the-water-cooler

[fair monolith]

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/home-3/id995994352?mt=8 for when you haven’t moved yet to HA 🙄

[flat lintel]

home is a good app that i steal lots of inspiration from dont @ me

[fair monolith]

steal its automation UI

[flat lintel]

i dont do automations tho

[fair monolith]

that one of the big hurdles for new users tho

[peak cloud]

My Chrome tab bar is crying right now.

[flat lintel]

its good tears

[fair monolith]

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pushover-notifications/id506088175?mt=8 for when you want to send more than 150 notifications a day

[flat lintel]

okay

no that many people hit 150/day

and if you do, you are a notification freak

[peak cloud]

+1 for Pushover, but +72 for Telegram

[flat lintel]

but i like my messages not read by the russian government 😦

signal

[fair monolith]

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/zerotier-one/id1084101492?mt=8

this is a must have

[flat lintel]

related, i'm on the wireguard for iOS beta

wireguard is so great

[fair monolith]

this is soo much better than wireguard

and wireguard's website is down?

[flat lintel]

up from here

[fair monolith]

time to check adguard

nope, down for me

[flat lintel]

https://www.wireguard.com/

?

its up for discord

[fair monolith]

could be one of their cdns or web servers on my side

[storm summit]

WHen is wireguard for windows coming?

[fair monolith]

just use zerotier one

[storm summit]

I haven't heard of zeriotier. I'll have to check that one out.

[fair monolith]

they let you have up to 100 devices for free

its a layer 2 vpn

[storm summit]

can you do layer3 and 2?

so have a network with a zeriotier gateway?

[fair monolith]

think more like encrypted ethernet cables doing peer to peer and yes it can

Basicaly ZeroTier is a smart Ethernet switch for planet Earth. It's a distributed network hypervisor built atop a cryptographically secure global peer to peer network. It provides advanced network virtualization and management capabilities on par with an enterprise SDN switch, but across both local and wide area networks and connecting almost any kind of app or device.

[flat lintel]

okay so for the record

yesterday

exactly 1 device went over 100 notifications

so i think 150 is totally reasonable

[fair monolith]

challenge accepted

[storm summit]

@fair monolith Do you have to install it on every device to get access to other devices? You don't right?

[fair monolith]

@storm summit nope, you do not.

you can use it to extend your lan virtualy

[storm summit]

sounds interesting.

[flat lintel]

correction

(dynamodb reads are slow)

3 devices went over 100

[fair monolith]

https://0wned.it/2017/12/04/building-a-zerotier-bridged-network/

[flat lintel]

111, 122, 150

goddamnit dynamodb

[fair monolith]

they also kickstarted their own switch hub thing

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/zerotier-edge-open-source-enterprise-vpn-sd-wan#/

extend your Home assistant reach all the way to your work cube :p

[flat lintel]

lol

theres also this one

this device sent 144 invalid notifications

every single one of them errored out

[strange vapor]

Using Wireguard on my stuff. Works a charm

[fair monolith]

can wireguard mesh now?

I would look at the website but......

[strange vapor]

So, I'm using Wireguard to do a series of point to point links between remote servers and home, and then have FRRouting on top doing IS-IS to swap the routes around. On top of that, I've got my phone setup so I can use Wireguard to connect to the remote servers.

Doesn't really matter which remote server I connect to from the phone, they have the same routing table 😃

[fair monolith]

yah, thats far more than what I am doing

[strange vapor]

It's a slight bit over-engineered, but did it mainly to see if I could, and it's all managed via Ansible.

[fair monolith]

only slightly

[strange vapor]

Funnily enough it's the iptables on top of it that caused the most head scratching.

[fair monolith]

yah... I dumped iptables for nftables

[strange vapor]

The Wireguard stuff really did just work. Think of it as thrown a nice virtual cable between two points and having it appear as a network interface. It's up to you to make sure forwarding and nat is setup the same as if you had a WAN port on a linux router.

Really need to look at nftables properly.

[fair monolith]

@strange vapor thats the nice thing about zerotier, you don't have to bother with any of that, it just works.

[strange vapor]

Where's the fun in that? 😄

@fair monolith I used OpenVPN previously. In comparison, Wireguard just works.

[clear ferry]

@strange vapor OpenVPN issues ? I've used it for like 12 years and never had any issues with either site-to-site or mobile-clients

[hushed basalt]

Wireguard is beta only

[strange vapor]

@clear ferry No so much any more, but it used to be a pain to run routing protocols like OSPF over it.

[hushed basalt]

They say in big bold disclaimers not for production

[strange vapor]

@hushed basalt So, they're honest compared to some commercial vendors I've used 😉

[clear ferry]

Never run OSPF though, no need for that with my three sites, and a few devices :p

[strange vapor]

@clear ferry In previous job I got thrown in at the deep end and had to learn quickly how to run a very large network when I'm primarily systems.. As mentioned last night, some of my own internal stuff is over engineered because I used it as a playground to learn.

[clear ferry]

hah, yeah I know the feeling, I'm the only guy who works with networking in the whole country for my company, I'm most comfortable at L2, but suddenly a wild routing request comes out of the blue, and you just have to figure it out... and one could say my garage is kinda overengineered too, bladeservers, unix-servers, racks, a whole network lab, 8 vlans in operation and about 40vms running constantly...

[strange vapor]

I'm no where near that. Two HP micro servers, a load of Pi and a Linux based gateway. I do have some colo in the DC of my previous job which is extremely handy as it's on a network with an extremely high SLA. Also have silly amount of AWS credit. Mikrotek for switching and Unifi for Wifi, with just a few vlans.

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I basically need to host my own lab because we lost the 13 lab racks at work when we moved offices

And when I'm the only one who works with 10+ products.. I need a lab with quite diverse infrastructure

[strange vapor]

I used to have a whole load of gear at home, but gradually got rid of some of the older stuff.

Still have a Cobalt Raq4 sitting in the corner just because I can 😄

[fair monolith]

Ospf? Lol soo much overkill

[strange vapor]

@fair monolith It's actually quite nice! With the way I've got things setup I can bring up a VPC in AWS for some testing, bring up an instance which does Wireguard to physical servers, put OSPF over that, and then I'm sitting down comfortable at home with all traffic to the VPC going over an internal network.

Overkill? Yes! But really nice to watch happening, and a good way of beating down pure network admins when they say this stuff is too hard!

[fair monolith]

Then I wonder how the hell they got their network admin job. CCNA Cisco network associate level has to know how to configure several dynamic routing protocols

And how they work

[strange vapor]

Configuring it NOT the problem. A lot of the old school admins LOVE configuring this stuff. The problem is they don't scale, and they're often scared of full automation.

ie, FUD!!

[fair monolith]

Ospf scales to a point with areas

[strange vapor]

OSPF within a DC, BGP between is the usual here. Have had issues with OSPF over WAN links.

[fair monolith]

Really? With a tunnel it should just work

Tell them to configure OSPF over frame relay and watch them cry

Easy to to do

[strange vapor]

The fun we had with some providers... No full path signalling.

[fair monolith]

That’s when a tunnel comes in handy

[strange vapor]

Have had fun where the traffic was only going one way due to a fibre cut, but the interfaces were still up, and it cause all sorts of fun and games.

For my personal stuff with Wireguard, the link is either up or not, so I don't care too much.

@fair monolith There's a DC close by which thankfully was bought out few years ago by Interxion. The head network admin there considered Ethernet an evolutionary dead end as you couldn't guarantee bandwidth, so it was all ATM with extra cost if you wanted a connection as ethernet or fibre. Luckily we were only in there for CoLo space and didn't give a crap about their network, we simply peered with two transit providers and an IX in the same Colo.

[fair monolith]

wtf, where do they find these people...

[strange vapor]

He was one of the founders of that DC.

No other network admin lasted there long 😃

[fair monolith]

no kidding, he was insane

[strange vapor]

Interxion bought them out, and within a year there it was all torn out.

[fair monolith]

lol

[hearty depot]

@fair monolith Thanks for the Zero tier link - Intresting as F!

