the-water-cooler

[clever mortar]

I wonder if a Sonos Play:5 and a Google Home Mini would be cheaper, and sound better 😛

[clear ferry]

Bought the wife the symfonisk

But she complains it skips a lot on Spotify

[clever mortar]

Those do tick the right price point

[clear ferry]

So she took my home mini

Works flawlessly she said

[clever mortar]

Weird

[clear ferry]

So I'll have to test the symfonisk in my office for a while

[late gate]

whats the best ambilight as of now? had dreamscreen, but they just packed their stuff and left shop over night

[clear ferry]

I wish there was some ambilight solution that let me use my Roku as a player, without costing a fortune

[boreal pewter]

Oh no not an ambilight topic

If you want a reliable one it costs several hundred bucks

Note really worth it imo

[late gate]

do any of you run a transparent firewall?

[midnight adder]

Hello

Does anyone know why BRUNT BLIND ENGINE is not getting loaded on Hassio latest version_

[tough igloo]

@midnight adder #330990055533576204

[dusty gorge]

Is there a addon for domain name for hassio? I have a namecheap domain name i want to use

[clever mortar]

#330990055533576204 @dusty gorge

[clear ferry]

Have we considered HA merch, I'm looking around for a new license plate holder, and I wouldn't mind if it was a commercial for HA 😂

Or stickers

@late gate I run squid transparent proxy if that helps 😛

[clever mortar]

Somebody did stickers a while back, but I think it was a limited run

[clear ferry]

Want

That is nice quantity discounts

[clear ferry]

I should have had a sticker that said I know I'm a dumbass, but my house is smart thanks to Home Assistant or My house is smarter than me and the HA logo

[clear ferry]

Well I'm off to stop and service a 2.2pb system, will try to not corrupt anything 😛

[hearty depot]

make a backup first 🤣
(asking me how long that would take)

[clear ferry]

Backup schmackup 😛

No guts,no glory

[late gate]

@clear ferry will just go with a pfsense setup at the edge of the network without nat - should do its job

[low harness]

I think there's a bunch of official-ish t-shirt designs.

[strange vapor]

You mean like https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2017/02/22/home-assistant-tshirts-have-arrived/ ?

[clear ferry]

need more merch! 😄

[scenic radish]

who's ready for borderlands 3 to be released

[boreal pewter]

Depends on how good and cheap it is

[clear ferry]

Pff, give me Bloodborne 2

[unreal orbit]

Bloodborne 2 would be nice. Then I could have 2 games for my PS4

[clear ferry]

So you haven't played Dark Souls yet ?

[unreal orbit]

Lol, if you only knew how much I play Dark Souls. Just not on PS4

[clear ferry]

🤣 ps4 4 lyfe

I need to get around to Sekiro.... next year maybe

[unreal orbit]

I used to speedrun DS1 for a little bit a few years ago. Sekiro is meh

[clear ferry]

Bloodborne is probably my favorite game of all time, the lore is 🤤

[unreal orbit]

It's for sure one of From's best games. I still love the original Dark Souls

DS1 and BB are pretty close in my heart

[clear ferry]

Try finger, but hole

[unreal orbit]

Large chest ahead

[clear ferry]

I actually enjoyed DS2 a lot

I am in the minority though

[unreal orbit]

DS2 is pretty garbage, but DS2 speedruns are the most entertaining

I still enjoy playing it, but it is the worst of the 3 souls games

Or 4 souls games, technically

[clear ferry]

I found the lore more clear, the graphics crisper and the weapons more to my liking really

but I'm a weirdo it seems 🤷

[unreal orbit]

When you speedrun it you can see how inconsistent and bad the mechanics are compared to the first game

It wasn't made by the same people as 1 and 3

(and Bloodborne and Sekiro)

It was being developed by From's B team at the same time BB was in development

[scenic radish]

never played dark souls or bloodborne

borderlands is my favorite series of all time

[clear ferry]

I have Horizon - Zero Dawn waiting for me too

and I need to get around to RE2:Remake

zzzzz

[clear mirage]

So my grandma gave me a outdoor bar yesterday.. definitely going to be putting some LEDs in this sucker

[clear ferry]

wait now, I just did a edit of the docs, because I thought the integrations had changed to components, but was it really the other way around 🤣

@hearty depot no data lost yet, I have upgraded 8 of 12 nodes in the 2.2PB solution 🤣

but it is so full that I can only do a single node at a time

[scenic radish]

LED all the things

[clear mirage]

One thing I'm planning on doing is making it so the table top lights up. Thinking about weather i should do each panel with a separate controller or the whole top with one

[copper sequoia]

very off topic: anyone excited for wow classic here !

[scenic radish]

probably wouldn't matter as long as the hardware is outdoor rated

would likely be cheaper to use a single controller if it's powerful enough for the total length of LED strips you'll need

[unkempt umbra]

hmm

[unreal orbit]

Why are you spamming channels with "hmm"?

[clever mortar]

He face planted on his keyboard?

Want's banned?

[unkempt umbra]

trying to get client to stay at present, instead of rolling back to 1:57 saturday

sorry tinkerer

[unreal orbit]

You can right-click/hold the channel name and select "mark as read"

[unkempt umbra]

ah

did not know. apologies, all.

[clever mortar]

Escape key works too

Or, you know, you can just scroll

[unreal orbit]

I only have that problem on the android app

Sometimes even after you scroll to the bottom it resets the position and doesn't think you've read anything

[unkempt umbra]

that's what was happening.. web client.

[unreal orbit]

Oh yeah that too. The web client is also finicky

[south pecan]

Hi, I did install home.assio to my raspberry Pi in my old apartment, but it has been disconnected and unplugged for a while now, and I have moved to a new apartment...Im trying to just plug the raspberry to power and ethernet, but I cannot enter the hassio.local:8123 adress, also it seems that Im not getting any IP adress in the router for the device, can it be broken? Or am I missing something maybe? It was a while I where trying this

[clever mortar]

Wrong channel @south pecan

Please take a moment to read the channel topic (message) before posting 😉

In your case, I'd start with #330990055533576204

[south pecan]

Sorry for that!

newbie to discord aswell :p

[clear ferry]

Wuhu, I haven't broken any systems so far

[clever mortar]

So, plenty of time yet then?

[clear ferry]

Last node upgrading now 😛

When you have a 2.2pb system you can only do one node at a time with 93% full

[clever mortar]

What's wrong with risking all the data on the roll of a dice

[clear ferry]

That was my meaning too, nobody listened, they talked about buzzwords like uptime sla lost profit customer accessibility whatever those things are 🤷

[orchid rose]

got my NUC now, but my monitor doesn't have HDMI 😢

[clear ferry]

Lol, how is life in 2004 @orchid rose ?

[boreal pewter]

You fault taking a nuc

🤦

[orchid rose]

it's only 7-8 years old the monitor I think 😦

I guess Dell just didn't like paying the license fee for hdmi or something

[boreal pewter]

Maybe the owner just didnt like upgrading?

[orchid rose]

Is there a reason to upgrade really? I can't go 4k without upgrading my whole gaming setup so that's not an option and larger than 24" 1080p or 1200p doesn't make much sense

[clear ferry]

Just experienced a real world DMZ at a customer

[boreal pewter]

I took 27" WQHD 165hz. That is easy to afford for 500 bucks

4k 165hz is just too expensive

[orchid rose]

and the 2000 bucks to get a PC to run games on it

[boreal pewter]

Yeah i paid about that

What's the matter

[scenic radish]

@orchid rose does it have dvi at least? you can get an hdmi to dvi cable

[orchid rose]

My point was just that for my use it makes very little sense to upgrade my monitor as it would be easily a 1000-1500 upgrade for very little gain

Tediore, yeah I know. Has DP as well but those cables were pretty costly last I checked, at least locally

[boreal pewter]

Well 1080p is common and any good Display today offers hdmi and DP

Since dvi is dying

[orchid rose]

my display is better than 1080p and yet offers no hdmi. For some reason Dell just decided to not include it. Probably cutting costs for an entry level monitor at the time (300€)

[boreal pewter]

🤷

[scenic radish]

~$9 shipped if you're in the US: https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=301&cp_id=30101&cs_id=3010101&p_id=2404&seq=1&format=2

[orchid rose]

not in the US unfortunately. Finland.

