133.133.248#32876 (PEACECORPS.GOV): query (cache) 'PEACECORPS.GOV/ANY/IN' denied
Nov 23 16:35:47 freeipa named-pkcs11[6906]: client @0x7f01bd7a3570 62.133.133.248#32876 (PEACECORPS.GOV): query (cache) 'PEACECORPS.GOV/ANY/IN' denied
Nov 23 16:35:47 freeipa named-pkcs11[6906]: client @0x7f01bd7a3570 62.133.133.248#32876 (PEACECORPS.GOV): query (cache) 'PEACECORPS.GOV/ANY/IN' denied
Nov 23 16:35:47 freeipa named-pkcs11[6906]: client @0x7f01bd7a3570 62.133.133.248#32876 (PEACECORPS.GOV): query (cache) 'PEACECORPS.GOV/ANY/IN' denied
Nov 23 16:35:47 freeipa named-pkcs11[6906]: client @0x7f01bd7a3570 62.133.133.248#32876 (PEACECORPS.GOV): query (cache) 'PEACECORPS.GOV/ANY/IN' denied
Nov 23 16:35:47 freeipa named-pkcs11[6906]: client @0x7f01bd7a3570 5.29.36.80#2641 (PEACECORPS.GOV): query (cache) 'PEACECORPS.GOV/ANY/IN' denied
Nov 23 16:35:47 freeipa named-pkcs11[6906]: client @0x7f01bd7a3570 5.29.36.80#2641 (PEACECORPS.GOV): query (cache) 'PEACECORPS.GOV/ANY/IN' denied```

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That's interesting.

scenic radish Nov 23, 2019, 9:43 PM

#

Hmmmmmmm

cunning pewter Nov 23, 2019, 10:01 PM

#

This DNS attack is wild.

#

📎 unknown.png

#

I gotta figure out a way to automate editing this network group.

#

I've got a throttle set on DNS and I am tailing the log to see the culprits.

#

Someone is after the peacecorps today, apparently.

#

NOT ON My WATCH, PEACECORPS. COGNOMEN HAS YOUR BACK.

balmy inlet Nov 24, 2019, 2:52 AM

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welp the door latch broke, time to buy smart locks 🙂

hushed basalt Nov 24, 2019, 2:53 AM

#

"broke"

#

One screw is slightly loosened

#

It's like me and my tv

balmy inlet Nov 24, 2019, 2:54 AM

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lol, the latch part that goes into the door frame does not open anymore, knob works fine but.... smart locks 😛

hushed basalt Nov 24, 2019, 2:54 AM

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Didn't fit on the vesa bracket. No choice but to buy a new tv

balmy inlet Nov 24, 2019, 2:54 AM

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thats the only option

wet pilot Nov 24, 2019, 6:45 AM

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@hushed basalt have something similar going on with my tv. It sends bad CEC commands to the receiver sometimes. I'm going to replace it because of that

clear ferry Nov 24, 2019, 6:50 AM

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Rofl

wet pilot Nov 24, 2019, 7:04 AM

#

it'll randomly decide that even though its source is set to the receiver that it is the thing that should be playing something and flips the receiver source to TV

#

pain in the ass

#

oh, also i have to manually tell it on every start up to "connect to the receiver" to get it to stop blocking volume controls to everything else

#

samsung is bad at software

hushed basalt Nov 24, 2019, 7:09 AM

#

Hdmi is a crap shoot

#

Cec that is

wet pilot Nov 24, 2019, 7:12 AM

#

mainly because hardware manufacturers fancy themselves as software shops and are bad at it

#

see: Every car's infotainment system

#

Tesla is the exception as they're a software shop that happens to make cars

#

but they get certain car building stuff wrong that no one else does these days (inconsistent panel gaps, sub par paint jobs)

clear ferry Nov 24, 2019, 7:21 AM

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Shitty ride comfort

#

Is my worst problem with the Tesla

clear ferry Nov 24, 2019, 7:42 AM

#

https://i.redd.it/ukiug8yu1j041.jpg

hushed basalt Nov 24, 2019, 7:46 AM

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Lol

#

Reported straight to HR

clear ferry Nov 24, 2019, 7:49 AM

#

Holy heck, hope you Aussie guys are ok

#

https://i.imgur.com/qY3KzpA.jpg

Imgur

hushed basalt Nov 24, 2019, 8:03 AM

#

It's like in Minecraft

#

When you accidently set your wooden building on fire

#

https://youtu.be/LnjSWPxJxNs

YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

clear ferry Nov 24, 2019, 8:16 AM

#

I can proudly say I have never played Minecraft 😛

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 8:32 AM

#

Minecraft and Minecraft Server is what made me become a SysAdmin

clear ferry Nov 24, 2019, 8:35 AM

#

I only know two people IRL who actually play it, a lesbian couple in their 30s the wife knows, with poor financial judgement that bought two gaming laptops to play it with eachother 😂

