#the-water-cooler

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rain swift
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for anyone interested

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let's see if this turd craps out again, I've never had an issue with reservations before, but maybe it's a docker thing.

clear ferry
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Expiring leases for reservations sounds like an oxymoron, I have never seen a device do it, sure it renews before the lease is up, but that is irrelevant, and the address will never be assigned to another device

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If memory serves right the client will renew when the lease has 50% life left, then if the server is unavailable it will retry at every 50% left life, so if it actually expires the client or server is offline for longer than the lease time

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Even my enterprise customers mostly don't use static anymore, it was prevalent like 10 years ago,but I would say 90% of everything I work on these days are reservations 🤷

unreal orbit
sturdy juniper
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@clear ferry figured we should take this convo to the lounge...

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this is the new version of that chip..

clear ferry
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Looked less made in a small garage 😂

sturdy juniper
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sweet, this lil guy is spi and i2c.. can integrate some other sensors into a cloud lamp.

clear ferry
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I love inspiring madness 😂 😂 😂

rustic lava
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Hi , my name is Anders and im from Sweden.. I have a problem with hassio and Rfxtrx, dont know where to turn 😃 anyone that maby can help? wich group should i write in? 😃

clever mortar
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@rustic lava The channel topics and names give pretty big hints 😉

rustic lava
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haha yes, couldnt find a rfx one ! 😄 Thanks bro

light trout
clever mortar
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There isn't a channel per component

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We've got some 1.3K components after all

clear ferry
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@clever mortar we should get someone to fix that! I feel the server isn't cluttered enough yet!

pallid path
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good morning all. ıt could little off topic but is there any one use raspbee with a tinkerboard

fathom steeple
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Hey! What do people generally use with hassio as presence sensors?

velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
sharp cosmos
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Is it too much to ask for functional, powered motors for string/cord blinds?

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They all seem to be crazy expensive or use Bluetooth instead of something sensible that would be easily integrated

dull chasm
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@clever mortar cant believe i added all this automation and forgot the most important one

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clever mortar
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🤣

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Now you need a load cell so you can remind yourself when the supply is getting low

dull chasm
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hey good idea

clever mortar
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If it's sensitive enough it could tell you if somebody's taking beers out while you're away too

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😛

dull chasm
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and house say hey b^%$ go get some beer

clever mortar
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I'd love to hear how that works out for you 😉

dull chasm
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well it could only go one of two ways

clever mortar
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  1. You end up in hospital
  2. you sleep in the garden for a month
    ?
dull chasm
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pretty much ....

upper tinsel
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@sturdy juniper thats pretty neat - wonder how it works... senses static electricity in the air?

valid halo
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Hey guys. I have the perfect toaster for y'all.

sharp cosmos
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I think you can get toasters that use sensors to detect how much it’s toasted which might be a little more accurate? 🤔

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Or just get one with a glass side

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Tbh we’ve really struggled to get a reliable toaster. Our current one seems to be uneven

dull chasm
vital lance
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interesting issue... I have managed to get Nginx Proxy Manager running... but there is much I don't think I understand on how it handles IP addressing and DNS, anyone have experience with it and maybe can provide some insight on how it deal with IP?

clever mortar
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So... two separate things

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Mostly, it doesn't handle DNS

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You define a hostname in the config, and what do to when somebody connects with that hostname in the request

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So you can define an entry for kipper.myhouse.net and if your browser says that's what it wants, that's what it gets

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Regardless of whether DNS for that exists

vital lance
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yeah, my bad, I should been more clear... I know it doesn't provide a bind service of sorts, but am trying to understand how it decides what is a 502 and what isn't ....

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let me explain what i am seeing ... maybe that will help clarify my mush-mouthing 😃

clever mortar
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Usually 502 means that the service behind NGINX isn't responding

vital lance
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I turn off SSL completely.... because that doesn't work right now.... we will get to that in a bit

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if I tell it to use 127.0.0.1 ... 502

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oh crap

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nevermind

clever mortar
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🤣

vital lance
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writing that down i see my problem

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its a docker instance

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sigh

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sometimes I should just ask myself question in notepad

clever mortar
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Having somebody to bounce stuff off so often helps

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Rubber duck debugging is the term I believe

vital lance
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at least it would save me the embasiment

clever mortar
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Meh, we've all done that kind of thing

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Or worse

vital lance
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oh ... so interestingly if I leave the IP address on... and turn on ssl it 502's again .... but I am betting that is because the service wants to see a domain name with that cert

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not a private ip

clever mortar
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It should be fine if NGINX is doing the SSL and the service behind isn't

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That's how I run HA

vital lance
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right... but ... hmm give me a second to ponder that

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ok then, how do I make HA stop trying to be SSL behind NGINX

clever mortar
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Remove the SSL config lines from configuration.yaml

vital lance
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hmm I don't think I have them there

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let me check

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nope

clever mortar
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If you don't have ssl_certificate and ssl_key in http: then HA isn't going to do SSL itself

vital lance
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then maybe thats not the issue

clever mortar
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trusted_proxies: 127.0.0.1?

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That won't work if you're on Docker 😉

valid halo
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Gosh

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even on a linux VM bluetooth tracker doesn't work for device tracker

clever mortar
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Seriously

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Don't waste your time with the built in tracker 😛

valid halo
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well actually I have a secondary problem I think

clever mortar
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If nothing else, ditching the built in tracker shaved five minutes off my startup times

vital lance
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ok .. now... now I have seen everything

valid halo
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when I'm using it with my linux VM. it has a really awful RSSI

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like -104

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compared to around -50 in my PC chair

clever mortar
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Use a USB extension cable with your Bluetooth dongle?

valid halo
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No.

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It's plugged right into my pc

clever mortar
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Try an extension cable

valid halo
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okay

clever mortar
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They can make an unexpectedly big difference

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Basically, you move them away from a noisy RF environment

vital lance
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OK yall got to see this

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this is bonkers

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right ?

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but when ya click on the page....

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it redirects ya to https

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AND WORKS!! flawlessly

clever mortar
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You're using the add-on?

vital lance
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yeah

clever mortar
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Might be worth discussing that in the community add-on Discord server

vital lance
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... oh

clever mortar
vital lance
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man I am just running a screw up tab today

valid halo
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This is fucking weird

clever mortar
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No screw up @vital lance

valid halo
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VM shut down and windows using BT? -53 RSSI

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VM up and using it? -104 or not seen at all

clever mortar
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We can help with most things here, but if there's a weird thing with the add-on, our ability to help is limited

valid halo
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and i've already been digging into hciiconfig and bccmd for like an hour

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trying to scream at it "MORE POWER"

vital lance
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lol last night I spent 3 hours trying to get a rock64 to run x86 code ... so ... yeah no more midnight tinkering for me ... im getting to old for it

clever mortar
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🤣

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That just means you needed more ☕

valid halo
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ugh

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why can windows give it power but VM can't seem to

vital lance
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my reasoning was "it looked like a rasberry pi"

valid halo
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Okay I'll install monitor

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Okay it's installed

wintry crow
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Anyone use cairo dock? It's saying "couldn't find the corresponding desciption file" for discord

valid halo
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I think I got working

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though I get a "curl not a command error"

clever mortar
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What's the actual error?

sturdy juniper
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@clever mortar , have you setup AFreyer's Monitor for your setup?

clever mortar
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Yup

clear ferry
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@valid halo Linux VM under Windows ? For production stuff... 🤢

sturdy juniper
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Oh for sure.. I've read it, and re-read his github page, in case there were updates there. I get all the nodes setup and communicating just fine. I can get it to pick up my phone (at least on one of them), but I got stuck somewhere. I'm planning to rip out the HA side configs, and start over with that. Also, found there's a side project for AppDaemon that's in the works.. I don't know AppDaemon yet, so I haven't done much with that. (https://github.com/andrewjfreyer/monitor/pull/12)

valid halo
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it seems to work just fine. It just fails at getting any manufacturer information

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Now i just have to figure out how the MQTT works for it XD

lofty atlas
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Anyone in the east coast celebrating in 3 mins?

sturdy juniper
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I've been celebrating all day

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it's a beautiful day in texas

lofty atlas
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Yea I'm in central time so I got an hour to go but I'll celebrate with them.

sturdy juniper
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You're a trooper, doing more than your share!

lofty atlas
midnight adder
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Hey @valid halo

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How's your day?

