np 👍
#the-water-cooler
proven spruce
oh... its just the snippet message
btw that announcement text is the definition of unprofessional 😄
flat lintel
yeah but i did it because i want people to feel so annoyed they close it and then realize "oh shit, the banner is now closed, thank fuck, good job y'all"
so in the end
i
win
i always win
viscid crag
😂
proven spruce
dunno its cute... i'd keep it if i were new
tough igloo
Loving the new dark theme, really hits me in my (long gone) teenage angst feels
strange vapor
Found my old Nokia N900. I wonder if there's much call for a Maemo client for HA? 😄
proven spruce
i still cherish mine
strange vapor
The USB connection on mine seems to be dodgy. Trying to charge it
clear ferry
Nice, I just got done with my 3 week backlog of mail and my travel expenses, that feels so good to not have to stress about that anymore
I need to install a camera on top of my roborock, it just got stuck somewhere and I am 60km away, I should be able to open the camera and do remote control to get it unstuck 🤣
pure vine
Oh, the channels moved arround again
mild cloak
@flat lintel sorry for late reply was 5 am where i was at, here is my themes.yaml file if you still need it. contains 50 themes https://pastebin.com/iK4pZGmL
pliant forge
@mild cloak need to get your GitHub repo going 👍🏼
mild cloak
@pliant forge yea, slowly getting there. Since i'm a Github beginner wanted to make sure i don't accidentally mess up and upload my secrets.yaml or anything lol, but also in the process of reorganizing my folder/file structure too first. hopefully soon 😃
low harness
I think the safest way is to gitignore everything by default and add explicit inclusions https://github.com/thomasloven/hass-config/blob/master/.gitignore
midnight adder
you guys got any good smarthome ideas for my indoor chicken coop
shy comet
wow an indoor chicken coop?? is that a bedroom?
wary jolt
Hi everyone! I don't know where to ask this question so I am posting here.
I have my .homeassistant directory in a GitHub repo, inside that repo is my custom_components directory where I am writing my own components.
The issue with this is that you can't easily clone just the custom_components directory, so I would like to split that into it's own GitHub repo. How would that be best achieved?
My current idea is to add the custom_components to my HA .gitignore and then create a repo for custom_components by itself.
flat lintel
@pure vine I intentionally change the channels around nightly just to keep everyone on their toes
shy comet
now if only people will read channel topics lol 😛
(not directed at anyone just in general)
unreal orbit
I feel personally attacked
vast dove
@flat lintel whats the plan for the spammy channels under PLANET HOME ASSISTANT?
flat lintel
Right now the community lives in silos from what I see
We have a group only on the forums, only on the subreddit, only on discord, only on FB
Across all platforms I’m trying to improve visibility of the other platforms so that people know they have options which may be more to their liking or provide a better response
vast dove
Different users, different preferences. Like myself, i never use reddit or facebook.. See no need for it
flat lintel
Now. What I wasn’t expecting was like 3 of 4 of my webhooks not working
Which sucks
But I’ll fix that later
I’m just trying it out for a bit
I really like the #563191600516169740 channel thus far
flat lintel
Yeah as I hoped people would do
vast dove
I think there are too much content posted in those channels to be useful
flat lintel
In a related move on the forums you’ll see I’ve added prominent links to the other platforms on our fancy new header bar
vast dove
I dont see anyone browsing them to find posts on the forum. Its easier to use the forum imho
flat lintel
For you and me yes
But I could name 10 people who are only on Discord and don’t even have a forum account
Just trying to spread the wealth of knowledge to all corners
proven spruce
wow theres a facebook group
flat lintel
It’s SUPER active
paper orchid
hello good ppl of HA community
flat lintel
Almost like 10k members I think
paper orchid
I need help, I have an addiction problem
since I've started with HA i can't stop and keep making changes and figuring out new way to use it
i've ordered a ton of IOT stuff online as well
pls, advise
vast dove
@flat lintel was not meant as criticism . Just curious 😃
vast dove
The channel list on discord is getting pretty long 😄
paper orchid
Thanks @flat lintel , that's exactly the kind of advice I was looking for here 😄
amber bramble
anyone have recommendations for a voltage meter I can stick somewhere in the breaker panel or plugged into an outlet that can monitor voltage and report it back over zwave/zigbee/wifi/mqtt? I have a few smartplugs that can, but they're powered from mains power so if the voltage drops they can't report...
proven spruce
@amber bramble SDM120, SDM230, SDM630 or PZEM004 + esp8266
strange vapor
@brisk glen Nah, you need in QinQ to give every device it's own vlan within the IoT vlan :p
hearty depot
Somebody else got problems with pihole as DNS ?
Finaly found out that my telegram/tado/digital ocean issues are related to the dns 🤦
orchid rose
I finally got my chinese tvbox to run Kodi on. Works pretty well considering the under 30€ price. Not as snappy as my gaming PC unsurprisingly, but good enough. Image quality is okay, but not the same level as with MadVR, but can't get everything I suppose...
Next step is to get a raspberry to run Hass, so I can start turning off my PC 😃
pure vine
How does it handle 1080p
orchid rose
handles 1080p just fine @pure vine. Should handle 4k as well but I don't have a 4k projector
the xiaomi motion sensor was much smaller than I expected. Hides pretty well in the bathroom corner
pure vine
on the topic of motion senors, im doing some coursework on IoT and was looking into bluetooth LE and discovered that the Bluetooth 5 added mesh networking to bluetooth, has any company produced a mesh Bluetooth motion sensors
junior pawn
I'd love a cheap sensor platform that I could have things like air quality, temperature, etc.
midnight adder
@junior pawn xiaomi
most of their stuff is around $10 except for the air quality meters
no clue if they can be hooked up to something other than the gateway tho
i have their temperature sensor, it also measures air pressure and humidity
proven spruce
I have their bt temp and humidity sensors so you don't need a gateway
midnight adder
oh they also have bluetooth versions?
sacred hornet
hey guys
i needed some help with my sudoers setup
is this the right lobby to ask?
when running my script, im getting the 126 error
even though ive added this to my sudoers file homeassistant ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
im running in a venv
clever mortar
Does the unspecified command work if you run it as homeassistant in a shell?
sacred hornet
only if i use sudo 😦
i know you hate people run stuff as sudo
but i appreciate the help mate
@clever mortar i figured out another way to do what i wanted to do, thanks mate 😃
dull chasm
no he dont hate them he just laughs at me
but i never have a permission problem ever
👉 at @clever mortar
clever mortar
🤣
sudo is awesome
Giving full, no password required, sudo access to accounts just so they can run one command... that's the opposite of awesome
clever mortar
I have one - I keep it in a small box
proven spruce
is the box accessible only by sudo?
clever mortar
Yeah, but I forgot the account password 🤔
brisk glen
nothing like good old physical access to fix that
clever mortar
Or a hammer
thorny trench
My aeotec energy monitor is killing me...
Says I'm at 122v that the draw is 4.53Amps .... and its reading 378.3 watts.
That isn't how electricity works.
green inlet
Anyone interested in some used kwikset 916 zwave locks? Hit me up on a pm.
shy comet
@thorny trench sometimes my aeotec energy meters show massive spikes like over 40000 w lol which is impossible for my dryer that is not running lol
grave karma
Sorry if i'm being stupid, but is there a hardware selling area on here?
orchid rose
I don't think so
unreal orbit
I think that falls under the category of or anything 😉
pure vine
@clever mortar isnt the current suggested method is to allow one user to run one program as root with out a password if the needed cap cant be achived with setcap
clever mortar
Well, the "right" approach is to provide the minimum access required
So yes
IMO configuring sudo to allow a service account full power is about as smart as giving up on port forwarding and setting up the DMZ instead, so that you can just access all the services remotely, and not having changed any of the default passwords 😛
vestal reef
I'm going nuts, hoping someone can help ...
