#the-water-cooler | Home Assistant | Page 378

brisk glen Sep 6, 2019, 5:52 AM

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I keep my databases on an internal docker network only for that one service

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Only said service has access to that one db network

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 5:52 AM

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So if your reverse-proxy in your custom bridge network has the IP 172.19.0.5, the gateway is 172.19.0.1 then you will need to bind Netdata to this IP and you need a reverse-proxy conf to bind to that IP

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I can share mine in a sec

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    # the netdata server
    server 172.21.0.1:19999;
    keepalive 64;
}

server {
    listen 443 ssl;

    server_name netdata.thelinux.icu;

    include /config/nginx/ssl.conf;

    location / {
        auth_basic "Restricted";
        auth_basic_user_file /config/nginx/.htpasswdmaggi;
        proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Host $host;
        proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Server $host;
        proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $proxy_add_x_forwarded_for;
        proxy_pass http://netdata;
        proxy_http_version 1.1;
        proxy_pass_request_headers on;
        proxy_set_header Connection "keep-alive";
        proxy_store off;
    }
}```

brisk glen Sep 6, 2019, 5:53 AM

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That’s nginx btw

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 5:53 AM

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I need to lookup my most recent one tho... not on git yet

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Sure the LSIO letsencrypt container uses nginx

clear ferry Sep 6, 2019, 5:54 AM

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spazeye

brisk glen Sep 6, 2019, 5:54 AM

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I love the LSIO let’s encrypt image

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 5:54 AM

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Yup

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That is the most recent one, I think it even got shipped with the container

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    listen 443 ssl;
    listen [::]:443 ssl;

    server_name netdata.*;

    include /config/nginx/ssl.conf;

    client_max_body_size 0;

    # enable for ldap auth, fill in ldap details in ldap.conf
    #include /config/nginx/ldap.conf;

    location / {
        # enable the next two lines for http auth
        auth_basic "Restricted";
        auth_basic_user_file /config/nginx/.htpasswd;

        # enable the next two lines for ldap auth
        #auth_request /auth;
        #error_page 401 =200 /login;

        include /config/nginx/proxy.conf;
#        resolver 127.0.0.11 valid=30s;
#        set $upstream_netdata netdata;
        proxy_pass http://172.20.0.1:19999;
    }
}```

brisk glen Sep 6, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Ah yay, ipv6

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Plus sub domain wildcarding

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@past idol ignore them first one and only use the second one

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Yup

brisk glen Sep 6, 2019, 5:57 AM

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If netdata container is not running, nginx will err out on the first one

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Netdata is not a container

brisk glen Sep 6, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Or if it’s service is not listening on the port

past idol Sep 6, 2019, 5:57 AM

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thanks 🙂

brisk glen Sep 6, 2019, 5:58 AM

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With the second one, nginx won’t care and carry on

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LSIO has taught me a lot of nginx tricks

past idol Sep 6, 2019, 6:01 AM

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that goes into ufw config right?

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 6:01 AM

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No...

brisk glen Sep 6, 2019, 6:02 AM

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That’s a nginx config

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 6:02 AM

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If you have the LSIO letsencrypt container, just do a ls -al /PATH/OF/CONTAINER/nginx/proxy-confs

past idol Sep 6, 2019, 6:04 AM

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ah i see

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 6:05 AM

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If you want such a connection to work then, because it most likely doesn't, you will need to change the UFW forward policy to ACCEPT from the default DENY and you will need a rule to allow everything from and to 172.20.0.1 or whatever your IP is

past idol Sep 6, 2019, 6:09 AM

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kind of confused now

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I installed / started netdata

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according to this

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https://docs.netdata.cloud/packaging/docker/

Install Netdata with Docker - Netdata Documentation

Netdata Documentation

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 6:10 AM

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Well you actually don't install Netdata in Docker...

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That is what I said

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Netdata on HOST

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You can install Monitoring like Check_MK in Docker and put the agent on host, because it is a agent-server connection. But with Netdata, Netdata itself is it's agent and thus it should rather be hosted on host.

past idol Sep 6, 2019, 6:11 AM

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hmm

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 6:12 AM

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For Container to container you need nothing with UFW, only for Container to Host which was my topic

past idol Sep 6, 2019, 6:12 AM

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i see

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so you suggest installing netdata outside docker?

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 6:12 AM

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Sure, it is a monitoring tool

past idol Sep 6, 2019, 6:12 AM

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okay then i will delete it somehow

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should i delete it now from docker?

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 6:13 AM

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docker ps -a, docker stop NAME or ID, docker rm NAME or ID, docker image ls, docker rmi IMAGE_ID

past idol Sep 6, 2019, 6:14 AM

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ty

brisk glen Sep 6, 2019, 6:15 AM

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Finally, a official Apple Music web player

past idol Sep 6, 2019, 6:32 AM

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@brisk glen for real?

brisk glen Sep 6, 2019, 6:32 AM

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Yes, for real

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It’s in beta atm but it’s real

thick dragon Sep 6, 2019, 6:33 AM

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Probably means it's coming to Android/Google Assistant mighty soon too

past idol Sep 6, 2019, 6:34 AM

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i see

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do you like apple music dho?

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somehow it just feels odd

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not as slick and fast as spotify

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okay installing netdata right now

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on the host now

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not in a container 😄

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thanks for the tip

thick dragon Sep 6, 2019, 6:39 AM

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I used to use it, but use Spotify now. I still prefer Apple Music's cleaner album handling, but much prefer Spotify's recommendation engine and integration features (Spotify Connect is great!)

brisk glen Sep 6, 2019, 6:41 AM

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I love the Apple Music lyric lookup feature

past idol Sep 6, 2019, 6:44 AM

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okay so installed it

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it gives me this

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ERROR 405: Cannot download charts index from server: http://192.168.0.16:19999/api/v1/charts

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could someone please explain about this nginx

clever mortar Sep 6, 2019, 6:52 AM

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~lmgtfy nginx

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 6:53 AM

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It has not to do with Nginx

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But as said you should learn All that stuff by reading a lot upfront

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I also had to learn for years

clever mortar Sep 6, 2019, 6:54 AM

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If you're doing it right, you never stop learning

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Learning is a state of mind/attitude

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There's not a month that goes by where I don't learn something new - heck it's rare for a week to go by without me learning something new

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 6:57 AM

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Sure but I would point at base-learning vs additional-learning

clever mortar Sep 6, 2019, 6:58 AM

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Sure, I mean learning is a bit like building a house/bridge/whatever - you need a foundation

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But, after a while, the foundation you built for one thing acts as a template for another - speeding up learning

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Also, you need to work out your learning styles - how you learn most effectively, and try to focus on those methods that work best for you

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With IT though you also have the ability to experiment a lot - breaking things is one of the best learning tools I've found

past idol Sep 6, 2019, 7:08 AM

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okay i will google for the solution of this error

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 7:09 AM

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I remember when I was about 17 or 18 not giving a fuck and reading that shit 16 hours a day for weeks and months

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Trying to understand the world

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Well a solution of the error is not helping you understanding. You are entering the servers-ip:19999 and assume it is Nginx

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IMO there is huge lack of basic understanding, networking, ports

modest sentinel Sep 6, 2019, 7:22 AM

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my Zooz z-wave switches arrived today. This weekend starts my foray into not electrocuting myself

clear ferry Sep 6, 2019, 8:00 AM

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I still remember lugging this badboy around with me at vocational school, I didn't even go to an it school 😛

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https://www.amazon.com/Red-Hat-Linux-7-Bible/dp/076454778X

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It might even have been an earlier one, because it was in 2000 ThinkEyes

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 8:06 AM

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Didn't you know that all already in the 2000's when you were 50 years old?

modest sentinel Sep 6, 2019, 8:13 AM

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i remember buying a slackware book in the 90s

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but not really understanding it other than I got to install linux which was something different from dos

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and i fucked up my pc and had to reformat 🙂

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 9:25 AM

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@hearty depot comes back after half a months not talking and already writes a book as the first message

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Yeah you can't hide dude

hearty depot Sep 6, 2019, 9:25 AM

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I could if i wanted to 😉

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my PC is still broken btw - didnt decided on a mainboard yet

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 9:26 AM

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🤦

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Well it's 1155... really just take something "that works". Some Ebay thing or checking the list of serverbuilds.net

hearty depot Sep 6, 2019, 9:27 AM

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the thing is the maaasive cooler - not many mainboards are layed out for this size

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 9:27 AM

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I never in my life heard that the MAINBOARD decides about the COOLER

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I consider that bullshit

hearty depot Sep 6, 2019, 9:29 AM

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Well I think it was a noctuna (?)
amazoned me throu the compability list

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 9:30 AM

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Well if you bind yourself to that then you're probably alone with that really.
Not that it would be a good time to get rid off 1155 for maybe 200 bucks or so and build a nice AM4 system

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I gonna lunch

hearty depot Sep 6, 2019, 9:30 AM

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to the message I tryed to phrase for the last 10 minutes
just playing with bash, json api and JQ.
is it possible to use curl, pipe it into JQ and reuse the previus curl again

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🤔 will maybe do this really

clear ferry Sep 6, 2019, 9:33 AM

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Pff pcs, for newbs, go for a thin client 😛

hearty depot Sep 6, 2019, 9:34 AM

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Gaming on a thin client?

clear ferry Sep 6, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Just do remote graphics via a dedicated VM with a graphics card 😛

ocean mirage Sep 6, 2019, 9:37 AM

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I have considered it before but there is an inherent loss of performance

hearty depot Sep 6, 2019, 9:37 AM

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😛 wife would kill me if I would set up a proper server somwhere
cant even get a pfsense box

ocean mirage Sep 6, 2019, 9:37 AM

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I don't know how much that drop is, but eh

clear ferry Sep 6, 2019, 9:38 AM

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Not that much, I implement a few solutions per year, usually oil and gas that does geodata or military that does map data or simulation, the difference between a local one and remote is usually less than 5%

hearty depot Sep 6, 2019, 9:39 AM

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also I dont have proper cableing - had to go for dlan adapters (2k but the wireing of the flat sucks)

clear ferry Sep 6, 2019, 9:39 AM

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Buy a house 😛

hearty depot Sep 6, 2019, 9:39 AM

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Good luck in Vienna

clear ferry Sep 6, 2019, 9:40 AM

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Move to lugano!

hearty depot Sep 6, 2019, 9:40 AM

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around your place?

clear ferry Sep 6, 2019, 9:40 AM

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No wait, that's the wrong country

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dogekek

hearty depot Sep 6, 2019, 9:40 AM

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almost the same - speaking funny there too

clear ferry Sep 6, 2019, 9:41 AM

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Agreed

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I was there for a conference in 2003, nice place

hearty depot Sep 6, 2019, 9:42 AM

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the whole cuntry is beautyful - visited a lot in suizze

strange vapor Sep 6, 2019, 10:00 AM

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https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/05/circleci_security_incident/

Today's data whoopsie is brought to you by CircleCI: Source safe, ...

