the-water-cooler

[clear ferry]

I forgot I have a business account on O'Reilly, I have access to all books, and damn there were a lot of python books

Learn python3 the hard way 😂

[orchid rose]

tfw you wake up and it's 27 inside... What's the point of living nearly at the north pole if it's still over 30 outside 😠

[hearty depot]

Thunder here <3 I got a headake but the temperature is ok

[clever mortar]

We had thunder and lightning overnight again, but the temperatures are reasonable now

[hushed basalt]

Bought two ikea motion senzors

[dark sparrow]

Bought These Xiaomi Motion Sensors and 2 contact Sensors

[clear ferry]

I want thunder 😞 😞 😞 😞

@hushed basalt they are quite useless imo, atleast with ha

@dark sparrow Xiaomi 4 lyfe

@orchid rose to be neighbors with 🎅?

[dark sparrow]

i wish xiaomi stuff was better translated as I really like their product design, and functions

if their Hub would speak english I'd get one of those

Like having a micspeaker and a led ring integrated into it is just such a good idea in my opinion

[clear ferry]

Agreed

Xian wa niha Kwa APP!

[dark sparrow]

is that english?

[clever mortar]

The Xiaomi motion sensor is an ok motion sensor, and a rubbish light sensor. Their contact sensors are cheap and work well

[clear ferry]

@dark sparrow that is all I hear whenever o pair something with the hub

The only word I understand is APP

[dark sparrow]

ah

yeah, i wish xiaomi would embrace the global marketing more

first off everything looks so clean and secondly they have a nice take on things.

or rather generally chinese stuff has interesting takes

for example the Broadlink RM Pro has a integrated temperature sensor

quite nice for automation

Also im currently contemplating of trying out the Mi Router

[orchid rose]

166km away from Santa @clear ferry

[boreal pewter]

Not too sure if I would choose the Xiaomi Router as my main router

[young sigil]

Yeah Huawei would be a better choice 😄

[clear ferry]

Pfsense 4 lyfe

[hearty depot]

Would love to have a pfsense box - but WAF 🤷

quite happy that I'm allowed to use the old laptop for HA

[dark sparrow]

not as my main router, i got a fritzbox cable, was thinking of a router for all my smart home garbage

[clear ferry]

Multiple pfsense boxes

[hearty depot]

Thought on buying one (MiRouter) a year ago because you can flash openWRT on it

[dark sparrow]

I have literally no idea what openWRT is

[hearty depot]

an router software you can say

[dark sparrow]

Ah

[boreal pewter]

@clear ferry you want something calm for your soul?

[hearty depot]

after its a minimal linux system you can do a lot of things with it
https://openwrt.org/

[dark sparrow]

interesting

[boreal pewter]

There is currently only one router I would BUY regarding the wifi power but I'm annoyed by 2 devices Router-Modem

[clear ferry]

Wrt, haven't heard that in 10 years actually

[boreal pewter]

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GT-AX11000-Tri-Band-Aiprotection-Compatible/dp/B07MRD1LDZ/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=ASUS+ROG+Rapture+GT-AX11000&qid=1564223131&s=gateway&sr=8-2

[dull chasm]

bought one of those before that release model and would not hold over 50 clients on wifi .... it is currently in the box in closet

[boreal pewter]

Mh I dunno anything else in comparsion to wifi

[dull chasm]

unifi HDnano ap's

[boreal pewter]

Specifically I have a Fritzbox 7590 and right the next room the Amazon Fire TV has only like 20Mbit and even Games and Fakebook on mobile have loading screens

So I bought a Denovo Ac1200 set to extend wifi and it increased not by far, I still can't watch good Plex stuff there

Wifi is such a unthankful bitch

[boreal pewter]

Yeah if someone is up to paying a few k'ish€

[dull chasm]

wth is a kishe

[boreal pewter]

k-ish 1000+€

1000, 2000, 3000

[dull chasm]

i think i got 1500 ish usd dollars in mine

[boreal pewter]

Yeah and I pay 90€ for 2 years rental of a FritzBox

[dull chasm]

LOL and wifi is bad 🤣

[boreal pewter]

Yeah but good wifi for 1410€ more is not the deal I was looking for 😄

[hearty depot]

well.. I payed 200 for my ubnt setup - super happy

[dull chasm]

there you go ^^^^

but i run 13 cams so need something robust

[boreal pewter]

Mh maybe I should ask at work if the exchange the ap's to newer models somehwn, I think it's only uniquity there as well with like 20 ap for 2 floors

[hearty depot]

you only need an ER-X for poe and an UAP-AC-LITE for example - ditch your fritzbox lol

[dull chasm]

yea lite does what up to 50 clients or so

[clear ferry]

I have 40 APs lying in boxes in my garage 😛

MSM466

[boreal pewter]

I can only wifi to wifi or DLAN, no ethernet between the rooms

[young sigil]

When I was researching Ubiquiti APs I remember reading that the specs are a bit high. The lite starts having trouble around 40 clients. Which was fine for me.

[dull chasm]

one HDnano will give you 250-300 ft of wifi if you crank it up

[boreal pewter]

How that?

That little 160€ buck blue ring thing without external antennas?

[dull chasm]

yep

this camera is at least 100' from ap

[hearty depot]

to be fair - your client also should be able to transfer this far
how? 4 clicks when I remember right
the thing got 2 x2 antennas inside

[boreal pewter]

My whole flat is just 66m² and it's just about to have a good quality video stream and browsing in bedroom and checking news when shitting

[dull chasm]

i dont know mm(2) but you see the signal strenth at 100 foot so i am guessing you could do one

one ap i mean

whats a 100 foot about 33 meters or so

[boreal pewter]

1m² is 10,7639

[hearty depot]

while were in topic internet - f. you A1
https://i.imgur.com/IwAyNch.png
got more ping then download speed yaay

[boreal pewter]

lol that looks like cable internet

[dull chasm]

yep

[hushed basalt]

I've got the IKEA motion sensor working

Link quality of ikea devices is attrocious though

[boreal pewter]

so Vasiley you want me to get that AP, and where would I put it? Right beside the router as additional AP or rather via the anyway existing Devolo set via DLAN+ethernet in the bedroom?

[dull chasm]

ap from router ....centered as much as possible

but i am not sure of how to hook up without cloud key and ubnt gear

[boreal pewter]

?

[dull chasm]

well i have ubnt only and you adopt gear to the system

[hearty depot]

I now my opinion doesnt count but still 😛
get yourself an cheapass modem, put it tu single user and login via PPPoE or so on your new UBNT gear(ER-X when it shall be cheap, USG when it soesnt really matter) Place the AP near the fire stick or whatever you use to stream and when you like you can still add another AP via DLAN

[dull chasm]

there you go ^^^ and you do count

[boreal pewter]

Having an AP beside the FireTV in bedroom requires to use DLAN because internet is in living room

[hearty depot]

and you can run the software to adopt on your pc - I used it only one time - to set up the ssid - after that I just stopped it

that thing of te AP near the streaming device is from Linus tech tips.
they tryed game streaming back then

[boreal pewter]

It sounds logical to me tho. I have not yet tested the bandwidth via ethernet at the receiving DLAN node in the bed room

Maybe I have terrible lines everywhere and only get 50Mbit there from the actual 100

😄

[hearty depot]

Ac1200? not more then 1.2mbits

[boreal pewter]

Yeah AC1200

[clear ferry]

@hearty depot 1.2Gbps 😛

[boreal pewter]

The bandwidth which the adapters could transfer doesn't matter in the first case. If the electricity lanes are and terrible condition and 50 other building aspects still could affect the transfer and even lower it to no transfer at all

[hearty depot]

really? dont belive it - got an AC2000 and 18mbit was the higest of all feelings (building out of 1910)

[boreal pewter]

Looking up AC2000 reveals to me Wifi 2.4Ghz tho

And again, it's still up to the lanes in your wall tho

[dull chasm]

isnt it a combination of 2.4 and 5 that they come up with the ac standard (naming)

[clever mortar]

AC supports both I think, but not together

[boreal pewter]

Actually yeah, I only took a 2 seconds quick view

[clever mortar]

Of course, if you go for an 80 MHz channel on 2.4 GHz, better hope you don't have neighbours 😛

[boreal pewter]

But I see it is a wifi bridge and not DLAN

[dull chasm]

i dont mean toghter but the rating on router .......2.4 at 400 and 5 at 800 ....so its a AC1200

[clever mortar]

Yeah

[boreal pewter]

Just like the 1000W bassbox in your local store 😄

[clever mortar]

The kind of maths only a marketing droid could come up with

[dull chasm]

no shit huh

[boreal pewter]

What about the: Amplifi AFi-R Mesh Router

[hearty depot]

ha? this thing does interfere with wireles?
https://amzn.to/2Gx086h

[dull chasm]

sadly i dont even know the rating on my AP's lol

[clever mortar]

Powerline shouldn't interfere with WiFi

I've used it before with no issues

[dull chasm]

i set one up once ....played hell then realized it had to be on same phase ..... duh

[hearty depot]

same - understood the conversation wrong probably 🤷

[boreal pewter]

@hearty depot yeah I was talking about "Devolo 1200" which is the product name and you came up with AC2000 so I googled "Devolo AC2000" and those are wifi bridges 😄

[hearty depot]

aah!