[scenic radish]

ah understood, sry

[orchid rose]

also needs to be a mini-hdmi to dvi which makes it even worse 🙂

[scenic radish]

ugh yeah that doesn't help lol

[orchid rose]

mini dp to dp costs 3$ in ali and 25€ in a local computer store...

guess I'll get my trusty old 720p projector and plug it into that one tomorrow 😄

[clear bone]

?rank other

[slim rampart]

That role no longer exists.

[unkempt umbra]

wife has asked for ring video doorbell...

how hard to set up an android tablet with Hass?

[clever mortar]

To run it, or to look at it?

[unkempt umbra]

to be a display/control surface

web client, or is there an official android client?

[light trout]

The current "official" android (and other OS like Windows and OSX) are to use PWA.

[unkempt umbra]

PWA?

[clever mortar]

Progressive Web App?

Basically, point your browser at the system, save to desktop 😉

[unkempt umbra]

gotcha. so web interface for now.

[clever mortar]

There are many unofficial web apps though, but ... why 🤷

All this is of course technically off topic in this channel 😛

[unkempt umbra]

true.

sorry

[clever mortar]

(I was waiting on @light trout to complain 😛 )

[light trout]

I'm past that stage

[unkempt umbra]

I got a picture-elements card to work.

I am climbing that speet learning curve.

steep

[unreal orbit]

The learning curve for picture elements becomes basically flat when you look at the example on https://demo.home-assistant.io

Just start changing values and watch how it changes the card

[clever mortar]

Thankfully if you get stuck, we've got a whole channel dedicated to #frontend-archived 😛

But yeah, the whole thing about HA is that you can do a bit of trial and error and see what happens

As long as you don't mess up a polling value for a service, it's unlikely to be a disaster

[scenic radish]

anyone know of any decent free resources for learning python? i've made a lot of progress with HASS since I started back in February (I've gotten as far as being able to use templates without outside help) but i'm hoping to actually take it a step farther now

or other suggestions really

[low harness]

http://automatetheboringstuff.com/

[clever mortar]

The book is great, I own a copy

[scenic radish]

awesome, thank you

[unkempt umbra]

cool, looks awesome.

[scenic radish]

i've been having a blast with HASS. i knew nothing about YAML or JSON before starting, and i'm at the point where i can actually help people with some things

huge learning curve for sure

[low harness]

Helping people is the best way to learn too.

[scenic radish]

that's true. i think what helped me with automations in particular was just jumping in and figuring out how to manually create automations in YAML. now i have an absolutely stupid number of automations lol

anyway, don't mean to flex. really just proof that literally anyone can learn how to do this stuff without prior experience if i can

[strange vapor]

@scenic radish Pro tip! Put them in git with decent comments.

There's a very good rule with code in general: If you look at code you wrote a month ago and aren't immediately repulsed by some part of it, you probably just learnt nothing in the meanwhile! Some decent version control with decent commit messages is basically a must when you're trying to figure out what you were smoking for old code 😄

[hushed basalt]

Source control is key

Github has free unlimited private repositories now which I take advantage of

I also set up cicd so when I make changes to my code it automatically deploys/changes what I need

Although homeassistant is slowly but surely moving away from infrastructure as code to more front end configuration. It's in a weird place in the middle at the moment. So IaC doesn't work so well anymore

[scenic radish]

Appreciate the tip! I was thinking of adding my entire setup to github...I added a small project of mine to it. Probably gonna upload my setup now.

[hushed basalt]

I have a 'homeassistant' repo where I put my homeassistant configs, docker compose files and anything else relating to this 'service'

Then I have a drone ci file in there too which does all the automated deployments

I think it's super important to make sure your /config folder is automatically and securely backed up as well

Since so much in homeassistant now is outside the configuration.yaml

[brisk glen]

Dam, the AirPods 2 are magical

I feel like I am in the future with the always on microphone

[clear ferry]

🤢

[queen dock]

Hi. New to hass. Is there a way to connect my cfx95 fridge (wifi equipped and app) to hass?

[midnight adder]

hello guys

[orchid rose]

Molly, as always, check the components list: https://www.home-assistant.io/components/

if it's not there, try googling if people have tried to integrate it and search if it has any API you can use to interact with it

[midnight adder]

i have a question i cant seem to search an answer for

its to do with a raspberry pi and i keep bringing up links to pi installs

[orchid rose]

just ask the question 🙂

[midnight adder]

ok i have built this https://www.instructables.com/id/Wifi-Controlled-12v-Led-Strip-With-Raspberry-Pi/

fitted the led strips inside some nice IKEA lamps - works great - I control it via a webpage

the next step is i have a relay board and another pi that will switch " normal" lights on and off

would i be able to run home assistant on another " server" in a docker - server alredy has containers running on it

and get it to control the relay lights on one pi and the leds on another pi?

i use two pi because the led strips require PWM GPIO pins

and the relay boards normal GPIO pins

[orchid rose]

If you have a way of controlling them, it should be possible for HA to control them. You can run scripts that make web requests afaik, if that's how you control the lights

[midnight adder]

xhttp = new XMLHttpRequest();

xhttp.open("GET", "?Colour=" + ClickedColour, false);
xhttp.send();

is a snippet of the webpage code

[orchid rose]

I've never used anything like that but this might do the trick? https://www.home-assistant.io/components/rest_command/

but in any case it should be possible afaik and running HA in #449717345808547842 is also very common

[midnight adder]

ok so how about this

each pi has a docker container running home assistant - is there then a way to link them to a " main " install of home assistant on the server?

because I see plugins here for the GPIO pins direct

[fading elm]

could use mqtt for that afaik

[orchid rose]

you can probably sync them with mqtt or something but I'm not sure if there's an easy way

[midnight adder]

hmmm i will look into mqtt and how it works

u see right now the system works but its not elegant 😉

and involves a different ip and webpage for each pi

so one page to change led colours etc and one for the relay swiched lights

i have never used home assistant before but it looks like something that could tie things together

[orchid rose]

it should do, but it might take a little bit of tinkering as your setup is not very standard 🙂

[midnight adder]

lol nothing i get into is used in a standard way 😉

thats why i am asking now before i plunge headlong into home assistant

cos it looks VAST!

[fading elm]

@midnight adder mqtt is pubsub, so things can publish data, and they can subscribe to topics to get published data as soon as it's published... so you'd have the main controller publish commands, and the various slave devices subscribe and react to the commands they need to... nothing HA specific at all about that, except HA has a mqtt broker (the pubsub server) addon built-in, and integration support

[midnight adder]

ok great thanks for the help i will go off and read up on this

[clear ferry]

Probably #diy-archived or #general-archived is a better channel though 😛

https://open.spotify.com/track/27CxysprRCcgjEvFvZhbHS?si=b2AWPPwRTTWBilgLWXpsLw

[clear ferry]

Oof, imagine being a diplomat and being assigned a 1997 Saab 9-5 as a diplomatic car

That is actually the worst I've ever seen

[ocean mirage]

I’d take it

[clear mirage]

So i've been fighting with HA since yesterday afternoon, and I'm at a loss as to whats wrong. I did restart before i left work yesterday , around 430 or so, i got home around 515, and it was still restarting, so i unplugged my Rpi and plugged it back in and that did nothing, so I've tried 3 attempts at burning a new sd card with the latest Hassio and everytime try to restore from a snapshot it just hangs and doesnt want to re-connect

[clear ferry]

@clear mirage #330990055533576204 then

[clear mirage]

@clear ferry posted there, man is it annoying when HA decides to do this... it was working great. thankfully i live alone so im not annoying any other family members with HA being down

[clear ferry]

Long live proper installs, #551864459891703809 people rise up 😛 ❤

[clear mirage]

after this i think i might upgrade to using a Nuc

[clear ferry]

https://open.spotify.com/track/2QJ2X1vKvNNO19LBjgu3zE?si=Y3WOuINvSCeyQzsVyOv_mw

[scenic radish]

@hushed basalt yeah, i have automatic snapshots made each night and uploaded to my google drive for that reason

[lavish smelt]

Is there any way for us regular users to see any of the analytics stats? It would be cool to know stuff like what platforms and components are the most popular.