I have the samba addon installed and using it for a while now, but for some reason beyond my comprehension it only works sometimes ...!!!...???...
clever mortar
That sounds like a #330990055533576204 problem 😉
vestal reef
I've seached the interwebs and foud and tried lots of things but none of them work
pure vine
@vestal reef #330990055533576204 might be a good place to ask
vestal reef
not really.. i think its more of a networking /* smb thing
clever mortar
If the add-on works intermittently, I'd start by assuming an add-on issue
vestal reef
since it does work sometimes and on the net it seems people are experiencing this out of the hassio sphere also
clever mortar
I've never seen that, or experienced it, and I've been using Samba for a loooooong time
(urr, 20 years ish)
vestal reef
Im pretty confisdent that if I reboot this laptop now, I'll be able to access the share without laying a finger on hassio
and it'll work for an hour or so and then all of a sudden it won't
clever mortar
Samba's SMB is pretty simple, and unless you're messing about with other Samba servers or the like, is really hard to break
Now, if you're starting and stopping multiple NMB servers, that can cause intermittent issues
vestal reef
not really sure how to troubleshoot this issue either
errors windows is giving me are realy basic
clever mortar
If you use the IP, does it work
vestal reef
just \<ip adress> ?
clever mortar
Well, it tells you that Samba is working just fine
vestal reef
didn't even know you could do that
vestal reef
Don't even know what an NMBd is :p
clever mortar
Samba has two parts, one of them handles name resolution - nmbd vs smbd
unreal orbit
Is this a secret code? Should I be writing this down?
dull chasm
yes @unreal orbit and message will self destruct in 15 seconds
wintry crow
Okay the dog is no longer on my laptop
Looks like I need to enrol her on Mavis Beacon teaches typing
humble pond
Your dog wants you to watch episode 5 (Ep5). He even gave you the cypher (rot14)
humble pond
Well your dog is apparently not a fan of that one 😂
rose comet
I dont know why, but I like having a remote control in home assistant for my televisions so I set up another for my LGWebOStv if anyone wants to use it
hearty depot
Atm for free
Command Line Kung Fu: Bash Scripting Tricks, Linux Shell Programming Tips, and Bash One-liners (English Edition)
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B00JRGCFLA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_4wdQCbW5RB4YK
midnight adder
I plan on getting a new TV at the end of may and remote control over lan is totally something i'm keeping in mind
just for shits and giggles
orchid rose
not having physical buttons is just awful though
light trout
Anyone know if someone is working on a component for vmware (esxi)?
I need to automate my snapshots 😛
@clear ferry would know I imagine 😛
clear ferry
@light trout make it read host stats while you are at it 🤔
light trout
Yeah... but preferably someone else would make it 😛
clear ferry
Do you have vcenter though @light trout ? Not sure what APIs exist on each host compared to vc
light trout
nope, only free version of esxi
clear ferry
Would be either local API if it exists, or powercli (powershell with cmdlets) I guess 🤷
light trout
clear ferry
even 6.7u1 support, that is awesome
light trout
Yeah, looks powerfull, would love a HA integration with that
clear ferry
Yeah, hang on, I'll make one, just give me time :p
wary jolt
@clear ferry, thanks for the RGB+CCT controller suggestion. It finally arrived from China a couple of weeks ago and I am loving it.
midnight adder
i should get a smart smoke alarm so i can blast gilbert gottfried over my speakers as i burn to death
inspired by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFfVJ6jAMn8
though really any smoke detector would do right now seeing as i have none
clear ferry
@wary jolt wife adores it 🙇 🙇 🙇 🙇
wary jolt
I still need to install it in my front porch ceiling, I ended up cutting it in 2 pieces to size and soldering wires to serial connect them. I got some aluminum channels with a diffusing cover that I need to cut to size, it'll be awesome.
The only thing is that I can only control either RGB or Cold/Warm White but not both at the same time, which works fine for my application any way.
clear ferry
I have it connected to my hue bridge and use scenes there, so no issue for me 😁
wary jolt
I interface it with a deCONZ USB stick.
But can you have both RGB + CW/WW on at the same time with hue scenes? As far as I know with my version of the Gledopto controller, you can't.
clear ferry
@wary jolt I just press the wireless button and it cycles through my scenes, two dimmed orange ones and two progressively brighter white ones, kitchen counter top goodness
midnight adder
nice, just hooked up the kitchen light to the new aqara motion sensor
using illumination levels as a condition
works great
i need more motion sensors
especially when i get my new couch which i plan to line with led strips on the bottom
you know, sit on couch, light up the floor
midnight adder
actually that might not work when you sit still for a while
wary jolt
@midnight adder, a flex sensor connected to an ESP32 should do the trick.
midnight adder
can those things be bought pre-made
so far I've only been finding a whole bunch of diy stuff
wary jolt
Yeah... only DIY, I think.
tiny parcel
@midnight adder does that motion sensor require a hub?
orchid rose
either the official hub or so some diy
odd mist
it's bad when you're sick and start having dreams that you're sick because your YAML has a syntax error, right?
clear ferry
Business trip tomorrow, up at 5am to catch a plane 😴
@odd mist that is totally normal, I did that for weeks 🙇
Fantasizing about yaml that is
fallow aurora
Has anyone used the Wiz lights?
wintry crow
So I have a Hue hub gathering dust in a cupboard... Is that limited to hue-only devices, or will it support any zigbee devices?
Oops wrong room
clear ferry
@wintry crow I use it with third party ZigBee devices
wintry crow
Oh nice, thx atxbyea. Might need to go shopping again then lol
clear ferry
I prefer hues pairing over IKEA, the IKEA one pisses me off beyond belief
wintry crow
It's gathering dust cos my dog was a pup when I bought it, and she was going thru that teething stage... I need to replace it's power cable
fallow aurora
Any good sites for finding home automation deals and promos?
clever mortar
DrZzs Discord server has some channels for that
clear ferry
@clever mortar ooh another discord to join
clever mortar
If you're using zigbee2mqtt, they have their own too 😛
pliant forge
Finally getting around to move my IoT devices to their own network, are you guys moving your HA to the IoT network or leaving it in the main network?
dull chasm
IOT vlan all the way
wintry crow
Separate physical network for me 😛
clear ferry
@wintry crow so you reach it via the internet? 🤔
wintry crow
No lol. You have 2 options: Get a decent Cisco router with multiple HWICs, or give your HA box 2 NICs - 1 to home network and 1 set up as AP mode from the IoT network
clear ferry
So you in theory create a bridge between the two separate networks 🐷
Potential bridge that is
wintry crow
Yes but set up very restrictive routing
IoT can only hit the HA box, nothing else
Bridging is the wrong word really, as a bridge in essence makes the 2 networks become 1. With correct routing, they stay as 2 completely separate networks, with only 1 route: Your router, or the HA box
clear ferry
No-one would do that in enterprise networking though, because "with correct routing" isn't good enough 😂 if I was that paranoid I would rather expose the iot network to its own internet connection and then manage it through the internet, if I was worried about having someone on the inside of my own network that is 🤷
wintry crow
Hahah I manage some networks that are set up exactly like that. Single WAN link, multiple internal physical connections, and it's good enough for HM Govt accreditation, ISO27001, ITHC, and CyberEssentials+ pentesting 😉
clear ferry
@wintry crow my customers would never accept it, I do mostly health, oil and military though 🤷
wooden stone
So, as I recently moved my HA from RPI3+ to a dedicated server, any nice tips to what I can repurpose it into home automation-wise? 😃
wintry crow
You might wanna suggest it - this is for government contracts too. Saves alot of headaches and cost
clever mortar
hearty depot
got 2 pi zeros laying around for this..
not configured them yet
clear ferry
@wintry crow cost is rarely an issue, they purchase 3x hardware and 6x size usually, and let the equipment sit and wait for install for 3-4 years 🤷
wintry crow
On 1 site I have 4 contracts, each with different government clients, at different security levels, all sharing the 1 WAN link. Secure up to OFFICIAL - Sensitive (the old IL4)
Hahah the UK is different - they're seriously tight with cost
clever mortar
UK can be tight with cost, unless the contract is on the line 😉
clear ferry
@wintry crow oh that is low for me though, usually I'm a few steps up from official....
clever mortar
(source - works in the UK)
wintry crow
Ah, in the UK anything above official has to be off-net for them to even consider it
wintry crow
Tinkerer: Lol as a provider, cost is everything for us even to be in with a chance at bid stage unfortunately. I know what we'd like to do, but they'd never accept the cost of an ideal setup
#pragmatism
wintry crow
LOL
pliant forge
Thanks, i'll try it on the IoT network
clever mortar
Odd how they never go with the recommended route...
wintry crow
"We'll just go with the minimum, cos it's 25m less"
clear ferry
I love that cost is rarely an issue for most of my customers, because if it's down it's useless, so paying £30.000 to replace a system board in the middle of the night is ok, or buying triple site solutions 😂
wintry crow
Oh how the other half live...
We're more "We have a switch gone bang in Canada, any of our other businesses got one they can ship to site for tomorrow?"
clear ferry
I heard about a company that proactively replaced switches though... That was too much for me
Yeah sir our switches are running out of megabytes
wintry crow
I bet the engineers ebay account is nice and fat tho lol
pure vine
Or homes have good networking @wintry crow
wet quail
anyone use a Chromebook for basic development and/or as a terminal?
wintry crow
Hahah true. I've resisted setting my home up with 3 layers of firewalls - altho I could acquire a pair of Cisco, Juniper, and HP ones to do it. Have enough of that malarky at work tho lol
gusty umbra
Anyone know if I would somehow be able to translate these local wall switch types, that are communicating over 868 MHz into MQTT or something so I can integrate them? https://www.lk.dk/produkt/5703302127066
It is really hard to find something that fit in our 50x50mm wall switches here. These are the original IHC wireless system, that are meant to communicate with their own controller. But wondering if I could just use those. Been looking for ages for some kind of Z-wave/Zigbee/Wi-Fi module that I can wire 4 buttons to and put behind all my switches.. :/
clever mortar
There are four button Z-Wave battery powered switches for sure, I've got one
I'm not aware of any Z-Wave modules with more than two inputs though
gusty umbra
The thing is, I don't need any relays or anything. I just need dry contacts. So I just need something that will transmit a signal when I push a button. If I need to put 2 modules with 2 inputs each, that could be alright if the price is alright.