[boreal pewter]

Wasn't thinking at kinda "Wifi standards"

Well again, what about Amplifi?

[hearty depot]

I chatted about tat a little a long time ago - could have been sjlabby. he was happy with it

[dull chasm]

fixing to try these bad boys out this week ...waiting on amazon to deliever https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078NN1J4K/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[hearty depot]

https://i.imgur.com/nnfe64S.png

[clear ferry]

https://github.com/cvb941/HAHA

Interesting

[clever mortar]

Yeah, I saw that... curious

I loved Because of this, a cron job is setup ... to restart the Avahi service every minute

Nothing like some mcguyver engineering

[late gate]

is that just another way to say "haha" you didnt backup?

[tidal bronze]

Was an interesting read. Although much easier with ESXI or any VM

[hushed basalt]

@clear ferry my ikea motion sensors are working pretty well

What didn't you like about them?

[dark sparrow]

ooh i just stumbled across some github commits working on GHome local execution

for HA

[clever mortar]

Party time!

[dark sparrow]

People behind a CGNat rejoyce

[late gate]

wow 10 scammer calls today, not picking up, but strange with so many. im not waiting for any calls from south africa or equador

[clear ferry]

Scammer calls? I haven't had one of those in atleast 5 years, send one my way

[low harness]

Me neither. Not since I registered to the national registry of people not wanting marketing calls.

[clear ferry]

I think we have that too, but I have never registered

[low harness]

It's great. After joining it's illegal for them to call you. And it actually works.

[clear ferry]

Apparently we can do it for addressed commercial in the mail too

[hearty depot]

load of 10 when I stream a show with plex 🙈
I defenetly have to do something against this .. - not shure if I should rather convert or just upgrad 🤣

[clear ferry]

Are you running Plex on a pi?

[hearty depot]

2011 macbook - but feels like it

[hearty depot]

Mhmm.. I'm actually impressed https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/07/27/035bb7e401508ba8.mp4

[boreal pewter]

Depends if load is due to transcoding, CPU load. Without transcoding CPU usage is almost non existant

And why do u Post a pr0 link 🤦

[hearty depot]

Why not 🤷
I think my problem is that the fire TV can't directplay the .265 wich I encodes with

[boreal pewter]

Correct. Get a good Client or good CPU.

[hearty depot]

End of the year a new nuc gets released - not to far away.

[boreal pewter]

Not having to transcode would be the better Option..

[hearty depot]

recommendation?
The Nvidia thingy is the only one I can think of

I thought on a Roku too - but don't know if it would handle

[boreal pewter]

I have a shield as living room device. Yeah it's nice. But I know someone posted me a Box once for just 100 bucks tho.

I think there muß be recommendations in Plex forum and reddit sub plex

[violet brook]

So i got this wooden project, i need to measure/draw it a bit more so i can get the correct numbers. Any nice free tools or cheap ones for the mac?

[pure vine]

This showed up in my recommends, i like looking back on the old automation tech https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm33KB2Th9M

[hushed basalt]

@hearty depot never transcode, except as a last resort for weird files

I use an apple tv 4k with infuse app.

Transcoding reduces quality a lot, besides the whole having to buy particular server hardware etc.

You're better off optimising shows rather than real time transcoding if you have to

[quiet cobalt]

What's the best Lovelace card anyone used

[clever mortar]

https://github.com/pkozul/lovelace-floorplan/tree/master/www/floorplan for me

[hearty depot]

Picture Elements 😉
someone have an go to ffmpeg or handbrake-cli command for optimising a show?

[young sigil]

Im quite fond of the tiles-card. https://github.com/rodrigofragadf/lovelace-cards/tree/master/tiles-card Shame it is virtually unmaintained.

[dull chasm]

cant ask too much more from a $50 camera

[clever mortar]

Pretty good

[dull chasm]

up to 13 cameras now ....i think i will stop now

[dark sparrow]

those two trees look ideal for a hammock

[dull chasm]

pretty entertaining thou watched a racoon play in yard last night

i have put one there but squrrels used it for a runway

[dark sparrow]

haha okay

[dull chasm]

gonna to put these boys up monday and see how they work ...got one camera thats going to be about 150 meters and didnt want to trench fiber throu gravel https://www.amazon.com/NanoStation-NS-5ACL-US-802-11ac-Airmax-Radio/dp/B07GPQKLXW/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=Ubiquiti+NanoStation+AC+Loco+5GHz+airMAX+ac+CPE+with+Dedicated+Wi-Fi+Management+(NS-5ACL-US)&qid=1564313021&s=electronics&sr=1-2

hope the are not a b*tch to set up

[clear ferry]

@dull chasm heckorino those are some big trees

[dull chasm]

LOL they are pretty old

[clear ferry]

Looked like redwoods to me 😂

[dull chasm]

nah just pines

a magnolia and some gardenia's

trees are not bent ....just a wide angle lens

[clear ferry]

My $20 ones ain't bad either

[dull chasm]

yea i got two 20 ones inside and cant really complain

[clear ferry]

Think that is the 720 stream im running now

[dull chasm]

poe is shit thou on them

i am running 4k

[clear ferry]

Never had issues with the poe

[dull chasm]

well poe works but doesnt seem to be enough for nightvision for some reason

but with regular psu works fine

[clear ferry]

Hmm, strange, never had issues with any cams I have had, what kind of Poe power is it? I used procurve power injectors at first, but nabbed a Aruba switch with Poe integrated from work later

[dull chasm]

from unifi switch

its only those two cameras and they are same brand and model

[orchid rose]

Which cams are those? In atxbyea's case, I'm just assuming Xiaomi, but which model? 😄

[dull chasm]

the ones with poe issue is besder

the one i showed is a reolink

[orchid rose]

thanks

[dull chasm]

the beseders i was able to put them on poe but used a poe+ to 12vdc injector and they work perfect now ...guess the network port is flawed for poe

[clear ferry]

@orchid rose kkmoon China stuff for me

[orchid rose]

hmm, is there a camera that would be able to send data through an open wifi network btw? Could install in the boat for the heck of it, but having 4G for that just isn't worth it imo

[clear ferry]

Any WiFi camera with cloud will do that I believe

Like dlink or similar

[orchid rose]

Hmm, how are they configured?

[clear ferry]

Only know my boss's cameras, he just connected them to his WiFi and he gets notification on movement, otherwise the camera isn't streaming as far as I understood, but you can open the stream any time

They are power connected, but WiFi based

[orchid rose]

but where does the camera connect. Through a cloud service or something?

[clear ferry]

So he gets notified when the moose enters the yard of his cabin 😂

Yeah, he uses the dlink app I believe, which uses a callback from the cloud server

So no port openings

[orchid rose]

alright, that makes sense

I'll read up on that, I guess it could be kinda neat to see what's going on in the harbour

[clear ferry]

Did you hear the podcast about the boat guy?

Think it was episode 47 or something

[late gate]

@clear ferry did you try to see if your cameras got the backdoor login open?

[orchid rose]

Haven't listened to the podcast. What was it about?

oh you mean he had set up a boat automation system? I saw some links to something like that

[clear ferry]

@late gate no backdoor,but they called home to an ip address owned by Amazon EC2, but I found out that was a subscription service you could enable, but it only sent like 1kb every 4 hours, so I didn't bother analyzing it, just blocked it in the firewall

[late gate]

@clear ferry ah, just a lot of cameras out there with the backdoor login default/tluafed. as a hidden admin account

[clear ferry]

I haven't even bothered changing the password on mine 😂

admin / admin

[dull chasm]

yea i noticed

[late gate]

hehe lazyness :p

[dull chasm]

@clear ferry stop going out to camera and point the middle finger at me 🤣

[clear ferry]

🖕 ❤

[dull chasm]

😅

[worn jasper]

I don't believe it, brought my server back from the dead a second time

however i need to get serious about fixing it properly haha

[midnight adder]

what smartplugs do you guys use

[dull chasm]

these work great with zha

SYLVANIA SMART + ZigBee Indoor Smart Plug, Works with SmartThings, Wink, and Amazon Echo Plus, Hub Needed for Amazon Alexa and the Google Assistant

[midnight adder]

this one?

looks kinda bulky

[hushed basalt]

Looks like a ghost

American plugs are funny

[dull chasm]

yep and they are repeaters for zigbee

[midnight adder]

I have four of these in use at the moment:

generic chinese tuya plugs

they work really well and don't take up much space

[hushed basalt]

What do you all use plugs for

[midnight adder]