[scenic radish]

i'd also be interested in that

paulus pls

[lavish smelt]

I'm about to be in the market for a bunch of new shit (moving to a new house) and it'd just be interesting to see what's popular. I know they do usage statistics with the include_used_components key of the updater component. The data is there. They just don't share it with us (that I'm aware of).

[scenic radish]

agreed. i just like stats like that in general

damn near half of my frontend is just stats about my HVAC system lol

[lavish smelt]

HVAC is going to be one of my concerns. I've had a Nest for years, but Google's shenanigans have turned me off from it.

[scenic radish]

i like my ecobee

[lavish smelt]

I was looking at Ecobee, actually, but no local control, apparently. I thought it was all local control.

[scenic radish]

i like it more now that homekit controller works with it so i have local control of it

you can use the homekit controller component in hass for local control

it does limit some things though. you can't use the comfort settings or anything, but you can control temp, mode, etc

tbh it's good enough for me

[lavish smelt]

That's really all you need. It's the constant cloud polling that bugs me. I'm currently in a home with Google Fiber, so idgaf about bandwidth, but I'm about to lose that. I don't want to rely on my ISP for anything.

I'll look into the Homekit control.

[scenic radish]

https://www.home-assistant.io/components/homekit_controller/

it's automatically enabled as long you have discovery enabled

[lavish smelt]

Yeah, I've never actually used that. That's cool.

[scenic radish]

it's crazy, i have no idea how they figured that one out

you don't even need any apple devices to use it, which is good because i have none

[lavish smelt]

It's sort of the opposite of the homekit integration. Rather than hass publishing devices to homekit, homekit is publishing to hass.

[scenic radish]

right. i just wonder how they tapped into the homekit protocol to do that

[lavish smelt]

No telling. My only concern would be it breaking whenever Apple decides to change the protocol somehow.

Sort of like what happened with airplay and airplay2.

[scenic radish]

true, but i'd imagine any devices that you already have would still work

just devices with the new protocol would be an issue

[lavish smelt]

Yeah, it'd just be newer devices that wouldn't

[scenic radish]

yeah

[lavish smelt]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[scenic radish]

once abode releases homekit, all my smart home devices will be locally controlled with hass

and abode is at the center of most of my hass automations

so that'll be dope

[lavish smelt]

Now there's an ecosystem I haven't seen yet.

I need something other than Ring for the next house as well.

[pure vine]

Im using a bog standard doorbell that can be detected using rtl_433

[lavish smelt]

bog?

[lavish smelt]

Ah, sorry. Haven't seen the term before.

I'd like to do something similar. Dumb doorbell that i can monitor, but it's the video call piece that I'm still missing.

[late gate]

nice queues on wow classic. just like old times

[lavish smelt]

I could easily just do an IP camera and an intercom, but getting the "phone call" for when someone was at my door was a nice touch of the Ring ecosystem. It's just a shame that it was so delayed that by the time it rang, they had already walked away.

@late gate I saw that. Nice to see the player base acting like adults again.

[late gate]

@lavish smelt I have not had the time to try logging in before now. just going to level something soloish

[lavish smelt]

@late gate warlock was always easy af in vanilla.

[pure vine]

I wonder how long it will be untill wow classic will be a mess

[late gate]

yeah warlock and hunter is both easy

always found mage easy too

[lavish smelt]

[late gate]

@pure vine maybe, just enjoy it while it last

[lavish smelt]

Activision is steering that ship at the end of the day. It'll be a mess in less than a year, I'm sure.

[late gate]

not more than a mess than star wars galaxies was, nothing can beat that

[lavish smelt]

Exactly. Take it for what it is. An officially supported vanilla experience. Soak in the nostalgia while you can.

[pure vine]

Im glad bungie has managed to get out the sinking ship that is activision-blizard

[lavish smelt]

FFXIV was pretty bad before they relaunched it.

[late gate]

the first release?

[lavish smelt]

Yeah.

[late gate]

hehe yeah that was bad

honestly even if I play ffxiv I find it just too slow

[scenic radish]

i like my abode system. reliable, free to use the app and self-monitor

of course, the equipment can be expensive which is a direct result of abode not requiring a paid subscription

[lavish smelt]

It's just that it's a cloud push atm

[scenic radish]

yup

until they finally release homekit

[lavish smelt]

I've been using the envisalink for years with a generic honeywell system. It works great, it's just a pain in the ass to get those systems initially configured

[scenic radish]

oh nice

[lavish smelt]

New house has one of those, and I'll probably just do that again.

[scenic radish]

no buy abode

now

do it

jk you've obvi got a better setup lol

[clear ferry]

I was a paladin in Yee old days

Best support healer around

[lavish smelt]

I'll still augment it. I've used the Aeotec z-wave sensors in conjunction with the honeywell system before. You just have to write the automations in hass for when the alarm is armed, set it off if those see motion, etc...

[scenic radish]

ah yeah that makes sense

[late gate]

@clear ferry I still have a ret paladin :p

[lavish smelt]

@clear ferry I played a priest for years before I quit WoW.

[clear ferry]

Started in beta, played active until wotlk, casual until cataclysm

[scenic radish]

you guys fans of borderlands at all

[lavish smelt]

@clear ferry i dropped off some time during BC. Played for a could of weeks when wrath came out. Didn't pick it back up until Legion and played for a few weeks again. Haven't touched it since. That game needs to be treated like a narcotic, lol.

[clear ferry]

No 😛 @scenic radish

[lavish smelt]

@scenic radish Yes, but not 2K.

[late gate]

I went from swg to wow back to swg to wow then swtor, rift, ffxiv then a bit back to wow

[clear ferry]

Classic wow was the best though, it went downhill from BC and out 🤷

[late gate]

then good time to play @clear ferry

[clear ferry]

I don't even have time to finish any projects right now, so no,it is not a good time to play 😛

Maybe in 2020, or 2021

[late gate]

hehe, im just taking some time. life cant be that busy

mostly the reason why I play solo

[lavish smelt]

Lol, I hear that. Between moving across the country and trying to work on a PhD, I don't have time for anything.

I'm glad to be moving out of my old house. That place was a never-ending source of projects.

[scenic radish]

gotta love homeownership

shortly after i moved in i discovered that my dryer duct was disconnected behind the wall...

[late gate]

Im lucklily done with the renovation on this house. never again, neeeeever

[lavish smelt]

That's why I bought a house that's 20 years newer this time.

[scenic radish]

discharging hot moist air and lint into the ceiling cavity above my bedroom closet

[clear ferry]

With being the only guy who works with 13 products in the whole country, my calendar is booked 5-6 weeks in advance and I take 100% care of a baby 3-5 days a week 😛

[lavish smelt]

@scenic radish ouch. I'm hoping I don't find anything crazy like that. We just had our home inspection over the weekend.

@late gate My last house was a renovation, and I've also realized I will never do that again. I don't regret it. Learned a ton. Don't want to have to do it again. Got a house with an unfinished basement so that I can still have my reno project without rendering the entire house inoperable.

[scenic radish]

well rest assured a home inspection wouldn't have found it because it was all behind drywall

lol

[late gate]

yeah I learned a lot too, just not sure if its worth it calculating the material cost plus self labour

[lavish smelt]

@late gate I think I may have broken even, but the toll it took on me is probably not worth it.

[late gate]

when that said I got this house extremely cheap and its been valued 4m over what I bought it for

[scenic radish]

@late gate wait what

4 million? or am i dum

[late gate]

4 million

[lavish smelt]

probably not usd, lol

[late gate]

kroners

nok

lol

[scenic radish]

yeah that's what i was wondering lmao

where you guys from? US here

[late gate]

not that rich, sorry no sugar daddy :p

[scenic radish]

i am disappoint

[lavish smelt]

1 NOK = 0.110870 USD

US here as well

[late gate]

point it its worth much more now hehe

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I bought this house for 2.1mill NOK, done 100k NOK in renovation, based on my neighbors houses that have been sold recently I can probably sell it for 4-5mill NOK depending on the market

[scenic radish]

I'd take a $220K USD profit

[clear ferry]

I only have 1.4 mill NOK left in loans too 🤷

[scenic radish]

2MM KRO = 220K USD

[late gate]

yeah same thing here, next to Norwegian Outlet, @clear ferry if you know where that is. bought it for a million, and got 5,5 eval 8 years later

[lavish smelt]

I've done well and was able to make about a 90% profit. Around 100k USD. That was my downpayment for the new house.