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 8:35 AM

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Laptops for Minecraft, 20 FPS incoming 😄

light trout Nov 24, 2019, 8:36 AM

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I played the iPad (creative) version many many many many hours🙈

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 8:36 AM

#

SO @clear ferry and @light trout , let's have a RFC2324

light trout Nov 24, 2019, 8:37 AM

#

https://ludeeus.dev

clear ferry Nov 24, 2019, 8:37 AM

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@boreal pewter but they were gaming laptops, with dedicated graphics cards that cost €2200 each

#

Prefer RFC 1149 though

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 8:38 AM

#

Anyone had some luck with using Harmony Hub with Kodi ?

clear ferry Nov 24, 2019, 8:38 AM

#

Kodi 🤢

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 8:38 AM

#

I once bought a cheap used not too old Gaming Laptop as well, after a year I was sick because it was more a hassle to handle it and the periphals I then bought this PC for 2500€

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 8:39 AM

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What's wrong with Kodi? I love it almost as much as my missus 😍

clear ferry Nov 24, 2019, 8:39 AM

#

Plex 4 lyfe

#

I stopped using Kodi before it was called Kodi though

#

I used to flash Xboxes with xbmc in days of yore and sell them chipped

hushed basalt Nov 24, 2019, 8:40 AM

#

My flashed xbox is dying

#

Time to go

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 8:41 AM

#

Oh btw Plex I have to add another 500GB from yesterday

hushed basalt Nov 24, 2019, 8:41 AM

#

Halo reach is better anyways

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 8:41 AM

#

And I got the 15TB+ of Media

clear ferry Nov 24, 2019, 8:42 AM

#

I have a 22TB library, I need to buy more storage soon 😛

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 8:42 AM

#

I have no storage 😛

clear ferry Nov 24, 2019, 8:42 AM

#

Don't trust that flimsy cloud storage angryboi

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 8:43 AM

#

You know when it's gone it's gone, it's just.. legal copied backups

#

On the other hand I know of people storing 180TB there

#

And as well doubt they can just delete it if they feel like it.. personal data and so 😛

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 8:44 AM

#

i really dont like Plex, it just adds an additional layer of complexity to something what should be kept as simple as possible

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 8:44 AM

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Then you haven't understand Plex

#

And I maybe haven't understood Kodi as well. But in Kodi how do you stream your downloaded media from a dedicated server to your home?

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 8:45 AM

#

keeping another server - closed source, i must mention, doing something what can be done perfectly fine with SAMBA

#

ha, actually samba would still need to stay

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 8:46 AM

#

Uh I would decline that all common clients can just stream from Samba?

wet pilot Nov 24, 2019, 8:47 AM

#

upnp maybe

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 8:47 AM

#

From another network?

wet pilot Nov 24, 2019, 8:47 AM

#

yeah, outside you'd be boned

clear ferry Nov 24, 2019, 8:47 AM

#

👆

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 8:48 AM

#

@Anon, OK if you keep your media on dedicated server then sure, Samba doesnt make much sense (have you tried SSHFS though? 😛 )

wet pilot Nov 24, 2019, 8:48 AM

#

user space file systems are gross

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 8:48 AM

#

but that's a very uncommon and extremely expensive solution

wet pilot Nov 24, 2019, 8:48 AM

#

(i say this as a mergerfs user)

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 8:49 AM

#

Honestly: I just gonna doubt that you can stream a 4k 80Mbit movie just fine with a 100Mbit connection with cloud storage with the way you just told

#

ANd that is pretty cheap too

#

I still don't pay more than 50€ per month for a dedicated gigabit server and unlimited cloud storage

wet pilot Nov 24, 2019, 8:51 AM

#

600/y adds up

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 8:51 AM

#

Hetzner has servers with 8.5-10TB of storage costing between 70-350 eur/month

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 8:52 AM

#

Not 70

#

30

#

And I only took 4TB because I have unlimited cloud

#

@wet pilot and considering this as a 'hobbies', I think it is fine to pay 'that much' per month for a hobbies 😛

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 8:53 AM

#

but even if its 50 - for 100 eur you can easily get a server itself. Network connection wont cost you extra, as you already have one. Lets say that electricity will cost you 20 euro/month

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 8:53 AM

#

Well I still have some more tho..