[hearty depot]

Somebody know what I meight can do with an "oldish" apple TV?

[clear ferry]

@hearty depot what generation?

[hearty depot]

model A1469 lets google that

3. Generation

I gues fun starts with the 4th gen

[clear ferry]

I used to run a 3rd generation with plexconnect so I could stream from my Plex before an app existed for Apple TV other than that the options aren't much afaik

[fair monolith]

❤ my 4th gen

[hearty depot]

Was Fully invested into apple - untill they screwed me with this defect macbook 😅

still have a lot of hardware laying around - The Time machine is still in use - but I´m dayli fearthat it ll brake

[fair monolith]

how so?

[hearty depot]

Its just a NAS wich is running 24/7 for the last 3 years. and before that 4 yeard sporadicly

or the macbook?

[fair monolith]

the macbook lol

[hearty depot]

you know bout the 2012 macs with the broken graphics chip?

[fair monolith]

that was 2011?

[strange vapor]

@hearty depot I had a mini-itx based server for years which just worked. Via M10000

Power went, and it refused to boot up.

Turned out that a battery soldered into the board was dead, and without it, the BIOS went into a hissy fit 😦

[clear ferry]

@strange vapor lol via, i haven't heard that name in 15 years

Are you going to pull Cyrix out into the light again too? 🤣

[strange vapor]

That little Via M10000 was the server that could! For all intents and purposes a super charged 486 with a few pentium instructions

It worked away in the corner for years!

[hearty depot]

Sorry - wife just came home - had to say hello
Had (have) one of those - Got a complete failing display.therefore I got it to a service center- they runned some test overnight and said - We see that the image is not how it supposed to be - but the test where inconclusive" pay "insert stupidly high amount of money here" then were putting in a new mainboard. after 1 year an 10 monts or so.

so I got in my opinion screwed with the warrenty - Same game with the recall action - Test came back ok - no new graphics chip for me

@fair monolith

wasted around 20 hours+ in the service centers - Then my mind was set - for this asshole move - never an apple product again for me - But I realy liked the UI, cydia and all that

[fair monolith]

you should have demanded a manager and keep going up the chain

you would have gotten it fixed for free

[hearty depot]

I was prettey anoying and demanding - but wasnt an apple store - didnt had one of those back then

wich meight been the problem

[fair monolith]

indeed it is

thats when you email apple directly

[hearty depot]

Welp - they sent me to theese resellers or service providers however they ll be called

[fair monolith]

you have to be demanding after that

negation 101 with apple, you are a client most likely to spend THOUSANDS in their system

[clear ferry]

Thank Dog for the Norwegian laws around electronics, we usually have five year of possibility to complain about problems, and get a new product that is the same or better

[fair monolith]

higher up the chain will almost always take care of you.

[midnight adder]

Hey guys, I have a general question regarding home automation. We are currently planning our new house and have been discussing whether KNX is an option. I wanted to ask for your opinion. What would you build your home automation system on in a new house?

[slim ore]

Yay .. stupid ISP is having issues ... can't even download from docker 😦

[clear ferry]

@slim ore it could be worse, atleast you are online on discord😜

[slim ore]

lol takes ages to load

get all kinds of tls handshake issues

on multiple sites

but if it's up ... it's ok

[clear ferry]

I remember having some ISP issues in 2009 🤔

[slim ore]

lol

well most of the time it's ok

but when they have issues... its big 😄

first i thought it was my home network

so rebooted a lot here

[clear ferry]

This is my new favourite subreddit 🤣 https://www.reddit.com/r/reverseanimalrescue

[junior forge]

@clear ferry Ok that one is epic

[clear ferry]

@junior forge I'm pissing myself as I watched the one with the camel

[hushed basalt]

Is it just me or do AWS always make things more complex than they need to be

Like whenever I look at doing something with am AWS variant it involves 30 steps that aren't documented that well and seems like a lot of boiler plate

And an alternative, say an opensource framework or a self hosted app etc, seems to be like 3 steps to get to the same point and as sensible default or init configs.

[fair monolith]

thats all cloud services now

[tough igloo]

I work in and around government departments and moving to the cloud imo has not made things easier or cost effective in the long term

[nocturne snow]

Hey there everyone, I'm not sure exactly which channel I should post this in but I had some questions in regards to nginx. I am running a separate virtual machine running nginx in a isolated VLAN that is accessible from the internet AKA DMZ, my question is more about nginx and how you can use it to reverse proxy not only to homeassistant but two for example the configurator. So like everything comes in on 443 I reverse proxy to 8123 but then I need to somehow free reverse proxy to the configurator the log viewer etc. Thank you a

[fair monolith]

@nocturne snow give me a few mins and I can give you some examples on how to do it if my server comes back up

[nocturne snow]

Cool thanks @fair monolith

[fair monolith]

and I think its finally reviving

@nocturne snow so basicaly I use sub domains like 'https://adguard.mydomain.com

https://hastebin.com/uqiwanoniq.nginx

example nginx config for a reverse proxy

I use hassio with lets encrypt and nginx addons

[hearty depot]

Lol ever tried sudo apt install sl ?

[fair monolith]

sl?

[hearty depot]

More a Easter egg

Whenever you spell LS wrong

A train ( steam locomotive) comes by

[fair monolith]

posed this in the wrong chat

Thank you for being a PayPal Credit customer. We recently identified a technical error that impacted the calculation of your Minimum Payment Due. We have corrected this issue and credited back finance charges totaling $0.99 that you incurred as a result of this error
um thank you paypal?

[nocturne snow]

@fair monolith I don't see you proxying to 8123

[fair monolith]

becasue I have a file for each of my services and nginx hassio adon auto does HA for me'

[flat lintel]

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/28/18245315/amazon-dash-buttons-discontinued

cc @midnight adder

[gloomy canyon]

guys, I need some advice... A good friend of mine wants to start with homeautomation and I'll prepare a complete setup (some esp32 sensors, some sonoffs) as a birthday present. What would you buy if you want something a bit more powerful than a rpi3 but not that expensive as an intel nuc?

[proven spruce]

orange pi pc plus

[clever mortar]

Tinkerboard?

[proven spruce]

rock64

[gloomy canyon]

even 5th and 6th gen nucs are listed for >250€ on ebay, this is a bit too much

thanks, I'll google those boards

hm those are all arm boards, any x86 alternatives?

If he wants to get more into docker etc i think that would be better

[proven spruce]

beelink z83 or z85

[gloomy canyon]

sounds interesting, thanks

a 2ghz atom will work for hass and some docker containers

hm and the most beginner friendly setup would be hass.io right? so I just install a linux distro, build docker and pull home-assistant, right?

[hearty depot]

A protocol Question;

for public available data, like bus subway and co directly to create an MQTT instance to push/pull the data?

uh yea - @clever mortar - maybe something for you?

[clever mortar]

Sadly, it no longer works

rm -rf / has been blocked

[hearty depot]

'sadly'

Better suted here

I think I cant use any other thing like ubuntu

@gleaming rampart Can I configure a grub in cent OS?