[scenic radish]

noice

i got what i consider to be a screamin deal on my condo

[lavish smelt]

Yeah, but it definitely took it's toll on me.

[scenic radish]

$85K USD purchase price. should be able to sell for 105K+

[clear ferry]

My parents bought their house for 4.1mill nok in 2004, they got it appraised last year for 8.5 mill, hardly done anything really😛

[scenic radish]

gotta love inflation

i mean, not all inflation lol

[clear ferry]

The house is even from 1967

[lavish smelt]

Well, you're also in Norway. That part of the world is getting more popular as everything around the equator bursts into flames.

[scenic radish]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-5263684

[clear ferry]

We enjoy the snow

[late gate]

I hate the snow

[clear ferry]

Although, I miss the snow of 1997, we had 4.2 meters around our house

[scenic radish]

wut

[late gate]

inside winter and inside summer is love

[scenic radish]

that's insane lmao

[lavish smelt]

I'm moving from the southeastern US closer to the west coast and I'm looking forward to snow again.

[scenic radish]

chicago here so i know a thing about snow

but i don't know about 4.2 meters of snow

[clear ferry]

@scenic radish https://images.app.goo.gl/DQf43QLCjgRLjv9M9

[scenic radish]

that's...

[lavish smelt]

Yeah, that's some Canada shit for us, lol.

[scenic radish]

advanced snow

[clear ferry]

https://images.app.goo.gl/fx3WRRyVknkMW8Uw7

[lavish smelt]

I have family from the New England area, and that looks about right.

[clear ferry]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tromsø

My hometown

[scenic radish]

that's beautiful

[clear ferry]

So pretty far north 😛

[scenic radish]

no kidding

[late gate]

my house https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IgNubrLidcIXjyT8LM_gqOMcrhn4ak2n not fancy, but its smart at least :p

[clear ferry]

As far north as Baffin bay it seems

[scenic radish]

is english your second language

[lavish smelt]

I'm about to be so far inland that it'll be like a 16 hour trip just to get to the ocean, but idgaf. I did my undergrad at a school near a beach and I kinda got bored with it.

[scenic radish]

serious question, i really have no idea

[clear ferry]

Aye, we speak Norwegian as a first language yes 😛

[scenic radish]

ah that makes sense

[lavish smelt]

Yeah, most other countries have their shit together and teach multiple languages at a younger age.

[scenic radish]

i'm impressed with your english

i know some ilonggo, but that's about it

@lavish smelt yep... we really need to get on that

[clear ferry]

We start with English in first grade, but I watched foreign satellite TV since I was... Born, and I had a commodore 64 since I was 2 years old 😂

[lavish smelt]

I'm having to learn Spanish in my 30s and it's... difficult.

[scenic radish]

to say the least lol

[clear ferry]

I speak Norwegian, some German, some Spanish, some french, English, and I'm currently studying Japanese, and of course I fully speak and understand Swedish and Danish 😛

[scenic radish]

goodness

that's awesome

[clear ferry]

Oh, and I understand most of Dutch

[scenic radish]

i like those waffle cookies with caramel in the middle, does that count

[clear ferry]

We usually learn German French or Spanish from 7th grade

@scenic radish stroopwaffles?

[scenic radish]

yeah lol

[clear ferry]

🤤

[scenic radish]

rest them on top of the coffee mug for a minute or two

👌

[clear ferry]

I just eat them raw like a savage

[scenic radish]

you're an animal

we live in a society

[clear ferry]

I used to buy 10 packs when I would travel back and forth from France to do trainings

[scenic radish]

trainings?

[clear ferry]

Always fly via Schiphol, best airport in Europe, and stroopwaffles

Yeah, our main training center for Europe is outside Lyon, so I've been there 20+ times

[scenic radish]

armed forces training?

[clear ferry]

No, technology, 😂

[scenic radish]

oh lmao

[clear ferry]

Hewlett-Packard Isle d'Abeau Lyon

[scenic radish]

armed forces technology training?

[clear ferry]

😂

[scenic radish]

i've gotcha, that's cool

[unreal orbit]

Can you really call yourself a sys admin if you haven't been in battle before?

[clear ferry]

I denied the armed forces for 6 years, they eventually gave up

[scenic radish]

@unreal orbit lmao

@clear ferry ah there you go, solid move haha

[clear ferry]

So I'm free, unless I become a veterinarian or a priest

I don't plan on either

[unreal orbit]

Does norway have mandatory service? (or supposed to be mandatory?)

[scenic radish]

guess not

😜

[clear ferry]

No, but all over the age of 18 are called in for check and if they want they can join

Both boys and girls

[scenic radish]

i would not fare well

[unreal orbit]

I don't necessarily disagree with mandatory public service, but mandatory military service is pretty bs

[clear ferry]

I was supposed to be in the intelligence services, but meh, I was busy 😛

[scenic radish]

yeah i think good diplomacy is more important

@clear ferry don't let them see your hass setup, they might force you to join

[unreal orbit]

In the US we have the freedom to choose whether we join the military. Unless they decide to draft people, then freedom becomes secondary 👍

[clear ferry]

I'm already cleared for the highest levels of security, they probably know about my Xiaomi buttons already!

[scenic radish]

MY BUTTONS

you guys have your configs on github?

[clear ferry]

Indeed

https://github.com/atxbyea/HA-Config?files=1

Nothing fancy 😛

[scenic radish]

https://github.com/Tediore/My-HASS

same, but i do have a lot of automations

i had to break out parts of my config and my automations into several files in their own directories, it was getting too cumbersome to manage

just a warning, you've got your latitude and longitude visible in your config

[clear ferry]

I know 😛

Come knocking if you want stroopwaffles!

[scenic radish]

on my way

no raw ones pls

[clear ferry]

[scenic radish]

i'm too scared to make my instance remotely accessible

[lavish smelt]

I have mixed feelings about it. I didn't figure out how to get my HA cloud url setup in the iOS app. I also didn't try too hard. I left my connection open with an haproxy vm running in front of it and fail2ban.

[scenic radish]

i did the duckdns/let's encrypt setup, played with it for 5 minutes and disabled it lol

[lavish smelt]

All of the certificates/dns/networking etc was easy enough (IT background), but I wanted to get the hass cloud side working. My instance has been down for about 90 days now though, so there's not much I can do at the moment.

[scenic radish]

Oh yeah it was easy, I just mean I'm afraid of someone hacking their way into my HASS instance

[clear ferry]

I have so many exposed services anyway, have been hosting stuff from home since 1998 😛

[clever mortar]

Hacking into a remote system requires one (or both) of two things:

1. Security vulnerability
2. Configuration error (usually around authentication)

For what it's worth, in the nearly 3 years I've been running HA, exposed remotely, I've had no issues

All the reports of people's systems being hacked have come from them doing silly things - like admin/admin for the auth, or no auth at all

[clear ferry]

PEBKAC

[clever mortar]

ID10T

[clear ferry]

GIT GUD

[unkempt umbra]

and any of a dozen more terms for pilot error.

[clever mortar]

I do like controlled flight into terrain and stuffed cloud

Almost as funny as flaming datum

[unkempt umbra]

grin

[orchid rose]

May not be as smexy as atxbyea's setup but it is now running hassio in docker 😮

[low harness]

Did you install docker in Debian under Linux?

[orchid rose]

Ubuntu, why? First time I'm using Linux for pretty much anything

[clear ferry]

Mmmmm smexy atxbyea

[clever mortar]

Just remember not to get up too quickly after giving blood 😉

[clear ferry]

I have so much iron in my blood that it is beneficial for me to be a donor

I would rust on the inside if I didn't

I used to have an iron level of close to 400, after I started donating I'm down under 100

[clever mortar]

Damn, no magnet emoji

[low harness]

Good job! I used to be a donor, but then I moved and here it's really inconvenient.

[clear ferry]

How inconvenient? Mostly all Norwegian cities have donor centers

[low harness]

There's one here too, but it's at the hospital, and it's only open, like, on Thursdays between 14 and 16.

So I have to get out of work and go by car for half an hour.