SF-based continuous delivery outfit says soz

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 10:16 AM

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There are good cloud gaming offers, like the best "Shadow" 30 a month. But I tested it and considered not usable with my Internet and then build a PC for 2k

clear ferry Sep 6, 2019, 10:20 AM

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My current desktop was built in 2009 😛

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I'm still looking for a cheap triple head thin client replacement

ocean mirage Sep 6, 2019, 10:23 AM

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Damn mine is for 2014 and people act like thats old

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 10:24 AM

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It is, my 2012 i7 2600k was thrown out 2017 and I used then a Gaming laptop with i7 6000 something. But then decided to go for desktop again

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I almost wanted to upgrade my Ryzen 2700x to at least an 3700x tho after just a year

nocturne depot Sep 6, 2019, 10:24 AM

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Are not all upgrading every 2 years like phones?

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 10:25 AM

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And my RTX2080 will be thrown out too as soon there comes a new Nvidia Range

ocean mirage Sep 6, 2019, 10:25 AM

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My phone is from 2015 lol

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I used to upgrade some hardware generation to generation but I have very little need

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it was just a hobby I guess

clear ferry Sep 6, 2019, 10:26 AM

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I stopped pc gaming in 2012 anyway 😛

ocean mirage Sep 6, 2019, 10:26 AM

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I almost never make my 4770k and 980 sweat, and if I do they still do the job

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 10:29 AM

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Yeah if you ain't do real gaming then sure, no need to get a gaming machine

hushed basalt Sep 6, 2019, 10:29 AM

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📎 img_20190906_182036.jpg

ocean mirage Sep 6, 2019, 10:29 AM

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I game m8, been playing some Dirt Rally

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nice telco, just arrive today?

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 10:29 AM

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Read again what I said 😉

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"Real gaming"

clear ferry Sep 6, 2019, 10:30 AM

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Elastomania?!?

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 10:30 AM

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Competitive WQHD at least 144+hz gaming with high-ultra graphics

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Of recent class AAA Games

ocean mirage Sep 6, 2019, 10:30 AM

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Thats a dumb af definition

clear ferry Sep 6, 2019, 10:30 AM

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Goat simulator?!

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 10:31 AM

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YES

clear ferry Sep 6, 2019, 10:31 AM

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🐐

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 10:31 AM

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Watching goats at 165hz is just epic

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😄

orchid rose Sep 6, 2019, 10:35 AM

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I last looked at a possible update in 2017 for my i5 2500k and didn't think it was worth it, but I did upgrade my 1600MHz ram to 2133 then. The new ones still offer very little for a casual gamer so this has been pretty excellent value for money at just above 200€ at the time (2011/12) iirc

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 10:39 AM

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Well for a recent system you have to upgrade RAM and such again tho

orchid rose Sep 6, 2019, 10:39 AM

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that's the problem, it becomes very expensive for very small gains

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 10:40 AM

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Very small gains, right you have paid attention to benchmarks?

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Like the i5 is already beaten easily by 3x as much power for consumers? 😄

orchid rose Sep 6, 2019, 10:41 AM

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it's hard to see full comparisons for this old system, but it was maybe 20-30% fps increase in games if I wanted to swap to a modern AMD cpu

tawny pebble Sep 6, 2019, 12:09 PM

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So i'm using these images as "proof" for a aliexpress refund..

📎 sad_pika.jpg

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yep.

📎 sad_sponge.jpg

midnight adder Sep 6, 2019, 12:28 PM

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Any ideas about HA using dqlite or rqlite as SQL backend?

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 12:29 PM

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Why not MySQL?

midnight adder Sep 6, 2019, 12:29 PM

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no need to setup external service

clever mortar Sep 6, 2019, 12:30 PM

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https://www.home-assistant.io/components/recorder/ - needs to be supported by SQLAlchemy

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As long as it is, use whatever you want

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https://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/13/dialects/index.html

midnight adder Sep 6, 2019, 12:31 PM

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they are sqlite forks with build in clustering and failure tolerance

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 12:32 PM

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Not that sqlite is a recommended DB overall tho... but idk any of both

midnight adder Sep 6, 2019, 12:32 PM

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I think sqlalchemy can use them

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yeah, for sure external SQL service will be better but this could provide really easy high availability for Raspberry pi users that largely use sqlite :/

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 12:35 PM

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MySQL is just as easy to implement as any automation or component

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I just can't assure that pi is fine with it's performance usage

clever mortar Sep 6, 2019, 12:42 PM

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SQLite was chosen because it's available on all platforms - dqlite or rqlite would need to be available without having to patch SQLAlchemy, or install other software

pure vine Sep 6, 2019, 12:59 PM

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also setting up SQL servers is annoying

brisk glen Sep 6, 2019, 12:59 PM

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You can game on a Mac mini with an EGPU :p

pure vine Sep 6, 2019, 12:59 PM

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especily for new people

brisk glen Sep 6, 2019, 12:59 PM

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@pure vine not if you use docker :p

pure vine Sep 6, 2019, 12:59 PM

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true

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 1:00 PM

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Setting up SQL servers is so damn easy

pure vine Sep 6, 2019, 1:00 PM

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When your used to it

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for someone who might just be trying home assistant with very little linux experince it might not be as easy as it is for us

brisk glen Sep 6, 2019, 1:01 PM

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You are going to learn that dependency hell is a thing

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 1:01 PM

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They should not setup a system then and rather read tons of infos upfront 🤷

brisk glen Sep 6, 2019, 1:02 PM

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This app needs this version of this database.. that app needs the older version of the same database software

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_looks at UniFi _

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Thus my path to containerization

clever mortar Sep 6, 2019, 1:06 PM

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Whole point of the defaults is to make it easy for people to get started @boreal pewter - next you know you'll be suggesting folks should be compiling their own OS 😉

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 1:09 PM

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And Kernel with some OC

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Forking docker

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And build every Container theirself

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All dependencies have to be compiled from source too

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System Updates have to be programmed too

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Isnt that the DIY everyone Talks about?

clever mortar Sep 6, 2019, 1:13 PM

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You forgot to code your own compiler so you can code your own OS

boreal pewter Sep 6, 2019, 1:13 PM

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Yeah all the current languages are too mainstream too, I invented "Anon" as a better Java

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How is your TinkerOS doing?

clever mortar Sep 6, 2019, 1:18 PM

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One bit at a time

brisk glen Sep 6, 2019, 1:31 PM

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TempleOS

strange vapor Sep 6, 2019, 1:52 PM

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@hushed basalt https://thedriven.io/2018/12/14/diesel-charge-evs-remote-locations-greener-than-you-think/

The Driven

Using diesel to charge EVs in the outback is greener than you thin...

A group of EV drivers test out using an EV charger powered by a diesel generator as a solution for outback roadhouses, and the results are promising.

hushed basalt Sep 6, 2019, 2:04 PM

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Ha

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Tesla owners who "don't want to do any more damage to the environment"

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And buy $100000 new exotic luxury vehicles

pure vine Sep 6, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Doesnt "being greener" depend on what the grid in the nation is powered off

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so in Aus with its coal dependency that might be true, but in many nations in europe it is not

unreal orbit Sep 6, 2019, 2:14 PM

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That's something a lot of people don't take into consideration when "going green" by buying an electric car

hushed basalt Sep 6, 2019, 2:28 PM

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I mean I love the idea of electric cars

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But I hate rich yuppies virtue signalling

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It's like those people who build 'eco houses' for like $1mil construction, for their holiday homes,

strange vapor Sep 6, 2019, 2:29 PM

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I seriously looked at a Tesla when I upgraded last, but I regularly drive to the far end of the country and it's just within range at normal speeds, not so much at motorway speeds.

hushed basalt Sep 6, 2019, 2:29 PM

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Because it has recycled tasmanian oak floorboards, it's eco

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I'd happily get an electric car but it shouldn't be more expensive

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I'd love no car though. Bring on the autonomous car pooling.

orchid rose Sep 6, 2019, 3:34 PM

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I wish there was a #politics channel here, would be a welcomed contrast to the young gamer discords I'm on as well

midnight adder Sep 6, 2019, 3:46 PM

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welp, I think I'm gonna order another four yeelights

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I did the math and I'm out more moneys if I go IKEA

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only downside is that yeelight doesn't do any gu10 lamps

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oh well I'll just replace that standing lamp

unreal orbit Sep 6, 2019, 3:48 PM

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@orchid rose that would be a good way to make otherwise cordial people hate each other. You can't separate usernames from prejudice once you know how someone thinks. It would affect the dynamic of the entire server

orchid rose Sep 6, 2019, 3:49 PM

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I get it, and completely understand why a server like this doesn't have one, but it would still be an interesting comparison

strange vapor Sep 6, 2019, 3:50 PM

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https://blogs.dropbox.com/tech/2018/09/how-we-rolled-out-one-of-the-largest-python-3-migrations-ever/