My graphics chip is broken

dont want to spend 300€ for soldering on a 10 year old laptop

[gleaming rampart]

what do you mean? Of course you can configure grub

But, I don't use any GUI, I am a console guy 😄

[hearty depot]

same - I have to disable the Graphics cip support in a prittey early stage - otherwise the deam thing wont boot

https://orville.thebennettproject.com/articles/installing-ubuntu-14-04-lts-on-a-2011-macbook-pro/
what I used

Working well - but I dont look forward to re set this up in case of problems

[gleaming rampart]

ehhehe

I do have a "all-in-one" motheboard with an atom cpu, I am thinking of switch from raspberry to that in the near future to have a little more performance (and more ram)

so that I will probably use the Raspberry as maybe pi-hole (or I might put everything togheter, not sure yet)

[hearty depot]

I always use a big ass host file instead of pihole try to have my internet acsess as private as possible so I`m worried bout DNS leaks (even I dont do shit here lol )

[gleaming rampart]

Not sure how much the pi-hole send out of your usage data, my unerstanding (and hope) i that it's none, so it would be fairly private

[hearty depot]

ISP

[gleaming rampart]

ah, well for that I had alternatives

one is the 1.1.1.1 by cloudlare, they clame to be private

second, is that I have nameservers in the datacentre where I keep my hosting serverrs

So I use them as recursive dns for myself

[hearty depot]

looked also over this - using it on my phone for now

[gleaming rampart]

I was actually thinking to have a server in the datacentre for pi-hole so that I connect to that, and that goes to my nameservers XD

me too

[hearty depot]

But you have to setup the dns over https somehow

but didnt looked into it too much

[gleaming rampart]

https? oO

[hearty depot]

thats the wohe idea behind 1.1.1.1 xD

[gleaming rampart]

ah ight

[hearty depot]

https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.1/dns-over-https/

[gleaming rampart]

right

[hearty depot]

ll format soon my main PC and try Linux as my main/only OS

[gleaming rampart]

I tried it like 10 years ago and no, it wasn't for me

More than happy to use it for every type of server

But I also play with the computer..

[hearty depot]

same - but I ll give it another shot

[gleaming rampart]

Now yes Steam has brought many games to be linux compatible.. but still far from my gaming needs 😄

[hearty depot]

I only use Atom/Chrome(fuck)/ Warframe

and putty

so I should be fine

[gleaming rampart]

Checking out Atom, looks interesting 😃

[hearty depot]

I love it very much for PlatformIO - Makes compiling tasmota prittey easy

[gleaming rampart]

oh well I use the pre-compiled binary with FlashEZ to be honest 😄

[hearty depot]

so anoying to srt up the rest - I kike it when I just can hit flash and the thing getting his network, right topic, ip name

&&&

[gleaming rampart]

eheh

well I have a single-line to put into termite and configure everything post-flash

doesn't take long but I get your point

[strange vapor]

@clever mortar You just have to be creative! At one point on IRC some one asked to to remove a package in Linux. Being an arsehole, I responded with something like: echo $package; sudo find / -exec echo -n > {} \;. 5 mins later he dropped off IRC.

[clever mortar]

There's also a perl one liner that does the same 😃

[strange vapor]

He learned a good life lesson about trusting random commands from IRC

He eventually talked to me again a year later 😄

[gleaming rampart]

cause he needed something? XD

@hearty depot I am trying to undertand how to connect Atom to a git repo xD

[hearty depot]

I used with my old pi - set it up with a youtube vid - wait a seccond

atm I just samba

nay.. Didnt even got it a like 😦

I think that ll probably work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HsZMl-qV5k

[gleaming rampart]

that's the problem, I don't use github but my own git rpeo 😄

ah fair enough

I just point it to mine

😄

[hushed basalt]

That looks like a conveniently placed rack

[hearty depot]

well.. at least I cant get there and screw things up without getting a lot of attention

[strange vapor]

Nice and close to the ducting as well.

[mighty summit]

i made a booboo... purchased a tradfri gateway & a remote. Turns out i can't use them with HA...

What's the best option for a zigbee gateway that doesn't use a usb port ?

[clear ferry]

@mighty summit wait what.. why can't you use them?

[mighty summit]

the remote doesn't send codes through the gateway

so HA can't know that anything was pressed on the remote

@clear ferry

[clear ferry]

@mighty summit i just checked,I can see whenever I press buttons on my remote in ha

Connected through IKEA gateways

[mighty summit]

errr

describe the setup plz ?

[clear ferry]

The state changes atleast I pressed up and it said 47, I pressed down and it said 34

[mighty summit]

this remote, ?
https://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/20303317/

[clear ferry]

Ikea round button thing with 5 buttons, connected to the IKEA gateway, which is integrated in ha

Yes

[mighty summit]

and this gateway ?

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/00337813/

[clear ferry]

There is only one, so yes 🤣

[mighty summit]

just making sure

and where are you seeing the button presses in HA ?

[clear ferry]

Do you see your remote in ha at all ?

I checked in while pressing the buttons

[mighty summit]

i saw the batt status in

[hazy hatch]

I’m stuck here for 1 hour

[mighty summit]

but nothing related to button presses

[hazy hatch]

What should I do

[clear ferry]

@hazy hatch #330990055533576204

[mighty summit]

i had packed everything up again... back to opening the ikea tradfri boxes...

[hazy hatch]

I can’t send attachment in #330990055533576204

[mighty summit]

@hazy hatch then describe the issue, in #330990055533576204

[clear ferry]

@mighty summit the state changes when I press the buttons atleast

[hazy hatch]

Oka

Okay

[mighty summit]

@clear ferry well, if the state changes, then we can act upon it with automations.

that's all i need/want/hope for

[clear ferry]

I saw 47, 34, 21 while pressing the buttons

So 13 difference

[mighty summit]

lemme get this stuff setup again

@clear ferry did you use disco for the config , or manual ?

[clear ferry]

@mighty summit just integration in ha configuration

[mighty summit]

with the impossibly long security code

geez

ugh...gotta reinstall the android app as well, to pair the remote to GW

@clear ferry no states that change on button press...

@clear ferry you are watching the states of sensor.tradfri_remote_control , right ?

[clear ferry]

@mighty summit yup

[mighty summit]

nothing here

🤷

[clear ferry]

Is the state the battery level? Then my battery changes when ever i press the button

[mighty summit]

yes the state is the batt level.

🤦

but how is that even possible

what is the state for your remote, when at rest ?

i take it you're not actually using the remote with your HA setup ?

[clear ferry]

https://streamable.com/6o2a8

This is when I press buttons on the remote

Not using it for anything no, but it comes in with the integration

So pressing a button make the battery lower then I guess? 🤔 🤔 🤔

[mighty summit]

well, looking at your vid, the batt goes up when you press

[clear ferry]

But your did nothing?

[mighty summit]

nothing at all

also the forum has several posts that say it ain't possible to use the remote with HA

[clear ferry]

Mine does something

[mighty summit]

if only we knew how you did that

you have no other zigbee gateways / usb sticks ?

[clear ferry]

I dont use steering devices except this one on IKEA, but I have a ton of switches on my Xiaomi gateway

[naive slate]

Hi all, I plan on using a dedicated home assistant instant to control a hydroponic greenhouse. Does anyone have experience with that?

[clear ferry]

@naive slate I'm building an automated regular greenhouse as we speak

[naive slate]

awesome, using home assistant as the control?

[clear ferry]

@naive slate yes, esp moisture sensors in the pots, solenoid valves and a pump controlled by a WiFi relay board and some Xiaomi temperature sensors plus a 12v fan

[naive slate]

interesting

Which moisture sensors do you use?

also can you point me to the wifi relay board as well?

[clear ferry]

NOK 86.68 20%OFF | ESP32 DHT11 CP2104 WIFI Bluetooth Temperature Humidity Soil Moisture Sensor Detection Module 18650 Battery Shield for Arduino
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/bMounXrK modding this to be connected to a 3.7v line instead of battery, then integrate with mqtt

NOK 316.09 | LPSECURITY 16 Channel LAN WAN WiFi Relay board controller /WiFi Relay Module/wireless remote control smart home relay switch
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/f5jtmmU

This one has a native component in ha https://www.home-assistant.io/components/hlk_sw16/

[naive slate]

@clear ferry perfect, thank you

[hearty depot]

Idea wich flavur of linux I could check out for my main PC? (besides ubuntu)
Would love to use elementaryOS - but thats for chromebook only 💭

[naive slate]

Why not run HassOS on a raspberry pi?