[clear ferry]

Oh, ours even at the hospital's are open until 21-22 some days, and 19 other days

[scenic radish]

@clever mortar that's good to hear. https and decent password with 2fa and you think i'm good?
@orchid rose "hassio in docker" TRIGGERED

[clever mortar]

Adding 2FA is usually a good idea if you're worried

#613790866523422723 😉

[clear ferry]

I should install hassio in a docker container under hyper-v under esxi just to trigger people

[scenic radish]

...on a windows machine

wait

i'm dum

[clear ferry]

Windows is already in there 😛

[scenic radish]

yup, i read too fast lol

@clever mortar also considering ip ban after 2 bad attempts lol

[clever mortar]

And, for a little added challenge for the idiots, don't use port 8123 or 443

[scenic radish]

i thought i'd have to forward 443 to 8123

[clever mortar]

You can forward any port you want

[scenic radish]

https://tenor.com/view/themoreyouknow-star-rainbowstreak-nbc-gif-4884642

[clever mortar]

HTTP/HTTPS allows you to specify the port, so you've got some 65K (and change) to play with

[scenic radish]

brb, forwarding port 42069

[clear ferry]

Do a high port, those are sexier

Like 31337

[scenic radish]

ELITE

[clever mortar]

Port 42 for life, or the end of the universe

[scenic radish]

or 4277 for HASS

that'd be neato

[clear ferry]

My initials are EZ and Norwegian license plates are AB12345 so I always wanted EZ31337 for extra lulz

[scenic radish]

do it

make your own pl8 m8

who cares about "laws" anyway

[clear ferry]

We can pay to get our own plates actually

10000nok for a plate that lasts 10 years, follows you and not the car

[scenic radish]

yeah i've wanted Tediore as a plate, but i don't really want to pay extra money per year to get it

we pay annually in my state and it's extra for custom plates

[clear ferry]

States, the weirdest thing about the US, how a country really isn't the same country 😛

[scenic radish]

best part is some things are legal on a state level and illegal at a federal level

[clear ferry]

The laws are so different per state you could call the EU a country in the same respect as the US 😂

[scenic radish]

@clever mortar also good to know, thank you. not sure why i thought i'd have to use a specific one

[clever mortar]

Nah, many protocols support being provided with a port number

[scenic radish]

ah just checked the duckdns docs, I C

[clear ferry]

Duckdns

[scenic radish]

i don't enjoy that i have to forward ports to my xbox to have an open NAT

[clear ferry]

Xbox supports upnp doesn't it?

[scenic radish]

i'm sort of just hoping that there aren't vulnerabilities in the xbox

it does, but i have upnp disabled on my router for security

[clear ferry]

So rather have them open all the time instead of when needed, and fixed instead of random, sounds a lot safer 😛

[scenic radish]

eh true, but at least it's limited to the Xbox and not all devices on the network like with upnp

but that's an interesting point, I'll have to ask what the IT people at my work think

[orchid rose]

Isn't upnp rather unsafe? At least that's what I've been told so I disabled it 🤔

[clear ferry]

Ask the it people here 😛

[scenic radish]

It can be because any devices can use it even if they're rogue devices

That's what I've always understood at least

It basically assumes all clients are trustworthy even if they might not be

[clever mortar]

Meh, UPnP can be abused, but so can default passwords on routers

#frontend-archived @deep gyro

(aka, please read the channel topics before posting)

[deep gyro]

Cant do screenshots in #frontend-archived

[velvet horizon]

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Command '.images' was invoked by: Villhellm

[clever mortar]

🤦

[unreal orbit]

Not to mention that's code...

[clever mortar]

Yup

[velvet horizon]

Please use https://www.hastebin.com/ or https://paste.ubuntu.com/ to share code or logs.

Command '~share' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[clever mortar]

We block image posting because of people posting code as images

[deep gyro]

Fair enough 👍

[clever mortar]

Please don't contribute to the problem

[deep gyro]

Gotcha, thanks

[scenic radish]

would you guys make fun of me if I told you I have a google wifi router

[unreal orbit]

Not to your face

[clever mortar]

Thankfully though, we can't see your face 😛

[scenic radish]

☹️

[clever mortar]

Hey, if it works for you... it works

[unreal orbit]

I don't see any issues with those mesh systems as access points, but as routers...

[scenic radish]

I just like the configuration app lol

Been thinking of getting other equipment to actually run a vlan for all my smart home devices

[hearty depot]

mhmm.. installing zsh on my cromebook wasnt the brightest idea 😅

[hushed basalt]

Houses here are ridiculous

[scenic radish]

@hushed basalt what do you mean

[hearty depot]

i mean why 🤣
back to /bin/bash and i got back my missing charakters 🎉

[hushed basalt]

The cost of them

It's like $700k-$1200k for a family home in "medium" areas

AUD

[scenic radish]

ouch

[clever mortar]

That'd get a family home in the city centre here, or a flat in London 😛

[scenic radish]

that's like california level in the US

[pure vine]

Our "cheap" houses arnt built like how the US would build a cheap house, most are still made using bricks, also due to country side protection laws known as the greenbelt, the price of land in city's has sky rocketed

Also the closer you are to London the more ££££ you can demand because those are in high demand as we have stupidly centralised around it

[clever mortar]

London prices are beyond insane

[boreal pewter]

Even im afraid to make holidays there because it would cost like a month of living in germany for a week. Not that I really want to experience strange currency and driving on the damn wrong side

[clever mortar]

Eh, London't only horribly expensive during tourist season (so, January to December) or if you want to stay in a fancy hotel that's really central

If you don't mind staying in something that's "only" decent, then you can get it down to merely gently painful

[boreal pewter]

Isnt a cup of Coffee everywhere near London still 5 bucks strange currency?

[clever mortar]

Only if you want fancy stuff, and not simply coffee

[boreal pewter]

In Portugal it was less than 1€ 🤔

[clever mortar]

Yeah, but you don't have the overheads of people who think 20 hour working days are too short 😛

[boreal pewter]

Where do you live again? Just to check if we stay at yours ❤

[clever mortar]

Way further North

[boreal pewter]

😱

[clever mortar]

London is a thing I'm not crazy enough to live near enough to make visiting it a day trip

[scenic radish]

"5 bucks strange currency" lol

[pure vine]

Pounds isn't weird, is a decimalised currency like the euro

(warning politics) although there seems to be people who don't want it to be decimalised

[clever mortar]

Pounds, shillings and pence

<shudder>

[boreal pewter]

DEUTSCHE MARK

Had to throw that in

[strange vapor]

It's no weirder than the USD with it's damn quarters!

Weak pound at the moment is great for online shopping. Pity there's a good chance come November that shopping from the UK may be fairly awkward here!

[boreal pewter]

Fairly expensive

[sacred valve]

Can someone help me understand service calls for template cover?
https://www.home-assistant.io/components/cover.template/#open_cover

[boreal pewter]

I guess a 60 pound pi easily ends up 100+

[clever mortar]

@sacred valve Wrong channel - please read the channel topics before posting

[sacred valve]

🤦

[clear ferry]

@clever mortar quoting Roger waters or just stating currency?

[clever mortar]

Yes

[clear ferry]

That would be from... Perfect sense Part II anyway

[unkempt umbra]

quid

[clear ferry]

Pro quo Clarice

Tell me about the sheep

[scenic radish]

@strange vapor i think quarters make a lot of cents

[clear ferry]

[strange vapor]

Go stand in the corner and think about what you just said......

[fallow hedge]

question for you guys, I'm having the electrical panel changed in my house. What sensor should i add? which one do we like?

[strange vapor]

If I recall correctly, these days US cent coins cost something like 1.8c each to mint....

[scenic radish]

we don't like to talk about that

[strange vapor]

Stop making them! Lincoln is on the $5 note anyway! 😄

[unkempt umbra]

that's centsless

[scenic radish]

tbh i wish we got rid of coins altogether

you can't hardly buy shit for less than $1 nowadays

guys the battery on my pebble time round is starting to weaken

pls halp

[clever mortar]

There's a subreddit and pebble specific forums that can help you there

[scenic radish]

oh i know, it's just from age. i've had it for almost three years now

i'm sad to see it go

[clever mortar]

So replace the battery 😉

[scenic radish]

yeah, it's probably gonna come to that point. it's hard to find though because it's a weird voltage, 3.8v

[strange vapor]

Got speaker for the bedroom, may have overspecced them a bit 😄

Was offered the slightly bigger version of what I wanted, and they definitely have enough power!