(schuko outlets are recessed so you only see the thick part sticking out)

@hushed basalt non-smart lamps

[hushed basalt]

To be honest I'm not sure what I would do with smart plugs

I don't have any lamps :(

[midnight adder]

plugs are cheaper than bulbs so i have all my standing lamps on smartplugs

i also have a fan and a led strip on a plug

[hushed basalt]

I think plugs vs smart bulbs are about the same here in australia

Even more expensive sometimes

Anything with an AU socket is automatically more expensive for some reason

[midnight adder]

Yeah I don't really buy off the domestic market

smart plugs cost at least 20 bucks here in NL while these plugs can be bought on aliexpress for 10 bucks

as for smart bulbs I like mine to be wifi-based so the cheapest is a 13 dollar yeelight off ali

I only have like three light sockets in the apartment though, everything else is standing lamps

[hushed basalt]

I try to avoid things that arent au certified :D

Voids insurance etc

[midnight adder]

tuya plugs are also sold on the european market but at 2x the cost

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/kjelfhoo60d31.jpg

[clear ferry]

What on earth kind of chassis is this, the amount of slots is insane

https://i.redd.it/42c9dzxdr2d31.jpg

[clever mortar]

I've used bays like those in the past. Not the highest bay count, but not terrible

Weirdest are the ones that use pull out trays, with disks that go in vertically

Of course, I didn't try to shake the data off the disks...

[storm summit]

@clear ferry probaby just a bunch of supermicro servers

I wonder how much a rack weighs when it's full of 3.5in HDs.

looks like you can fit about 600 drives in 40u

[clear ferry]

Oh it is a rack

Confusing perspective, I thought it was a single chassis

But that would be impossible at that width

Then the density isn't too big, I install 5u chassis with 70 drives each for 3.5inch or 48 drives per 2u for 2.5 inch

[storm summit]

858 lbs for 600 drivces. less than I thought.

[clear ferry]

Depends a lot on the drive though, I have felt older SCSI drives that weight atleast twice that of a modern one

[storm summit]

yea. I would exclude old models. who wants old tech.

I could find you a 200 lb 10MB HD if you want. heh

[clear ferry]

Watercooled racks weigh in at 1800kg without water if memory serves right

The MCS gen2 with 4x c7000 that is

[storm summit]

i just noticed hgst's website is gone. the content is on western's now.

[clear ferry]

I actually didn't know they were bought

[storm summit]

Yea . they seemed to keep that tidbit well hidden.

[clear ferry]

Apparently Wikipedia says they were forced by the Chinese government to keep the business` seperate due to antitrust since 2012

[hearty depot]

Very neat - finaly virtual desktops on Chrome OS

[dark sparrow]

I wish Chromium OS would get support for Android Apps

[young sigil]

@hushed basalt Check out the Kogan 4 pack of power monitoring smart plugs. Easy to flash over the air with Tuyaconvert. Cheap and AU certified. https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/kogan-smarterhome-smart-plug-with-energy-meter-pack-of-4-kogan/

[fast rose]

@young sigil I wish on products like this they gave the specs or the PCB layout lol

[young sigil]

No manufacturer is going to give away their IP. Fortunately it's easy enough to reverse engineer. https://community.home-assistant.io/t/australia-electrically-certified-hardware/32074/234?u=tom_l

[boreal pewter]

@clear ferry

[clear ferry]

I had that on my A8 too

[boreal pewter]

😄

First time in my life tho

[clear ferry]

It's a bit cocky, but I like it

[hearty depot]

What OS should I try next for my backup server? Had Debian, Ununtu, Arch, Mint, and Gentoo 🤔

[ocean mirage]

Genthree

[hearty depot]

first search hit: Wellness and Health Coaching

[ocean mirage]

Well, get to it

[dark sparrow]

your brain can store massive amounts of data, so treat it well

[young sigil]

post-it notes.

[hearty depot]

it ll only do that when you challange it.
but the post it note in front of me reminds me that I have a hairdresser appointment tomorow 😉

[boreal pewter]

If you already had Debian, I don't understand the problem. The only alternative for that kind of stable, well known and universal Server OS would be CentOS but I couldn't even tell you one important difference except for Yum vs apt which are just the same IMO (tho I find apt more logical)

Altough the backups I would go with don't need anything else than SSH/rsync/Docker

[upper tinsel]

This feels appropriate here, via r/ProgrammingHumor 😄

[hearty depot]

haha very funny ``` ssh admin@10.0.0.128
Unable to negotiate with 10.0.0.128 port 22: no matching host key type found. Their offer: ssh-dss
ssh -oHostKeyAlgorithms=+ssh-dss admin@10.0.0.128
admin@10.0.0.128's password:
WARNING: Your password has expired.
You must change your password now and login again!
passwd: No such file or directory
Connection to 10.0.0.128 closed.

[low harness]

Well. Good luck with that.

[hearty depot]

An D-Link NAS 🤦

[wary jolt]

What do you guys think if this mozzilla webthings gateway: https://iot.mozilla.org/gateway/

[gleaming gyro]

@clear ferry You can 3d print a car now?

[clear ferry]

Apparently

[gleaming gyro]

Wow. The future is great!

[hushed basalt]

Made my first smart doorbell

Zigbee switch. When pressed it sends on the signal and blocks any more for 10 seconds

The sends a TTS to google home, as well as mobile notifications

I'll add in blinking house lights as soon as I set up some nap time room blocks

[upper tinsel]

Could make a blinking script, and use the automation to tell it how many times to blink, that way you can use the script for other automations too

[hushed basalt]

I'm using node red

[upper tinsel]

Not sure I know enough about Mozilla's Webthings to really have an opinion on it... doesn't seem to be doing much different?

[hushed basalt]

I think most of my lights have a blink cycle parameter

So I could just pass that along as a variable

[willow steeple]

hassio homekit. Got it working but now it has stopped recognising the names when spoken through siri but still works in th ehome app. Anyone heard of this before?

[clever mortar]

Do you mean Home Assistant, or are you referring to some add-on

For Home Assistant try #330944238910963714.
For add-ons try #330990055533576204

[willow steeple]

Hello Tinkerer. I have had it working for ages. Using enable:
- homekit in my config .yaml

ah I see the link is where I go. Thanks. Still new to this lol

[clever mortar]

Hint - read the channel topics 😉

[coarse spoke]

Does anyone have their hassio reverse proxied and have esphome up and running? I am having issues with this set up and not sure where to ask.

[willow steeple]

night all

[white radish]

hows the shipping for aliexpress and gearbest to us?

[open hull]

variable

[clear ferry]

@coarse spoke both #330990055533576204 and #551843558676758569 is probably better than here

@white radish "us" is also very vague

[white radish]

U.S

[clear ferry]

That made more sense 😛

[white radish]

haha yepp

[boreal pewter]

While gearbest itself is a shop and has epic EU shipping, Aliexpress is a B2B platform so it may be good or maybe you receive nothing. Just the same as ebay beside that you fight china and not a company in the same country (ebay) if you don't receive it

[clear ferry]

I always get my money back with Ali if I don't receive my items🤷

[boreal pewter]

Sure they're mostly very polite and respectful, but I remember a case where I bought 2 Tablets for me and my girl with pretty good Hardware for below 100€. Ofc it was all faked, I had to get several apps to get deep enough into the system to proof and even ran benchmarks. I told them this is scam and they better pay me back my money without any returning and so shit. I even went to the police. I think after a month or so they gave up

It was annoying tho

Oh they excused by "we accidently flashed the wrong firmware" (the firmware stated the hardware which was told in the offer) 🤦

[young sigil]

Anecdotally I've always found Aliexprerss orders to arrive way faster than Gearbest, but I guess that could depend on the Aliexpress vendor.

[boreal pewter]

Maybe depends on where you live. While Aliexpress sellers usually use standard shipping and everything faster costs mostly much much more or isn't even offered, with Gearbest you even get Germany express for just a few bucks, arrives in 2 weeks. Also Gearbest relabels the packages at the borders so you have not to pay taxes

[young sigil]

Yeah probably should have mentioned that was standard shipping for both to Australia.

[wintry crow]

If I want quick, I choose banggood - you have a faster shipping option than alie and gearbest, for a few extra pennies

[boreal pewter]

Banggood is not faster than Gearbest in my country, so you can't generally tell that. But Bangood is not bad tho

[boreal pewter]

Well they at least state on their website a quicker shipping time but I think my yeelight strip exceeded this time

[white radish]

im mostly looking for aqara sensors so nothing crazy expensive.. just wondered if shipping was accurate. seems like i would want a reliable source either way

might pay the ole amazon tax if its only a few bucks

[orchid rose]

never had issues with any of the sites mentioned here

just avoid stuff that's clearly fake and remember that the shipping can be quite random at times. Times vary from a week to two months in my experience (to Europe)

[white radish]

thanks for the input everyone

[hushed basalt]

Which do you recommend for ordering stuff to Australia?