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 8:54 AM

#

so self-hosting not only saves you between 30 and 320 euro/per month, but also offers faster transfers, better quality, basically unlimited space

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 8:54 AM

#

@nocturne aspen theoretically, you forgot that there are not so many places with Gigabit. IN germany - like me - forget it. I do have a small Home Server but I can't host my dedicated stuff here unless I would have Gigabit and even then the peaks would probably annoy me without limiting the server then generally

#

So.. just theoretically

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 8:56 AM

#

sure, im not discussing that you dont need/shouldnt use your solution. As long as youre happy with it. Im just saying that it is a very unusual approach which will be terribly expensive for most of the people

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 8:56 AM

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And btw, your calculation has a small lack. One time fees. YOu have to add the calculation of UNLIMITED storage (so just calculcate HDD worth of 200TB for now) as well as all the other hardware. Then you would need to upgrade it every few years. ANd if it breaks you pay again too.

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 8:56 AM

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if you need a dedicated gigabit server anyway for something else, and for example watch your movies mostly out of house, then its gonna work perfectly fine

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 8:56 AM

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This against the 40€ for server per month - 20€ electricity per month.

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So you have a 20 bucks per month to calculate against 200TB of storage and hardware

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 8:57 AM

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@boreal pewter Its hard to believe that you've got a server with 200TB of online storage for 40 euro

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 8:57 AM

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I have unlimited storage...

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As I said, just calculate with 200TB... unlimited is still more 😛

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 8:59 AM

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is that online storage though ?

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or Amazon EC2

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or something similar

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 9:00 AM

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And as said, without gigabit it's a pain in the ass. I tried that with my 100Mbit when I remade my setup just a few months ago. I was using like 90% of the time 100% bandwidth. Now don't ask me how gaming and streaming worked... it didn't. That's when I outsourced again

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It's cloud storage which is mounted on my home server and the dedicated one. WHile the dedicated one handles down and uploads my home server streams the stuff from the cloud storage and a few friends stream from the dedicated one

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4k works fine

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 9:02 AM

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Is that unlimited storage available for everyone = can i get an unlimited storage, with no bandwidth limits, fast as internal storage, mountable in the file system for 10-50eur/month

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Google Business Cloud, everyone can get it without a business. And the magic Linux word there is then called Rclone to handle the files.
It has limits tho, it's just a question if you're likely to handle them or not

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There at least is no official bandwidth involved. However you can't use that for workloads

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It's just for backups and media kind of

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 9:09 AM

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But isnt rclone only syncing, therefore you still need same amount of storage physically in your server

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 9:10 AM

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My work flow: rtorrent downloads into a mergerfs directory, mergerfs from a host-dir and from the mounted cloud-dir, it downloads onto the host so you need SOME storage. Thus why I took 4TB. Every night my upload jobs upload it to the cloud then where it directly re-appears from within the mounted cloud-dir.

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ANd you can upload 750GB per day, thus I have limited it to 700GB

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 9:11 AM

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What about playing movies

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 9:11 AM

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I stream 4k just fine

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 9:11 AM

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Let's say I want to watch a random movie from my 100TB collection in a train

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 9:12 AM

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I yet only have 15TB and 4k movies with up to 80Mbit work fine with my 100Mbit

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 9:12 AM

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Do I just click play? How the movie is seen by Plex if it's on Google Cloud

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 9:12 AM

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The mergerFS directory

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That is mounted into my rtorrent and Plex Docker Container

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As said when you upload it never disappears due to the mergerfs, it just gets "transfered over the internet from one directory into the other which are fused"

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 9:13 AM

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That mergerfs sounds like an awesome tool, need to read about it more

boreal pewter Nov 24, 2019, 9:14 AM

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If you have done that and think about it theoretically it is actually pretty simple and logic 😛

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While the setup overall is pretty difficult

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Specifically finding the correct settings

nocturne aspen Nov 24, 2019, 9:15 AM

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And you need to trust Google with your data :p