[hushed basalt]

Thats a leafier suburb

But only like one over from where I am

And would probably cost $700/qrt in heating/cooling costs too

You need like $160-$180k cash just to get a mortgage for 'decent' area family homes :/

Renting is so much cheaper at the moment

But our tenancy laws are non existant. We have mandatory inspections every 3 months and we can't even put 3M command hooks on walls, let alone drill anything

Means I have to get.. creative. When it comes to mounting things

[tough igloo]

Renting makes me sick. We are moving interstate soon and will have to rent again for about 12 months. Not looking forward to it.

[ocean mirage]

But you can never leave

Barr will hunt you down

[tough igloo]

The ridiculous thing. If you send in an application there’s a clause that says if your application is accepted you AGREE to sign a tenancy agreement

🤣 I will still be connected to CBR.

[ocean mirage]

Oh no

Quangers?

[tough igloo]

It’s still government work

[ocean mirage]

oh lol

[tough igloo]

😂

[ocean mirage]

Damn though, hope you can buy soon

[tough igloo]

Yeah me too. We should be able to but just tossing up what the best options are. Renting gives us an opportunity to get the lay of the land

[ocean mirage]

Yeah true, if you are new in town that sounds good

moving far?

[tough igloo]

northern country NSW

[ocean mirage]

Hopefully houses are cheaper at least :)

[tough igloo]

about 8 hour drive so not too far in this country

[ocean mirage]

lol

[tough igloo]

yeah they are cheaper and proper back yards

I driven from Canberra to Darwin so it's not that far

[ocean mirage]

oof

Longest I have personally driven is Melbourne

[tough igloo]

I've always done long driving. When I was playing cricket we would always have visiting poms and when we had to drive to Albury to play or Newcastle they would freak out about how far it was to drive 😂

[ocean mirage]

haha fair enough

Albury is always the place I stop on the way to Melbourne

get some Hungry Jacks

[tough igloo]

Yeah can't go wrong with a whopper or three

[ocean mirage]

heh for sure

[scenic radish]

The Whopper is the best fast food burger in my opinion

Hungry Jack's is Burger King over here in the US

[ocean mirage]

They have a lot of burger choices here, some ncie ones with onion rings and stuff

[scenic radish]

The rodeo burger is awesome

[hushed basalt]

Driving is the worst

Bring on uber Drones

I've done Perth-Melbourne-Perth as a passenger

Not by choice

[ocean mirage]

Driving long distance is not great

driving in general is good fun

[hushed basalt]

Lies

:p

[ocean mirage]

Maybe I only say that since we have such little traffic

and lots of fun roundabouts

[hushed basalt]

StOp lIkinG thIngS I doNt lYke

We have lots of traffic lights and very little round abouts

And heavish traffic

My peak hour commute is 250% the time of off peak

[ocean mirage]

Mine goes from 10-15 minutes to 15-20 minutes with traffic lol

I cbf doing maths

[clear ferry]

@scenic radish replaced my pebble with a Xiaomi amazfit bip, does everything the pebble did and more, and 33 day battery life

[hushed basalt]

Can you control spotify

[clear ferry]

I cannot, but my h headset does, so I don't miss it

[hushed basalt]

That's probably the main thing I'd want in a smart watch

Is being able to pause/skip etc

My headphones do it too but half the time the media player controls aren't connected to the right app

[clear ferry]

I have never had issues with that, for as long as I have had headset control

[hushed basalt]

Samsung 🤷

They have their own bluetooth media player thing which is never how you want it

What about push notifications

[boreal pewter]

Smartwatch? What about Huami Amazfit X?

[strange vapor]

@hushed basalt Use both Sony BT headphones and media system in XC60 with Samsung and never had issues with media player integraion, either podcast or music player.

Whatever of the two apps was last active gets the button press notifications.

[clear ferry]

Same here 🤷

[strange vapor]

Even happily accepts button presses from Garmin watch if I remember the watch can do it 😄

[hushed basalt]

I blame Australia

We have stupid headphone volume warnings, do you?

And I have to open my phone to override it, even when it's going to the car Bluetooth

[clear ferry]

We have those

[strange vapor]

Yup, at least once a day if I've got the volume up.

[ocean mirage]

Huh, I've not seen those

[thorny swallow]

Sydney AU folks.. tomorrow night's Infra-Coders Meetup has been taken over by Home Assistant! Two long term users (myself and Jurgen Weber) talking plus a live demo, beverages, food and DevOps networking...

(we're hoping to get enough interest to make it a stand alone "house coders" offshoot meet-up too)

[scenic radish]

@clear ferry No music controls though which I use a lot :/

[hushed basalt]

I was supposed to go to a jr dev meetup tonight

But I'm too sick :'(

Plus a devops meetup tomorrow night but I doubt I'll be better

Kids man. They're little incubators

I've been sick like 4 times this year.

[clear ferry]

My kid hasn't been sick once yet

Starting kindergarten in December though

Didn't Australia make it mandatory for vaccines in kindergarten or something now? Hope we get that here soon

[boreal pewter]

Oh Oh Vaccine talk

I got there summin

[strange vapor]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/08/28/doorbell-camera-firm-ring-has-partnered-with-police-forces-extending-surveillance-reach/?noredirect=on

[last plaza]

I don't get the concept of boosting the server, I don't see any difference in functionality whatsoever

[clever mortar]

There's extra gloss and glitter

[pure vine]

A scale with a numpad

Technically a smart device

[strange vapor]

@last plaza It's sort of similar to the Flare mentioned in Officespace 😉

[last plaza]

like the chachkies ? 🙂

[strange vapor]

Same idea!

[scenic radish]

PC Load Letter? What the fuck does that mean?

[clever mortar]

It's telling you to shove some US sized paper in the bin 😉

[last plaza]

that was a classic movie! no matter how many times I watch, it is still funny!

[unreal orbit]

Mike Judge is a severely underrated writer in my opinion

[clear ferry]

TP FOR MY BUNGHOLE

[strange vapor]

@scenic radish You know that the Linux Kernel still has a "Printer On Fire" error message, legitimately!

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/char/lp.c?h=v5.0-rc3&id=ce397d215ccd07b8ae3f71db689aedb85d56ab40#n257

Dating from a time that printers could jam and go up in flames 😄

[low harness]

HTTP 418. ’Nuf said.

[scenic radish]

That's amazing lol

[strange vapor]

Home Assistant should really start using some of these https://github.com/joho/7XX-rfc

[clever mortar]

I love 707, and the whole 2.9 set on principle

[strange vapor]

There's an old internal facing project where I dropped a few of them in for "impossible" situations. While our red team was hammering it, they found a few 🙂

[midnight adder]

Nerds

@serene mortar

[scenic radish]

DOUBLE POST

ban him mods

[serene mortar]

@scenic radish Thanks!!

[scenic radish]

what's everyone's favorite automation that you've made

[late gate]

how does esxi run on a nuc vs proxmox. only purpose is to be able to run a test version on side of production HA

[clever mortar]

@scenic radish Maybe we should ban you, for posting off topic questions 😛

[scenic radish]

pls no

https://tenor.com/view/ohgod-headache-idiot-gif-5155691

[clever mortar]

I'm pretty sure there's a forum thread on that topic though

[scenic radish]

ah i'll take a look

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-homer-good-bye-im-done-gif-3610339

what's everyone's favorite...uh...season?

[clever mortar]

Autumn 😛

[scenic radish]

same

[orchid rose]

the two days we call summer up here

[scenic radish]

i always look forward to summer ending because i'm hot all the time

thank goodness for air conditioning

[orchid rose]

truth be told I hate hot weather. Anything above 25 Celsius is awful

[scenic radish]

77F for those of us who use freedom units

and yeah same

[clear ferry]

Winter 4 lyfe

Snow

❤

[scenic radish]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-run-naked-gif-10746112

[late gate]

snow is horrible

[scenic radish]

I like snow

[clever mortar]

Snow is only horrible if you get too much of it (all the time) or almost never get any

[scenic radish]

some people around here don't know how to drive in it though

[clever mortar]

^^^ that's the biggest problem

[late gate]

I cant automate the snow plow yet, so no to snow

when it can be automated we can talk

[scenic radish]

lmao

[last plaza]

You can have a heated pavement, so that you never have to plow the snow. We are planning on concrete driveway, if it is reasonable price, I may go for it. Then I can automate the floor heating.