I don't know what something like that would be called. I searched everywhere. I found a few things that looked like what I needed.
The Blebox InBox is exactly what I need. Except it only talks to blebox products.. I need that, but generic or hackable in some way 😃 https://blebox.eu/en/products/32-inbox-wireless-button-module.html
since I did not find anything like that for zigbee / z-wave I started looking the RF route
clever mortar
You could almost certainly DIY it with #551843800209686539 or #551843558676758569
gusty umbra
Surely. But it would be illegal 😦
It would be the easiest to just put a nodemcu in there with a 230v > 24v converter and connect 4 buttons to GPIOs and be done with..
But I need something that is approved to be installed in wall 😦
clever mortar
Only illegal if you're messing with mains voltage
But... Sonoff devices are probably approved in your country
rough zephyr
Is there a non-cloud, distributed audio system (mic array and speaker, maybe display) working fine with home assistant?
clever mortar
~snips
velvet horizonBOT
quartz ether
@gusty umbra what country are you in?
Ignore that will assume by the Danish website you are in Denmark. Pretty sure they are sweet to use but a certified person must install them as they do connect direct to the 240v
gusty umbra
Denmark yeah
quartz ether
Sonoff, Shelly and Z-wave devices like Aeotec and Fibaro are all RoHS2 certified (CE is needed for NZ and AUS) so most installers will happily install them.
gusty umbra
I usually just do it myself as I have a buddy that is certified that just formally approves
But the issue is I need 4 button inputs behind every module that are only 50x50mm
quartz ether
Yea thats the best way to go. But i find a DIY ESP is a little too much to go putting inside a wall.... if it burns down there is NO WAY the insurance is covering it
gusty umbra
Exactly. And unfortunately, it is illegal even without messing with mains @clever mortar 😦
velvet horizonBOT
Tinkerer is away for 20m 8s with a message :point_right: Keep him out of the light. He hates bright light. Especially sunlight - it'll kill him.
quartz ether
Depending on how your board is wired up you could use Shelly Pro 4,
Have a look at the Shell.cloud stuff its small like 40x40mm
And it can be flashed with Tasmota
gusty umbra
As soon as it is inside the wall boxes, it needs to be a certified finished product. So putting a NodeMCU or similar in wall in any way will be illegal.
Yeah I got a few shellies too. Might just go with that and have less connected buttons
If you put something inside the walls, that is not a certified product for it, you legally make yourself the manufacturer. So if you don’t certify that product that’s now yours, it’s illegal.
I think a lot of people don’t recognize this. I just really hope no one ruins their entire life by going bankrupt by this sometime.
So I’ll be putting shellies in the most important places I need to activate scenes for now, and put these in the house when they start shipping in May 😃 https://logic-group.com/produkt/matrix-db/
molten mango
Hey everybody, brand new to discord as well as pretty new to home assistant, so I hope I'm interacting right here! I'm having an issue getting the home assistant config helper extension in visual studio code to work. Does anybody in here use it and have maybe a minute to help out. I'm sure it's a pretty straight forward issue I'm having , haha.
molten mango
Ok, disregard the question above, I figured it out. Long story short, maybe this will help someone in the future. After making two long-lived access tokens, and trying various URL's (with and without https://, IP address, DNS, etc)... I ended up going back to the original values and simply disabling the plugin, then re-enabling it. All is working now.
clear ferry
I laughed too hard at this https://i.redd.it/2txz3qikqyq21.jpg
Also hooray for Mondays, Stavanger next!
strange vapor
@clear ferry Christmas jokes in April? You should be ashamed!
clear ferry
@strange vapor i am always ashamed, my humour is too dark and rubbish anyway 😑
strange vapor
@clear ferry 😃
tranquil bone
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/04/08/linux-mint-sobering-update-developer-struggles-community/. Newsflash: Being nice to people working hard on free products helps motivation!
light trout
@obsidian grove simple version bump of pyhaversion + doc update should be enough to add support in HA now if you are up for it :)
https://github.com/ludeeus/pyhaversion/runs/96113083 Test run showing the posibilities.
https://github.com/ludeeus/pyhaversion/commit/89b2bc37ff346184099187bcd3e7cc54c0e0dfd4 refactor of the lib
obsidian grove
I'll try
light trout
mighty summit
light trout
I have been told over and over and over and over and over and over and over by @obsidian grove that file is too slow with updates 😛
light trout
potato watermelon 🤷
modest wasp
can I get a sanity check? I have two devices currently displaying and reporting correctly in HA. One smart bulb (zigbee) and one smart dimmer (mqtt nothing on the load side). I would like to link their states so that when one changes the other changes. I have explored node-red, and am considering making a virtual group since the dimmer is setup as a light. But there must be a simpler way. I'm hoping I can get some ideas.
light trout
obsidian grove
@light trout I don't know if I did the right thing (probably not), I downloaded version / sensor.py and init.py in custom components. Modified in REQUIREMENTS = ['pyhaversion == 2.2.0']. Now I have to add all images (or at least raspberrypi3-homeassistant) to ALL_IMAGES?
light trout
versionbump + doc update is all that should be needded 😉
obsidian grove
and let me understand, do you think I should do a PR now? Are you kidding? Never done such a thing ...😜
light trout
Yes :)
It's like candy, one bite and you are hooked 😄
obsidian grove
Ok, I want to try. I have to look at other's work. It will take time...that I shouldn't have seen that I'm at work now!
light trout
https://developers.home-assistant.io/docs/en/development_index.html is a great resource for your first few PR's 😃
light trout
Don't be, if local tests pass and you are happy with the change, create a PR, if something is not "up to code" the kind reviewers will guide you there 😃
obsidian grove
I'm still scared... See you in a week or so...
light trout
We belive in you! 🎉
obsidian grove
But... I have to wait for a new release to see if this works...😏
modest wasp
@light trout when I apply it as an automation it says that the action I want to take is unsupported. https://i.imgur.com/Ty7cn14.png
light trout
It is (for the UI editor)
modest wasp
i actually created a dummy automation then deleted it and pasted in the automation you linked.
sorry i just looked at the history. it is triggering when i change states. but the state is not syncing. gonna have to see what i did wrong
looks like the screenshot was just a UI error.
obsidian grove
@light trout Ok, I still think I'm stealing your job, however I understand what you're trying to get me to do. So ... I forked home-assistant on github. I edited sensor.py and manifest.json with pyhaversion == 2.2.0. Now how do I edit the docs? Or is this is enough for the PR of the code and do I have to do another for the docs?
light trout
Docs are here https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant.io
For the docs I think it should be enough changing
The image you want to check against, this is only supported for hassio, see full list under.
to
The image you want to check against, this is only supported for hassio and docker, see full list under.
Oh, stringify is shutting down. 🙁 Long live Home Assistant!
light trout
Never heard of that one 😛
unreal orbit
Looks like cloud based automation. Meh
light trout
IFTT....internet went down, no T
unreal orbit
Yet another reason not to trust cloud based platforms 👏
clear ferry
Or as I say to customers after working in the enterprise space for 12 years, "cloud" "composable" "software defined" and all other buzzwords 😏 I vividly overstate the airquotes when doing presentations
I have yet to see a single product last long enough to become a standard
obsidian grove
@light trout OK! I got it. But my job keeps getting in the way. However it is right true they are 2 separate PRs ...
light trout
GitHub? Docker hub?
clever mortar
Linux 😛
pure vine
I love how much traction let encrypt has gained
the open data portal of my local goverment uses lets encrypt
light trout
Correct @obsidian grove
clever mortar
(yes, I know that's not a single product)
light trout
In two different repo's
clear ferry
@light trout neither of those is a product we or our competitors sell or has sold 🤷
light trout
You are in the wrong business then. 😜
pure vine
I agree with @clever mortar @clear ferry Linux seems to be the only thing to remain standard for a very long time
clever mortar
(Actually, BSD got there first 😛 )
pure vine
Not realy
clear ferry
My paycheck and flexible alarm clock does not agree @light trout 😂 🙇
pure vine
The whole reason linux got popular was 1 IBM was endorsing it and 2 it was a unix ship to jump to while the BSD's where having issues with AT&T laywers
clear ferry
Long live HP-UX 😂 ❤
pure vine
that reminds me i was listening to BSD now the otherday and they where talking about a blog post where someone uses aux(a single threaded program) to process data and aux proformed faster than hadoop
lemmie find it
https://nanxiao.me/en/what-you-need-may-be-pipeline-unix-commands-only/ Ok, it was less time in human hours
obsidian grove
@light trout Ok, I'll do this tonight. Now I have to go home from work 7 PM here. Thanks!
light trout
You have a wierd half timezone 😜
obsidian grove
7.26...