Dropbox Tech Blog

How we rolled out one of the largest Python 3 migrations ever

midnight adder Sep 6, 2019, 4:00 PM

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@orchid rose yeelights are only about $13 per bulb tho

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$15 if you want RGB

orchid rose Sep 6, 2019, 4:02 PM

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💸

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(I installed one yesterday)

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 4:03 PM

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@orchid rose you can talk politics here if you want for the low, low price of one ban

orchid rose Sep 6, 2019, 4:03 PM

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I'm more interested in reading other opinions tbh. It's refreshing in a society that's split in bubbles

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 4:05 PM

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yeah i get what you mean

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i find it interesting too even though i have no particular interest in politics

unreal orbit Sep 6, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Even being aware that we're split into bubbles doesn't stop me from occasionally trying to pop someone else's bubble. Sometimes it's difficult not to get consumed by the outrage that we are force-fed

orchid rose Sep 6, 2019, 4:10 PM

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It's not as if this chat is a random collection of people either, so it's sort of a bubble in itself, but it would be interesting to see what people here think. But as I said, I understand, and even agree, that an official channel like this should stay out of politics

clever mortar Sep 6, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Given how many wars have started over politics... yeah... 😱

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There are Discord servers where such things can be discussed, but those tend to be closed groups, to avoid random people getting bent out of shape because somebody has a different view than them

orchid rose Sep 6, 2019, 4:14 PM

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But there's no real point in joining those, which is the issue

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anyway, that's close enough to politics as I think we should go here 🙂

unreal orbit Sep 6, 2019, 4:16 PM

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It kinda sucks that I feel like I'm either in an echo chamber or surrounded by idiots 99% of the time. It's so rare that I have a conversation that actually makes me think about my position in a meaningful way

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And sorry if it seems like I'm badgering the point of "this is why we don't do this here" @orchid rose , I'm really not. I'm just commiserating with you on the state of world politics

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 4:18 PM

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stop badgering

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jk

past idol Sep 6, 2019, 4:23 PM

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hello guys

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what is up

orchid rose Sep 6, 2019, 4:24 PM

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no no, I totally get it Villhellm and I feel the same. It's a real frustration for me, who saw the Internet as something that would bring people together

unreal orbit Sep 6, 2019, 4:24 PM

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I'm really hoping we can get back to that point

clever mortar Sep 6, 2019, 4:25 PM

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Good luck - we'd need a lot more chlorine in the gene pool 😛

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 4:26 PM

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we need a new plague

unreal orbit Sep 6, 2019, 4:27 PM

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It will come eventually, even if we create it ourselves by making too many people

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 4:28 PM

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i can think of another reason why a new plague might happen

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but i can't discuss it because it's probably considered politics

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and i don't want @clever mortar to bring the banhammer down 😉

unreal orbit Sep 6, 2019, 4:30 PM

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That happens very rarely. You'll be warned first

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 4:30 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/power-haydenchristensen-starwars-revengeofthesith-annakinskywalker-gif-5266504

Tenor

You underestimate my power - Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith

▶ Play video

unreal orbit Sep 6, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Unless he's having a particularly bad day 😉

clever mortar Sep 6, 2019, 4:30 PM

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That only happens on days ending in y

orchid rose Sep 6, 2019, 4:31 PM

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not to worry then, it's Perjantai

unreal orbit Sep 6, 2019, 4:31 PM

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For me it's days that end in y and don't start with s

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 4:34 PM

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{% if 1 == 1 %}
Ban
{% else %}
Ban
{% endif %}

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templating is one of my favorite parts of HASS

orchid rose Sep 6, 2019, 4:47 PM

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doubt

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 4:52 PM

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no rly. restarting after creating a new template sensor is annoying but i like piecing everything together

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i work in excel every day which i also enjoy which might be part of the reason

unreal orbit Sep 6, 2019, 4:52 PM

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There's a custom component that allows you to create template sensors without restarting

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 4:53 PM

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custom components are like the rule 34 of home assistant, i swear

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 5:39 PM

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having trouble finding it, mind directing me to it @unreal orbit?

unreal orbit Sep 6, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Do you use HACS?

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https://github.com/custom-components/templatesensor
https://github.com/dlashua/templatebinarysensor

there's one for regular sensor and one for binary sensor

GitHub

custom-components/templatesensor

Add template sensors from the UI. Contribute to custom-components/templatesensor development by creating an account on GitHub.

GitHub

dlashua/templatebinarysensor

Add template binary_sensors from the UI. Contribute to dlashua/templatebinarysensor development by creating an account on GitHub.

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If you search HACS for template you'll see both of them under integrations

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 5:59 PM

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ah yeah I do... perfect, thanks

dusty gorge Sep 6, 2019, 6:29 PM

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I have asked this before but had wzye light bulbs and only wanted to replace one switch. Here is my setup https://imgur.com/a/GunciDn.

Switch 1 turns on 1 Hue Light Bulb Switch 2 turns on 4 Hue Light Bulbs Switch 3 turns on 1 Hue Light Bulb

I am using google home assistant with lights. I also have a conbee 2.

Can some recommend a good replacement switch? Has to look nice per wife. I want to replace all 3 switch

Imgur

clever mortar Sep 6, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Because all the world uses the same type of light switches, and where you are doesn't matter ... 😛

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I'm guessing you're living in the USA or Canada, from the looks of that image?

dusty gorge Sep 6, 2019, 6:34 PM

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YES USA

clever mortar Sep 6, 2019, 6:34 PM

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And you needed to shout to be heard too 🤣

dusty gorge Sep 6, 2019, 6:35 PM

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lol

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proud

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wifi switch will have a delay?

unreal orbit Sep 6, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Why would wifi switches have a delay?

clever mortar Sep 6, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Well, it will have a delay

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And it will be higher than one directly wired, because of processing time

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Whether you'll actually notice or be able to measure it...

dusty gorge Sep 6, 2019, 6:37 PM

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so do you recommend wifi switch?

clever mortar Sep 6, 2019, 6:37 PM

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I recommend... using what works for you

unreal orbit Sep 6, 2019, 6:38 PM

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I'm a fan of the tplink hs200 switches. They look the best out of any wifi switches I have seen

dusty gorge Sep 6, 2019, 6:42 PM

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@clever mortar iI am not sure about my needs since I am very new to this

azure frost Sep 6, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Anyone know a good way to remove Ip's from logs?

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 6:43 PM

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USA USA USA

clever mortar Sep 6, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Well, I don't live in the USA @dusty gorge - no point in asking me what's a good choice

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sed @azure frost 🤣

azure frost Sep 6, 2019, 6:43 PM

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That removes them?

clever mortar Sep 6, 2019, 6:44 PM

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sed is a stream editor and can remove/replace anything you can write logic for

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It's not a magic solution though

azure frost Sep 6, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Aw ok I might do a simple program to do it if I have the time

amber bramble Sep 6, 2019, 6:45 PM

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caseta > wifi switch >= zwave switch > zigbee switch

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 6:46 PM

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My Philips Hue switches would like to have a word with you

dusty gorge Sep 6, 2019, 6:48 PM

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@amber bramble caseta uses what protocol?

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and which wifi swtich would you recommend?

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Clear Connect RF, which is a proprietary protocol. Can't find the frequency, but based on what I read on the protocol, it's probably 433 MHz

unreal orbit Sep 6, 2019, 6:54 PM

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caseta uses a proprietary frequency, which is why it's "the most reliable ™ "

amber bramble Sep 6, 2019, 6:54 PM

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yeah its proprietary but rock solid lol

unreal orbit Sep 6, 2019, 6:55 PM

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It also has limitations. iirc the caseta dimmers lack the ability to transition brightness

past idol Sep 6, 2019, 7:02 PM

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any of u using protonmail?

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 7:05 PM

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@unreal orbit so it just snaps from one brightness to another instantly? like 100% to 50% without fading?

late gate Sep 6, 2019, 7:09 PM

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wow nice way to force a dmca https://github.com/alexdresko/HSPI/issues/111

GitHub

Copyright notice from HomeSeer: Please take this repo down · Issu...

Hello, This content is currently copyrighted material from HomeSeer which has been redistributed using an open-source MIT license which it was not originally distributed with. This material is not ...

dusty gorge Sep 6, 2019, 7:09 PM

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which model do I need from Kasa https://www.kasasmart.com/us/products/smart-switches based on this image? https://imgur.com/a/GunciDn

Smart Switches – Kasa Smart

Imgur

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 7:12 PM

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depends if you want the ability to dim or have three-way switches

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all of them will fit in the box based on the image, but which model to get depends on what you want/need

dusty gorge Sep 6, 2019, 7:12 PM

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what is a 3 way switch?

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 7:13 PM

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a set of two switches that control the same fixture

dusty gorge Sep 6, 2019, 7:13 PM

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nope

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dont have that

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 7:13 PM

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for example, a switch at the top and bottom of the stairs that control the same light

dusty gorge Sep 6, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Switch 1 turns on 1 Hue Light Bulb Switch 2 turns on 4 Hue Light Bulbs Switch 3 turns on 1 Hue Light Bulb

unreal orbit Sep 6, 2019, 7:13 PM

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@scenic radish that's my recollection, yes

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 7:13 PM

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ok then if you just want on/off go with the HS200, if you want dimming ability go with HS220

dusty gorge Sep 6, 2019, 7:14 PM

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also my ground wire is looped?

late gate Sep 6, 2019, 7:41 PM

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dang it. a day of debugging and a cable from the esp fell off

scenic radish Sep 6, 2019, 7:50 PM

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@late gate looks like they came to a resolution

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@dusty gorge what do you mean? you also don't need a ground wire to install it. use it if you have one, but if not no big. you do need a neutral wire though

bronze rock Sep 6, 2019, 9:18 PM

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is it bad if my two year old twins yell "Alexa! Volume 10!" now?

unreal orbit Sep 6, 2019, 9:37 PM

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As long as they steer clear of "Alexa, activate emergency self destruct" I think you're good

hushed basalt Sep 7, 2019, 4:23 AM

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"Alexa, buy a playstation 4"

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"Alexa, confirm"

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 5:30 AM

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hey

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anyone using vps with his email?

brisk glen Sep 7, 2019, 5:39 AM

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@past idol meening?