[strange vapor]

Heatwave in Europe, and this is the walk back from lunch in Dublin....

[ocean mirage]

Very welcome rain?

[clear ferry]

Tried looking for stuff on banggood, found nothing I have recently bought

[strange vapor]

Nah, we have had fairly OK weather. Monsoon rains like that benefit no one.

[clear ferry]

@strange vapor close to st Stephens green ?

Looked familiar

[ocean mirage]

Ah okay

I don’t like rain much but sometimes heavy rain is cool in summer

[strange vapor]

@clear ferry Back of the Four Courts

[clear ferry]

I enjoy the sound of rain, but not the rain as much

[ocean mirage]

Our rain is liquid though

[clear ferry]

I was way off then @strange vapor

[dull chasm]

i would prolly wreck there ...no idea what the signs mean ...but beautiful pic

[clear ferry]

Ireland is very nice, I did enjoy living there

[ocean mirage]

You’ve been everywhere, man

[clear ferry]

I bet @dull chasm has been more places than me 😛

[dull chasm]

14 countries lst i counted but that was 25-30 years ago

military

[ocean mirage]

Makes sense

[clear ferry]

I have 18 I think, no military

[ocean mirage]

I’ve been to one country other than home lol

[dull chasm]

dont count @clear ferry you wasnt getting shot at

[clear ferry]

I would like to do Vietnam, Japan, China in one swoop, the flight time is zzz

@dull chasm valid point 😛

[dull chasm]

i hated vietnam ....

but loas is worse

[clear ferry]

I love food, so I would go for the views and the food 😂

[dull chasm]

if you stayed in a village or city it may be ok ...i was mostly in the jungles and it is misable .... thai food is the worlds best imo

[ocean mirage]

United States and Europe are big ones I wanna do but hard to plan - too many places

[clear ferry]

I might do a euro roadtrip one year, get to cover a lot in three weeks

Want to do the same in the US too

[ocean mirage]

Yeah I’d want 3-4 weeks in either but that could cost a bit

[clear ferry]

Had a college get a deal with a company in the us that delivered motor homes, if he picked it up in Chicago and delivered it in las Vegas within 2 weeks he rented it for $300 or something

That was really cost cutting for him

And driving around Europe is cheap, both renting and eating, unless you come up to Norway 😛

Airbnb is pretty vast in Europe atleast

[ocean mirage]

That’s a decent drive and then you are in Vegas

Also yeah cool

I probably wouldn’t go to Norway, too many colds

Looks pretty but I’d die

[clear ferry]

You could stay at my parents Airbnb, see the northern lights if you go in winter, or the midnight sun if you go in summer 🎉

[ocean mirage]

Would almost certainly be summer

Only sun I care about is the April Sun in Cuba

[clear ferry]

But we might break our record of 4.5 meters of snow if you go in the winter 😛

[ocean mirage]

I’ve not really seen proper snow and I’m okay with that

[clear ferry]

Snow ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤

[ocean mirage]

I went up Mt Kosciusko in summer and had some snow mush on it

[clear ferry]

The more the better

[dull chasm]

we get a inch everything shuts down

[ocean mirage]

Every second year the lightest snow falls here and melts on landing

[clear ferry]

@dull chasm Dublin got three flakes the year I lived there and just shut down 😞 @strange vapor

[dull chasm]

🤣 would be same here

[strange vapor]

Sounds about right!

[clear ferry]

London Heathrow calls my father's place of work the years they have lots of snow for advice on how to handle it 😛

[strange vapor]

Get proper snow two years ago, and the only I could get out of my place was that it was on the road to the largest army base in the country, so they got all the recuits out to clear the road.

Oh, and more importantly, it was also where the largest horse feed distributor is, and I live in the area of Ireland where all the major stud farms are!

[clear ferry]

My car the fifth of June 2006 if memory serves right

I remember it because it was my birthday 😛

And my parents garage in January I believe

[strange vapor]

Snow like that doesn't happen very often here.

Twice that I can remember

[young sigil]

This happens once every 10 years and people lose their minds:

I'm a bit 'meh' after living through a lot of this.

[clear ferry]

https://www.nrk.no/troms/slik-markerer-far-og-sonn-den-20-ar-gamle-snorekorden-i-tromso-1.13495148

This was my hometown in 1997

[hushed basalt]

@clear ferry did you sort out your rss parsing

It got pretty cold today

Almost made it to 6 degrees

Got to 19 in the afternoon though

[clear ferry]

I ended up subscribing to Usenet instead 😛

[magic vault]

Seriously, Google?

[dark sparrow]

Would I be considered crazy if I containerize my PC with a Windows Installation inside one of the containers?

[clear ferry]

Windows and containers 🤢

[dark sparrow]

Nah, the supervisor will be linux but ill have one installation of Windows Server inside a container

[light trout]

Can you even run windows based containers on a unix based host?

[clear ferry]

🤔

I would say no, but I stay away from containers

[coarse spoke]

@clear ferry #551843558676758569 is an archived channel, and hassio I'm ignored.

[clever mortar]

#551843558676758569 has a link to a server you can get help at

If you're being ignored in any other channel, it's probably because you're not posting enough detail to help, or the people that can help aren't around

I have a problem will result in either you being ignored, or if you're lucky, somebody pointing out that you're not going to get a response with that kind of post

[normal ferry]

Okay given the recent events , google home BT going sideways , I need suggestions for good/afforadable BT nodes to use instead.

[clever mortar]

WTF

See my response to your now deleted post in #330944238910963714

[normal ferry]

yes sorry I thought I'd be a good boy and post to the appropriate channel

saw your reply though - thanks

[clever mortar]

It's HA related... so #330944238910963714 would be the appropriate channel

Or maybe #general-archived

[normal ferry]

rly!? thought it was mostly for technical matters

[clever mortar]

You do read the channel topics?

#the-water-cooler For chat around things that aren't Home Assistant related...

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/w2uzj3aux4311.jpg

[clear ferry]

FINISH HIM!

[strange vapor]

https://twitter.com/internetofshit/status/1156297927024947210?s=19

Internet of Shit (@internetofshit)

that feel when the software is so good you throw away $300 of smart bulbs because they're smart enough to ignore people hitting the lightswitches now

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[clever mortar]

I read that earlier, almost fell of my chair laughing

[hushed basalt]

@clear ferry containers4lyfe

[strange vapor]

@hushed basalt They've a tool like anything else! Personally prefer small VMs with proper networking for services I care about, but containers are epic for dev work!

Then again I was poisoned on the idea of containers by having to deal with Virtuozzo! Took a while before I was able to look at container wrappers like Docker without breaking into a cold sweat! 😱

[strange vapor]

https://twitter.com/bkdwtt/status/1156262563665068033?s=19

bkdwt (@bkdwtt)

@Phundrak @nixcraft

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[hushed basalt]

I use containers in vscode to build my dev environment it's great

But i loveee containers for services

I need to break into kubernetes though

It's amazing what you can squeeze containers onto

I'm running my full home stack on a QC celeron 1.6ghz syno nas with 8GB

And it mostly works

Except when I try to docker-compose up 14 services at once :D

[clear ferry]

😂

Watching these extreme coupon shows makes me wonder, why doesn't everybody do that, even if you only did it once a month you would save a ton of money

Best luck with a coupon in Norway is we get s single carton of milk for free if we bought a lot of milk last month

[ocean mirage]

I assume its a lot of effort

[clear ferry]

Well if getting your daughters to cut out some newspaper coupons and organise them in the correct order is efforts I'm more worried about their storeroom OCD level

[ocean mirage]

weirdly specific that only your daughters can do it

[clear ferry]

It doesn't feel grammatically correct to say "your kid" as a non gender specific term 🤔

Nor "your child" or "thou offspring"

[ocean mirage]

It works in English fine

Your child or your children

kid works too

[clear ferry]

What do you know of English, you speak Barbie 😛 ❤

[ocean mirage]

I watch some BBC

[clear ferry]

https://media.tenor.com/images/fb8cf25d6c3bc46400916876588db393/tenor.gif

[hushed basalt]

@clear ferry my NIC doesn't work on mac

Bloody mac

Worst OS ever

[clear ferry]

Your nic doesn't have a driver in macos you mean?

I'm guessing they only include drivers for the actual hardware they sell, which is easy when you sell five products

[boreal pewter]

Not using anything additional with my Mac Pro

[clear ferry]

I have a customer that only uses macs, they have so many drawers of usb extension stuff for them it is insane, i reckon around 400 bits just for Ethernet, hdmi, usb, etc

[ocean mirage]

My girlfriend prefers macs. My only previous experience was using our school macs to play cod 2

[clear ferry]

I don't have much experience with them I own a 13" one I bought 15 years ago for some testing and I integrated them in AD2003

[ocean mirage]

Still going strong?