I think its the easiest way to get up and running: https://www.home-assistant.io/hassio/

[clever mortar]

If you want something lots of people know, Debian or Debian based is always a good choice

If you're interested in learning all about Linux, try Gentoo

[hearty depot]

Gentoo I go 😃

Ah - Learning bout linux because of missing apt - as i understand now is part of debian

[clever mortar]

And it encourages you to build stuff from source

Like the kernel

You'll likely not want to stay with it long term, but for learning, it's hard to beat

[clear ferry]

@clever mortar mmmmmm slackware and dependencies... Those were the days 🤕

[clever mortar]

I've built more than a few systems from source. I don't plan on doing that again if I can help it 😄

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I ran slack from 97 to 01, then Gentoo from 02 to 04 and Debian since

[strange vapor]

If using Gentoo, don't forget to unroll all the loops 😉

[hearty depot]

shall I google that or do I just getting screwd

[strange vapor]

https://web.archive.org/web/20080801064052/http://funroll-loops.info/

Nice blast from the past 😄

[hearty depot]

Lol - "only " 10 years ago time flies

[clever mortar]

CDs are nearly 40 years old...

I remember the fuss over them when they came out.

[clear ferry]

Thank goodness I'm not the old grumpy guy for once 👴

[clever mortar]

Pffft, you've not lived until you've installed operating systems from tape - dozens of tapes...

[clear ferry]

@clever mortar I have, once! Was hpux 10.20

Atleast I think it was, might have been 9 something

[clever mortar]

I don't recall how many tapes I used that weekend, just "too many"

[clear ferry]

Still remember win98 on floppy, think it was 128 of them

Office was like 40

Might have been 95 though, memory is vague

[clever mortar]

Oh yeah, NT 3.5 on floppy too...

[strange vapor]

Still have DOS 6 and Windows 3.11 For Workgroups floppies around somewhere. Doubt they're even readable now even if I had something to read them with.

Saying that, have a C64 where both 5 1/4 and cassettes still work.

[slim ore]

and nowadays we can emulate all that old stuff 😄

[clear ferry]

@slim ore kids these days start crying and shut it off if there is no next button or an install Wizard👶

[slim ore]

@clear ferry Lol, one of my kids loves to play the oldskool games 😄

[pure vine]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47416440

[last plaza]

hopefully they put the existing ones on sale or give it for free to the prime members

someone already beat you to it https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/397426163649216512/550959573578678274 @pure vine

😃

[unreal orbit]

Having no immediate feedback after pressing the button makes it kinda pointless imo. You'd have to go on amazon to make sure the order was placed, at which point you might as well have just ordered it through the website

Neat idea, bad execution

[shy comet]

if your looking for a HA connected vacuum Target has the neato D3 on sale in the US: https://slickdeals.net/f/12884335-neato-botvac-d3-connected-robotic-vacuum-180-free-s-h?src=frontpage

[gusty umbra]

anyone by chance have experience with UniFi and VLANS? Currently created my first to seperate my Xiaomi stuff from the rest of my network, and I could use a little help 😃

[mighty summit]

@clear ferry can you be certain the tradfri remote events aren't coming from the Aqara gateway ?

[clear ferry]

@mighty summit well, since it isn't paired it would be pretty hard I guess 🤔

[mighty summit]

hummm, extremely puzzling @clear ferry

[mighty summit]

@clear ferry what tradfri devices are you controlling ? Perhaps the status you're seeing is the status of a device but not of the controller ?

[clear ferry]

@mighty summit that remote is in the same "room" as 3 E14 dimmable, 3 E14 temperature, 1 led driver, 1 e27 colour bulb

[mighty summit]

stuefjernis is the remote ? @clear ferry

[clear ferry]

Aye

[mighty summit]

but dammm i want my stuefjernis to be like yours

:p

[clear ferry]

Well I don't know if it is dysfunctional

[mighty summit]

and i don't care if that sounds inappropriate

[clear ferry]

Since it is the battery level that is changing 🕵

[mighty summit]

have you ever changed the batt ? did it work this way prior ?

Also, does it act this wonderful way when there are no tradfri devices to be controlled ??

[clear ferry]

I haven't changed it no, I have always seen it change when pressed 🤷 but I don't use it for anything

[mighty summit]

since you're not using it, can you send it to me 😜

[hushed basalt]

When are your northerners going to get around to fixing your sun

It's on the wrong bloody side

[gaunt trench]

hey all why is it that we get empty bump updates on beta channel?

0.89.0b1

for example?

[winged bear]

Hello everyone, it’s my first time posting! I’ve only been in the smart apartment game for a year, and honestly the iOS Home app, Alexa, Google Home, IFTTT, and Stringify have done me well. The main reason I want to dive into this platform is because it’s currently a little out of my league and I love a challenge.

[green inlet]

@gusty umbra , I have vlans on an edgerouter. By no means an expert but if I can help I will

Dive in @winged bear , the water is warm

[storm summit]

I've used vlans on almost everything ....but not unifi routers.

[eager trench]

@gaunt trench what is an 'empty bump update'??

[gaunt trench]

hol on one sec

no commits

[eager trench]

oh yeah.... I dunno but it's always done then and no one seems to care. It seems to not see that b1 is later than b0

[gaunt trench]

well, except for 'bumping' the version

lol i guess it's to keep everyone on their toes

[eager trench]

it doesn't do it for releases, only beta

[gaunt trench]

I cant help but press that button though

yes only betas

[eager trench]

which is probably why no one cares

[gaunt trench]

I'm not mad about it or anything, just super curious as to why

[eager trench]

oh.... sorry.... you are on b0 and b1 is available.... well isn't that correct?

[gaunt trench]

yes it is available, i was going to press it just before going to bed

[green inlet]

@storm summit , I think unifi is Ubiquiti access points.

[eager trench]

what happens a lot is when I update to say b1 as soon as it's on dockerhub, I get told by HA that I am on b1 but b0 is available cos it still sees b0 as the latest

yeah... well b1 isn't an empty bump update - it fixes a bunch of shit in b0

[gaunt trench]

ah so there are changes

are these the changes that are implemented in b1? https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant/compare/0.89.0b0...rc

[eager trench]

yes the RC is b1 today

there are always changes. Balloob does not cut a new beta just to bump the version lol

[gaunt trench]

haha ahh ok that makes sense. sorry for being stupid lol

thanks david

[eager trench]

lol no problem

[hushed basalt]

New spoiler tags hmm

The cake is a || lie ||

[storm summit]

@green inlet yea. i mix up the word unifi and ubiquiti all the time

unifi is eaiser to type

😃

[hushed basalt]

Do you guys find nvidia gpu support on Linux to be hit and miss

[gaunt trench]

i guess they never miss huh?

[fair monolith]

nay, My SSD is failing on my server hosing home assistent

[storm summit]

I still have never seen an SSD fail.

[fair monolith]

@storm summit well the odd thing is that its coming up fine in smart etc but shortly after a boot, the server runs super duper slow. an Htop report shows that cpu use is very low along with ram use

[storm summit]

CPU over heating?

that does seem strange

[fair monolith]

yah, I nuked the history database, perhaps it was hanging up on that... to be seen

[clear ferry]

@storm summit I see ssds fail weekly, but it's 24/7 80% load enterprise systems mostly

@hushed basalt mmmmmm Nvidia GPGPU is where the fun is at

[hushed basalt]

Gpgpu?

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt number crunching, no graphics

[hushed basalt]

Too many terms to learn :D

[clear ferry]

Put 64 of those in a server and you have a good time

[hushed basalt]

What about a rack made of GPUs

Like literally build the frame out of cards :D

[clear ferry]

Lol

[hushed basalt]

I love companies that take a non standard approach to rack hardware

[clear ferry]

I've installed a system with 740 nodes, each with 2x gpgpus , that's pretty close

[hushed basalt]

I wish I could buy second hand servers in Australia though

[clear ferry]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Tesla reading for you though

[hushed basalt]

People want like $1200 for R710s :/

[clear ferry]

Dell boooo 👎

[hushed basalt]

Well I think HP is even worse

I don't see much sun micro gear pop up either

[clear ferry]

I think you are worse too 😿

[hushed basalt]

As in pricing and availability

In second hand market

Not quality of product

[clear ferry]

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F382589770115

Buy this, one of my favourite servers ever

[hushed basalt]

30 amps aye

I have a Synology NAS atm :(

I actually don't mind it EXCEPT I can't get access to port 80 and 443

[clear ferry]

Overrated ports!