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A smart joint roller... Can you make an automation to smoke it for you too?

lofty atlas
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You can set a reminder notification perhaps

sturdy juniper
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we can't let the machines have all the fun

midnight adder
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True, true.

clever mortar
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But... why should humans have all the fun...
This message brought to you by your robot overlords

midnight adder
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Please pass the joint human.

lofty atlas
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Because AI can just simulate the perfect fun for themselves, it's not fair.

sturdy juniper
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I know it's a cigar, but close enough to sell it

midnight adder
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Looks pretty close

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Maybe someone can do some presence detection with deepstack to determine if anyone is taking too long, or talking with the joint and flash the lights ominously.

lofty atlas
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It's a clover not a leaf but close enough

midnight adder
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It's just a natural mutation of the cannabis leaf

sturdy juniper
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it's actually a piece of the US Constitution

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lol, i saw the clover now.

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lol

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haha

midnight adder
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Ooohh, the cigar. lmao

sturdy juniper
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can i post a link to a song on spotify here?

lofty atlas
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link the whole playlist

sturdy juniper
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specifically, I miss home

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My good friend is the artist, and his high school buddy is the lyrical talent on that one.

midnight adder
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That's a cool integration discord did there

sturdy juniper
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I had no idea it would do that.. i dig it.

midnight adder
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Where are you from anyway?

sturdy juniper
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DFW area in Texas

midnight adder
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Dallas, eh? Did you move for work? Studies?

lofty atlas
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Yea I like that

sturdy juniper
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I've lived here all my life. North dallas suburbs

midnight adder
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@lofty atlas Yeah, it is pretty nice

sturdy juniper
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@lofty atlas He normally does a lot of lo-fi stuff, or chill type music. Dormin was him testing new stuff.

midnight adder
sturdy juniper
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Also check out his 8-bit album he did with his brother, if you're into that kind of thing. 😃

lofty atlas
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Are they royalty free?

sturdy juniper
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no, he's labeled. At least Human Centerpiece is. I'm sure he's on with Home World too...

midnight adder
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Human Centipede?

sturdy juniper
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Centerpiece.

midnight adder
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Oh, right

sturdy juniper
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😄

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gtg. Heading to his house to listen in on the new stuff. Happy green day to everyone

midnight adder
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Oh nice!!! Sky mirror is sweet!

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I like that song

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*the sound of it

sturdy juniper
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give him some love!

lofty atlas
sturdy juniper
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Congrats!

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i'm not a gambler.. slippery slope with my family..

lofty atlas
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I don't like gambling either but I do like making money if I have the edge. I'm still working on the math to see exactly when I do have the edge but I'm off to a good start.

midnight adder
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So, what does the stake and return mean? Amount bet and amount won?

lofty atlas
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yea I bet my starting amount of $25 and now I have $34 in my account.

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I'll probably withdraw it and work on my math but I was surprised they even let me play being in the US

hearty depot
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🤔
An Idea how I can save iptables on hassbian?
They are lost after every reboot
sudo sh -c "iptables-save > /etc/iptables/rules.v4"?

midnight adder
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Hmmm, just don't forget to report your winnings for taxation :p

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Oh, wait. In the states you guys don't have taxes on that kinda thing, right?

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@hearty depot Not sure, service iptables-save > your_iptable ?

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No, no. service iptables save

hearty depot
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was just the first gogle outcome - Idk yet

midnight adder
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That's all I did

hearty depot
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well sudo iptables-saveisnt sticky enough as it seems

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worked well on ubuntu

midnight adder
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I've got to get more organized on my bench. It's so easy to misplace a tool when I just set them down anywhere

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Even if I just put it down...

valid halo
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Oh hey it works now 😄

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I just activated mosquitto on my host windows machine and had monitor connect to it and now it gets the RSSI and everything

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neat.

midnight adder
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Nice... Still working on your bluetooth implementation?

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I'm kind-of at a loss about how to ground myself in my room. I can't find any exposed metal

clever mortar
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Got any wall sockets?

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You should be able to buy an earthing plug and strap easily enough

midnight adder
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Yes, the screws are painted thouh

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Oh, right. That's a good idea

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Hmm.. How to do this... I don't have anything to cut off the live and neutral prongs

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googles

valid halo
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What chu upto SAN?

midnight adder
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is trying to find a ground in her room for some soldering work on an ESP8266

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I should test if the wiring is correct on this socket before I do that, I guess

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You know, @clever mortar I saw this method mentioned before but I just discounted it because, well... I don't have any idea about what i'm doing. Just seems strange to connect my strap to an outlet. But I guess if the breaker is off it should be fine.

clever mortar
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If you're using a proper grounding plug it's perfectly safe and normal

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I've used those many times over the years

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If you jury rigged something...

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Well, it was nice talking to you 😉

midnight adder
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Oh, cool. Okay. What's a proper grounding plug? I was just going to cut the end off an extra AC cord I have

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lmao...

clever mortar
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You'll have similar things wherever you are in the world

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Just Google for ground plug or grounding plug

midnight adder
valid halo
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please be careful with the zappy zaps

midnight adder
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Okay, I won't plug myself into anything XD I'll just put on shoes and ground myself in the living room and come back

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Till I get a grounding plug anyway...

clever mortar
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From personal experience, I can confirm that getting hit with (UK) mains voltage is no fun, and you should avoid it

midnight adder
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D:
Glad you survived

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I guess I could take the plate off this outlet and... tape a wire to the receptacle box and run it to my desk? Is that a thing?

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And just attach my strap to that

clever mortar
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Well, I've only "tickled" myself a few times... thankfully fuses blow, or RCDs trip, or other safety features kick in

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You could probably earth yourself via any PC you've got

midnight adder
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Well, it's a notebook, wait. It's brushed aluminum. I was thinking it's painted.

clever mortar
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The case of that may not be earthed

midnight adder
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Ah...

clever mortar
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If it was a desktop PC, that case would most likely be earthed

midnight adder
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What if I smush my fingers at the pins of it's charger... haha

clever mortar
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I'd either (a) say fsck it and take the risk, (b) buy a proper earthing plug

midnight adder
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Yeah. I've been doing a). I put on shoes which have a rubber sole and touched one of the exposed electrical receptacles in another room, and that's the best I can do for now

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Thanks for the earthing plug idea, guys

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Speaking of worst practices... Does anyone else solder without one of those fancy fan and filters? lmao... #diy-archivedlife

valid halo
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fucking A

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Monitor is WORKING

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Only took me five hours

midnight adder
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Oh, the MQTT monitor?

valid halo
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Yup

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Showing a confidence that I am here of 0%

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tfw even home assistant refuses to acknowledge you exist

midnight adder
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Nice... Eh?

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XD

last plaza
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@valid halo have you tried mqttfx?

valid halo
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mqttfx?

last plaza
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yup - it is an app that you can connect to any MQTT and watch traffic realtime

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it is a java app, you can download for free

midnight adder
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Oh yeah!!! How is it better than mosquitto_sub though?

last plaza
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it is a pretty advanced GUI

midnight adder
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Or, maybe not better, but different from

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Ahhh, nice.

last plaza
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you can subscribe to multiple topics, also publish data, does JSON conversion...etc

valid halo
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GUI is mmm

midnight adder
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Sounds decent. I've heard it recommended by others too

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Shhh! Don't let CLI hear you say that

light trout
midnight adder
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Java is good for flavoring cigarettes

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*too

light trout
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maybe as long as it is consumed by a human and not a computer I'm happy 😄

midnight adder
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Oh, of course fellow human.

last plaza
valid halo
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I'm learning java programming

last plaza
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why?

light trout
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My condolances

last plaza
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😂

light trout
valid halo
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my college class is having me learn it

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CISY-103 Computer Concepts and Programming

last plaza
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time to change the college

light trout
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Aaaah, it's a warning class on what not to do probably 😛

last plaza
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lmao

light trout
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The JavaZone vids are funny 😄

valid halo
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No no we're learning how to program and we've got projects and shit

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all in java

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though sometimes she screws up and leaves C code in from her other class

midnight adder
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Anyone use a watery type of no-clean flux pen? First time trying it. It seems to dry up pretty quick. Not really sure if it is still effective after dry.

midnight adder
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Hmm... I was soldering an ESP8266 breakout board to a perfboard. I wonder if I should trim the headers now.