[clear ferry]

I have it in my closet, it works atleast 😛

[ocean mirage]

Closeted mac user

[jaunty maple]

Hi folks, I'm new here and thought this is probably the best place to introduce myself. I recently started working with home assistant as part of a (electricity) demand response project, we are implementing some of our project as a HA custom component. I'm based in Scotland/Ireland.

[clear ferry]

@jaunty maple be warned, we are all weirdos, we bite and we always like to do stuff our way 😛

[late gate]

@clear ferry watching junk tv on TLC? soon ur binging judge judy and dr phil hehe

[clear ferry]

@late gate the life with a baby that wakes up at 0600

Not much else on tv

[late gate]

I see. I understand that. Though those shows CAN be painfully gratifying to see sometimes

[clear ferry]

please doctor Phil, I can't stop eating dishwasher soap
just stop eating it
Crowd cheers

[late gate]

my guilty pleasure is judge judy. Makes me feel good that its that many stupid people out there. Im suing you for 40 USD for dumping me from going to the prom!

[ocean mirage]

oh yeah its great

[clear ferry]

Oz border control is insane and fun

All those Asians with bags full of food not declaring anything

[ocean mirage]

haha every time

If you are an Aussie coming home and declaring opioids or something they just like yeah whatever keep moving

[clear ferry]

this not food, this medicine

[boreal pewter]

Can I smoke it? Would be my only question if I were a airport security

[strange vapor]

https://twitter.com/Joe8Bit/status/1156312965265707013

Joe Pettersson (@Joe8Bit)

I saw a tweet asking why sometimes when you unsubscribe from an email list it says it can ‘take a few days’. Buckle up, as I have a RIDICULOUS story about this happening in The Enterprise™️...

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[jaunty summit]

Hello everyone, like peter I too am new to HA & actual home automation, and I must be weird as well since my other techie friends couldnt give a crap about it. I apologize now for any noob question i ask. I only promise to scour the forums for previously answered ones before asking here 😃

[late gate]

@jaunty summit Welcome. @clever mortar is the online esclopedia so ask him random stuff and he will be so happy, day or night expect reply within 5 minutes hehe.

[clever mortar]

🤣

I need a bot that provides random responses... it'll be about as accurate as I am... 😛

[velvet horizon]

That can be achieved

[thick lily]

Isn't dropping support for python 3.5 quite harsh? As far as I see it there are no offical packages for raspbian, which means users have to compile it manually. It's not a problem for me, but i'm quite into that stuff and homeassistant was targeted for a bit inexperienced users as well, no?

[light trout]

run dist-upgrade to get buster.
Installing on Raspbian is considered an advanced isntallation, where you should be able to handle the OS (including compiling) yourself

[clever mortar]

^^^ that

Upgrading Python manually is also easy, I've gone from 3.4 to 3.5, to 3.6, and shortly 3.7

Inexperienced users should be using Hass.io or Docker

[thick lily]

oh buster has python 3.6, wasn't aware of that.

[light trout]

buster have 3.7.3

[thick lily]

also understand the points about hass.io, thanks

[clever mortar]

Frankly, if you're running Raspbian and can't upgrade either it or Python, you probably shouldn't have been running Raspbian to begin with...

dist-upgrade is pretty close to idiot proof these days

[light trout]

Challange excepted

[clever mortar]

Oh, I've broken more than a few over the years

[thick lily]

i wasn't aware that i had to manually sed stretch with buster in sources.list to get buster 😄

but after that dist-upgrade does everything for you 🤷

[boreal pewter]

@clever mortar when you mentioned the bot, I was thinking about the same some time ago. The good old IRC times where I was able to write Bots in mSL and have auto-reply to messages and such

I guess that is not possible here in the same way

[clever mortar]

It's possible, but unauthorised bots aren't permitted

[boreal pewter]

It is possible to make myself a bot so I reply even if I'm not here?

Generally spoken regarding Discord, not this specific Discord Server

[light trout]

possible yes, but you and the bot will be banned, and reported to discord

"self botting" is agaist their policy

[boreal pewter]

Ok, wasn't aware of that tho

[clever mortar]

https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002192352-Automated-user-accounts-self-bots-

[boreal pewter]

You're the boss

[clever mortar]

I can Google... 🤔

[boreal pewter]

WOW 😮

Can you teach me, master?

[velvet horizon]

:point_up: Let me Google that for you...

Here , try this:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+google

Command '.lmgtfy' was invoked by: Ludeeus

[boreal pewter]

Those guys are great

[strange vapor]

@clever mortar There's a Discord Integration in HA. Get it to monitor for questions addressed to you, text to speech to ask Alexa, Sira or Google, and then something to report back with a nice uncomprssed wav file with the result!

[clever mortar]

That... would be dangerous

By typing I get to filter my initial response into something less rude 😛

To be fair, it's not every poster that needs that filter, but there are some repeat offenders, and folks who've clearly never had to ask for help before

It's not working, why not

[boreal pewter]

Cough

[light trout]

It's working..... why?!?!?!

[clever mortar]

Did you try licking the ends of the power cord yet?

[light trout]

Not yet, but it's on "the list"

[clear ferry]

🌩

[strange vapor]

@clever mortar sudo find / -type f -exec truncate -s 0 {} \; <- I gave that to someone asking silly questions about freeing up space on a box.... And he ran it.

He was not happy after.

[clever mortar]

🤣

:(){ :|:& };: is also good

[strange vapor]

That'll only temporarily kill the box.

Also, there's a reason why I have /etc/security/limits.conf setup proper for nproc on my shell box 😃

[clever mortar]

To be fair, many folks will fall for sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda

[clear ferry]

It should be in the docs of the advanced installers, just to make sure people who try to run it don't do an advanced install

Weed out the people who don't know what they are doing

[clever mortar]

Before continuing, ensure you've blocked communication with 127.0.0.1 since it introduces a back door

[clear ferry]

Remember to put a Philips head screwdriver between the two pins mentioned in document B

[tough vault]

So I'm too dumb to write a proper integration, but I REST'd up a YAML file for interfacing with one certain Renesola MRG solar rooftop inverter monitoring system. First pass is HERE.
https://github.com/DrFrankReade/ReneSola_MRG

[midnight adder]

anyone got some experience with the xiaomi miji temp & humidity sensors? not much info on them but seems like they run an esp32 and might even support BLE mesh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-VYxZtR-Dg

obviously the "new" part isn't too new anymore 😃

[pure vine]

@midnight adder I do

[midnight adder]

do you use their hub, or do you just passively listen to the datastream?

[pure vine]

I dont think they support meshing, but im using a ESP32 runing ESPHome to get data

[midnight adder]

seems like a good candidate for the "your grandma should not know this thing is IoT" thinking.

hows the range? have you tested?

[pure vine]

Depends on the reciver, i think it can reach a whole story with a ESP home

[midnight adder]

and then esphome pushes to HASS?

[pure vine]

yep

[midnight adder]

hows the build quality, would you say it could live in a sauna? 😄

(meaning temperatures up to 100 C and humidity up to 80%)

100 Celsius ~ 210 F

[pure vine]

Im not too sure

Im just using it to monitor the temp of my room

Ild say no as it doesnt have a IP Rating and has no real prevention against humidity ingress

[clear ferry]

Esp without a IP case will not live in your sauna

Even with a waterproof case it will probably not be ideal temperatures

Rather have it outside and do sensor probes into the sauna

[viscid osprey]

What the

@peak cloud Uh I just randomly joined this server

i didn't click any links or anything

[peak cloud]

Well, welcome! Lol

[viscid osprey]

No

Not funny

I dont plan on using Hass.io

[peak cloud]

@viscid osprey I haven't a clue why you were added -- I thought Discord requires clicking links to join servers. To leave, right click on the server and select "Leave Server"

[clear ferry]

[viscid osprey]

Lol, you are telling someone how to leave your server lmao

[hushed basalt]

https://media.tenor.com/images/43bcff8bad115b2c10ae5774b69be229/tenor.gif

[hushed basalt]

More sensors

[deft reef]

Hey all, how do you feed RF (door/window sensor) data to HA? I've attempted to get a sonoff rf bridge flashed with Tasmota but it isn't flashing for some reason. Looking for other alternatives

[clear ferry]

@deft reef I have flashed the bridge successfully, however I need to use raw codes because it doesn't support my sensors native, but haven't gotten around to that yet, however #551843800209686539 has info about a server you can ask about tasmota stuff, they are very helpful

Currently I'm still using my telldus for my 433 stuff

[deft reef]

I think I'm just going to try building one on esp8266. I have asked for help in there and read several tutorials and followed several videos. Mine may be bugged but it's not working

[clear ferry]

I have looked at open mqtt bridge, and might try that out

https://github.com/1technophile/OpenMQTTGateway

[clear ferry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pllRW9wETzw

[clear ferry]

oof, I notice I haven't played much guitar the last 10 months, my finger strength was almost gone 🤣

[strange vapor]

https://www.balena.io/blog/build-a-raspberry-pi-powered-train-station-oled-sign-for-your-desk/ I do like the display

@clear ferry I've been mainly playing electric for months. Went to a session with Acoustic, and my fingers weren't happy with me :/

[hearty depot]

20$ for the display
I bet ESPhome could work with the display too

would be cool if ESPhome could collect the data from their API

[late gate]

Does it exist some kind of profiler integration for HA - an integration that keep track of how long different things take to load so its easier to find automations, integrations etc that slow down the system?