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hosting your own email server?

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 5:46 AM

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technically what i want to do if it is possible to create more " aliases" kind of

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i have an email address

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yet i do not want to create more

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but want to create addresses like thrash@example.hu

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or newsletters@example.hu

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sorry for not being possible to fully explain it

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hope this hels

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help*

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 5:55 AM

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I'm installing home assistant in a freenas jail, but I see I need to edit the installation guide page a lot, there is a lot of missing information 😛

thorny glacier Sep 7, 2019, 6:07 AM

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What's the state of the art in indoor positioning? Can I achieve <1m accuracy with a hardware budget of $200?

storm summit Sep 7, 2019, 6:08 AM

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I've never heard of anything that can do that.

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I think this might say it does it, but I don't think it ever worked. https://www.xandem.com

XANDEM | Innovative security, senior care, energy

XANDEM’s unique sensor technology detects and locates the presence of people for innovative security, senior care, energy, and more.

brisk glen Sep 7, 2019, 6:13 AM

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@past idol yes it is

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I use mailcow for self hosted email servers on Linux

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 6:15 AM

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i see

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some guy used cpanel

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somehow

brisk glen Sep 7, 2019, 6:17 AM

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Yes, Cpanel also has email

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It also costs money to run on your personal vps

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I also happen to have a mailcow docker cluster :p

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 6:22 AM

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what is that?" mailcow docker cluster "

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do you know any other service like cpnel,

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Cpanel?

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maybe cheaper

eager trench Sep 7, 2019, 7:07 AM

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If you have hosting cPanel is included anyway

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I have my email on cPanel

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And you can set up forwarding etc easily for different addresses at the same domain

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 7:50 AM

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ah i see

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which one do you have?

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which offer

eager trench Sep 7, 2019, 8:07 AM

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I have a VPS with Inmotion hosting

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But any cPanel hosting will give you that

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 8:14 AM

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is there a limit?

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of how many you can create?

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or how this works?

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u using this?

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https://www.inmotionhosting.com/vps

VPS Hosting: Fast, Secure, SSD VPS | InMotion Hosting

We offer fast, secure, high performance Managed VPS Hosting and Cloud VPS solutions for all your VPS hosting needs.

eager trench Sep 7, 2019, 8:44 AM

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Unlimited mailboxes/aliases as well

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 8:49 AM

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this one?

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https://www.inmotionhosting.com/vps-hosting

VPS Hosting: Fast, Secure, SSD VPS | InMotion Hosting

We offer fast, secure, high performance Managed VPS Hosting and Cloud VPS solutions for all your VPS hosting needs.

light trout Sep 7, 2019, 9:31 AM

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Jeeze that expencive :O
Get yourself a VPS with Scaleway and host your own mailserver instead

eager trench Sep 7, 2019, 9:39 AM

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Pretty much ANY cPanel will give you the same email functionality.

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It's not rocket science

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:01 AM

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thanks guys

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@light trout wonder how would that work

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:01 AM

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Magic

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And getting yourself blacklisted as a spam relay in your first week

light trout Sep 7, 2019, 10:02 AM

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If you have the time for it, it's the "cheap" way.
I did not, and got myself a https://gsuite.google.com/ subscription instead 😛

boreal pewter Sep 7, 2019, 10:02 AM

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And the server 20 times hacked with a few bills of maybe just a few thousands or a few 10 thousands

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:03 AM

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Yeah, I used to run my own mail servers, but then switched to GSuite and haven't looked back

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It's great for learning, but doing it right is time consuming

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:05 AM

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hmm

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Oh, and whatever you do, don't make your first experience of running a mail server be an Internet facing one. That's very much like learning to juggle by starting with running chainsaws

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:05 AM

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maybe then I will try to find a way to manage it within protonmail

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@clever mortar haha

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it is not worth the hassle I think

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i just want to separate my email

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:05 AM

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The odds of you becoming a spam relay, or otherwise hacked, within the first day are as near 100% as makes no difference

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And given your current level of knowledge, about 200% 😛

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:06 AM

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so that I can register with trash@example.com

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etc.

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:06 AM

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Any decent mail host can do that

light trout Sep 7, 2019, 10:06 AM

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even gmail has that

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:06 AM

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my problem with protonmail aliases

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:06 AM

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Even better, find one that supports plus addressing

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you+random@example.com

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:06 AM

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is that it is needed to use alias+username@example.com

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:06 AM

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No need to register anything

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:06 AM

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i think protonmail do

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:06 AM

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Unless your mail host is incompetent...

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:07 AM

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but it is traceable kind of

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I do not want my real username in it

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i think I can do unlimited aliases with this rule

light trout Sep 7, 2019, 10:07 AM

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1: Don't do shady shit that require an siloed account
2: See 1

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:07 AM

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Also, if you've registered the domain then it's traceable

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If you want things not to be linked to you, sign up for random webmail accounts

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This is Internet 101 level shit

light trout Sep 7, 2019, 10:08 AM

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I'm just in level 12

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:09 AM

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you do not even need to do shady shit

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i mean even when you use the toilet you close the door

light trout Sep 7, 2019, 10:10 AM

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That's what Im saying, no need to do that 😉

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:10 AM

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is taking a dump a shady thing? 😄

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:10 AM

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So sign up for different webmail accounts

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If you're using the same domain, it's all obviously connected

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:10 AM

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yeah maybe you right and that is easier

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:10 AM

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That's like assuming because you put different names on the letters going to the same address that nobody could link them

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:11 AM

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yeah that is right

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the things is sometimes they figure out the original

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and start spanning

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spamming

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even with alias+username

light trout Sep 7, 2019, 10:11 AM

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Get a spam filter

boreal pewter Sep 7, 2019, 10:11 AM

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Just because you put the head in the sand and you can see noone doesn't mean noone can see you

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:11 AM

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😄

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:12 AM

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Plus addressing has been around forever, it's not exactly hard to work out the non-plus address 🤦

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:12 AM

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thank you guys then I will create a separate and use aliases

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:12 AM

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Sure, you can do that

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Or you can read what we really said and do that instead 😉

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You need to find a Discord server, forum, or other place that will help you learn the basics of all this stuff

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One actually dedicated to helping people go from zero to not-zero

light trout Sep 7, 2019, 10:13 AM

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I probably sign up for 3+ new sites daily, and my filtered inbox is currently quite clean

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:14 AM

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I've got a "number" of webmail addresses, and none of the big players have problems with their spam filtering

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Some of the smaller ones struggle with new approaches, but 🤷

light trout Sep 7, 2019, 10:15 AM

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I forward all my mails to one master account, if one is "comprimised" I just close down that "branch" 😛

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:19 AM

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forwarding is good

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i am n ot sure i understand u tinkerer

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"thank you guys then I will create a separate and use aliases"

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I mean you suggested: "So sign up for different webmail accounts"

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and after: "Or you can read what we really said and do that instead 😉"

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:24 AM

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You want to avoid people knowing your accounts are linked

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Aliases generally only exist for domains you own, or so that they're trivially linked to the main account (like plus addressing)

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So, generally speaking, aliases are the equivalent of putting on a pair of glasses and assuming that's enough for nobody to recognise you

light trout Sep 7, 2019, 10:25 AM

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It works in movies

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:26 AM

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I'm pretty sure that @past idol is no Superman or Wonder Woman...

boreal pewter Sep 7, 2019, 10:26 AM

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I tipp for Wonder Woman

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:26 AM

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yeah I get that

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but if I create on account apart from my main and use aliases with that

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it is enough to remain anonym

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so i can create aliases

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because I do not use my real name in the address

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:27 AM

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Depends

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It all depends on who you're trying to remain anonymous from

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If it's random folks you're emailing, then maybe - depends on your webhost

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:28 AM

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maybe I am overthinking

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:28 AM

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If it's forum admins, they know your IP address

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:28 AM

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the thing is that right now my email is full of newsletters

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and annyoing emails

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 10:28 AM

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Spam filter

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This is not hard

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:28 AM

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and I am not even registering for bad services

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i mean

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no porn site and torrent sites

light trout Sep 7, 2019, 10:29 AM

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1: use a library computer to create the account.
2: never use that account on your own computer
3: never refrence that account around your house/computrer/cellphone
4: don't tell anyone what you are going to do
5: get a tinnfoil hat
6: move to a remote location with no internet services for miles
7: 🤷

past idol Sep 7, 2019, 10:33 AM

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😄

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get the point

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and also technically I have more realistic "problems"

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like getting a nas to backup finally my stuff

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 10:38 AM

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only two errors to go before I have HASS on a freenas jail 🤣

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  General Errors: 
    - Platform error media_player.roku - Requirements for roku not found: ['roku==3.1'].
    - Component error: stream - Requirements for stream not found: ['av==6.1.2'].