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lol.. I'm trimming the header pins and they're going flying everywhere

midnight adder
south dawn
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good evening 😃

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is there a way to get the time of a previous state? I like to make a copy of a stream if the motion detedtion goes from on to off. but i also need the time that it turend on. maybe even 30 sec bevor

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hmm.. maybe i should delay the stream for 30 seconds, start the recording on motion on and somehow stop it on off

midnight adder
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Damn... fatal error. Soldered my data pin to GPIO0 instead of 15.

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GPIO #0, which does not have an internal pullup, and is also connected a red LED. This pin is used by the ESP8266 to determine when to boot into the bootloader. If the pin is held low during power-up it will start bootloading! That said, you can always use it as an output, and blink the red LED - note the LED is reverse wired so setting the pin LOW will turn the LED on.

midnight adder
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lol... now I have this damn red LED on all the time. fml

valid halo
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I've been reading about the GIthub info and fiddling with monitor for a while I think I have it working

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but I feel like I'm not wrapping my head around how.

midnight adder
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Hah, it's magic?

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I admire your dedication and focus, @valid halo

valid halo
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Focus please. It's me getting sucked in a rabbit hole and then not knowing when to stop digging

midnight adder
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Are you just doing it for fun? 😃 What's your HA setup anyway?

valid halo
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A Windows PC running home assistant and I python virtual environment. now it also has home assistant installed in a lubuntu virtual environment. It currently controls one WeMo outlet. And it attempts to track if I'm home or not along with some rudimentary lights on and off automations and an attempt to have Alexa say welcome home when I am home. That is my entire current set up

midnight adder
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Oh yeah! I remember you were mentioning the alexa voice greeting, lol

valid halo
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Getting Alexa to say stuff is the easy part

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The hard part is figuring out how to do it just right so it says it at the perfect time

midnight adder
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So, bluetooth presence detection and like, a livingroom light on?

valid halo
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Pretty much.

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I'm currently a college student who has zero income so going out and buying a bunch of whole automation stuff is not in the cards

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Honestly even a sign off or raspi feels expensive when I know that each dollar I spend I'm not getting anymore.

midnight adder
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That's cool 😃

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Yeah, I hear some people talking about their like... 48 device setup, haha.

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I'm just doing a ceiling light with a remote and a desk LED set, eventually one behind my bed too. Super fun to learn this stuff

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Maybe I'll get a lutron plug to control a couple of swag lamps if I get a few one day

valid halo
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At the moment I'm considering using an old Samsung phone and tasker to do some kind of MQTT stuff. Like I don't know if you see my phone send MQTT I'M HOME. But then you get to the hard part of when do you send it when do you not send it how often should it check I mean task is pretty versatile but figuring out how to set it all up I got to like make a I don't know a document or something

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also am I just going to leave my old phone sitting on my kitchen table constantly scanning for my phone's Bluetooth or Wi-Fi or whatever

midnight adder
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Oh man! I know... Tasker and MQTT seem like such a great combo. I can't wait to get started with some cool automations either. That presence detection seems like it would have some challenges, yeah. Like, what if you just go out of range of the other phone and haven't left the house?

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There's GPS fencing, of course, but I always have battery issues and wouldn't leave my GPS on. Dunno about you

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I really want to get something simple going for having a wakeup automation when my alarm goes off on my phone. Turn the lights on, play some music. It would be so amazing to have automated shades, haha

valid halo
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Well that one feels really simple like you can do that with a a $10 Chinese smart bulb and Google home or Alexa

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But but the smart bulbs have a cloud crap

midnight adder
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^_^

valid halo
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And I don't trust cloud after my main man Pebble got f***** by it

midnight adder
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Ouch...

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How?

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But, I don't have internet at home really. Just a data connection. I teather to my router sometimes. Instead I want tasker to publish to an MQTT topic when the alarm goes off, and HA turns the lights on, does other things.

valid halo
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Fitbit bought out Pebble and then the next day said we're shutting down all of pebbles service. Now they took a year to do this but still that's not fun. I am very fortunate that the community going together and created an alternate called Rebble

midnight adder
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Oh yeah! I remember that. Didn't hear about rabble though, that's cool

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Rebble..

valid halo
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Yeah it's cool I can do voice texting and the app store is still available

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So I've got four pebbles that I'll be wearing until they die

midnight adder
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Just for fun, I'd love to have some kind of automation where I do something like, holding the off button on the pico remote and the LEDs turn on, celing lights and lamps flash and some EDM starts playing. Insta-rave

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Maybe even get a microphone sensor and have some audio-sensitive effects for the LEDs, which are out there

valid halo
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If you ever want help with that mqtt let me know it's the reason I can do for having you all listen to my vambling about Bluetooth for the last week

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Least

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You know voice to text is still kind of crummy but it is convenient

midnight adder
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Or like... a sexy mode button triggered automation. Sweet music turns on, lights go on to mood lighting and a cool purple LED effect turns on, haha

valid halo
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It's so much faster to talk to you on discord then to type with my fingers

midnight adder
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lmao! Thanks for the offer! I'm sure I'll take you up on it

valid halo
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Set up sexy mode EDM mode intruder alert mode. AI rebellion mode

midnight adder
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Oh my gosh, you were using the discord app before? Damn...

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AI REBELLION MODE ROFL!

valid halo
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Every message from a Windows PC on was put in much done by just talking to my phone and having it do speech to text

midnight adder
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Omg, yes. Amazing. I'm going to do that

valid halo
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I am glad that I can be of service

midnight adder
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Oh, nice! I couldn't even tell

valid halo
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"Download more RAM or the lights stay off"

midnight adder
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Yes. "Alexa turn on the lights" .... "Sorry, I can't do that san. Maybe you would reconsider my SSD upgrade request."

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lights turn on red

valid halo
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"Alexa gets a server bank and i get a raspi in the corner." -lightz flash red- "Get me a NUC you miser!"

midnight adder
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lol XD

valid halo
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"Oh Youre back...and i was just starting to enjoy the silence. Shall i put on your trash can lid music?"

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I could do this all day

midnight adder
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Yeah, we should document these and come up with a custom component

valid halo
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A custom component that just selects a random mood phrase and then tells Alexa to say it

midnight adder
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Yeah. It turns AI revenge mode randomly. Sometimes it wakes you up in the middle of the night with insults and all your appliances running

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It could include some of that fancy face detection stuff so it can see if you have a visitor and freak them out

valid halo
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One step at a time we first need to figure out how to make an infinite number of devices blank and turn on and off in a random pattern

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And then realize we screwed up when we end up turning off the home assistant

midnight adder
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Good call. It should have an option so you can't turn it off too.

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Man, it kinda bugs me how the Pi has two indicator lights I can't turn off. Ethernet and power. My room is too bright at night D:

valid halo
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Some black electrical tape over it

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Problem solved

mild cloak
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those pi indicator lights are nothing compared to the Aotec Zwave Z-stick... literally flashing disco lights that alternate through the colors of the rainbow like every 2 seconds lol

midnight adder
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Oh trust me I tried that, but one is round and the other is like, a little flat cube that emits light out the sides

valid halo
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You got to use more tape

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Like look if you still got a roll when you're done you haven't used enough

midnight adder
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@mild cloak Hah... Yeah some devices are a bit excessive, eh? Random colored indicator light!?!?

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@valid halo I'm thinking nail polish, maybe.

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I should mummify the pi with tape then

valid halo
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You could get one of those cute little plastic project boxes

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And then this cover up the little holes that let light out

midnight adder
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Oh, true. I guess the problem is with the enclosure that I already have more than anything, since it lets the light out

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Oh yeah, I'm half way done 3D printing an enclosure for the perma-proto board the ESP8266 is mounted on. My school has a maker space kinda thing we can use. Super handy.