I saved it as draft to work later on this, But I think this is not right... @light trout
light trout
You will figure it out 😉
pure vine
novel isle
I have a question, is this a fork of linuxmce or some other project or all from scratch?
clear ferry
@novel isle if home assistant is a fork of a media center? 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔
novel isle
ok so from scratch based on media center, gotcha
couldn't find in teh docs where it explained that
pure vine
Im confused are you on about home assistant
Home assistant is a from scratch python project @novel isle
hass.io is based on alpine linux
gusty umbra
Anyone know a lot about thermostats and maybe in particular Nest ones? I am thinking about how to improve my heating setup. Currently we have a controller in each end of the house, that each open actuators for each zone based on RF thermostats calling for heat. I was thinking about wiring a single nest to each controller, and cycle it through the zones continuously with relays, if I could somehow feed it temperatures from my rooms that I already have available from Xiaomi sensors in each room. Would that be possibly? Basically I just want to “steal” the Nest algorithms and use it across all my zones instead of having to buy 16 thermostats
hearty depot
I heard something bout nest that they close down their api...
Meight want to check on that
I use tado for now - but my heater system is so oldscool that i could easy do it with an esp and an relais. meight send the tado device back.
gusty umbra
I could also just do it with relays and an esp, but the thing is I would like to handle the algorithm part of it. Cause there is a huge delay in heating in my home, as I only have radiant (hydronic underfloor heating)
So on a cold night, the heating really gets going, so when there's sun in the morning, the house gets insanely hot
empty wren
any ideas for table mounted displays that look similar to the echo show that you can have display lovelace?
was thinking about the amazon fire hd and a show mode dock but that seems to have limitations
gusty umbra
you could use any tablet and create your own stand for it.
Would be cool to make something out of oak or something with a CNC'ed aluminum foot
empty wren
problem is charging without the ugly cable hanging out the side
modest wasp
@empty wren recessed power outlet
empty wren
not looking to wallmount
modest wasp
fair enough
empty wren
looking to have it on a table or cabinet
modest wasp
i didn't even read what you were doing. just answered about an ugly cord
empty wren
maybe something like an angled stand that offers wireless charging
leaden adder
My hassos stopped booting again... I think my ST card might be broken. what tool are you using to test sd cards?
proven spruce
you don't, you just buy a new one
pure vine
you dont, you stop using Pi's
proven spruce
thats step 2 😛
leaden adder
@proven spruce that will be a solution
I’m actually looking for a nuc on eBay since a few days 🤷🏼♂️
Or what alternatives would recommend for Hassos? @pure vine
@pure vine and if you are using a nuc: Celeron or I3/i5?
proven spruce
what do you want to run on that nuc?
leaden adder
HassOS together with a few addons like Dasher
kindred cradle
I was looking for a NUC as well, instead got a good deal on a Gigabyte Brix Celeron, 4GB, 120GB SSD.. a bit overkill for Hass but now also run PiHole and Unifi controller on it
proven spruce
nuc might be an overkill in that case... you can try and find a j3455 or j4105 based one, they should be cheaper than i3/i5 ones
those brix ones are cool
i build a server from j3455 and 4gb ram and it runs debian server/NAS with 15 docker containers without issues
you only need a beefier cpu if you're transcoding video to multiple clients or doing multiple streaming cameras
pure vine
I have a i5 laptop running home assistant in a venv i only realy need the i5 for doing rtl_sdr thing as that uses a lot of cpu power
leaden adder
Thanks for the advice! Then I will look for a j3455 :)
Videotranscoding is done from my synology 😉
obsidian grove
@light trout https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant/pull/22896 I think it's a mess
velvet horizonBOT
Ludeeus is away for 30m 34s with a message :point_right: 💤 🐑 💤
proven spruce
you can even look for J1800 or J1900
leaden adder
I don’t want to start too small 🙈
It should last a few years. Wasn’t there a cool face detection HassIO Addon?
kindred cradle
lol I started off on a laptop with a broken screen. i7 6700HQ, 16GB and 480GB SSD GTX 950 . That now runs Kodi
proven spruce
holy crap... only kodi...
leaden adder
Kodi runs pretty fine on my tiny Fire TV Stick 😳
kindred cradle
Hahaha yes. Well it was a free kit. someone was throwing it away so I took it
wintry crow
I still have a pair of N54L HP microservers from a few years back. One runs my TV server, the other runs HA, Plex, and my file server. Both still run great
With the modded BIOS you can have 6 HDDs in each
kindred cradle
Unsurprisingly, old dated kit is still good for running a lot of stuff
leaden adder
Right now I prefer a nuc as hassOS don’t support bluetooth in a “normal” installation. Of did that changed? A lot of my smart home devices a connected via Bluetooth
wintry crow
Hmmm I have an Acer Revo kicking about. That would run HA just fine
kindred cradle
I think they have added more Bluetooth support using BlueZ in HassOS?
amber bramble
Stringify is shutting down
kindred cradle
Bummer. Thats bad news
amber bramble
and Wink doesn't look to be doing so well either
rose comet
those using smart locks, what are yall using?
modest wasp
there are so many SBC now you can find a good deal. but if you need HASSIO and not just HA then getting a machine with an image is preferred. I like doing just normal docker though.
lyric sparrow
Hey, why are some platforms auto-discoverable and others aren’t?
bright gyro
Anyone know of the Sylvania Lightify bulbs work well with HA? They’re on sale right now and could really fill out my house with a few of them.
shy comet
they do @bright gyro you can use them with their own hub, hue hub and a few other zigbee platforms
i am personally using them with their own hub
bright gyro
Hmm. Would you think they would work with wink?
shy comet
im sure they do
bright gyro
I have two wink v1 hubs that is just currently being used for a Smartthings door sensor.
shy comet
a quick google reveals https://www.wink.com/help/products/sylvania-smart-rgbw/
bright gyro
Blah. Limit 3 per customer.
shy comet
yea i cant even ship the rgbw ones to my house its dumb
the 2 pack will ship and so will everything else lol
but the 2 pack cost almost the price of 3 at the sale
the light strips are cool i have a few of them
got them in the kitchen and using some for bias lighting behind the tv
unreal orbit
Woot! Successfully added a Zwave controller and a door lock to my config. That was an adventure
shy comet
what lock did you end up going with @unreal orbit ?
humble pond
follow
unreal orbit
I went with a kwikset 910
It has the "smart key" feature so I didn't have to get everyone new house keys
shy comet
nice
i have a Schalge BE469
i give everyone a unique code and basically the lock is the alarm entry point....you arm and disarm the house at the lock..if you are just leaving and someone is home i have a custom auto lock timer setup at 3 min to account for helping at the car etc.. lol
unreal orbit
Literally the only reason I didn't get a Schlage is because I wanted all my house keys to match. We have 2 other locks with the same key
shy comet
haahah
unreal orbit
Yeah I'm starting to imagine how I'm going to setup automations with it. I need to get my prescence detection locked down. At least for arrivals
shy comet
my favorite reason for the schlage is i only need keys if i need my car 😛
yea wifi and BT woudl be good for that...if you can look into monitor on the pi
works very well here
unreal orbit
That's what I have, but some of us have android and some have iphone, so getting the wifi triggers right will be a challenge
shy comet
ah yea were all android here so makes things a bit easier
unreal orbit
I could probably convince him to just get the app going. I've heard the gps tracking is pretty spot on
shy comet
i dont do any unlocking automations though personally
unreal orbit
The one I know will work perfectly is the mqtt garage door opener that works based off the d1 mini pro
I just have to think of clever ways to not unlock the door when leaving the house
shy comet
yea thats a good one for vehicle presence
unreal orbit
I'm really just excited this gave me the kick in the ass I needed to take the zwave plunge
humble pond
I'm thinking of going keyless
humble pond
Amazon's got a good deal on these rn: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076WZT4VD/
shy comet
oh wow totally keyless
unreal orbit
I just don't like touchscreens like that. I've had too many issues in the past
Physical buttons was a must for me
humble pond
I don't plan on touching it 😃
unreal orbit
Valid point 🤣
unreal orbit
I just like having a backup plan
shy comet
knowing your door is locked before you go to bed
unreal orbit
Or if you forgot to lock it
shy comet
the night before i had mine i fell asleep with the door unlocked....never again
unreal orbit
Do you have it lock after a certain time?