[clever mortar]

With a ground source heat pump you could even do that at a reasonable level of running costs

[scenic radish]

That would be amazing

[last plaza]

Yup. A decent snow blower would cost you around $800 usd. Might as well put in some more 💰 and get it done permanently.

[boreal pewter]

I wouldn't save money there and get something decent

[scenic radish]

but will it blend?

[last plaza]

^^^ That’s the question!

[late gate]

the heated driveways was so popular here in norway in the 70s, but now with the power cost and keeping it warm enough at -15c not sure if its worth it.

[last plaza]

We hardly get 1 month of heavy snow each year and not really worried about the costs. Just got a Honda snow blower, I prefer to have the problem solve itself without my involvement 😊

[strange vapor]

Rarely get snow in .ie

[boreal pewter]

Real machines are called Unimog

[strange vapor]

When we do, the country just closes down.

[last plaza]

Even in the USA, when it snows in areas that they are not used to, they go crazy. 2 inches of snow will close schools and offices.

There are places where there is 2 ft snow, business is usual.

[strange vapor]

We get a dusting of snow, and society collapses. No bread, milk, eggs or butter to be got for love nor money within minutes!

[last plaza]

😮

Which country is that?

[strange vapor]

Ireland 🙂

We're not used to weather extremes at all!

[last plaza]

Ah!

[strange vapor]

Just constant slightly miserable weather and a week of Summer

[last plaza]

When USA buys Greenland, we will have more snow filled land 😝

[late gate]

difference here its coming a meter of snow overnight

[odd mason]

man i haven't been around here in a while

really need to get back to my automations

[last plaza]

Same here @odd mason after long time.

I have been updating and keeping it current, but no major enhancements lately.

[odd mason]

i got busy setting up a media server at home...have over 10TB of tv shows /movies already lol...at&t is probably not happy with my usage lol

i haven't updated HA in a while..still running 0.93.2. should probably update soon

[last plaza]

I almost had heart attack last night when we had power failure and my ESXI wouldn’t start back up due to one of the drive failure.

The updates have been very smooth lately. No issues for me - at least on the major functionality that I rely on day to day.

If other things break, I am happy to remove that code and keep it simple.

[strange vapor]

I've had some fun with Unifi recently which required messing with json, other than that, upgrades tend to be painless.

Probably just after jinxing myself now 😄

[scenic radish]

good lord, 10TB??

[strange vapor]

That all?

[scenic radish]

we live in a society

also it's ok, i'm still on 0.95.4 because 0.96 made the generic climate component much slower to update in the frontend for me

[strange vapor]

In my previous job, if certain customers wanted an after hours quick job done, I'd just point them at my Amazon Wish List. So I ended up with a stupid sized DVD/CD collection. Ripped them all at decent quality, and it comes to a bit more than 10TB 😄

[odd mason]

@scenic radish i've got 100TB zfs raid setup

[scenic radish]

you guys are animals

jk that's pretty cool

[odd mason]

lol

https://i.imgur.com/I5vKI86.png that's just from usenet. probably another 200GB from other sources

[scenic radish]

i don't think i use more than 100 GB of bandwidth each month at home lol

[strange vapor]

One of my colleagues accidentally wiped his fairly large NAS recently, EMC I think. As he pointed out after, RAID != Backup

[scenic radish]

oof

[odd mason]

@strange vapor yup..i have 2 10TB hard drives for backup but i haven't set it up yet

[late gate]

got 4x 10TB in my synology with daily backup of essensial files, good enough for me as it can survive two disk crashes

[scenic radish]

i have 20 x 100 TB

all connected to my rPi

[late gate]

bit overkill? :p

[odd mason]

also looking for a cloud backup service that's affordable. heard gsuite business doesn't enforce data limit so i might try that. encrypt then backup whenever

[strange vapor]

@odd mason If you find one let me know!

[late gate]

im just using the cloud storage from synology just cause its simple and affordable

[odd mason]

@strange vapor need a cloud backup? yea what do u recommend?

[scenic radish]

google one offers 2 TB for $100 USD/year

[strange vapor]

Have stuff I care about backed up as well as possible, but some of the DVD rips aren't backed up. Still have the original media so not too worried, but decent cloud backup that doesn't require a mortgage would be nice.

[scenic radish]

not sure if that's what you need though

[odd mason]

@scenic radish nah that's too much for that

my data isn't worth that much. i can just redownload stuff if i need to

[clear ferry]

@odd mason I raise you the 2.2PB video storage I updated earlier this week

[odd mason]

damn!

that's incredible

[scenic radish]

200 GB for $30/yr

[strange vapor]

@clear ferry Overkill much? 😄

[clear ferry]

@strange vapor scality grows indefinitely

[scenic radish]

wtf are you guys doing that you have that much data lmao

[clear ferry]

Just add nodes

[odd mason]

@scenic radish lots of old tv shows lol. i'm a sucker for old shows i used to watch as a kid

[strange vapor]

How many KW of power do you pull?

[scenic radish]

@odd mason ah makes sense lol

[odd mason]

i don't even worry about the power...what is it costing me? another 20-30 bucks a month? eh

[scenic radish]

yeah really do you guys have 500 amp service or something

[late gate]

any of you have tried those chinese i7 nuc clones?

[strange vapor]

@scenic radish It's a lot easier to run large systems here with 240V power.

[scenic radish]

dedicated load center for the personal space station

[odd mason]

@scenic radish i just have a dell r720 but i created a DAS by following this: https://www.serverbuilds.net/16-bay-das

[scenic radish]

@strange vapor yeah that makes sense, the only 240V service i have is for my air conditioner, everything else runs on 120

[odd mason]

and got 10 10TB HDD when they came on sale for 145/each

[strange vapor]

A funny thing I never realised till recently is that the kettles we take for granted in Ireland and UK aren't actually all that common on the continent as they really don't work as well on 110-120V

[odd mason]

i do need to buy a backup power source

something to shut down gracefully when we have power issues

[scenic radish]

yeah that sounds like a nightmare to manage

that's pretty cool about your r720

[odd mason]

/r/homelab got me hooked lol

if anyone is paying for plex pass i highly recommend checking out Jellyfin. been using it for a bit now with 7+ users and it's been working great

[strange vapor]

hmm, that 16 bay das looks interesting....

[odd mason]

was cheap and works great as long as you don't care about hotswap

and i didn't

[strange vapor]

Have a couple of Odroid HC1 a while ago, basically small ARM boards in a chassis with space for a SATA 3.5" drive. Was using them to learn Ceph the hard way.

Actually really nice little machines, was surprised at how well four of them worked together.

Currently have them running a Minio cluster doing fake S3 for me 🙂

[odd mason]

nice

[strange vapor]

Wouldn't rely on them for "production" but a nice cheap way of messing with distributed file systems.

[last plaza]

@odd mason why do you need 10TB? just upload it online, and let the world back it up for you 😛

I am also running out of space on my NAS, I need more drives now...

[odd mason]

where?

[strange vapor]

Does that FUSE file system which turns gmail into "unlimited" storage still exist?

[odd mason]

no idea never used it before

[strange vapor]

heh, not seeing anything about gmailfs past 2006, I guess they cut off the loophole being used 😄

[boreal pewter]

I work on a unlimited storage method to download Torrents to and serve via plex

Yet I fail hard

[odd mason]

@boreal pewter why do you fail?

I've got a pretty good system setup now where all downloads are processed to be MP4 format with AC3/AAC audio so it eliminates practically all transcoding needs.

[hearty depot]

Uuh - how you did that? I want that too

[odd mason]

@hearty depot set this up: https://github.com/mdhiggins/sickbeard_mp4_automator

[velvet horizon]

Underknowledge is away for 27m 59s with a message :point_right: zzzzZzZzZ..