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 10:57 AM

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interesting, in linux where pkg-config works it is version 0.29, but in freebsd where it does not it is 1.6.1

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I suspect they are different tools

brisk glen Sep 7, 2019, 11:11 AM

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There is a reason I mentioned mailcow, it has it all for an email server setup

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But I would rather use google or ms.... if my clients let me x.x

valid halo Sep 7, 2019, 11:34 AM

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I answered my first tech support emails yesterday

hearty depot Sep 7, 2019, 11:57 AM

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Congrats - I aso just got my first job in IT

light trout Sep 7, 2019, 12:05 PM

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Get out while you still can

boreal pewter Sep 7, 2019, 12:06 PM

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Or climb the ladder as fast as possible

brisk glen Sep 7, 2019, 12:07 PM

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Or get a fluffy ass job

boreal pewter Sep 7, 2019, 12:09 PM

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Well there are no fluffy ass jobs in germany I assume. Depending on what we mean. At least not well payed. While I'm pretty happy in my newest company it's the best paid yet and I do find time to read about new stuff or personal things and watch some youtube but if it's needed I sometimes cant for days so I'm cool with it

tawny pebble Sep 7, 2019, 12:24 PM

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@valid halo and @hearty depot Congrats guys (:

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Being able to work from home / self study whenever I want, being able to work overtime when I want and choose and pick what products I want to work with at any point in time is the great benefits I have at my job 😛

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On top of having 2x pay of most people I know, which is nice when the wife is still studying 🤷

hearty depot Sep 7, 2019, 2:10 PM

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it shure is 🤣 What is your job btw? (besides beeing an fat basstard (your words))
Looking forward to the development options they offer

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 2:19 PM

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I have another job than being a fat bastard? ThinkEyes

light trout Sep 7, 2019, 2:19 PM

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I think that is a breach of your contract

hearty depot Sep 7, 2019, 2:20 PM

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@light trout how you installed your haste service btw?

light trout Sep 7, 2019, 2:21 PM

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it that still running?

hearty depot Sep 7, 2019, 2:21 PM

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dont know 🤣

light trout Sep 7, 2019, 2:21 PM

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docker, but I think that host is loooong gone

hearty depot Sep 7, 2019, 2:22 PM

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just wanted to pastebin something but the microsoft server just broke down again - remember wich image?

light trout Sep 7, 2019, 2:22 PM

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nope, I think I made my own actually

hearty depot Sep 7, 2019, 2:23 PM

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🤣 good one - I come clear with the usage - but never created an image

light trout Sep 7, 2019, 2:23 PM

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Not that hard, it well dockumented

hearty depot Sep 7, 2019, 2:25 PM

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but but.. I have to watch money heist 😛

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 2:25 PM

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@hearty depot but to be honest, I'm a technical consultant, working with mostly any product, but preferably networking, virtualization, Unix and storage 😛

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I hate backup products

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Unless it's 3000 slot tape libraries

boreal pewter Sep 7, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Any known big company?

light trout Sep 7, 2019, 2:30 PM

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it's pretty huge

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 2:37 PM

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That's what she said dogekek

hearty depot Sep 7, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Woha

📎 20190907-160311-HammerHerbert-id3405359.jpg

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 2:44 PM

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People who have racks like that will never be a DC admin, because no DC looks like that in the world 😛

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@boreal pewter we used to be 370.000 employees, now we are only 60.000 after getting rid of three internal departments 🤣

boreal pewter Sep 7, 2019, 2:51 PM

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I hope it atleast is good paid @hearty depot 😄 My current very small company also pays the best yet

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 3:02 PM

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When I started after being an apprentice in 2006 they paid me 25000€, then I moved to Ireland and made 23000€ but only paying 7% tax compared to 28 in Norway, then I moved back and got 35000€ basepay in 2007

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And it's gone up a bit since then 😛

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Comparing your salary over time is both depressing and not 😄

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 3:07 PM

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Yes, when I worked as a paper boy when I was 9 I earned €250 per month, though only working Saturdays

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:07 PM

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It was the point at which I realised I was paying more in tax, than I'd earned in my first full time job I realised how scary inflation was 😛

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 3:08 PM

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When I worked as a paper boy when I was 20 I earned €25000 per year, but only working 4 hours every night 😛

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:08 PM

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My first full time job paid about £11K, but it was "some time" ago

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 3:08 PM

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Norwegian tax is, fair imo

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Compared to many other countries

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But Irish tax was just ridonkulous

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You could get tax leaniency by having a driveway

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And weird shit like that

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I think I paid 31% last year ThonkEyes and I earn double of what I did when I paid 28%

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:11 PM

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Damn

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 3:11 PM

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Unlike the Danish guys who go to 50% quite early on

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:12 PM

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You have to be earning over £150K to get hit by the 45% band in the UK, which is the highest band

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Mind you, it's 40% from £50K

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 3:14 PM

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I think we have one band that triggers at £45k and one that triggers at £70k

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But you only pay extra tax on what is above the band

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Same here

boreal pewter Sep 7, 2019, 3:18 PM

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@clear ferry Ok considering costs here that is nothing. I wouldn't go to work for that money, that's just about what I get when I'm workless

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 3:18 PM

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ThinkEyes

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:19 PM

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@bronze rock For file systems, a safe default is ext4. For data storage then btrfs is worth a look

last plaza Sep 7, 2019, 3:19 PM

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@clever mortar wrong channel 😉

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:19 PM

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There's no #linux channel 😛

last plaza Sep 7, 2019, 3:19 PM

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lol

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lets create one!

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:20 PM

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I was wondering actually if we need a channel for such things

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Given how often that, and non-HA Docker related questions, come up

boreal pewter Sep 7, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Yeah

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 3:20 PM

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I just said that the other day 😛

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And where is my #fatbastard ThonkEyes

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 3:21 PM

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yeah, I really dunno how to ask what I want to do in a way that googlefu assists me

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:21 PM

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Well, we can help there, probably

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 3:21 PM

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I think I want to symlink my current /home dir which contains my volume info for pihole & HA

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:22 PM

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You can just mount the new drive/partition on /home

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 3:22 PM

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and i want that symlink to point to my SSD so the files are there instead, but i dunno if that's dumb or not

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:22 PM

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I'd go with mounting in the right place 😉

boreal pewter Sep 7, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Symlinking is dumb, indeed

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Pointing the symlink won't move the files 😛

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Symlinking has uses, but for something like this, no

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 3:22 PM

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and this is why I wanted a discussion 🙂

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:22 PM

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dumb is ... needlessly harsh

boreal pewter Sep 7, 2019, 3:23 PM

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Well a discussion would imply 2 point of views

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 3:23 PM

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Germans are needlessly harsh!

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dogekek

boreal pewter Sep 7, 2019, 3:23 PM

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Thank you @clear ferry ❤

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 3:23 PM

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well, I DO use symlinking on my PC but it's to force a folder that's part of a unique filestructure to be stored in dropbox for cross pc file sharing of save files/config files, etc.

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which, imo, is what they're for

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:24 PM

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The process of cloning/moving the files is easy enough, but you'll need to do it when not logged in as a user with a home directory in /home

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Create another user with a home folder outside of /home and give it sudo access, for example

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 3:25 PM

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ah

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i was thinking of root, but i dont think that I can even log in as root on my pi currently

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:26 PM

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You can fix that, but you shouldn't

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 3:26 PM

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I don't need that pain to occur via SSH

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:26 PM

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(I do, but I'm crazy and understand the risks)

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 3:26 PM

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Rule#1, don't use root for stuff 😛

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 3:26 PM

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I don't, so I don't 🙂

boreal pewter Sep 7, 2019, 3:26 PM

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With a bit of trust I would just become root and do this process quick and dirty

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:27 PM

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If you don't already have the UUID of the partition on the SSD, you'll need that, and https://linuxhint.com/uuid_storage_devices_linux/ will help

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Like some Unix systems I know that are completely isolated that have 2 character root passwords, and root via ssh, it pains me, but it is the easiest in that situation 😛

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Isolated, is less risky

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Until it's suddenly not because some idiot connected the network

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 3:28 PM

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When it is airgapped with 2km mountain I would say it is pretty safe shh

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Tell that to the Iranian's and their centrifuges 😉