humble pond
That's what my cameras are for... and alexa waking us up in the middle of the night due to a cat 😆
... maybe locks are a better idea
shy comet
no it just auto locks when the door is closed for 3 minutes and the door is left unlocked
every 5 minutes i get an alert if its left unlocked which is rare
having a contact sensor on the door is a must i feel
unreal orbit
I thought of doing a simple one like that. But I feel like I'd be cursing myself on the next day I do work on the outside of the house
shy comet
eh its a lil annoying but you can probably setup a boolean to disable it
i personally just like knowing the house is locked
unreal orbit
The notification is a good option for me I think. I do something similar for my garage door
I might try just having locked be the default. Even if you forget a key, it only takes a second to put in a code
Or pull my phone out
shy comet
yea i also setup notifications for lock jammed and too many failed attempts
unreal orbit
I hadn't even thought about error handling 😅
shy comet
haha
its all on my github if you want to get motivated 😛 just search my automation file for lock.front_door and you should see what i do with it 😛
unreal orbit
Thanks for the tip! I'll have to convert it all to node-red flows, but that shouldn't take long 😉
light trout
@obsidian grove you should have created a new feature branch in your fork, and you need to run the script script/gen_requirements_all.py as stated by CircleCI
obsidian grove
@light trout sorry, this means that I must have a test environment right?
light trout
Yes, all changes should be tested locally :)
With the experience you gain from that you can make even more changes, maybe close a few bugs? 😁
obsidian grove
I don't think I'll be able to seup a test environment. It requires time that I don't have. Sorry to disappoint you but think that this is the top I can do for now...@light trout
obsidian grove
@light trout Hi, Fabaff has approved the PR. As I told you, I can't install the test environment. If you want to take it into your hands, I can cancel the PR. If there is no other way to proceed, I will stop here unfortunately.
I thought it was enough to test the changes as custom components
light trout
He is admin on the project and codeowner for that platform so if he approves it's ok.
usually this is the way to test changes before making a PR https://developers.home-assistant.io/docs/en/development_testing.html
obsidian grove
But if he approved the PR now who gonna merge it?
light trout
usually the user that approves it
obsidian grove
So we just have to wait?
obsidian grove
@light trout OttoWinter added a comment asking for running the script/gen_requirements_all.py script.
and I can't
light trout
sure you can :D
Setting up a test env should not take more than a few mins
clear ferry
I like I created a few light and lamp icons for HA using the MDI guidelines - https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/ba3p57/i_created_a_few_light_and_lamp_icons_for_ha_using/
obsidian grove
@light trout So I found a win10 PC, i followed all instructions and find out it's a win10 1607 LTSB, and can't install WSL. I give up.
mighty summit
@obsidian grove with w10 1607 LTSB you 're pretty much stuck.
If you have a license for w10 Enterprise, you might be able to migrate to that. And you should be ablt to get WSL.
Better off wiping the entire thing though
obsidian grove
Can't do that, the pc I found is not mine.... thanks anyway.
mighty summit
@obsidian grove it might have Hyper-V tho ?
obsidian grove
Sorry @mighty summit this is not so important. Thanks anyway. It's a thing between me and Ludeeus...
hollow sparrow
Hello. I hope this is the best place to ask. I'm totally new to Home Automation, but have bought a new house and had a cat6 ethernet network put into every room in the house with the aim being great connections for general use but to also enable Home Automation and Smart Home stuff. I am looking for someone who is experienced and would act as a kind of "mentor" in this area to tell me how I should set things up, what i should set up, what stuff I should buy. So that I can avoid making mistakes that mean I'm replacing things in 6 months when I realize there was a better solution.
I think this is suited to someone who is bored at work and just likes to talk about Home Automation things anyway and would get a kick out of having a blank slate to design/engineer a cool whole home system. As beyond that network being laid, and the walls of the house going up, pretty much everything else is open to be changed as the house isnt even finished being built yet.
I should probably mention that from what research I've done, I think I will want to use Home Assistant in the house as my platform for the automation
mighty summit
@hollow sparrow where on the globe are you ?
hollow sparrow
UK, South
mighty summit
and what's your timeline ?
hollow sparrow
Build complete end of May, legal completion end of June, and want to get up and running pretty soon after moving in, but no real timeline. I expect largest restriction will be budget as I have a few thousand £ to go into it, but thats got to cover everything from lights, to speakers, to the switches and the switch rack etc.
mighty summit
i see.
hollow sparrow
is that a bad "I see"?
hollow sparrow
Okay ty anyway
unreal orbit
So I ran into a fun problem today. I just found out that my tplink router only allows 32 DHCP reservations 😡 I'm thinking about accelerating my plan to switch to an EdgeRouter
Can anyone confirm that there is no limit to the number of reservations on an edgerouter?
dull chasm
damn i would be screwed with only 32
dull chasm
i got a unif pro4 and no limit so far and i am up to around 80
unreal orbit
I think that uses the same OS
And from videos I've seen it looks like it shouldn't be an issue
dull chasm
everybody is asleep so cliet count is a little low but works and hightest i got is 85 i think
unreal orbit
your network is massive compared to mine
shy comet
wow 24 port?
dull chasm
yep
dull chasm
unifi
unreal orbit
What do you use the POE for? Cameras mainly?
shy comet
yea cameras and some APs
dull chasm
shy comet
jealous man, i was eyeing out the 16 port myself
unreal orbit
Wow. I was contemplating whether $57 for an edgerouter was too much for me right now...
But I did just spend a bunch of money on the doorlock and smart irrigation system 😅
shy comet
oh im rocking the erx @unreal orbit its great
dull chasm
i am moving 16 to front of living room .....i wished i had a place to run home runs but i dont ..... so i use the switches as the home run
shy comet
you should get a deal for like 50 bucks on it though
@dull chasm yea same here, im also full on ports so my desire for another switch has increased
unreal orbit
I'm not worried about 7 bucks if it's on prime and I'll get it tomorrow
dull chasm
mine is simple too
shy comet
i started with 1 AC lite and I am using the AC lite to power the ER-X
ubiquiti is really simple to setup
didnt think it woudl be that easy
unreal orbit
We use a ubiquiti airMAX system at work
But our main router is still a crappy ISP one 🤣
shy comet
haha
unreal orbit
Alright, it is done. Maybe I'll convince my boss we need to upgrade our router once I get used to the setup
dull chasm
tell him you will get this pretty display to monitor devices
unreal orbit
He loves ubiquiti stuff, I doubt he will take much convincing
Especially considering our current router doesn't even support dhcp reservations... like at all
Managing everything with static IPs is a huuuge PITA
unreal orbit
I think that's how most of us learn it unfortunately
Dang, zwave and a proper router in the same week. My network/IOT setup is starting to actually look pretty respectable
pliant forge
@unreal orbit which lock did you get?
unreal orbit
Kwikset 99100-078
pliant forge
I was looking at the Yale assure for $160
unreal orbit
My two requirements were a physical key backup, and physical buttons instead of a touchpad
and being able to rekey the actual lock on the fly is very nice
pliant forge
I wanna get rid of my keys 😂
unreal orbit
I'm perfectly fine just leaving them in my pocket 😉
I have keys for work that I need to carry anyway
high hazel
So, I tried helping on the translation, but Lokalise.co is down...
pliant forge
Did they stop making the rain machine mini 8?
midnight adder
well, shit, I accidentally bought a french smart plug
does this even fit europlugs
if it doesn't i'm gonna irrationally hate the french even more than I already do
looks like it does, that's better than nothing i guess
pearl plinth
@midnight adder you made me laugh 😂
unreal orbit
@pliant forge looks like it, unless it's just insanely backordered. But it looks like the 8-pro is what they're pushing now
pliant forge
I have been waiting for a long time to get back in stock on amazon. That’s something else I gotta get at some point
Is anyone using the Yale Assure Lock SL? Any problems with them and HA?
unreal orbit
I mean the price difference is 10 bucks to get the pro, doesn't seem worth waiting for
pliant forge
Yea I have a long list of “needs” 😂
shy comet
dont we all @pliant forge 😛
humble pond
@pliant forge - I am looking into the Assure Lock SL myself... especially since they are on a pretty good sale.
But I want 3 of them for all of my doors... and that adds up quick 😅
pliant forge
That’s the cheapest I have seen it.
I would need 2, but I would start with one for now
Would like to hear some feedback from people that have them before pulling the trigger.
inner lava
LOL I think I put the wrong Configurator URL in my sidepanel 🤣
vale shale
@pliant forge I have an assure sl and it works great! Looking to get one or two more. The one issue that I've found is that for some reason HA can think that it is unlocked when it is locked and show lock for the switch in the frontend when it is already locked.
pliant forge
Thanks for the feedback. @vale shale
vale shale
No Problem! It's a great lock!
light trout
Continiuing from #330990055533576204 Fine... I got about 30 mins before I need to make dinner, @obsidian grove @trail crag what do you want from a sesnor like that?
obsidian grove
It’s a Cogneato idea, I don’t expect anything...
But maybe... a binary sensor true if there are breaking changes regarding components used?
light trout
binary? FFS... okey...
obsidian grove
@trail crag what do you think?