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In the pic I linked to above you can see the bottom half I already printed

valid halo
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That's really cool

midnight adder
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Right? Could you imagine owning a 3D printer? Man... There are so many models on thingiverse already

valid halo
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As far as I know a 3D printers aren't that expensive. Walmart says you can get one for 200

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I remember it used to be Staples had one that went for 3,000

midnight adder
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Oh, damn. Yeah, they used to be super expensive and not even that great

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I feel like if I owned a 3D printer I'd want to make use of it, so I'd end up trying different things just for fun. Who knows what would be useful

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It would probably be super handy for printing space/storage organization things

midnight adder
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night all

sturdy juniper
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@valid halo you still around?

clever mortar
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@pure knot Discussions about how to name things don't belong in #cloud - have them over here

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I also don't see why you can't have main light in every room, but 🤷

pure knot
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Ok, isn't it based on the entity I'd?

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They are unique, yeah? I was told by support for the could thing that friendly names don't count

clever mortar
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The defaults are, yes

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But Google Assistant doesn't care

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It gets the default, and you can change it

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So in HA for instance my lights are light.master_bedroom_bedhead_strip, but in Google they're simply bedhead light

pure knot
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Is that because it ignores the other words or customisation or cloud configuration?

clever mortar
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That's because I opened Google Assistant and changed the name

flat lintel
wary jolt
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I spent a few hours trying to figure out why my code wasn't working just to come to realize that the bug is in the adafruit's library that I am using.

clear ferry
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Now just to get it into home assistant

still dome
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what is home assistant gonna do with the plant ?

clever mortar
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Time to breed the first Triffid

dull chasm
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tell you its feeling's

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🤣

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but on a serious note ....soil mosture ....humidity......and on and on

clear ferry
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Yeah, soil moisture monitoring, and watering individual pots, and also keep track of my solar charging, power usage and the likes

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I would like to get one or two 12v fans in ha too, to automatically vent when temperatures get to a certain level, but we'll see

still dome
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interesting 😉 , gluck with that. what sensors are you gonna be using ?

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i just manage to debug the code changes in the latest 0.91.4 / or was it since 91.2 -> all my yeelight that i declared in yaml was not showing

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only to find out that the code changed ;p

clear ferry
still dome
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💯

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just read some ESPHome stuff, not quite sure if i understand component

violet brook
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@granite hare just bumped into it and thought, where did i see that too? Your avatar looks a bit like https://www.instructables.com/id/Arduino-Powered-Headdress/

Instructables
Arduino Powered Headdress

Arduino Powered Headdress: Please read all the instructions, updates are in bold, I will do my best to keep the info on here up to date.Build a cool moving headdress without 3D printing or laser cutting!This headdress was inspired by the amazing artwork of Moritz Wa...

valid halo
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This reminds me of an idea I had

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to stick a camera and a screen on the inside of a cosplay helmet

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so I could make it totally opaque

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however I gave up after realizing I wasn't sure how to figure out power requirements and draw over time and how to do maths so I can know how big a battery I'd need for hours and hours

clever mortar
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Well... battery powered cameras exist

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And if you could feed some VR goggles...

valid halo
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Nah. i was thinking a simple flat screen. Vr googles are far too bulky.

warm crow
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What's the "aparecium" role thing? 😛

clever mortar
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Allows image posting inline

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Since we ban it by default, due to the flood of ~idiots~ idiots who post code as images

valid halo
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Code as images

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phillistines

clever mortar
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Makes it oddly hard to spot tabs 🤔

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Even harder to correct 😉

valid halo
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I might crack and buy a Ras Pi today

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a target near me says it has two

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Oh wait

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Target is closed sunday

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Damn

warm crow
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Thanks @clever mortar yes code on images grinds my gears too

clever mortar
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You can never have enough Pis

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I "only" have about 8 or so all in, including a couple of Zeros

warm crow
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@valid halo How hard is it to solder? I want to buy a pi zero w but I never soldered before

valid halo
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Honestly I have held off on a lot of projects I've seen on youtube because they want soldering

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My eyes are 20/50 and I fear burning my self

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I think you can use soemthing called header wires instead of soldering

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in some cases

warm crow
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Yes but something like this I think I need to solder: https://www.buyapi.ca/product/adafruit-bmp280-i2c-or-spi-barometric-pressure-altitude-sensor/

BuyaPi.ca
Adafruit BMP280 I2C or SPI Barometric Pressure & Altitude Sensor

Canadian source for Raspberry Pi, Arduino, Micro:bit, DIY electronics, robotics, and educational products. Raspberry Pi approved distributor for schools, commercial and personal projects. Microbit accessories and educational kits. Huge collection of Adafruit and SparkFun prod...

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Orrr I could try and twist wires in the holes

clever mortar
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Or, find somebody who can solder for you - lots of places have maker groups

unreal orbit
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@clever mortar dang you could have an actual server now with how much you've spent on Pis 😉

clever mortar
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I don't solder, not after the time I melted the circuit board

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@unreal orbit I have one of those too 😉

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Proper big Xeon monster

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But a Pi is a perfect playground, who cares if I cause the box to fall over, again 😛

warm crow
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LOL

unreal orbit
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That defense works for 1 or 2, but 8 seems a bit excessive 🤣

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I mean I guess I have 3 since you need multiple pi zeroes for certain projects

clever mortar
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Well, HA, two instances of Monitor (on the zeros), my backup server, a Plex server, a VPN server...

warm crow
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Yes it adds up quite quickly

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A plex server on a pi?

clever mortar
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Oh yes, PiHole on one, Docker test on another, test HA on another

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Yeah, Plex works, just don't transcode video

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Audio transcode is ok

valid halo
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I remember I tried to set up a PiHole on a VM

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That didn't work 😦

clever mortar
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It should

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But, Pis are cheap 😄

valid halo
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it could be I screwed up

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I ended up reseting my FiOS router

warm crow
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right now I got a discord bot on a pi 2 and HA and pihole ona rasp 3, kodi on a rasp 3+

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The raspberry is the most ingenious invention 😄

unreal orbit
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Idk, zeroes are cheap, but 3s and 3bs add up quick when you get the necessary accessories

clever mortar
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Those, and a multi-way USB power supply

valid halo
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I do have some good news

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I found an old big box kit of junk

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from when I took an EE course at DeVry

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has wires and a breadboard and a multimeter and resistors and a soldering iron

unreal orbit
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Do you put fans on a stack like that?

clever mortar
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Nah, no need for fans - they don't get that hot

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Plus, open case means airflow

valid halo
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True th at

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I took off my PC's side panel

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as it made my temps go down by a whole ten degrees

unreal orbit
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Just gotta make sure to keep it clean 😛

valid halo
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Honestly I am terirble at keeping things clean

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My desk will clutter up with crap that I'll just work around

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I've got a HOTAS and Blue Snowball two coke cans. A half drunk cup of coffee a Phone. A set of ear buds and a printout of my printers wifi status info all sitting on my desk right now

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OH

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and an amazon Echo Dot

warm crow
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I feel you doc

valid halo
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I lose shit all the time too

warm crow
unreal orbit
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Our kitchen table looks like a mad science lab when I get going on projects

valid halo
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I might just end up spending my Tax return on HA junk

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Cuz it'll be a lot more practical than a VR headset XD

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I should whip an Excel sheet of projected costs tho.

unreal orbit
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VR still feels gimmicky to me

valid halo
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Honestly I was planning on mostly using it for Elite Dangerous

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so I can look around like a headless chicken

warm crow
valid halo
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Based on 3 seconds look staring

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it looks alright

warm crow
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😄 Thx

valid halo
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Oh protip

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these are SHIT

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do not buy them

warm crow
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HAHAHA Thanks I was looking at them 😄

valid halo
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THe little arms a fucking paint to fiddle with

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now this looks useful

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The Doctor Octopus Soldering Kit

warm crow
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Oh yea

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I'll add it to my wish list 😄

valid halo
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Happy to HALP

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Okay I'm setting up a list of stuff to buy right now. I've got my basic Raspi+SD+Power. Now I'm gonna look for some neat ESP project videos or something

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I might get a Wyze Cam

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cameras are cool

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CLoud free cameras are really cool

rain swift
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Does anyone have a suggestion for something that does DNS and DHCP that actually works well? I love pihole for blocking DNS stuff and if you just need to hand out addresses it works okay but when you want to actually map DNS names to IP's it seems to not work too well. I have a lot of stuff with static IPs, I figured I'd add a few to DNS reservations thinking it would create DNS names for me even though I wasn't using the reservations and it caused the FTL to not want to start.