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Mmmm stuxnet for breakfast

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 3:29 PM

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lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Aug  7 13:08 638417fb-7220-47b1-883c-e6fee02f51ac -> ../../mmcblk0p2
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Aug  7 13:09 8646-30FA -> ../../sda1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Aug  7 13:09 B6BB-0F0E -> ../../mmcblk0p1
``` ?

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:30 PM

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The process is something like:

Mount the SSD somewhere free (like /mnt/ssd)
Clone the current /home to the new folder
Unmount the SSD
Rename the old /home and create a new folder there
Update /etc/fstab to mount the SSD on /home and mount it there
Check it all works

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 3:30 PM

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I'm more worried about the public facing servers I've seen that still run WindowsXP and haven't been patched for 10 years 😛

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:30 PM

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And in your case, looks to be sda2

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 3:30 PM

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is there a way to see the empty size?

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:30 PM

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parted

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And, I've seen systems with pre-release OSs running Internet facing services, what's some wormable OS's here or thare

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 3:32 PM

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when i ran sudo parted it's just hanging....

dusty vector Sep 7, 2019, 3:32 PM

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Good evening everyone

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i was wondering if you could point me in the right direction. Im wondering who it is done to create a device that uses a sensor (switch) together with a bulb to create another enitity where the switch is the default on/off of the bulb..

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is that done via templating, customize?

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is it even possible?

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:34 PM

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@bronze rock Try sudo parted sda (from memory)

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@dusty vector Wrong channel - please read the channel topics 😉 You want #330944238910963714

dusty vector Sep 7, 2019, 3:35 PM

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ok, thanks

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 3:35 PM

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man parted will tell you how to use it

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You can also check with dmesg - dmesg|grep sda

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 3:48 PM

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it seems like anything I try to run with root privledges is hanging =/

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 3:49 PM

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Is your filesystem full ?

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 3:50 PM

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that's, in part, what I was trying to check on, lol

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 3:50 PM

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df -h

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 3:52 PM

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i rebooted the pi, or tried to, and it's waiting for a stop job is running for Session C13 of user pi ...?

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lol 😦

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 3:53 PM

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If the filesystem is full you might be dropped to single user and have to delete off some stuff 😛

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 3:53 PM

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it's done with that now, probably shouldn't have rebooted lol

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i had my HA log config set to info and that might have been a poor idea

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oh hurray it's rebooting

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22G free so... 🙂

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 4:00 PM

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dogekek

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:03 PM

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does df only show mounted drives?

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 4:03 PM

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Yes

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:05 PM

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I really don't have a decent understanding of how linux filesystems work. :dogekek:

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aww why doesn't that work for me?

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settles down with a soda and man pages

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what's the # mean in command(#) in a man page?

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seems like the # is always 8, but?

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 4:09 PM

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https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3586/what-do-the-numbers-in-a-man-page-mean

Unix & Linux Stack Exchange

What do the numbers in a man page mean?

So, for example, when I type man ls I see LS(1). But if I type man apachectl I see APACHECTL(8) and if I type man cd I end up with cd(n).

I'm wondering what the significance of the numbers in the

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:10 PM

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can you read an entire section of man pages together then?

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like, I should probably sit down and read section 8

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Old but still relevant for most I guess, I read it 20 years ago 😂

📎 15678726857599137643623636828872.jpg

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 4:13 PM

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man -k is useful, as is man man 😛

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 4:13 PM

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There is a ninth edition released in 2015 atleast

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:13 PM

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about 20yrs ago was when I took a *NIX class in college, but my 2 friends who were already well versed in linux were my groupmates, so they handled the linux portions of the class and I just did the coding

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lol

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I wish I had made them teach me, now

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 4:13 PM

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Regretting that now 😛 😛 😛

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@clever mortar but what about man woman waitwhat

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 4:16 PM

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man -k woman

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Haha, I didn't know that

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beardmogi

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 4:17 PM

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Some things are just accidentally funny 😄

midnight adder Sep 7, 2019, 4:19 PM

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im about to order four yeelights

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do i go with regular white or rgb

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:19 PM

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mount: /mnt/ssd: special device 3923c609-b3a5-4ad6-a38c-9c4138aa76e2 does not exist.```
oh I see now, I needed -U in there

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What are you planning to use them for @midnight adder

midnight adder Sep 7, 2019, 4:19 PM

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for lighting

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i mean, they're lamps

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:19 PM

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:guffaw:

midnight adder Sep 7, 2019, 4:20 PM

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three will go in the living room, one in the bedroom

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i currently have one rgb yeelight but i don't really ever use any of the color stuff

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:20 PM

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I like our multicolor hue led strips since I can use them for red/dark blue light if needed for low light vision

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but beyond that, I don't see much use for us, other than making the kids happy.

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 4:20 PM

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I like RGB-CCT - or just CCT

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I won't buy single colour any more

brisk glen Sep 7, 2019, 4:21 PM

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Rgb all the way

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:21 PM

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I could see myself using certain lamps for notifications with colors nowadays lol

brisk glen Sep 7, 2019, 4:22 PM

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You need the flashing red and blue lights for the invaders

midnight adder Sep 7, 2019, 4:24 PM

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i'm gonna go with rgb

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 4:24 PM

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I was very happy with the yeelight strip

midnight adder Sep 7, 2019, 4:24 PM

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it's a dollar in difference

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:24 PM

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you'll find reasons to enjoy the $1 more

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 4:24 PM

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Use it behind the bed headboards

midnight adder Sep 7, 2019, 4:24 PM

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yep

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i hate that I have a yeelight somewhere that went missing when i moved apartments in december

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 4:25 PM

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I've got a couple of the RGB strips, and being able to change the "white" from cold to warm is rather nice

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:25 PM

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/dev/sda2 ext4 1.9G 1.3G 565M 69% /mnt/ssd It's a 120GB drive... where'd the other space go?

midnight adder Sep 7, 2019, 4:26 PM

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@bronze rock what brand

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 4:26 PM

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dmesg|grep sda

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There's also sda1 on there, maybe that's where the rest is 😉

clear ferry Sep 7, 2019, 4:27 PM

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fdisk -l /dev/sda

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 4:28 PM

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That's old school

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:28 PM

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it's a kingston drive

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 4:29 PM

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parted is the new hotness

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:29 PM

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looks like sda1 and sda2 are the same drive:

[    1.482523] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 4096-byte physical blocks
[    1.484906] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
[    1.487120] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 53 00 00 08
[    1.487477] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Disabling FUA
[    1.489677] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
[    1.492611] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Optimal transfer size 33553920 bytes not a multiple of physical block size (4096 bytes)
[    1.497137]  sda: sda1 sda2
[    1.501970] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
[   34.411592] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#14 uas_eh_abort_handler 0 uas-tag 3 inflight: CMD IN
[   34.411609] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#14 CDB: opcode=0x28 28 00 00 3f 1f 88 00 00 68 00
[ 1662.591597] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#10 uas_eh_abort_handler 0 uas-tag 3 inflight: CMD IN
[ 1662.591614] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#10 CDB: opcode=0x28 28 00 00 3f 1f 88 00 00 68 00
[ 1663.152413] EXT4-fs (sda2): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)```

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Have a closer look at sda1 😉

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:32 PM

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/dev/sda1 vfat 43M 22M 21M 51% /mnt/ssd

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I need to delete the partitions and recreate from what I can tell, but... lol Thanks for helping me do this everyone, I, obviously, have no idea what I'm doing

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 4:33 PM

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Yeah, parted is the tool for that

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Error: Could not stat device sda - No such file or directory.```

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 4:34 PM

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man parted

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Maybe it needs /dev/sda 🤷

midnight adder Sep 7, 2019, 4:34 PM

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alright, ordered the yeelights

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finally gonna get rid of the tuya smartplugs

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:35 PM

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/dev/sda worked. Danke Sir.

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well that terminal crashed, =/

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 4:38 PM

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tmux or screen are handy for ensuring that if your connection goes you don't lose everything

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:38 PM

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2nd terminal is hung within parted as is the actual computer 😦

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 4:39 PM

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sudo dmesg|tail

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:40 PM

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[ 2578.431170] [<c05c8210>] (blkdev_issue_flush) from [<c03f0628>] (blkdev_fsync+0x48/0x58)
[ 2578.431190] [<c03f0628>] (blkdev_fsync) from [<c03e7164>] (vfs_fsync_range+0x68/0x98)
[ 2578.431207] [<c03e7164>] (vfs_fsync_range) from [<c03e721c>] (do_fsync+0x4c/0x74)
[ 2578.431224] [<c03e721c>] (do_fsync) from [<c03e7528>] (sys_fsync+0x1c/0x20)
[ 2578.431242] [<c03e7528>] (sys_fsync) from [<c0201000>] (ret_fast_syscall+0x0/0x28)
[ 2578.431253] Exception stack(0xda995fa8 to 0xda995ff0)
[ 2578.431267] 5fa0:                   00000002 011e7608 00000004 00001261 0000006c 00000000
[ 2578.431281] 5fc0: 00000002 011e7608 00000004 00000076 00000100 b6f7be94 b6f77984 00000000
[ 2578.431292] 5fe0: b6f8da08 bede1428 b6f517e8 b6e3f8a4```

midnight adder Sep 7, 2019, 4:40 PM

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I'm currently waiting on three sonoff TSR588's to arrive as well, no clue what I'm gonna do with them

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 4:40 PM

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sudo dmesg|grep -c mmcblk @bronze rock

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🤞

midnight adder Sep 7, 2019, 4:40 PM

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do I have to flash these before using them or do they work out of the box with hass?

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:40 PM

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4

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 4:40 PM

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#diy-archived would know 😉

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Ok, so probably your SD isn't dead

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dmesg|tail -n 50

velvet horizonBOT Sep 7, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Please use https://www.hastebin.com/ or https://paste.ubuntu.com/ to share code or logs.

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:41 PM

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https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WngKq9JKJn/

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Hmmm, that's not good. I'd reboot

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:44 PM

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the drive works, at least, it did the last time it was in my pc to ensure the usb->sata adapter i bought worked

boreal pewter Sep 7, 2019, 4:44 PM

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📎 15678746813921549023833338963078.jpg

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:45 PM

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alexa does that joke too, which is awesome

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"poof, you're a sandwich"

boreal pewter Sep 7, 2019, 4:45 PM

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lol haven't heard that yet

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 4:45 PM

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if you say alexa, sudo make me a sandwich she just says ok

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at least, she used to, now she just said ok you're a sandwich 😦

midnight adder Sep 7, 2019, 4:50 PM

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just tried it with google

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it does a guitar sound and says "I must warn you that it's not a reversable spell, but i'll try"

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then again with sudo it goes "But I just made you a sandwich. Does that mean sandwiches can talk?"

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replying with "yes" gives "this day keeps getting better"

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by the way shoutout if you flex your smart home shit whenever you have family over

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my grandma now wants me to smarten up her house because she's tired of having to go through the house every night to turn lights off

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 5:46 PM

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haha nice. No one has desired anything other than our all-on, all-off type functions

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huzzah. There's simply unpartitioned space on this drive for whatever reason https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h8TcqXKwcb/

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Well, you can add another partition, or blow it all away