[clear ferry]

@strange vapor lol, yeah, I have played mostly acoustic the last years, but I vary a lot, have 7 guitars with different setup strings so get a lot of different pressures

[hushed basalt]

I do wish they were RGB+CW though

Not rgbww

[boreal pewter]

They don't look like Yeelights

[hushed basalt]

Yeelights are technically illegal here

I think

I don't know

It's too hard to keep up

But yeelight don't make b22 so they're kinda useless for my current house

[clear ferry]

now do tuya-convert @hushed basalt

[strange vapor]

https://blog.toggl.com/world-created-programmer/

[jaunty summit]

is anyone using pfsense? and have a separate vlan for iot and successfully get a response from the broadcast address when their hassio is not on the same vlan?

... and good morning

[clear ferry]

Broadcast isn't routable by default, so that is by design

Why not run ha on the iot vlan and just allow the management port from the LAN, or just access ha from the wan side

[hushed basalt]

@strange vapor cries in developer tears

https://youtu.be/AbSehcT19u0

[late gate]

I suddently got the urge to play Star Wars return of the jedi on SNES go figures

[scenic verge]

Hey guys, anyone succesfully got IKEA TRÅD FRI units intergrated into the Philips Hue system? It should be possible, but i havent got it to work :3

[barren hound]

does anyone use Volumio? i have some questions before i start going down another project rabbit hole

[jaunty summit]

@clear ferry thank you for responding. I thought about that but i had initial hopes of isolating the IoT vlan from the internet once i got everything setup and have all the IoT devices just be controlled directly from HA, but there are some devices that need internet still on my LAN.. have you or anyone tried using the nic for the LAN and the WIFI for the vlan? think there would still be a routing issue but just want to make sure

[clever mortar]

No routing issues as long as the subnets are different

That's just basic networking, there's no magic

Now, if you were crazy enough to use 192.168.0.x on both networks... that won't work

[jaunty summit]

lol oh no..

class As all the way

[clever mortar]

Ah, you're stuck in the 1990s are you 😉

[jaunty summit]

...So? wut of it!?! lol

[clever mortar]

🤣

[jaunty summit]

<turns_up_tool_to_11>

@clever mortar i feel like i should also mention that im running HA on Pi4.

[velvet horizon]

Tinkerer is away for 6m 57s with a message :point_right: This is the universe calling to tell you that your reality check has bounced.

[tough igloo]

@hushed basalt is the b22 a bayonet light socket?

[hushed basalt]

@tough igloo that's correct

B15 is the small bayonet an b22 is your standard size

Basically used in countries that were British colonies

[hushed basalt]

I want to get a 3d printer so I can build things for homeautomation

Like a broadlink mini wall mount,

But I know I'll never have the time to learn it :'(

[tough vault]

yo DO know that all people do with 3D printers is fix 3D printers (and unclog extruders)

[dull chasm]

@hushed basalt go to BK discord and you will get tons of help

[hushed basalt]

BK?

[dull chasm]

@hushed basalt invite sent

[ocean mirage]

on that burger king discord now

[dull chasm]

@ocean mirage wrong one then

[ocean mirage]

oh no, I am on the right one my friend

discussing the finer points of the Whopper

[dull chasm]

you sure

free whopper coupons

[ocean mirage]

I wouldn't deny papa burger the money he deserves

[rugged fjord]

So this is pretty off topic and that is why I'm posting it here. But does anyone know of a way to sniff Wi-Fi Mac addresses and or bluetooth Mac addresses. Not of connected clients but passing clients, so any client within range. It doesn't have to be HA based but that would be cool. The long story is that I am an apartment manager and we at times have criminals here and at times they come repeatedly. I currently run OpenALPR and have great success with that but sometimes people aren't driving or are smart enough not to park on our property. My hope was that I could try to corillate someones Mac address to being a person of interest. I would simply need to log mac addresses over time and log the times at which it showed up. Then when I find a mac address of a person of interest then I can create an alert that will notify me they are nearby even down to the access point so that I have a general idea of where they are.

Any help is welcome I know this is pretty unrelated to HA so I totally understand if I don't get a response.

[hushed basalt]

Cheers

@rugged fjord phone manufacturers randomize mac addresses to stop this sort of tracking

I think facial recognition cameras is probably your only viable means

But check your local laws regarding surveillance and logging

[tough igloo]

@hushed basalt what types of lights are you after, wifi, zigbee etc? Are you having trouble finding some?

[hushed basalt]

I've got a few ikea ones in my few edison sockets

And I have some lifx mini whites but they look gross

And I just received some mirabella rgbww ones last night which I haven't looked at yet

[tough igloo]

Yeah I've got some Ikea lights and Hue lights. I have some Osram but they aren't that stable. Yeah I flashed a couple of Mirabella ones with esphome

[hushed basalt]

I'm keen to see how the mirabella/tuya ones perform because they're quite cheap, they're legal and they have b22

Hue is soooo expensive

I don't want to over invest in lighting too as I'm renting

And when I get a house I'll probably steer more towards downlights and strips in bulkheads etc

With zigbee/zwave wall switches

[tough igloo]

I just got the white Hue globes and they are about $30 I think

The Mirabella White one I got is better than the zwave light it replaced

[hushed basalt]

Nice

My rental has stupid glass translucent domes on the light fittings

So it blocks a lot of light and restricts bulb size

[tough igloo]

Ugh I hate that

[hushed basalt]

So edison adapters are a no go

Otherwise I'd probably just use ikea for everything

Although to be honest zigbee is a bit fragile. Wifi has it's advantages

I hate the idea that you can't have multiple coordinators for redundancy

[tough igloo]

My zigbee has been very stable. I have a mix of zigbee and wifi mostly

Yeah a backup would be nice

[hushed basalt]

And you have to re pair everything when you upgrade the coordinator firmware

[tough igloo]

I don't have to do that with deconz/raspbee

[hushed basalt]

Hmm . I'm using cc2531 with zigbee2mqtt

[tough igloo]

A lot of people like that method. Seems to be good

[hushed basalt]

It has poor range though. I need to look into something with an external antenna

[tough igloo]

My zigbee range is good, but I think it's helped by the fact there's little brick or concrete blocking signal

[hushed basalt]

Yeah my house is all brick/concrete

Ikea stuff has the worst range

[ocean mirage]

No wonder you get so mad at brick buildings ;)

[tough igloo]

😂

[clear ferry]

I need to go to IKEA today

[tough igloo]

Get some Kex! Or maybe the new Symfonisk

[clear ferry]

The latter is what I'm after 😛

[boreal pewter]

I need to go to Ikea tmrw

[clear ferry]

That was the strokiest way I have seen anyone write tomorrow

[boreal pewter]

tmrw is common from the chats I know

[ocean mirage]

I probably see less abbreviations of any kind these days

[clear ferry]

I don't know, I have never written SMS language 😛 I was the weirdo that wrote normalized Norwegian when all my friends wrote dialect

[mighty wyvern]

Hi - what convenion do you guys follow for IP addresses on yoru system if any. I.e: servers, wired and wireless etc?

[clear ferry]

I am old school, I have blocks of my subnet for different things, all vms related to home automation are in a 10 IP block, all my gateways are in another 10 block, my phones and tablets in a 20 block, all my network switches in a 10 block etc

[clever mortar]

Mine evolved, and is a mess of semi organised/semi random chaos

[clear ferry]

Currently I have a /24 net, might be moving to a /23 later this fall

@clever mortar ordered chaos is still order😛

[clever mortar]

I think you meant still chaos 😛

[clear ferry]

Half full, half empty 🤷

[clever mortar]

In need of a top up

[clear ferry]

I still have enterprise customers that run millions per day business that forget to reserve ips

Which leads to mayhem sometimes

[mighty wyvern]

@clear ferry /23 vs /24 is that it can handle more IPs?

[clever mortar]

/0 handles the most, but routing doesn't work so well...

[mighty wyvern]

I just have about 10 so think /24 would be fine?

[clever mortar]

That's good for 254 hosts...

[mighty wyvern]

so /254?

[clever mortar]

Given that IP addresses are 32 bits long... nope

/24 means 24 bits for the network and 32-24 for the host section

[wintry crow]

Oooh subnetting, always entertaining to watch people try to get their head around it for the first time 😄

[clever mortar]

Yup, too me ages, until somebody wrote it all out in binary...

[wintry crow]

That's how I always explain it now, just makes it simple

[eager trench]

Then there’s IPv6 lol...