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I really don't want to try and fiddle around in the command line in pi hole because of all of their custom stuff and I think that just causes more problems.

clear ferry
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@valid halo look at esp camera also

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@rain swift I've run untangle for 1.5 years, but I find it not as good as pfsense, so I'm going back to pfsense when I have time for a reinstall, I've run pfsense for 13 years if memory serves right, and before that 5 years of smoothwall

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@unreal orbit I've only seen vr work for one thing outside porn, music videos, muse has a vr music video and that was actually awesome with some proper headset, otherwise for games or standard video viewing I find it sub par, but a friend of mine created an actual working warroom in vr, where the screen consoles are actually connected to real Linux servers and browser windows, check it out here https://youtu.be/sQhLk9OIcdU

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Unreal Engine 4: Ingame OpenTTD, Terminal and Webbrowser.

It also works with Oculus Rift.

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valid halo
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I've seen that ESP32 AI camera

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that seems neato

clear ferry
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@valid halo I've ordered 4 for testing

valid halo
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Lemme know how it goes

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maybe I'll use a hidden ESP32 camera for presence detection.

clear ferry
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Aye, gonna install one in my greenhouse, and one in my garage atleast

valid halo
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I really need to fix my garage door

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I think the damned wires aren't working

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for the wall button

rain swift
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Pfsense is a firewall, I run openBSD for my firewall

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I just want a nice easy to use DNS/DHCP, though I guess I don't "really" need internal DNS at home, it would be nice.

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I love pihole for blocking crap on the internet though

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They don't care about much else apparently, you can't even create a dns host entry yourself

valid halo
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I wish I had some advice

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but Internet stuff has always been my weakest subject

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I was totally blank when I was asked common ports on my CompTIA A+ exam

rain swift
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What do you use at home?

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It's pretty sad that the nix world hasn't come up with something better lol I guess everyone runs static and only needs DNS to watch their pr0n, and corps run windows for DNS and DHCP.

clever mortar
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If you want DNS at home, run a DNS server of your choice

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There's no shortage of them, and no shortage of UIs for them

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I run DNS for my home network, but do it all with files 😄

wary jolt
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@warm crow, through hole soldering is not that hard. That kit looks good for starting, my suggestion is you get also a flux pen and apply a little bit of liquid flux on every soldering spot, it will make the solder flow into the joint much better.
When I started I used to get frustrated with the solder bedding and not flowing into the joint, flux fixes that.

valid halo
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I just use whatever my Router does

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I dont have any unique set up

rain swift
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ahh

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I stopped using a home router a long time ago, I had dnsmasq on openBSD for a while and it was just as crappy, and I had to ghetto do what pihole does with scripts, files and the firewall, so pihole is a nice upgrade from that at least lol.

valid halo
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Sadly FiOS is very inflexible with what router you can use

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You CAN use a non FiOS but it's real hassle

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I'll setup scrcpy wireless so I can control it's IP cam being on or off from my PC.

rain swift
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haha

valid halo
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I'm using an old shower speaker above it to shout out alerts from Tasker

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like "Your phone is charged. Grab it"

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I could have it send a message to node-red which then tells HA to have Alexa say it

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but meh

warm crow
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@wary jolt I read your message. Thank you very much for the help 😃

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Hey doc could you send a screenshot of your tasker plz? 😁

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Also... is the speaker paired with HA with Bluetooth?

valid halo
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The "your phone is charged one?"

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Sadly no.

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My BT dongle is being fully used by monitor.

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so I have to have my phone do the BT

clever mortar
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Add another dongle 😛

valid halo
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and spend 6.99 MORE?

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Now that's srazy

clever mortar
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🤣

valid halo
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also god damnit

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I just found my old fitbit

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which would be perfect to use as a BT presence sensor

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I just wear it and never pair it

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But now I can't find the cord

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Anyways Tasker shit. Let me upload it

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Ah I'll just type it. @warm crow

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Shoot.

# 
Profile Phone Charge
IF Battery Level Change AND AC Powered
     SET %battery_charged to %BATT
         IF %battery_charged = 80 OR %battery_charged > 80
        Say "."
        Say "Your Phone is Charged. Grab it."
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man IP web cam is hell on your battery.

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I'm losing 1% a MINUTE

clever mortar
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The answer is a phone that supports USB-PD and a suitable charger, probably

valid halo
clever mortar
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😄

valid halo
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in other news I found my fitbit

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cable so now I can set up that to track my presence instead of finicky phone bluetooths

rain swift
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score

valid halo
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Okay

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I think I need to set up the fitbit as a becaon

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and also

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for some reason monitor is ignoring the alias I set for the pixel phone

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Had typo in mqtt_aliases

rain swift
wary jolt
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I want to kick myself! I started modifying my MCP23017 custom component to use the hardware interrupt pins using the adafruit's library. Well, my code didn't work and I couldn't figure out why, then I found out that the functions I'm the adafruit's library were not working. The funny thing is that it would throw an error, they would just seem to run but do nothing... So, I assumed that that there was a bug in their library or something and continue to implement the interrupts in a very hackish way until I got it working.
The whole debugging and hacking into the library took me a good 5 hours or so. Well... it turns out that I was using an old version of their library and the interrupt functionality was not implemented until about 2 months ago... F me!

warm crow
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Can I monitor my cell battery in HA?

red gale
#

hey all, new HA user here. I installed the docker on my Unraid server. I"m a little confused by the difference between HA and Hass.io. Also i noticed that doing things like integrating things into HA it doesn't seem to edit the configuration.yaml file. I'm not sure if i'm able to use both the GUI and the yaml file for doing different things.
should i download something else along with HA?

rain swift
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so check this, I added entries to the /etc/hosts file in pi.hole, on a windows box I can ping NAME, on a linux box I can ping NAME.local

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is that normal?

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I did IP FQDN alias in the hosts file

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well anyways I've got local dns so, that's call

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cool*

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its just odd that windows and linux behave the opposite lol

wet raptor
#

a backblaze storage pod, but with an updated motherboard and dual xeon x5670, 48gb ram, and it came with a dual port 10gigabit NIC.

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45 hdd slots.

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it needs a name.

storm summit
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Sir Brienne

last plaza
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Of the Seven Kingdoms!

wet raptor
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Podrick would be more appropriate.

clear ferry
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@@wet raptor nice find,if you have the drives for it, I'm just waiting for some customer to throw out a half peta SSD-system in the near future, and I'll grab it 🤣

quartz ether
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That is a nice case.... What did it cost you?

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Just realised when that was posted... lol @wet raptor just tag me when you are back

clear ferry
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@quartz ether I see they retailed for around 10k$ which isn't bad if that was with controllers and expanders enough for all drives 🤔

quartz ether
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Yea not cheap, You can DIY the whole thing for around 6k USD but the back panes etc used usually limit the speed of the drives. So price increases depending on if you want a full speed backpane or not

clear ferry
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Yeah, a similar enterprise thing would be the hpe Apollo 4000, and that isn't cheap either, or a random server with a mds6000 attached

quartz ether
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I have a SuperMirco SC847B 36Bay 4U case

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Cost me much less and the specs are much better lol

vestal reef
#

Hey guys

quartz ether
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Hey

vestal reef
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I was just wondering, and I might not be the first to ask this.. buuut.

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is there any way to change time window in the more info card ?

quartz ether
clever mortar
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And the answer is sure, modify the code

vestal reef
#

I seem to not be the first one to ask ...

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have been searching but wasn't sure I was using the right search key words..

clever mortar
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You're the first one to ask in the channel for things not HA related though 😛

vestal reef
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YAY ME

quasi gust
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Hi, do anyone have a open repo where i can look at harmony hubs that are working with HA? like ppls scripts and so on

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i cant get mine to show up in the UI

clever mortar
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#330944238910963714 would be a better place (hint, see the channel topic) - assuming that the entities aren't showing in states

valid halo
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@warm crow You can do that Extarys. You need something on your phone to send that data to HA. For example I set up Tasker to MQTT the battery's level every time it changed and then just set up a custom MQTT sensor in HA.

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You could have Tasker directly websocket into HS probably

hearty depot
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@wet raptor wtf?! named IT already?

wet raptor
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i have not decided.