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 5:50 PM

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there's nothing on there that's useful so I'll just make it one giant one, though, the idea strikes me that I don't need 120gb for HA+pihole

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but, whatevs, I'm not using it for anything else either. Can you resize partitions after they're in use?

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Increase, yes, decrease, not really

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That's like asking if you can undrink the beer

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 5:51 PM

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ok, maybe I'll make a couple 8gb ones. Well, you can shrink windows partitions, sometimes.

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Just watch, you can only expand if there's unused space at the end of the partition

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If you create 2 x 8 GB then you can only expand the second if they're back to back

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 6:01 PM

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I can be taught /dev/sda1 ext4 110G 61M 104G 1% /mnt/ssd

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 6:02 PM

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👍

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 6:03 PM

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now, should I use cp -a or rsync?

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to clone everything?

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 6:03 PM

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rsync or find and cpio

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cd /home
find . -depth -print|cpio -pdm /mnt/ssd

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Run that as root

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 6:05 PM

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do you have to use sudo on both sides of the pipe?

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yes

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mover is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. haha, oops

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 6:16 PM

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It's ok, the Internet Police will be by shortly

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 6:18 PM

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hehe, how do i edit /etc/fstab to mount /dev/sda1 to /home?

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I used nano to open the file and balked, and closed it 😂

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 6:18 PM

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sudo nano /etc/fstab

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As I said though, use the UUID

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That won't ever change, the path might

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UUID=98e58ab5-dead-beef-cafe-29d311c0ee3e    /home    ext4    defaults,noatime,nofail    0    0

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Replace the UUID there with the actual one

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Oh, and if you haven't already set up backups, now would be a really good time to fix that

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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I backup to github, but, I'd like to backup everything

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right now I'd lose all my secrets and etc.

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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That's backing up your config, not everything else 🙂

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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true 🙂

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how do I test the fstabchanges?

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reboot?

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sudo mount -fav 😄

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now, to see if HA comes back up

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what's the preferred backup method?

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... what's the easiest to setup for a n00b 🙂

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 6:28 PM

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Depends on how you installed HA

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 6:29 PM

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docker

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 6:29 PM

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On Hass.io you've got some add-ons like the Dropbox or Google Drive sync ones. On non-Docker installs you've got whatever you want (I use rsnapshot for local backups and rclone for online backups), including Duplicati and more

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On Docker, I have no idea...

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#449717345808547842 may know

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 6:30 PM

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I can make image copies

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I have a few

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which should be effectively a backup, I think 🙂

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Ultimately you only need to backup the volumes and host though

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You don't need to back up the container images

bronze rock Sep 7, 2019, 6:30 PM

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I do only when rolling to a new version in case I need to revert for some reason

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I'm a little surprised that moving stuff like I did didn't messup github integration, which I'm happy about 🙂

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So... now that that's done. I'm not sure it's any faster, but, an SSD should last longer than an SD card at any rate. 🙂

midnight adder Sep 7, 2019, 8:44 PM

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anyone here own a xiaomi kettle

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i'm considering buying one

brisk glen Sep 7, 2019, 9:00 PM

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@clever mortar use a nas drive as your volumes

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Works great :p

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Or... don't use Docker at all 😛

brisk glen Sep 7, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Never! I’ll never go back to dependency hell!!!

clever mortar Sep 7, 2019, 9:04 PM

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🤣

valid halo Sep 7, 2019, 11:49 PM

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A smart kettle

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god damn

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they make IOT anything

storm summit Sep 8, 2019, 12:19 AM

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@midnight adder hmm... its not hass enabled sooooo .... 👎

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 12:20 AM

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That reminds me

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my Z-wave door sensor fell down

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I'm gonna have to use extreme measures

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takes out hammer

storm summit Sep 8, 2019, 12:20 AM

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epoxy?

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🔨

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 12:28 AM

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Nah. I'm probably gonna get some more 3M sticky stuff

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I would feel remiss about epoxying something to my door

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 1:35 AM

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@valid halo surface prep is everything

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Alcohol or similar to clean the surface

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Remove dust, clean with something like alcohol etc, then let it air dry

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You'll have to make sure you completely remove the old sticky on both sides too,

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Then reapply with firrrrmmm steady pressure. The longer you hold it the better

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Dokay.

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Thanks fam

brisk glen Sep 8, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Then it falls off in one week

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Then it should never come off until you demolish the house

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 1:43 AM

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It lasted around 3 months

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 1:44 AM

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Adhesives are very powerful, but they're only as good as surface prep

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Sticking to dirt/grease, or not enough application pressure, or load applied in the first 24 hours etc

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 1:44 AM

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This reminds me of when I was making a cosplay gear

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I was trying to stick PVC to metal and the first two attempts failed.

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then I cleaned it really good. and used rough grit sand paper on both items to give the epoxy spots to dig into and it really worked good.

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 1:45 AM

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Yeah abrasion is really important if it's a surface you don't mind scuffing the underlying surface

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Obviously not for something you might want to remove cleanly

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 1:46 AM

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I need to make sure I can remove it cleanly

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Abrasion increases surface area. Just make sure you clean off the dust that you make sanding

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 1:46 AM

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I don't need new owners in five years asking "Whats this sensor on the door?"

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I aint giving them free tech support

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Gonna rip out all my smart stuff when we move out

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 1:46 AM

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Yeah use those removeable 3m things, but clean the surface

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But if they're paint is applied badly it could still take the paint off

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Most paint is applied like garbage too

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 1:48 AM

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Tru fax

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I remember I painted up a water gun with spray paint for that prop I mentioned above. It was awful

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paint scratched off/chipped off so easy

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but it worked out. Made it look really used up

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Surface prep is key for everything. Welding, soldering, painting, gluing, etc

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Oh man

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My attempts at soldering have NOT gone well

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Not sure if it's my technique or my solder

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and then there was that time I burnt out my USB interface for my Sonoff

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I saw an orange glow and thought "Huh that's odd"

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then poof the magic smoke that powers electronics came out

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 1:50 AM

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Lol

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What sort of soldering iron are you using

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 1:51 AM

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https://www.amazon.com/Weller-WLC100-40-Watt-Soldering-Station/dp/B000AS28UC/ref=asc_df_B000AS28UC/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=198103947043&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15743148994554539254&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9004000&hvtargid=aud-801738734305:pla-448477212877&psc=1 this basic cheap one

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 1:51 AM

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I find out one of the most important things for soldering is comfort

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Having the work piece at the right angle, secured,

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Especially wiring, good holding solutions make a huge difference

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That iron probably gives you grief too

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Yeah

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All I've got is the worst holding solution known to man and aliens

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HELPING HANDS

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 1:53 AM

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TS-100 is really cheap and will be 1000 times better

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Get yourself a cheap ball vyse from the hardware store

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 1:53 AM

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Okay.

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TS-100 and Ball vyse

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I also find myself wanting a magnifier as with 20/50 vision. It's a bit iffy to see the tiny wires and solder targets on a sonoff basic

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 1:55 AM

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Something like this is a great foundation

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 1:55 AM

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Huh.

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I'd beeen planning on picking up this monster

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https://www.amazon.com/Soldering-Non-slip-Aluminum-GEYOTAR-soldering/dp/B07F71HWNG/ref=asc_df_B07F71HWNG/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312128028232&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6787956875299356866&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9004000&hvtargid=aud-801738734305:pla-597718550844&psc=1

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 1:56 AM

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Magnifying lamp is great too

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Those style arms are great

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But not for holding the piece

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Use a couple of them for holding wires or bits to the main piece

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 1:57 AM

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Hmmm.

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 1:58 AM

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The vyses are super easy to position as well as attach the piece

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With those arms youll spend half a minute every time attaching and positioning the piece

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 1:58 AM

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I see

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 1:58 AM

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And when you press on it with your soldering iron it will move

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Which will destroy your joints

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 1:58 AM

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so the vyse would gently grasp the Son off and the wiggly waggly arms hold the wires or what have you i'm connecting.

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 2:04 AM

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Yep

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You probably only need two or three arms

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Attached to a central point.

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After you get that stuff sorted, solder and flux helps a lot

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I use multicore brand solder. Never use lead free

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 2:06 AM

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I should probably get new solder

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My current stuff is years old

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Age shouldn't matter

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Hmmm

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It could be my iron then

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Quality is important though

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And a roll of solder can last you like 10 years

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 2:07 AM

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It's probably bad quality. It was in a kit from DeVry University back when I was taking an electronic engineering course there

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The soldering iron I had from it was busted. THough that's probably from it sitting in a box in a basement for six years

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 2:09 AM

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https://www.amazon.com/MULTICORE-LOCTITE-3096525-M-SOLDER-WIRE/dp/B00DKF13JY

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You want flux in a syringe too

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 2:10 AM

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I'm gonna need a bigger tool box

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 2:11 AM

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You don't need much to be honest

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Vyse, arms, solder, flux, flush cutting pliers, needle nose pliers, good soldering iron

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That's what I use like 98% of the time

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Oh and a solder sucker

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 2:12 AM

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I see

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👌

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Thanks for the tips

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 2:17 AM

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No worries

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Soldering is one of those things that's quite enjoyable with the right setup

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And a frustrating nightmare without

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You can expand from there, but those are all the things I consider minimum viable

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 2:55 AM