A list of used components WITH breaking changes? Boh!
trail crag
my router seems to have died
light trout
want a sensor for that to? 😛
trail crag
now I'm heading out
sure lol
though the whole house is a sensor in this case.
A list of breaking changes that would apply to components that are used, but that would mean the breaking changes list needs to be standardized somewhat
light trout
That is the hard part, I have that covered allready ;)
https://hachanges.halfdecent.io/91/json
clever mortar
@light trout Keeps doing strangely useful things... or maybe just strange things that happen to be useful... or, I dunno 😛
light trout
The second one sounds more correct 🤣
light trout
@obsidian grove @trail crag @clever mortar ok-ish?
clever mortar
That's pretty nice
obsidian grove
I like that!
trail crag
🎉
light trout
current stable
obsidian grove
ok got it
light trout
MVP, can be expanded in the future by you 😉
obsidian grove
stop it😁
pliant forge
How’s your first PR going? @obsidian grove
obsidian grove
what PR? Ludeeus did that...
light trout
Just waiting for someone to hit
https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant/pull/22896 @obsidian grove your first PR on github 😄
light trout
uuuups :P
been there xD
obsidian grove
hahaha
obsidian grove
@light trout The sensor shows components I don't have:
light trout
Stupid. 😕
Will have a look after dinner
obsidian grove
enjoy your meal
light trout
@obsidian grove even if you are not using then, they are loaded due to their config flow (integration tab)
sterile ferry
wondering if the tensorflow component could be tweaked to use the google coral accelerator device.
trail crag
@light trout nice!
velvet horizonBOT
Ludeeus is away for 4h 43m with a message :point_right: 💤 🐑 💤
humble pond
@sterile ferry - short answer is no. A new component for coral would need to be built as the models and framework that coral uses are different.
sterile ferry
@humble pond I was thinking that after looking at the component code. I'm not a programmer so will have to wait or try to cobble something together to try.. I picked one up and am impressed with it's speed. Def an option to offload the work for lower power devices. There's a project in the forums working toward using the coral but it want's to use run object detection constantly over an rtsp stream.
open scaffold
Hello guys, any idea why my humidity sensors has no history while the temp ones have?
clear ferry
@open scaffold what sensors? 🤷
light trout
Humidity @clear ferry
obsidian grove
Hi @light trout I'm trying the breaking changes sensor. 0.0.2. Now there are too few items... I do use xiaomi_aqara and http component, but they does not appear anymore in the list:
I really prefer this "beta tester" role... to that of developer. It is much easier to blame the errors of others ...😜
light trout
No matter what it is I get the blame, I'm used to it at this point. 🤣
open scaffold
@clear ferry it is an aqara weather station that reports temperature, pressure, and humidity.
light trout
https://github.com/custom-components/breaking_changes/releases/tag/0.0.4 try this @obsidian grove
unreal orbit
Can I get a sensor to retrieve the breaking changes for the breaking changes component?
light trout
Don't need it, it will not break 🤣
unreal orbit
Famous last words
dull chasm
@unreal orbit got new switch installed WOOT WOOT
unreal orbit
Nice! My router comes today, so I get to rebuild my entire network when I get home 😃
obsidian grove
@light trout websocket_api: is part of http?
dull chasm
fun times? 🤣
light trout
I have no idea @obsidian grove
unreal orbit
Hopefully! I am putting my money on forgetting at least one thing that ends up breaking something in HA
dull chasm
yep most likely
obsidian grove
I have that but is commented out..@light trout . I don't think you read the commented components...
light trout
I do
obsidian grove
noooo...
light trout
dull chasm
@light trout does everthing and any metion other wise comes with high consequences
light trout
frontend loads websocket_api https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant/blob/dev/homeassistant/components/frontend/manifest.json
obsidian grove
ok, I removed # websocket_api: from config and restarted. Still there
light trout
read one message over yours 😉
obsidian grove
ah, ok! 👍
Then seems ok now! Waiting for the next release to be sure...
Good work! As always...
@trail crag Have you seen this? ☝
light trout
obsidian grove
but that was 0.0.1...
light trout
the principle and idea stays the same 😛
obsidian grove
I don'think he even tried that. He has the ideas and somebody has to make them true ... and test them 😬
light trout
Sounds correct 😛
trail crag
@obsidian grove yep, saw it last night after finally fixing my router situation
I had to turn lights off and open my garage door with my teeth and a big rock for a while
obsidian grove
Only admins can post links to single discord messages?
light trout
only folks that enable developer tools in their discord client can do that 😉
light trout
https://i.ibb.co/jJWLLwT/image.png @obsidian grove 😄
obsidian grove
??? I don't have that
light trout
well.. I just added that on my dev computer so I certainly hope not 🤣
obsidian grove
It can look at breaking changes even in betas? How to say... when breaking changes are published?
light trout
beta will not work
obsidian grove
not for now...
light trout
I use the blogpost to get the info, that is not complete before the releaase.
obsidian grove
What about the RC blog? https://rc--home-assistant-docs.netlify.com/blog/
light trout
maybe I'll have a look tomorrow
obsidian grove
Who's the puppet now? 😜
light trout
@clever mortar
velvet horizonBOT
Tinkerer is away for 18h 47m 30s with a message :point_right: The Shadow knows!
light trout
https://github.com/custom-components/breaking_changes/releases/tag/0.1.0 @obsidian grove go fetch 😛
obsidian grove
Aye sir!
dull chasm
.help
velvet horizonBOT
For help with Hassbot, please visit https://github.com/skalavala/HassBot#home-assistant-discord-bot
obsidian grove
Good! For others, I'm always on the latest! 😜 ...for now. I'll downgrade my test instance to try
light trout
I tested by modifying the code, thats how I could take that screenshot ; )
@obsidian grove did you get an update for docker image?
Testing raspberrypi3 stable
Version: 0.91.3
Version data: {'beta': False, 'source': 'Docker', 'image': 'raspberrypi3-homeassistant'}
I was writing the same to you!
But mine was faster (only for 1 minute) 😂
It's for the 5 minutes asynchrony
If you know what I mean
light trout
I didn't get a notification (that would require me to use HA), I ran the tests for the lib 😛
obsidian grove
I had the notification, infact I'm already on 0.91.3...
my ssh rest command works like a charm
Now I go testing the iOS app changes...
midnight adder
i should buy a kinect and see if I can hook it up to home assistant somehow
would be a great presence detector
mild cloak
@light trout i am heading out so can't submit an issue to your repo until later, but just wanted to give quick heads up. for me the breaking_changes custom component does not appear in your custom updater. i think that is because your resources.json file has a typo. thanks for both amazing components btw.
light trout
I'm aware, it's a combination of multiple issues, I'll see if I can fix that later today/this week
white radish
anyone heard when the roborock t6 will be available in america?
wary jolt
@midnight adder, I have a Kinect gathering dust somewhere... Would you stop giving me ideas?
vale shale
@wet pilot Are you excited for the Playoffs? 😛
brittle trellis
oh it's not that bad
unreal orbit
It kinda is though.
brittle trellis
maybe if you're still running a netbook 😂
unreal orbit
Even with my desktop with an SSD it still takes like 15 minutes for a major update. That's a huge workflow interruption
hearty depot
LTSB for the win
clear ferry
Yeah, I'm glad I stopped working as a Microsoft admin before I got too suicidal
obsidian grove
@light trout Hi, the braking changes sensor makes a lot more sense now (when you're already on the latest version, breaking changes don't matter). However I thought that since there is the number of changes in the sensor, the binary sensor is superfluous. You can always check sensor.potential_breaking_changes> 0. Don't you think?
light trout
Well.. true... But you wanted a binary sensor, so I made a binary sensor...
obsidian grove
This was the initial idea, but since you did the sensor with the number and the list is in the attributes ...
obsidian grove
as you want, it's not a problem. No more PR for me, for now
light trout
Your first is merged, you did good there, and for a custom component there are not that may rules/guidelines
obsidian grove
Ok master, I'll look into it if I find the time.
clear ferry
@light trout I also want a slave, where did you get this one, and was the price reasonable? 😂
light trout
He was lurking in the #ios_and_mac-archived channel 🙈
obsidian grove
ha ha...😡
light trout
Oh and it's not slavery, it's recruitment to open source @clear ferry 😉
light trout
Loooks goodwill, Will have another look when I get home
obsidian grove
It's simple to remove things... and it can be done only on web (and test in custom components on pi)
light trout
Same for adding things on small "projects@ like custom component
hushed basalt
@clear ferry ew microsoft administration
I thought Windows LTSB has a huge list of caveats anyways
I love my tomato router
NameTomatoUSBModelAsus RT-N15UChipsetBroadcom BCM5357 chip rev 2 pkg 10CPU Frequency500MHzFlash Size8MB TimeThu, 11 Apr 2019 19:58:50 +0800Uptime91 days, 07:52:30CPU Load (1 / 5 / 15 mins)0.00 / 0.00 / 0.00Total / Free Memory60.00 MB / 49.51 MB (82.51%)Total / Free NVRAM32.00 KB / 8972 (27.38%)
So efficient for what it is
midnight adder
Polls are fun! Which is your favourite analytics software? React with your vote.