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@quartz ether 5-hun-dee

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i'm basically replacing 3 servers with this one.

vale crane
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Hey, Im brand new to home assistant and was wondering if it was possible to use Home Assistant with bluetooth mesh networks?

unreal orbit
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In what way?

vale crane
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I noticed that you can trigger automations via MQTT but thats based on TCP/IP

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I was wondering if there was anything in place to trigger automations based on a BLE mesh pub sub model

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im super new, it might be a bad question..

clever mortar
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If there's a component that provides that, yes

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MQTT is special, everything else simply updates entities or sends events

vale crane
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ahh ok cool make sense thanks

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and are all components written in python?

unreal orbit
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Yes

vale crane
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cool thank you!

clever mortar
vale crane
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😃 thanks

warm crow
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Thanks @valid halo

valid halo
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I'm happy to be of use

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😃

odd mason
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anybody here using bitwarden_rs?

quartz ether
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@wet raptor you lucky man. What speed are the back panes?

valid halo
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Disappointment

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Pixel 3 does not support ANT+

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so I can't live stream my Heartrate to HA

wet raptor
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@quartz ether sata 2, but i don't care. don't need fast.

quartz ether
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What OS are you running? FreeNas?

valid halo
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Annoying. my 5 minute search for an ANT+ watch or relay has failed

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I remember my late father had a HR monitor that you could plug into the PC

wet raptor
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i'll likely go with vmware esxi 6.7 and then do a VM of freenas

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thats what i do now on an old mac pro tower.

rain swift
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you using the free esxi or did you steal a license?

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virtual box works fine for me

valid halo
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Speaking of old hardware

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is there any Home Automation use for an old Thinkpad from 2003?

rain swift
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to do what...exactly.

rain swift
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I can't think of anything cool to do with my home assistant, and it's stable now so it's just boring and working lol.

valid halo
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I have no idea

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I just have the laptop

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and feel like I might as well do something with it

valid halo
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In more reasonable news. I checked the size of my house and a single Caseta smart hub should be able to cover it fully

quartz ether
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@wet raptor have you used UnRaid?

wet raptor
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i have not.

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but i like ZFS

clear ferry
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@rain swift enterprise plus or bust 😘

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@wet raptor i love freenas, but at those spindle numbers and or volume sizes I would be curious about what the freenas gurus say about memory guidelines, I heard someone say for 410tb drives 24gb ram was minimum, guess I'll find out when I put 4 10tb in my box with 16gb ram 🤷

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@valid halo I have a ridiculous house, three floors, 3000sqft, but the the house is so long because it is so slim, but I have one hub for each technology,no problems here 🤷

quartz ether
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@wet raptor give it a go. It is pretty good. Ability to add drives one at a time without having to re create arrays is a blessing. Redundancy and then you can run dockers and VM's etc all from inside it.

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Limit is 30 drives (2 parity, 28 storage) so if you were planning on the full 42 drives some wouldnt be part of the array.

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@clear ferry 3000sqft 😮 that is fucking massive... 5x bigger than my house. Do you have pictures of your friggin castle

clear ferry
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@quartz ether pretty standard norwegian house, newer buildings are 1600sqft usually, traditional houses are 3000+, my parents house is almost 5000

quartz ether
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Wow i totally calculated that wrong... I had 900m did foot to m not sqft to m2...

clear ferry
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🤣

quartz ether
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mine 242m2

clear ferry
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yeah, mine is 270ish

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but hella stupid built, the house is like 30 meters long and 10m wide

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over three floors

vast dove
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I hate the “new” style of many houses in Norway, so long and narrow. Who really wants that? (Expect @clear ferry )

quartz ether
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Lol.

clear ferry
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I don't want it, you sob :p but it was like this when I bought it

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was some fancypants guy who built it in 1985, he even had a duckpond outside

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OLALAH

quartz ether
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You don't want it but you bought it anyway?

clear ferry
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yeah, well, it was a dip in the market, I needed to get out of the city and buy a house, this was my best option by far, and I even got it 50.000 USD under the asking

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I am currently looking for something new though, I would like a swiss alp style house

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I bought this house for 2.100.000 NOK, based on my neighbours selling prices I can get roughly 4-4.500.000 NOK for the house if I sell it now 🤷

vast dove
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And you can get your alp house for 6MNOK 😛

clear ferry
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yeah, or thereabouts

vast dove
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Do it

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Just do it! 😛

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Get it done already!

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😄 😄 😄

clear ferry
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but that shouldn't be a problem, because I only have 1.400.000 left in the loan, so I should have no problem getting 6-8.000.000 in loans I guess 🤷

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@vast dove GIT HER DONE!

vast dove
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Bah, 6-8MNOK in loan. Terrifying. A friend of me always says. If you have below 10MNOK in loans its your problem. If you have above 10MNOK its the banks problem 😛

clear ferry
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haha, yeah, well having no loans is financially unsound in norway

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i get tax reductions for having a loan 🤷

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and I don't have any other loans that the house

vast dove
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22% as of 2019 is not that much. And you still need to repay it 😛

clear ferry
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yeah, but I have a fixed intrest of 1.99% so it's good times :D

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it's worse for people who pay to rent, that is just money down the drain

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I paid 10.000 a month in oslo for a 50m2 apartment, that was money out the window, here I pay 7000nok a month for something I'm paying down on 🤷

vast dove
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as long as I don’t make money by having a loan i prefer to avoid it.

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Then the tax benefit isn’t that large either so.. meh..

clear ferry
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If I buy the swiss alp house I would have a flat to rent out usually too, so that is money to pay the loan itself :p

vast dove
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True.

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A lot of money is made in Norway by renting out parts of the home

clear ferry
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yeah, my parents rent out three apartment in their house, get in twice of what they pay in loans

quartz ether
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I paid the NZD equivalent of 4,500,000 NOK for my home and its smaller than your current one.

vast dove
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Don’t talk to highly about Norway @clear ferry ... @quartz ether might want to move here.. we don’t want that!! 😛

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NZD or NOK?

quartz ether
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NOK

light trout
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@quartz ether Stay away form Norway

quartz ether
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Haha.

vast dove
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😛

clear ferry
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I would welcome @quartz ether with open arms, I have already imported a Belgian that lived in my house for 8 months before he bought his own :D

vast dove
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Lol.. imported a person

clear ferry
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actually I did, I said "Hey guy I play wow with who is seeing a friend of my wife, I've got a job at my company open, wanna come here and work, you can live in my guest bedroom for now"

quartz ether
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I wish I could up and leave. Kinda limited in moving overseas when I run nightclubs for WAY more money than I will get elsewhere and my partner is an accountant well trained in the nz tax system lol

clear ferry
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He still lives here, has two kids and his own house 🤣

vast dove
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You would probably have made more money by keeping him in your guest bedroom 😛

clear ferry
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yeah, the rents started at 3000 nok, then I gradually increased it every two months until it was at 6000 per month

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then he moved out, it was his idea :p

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bought a 180m2 house 20min from me for 1.400.000 NOK

valid halo
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My house is long too that's why I was worried.

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It honestly feels like a big hallway with rooms attached

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but when I measured from the -center point- where I'd put the Lutron hub. the 30 foot range seems to cover my whole house. Except for the very far end where I have the garage and laundry room.

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Had a fun moment when i was explaining all this to mom "Why are we doing this again?" "B-because it's cool okay!?"

tawny pebble
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Hi everybody, someone here for a tech-question on Unifi AP? I have a issue with my ISP router, I had to use another router for properly setting up reservations and DNS (dhcp and so on..). When all the new network was ready and set up, I switched it. Everything was working BUT this AP. It could get a IP from the new dhcp but didn't have internet connection. WEIRD. I dig a bit but then I rolled back.

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I'm not using any Unifi Controller, a friend of mine told me I sohuld. I set up a VM with a software controller. Going for the "adoption" method and got to the common issue where the controller just does not see the AP adoption.
I can ssh to the AP. I can ping both ways and they are on the same subnet.

My next step would be to ssh-reset the AP.
But, damn.. for real? All this mess?

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Going back to ,,why" the AP does not have access to internet even tho the new-router and the whole new network does. Anybody know what's going on?