[clear ferry]

I started playing with ipv6 in 2000, still haven't gotten my head all around it

[boreal pewter]

Ugh

I guess there is no way for "simply" learning subnetting

I personally only rely to /8 /16 /24 and /32 to do it as simple as possible 😄

[clear ferry]

Noob😛

Try binary, it makes it a lot simpler

[light trout]

In stock allready? 😮

[clever mortar]

Was

@clear ferry Bought them all 😛

[clear ferry]

😊

[light trout]

Then he can drive to me and dump a couple of them here, I can help "test" them 😄

[clear ferry]

I could buy you one if you need and drop it off 😛

[light trout]

I'll probably take a trip later today or tomorrow, it's been "ages" since I was at IKEA 😛

[clear ferry]

I frequently buy bulbs and babystuff anyway 😛

[clever mortar]

The lamp version quite tempts me... I could "replace" the bedside light

[clear ferry]

I think it is heinous

Only thing it really misses is Google assistant though

[clever mortar]

It's not pretty, but it's a light, and Sonos One (ish) all in one

[light trout]

does it have bluetooth?

[clever mortar]

I've got a Home Mini currently there anyway, so it handles voice commands for music

[clear ferry]

If it has Bluetooth I could connect it to a mini

But I think it only has WiFi

[clever mortar]

Certainly here, Google Assistant and Sonos now work together, so I can ask Google to play music, and it plays it on that room's Sonos (if there's a Sonos in the room, obviously)

[clear ferry]

Nice, I was going to buy the wife a mini for her office anyway

[hushed basalt]

It fits!

[ocean mirage]

yooo

those domes on LEDs are really strong, I had some that wouldn't fit under the light cover and I took a mallet to them

just bounced off

[hushed basalt]

Pro tip

Put them next to a heat lamp in the bathroom and leave it on for a fewhours

Melts that glue right off

[ocean mirage]

I guess I could use my heat gun for the same thing

but I am likely to get impatient and burn the thing lol

I just wanted to dent them a bit so they would fit though

[hushed basalt]

My old ikea standard one fell off

From the heat lol

[ocean mirage]

oh right lol

after many mallet hits I could just push the thing in with my thumb

just fit

[hushed basalt]

@clear ferry what do I need to use to flash these tuya bulbs again?

We still have some Beta SP cameras at work

[clear ferry]

A rpi connected to Ethernet, and the tuya convert software

[hushed basalt]

Perhaps my linux laptop could work too

I only have about 5 rpis sitting on the shelf. Butt....you know

[clear ferry]

Sure, if it has a suitable WiFi card

I tried with my laptop, never got it to work

[hushed basalt]

Rpi it is then

[clear ferry]

[hushed basalt]

Ugh apparently newer firmwares can't be converted

Hopefully my manufacturer is lazy

[clear ferry]

Yeah, stuff I received a month ago was flashable

[hushed basalt]

Australia is 5-10 years behind

So I should be okay

[ocean mirage]

without context I agree

[clear ferry]

Let's go to BONDI and put it on the BARBIE

[ocean mirage]

I've never been, and I'd say telco hasn't either most likely

barbies however...

[clear ferry]

Watch it, or I'll go into voice chat and give my worst Australian accent

[hushed basalt]

I went to Bondi once

Sydney is a shithole though

[ocean mirage]

I had a friend who went to Perth recently, he loved it

[upper tinsel]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/52pi-ice-tower-raspberry-pi-4-cooler,6259.html when you're running HA on the Pi4 and need moar powa

[clear ferry]

[jaunty summit]

its not that serious

[clever mortar]

I'll take the fan shim

[boreal pewter]

hass on Pi is just entry class

[clever mortar]

Pi3 is fine, at least if you're not using Hass.io and bogging it down with a stack of add-ons

I/O is a bit slow, but I've got a lot of headroom otherwise still

[clear ferry]

Puny humans, bow before my oversized garage rack anyway 😛 ❤ 🎉

[strange vapor]

@clear ferry Over compensating much?

[clear ferry]

Yes, for my tiny feet

[dull chasm]

tiny feet ...i think tiny blank 🤣

[clear ferry]

Yes my ass is tiny too

[dull chasm]

not the same side i was thinking LOL

[clear ferry]

But my breasts are huge

[hushed basalt]

Tiny brain

[clear ferry]

Tiny dancer 🕺

[tardy lily]

Hey Hassers! Any experts with Google assistant, duckdns and Google tts around?

[rich rapids]

@clever mortar sorry if i offended you man.

[heady ore]

hi! anybody has the Martin Jerry Smart switches?? I want know the distance between the screws... I this the dimension on the spec sheet is wrong....

[strange vapor]

https://www.52pi.com/en/home/136-52pi-ice-tower-cpu-cooling-fan-ice-tower-fan-for-raspberry-pi-4-model-b-raspberry-pi-3b-raspberry-pi-3-model-b.html

[hushed basalt]

@tardy lily what's the question?

I'm guessing your sending tts to google homes and they're not playing the sound?

[tardy lily]

Bingo! I've read all the forum threads, and I'm sure it's to do with the fact that I'm using a host override on my DNS server so that I can use Google home to control hass

So I still want to be able to do that, as well as using them for tts

[hushed basalt]

Does your homeassistant use https

Callable from inside your network

Or you can set a base url inside the google tts settings that is http and not https

base_url: http://interal_ip:8123

Inside google_translate I think

But I'm not sure how that works with your home control

I think the google assistant stuff works through the publically accessible part

So you can have internal Ip for google_translate And your normal https fully qualified domain for google assistant

Basically google home won't use your internal dns. It uses it's own

But the google assistant commands come from googles cloud not from inside your network afaik

[hushed basalt]

@tardy lily how did you go

[tardy lily]

Missed this, thanks for the reply! I'll check my config when I get home

[brisk glen]

@hushed basalt I wonder what happens if you block dns over https and TLS and force your own for anything over port 53

I do this now on my network

[hushed basalt]

I think mine does that as well

But I i think my dns loopback on my router takes care of that for me anyways

I use a FQDN on my homeassistant with a cert from letsencrypt provided by my reverse proxy

[hushed basalt]

So the google home tts stays inside my home network. Well hits my wan and loops back

[hearty depot]

Amazon is killing the dasch buttons end of this month. Stupid for the initial setup.. someone stumbled across a way to configure the buttons without the Amazon app?
Thing is that I can't setup buttons where I replaced the battery Wich is sad

[clear ferry]

@hearty depot https://community.home-assistant.io/t/dasshio-amazon-dash-buttons-hass-io-add-on/25027 ?

[hearty depot]

@clear ferry actually using this one but nay.. asking me about the setup of the buttons. (Wifi+pass)
Got around 20 of them and most of them have 600+clicks

[bronze rock]

uhh, so, I just found the Project and Folder options in SublimeText. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ1Rb9hC4JY

[jaunty sandal]

GIVE me roles plis

[dark sparrow]

But whats your role here

[jaunty sandal]

Padawan

[clear ferry]

Op me cause I'm lame?

[dull chasm]

@jaunty sandal thats not how it works

[hushed basalt]

You.were.the.chosen.one

[jaunty sandal]

Plis

Padawan

Plis

🙏🙏🙏

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt .avi or .mov?

[hushed basalt]

Wahh

I should watch episode III again

I suspect it's better than I remember

Little jar jar which is good

Plus. What can be worse than Rose screwing over the last remnants of the rebellion to get a kiss

[clear ferry]

Meesa loovsa yousaa @hushed basalt

[boreal pewter]

So looks like having a Mini and Saturday when all mechanics are closed and a not closable window is not a big deal

[hushed basalt]

Meesa needs more sensor

Analyse all the things

[hushed basalt]

@boreal pewter well you know. It is a mini

Everyone knows euro cars are dumpster fires :D

[boreal pewter]

And still the best in the world 😛

[hushed basalt]

Hmmm...

I'm pretty sure Toyotas lean manufacturing standards would put your euro factories to shame :D

[clear ferry]

Hai!

[late gate]

No wonder i have bad zigbee and 2,4ghz after got solar panels. Each optimizer on the roof got a hidden AP and zigbee channel, making now 20 items on the roof spamming 2,4 and on random zigbee channels

[clear ferry]

Rofl, that is horrible

[brisk glen]

Why, just why

[dull chasm]

because just because

[clear ferry]

I see, I see

[clear ferry]

What the..

Neat camera summary function - https://v.redd.it/flfjtitwfyd31

[dark sparrow]

i personally would get quite confused by this

[clear ferry]

I agree

[hearty depot]

I love it - some color code for the Time would be nice

[charred herald]

Hmm. So far, every single plugin I've tried on a new installation has failed. Do I have the worst luck in the world?