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Truth is there's a huge lack of resources for learning good soldering tips and tricks and setups

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I struggled to learn, since I didn't have anyone to learn from

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So many bad videos on YouTube

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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL926EC0F1F93C1837

YouTube

Basic Soldering Lessons 1 - 9 - YouTube

These 9 videos will educate you on the basic soldering knowledge and practices used today.

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@valid halo watch this

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It's olllllldddddd but it's very very good

storm summit Sep 8, 2019, 4:23 AM

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@hushed basalt hahah. you weren't kidding. that is some old footage.

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my parents worked for westing house and taught me. i wonder if they watched these. lol

hushed basalt Sep 8, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Probably!

severe lake Sep 8, 2019, 7:52 AM

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what's up folks, anyone working on anything cool tonight?

light trout Sep 8, 2019, 7:54 AM

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My morning coffee

severe lake Sep 8, 2019, 7:55 AM

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gotta have that! 💩

prime pelican Sep 8, 2019, 7:57 AM

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You know what would be great? To have somewhere to share and get inspired by Lovelace setups. Do we have a place like that in the community?

light trout Sep 8, 2019, 7:57 AM

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The forum?

prime pelican Sep 8, 2019, 7:57 AM

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Oh... 😅

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 7:58 AM

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It even has a Share your projects section

prime pelican Sep 8, 2019, 7:58 AM

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Sweet 👍

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 10:13 AM

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Oh snap

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I'm moving my first VM to docker

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Mark the date

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Haha, found a picture I made 12 years ago

📎 labben.JPG

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Shit, I forgot what I looked like with hair

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 11:06 AM

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I didn't understand why my scp took forever then I realized that I had a symlink that pointed into the same directory 😛

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Cleaning up 15 years of servers, you find stupid stuff like that 😛

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Like wtf, I had a iso of vista laying around on this webserver too

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And two winxp Isos ThonkEyes

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No wait, there is a third too

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 11:24 AM

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Just in case the first two suffered from bit rot?

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 11:25 AM

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Probably

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I actually had forgotten that windows Isos used to be under a gig 😛

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 12:56 PM

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I am very angry

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My basement lost power

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No tv

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No internet

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How the fuck am I meant to live

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 1:09 PM

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Shit, my first docker move worked

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mindblown

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@dull chasm pop the champagne

strange vapor Sep 8, 2019, 1:09 PM

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You think it has worked, it's quietly plotting how to catch you out at the most inopportune moment!

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 1:10 PM

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I imagine it is, because I don't think I did it properly even though it works ThonkEyes

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Now if I can manage to create a mariadb docker...

strange vapor Sep 8, 2019, 1:21 PM

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MariaDB? How 90s!! You need some nice NoSQL love!

dull chasm Sep 8, 2019, 1:30 PM

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@clear ferry good luck ... i am playing hell with a nut ups docker container now

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 1:37 PM

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@strange vapor watch it or I'll go for ms access

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Oh lawd

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I managed to get mariadb running and moved the database from old instance, and I use the docker internal network mindblown

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 1:50 PM

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I'm taking a college course in Microsoft Access

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 1:50 PM

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@valid halo how is life in 1994?

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My mother did one in access in 1994 dogekek

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 1:51 PM

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Bad

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My internet is dead

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 1:51 PM

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But you are here spazeye

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 1:59 PM

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LTE signal

dull chasm Sep 8, 2019, 2:34 PM

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@clear ferry it all your fault ...now i have 4 home assistants running with about 10 docker container running on two diff host machines

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 2:41 PM

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dogekek dogekek dogekek dogekek dogekek

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I'm the new @light trout blame me for all shh

hearty depot Sep 8, 2019, 2:47 PM

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vocal thorn Sep 8, 2019, 2:59 PM

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I am reading TCP original RFC and ports once again confused me: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc793

So let's think about client A is doing ssh to server B. In that case, I was thinking client A is using a random available port and server B is using port 22.

For some reason, I thought using port 22 for client A might be confusing. After reading this, I realized that my assumption is not correct: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/inbound-vs-outbound-ports-619172/

Inbound vs Outbound ports?

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Let's change the example a littly bit like client A --> server B ---> server C

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now port 22 on server B might be used for inbound traffic from A or outbound traffic for C

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Maybe they are completely irrelevant (since I do not know implementation of these ports very well)

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still I feel like I did not ask any question

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Let's say client A is doing SSH on server J and server K and using port 22 for both (destination IPs are different of course)

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What is the advantage of using port for outbound traffic? (more granular security control maybe?

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 3:29 PM

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The client port is, generally speaking, completely irrelevant

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It provides "security through obscurity" at best (which is to say, no actual security, but can reduce the noise)

boreal pewter Sep 8, 2019, 3:36 PM

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@clear ferry isn't that like 40 years ago?

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Or 12!

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Shit, two databases and two web servers consolidated to docker

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I'm going wild

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Maybe I should... Do HA dogekek

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 3:47 PM

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🙀

dull chasm Sep 8, 2019, 4:20 PM

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@clear ferry yep its cool until it doesnt work ....and the docker guys go 🤷

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 4:22 PM

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I just did ha dogekek

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And it works dogekek

vocal thorn Sep 8, 2019, 4:23 PM

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I always thought docker is cool until checking this post: https://thehftguy.com/2016/11/01/docker-in-production-an-history-of-failure/

My experience with docker is relatively new (almost 1 year) so maybe they figure out a lot of things during that period but anyone here has strong objection to this post?

The HFT Guy

thehftguy

Docker in Production: A History of Failure

Introduction My first encounter with docker goes back to early 2015. Docker was experimented with to find out whether it could benefit us. At the time it wasn’t possible to run a container [i…

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Three year old post 🤔

vocal thorn Sep 8, 2019, 4:23 PM

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pretty old

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Just a tiny bit

vocal thorn Sep 8, 2019, 4:24 PM

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found the article while playing with traccar

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https://github.com/traccar/traccar/issues/4048

GitHub

Use Docker instead of regular installer · Issue #4048 · traccar/...

I have been thinking of ways to migrate to newer versions of Java and simplifying/unifying the whole installation and packaging of Traccar. Docker seems like a good modern option. We won't ...

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so people still give reference ...

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 4:26 PM

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Well, yeah, people still refer to things written hundreds of years ago too. Doesn't mean they're right (or wrong).

vocal thorn Sep 8, 2019, 4:27 PM

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yeah, just wondering if anyone has any annoying experience with docker

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 4:27 PM

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Lots of people probably do, just look in #449717345808547842 😛

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But, if you take the time to learn it and do it right it doesn't seem that bad

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 4:28 PM

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Except it took me a while to get it xi2

vocal thorn Sep 8, 2019, 4:28 PM

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well I think they most of the time do not know what to do or how to do.

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 4:28 PM

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(I'm still a Docker newbie)

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 4:28 PM

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But now that I do I love it

vocal thorn Sep 8, 2019, 4:28 PM

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exactly ...

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learning curve can be non-trivial at the beginning

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 4:28 PM

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That's true of most new things

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 4:28 PM

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It took me atleast 4 days now to figure it out

light trout Sep 8, 2019, 4:29 PM

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yaml anyone? 😛

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 4:29 PM

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Longer than stuff usually does dogekek

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 4:29 PM

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YAML 😄

vocal thorn Sep 8, 2019, 4:29 PM

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I is quite a long post but I recommend you to read in order to feel pain of the author 🙂

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Eh, I don't see the point

vocal thorn Sep 8, 2019, 4:30 PM

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I may nominate it for best in drama if there were Oscars for blog posts ...

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 4:30 PM

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I usually learn new products on the flight to install it at a customer, so four days is long MonkaSadRain

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 4:30 PM

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So somebody had a hard time, oh well

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That far ahead?

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 4:31 PM

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Or the taxi ride from the airport to customer

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Sometimes 😛

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 4:31 PM

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I had a SAN guy who was clearly learning while trying to help me trouble shoot problems. I kicked them out when it became clear I knew more than they did...

vocal thorn Sep 8, 2019, 4:31 PM

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🙂

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 4:32 PM

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It's quite awkward to go to a customer to do the first install in Europe, and you have hardly a beta of the installation docs avaliable

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But I am a fast learner 😛

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 4:32 PM

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If somebody is up front about that, I don't mind

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It's those that lie I get annoyed at

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 4:33 PM

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Did one like that two weeks ago, customer asked how many i had done

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Said it was the first in the country, let's see what happens dogekek

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 4:34 PM

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I had that with a colleague. Turned up to do some stuff with a client, and my colleague asked how many I'd done.

Including this one... one

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He just about fell out of his chair 😄

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I then pointed out I'd been doing very similar things for years, and that while the details were slightly different, it's not exactly new to me

light trout Sep 8, 2019, 4:35 PM

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https://youtu.be/lXO0ylemz68

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 4:37 PM

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🤣

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 4:37 PM

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It is true, servers are servers

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Networking is networking

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Yup

clear ferry Sep 8, 2019, 4:37 PM

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The commands are just different

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Even then, often not that different

light trout Sep 8, 2019, 4:38 PM

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unless you add docker to the mix 😛

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 4:38 PM

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First time somebody sat me in front of an AIX box it took me an extra 30 seconds to find my way around

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Eh, not really any worse than VMs

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It's "just" another type of abstraction

brisk glen Sep 8, 2019, 4:41 PM

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@light trout even then, docker is not that different

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Just automated containers

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I guess it’s hard for most, since no one knows how a network works

hearty depot Sep 8, 2019, 4:49 PM

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@light trout
got yourself already an yubikey?

light trout Sep 8, 2019, 4:51 PM

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got one 3-4y ago

hearty depot Sep 8, 2019, 4:54 PM

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still in use?

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https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/397426163649216512/491558796573933568

light trout Sep 8, 2019, 4:57 PM

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No, not sure if I finished it

hearty depot Sep 8, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Either I buy one or you can send me yours 🤣

light trout Sep 8, 2019, 4:59 PM

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I think I got into issues when using it on Windows, I may try it again soonish

hearty depot Sep 8, 2019, 5:00 PM

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I know this soonish.. I still got an Nextion display on the breadboard over there

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So quiet here
a new AM4 system or reuse my I5 7600K

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this cooler would be coolhttps://amzn.to/2ZIwmqU
but most ram dims are in the way

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case https://amzn.to/2LyOAkM

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now hard part, Find an (CPU+)Mainboard - there are just to many of them 🙈
got an 1080ti and 2x8Gig ram (PC4-2400T-UA2-11) from the old one here

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This thinkpad just freezes ever when I open a new tab

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(or mooving the mouse to much...)

valid halo Sep 8, 2019, 5:25 PM

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🦀 INTERNET is back 🦀

dusty gorge Sep 8, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Each time I restart my nuc this gets reset?

📎 Screen_Shot_2019-09-08_at_10.47.14_AM.png

clever mortar Sep 8, 2019, 5:51 PM

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I'd ask in #330990055533576204 where it's on topic 😉

dusty gorge Sep 8, 2019, 5:51 PM

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@clever mortar thank you again!