[hushed basalt]

But it uses almost no power

But I want a reverse proxy

Want to setup a jenkins server for building. Oh wait I need a public facing webhook for github notifications

Oh I want to do anything. Sorry you need to use Synologys RP

Which I'm sure is totally secure 🙄

When I buy a laptop I'll move my desktop box into the rack

It's not rack mount but oh well 😢

It's got room for 13 3.5" hdds

[fair monolith]

so far so good, I think the database got soo big that it was taking forever to read or write to it for some reason

disabled the logging of like 100 dark sky sensors

[hushed basalt]

Dark sky free tier is heaps for home use right?

I should set it up

[clear ferry]

Aye

@hushed basalt old picture, like 9 years old, I've replaced most of it with blades and a few Nas boxed and new switches since,but I apprently don't have a newer photo atm https://imma.gr/16220 😸

[hushed basalt]

I shall never know the homelab dreams

[eager trench]

@fair monolith no way to disable logging in bulk for them is there? I think it’s dark sky choking my database as well

[fair monolith]

nope, sec let me hasebin it for you

[eager trench]

But adding exceptions for logging for so many items is tedious lol

Ok cool

[fair monolith]

@eager trench https://hastebin.com/gaqazuqise.css

not any more

copy and paste 😛

[clear ferry]

Somewhat newer @hushed basalt

[fair monolith]

I did the 131 lines for you lol

[eager trench]

Thanks! Do you exclude from history as well?

[fair monolith]

they will not be in history if they are not recorded

history reads from the database

[eager trench]

Cool.... restarting....

[fair monolith]

@eager trench if things are really slow, you want to delete the database file and restart

[eager trench]

It just times out when I tap history.... I’m loathe to delete the database though.... could purge all but last day.... pretty sure this is why... dark sky.... been meaning to do this and you just made it easy for me so thanks for that

I’m using mariadb

[fair monolith]

@eager trench it is set to only keep the last 10 days of data

ah

im using the built in

[eager trench]

I keep 7

[fair monolith]

you do now 😛

[eager trench]

I switched to mariadb in hopes it would fix this problem

[fair monolith]

ah naa, I think it was just data overload from dark sky

when it was running fine for months till I added dark sky sensor

[eager trench]

Yep.... I only copied your entities...

my setup was always 7 days and delete everyday

[fair monolith]

another interesting thought is to move HA over to ovh and use zero tier one with a bridge

aka discovery will still work but then I loose the local bonuses

[eager trench]

{ “keep_days” : ”1” }

[fair monolith]

zero tier lets me do a lot of fun things

[eager trench]

Why is that invalid JSON?

Oh shit it might be the ios

The quotes

[fair monolith]

do { “keep_days”: 1 }

[eager trench]

Tried that too

[fair monolith]

you had a space

oh json?

[eager trench]

Tried without as well

It’s iOS it fucks up the quote symbole

[fair monolith]

https://jsonlint.com

    "keep_days": 1
}```

there we go

that website is god when it comes to modifying unifi configs

[eager trench]

i just used a google soft keyboard and it was ok but i tap call service and it’s not responding

that is accpted as well.... not sure it’s done anything though. might need to wait see on my pc

It’s basically telling me to talk to the hand lol

[hushed basalt]

@clear ferry i can't really justify a homelab

Most of the stuff I'm learning is all web/managed service based

Wife acceptance factor would be low

Even the half height rack was a stretch to get :D

[clear ferry]

🤕 🤕 🤕

[fair monolith]

@hushed basalt ikea

mount your rack under

[hushed basalt]

I got a half height rack for free

[fair monolith]

nice

[hushed basalt]

Including power boards and some trays

[hearty depot]

meight be the MIT PGP Key Server down?
trying to install ZeroTier

[gusty umbra]

Anyone managed to get a Xiaomi Gateway working in Home Assistant with the gateway isolated on a seperate VLAN from your main network?

[midnight adder]

Humans!

Who want to help me start a tech news site?

I build a thing in nodejs the converts markdown articles to a static website.

[peak breach]

Isn''t there already like a dozen of those?

[midnight adder]

Now I just need a human to turn caffene into markdown articles

Yes, there are.

[peak breach]

So now there's a bakers dozen? Fair enough. 😀

[midnight adder]

Do you want to help?

[peak breach]

Me? Write articles? That will be read by people? I don't like people. So ghod no…

[midnight adder]

Me neither, but I like money

Anyone else want to help?

[clear ferry]

@peak breach we have something in common 🤑 😘

[peak breach]

Good, coz after all that server porn you were showing earlier, I'm thinking of moving in with you. Do you have a partner I need to bump off first?

[midnight adder]

You both use emojis?

[peak breach]

never uses emojis… 😂

[midnight adder]

Anyway, back to discussions that benefit me. Who wants to help me with a tech news site?

[peak breach]

No one with any sense. 😛

[midnight adder]

Anyone with no sense here?

[clear ferry]

@peak breach wife and baby has to go, more room for server porn

[hearty depot]

@gusty umbra youre also happy with it that thing cant phone home? you can make a ruleset in your router wich first allows all connections and then create a drop rule for the mac adresses in this roulset

my setup

Was first used for my dash buttons - but now for all devices wich I dont like to connect

[green inlet]

@hearty depot , I have been working on a drop rule to stop Mac addresses from connecting to an interface. Can’t get it to work. Any ideas!

[hearty depot]

The screenshot describes the way i set it up
When I understood it right you have to see the roules from top to bottom
first enable the acsess
then afterwards you configure what you dont like

[green inlet]

That is what I did. I can see the ruleset increment as if it is working but then the WiFi’s connection is made.

[clear ferry]

What kind of shitty interface is that a screenshot of? 😂

[green inlet]

Man @clear ferry , I just jumped into Ubiquiti and so far I love it

[hearty depot]

Edgerouter Ubiquiti

[clear ferry]

Looks horrible

[hearty depot]

quite handsome (the interface)

but VPN connections are terrible

uh - you block only the lan accsess then - you want to go for your real internet interface

[clear ferry]

Looked like a poor Cisco java interface for old ucs

[hearty depot]

what youre loving?

[green inlet]

Auh....ok, I will try that

But then it will block that device on the actual vlan I want it to have access also

[hearty depot]

with the rule setup this way I still have acsess in my lan - But outside connections are blocked

[green inlet]

Are you using vlans?

[hearty depot]

nope - didnt botherd to look into it - quite happy with the firewall rules

[green inlet]

Yea, I think that adds another level. Trying to block dns/dhcp on one vlan via MAC address but still allow the same device internet access on another vlan

[hearty depot]

I think my rule there would also block accsess in another vlan 🤔 The interface is pppoe after all

[green inlet]

Yes, if you block intern access at eth0, it should totally block the device no matter what.

[hearty depot]

when I read it right youre using the ISP router with DMZ?

[clear ferry]

@hearty depot smoothwall for 3 years pfsense for 13 years, untangle the last two years,but thinking about going back to pfsense

[green inlet]

No dmz

[hearty depot]

thourght on buying a pfsens box - but the $$$
never heard bout smoothwall

[green inlet]

By the way, you know you can create address groups, list all the IPs you want to block and create one rule

[hearty depot]

let me click trou the interface - myaybe I remeber 🤣

[clear ferry]

På @hearty depot it's free to run, don't need a dedicated propitary box

[hearty depot]

I like such things 😃 Had first OpenWRT and all the stuff but the router was shit (30€)

you can create address groups in the adress tab like 10.0.0.2 - 10.0.0.19

oooh

https://wiki.ipfire.org/configuration/firewall/blockshodan

sad that it is so old

but maybe an good rule

https://github.com/stamparm/ipsum
now.. How to use them on UBNT?

[rain swift]

OpenBSD is the only firewall.