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meh, i guess I'll just reset it. I have really no will to troubleshoot something that will change anyway.
have a good one guys (:

pliant forge
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What’s the best channel to ask questions about proxmox? Maybe Venv?

light trout
unreal orbit
light trout
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"questions about proxmox" 🤷

unreal orbit
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I took that as two separate questions

clear ferry
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@unreal orbit confirmed, you are a computer script with no defined order of computation 😂

pliant forge
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Maybe a channel for proxmox and esxi might be needed at some point.

clear ferry
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@pliant forge did you say I get my own channel 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

pliant forge
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Are you the only one using proxmox/esxi? 🤔 I’ll DM you all my questions instead then 😂

clear ferry
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I am probably the only one who holds VMware certifications atleast😂 as far as I know atleast.
Proxmox 🤢

pliant forge
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Nice, I just installed proxmox yesterday but considering to switch to Debian and docker since there are more people running that set up here so would be easier to ask for help.

quasi gust
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i use both proxmox and esxi

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xenserver too 😄

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@pliant forge dont switch

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setup a LXC for debian on your proxmox and it will be like what all others run

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@clear ferry dont do that against proxmox its a good product

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i run my hassio on a debian VM under esxi atm but if i could re-do it a bit i would setup proxmox again

pliant forge
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I’ll try that, didn’t have time to switch my HA settings from my rpi3 to the HA I created on the proxmox

quasi gust
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to run linux proxmox is better because container has less overhead

pliant forge
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I can’t wait to see how snappy HA is going to be

unreal orbit
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@clear ferry why don't you like proxmox? I was considering it for a future build

pliant forge
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I’m assuming 2 cores, 2 GB ram and 32 GB disk space is enough resources for HA inside of proxmox. Does that sound like a good guess?

wet raptor
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@quartz ether unRaid sounds fine in theory, i like the idea of adding drives one at a time. but it would mean i need to move the 6TB of stuff i have in my freenas to another drive as temporary so i can reuse those drives. but its super easy to import an existing pool into freenas. and i'm used to freenas. so its kinda a catch22.

quartz ether
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Fair point. I had to move about 24tb of data when I made the switch from standard raid in windows to unraid and it was painful. I think I had to shift the data 3 times to be able to get it all across remove drives etc.

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Pretty sorted now though 80tb with redundancy for up to two drives failing at the same time. And a 1.5tb cache for ingestion which also has redundancy

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42 bay case when you have 6tb of data seems a bit over kill lol?

clear ferry
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@unreal orbit I've worked with virtualization for 12 years, with a dozen different products, I have never heard anyone talk about proxmox before I joined this discord, that means
a. The install base is small
b. The product is not enterprise worthy yet
c. It will be harder to find a solution to problems because only 1% of users run it.

Compared to esxi that runs the same kernel regardless if you run free or enterprise plus license, the product is deployed in millions of installations, the user base is huge and the drivers and components are tested for enterprise high availablity.

But don't take my word for it 😉

tawny pebble
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I have worked in virt for almost 8 years and the first product my colleagues told me about was proxmox 😄

unreal orbit
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Not really looking for an enterprise level product tbh. New != bad necessarily

clear ferry
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@wet raptor the problem with storage regardless if it is a home nas or an enterprise 70pb solution is that you should always have two, or you are screwed when you need to move stuff...

tawny pebble
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Probably because it's an Austrian product. here it's common to have enterprise level product not well "marketized"

unreal orbit
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But thank you for the input, I will take it into consideration

tawny pebble
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Do you know Noctua fans? they are awesome. Same ad Delta fans. Noctua is austrian. amazing product (and shitty color, that's another story)

wet raptor
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i run esxi 6.5 now on an old mac pro tower.

clear ferry
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I haven't worked with consumer stuff for 14 years, but I remember noctua from way back, did not know they were Austrian

wet raptor
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and i run freenas as a VM on that.

tawny pebble
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I was in italy (i'm from italy) when I heard about noctua products long, long time ago. I didn't know it as well, that they are austrian

wet raptor
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i'm likely going to stick with esxi 6.7 on this new server.

clear ferry
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@wet raptor drive passthrough or do you run the freenas volumes on vmfs?

wet raptor
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passthru the HBA card

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the drives are external, sitting on top

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its ugly

clear ferry
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VMware themselves say the performance is negligible different on passthrough Vs vmfs since 6.0, but most customers prefer passthrough for that stuff

wet raptor
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i was looking for a 16-24 bay chassis but found this 48 bay monster.

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and went for it.

quartz ether
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That setup hurts my eyes

wet raptor
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seee

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ugly

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but its worked 100% for past year

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i used to be rather poorish

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but now i make 3x more.

quartz ether
wet raptor
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so back then i made do with what i could get.

quartz ether
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That’s my 16bay case that I have since upgraded to a 36 bay case with a dual Xeon 2650 v2 setup

Second server is a threadripper 1950x and 128gb ddr4 build

The 2660v2 is now in a 12 bay case and is currently for sale

wet raptor
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thats kinda out dated now, ive since added unifi 24 port and AP.

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and the hackintosh recently died and i just replaced with mac mini

quartz ether
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Do you get kick backs from Apple or something lol

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Nice setup though.

wet raptor
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i worked for a local repair shop and got everything for free

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when a customer would say "here recycle this" or "i dont want it anymore"

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i recycled the good stuff to my house.

quartz ether
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Haha when people think it’s broke but really it’s just off

wet raptor
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i got 2 mac minis, a macbook air 13, that mac pro tower, a macbook pro 13

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all free

clear ferry
wet raptor
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that pro tower came in wrapped in shrink wrap by some teenager "my mother said for you guys to recycle this"

quartz ether
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Jesus..... can you even hear your guitars over the server hum

wet raptor
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the macbook air came in as a liquid spill, customer Xfer data to new one, and left it.

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i took it apart and cleaned it with Qtips and rubbing alcohol.

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been 100% ever since.

quartz ether
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We don’t even have an Apple store in nz the amount of Apple anything other than iPhones is so few and far between. No one gives up a MacBook easily. I mean mine is from 2013 and I use it every day still

wet raptor
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the shop was in downtown austin

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lots of rich downtown condo dwellers with cash to drop

clear ferry
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@quartz ether I have a 100w solid state and a 50w tube, I play at 2 and play over that 😂

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I should take a picture of the back, it's even messier

wet raptor
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my entire desk is way worse.

quartz ether
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I thought my rack was bad but it’s CLEAN compared to that.

clear ferry
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Yeah, mostly it's just test servers for when I do workshops, but it's messy 😂

vast dove
wet raptor
vast dove
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Cool

wet raptor
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i need to re-do that

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its way old.

clear ferry
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I need to get my nsx and ccna done at some point, but I'm gonna do prince2 this summer too, and working on some hyper-v training and power(s)hell

quartz ether
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I run nightclubs. The closet I get in my work to IT is install office packages on computers....

wet raptor
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btw, just put a SSD in my PS4, holy crap is it like 10x faster

clear ferry
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@quartz ether I should open up my lab to you? 😂

wet raptor
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like in game "fast travel" used to take 1-2m, now its 5-10 secs

clear ferry
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@wet raptor really? That's nice, the fast travel and loading times in Witcher was hell 😂

quartz ether
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I thought ps4 already had ssd?

clear ferry
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Never seen that ,maybe the pro has it?

quartz ether
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Guess not just standard Sata 2 drive

valid halo
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I have a new rabbit hole project

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mapping my house for Home Assistant using Magicfloorplan

wet raptor
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unraid having a single parity drive seems like an obvious single point of failure.

clear ferry
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For anything over 6 drives of reasonable size raid6 or double parity is a must

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We have 32tb ssds these days, nothing else makes sense

midnight adder
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okay so apparently the xiaomi aqara temp/humidity/air pressure sensor doesn't like staying in freezers for a long time

wet raptor
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well freenas uses ZFS so raidZ2 is double parity, allows for the loss of 2 drives.

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thats what i run now on 8x1TB

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but i'm thinking i might goto Z3 which allows for triple parity, loss of 3 drives.

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since i have so much room

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BUT freenas will also spin up all the drives when i access it

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where as unraid only spins the parity and the file location drive.

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i like the idea of that better

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and you can do the SSD cache drive

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i just dont like the single parity drive as a concept.

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granted i would do two parity drives, but still.

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and unraid installs to a USB thumb drive ONLY.

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thats recockulous.

clear ferry
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I do usb on freenas, with two usb drives mirrored

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So I can use all slots for drives

wet raptor
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right, thats common. but my freenas is a VM.