📊 Google Analytics - Pretty dominant, https://analytics.google.com
📎 Paperclip - Ethical and Transparent and free, https://paperclip.live
⏲ Statcounter - Paid, but lots of data, https://statcounter.com
sturdy niche
Paperclip is a cool startup
pure vine
There is also pikwik
Pikiwik is quite a nice self hosted analytics
They changed their name... again https://matomo.org/
midnight adder
Yeah, I'm considering switching from google analytics
leaden adder
Is this normal on a fresh hassOS installation? 😦
trail crag
@leaden adder no
leaden adder
😢
leaden adder
Yep, I‘m moving from a Pi 😃
trail crag
What is that log from? The pi or the new install?
leaden adder
The new install
trail crag
A VM?
leaden adder
Nope, native hassOS on a nuc
trail crag
ah ok
leaden adder
Flashed to the ssd via Etcher
trail crag
did you also see this page https://github.com/home-assistant/hassos/blob/dev/Documentation/boards/nuc.md#installation
the installation part at the bottom
which should be moved to the top
leaden adder
😮 no... Never saw that
I just followed this "guide": https://community.home-assistant.io/t/intel-nuc-help-needed/100075/9?u=pattyland
trail crag
@leaden adder you also might try installing ubuntu server or proxmox (popular lately)
odd mason
recommend proxmox
it's pretty great. i have a bunch of LXC containers and ubuntu VMs running
@flat lintel what's up with the circleci bot in the #561037165887488001 channel
doesn't have any information
leaden adder
@trail crag I thought this comment is related to the first post and my "guide" is an update
I've seen a few hints to Proxmox... I thought having hassOS "native" would be best approach to get the most of my hardware, and not spending much load to a hypervisor
The installation method on https://github.com/home-assistant/hassos/blob/dev/Documentation/boards/nuc.md#installation looks pretty much the same like flashing the image with Etcher right?
Just that you don't need to physically take out the SSD, which I just bought so it was not a problem for me
trail crag
@leaden adder I see. Depending on what kind of NUC this is, you might consider a proxmox install anyway, since it will let you run HassOS in addition to other VMs of your choosing. Your NUC will be more like a swiss army knife. Or even have the option of several VMs of HassOS to choose from (beta, non beta, etc)
leaden adder
@trail crag Swiss Army knife sounds good 😄 I bought a used J3455 for 100 bucks from eBay, with a celeron processor. I was so annoyed of the slowness of the Pi
I don’t know whether this is enough to run many vms performant
trail crag
I don't know who whizkerz007 is here in discord or if he is even here, but he's got a script that makes it easy once proxmox is installed
How much RAM does it have? or maybe @odd mason would know if it's good enough
If I had a NUC I'd run it that way myself, but I have two Unraid boxes that I use instead
trail crag
@odd mason do you think a celeron j3455 can run proxmox well?
unreal orbit
Is there any real benefit to running proxmox with VMs rather than ubuntu server with docker containers?
odd mason
@trail crag it's debian based so if debian runs you should be fine tbh
leaden adder
@trail crag I put 4GB in, i could upgrade to 8
Won’t there be problems with Bluetooth if run hassio inside a vm?
trail crag
@unreal orbit one is isolating machines, so you could have multiple OS's is the only benefit I see
odd mason
@unreal orbit not really. i use LXC containers instead of docker because it feels like a complete enivronment to me
trail crag
but I don't know about a celeron with 4GB RAM...might be better off with an straight ubuntu/debian install
unreal orbit
Ah yeah true, if something was OS specific. VMs are a lot easier for me to wrap my head around than docker at this point in my life
odd mason
you can install proxmox over debain too
so do that, try it out, if u don't like it, remove proxmox
u don't have to use the OS version
leaden adder
@odd mason is Bluetooth working inside the Proxmox vm? Many of my devices are connected via Bluetooth LE
odd mason
@leaden adder i don't have any bluetooth devices but i don't see why not. You would just pass the bluetooth device into the container/vm
that's how i'm doing zwave with my aeotec zwave stick
leaden adder
@odd mason thanks for all the advices and help. I think for now I will just run hassOS directly on my nuc and look a for i3 nuc for 2020 and got my my Swiss Army knife 😊
midnight adder
@wary jolt i'm probably picking up a second hand kinect tomorrow or something, if I can get it working over the weekend I'll let you know
wary jolt
@midnight adder , please do! I'll look for mine today, I am sure it's in a box somewhere.
south dawn
hello automation friends 😄
I love the new camera option, but i have some troubles wraping my head around it. mainly how to handle recorded files and record until motion is off
shy comet
@south dawn stopping the recording is not a feature yet but i think its coming....and what do you mean about handle recorded files? if you mean play them in the front end i dont think thats possible yet. May need to send the file to yourself via a notification method that supports video?
south dawn
Oh cool. Didn't think about that.
I know that it just came out. So i try to image how it would be handled or used
green inlet
Nest thermostats.....what’s the good,the bad, and the ugly?
unreal orbit
The good is they are nice to look at, the bad and ugly are that they're cloud based and subject to Google's whim
I personally haven't had many issues, but many people do. I think it depends on your region
wary jolt
When their server is down, which doesn't happen very often but it happens, that Nest smart thermostat becomes a really dumb thermostat.
green inlet
Can you control them is HA?
@unreal orbit , when you say region? U.S.?
Or Europe has issues?
green inlet
@unreal orbit and @wary jolt , given the opportunity to replace them today...would you?
unreal orbit
Tough question
Even though it's cloud based it's been pretty solid for me
And it is the best looking by far
I would probably give venstar a chance if I could go back
wary jolt
I agree with @unreal orbit, in looks the Nest is hard to beat. It also integrates very well with HA.
With that said, even though my goal is to have everything local and away from any cloud service, it would be hard to find a good candidate for a replacement.
And... There is also this post:
https://community.home-assistant.io/t/nest-locks-users-out-of-their-own-data/
leaden adder
Maybe this is a dump question, but what category in the forums would be best for posting error logs and asking for help?
configuration? But I don't know wether this is configuration issue
clever mortar
I'd try there, posts can be moved
low harness
Yay Snow! And I just got the spikes off...
clever mortar
Send some our way please
low harness
You can have it. I was picking flowers in the forrest yesterday. I'd much rather do that than showel snow at this time of year.
orchid rose
Are there big performance differences between the raspberry versions when it comes to running Home Assistant? Can I save a few ducats or should I just get the latest version?
light trout
orchid rose
oh, thanks
clever mortar
TL/DR: Buy the best you can afford
light trout
TL? it's 4 lines... 🙄
proven spruce
still DR
light trout
I DR, it's 5 lines 😛
7 counting headers, 8 with the ingress, so i get that it's hard 😛
orchid rose
clearly too much for me
clever mortar
Compression ratio of one line to one word 🤔
light trout
set x = line:word○4*0.44% = 1 🤷
orchid rose
so looks like I should get the Pi3 B+ then... Waiting for some sale somewhere as these seem to pop up fairly often
hearty depot
Uuuuh - I like this already
http://ix.io/
clear ferry
@low harness it hasn't snowed here for over a month, the 1.5 meter of snow covering my garden is almost gone now, so hoping to start smarting the greenhouse soon 🤔
light trout
Grab an extention cord + hairdryer to attack the last bit of it 😛
clear ferry
@orchid rose I'm never going back to a pi for ha again, the performance difference of running it on a proper machine was overwhelming 😂
@light trout or just attack it with a shovel , it'll thaw faster 😂
orchid rose
In what sense? Is it the UI that's slow or just all the commands unresponsive?
low harness
@hearty depot Is that Rick Astley in the favicon?
clear ferry
@orchid rose restarts, updates, installs, logbook, possibilities to run additional services of you want (although I just deploy a new VM for every different service)
low harness
And the snow won't stay. It's melting before hitting the ground. Just April weather.
clear ferry
I'm used to northern Norway where snow stays until middle of June sometimes 😂
orchid rose
I'm mostly looking for a device that would just run 24/7 and run the automations I have set up without issues. Restarts etc are so rare that I don't know if I'd find that to be an issue
hearty depot
I dont know to be honest - But defenitly looks like ihim
clear ferry
@orchid rose a minipc or a random server wouldn't be any less prone to uptime than the pi though, unless you equip the pi with the ups header, but then again if the power is out, what smart house functions does one need 🤷
orchid rose
no but they do use a bit more electricity, cost a bit more, take a bit more space and so on. I have been thinking about getting a NUC as well, but I think it's a bit overkill for my pretty modest setup
clear ferry
As a house owner none of those factors really matter to me, I use 30-40000kwh per year, so a single machine extra is negligible, I have 252m² so space is not an issue, and the hardware itself can be free,I'm currently running on a 11 year old server from work, that also hosts 50+ other machines 😂
clever mortar
NUC's don't use much more power - modern systems throttle down fast
orchid rose
well tbh going even going to an old laptop or something would save me quite a lot, as I'm currently running hass on an overclocked gaming pc...