#BSDMasterRace

[hushed basalt]

Yeah ubiquiti router interfaces are pretty god awful

Especially if what you want to do is not in the small usecases they wrote the gui for

Then you have to do CLI commands to do it, if you can find the right forum post on how

And never touch the front-end again incase it breaks what you did in the back

Is an SG-1100 pretty much the go to hardware now for pfssnse home use on an 100Mbit connection?

[fair monolith]

@hushed basalt really? I found the UniFi ui fine for my needs.

then again im using it as a router and not a firewall appliance

[hushed basalt]

You would probably be under the standard use case

I was trying to run dual wan

[fair monolith]

ahh

[hushed basalt]

And it was not fun

[fair monolith]

yah, I think they just recently fixed the dual wan fallover

Im having a massive issue where multicasts are not getting through with their mesh network technology

rip all homekit devices

[young sigil]

@hushed basalt yep I've just been messing with scripts on the Edgerouter-x because dual wan faliback doesn't close sessions initiated on the secondary link while the primary is down.

[fair monolith]

Homekit uses HAP which uses Bonjour which uses multicasts which = RIP on a mesh unifi line

[mighty summit]

when the ip address in the water reservoir of the toilet can't be right.

i was a bit like...hmm...wtf.

[peak breach]

poop-cam… so you can make sure everything's coming out all right.

[clear ferry]

@peak breach the Germans are quite chronic with that I've heard rumors about, which is why their toilet bowls are reverse, for self study 🤔

[peak breach]

Germans scare me. Espeecially my great grandmother… I seriously thought she was a witch, when I was little.

[orchid rose]

I'm trying to set up my Netgear router to run Entware stuff but there's this weird thing that every time I reboot the thing, it just formats the USB stick that has the stuff on it. I'm trying to follow this guide https://sites.google.com/view/netgearr7800/home, but clearly doing something wrong as I'm having issues with it

what could be causing it to format the stick?

I can get the plugins to run but they get deleted with reboot 😛

[pure vine]

The UK smart home industry :P only terrible RF based stateless switches by light wave. In the contents of this screfix catalog its labeled smart home, but its basically a entire page for lightwave RF

[clever mortar]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for https://getden.co.uk/

If they release a local API, that stuff may turn out to be awesome

[pure vine]

@clever mortar they do look nice

[clever mortar]

Yeah, I like the dimmers too - human friendly

And... smart UK sockets 😮

[pure vine]

It looks like they are local only

[clever mortar]

https://densupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000263691-Will-Den-products-be-compatible-with-other-smart-services-

Doesn't look like an open local API currently, but 🤞

[hushed basalt]

Not sure I'd like the idea of a self actuating switch

I'd rather just have normal bell switches

[hushed basalt]

Are you allowed to do electrical work in the UK

[clever mortar]

For replacing a socket/switch/etc, yes. You can even do more, but it needs to be signed off by a certified person

[hushed basalt]

Better than here

Can't even replace a plug

A $60 smart switch means an additional $220+ for an electrician callout :D :( 😢

[clear ferry]

Lol, we aren't supposed to do anything ourselves, but most people do anyway

[hushed basalt]

Insurance :/

:p

[hearty depot]

Lol - I got an house tecnician - i bet he does not have any certification (even he should have) but doing all electrical stuff - so happy nothing happend 3 days ago

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/511183813024415774/551372381080518667/IMG_20190302_095037.jpg

My FI

[clear ferry]

Wtf

[hearty depot]

This flat has only one phase as I saw in the pre
fuse box

bad Idea to desing it this way

(I guess the house is about 120 years old)

[clear ferry]

Story of my life with Windows https://i.redd.it/gs7ci2yawtj21.jpg

[hushed basalt]

@hearty depot one phase is the norm here

But we 240v

My guess is there was a bad connection at that joint?

Which causes heat which increases resistance which causes heat which causes resistance which....

[hearty depot]

Meight been - but cant say now - maybe at the pre fuse

[young sigil]

Yep that is a classic high resistance connection fault causing localised heating.

[clear ferry]

Norway has a strange power distribution system that we only share with Albania or something

[midnight adder]

Can @velvet horizon post documentation?

[dull chasm]

as in how

it can give you links

[midnight adder]

Just wondering, because I made a bot that can do that

And I was wondering if there was a server that would want to use it

[dull chasm]

we just do links as our doc pages would be too long for chat ....ie
.vasiley

.vasiley

[velvet horizon]

Have a Walk Around https://github.com/Vasiley

[midnight adder]

Ah, that reminds me, I needed to add something to account for the character limit

[dull chasm]

yea some of ours are a little wordy

.ask

[velvet horizon]

When you do ask a question, try to provide as much background detail as possible. Ask yourself these questions first so that others don't have to:

1. What version of the software are you running?
2. What's your operating system?
3. What exactly are you trying to do that won't work?
4. Is the problem uniform or erratic?
5. What's the exact error message?
6. When did it arise?
7. What exactly don't you "get"?
8. Can you provide sample code, ideally with line errors where the error occurs?

[midnight adder]

What does 🔹mean at the end of usernames

[dull chasm]

committed code

[rough zephyr]

Hi, I'm Josias, new to homeassistant and have a question : what is the difference between hassio and homeassistant?

[vast dove]

.faq

[velvet horizon]

There are a number of FAQs at https://home-assistant.io/faq/, including one explaining the difference between Home Assistant (the software) and Hass.io (an installer) https://www.home-assistant.io/faq/#home-assistant-vs-hassio.

[rough zephyr]

BTW I'm really happy how easy it was to setup hassio 👌

[tiny basalt]

Got any Door Bells you can recommend ?

[pure vine]

depends what you want, I personally didnt need video so i just have a non-IoT honeywell doorbell and am using rtl433 to recvive the press

[orchid rose]

I have a xiaomi button but I guess that's not what you had in mind 😛

[clear ferry]

I have video surveillance on my porch, and spare Xiaomi buttons, I could combine them to a video doorbell 🤔

[hearty depot]

wtf... What is up with the EU theese days?
https://blog.mehl.mx/2019/protect-freedom-on-radio-devices-raise-your-voice-today/

[pure vine]

The US has a similar law

@hearty depot seems like corrupt commercial interest has creeped in

[hearty depot]

FUFUFFUUFUFU RAGE 🤦 The right to repair would be rather a thing - my poor BP

[fathom bay]

@junior forge can we have a #hardware channel to discuss general hardware topic?

[last plaza]

@fathom bay the #diy-archived was supposed to be a hardware channel

[fathom bay]

@last plaza Sometime I want to discuss commodity product, not DIY, for example which Smart Lock is better working with HA, etc.

[storm summit]

@fathom bay yea. good point.

[eternal pasture]

What "MiniPC" is the most bang for the buck? To run HA and maybe a cloud. Anyone done their homework on that? Intel Nuc vs etc etc etc

[hushed basalt]

A raspberry pi 3+b is pretty good bang for buck

But it's ARM

A second hand thin client will probably be the cheapest reasonably punchy x86 PC

HP T610 Plus  is handy.

[eternal pasture]

I have the 3+b, just wanted something stronger maybe

[hushed basalt]

About $100 aud on ebay

[eternal pasture]

or more stable

[hushed basalt]

Probably cheaper in USA

[rare plover]

I've gone with the "free cause its collecting dust" Raspi 2B from my local freinds, not a LOT of bang, but no bucks, so.. ratio is good @eternal pasture 😃

[eternal pasture]

lol

the privileged...

I've put a lot of man hours into my setup, I feel i deserves something stable to run on. Outside the sd-card version. Idk, maybe the 3+b is way more then enough? Maybe just adding an external hdd to it?

[hushed basalt]

RPis are great. But they are literally toys

You could always make a cluster of Pi's :D

[storm summit]

http://www.mini-box.com/ALIX-APU-2D4-AMD-G-Series-GX-412TC

[clear ferry]

@eternal pasture I'm so far very happy with a celeron mini pc I ordered from AliExpress, using it as a router, but considering buying one more for ha

[fair monolith]

@clear ferry link?

my 2008 macbook SSD is failing and its a PITA to install linux on it again

[clear ferry]

@fair monolith NOK 669.51 50%OFF | Mini PC Celeron J1900 Quad Core Windows 10 Dual LAN 2*COM Fanless Mini Computer Celeron J1800 N2810 NetTop 300M WIFI HDMI VGA
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/JxU5MiG

[fair monolith]

aha my HA is down

[light trout]

@clear ferry Running pfsense on it?