[odd mason]

it even handles subtitles for you if you want them

[hushed basalt]

I don't transcode either

Nor converting

Strict client enforcement is where it's at

[odd mason]

@hushed basalt what do u mean by client enforcement?

i don't have to do anything like that or maybe it's something i haven't thought of

[rapid musk]

Who is the resident server guru round these parts? I need advice lol

[ocean mirage]

always best to ask first and see what answers you get

[hushed basalt]

@odd mason as in players

So I only use media players that can play hevc etc,

[odd mason]

ah ok

[hushed basalt]

I use apple tvs with infuse and that works really well

[odd mason]

i do everything in x264 because no browsers even support hevc right now

[hushed basalt]

Cheaper than the hardware and electricity costs of converting

I don't do any in browser viewing though

[rapid musk]

Well I’m looking for advice on my first server. Gonna scoop one from eBay as I’m tired of using my main PC for EVERYTHING

[hushed basalt]

My upload bandwidth is limited too so hevc really helps

[odd mason]

i figure i shouldn't have to worry about what my users watch stuff on

[rapid musk]

Problem is I don’t know squat about enterprise hardware

[odd mason]

ah ok..i'm on a gigabit connection

[ocean mirage]

Whats your use case rocky

[odd mason]

@rapid musk i didn't either. still don't know too much but /r/homelab set me up. dell r720 you can get cheap. i got one with 192GB RAM and 1.2TB HDD that came with mine for like 600 bucks i think

[rapid musk]

Probably an Unraid server. I have tons of content I use through Emby and I’d like to familiarize myself with an actual server setup. Maybe screw around with virtualization

[ocean mirage]

depends on if you need transcodes and what you might be doing with that virtuilization

[rapid musk]

Currently my main PC is in a Rosewill 4U 12 HDD case with consumer grade hardware. I7-7700k 32gb ram

But I recently had some power outages and it killed my OS on my SSD so I had to implement a UPS, which my old rack didn’t have room for...down the rabbit hole I go

[ocean mirage]

hehe

[rapid musk]

Bigger rack, UPS, new OS now a big ass 25u rack with 2/3 empty lol

[odd mason]

@rapid musk if your budget is 600-1k you can get a nice server setup with everything you'll need most likely

[rapid musk]

Was looking at the r720 and the dl380 but I just want to make sure I’m making the right decision. Steered in the right direction

[odd mason]

most of the money will go into storage

[rapid musk]

I can always build on the storage, I just want a solid foundation to start building a storage pool on, with the benefit of RAID

[ocean mirage]

I thought you said Unraid

[rapid musk]

Phone autocorrected, sorry. Unraid

[odd mason]

why unraid?

proxmox + zfs works great

[rapid musk]

I tried freenas and couldn’t get the hang of it. Not sure what my hang up was. It was a couple years ago. Figured I’d give Unraid a go

[ocean mirage]

I like Unraid, I have been using it for a few months and its very easy to use

[rapid musk]

I think it was giving me too much crap about my drives

[ocean mirage]

I am not really familiar with what competing products offer though

[rapid musk]

Well ZFS is faster iirc

[ocean mirage]

Oh yeah Unraid is not for performance

but for media which is what you sound like you want it for its good

easily expandable, which i find handy

[rapid musk]

Exactly. I’m just a tinkerer that’s never satisfied, so I need a new project, and a server is on the radar

Plus, I have to fill some space in this rack, right? Haha

[ocean mirage]

hah exactly

I've worked off guides by this guy before, this one could serve you well if you dont need a heap of computing power https://forums.serverbuilds.net/t/nas-killer-4-0-build-guide-fast-quiet-power-efficient-and-flexible-starting-at-125/667

He tends to favor white box builds

[rapid musk]

Nice

Guess I need to educate myself on Xeon CPUs

[ocean mirage]

Buy first ask questions later ;)

thats what I did

[rapid musk]

Lol, alright. I’m pretty sure it’s going to be the r720 or the dl380...

[ocean mirage]

I'm not super familiar with using either but I know they can be a bit limited on internal storage and can be a bit noisy, but if that works for you then sweet

[rapid musk]

Yeah, noise is kind of a concern, but it’s not like I sleep next to the rack. It lives in the garage

[ocean mirage]

Fair enough

[rapid musk]

Which just so happens to be behind my head when I sleep through a wall lol

But hell, that’s where my wall hung boiler hangs as well so...

[ocean mirage]

I'd imagine that wall is thicker than paper lol

should be right

[odd mason]

jellyfin on an LXC container works great from my experience

i'm loving proxmox over the past 8 months or so that i've used it

[rapid musk]

I’m pretty freakin pleased with Emby

[ocean mirage]

I use plex 🦆

[odd mason]

eh...i like free stuff lol

[rapid musk]

I tried plex, it was awesome

Short story...

[ocean mirage]

lol

Plex is free for most things, I do pay however

[odd mason]

i heard that you need an internet connection to authenticate?

[rapid musk]

I ditched Plex because my streams timed out and I hated how when I cut the cord, it wouldn’t still be on and playing when I turned the TV back on the next day

[ocean mirage]

I'm not sure chags, maybe

not entirely a concern of mine

[rapid musk]

Meaning after a certain period it would just stop using bandwidth. Bugged the hell outta me

[ocean mirage]

I'm not sure I really follow rocky

[odd mason]

i've made it a habit of only buying/installing things that don't need an internet connection to work. although my internet is pretty solid i want it to work regardless of what's going on outside

[rapid musk]

Switched to Emby because it would play indefinitely...well I hit my data cap 2 months in a row and now I’ve turned on the “are you still watching” feature on Emby lol

[odd mason]

jellyfin is emby..only free and open source

[ocean mirage]

Some of my premium stuff might not work without an internet connection but I believe everything else would, which is fine for me

[odd mason]

same core code base but they've split off to keep it FOSS

[rapid musk]

How does that help a guy that bought Emby premiere last Black Friday for $99 though? I may give it a whirl

[ocean mirage]

I imagine jellyfin will be much more appealing in a year or two, once its had more time

[odd mason]

is it a one time payment or a yearly subscription?

[ocean mirage]

as it is plex is really polished and has a lot of supported clients

that said I haven't personally tried jellyfin

[odd mason]

yea they're working on clients. android clients just went live a few weeks ago

but i use it in the browser on my iphone and it works great

and i use it via kodi on my main tv

[rapid musk]

One time, for life

[odd mason]

ah ok then you're set @rapid musk

[ocean mirage]

My main client is an Apple TV, I assume they're not there yet

[rapid musk]

And it works locally regardless of an outside connection

[odd mason]

yea not there yet @ocean mirage

[ocean mirage]

I hope they do well

[odd mason]

@rapid musk how does it authenticate to show you're a subscriber if u don't need an internet connection?

[rapid musk]

I assume that’s stored locally since once you type in your premiere key, it just always stays active as a premiere license

[odd mason]

interesting

[rapid musk]

Without an outside connection I can still watch my OTA channels via my HDHomeRun and my DVR and my stored movies...obviously the IPTV stuff goes offline without a connection though

All through Emby

[odd mason]

nice

[rapid musk]

Have a few scripts that run EPG123 with schedules direct to always keep 14 days of guide data, and use xTeVe for the IPTV tuner setup. Works amazing

[odd mason]

i haven't set up IPTV yet

netflix + all my media seems to be enough for my family

[rapid musk]

Mine too, I’ve noticed. We have it and rarely watch it. I watch some UFC stuff, and some HBO and Showtime stuff, but that’s it really. I bought a year pass back in Feb for $120. Not sure I’ll renew

Oh yeah, sports too, I do watch sports...damn. I’m stuck lol

[odd mason]

yea paying a bit for some usenet stuff seems to be better for me

i can download a 40GB movie and have it processed and indexed in jellyfin in less than 10min usually

[rapid musk]

Nice

[odd mason]

my bro in law asked for Judge Judy the other day

i obliged but i still judge him for it

[rapid musk]

HA!

[odd mason]

https://i.imgur.com/FqtkXlO.png he's been watching it constantly

[rapid musk]

Yeah my parents live in The middle of nowhere and are tied to satellite but they are growing to love accessing my Emby server since they have no OTA channels, plus I get everything

[odd mason]

yea parents is the one thing i'm surprised with. mine are in their 60s and pull up stuff on their phone and cast to their TV regularly

only had to show them once

[rapid musk]

Yep, I bought my mom a nvidia shield and set it up and she hasn’t really looked back. Loaded Emby and Netflix and she’s always on my server lol

[odd mason]

nice

[rapid musk]

She’s spoiled with my symmetrical gigabit connection