clear ferry
I need to fish a new server out soon, it would be nice to have ilo4 in my lab too 🤔 and a rack server perhaps as it will be a lot more quiet than my blade enclosure, which is preferable since I have my music studio in the same room
Haha I love translating messages for my Chinese packages, apparently when a package is sent international it is "international liberation" according to the auto translate 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
flat lintel
What’s your setup look like? A user on Instagram recently posted this beautiful sketch of their setup and tagged us. We just had to share! Join us on Instagram and tag us to see your cool projects on a world stage! https://instagram.com/p/BwAQfpIg-jG/
clear ferry
I need to document my setup too @flat lintel, not sure how to start, definitely not drawing as even my stick men look like they have debilitating disorders 🤷
flat lintel
😺
young sigil
This collection of smart home icons may be of some use to help draw your system: https://www.vcloudinfo.com/2018/07/the-bear-stone-home-assistant-icon.html
flat lintel
cc @trim cliff
tawny pebble
I joined yesterday this Discord group (hello all again), and I'm so happy to see so many interesting messages!
Last month I started testing and documenting myself about HA and even if untill today I haven't setup anything, what pushes me into beginning this project is CCostan after I found his Git repo referenced here:
https://www.home-assistant.io/cookbook/
His HA is just brilliant! I read his Git everyday just to make sure I don't miss a word of what he wrote.
clear ferry
@young sigil Nice!
green inlet
@unreal orbit and @wary jolt , thanks for your response. I did see that post although I am unclear what actually happened or what functionality is lost. I already have a developers account for my nest hello so I am guessing I am fine.
tawny pebble
back to the link above, does anybody know what app is the one that is running on his tablet?
https://camo.githubusercontent.com/768664333d1656af1ea3ce90ef7233db85cb8b13/68747470733a2f2f6c68332e676f6f676c6575736572636f6e74656e742e636f6d2f2d764b47463567647a5f56592f5756705037716a736d6a492f4141414141414144565a342f734779695331506a6f755551787245625756666f743672617863456c7634722d7743484d5943772f73313630302f636c69705f696d6167653030312532353542342532353544
nevermind, it is FloorPlan. I checked that already but i confused the color-scheme.
clear ferry
damnit @young sigil I am just rough drafting now in draw.io, but I am hooked
but it's a mess and ran out of space 😄
I still need to get my greenhouse in somewhere
need to make a bigger drawing
wary jolt
@green inlet, yep you are fine.
leaden adder
Anybody here using MariaDB on a Synlogy NAS? I can't get PHPmyAdmin running
clear ferry
@leaden adder not on Synology, but I've run mariadb and MySQL and phpmyadmin for 15+ years 🤔
leaden adder
@clear ferry Hm, I thought this would be a one-click installation... but I get 404s
Let's ask the Synology Chat 😛
clear ferry
unreal orbit
O_o is that what you had to deal with today?
midnight adder
@wary jolt no kinect this weekend, I don't have the necessary usb adapter yet, just ordered one from ali
the kinect sdk seems easy enough though
clear ferry
@unreal orbit nah, it's r/cablegore 🤩
I remember a customer DC like... 11 years ago, they did cables under the floor plates, well, they never removed old ones, just added, and the DC was at least 15 years old, the plates were bulging when you walked across them..
unreal orbit
/r/notmyjob
quasi spear
Maybe interesting for some: There was a talk on last years CCC Congress (35c3) on the security on smart lightbulbs: https://media.ccc.de/v/35c3-9723-smart_home_-_smart_hack#l=eng
clear ferry
@quasi spear this is why people utilize #551843800209686539 and #551843558676758569 🙇
dark swallow
Anyone have any experience with the Nvidia Jetson Nano? I thought about using it for HA but think it would be better suited for a home theater pc http://bit.ly/2KxxpT6
unreal orbit
I looked into it for HA, doesn't seem worth it to me. At the end of the day it's still an ARM processor
Though if storage is important to you it would be a good side-grade from a pi
dark swallow
True that's why i thought it would be better has media pc that and with the 4k30 out it would be a set up from my 2010 mac mini
south dawn
@dark swallow No, the nvidia boards look cool. but i have not seen one in action. my suspicion is they need a lot of external components to work...
do you have some links to projects with nvidia jetson boards?
dark swallow
No just discovered the board today
Also the one in the picture above is for their commute module. The Dev board has usb 3.1 and 2.0, hdmi, displayport, gigabit ethernet and so on
south dawn
yeah, they look very cool. I have 2 devices that use older processors: Nvidia shild tablet and my gf's nexus tablet. but trieng to get a linux on them seams to be hard
dark swallow
Well I would hope this one would be easier because its meant to be a dev board
and just found a few projects and they all focus on the machine learning aspects of the board
and I thought people got linux on the shield or was that just the streaming box shield and not the tablet
south dawn
just my opinion. These are development boards, you have to be more or less willing to maintaine a distro to have a stable expireience. I would like to help. but i could barly get my raspberry pz booted with 18.04 when it was half official
dark swallow
Ouch I see what you are saying but yeah you're probably right. I still think it would be a great media pc so I might dive in
south dawn
yes i there are a couple. But they are more a oneoff thing. maintaning is a time consuming efford.
the nvidia tools are very nice. I got them running for my tablet, but was to afraid to brick it. this should not be a problem with the dev board thou
dark swallow
True, aren't tablets pretty hard to fully brink now?
I just know back in the day android phones and iphone were super brickable when rooting and jailbreaking but now it's almost impossible too
south dawn
not if i write the wrong firmware to it. It's not the new android way, it's more like flashing in the old days. i speak about the nvidia tools
dark swallow
Oh oh oh I see! Your not flashing straight up replacing I gotcha
south dawn
yes, else i think it would be a android kernel
dark swallow
Yup!
south dawn
I hope the pine64 guys get some of their products out. Simple linux with an appliance aspect
dark swallow
Which now on android you can still change but still so many tools out there prevent you from bricking. but yeah the nvidia tools probably don't because that would limit you
Yeah I've been looking at those too
Linux is making a huge comeback these days
south dawn
dark swallow
Now that is cool!
I probably won't use the phone but the tablet and laptop would be just what I'm looking for
south dawn
i have some hikvison cameras.. No new firmware and i can reset them by powercicle...
i thougth the ROCK64 has a good performance with hassio
dark swallow
Also just looked at those camera and yeah I'll take those too
south dawn
uhh.. i just saw that the pro has a PCIe slot. I can't wrap my head around that. guess i'm old now
dark swallow
the rock64 has a PCIe slot?
south dawn
rockpro64. I don't really understand how drivers would be written.
dark swallow
True and I didn't know the rockpro64 had that either. It's not a bad idea though
south dawn
seams pine64/rock are a bit of a pain to work with. Odriod seams to be better
south dawn
? are thouse remaining or total? xD
twin dagger
haha @midnight adder i love ali and playing with it
@midnight adder but they sometimes go up in smoke like this last order https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YirOmY-f-Cw
untold dust
Hey, can someone recommend me any Smart Bulb (E27) that either doesn't have a cloud/isn't needed for HA (HA can control them locally) or it has Tuya on it?
All the cheap bulbs have weird clouds in Japan etc, something I don't like. Its better to be safe and have everything locally with HA
young sigil
hearty depot
Welp - I just blocked internet access on the yeelight - does this count? 😄
untold dust
Oh, forgot to mention they should be cheap :D
clever mortar
Yeelights are cheap
untold dust
Like 10€ / 10$ or so :D
clever mortar
Also, any Zigbee bulb should be an option
untold dust
They are?
clever mortar
For that, you're gonna get crap
untold dust
I'll look into them, thanks
Yeah, that's why I'm trying to find crap that has Tuya on it xD
Cheap and flashable :D
clever mortar
Well, you're gonna get low quality light sources at that price
untold dust
It's only for a desk lamp, that's okay :D
clever mortar
The difference in light quality between a cheap bulb, and a good bulb, is quite significant
Double your budget and you're going to get "ok"
untold dust
For the big bulbs, for the ceiling, if changed in the future I'll get better ones ^^
clever mortar
You'll also get into the low end tunable bulbs (CCT) which are quite a game changer
untold dust
Oh, okay
I'll look into the Yeelight and Zigbee lights, maybe some € more aren't that bad :D
clever mortar
Obviously AliExpress etc are the cheapest place if you're not in a hurry