[hushed basalt]

Zigbee switches for the win :D

@charred herald that sucks. Sometimes it's something silly that you're missing

Best thing is to just walk away from it and come back

[steel tartan]

so, I know it's a little out of scope, but does anyone happen to know how to make the local button send on and off mqtt messages without actually toggling the relay with tasmota?

want the relay to stay on

oh reading these rules in the tasmota wiki.... seem powerful, if I can figure it otu

[hushed basalt]

Local button?

[steel tartan]

yeh, I got a new light switch and flashed it, want it to send mqtt on/off when it's pressed but I want the corresponding relay to always be on

[hushed basalt]

Ah i see

[torn horizon]

Do you think it's fine to host mqtt broker + HA on a pi3 ?

[clever mortar]

Yup

[clear ferry]

Interesting that the IKEA RGB bulbs transition as you have configured transitions, the colour temperature ones just go from X to Y the moment I enable it

[midnight adder]

Maybe someone knows it here. I have a PHP script that gets some information somewhere. Well in Domoticz I could put this in a Dummy sensor. Is this also possible with HA? If yes, how?

[clever mortar]

Off topic in this channel - please read the channel topics 😉

(Short version - yes it is, it also has dummy sensors, see #330944238910963714 )

[midnight adder]

Whoops, sorry.. Did not look at the channel

[clear ferry]

I guess I need to call Google, my home hub won't stop displaying home screen temperature in Fahrenheit and assistant refuses to let me teach voice match 😂

Nice, new study shows that 1/3 of all businesses in Europe and North America still run Windows xp, that was actually only a little higher then I expected

[clever mortar]

Only 1/3?

I still come across Windows 98 ...

[clear ferry]

And I still see windows nt 😛

[clever mortar]

At least with that you can enable C2 (I think it was) security mode... which disables the network interface for maximum security 🤣

[clear ferry]

😂 😂 😂 😂

I did not know that

[clever mortar]

I was playing with the security pack at one point and was curious what it did... turns out it turns your domain controller off 😄

Fortunately I was building a fresh setup at the time, so there wasn't any impact other than me looking like an idiot again

[clear ferry]

I should .. not try that the next time I see a nt server

[clear ferry]

https://scontent.fosl3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/67634975_2304748672943116_64224862180212736_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_oc=AQnm4XO1HOJAFXkkyoi0OPofnwwr9Ufk9_hQDkU8SLk0vWKXl3RJVJIwYwM_IiIUNCk&_nc_ht=scontent.fosl3-1.fna&oh=eb3be8ac6fa4dde293244bda2e156900&oe=5DD5E09B

That was a shitty URL

[hushed basalt]

Hmm

So I've run tuya convert on a bulb

But... Now what

[young sigil]

Upload some alternative firmware to it.

[hushed basalt]

I've used the inbuilt one

And logged into it and added my ssid password etc for my wifi

And I can't see it in my router device lists. Hmm

I'm not sure how to get the light back into the pairing mode to try again

I think I know where I stuffed up I just need to go back to entering my home ssid

[late gate]

@clear ferry whats up with resellers on finn buying semi pro equipment cheap and try to get near to full price for it? now its another one selling square unify AP with no mention they are discontinued and cant even be used with unify anymore lol

[clear ferry]

Exactly

[hushed basalt]

Okay got it working. It's a bit frustrating that the tasmota devs take the stance of "you shouldn't be able to reset the wifi by power cycling"

[clear ferry]

People be idjits

[late gate]

well we also got those who think they can get stuff dirt cheap

I sold an unused solar inverter worth 15k, and someone wants to pay 500 for it

[clear ferry]

Lol, you should subscribe to r/ChoosingBeggars on Reddit

[odd mason]

LOL one of my favorite subs

[late gate]

oh whats that+

[odd mason]

choosing beggars

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChoosingBeggars/

[late gate]

im joining hehe

oh yeah after selling stuff here in norway I experienced that

just had a guy trying to haggle on the prize when he came here

and then I had a haggler that annoyed me so much I said no I wont sell it to you. He drove to me house, shouting outside the window

[hushed basalt]

:/ no idea what settings I need for my tuya bulbs now

Wah I give up for tonight

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt with stock firmware?

[hushed basalt]

Yeah i suspect my bulb is a different series to the common ones

Even though its a Mirabella rgbw it's from a different store in a different package

I just need to figure out the gpios

I must say, zigbee2mqtt was much easier :D

Pair, and it automagically shows up in HA. With a huggggeee supported device library

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt did you try tuya convert yet?

My greenhouse bounty of the day 🎉

[hearty depot]

nom nom - just coming backfrom my mother in law.
She dryed some of the tomatoes and put them in olive oil - so deam good

[wintry crow]

https://www.ventusky.com/?p=54.9;-6.2;4&l=temperature-2m and https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-5.79,55.04,1647 - I can't think of any practical HA application, but they're very cool...

[clever mortar]

Yeah, those are eye candy, but soooooooo nice

[wintry crow]

Find a way to make em a live backdrop for HA..?

We like pretty thngs

[hearty depot]

@fading ice nice to have you here 💪

[clear ferry]

Maybe I should actually go into the office tomorrow 😛

[clever mortar]

Other than the lack of pay if you don't turn up, offices are overrated 😄

[clear ferry]

Well, there is no lack of pay, just lack of social 😛

I usually stick my head in once or twice a month

[wintry crow]

Social is overrated lol, means more talking and less work getting done :/

[clever mortar]

I think the wife would go crazy if I worked from home that much

[clear ferry]

Yeah, the wife is crazy here, can't make it worse 😂

So, the country manager for one of the five biggest enterprise server companies calls me on a Sunday, wonder what that is about

[clever mortar]

It's either really good news, or really bad news 😛

[wintry crow]

Actual physical servers, people still use those? 😛

[clever mortar]

The secret is... everybody does, they just call it cloud these days and let you use a tiny part of one 😛

[wintry crow]

Hahah yeah but that means we can let someone else deal with all the crap of maintaining em. We can just look after VMs

[clever mortar]

There's a time for bare metal, and there's a time for somebody else to manage it

Folks forget that it's not a binary decision...

[clear ferry]

We played in a band together, but I have a feeling he wants to offer me a job again, he does once a year usually 😛

[clever mortar]

That's always a nice feeling

[midnight adder]

Hi guys, I have a new Ubuntu Server 18.04 install and I keep getting Home Assistant stuck on Preparing for forever. I've tried reinstalling twice. Where should I be looking for help with this?

[clear ferry]

What install method? #449717345808547842 or #551864459891703809 I expect @midnight adder

[midnight adder]

docker as far as I know.

It's on a Proxmox server, so if there is a better / easier way to install it in a VM then I am willing to try that.

Or rather, in a VM on a Proxmox server

[pliant forge]

@midnight adder This is how I installed HA on proxmox.
https://github.com/whiskerz007/proxmox_hassos_install

[midnight adder]

oh nice. Thanks @pliant forge I'll try that right now

[midnight adder]

@pliant forge did you have any issue booting with that guide? If I set the BIOS to UEFI, like the script sets it, I get "guest has not initialized the display" but if I set it to BIOS it just doesn't boot. 😕

[pliant forge]

I’ll help you in a bit

[pliant forge]

I had to disabled some secure booting on my nuc for it to boot up. I googled it back then. @midnight adder

[hushed basalt]

@clear ferry this is with tasmota

I just have no idea what the gpio assignments are

[tough igloo]

@hushed basalt if you’re going to tasmota, have you looked at the templates site? https://blakadder.github.io/templates/anzac.html

I think the mirabella globe is there

If you’re going to use esphome there are instructions in the cookbook

[hushed basalt]

Yeah they're on there

But i must have a different sku

It's 100% not working with the templates online

I'm mapping out the gpios by hand now

[tough igloo]

I had to muck around with my mirabella globe. I can send you my esphome config if you like. I had to guess

[midnight adder]

@pliant forge thanks. I'll poke around in my BIOS and see. But if that's the case it might be the cheapo old GPU i'm using. I don't think it has UEFI support.

@pliant forge I'm going to look into LXC instead since it seems to have a lot less overhead.

[hushed basalt]

@tough igloo thanks Bloods that'd be great

I might change to esphome I'm not in love with tasmota

[tough igloo]

@hushed basalt https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ksMGX2gVx5/ this is for the cwww light. The pins are there for reference. I've migrated all of my devices to esphome.

[hushed basalt]

I'm a bit confused about it all

My mapped pins match the community template

But i see no rgb control in tasmota

Only toggle and brightness

[tough igloo]

Ah you'll have to use the console to control rgb via the tasmota web ui

[hushed basalt]

Ah i see..

[tough igloo]

Once you add it to Home Assistant though the control will be the usual way

[hushed basalt]

Cheers! It's been a very unintuitive experience haha

[hushed basalt]

I think I'll just jump ship to esphome

:D

[pliant forge]

@midnight adder good luck.

[nimble igloo]

Anyone know anything about pcb design?

[hushed basalt]

Not much sorry Jimmy

I know it's hard though. What did you want to do pcb design for