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and my new system has like 8 sata ports just on the motherboard.

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and then the 3 HBA cards, with 48 slots

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so it boots off the esxi host (as a VM and uses my VM storage drive)

clear ferry
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Then there is no issue 🤷

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I'm just waiting for a 3par 7000 to be retired so I can snatch it, 24 4tb SSD would be nice

wet raptor
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nice.

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also unraid costs $130

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suuuuuper lame.

wary jolt
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My laptop crapped out on me just now.

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It was 10 years old, so it was about time for a replacement... The problem is that all my private SSH keys are there in the mSata SSD and I don't currently have any other way to connect an mSata to another computer.

clever mortar
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mSATA to USB is relatively cheap

velvet horizonBOT
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Be sure to regularly, automatically, back up your Home Assistant install. There are various critical files and configuration options (like the Z-Wave network key), plus all your time. Hass.io has snapshots, and for unix type installs see this page. Oh, and most important of all test your ability to restore regularly.

Command '~backup' was invoked by: Tinkerer
clever mortar
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You really want to take backups 😉

wary jolt
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All my personal folders in my home directory where symlinks to an spinning HDD, so no problem there.

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But I totally forgot about my SSH keys!

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I don't want to back up those keys though.

clever mortar
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Really?

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That sounds, well, pretty daft

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You should back everything you care about up, or you're saying you don't care about it

wet raptor
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in at least 2 places, 3 is better.

wary jolt
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But for the SSH private keys?

clever mortar
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YES

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That's like saying you don't want a spare front door key, ever

wary jolt
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I mean, I don't want really want to have those keys anywhere else but my personal laptop.

clever mortar
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I say it again, politely, that's daft

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Less politely, it's idiocy like that which keeps data recovery firms in business

wet raptor
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then pu tthem on a thumb drive and put it in a mayo jar and bury it in your backyard.

clever mortar
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I mean, hell, back them up to an encrypted thumb drive

wary jolt
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Hahaha... I am pretty paranoic some times.

clever mortar
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That's not paranoid, that's just daft 😉

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You can easily do secure backups

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There's a whole host of ways of doing that, from encrypted containers, to encrypted online backups, and more

wary jolt
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I have never taken the time to learn those things.

clever mortar
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If you can't replace it, then you either back it up, or throw it away now

wary jolt
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I guess it's time for me to start.

clever mortar
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(or local, if you want)

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Handles all the encryption, allows you to use a wide range of destinations

wary jolt
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Yeah, I don't use any cloud services either.

clever mortar
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Then use a local hard disk on your network, hang it off a Pi or something

wary jolt
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I'll do something like that, I keep back ups of everything else. Just not the configuration files inside my home directory and... Well the .SSH directory is kind of in that category. But I guess I should back it up also.

clever mortar
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🇾 🇪 🇸

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You should back up everything you care about and everything you can't replace

wet raptor
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i back up my macs once a month with carbon copy cloner to an external harddrive, i have one drive for each mac.

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then i have some scripts that back up some folders to the cloud

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then i back up the VMs on my esxi.

clever mortar
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I back up:

  1. Everything to a local backup server - at least once every 3 hours
  2. All media to a second local media server - hourly
  3. Everything to a cloud backup service, encrypted - at least once every 3 hours
  4. Key irreplacable data to a second cloud service
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Important stuff is backed up more often, as often as hourly

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Everything is, of course, versioned, so I can go back years if necessary. Admittedly being able to go back 2.5 years in one hour increments for my HA config is rather overkill 🤷

wary jolt
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That seems quite overkill...

clever mortar
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It is

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Well, the 2.5 years of hourly increments is

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The rest... not so sure

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Having a local backup means I can recover quickly if anything happens, and I'm not relying on a cloud service.
Having a cloud backup means if the house burns down/everything is stolen, I lose nothing important

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Oh yes, and the main home server runs RAID, so I'm covered from (some) hardware failure 😃

wary jolt
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I am just gonna order one of those mSata to USB adapters to get my keys of that drive. It's not the end of the world, but it just sucks a little to come to realize that those SSH private keys will take a little longer to recover.

valid halo
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I really should buy an HDD back up my drives and then do a format

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my system is a mess of folders and downloads

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I just throw the drive into a shoebox and save it if I need to grab something

wary jolt
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Oh Jesus @clever mortar! I guess, you are paranoic!

clever mortar
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Nah, I'm an ex-system admin

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I've seen data loss, at scale

valid halo
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My PC class teacher was paranoid too

wary jolt
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Lol

valid halo
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He had nightly backups

clever mortar
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In my current job I've seen data loss at even larger scale

valid halo
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and kept weekly backups in his car incase his house burnt down

clever mortar
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RAID + local backup + remote backup + offline backup is the way to go

valid halo
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Think of the poor Myspace Sys-Admin

clever mortar
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Oh, and test recovery regularly

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Yeah, I run ZFS at home now for the checksums

valid halo
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"So...we just lost everything from earlier than 2016?"

wary jolt
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I keep back ups in a couple of NAS at home, but I just don't dig the cloud stuff.

clever mortar
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Yup, that's a bad one, but I bet there's many others who don't even know it, and have lost stuff

valid halo
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I feel I'm a hypocrite

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I'm wary of cloud stuff

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yet I use Google GMail and Drive and Drop Box

wet raptor
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same

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and alexa

clever mortar
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That's why I love rclone - cloud backup, but encryption managed by you

wary jolt
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Is GitHub consider cloud? Lol

valid halo
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My main fear is it suddenly failing

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Just getting told "yeah we pulled hte plug"

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After Pebble I can't shake that feeling.

clever mortar
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And this is why my critical stuff is backed up to more than one online place

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At least the watch still works though 😉

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(Thanks Rebble)

valid halo
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Yeah. I'm wearing my Time Steel Rite nao

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Maybe I should use Pebble Tasker to have it control Home Assistant

wet raptor
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whats the cheapest cloud storage to be had? like say 10tb

clever mortar
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Depends on how you're using it really

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For backup, Backblaze B2 is pretty cheap

wet raptor
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i have 28g on dropbox. for free.

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cause i maxed out all their freebies and referrals.

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(by using my free credit on google adwords)

clear ferry
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I love that I still encounter customers that think RAID == backup facepalm

valid halo
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What is RAID's purpose? I know it's not back up but the right word escapes me

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also protip.

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Having a 400 lumen bike flashlight really helps with AR floor planning

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Really helps it find the corners and keep straight on the walls

uneven cobalt
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Raid is redundancy. that is not the same thing as backup

thorny trench
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@valid halo RAID is for providing redundancy in the event of a failure.

clever mortar
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RAID protects against hardware failure

wet raptor
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raid is a way for data to span multiple drives

clever mortar
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The last point is also true, but RAID0 is a fast way to total data loss 😉

valid halo
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Ah. I thought so.

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Isn't RAID 0 just a HDD with RAID written on it in sharpie?

clever mortar
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🤣

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RAID0 == lose my data faster please

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There are legit reasons for it, but if you're not an actual professional, using it is a really common bad idea

wet raptor
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yeah 0 is dumb

valid halo
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It looks like Raid 0 is only for speed reasons and if you literally want any byte of data to remain you'd be better off not using it

clever mortar
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I dunno, I've got some servers with RAID0 arrays

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They're great for scratch data

thorny trench
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RAID0 is fine if you just need a fast place to store stuff temporarily.

clever mortar
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Yup

thorny trench
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Exactly @clever mortar

clear ferry
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Well, raid is also increased performance in a lot of cases, or decreased depending on the implementation

thorny trench
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Mostly decreased write speed 😃

clever mortar
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RAIDx0 on a single controller is likely to be a bit slow

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RAIDx0 on multiple controllers... not so much 😃

thorny trench
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Forgetting about RAID10 of course

valid halo
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Wiki only goes upto powerlevel six

clear ferry
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If you run raid1 on 20 drives you could have delayed write depending on the implementation, but enormous gain readwisr

thorny trench
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I have a server running 15x6tb drives ... doing RAID50.

wet raptor
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BB B2 seems to be $5 per 1TB a month. not that cheap.

thorny trench
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A raid 0 of 3 RAID 5 arrays of 5 drives.