[fair monolith]

nope

this will work for HA tho

[clear ferry]

running untangle atm because that is what I had in my esxi , so it was just copy paste configuration, migrating to pfsense when the wife and baby is out of the house for a few hours 😂

[light trout]

Only a few hours? Make sure you have rollback options ready 😅

[fair monolith]

whats the difference between these bundles?

[clear ferry]

I don't have many rules as I have 8 webservers behind a Apache front-end, so I think my external facing rules are at most 12 in total, and I can create the whole configuration in a VM, then deploy to bare metal and copy config over 😜

@fair monolith CPU, memory, local drive if memory serves right

[clear ferry]

Cloudy today

[vast dove]

Where are we off to today?

No travels for me this week, first week this year 😂

[clear ferry]

Day trip to Stavanger to help a customer with some implementations

[vast dove]

Welcome to my hood 😉

[clear ferry]

Oh noes....

[vast dove]

😛

[light trout]

there is no cloud...

[clear ferry]

I can't see any Azure stacks up here

Nor any Aws, it is all lies

I knew the cloud was just local hardware in some nerds basement

Not even Nabu Casa outside the window 🤔

[fair monolith]

@clear ferry well crap, the server could take 22 days to get here

time to run HA on a server elsewhere and bridge my network with some layer 2 vpn goodness

[clear ferry]

Took 29 days to arrive here, no import tax though

[hearty depot]

Has a pi zero enough juice to run docker and a single service?

[hushed basalt]

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1. We free pre-install cracked version Windows 7/8/10, Linux need to add 10usd ,the OS default come with English language

Lol

[fair monolith]

@hearty depot depends

lol because linux is hard to install

what service?

[hushed basalt]

@hearty depot i consider rpi z kind of single purpose

I would install what you want natively

[fair monolith]

it can run docker fine and run a service like znc without any issues

overhead is minimal

oh god, making a 2048 bit DH Param file is going to take forever

[hearty depot]

The docker would have the service preconfigured
Probably will only run on a 3b
https://community.home-assistant.io/t/flic-buttons-server-on-a-docker-container-for-raspberry-pi/37486

[hushed basalt]

Could work

Flic buttons look expensive

[fair monolith]

does it support armv6/

[clear ferry]

Meh boring rental today

[fair monolith]

?

[hearty depot]

got 4 to birthday last year - soooo

[vast dove]

@clear ferry you know we have taxi's here right?

[fair monolith]

thats really your docker issue for the pi zero

[clear ferry]

@vast dove cheaper with rentals, we have good deals, I pay 500 for a day rental from Avis

[hushed basalt]

Maybe you could sell them and buy 40 xiamo buttons :D

[vast dove]

cheaper maybe, but not better 😃

[hushed basalt]

I'd happily give up my license for autonomous taxi drones with a lower cost of ownership of having a vehicle

[clear ferry]

Better because I enjoy driving rentals like a lunatic 😂

[hushed basalt]

Don't be gentle it's a rental

[clear ferry]

Had a Tesla last time

[vast dove]

You pay 500 a day for a rental and you have high expectations? 😛

[hearty depot]

One is acually in use for my phone - Music control is quitch niche

[hushed basalt]

I'd have high expectation for 500 a day

But our currency is superior to yours

[clear ferry]

Usually I get a Tesla, Audi, BMW or similar, Toyota hrv today 🤣

[hushed basalt]

Personally I'd keep them just for your phone and save yourself having to buy a dedicated pi

Put some in your car etc

[vast dove]

@hushed basalt its equal to ~58USD 😛

[clear ferry]

We rent cars without insurance, so if I bump the door we have to pay full value of the car to the rental company, that is pretty bonkers

[hushed basalt]

:/

Do you get to keep the car

[clear ferry]

Haha,no

Company pays though

[hushed basalt]

Just drive it through a spray booth

[clear ferry]

They did the math, with 30000 car rentals daily in the company

It is cheaper i guess

[hushed basalt]

They'll never be able to track it then

[clear ferry]

Like GTA? Just drive into a shop and the car comes out repaired and painted? 🤣

[vast dove]

Life is easier with private drivers, Uber or Taxi ❤

[clear ferry]

@vast dove i love driving too much

[vast dove]

Me too, but on my private time in my own car

[lethal wolf]

I've been on a few road trips with different cars, but man, they where amazing

[clear ferry]

Last time i went to Bristol for work, i flew to London and did rental to Bristol, loved it

[hearty depot]

on topic

[tough igloo]

New gig economy start up. Although I would put $5 on that’s it’s already out there! 😂

5 Aussie dollars so you do the conversion 😆

[fair monolith]

sigh, I love docker but some times I hate it

it makes a lot of deployments easy but over complicates something simple like auto renewing ssl setup

[vast dove]

@fair monolith If you are running docker i would look into https://github.com/linuxserver/docker-letsencrypt there is a nice guide here https://blog.linuxserver.io/2017/11/28/how-to-setup-a-reverse-proxy-with-letsencrypt-ssl-for-all-your-docker-apps/

Takes care of stuff for you

[fair monolith]

@vast dove too late, its done

[vast dove]

😄

[fair monolith]

all thats left is getting my reverse proxies online and then firewalling off the ports

[lethal wolf]

@fair monolith did you have a look into Traefik? It can automagically generate reverse proxies and secure them with lets encryot certificates

[fair monolith]

im never going that route again

[strange vapor]

Pro level trolling: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2019-9191

[hushed basalt]

Apparently Caddy is easier than nginx

I haven't used it though

I have a synology which means I can't use ports 443 and 80 which makes me cry

[strange vapor]

@fair monolith I've started using the DNS Challenge for Let's Encrypt. Have a "split zone" for internal DNS were the external one is there just to publish responses to ACME challenges.

[fair monolith]

ehh, i already have everything working perfectly with webroot

[strange vapor]

Web root means exposing internal apps to the interwebs 😃 DNS keeps internal stuff like HA well away from any public endpoint.

[fair monolith]

@strange vapor um no?

[strange vapor]

Well, exposing a HTTP endpoint.

[fair monolith]

@strange vapor https://pastebin.com/JzuTjQ5Z]

pls do not use this tho as I do not have SSLDHParamFiles set up yet

use http as a redirect like normal

still do the challenge

nothing is exposed 😄

[strange vapor]

hmm..

[hushed basalt]

Reverse proxies are hard

[fair monolith]

@hushed basalt rofl

well shit, I have work in 3 hrs

[strange vapor]

Work's overrated

[hearty depot]

Sorry - cant come in today - I rather take care of my server

[hushed basalt]

There's that article about a guy who automated most of his job

He had a script that would automatically email work that he was sick if he wasn't logged into the servers by 8.15

[strange vapor]

My favourite is the guy who got sub-contractors in China to do all his work. In order to get around the 2FA, he had a webcam pointing at his RSA token.

[hushed basalt]

He called that script hangover

Lol

I'm sure his work would have loved that

I could probably automate 30% of my job

[strange vapor]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21043693

I was wrong, he mailed the RSA token to China!!!

[clear ferry]

@hearty depot i can actually use that excuse 😜

[pure vine]

Even if I automated most of my work, I would still go in so I used less utilitys at home to save money

[clear ferry]

@pure vine I'm in the office once a month mostly, just to get my expenses signed 😂

[strange vapor]

I actually prefer coming into the office and keeping work/home separate. Saying that, there's no problem working at home with zero notice if I'm expecting a delivery or something.

I did suffer some bad burnout a few years back as I was never really away from work. Slack/Skype on phone, work laptop always open etc.

[hushed basalt]

Yeah strict boundaries are important

Even for freelancers

Office hours only, even if you're at home.

Didn't that notoriously bad Yahoo ceo ban telecommuting because she saw that they were logging into the vpn less

Even though it actually meant they were spending more time uninterrupted with meta work and were far more productive

[hearty depot]

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[clear ferry]

@strange vapor i keep the boundary pretty hard, if I'm off i don't reply to mails nor do i answer phone calls, if im actually on vacation i do whitelist on my phone, but i work 90% of my time at customer site or from my home office

[strange vapor]

The only work related apps on my phone right now are Pager Duty and a 2FA app.

As I see it, to actually do anything, we're locked down enough that I can only work from the Work laptop. So, if I'm not near that laptop, I'm not going to be able to do much 😃

[clear ferry]

Yeah, 90% of our systems are reachable without VPN , which is great,but also bad for people who cannot stop working

[hushed basalt]

I turn notifications off on my phones except for rings

Don't have any social media apps installed

More for avoiding distractions in general

[clear ferry]

@hushed basalt my phone is silent 24/7 except when i have on duty

And i dont have faceplantbook or such anyway, nor any social media apps with notification, except discord 😂

The snow was almost gone, now it is back 🤕

[last plaza]

@shut raptor 👇

~yaml2json action:
- service: notify.discord_webhook
data:
images:
- /config/snapshot/ringmotion.jpg
message: 'Front Door Motion Detected. See attached photo.'

[velvet horizon]

{
  "action": [
    {
      "service": "notify.discord_webhook",
      "data": {
        "images": [
          "/config/snapshot/ringmotion.jpg"
        ],
        "message": "Front Door Motion Detected. See attached photo."
      }
    }
  ]
}

[last plaza]

This code looks similar to the one on the docs site

[shut raptor]

so odd

[last plaza]

yup

[shut raptor]

under images: is it still two spaces?

[last plaza]

It is a valid YAML - otherwise the @velvet horizon will throw an error. So, the spacing is correct!

[shut raptor]

https://hastebin.com/ocecopirif.sql

both with discord webhook and slack so im lost lol

[last plaza]

@shut raptor It looks like the webhook doesn't support images: - nothing to do with discord or slack

[shut raptor]

slack isnt a webhook tho is it?

[last plaza]

both discord and slack support webhooks - meaning, you can post messages by making a REST API call

[shut raptor]

oh for slack its wants "path":"/path/to/file.ext"

im using the slack component and discord webhook because discord is broken for me on docker

[shut raptor]

@last plaza - service: notify.slack data: message: "Front Door Motion Detected. See attached photo" title: "Motion Detected" data: file: path: "/config/snapshot/ringmotion.jpg" works for slack

[light trout]

I need to look more into GH actions, first one done for now :D
https://github.com/ludeeus/actions/blob/master/ha-config-check 😅

[low harness]

Neat. Can it add one of them fancy badge things to your readme as well, telling everyone you uploaded actually working code?

[light trout]

Probably 😛 it can

[hushed basalt]

@clear ferry does that include no buzzing or on screen notificaitons :D

[last plaza]

@serene mortar there are problems with that script. I was finally be able to run it, it found my iPhone using bluetooth, and dropped a message to mqtt. I am posting it here, as I don't feel #ios_and_mac-archived is the right spot for our conversation

when I turn off bluetooth on my phone, I expect it to post "away" or "not home", but it still posts "home" status

I think my code is WAY simpler https://blog.kalavala.net/bluetooth/raspberrypi/device_tracker/homeassistant/mqtt/presence-detection/2018/06/12/bluetooth-device-tracker.html

[eternal pasture]

@clear ferry Did you order it also from that company that you linked? How long time did it take to arrive. It saya around 30 days on all their options

[serene mortar]

@last plaza so sounds like it is not working as we expected it to?

[last plaza]

nope!

lol - I have my own code, that does 100% better, and only 10 lines of code 😃

[chilly apex]

Can I ask a question here about sonoff flashing or is that not allowed?

[serene mortar]

💯 percent 😜

But yeah... That was a bummer

[last plaza]

@chilly apex you can ask in the #551843800209686539 channel also

@serene mortar I was hoping more granular room prediction using confidence factor... I will see if I can modify my script

like when your phone is close to RPi in one room, the confidence factor is higher in that room compared to other rooms... that way you can triangulate a person to a room

[serene mortar]

Does it return the RSSI value?

[chilly apex]

K. Thanks

[serene mortar]

and how frequently does it update

[last plaza]

@serene mortar it is configurable - every 30 seconds...

[serene mortar]

I'm that case, it should work for room detection

[last plaza]

@serene mortar https://github.com/ewenchou/bluetooth-proximity

[serene mortar]

Worth a shot

[last plaza]

trying right now... problem with the iPhones is when it goes into sleep mode, the bluetooth state becomes unreliable

[last dirge]

this is probably a SD card corruption problem, right?

ha, nevermind!

lux's color settings make that illegible on my other monitor

[hushed basalt]

Lenovo T490s looks like it will have soldered ram only :(

And no RJ45.

Looks like the T490 is becoming more like the T480s as well

No 2.5" hdd slots which I don't mind. No power bridge.

[clear ferry]

@eternal pasture yeah, took around 30 days

[normal ferry]

hi - any suggestions for compatible electronic peepholes for appartment doors that are compatible with home assistant ?

[light trout]

Rpi zero W with rpicam

And a screenshot (i guess)

[normal ferry]

Thanks @light trout 😃

[strange vapor]

I've seen an Axis pin-hole camera used for that purpose, bit more expensive than a Pi though!

[strange vapor]

Go through some old stuff last night. Found a D-Link 5-port HUB which is powered by the PS-2 port 😄

Still works too

[hushed basalt]

Put that in the trash

Then set the trash on fire

Then bury the ashes

Then move

[clear ferry]

what the heck @strange vapor powered by PS2, pix or it didn't happen 😄

[clear ferry]

@shy comet btw, best advice I can give you, remember you can put the baby down, I have a temper and I learned very early to put the baby down, and breathe 😄

[strange vapor]

@clear ferry Pic you say?

[clear ferry]

lolol 😄

[strange vapor]

It's a D-Link DE-805tp

[low harness]

I ran my first LAN party through one of those.

[viscid crag]

@last plaza AFAIK when you turn bluetooth off in newer version of iOS BT doesn't really turn off. To actually test it you have to put your phone into flight mode.

[last plaza]

@viscid crag cool, thank you! will try out tonight again 😃

[low harness]

I think it turns off if you do it from settings, but not from the quick menu thing

[last plaza]

I did it from quick menu

[vast dove]

Need to do it from settings

[last plaza]

ok...

[viscid crag]

@last plaza np. I should also mention that I never used it for room presence detection as I don't need it and I think it would be too slow for it.

I probably should describe what to do with it in the readme and how to use it with HA.

[last plaza]

ok... I was trying out with RSSI values - I found a couple of repos that gives you the rssi values, and even some rudimentary method to calculate the distance... but haven't had good luck with that!

[viscid crag]

I can try to implement that but in my opinion it would be too slow anyway. And it would spam the frequency band which might have impact on your wifi.

That's why Andrew implemented (in monitor.sh) to be able to trigger from HA to scan for devices to now periodically scan the area.

[last plaza]

ok... makes sense!

[viscid crag]

Feel free to ping me if have questions about. Feedback is very welcome.

[last plaza]

absolutely... will try it tonight again! thanks for all the information!

[clear ferry]

@strange vapor @low harness never seen anything like it, i started hosting LAN parties in 96 , I've seen strange things, but never that 🤣

[past spire]

Hi. To run google home on home assistant. do i need to use the home assistant cloud if i only want to run local?

[unreal orbit]

https://www.home-assistant.io/components/google_assistant/#manual-setup

[fair monolith]

Rip my HA

[unreal orbit]

What kind of lights are they?

[fair monolith]

@unreal orbit something is wrong with the HA server, it tends to time out

Aka ssd failing?

[unreal orbit]

What are you running HA on?

[fair monolith]

A 2008 MacBook with hassio :p

[unreal orbit]

That seems like not the best idea

[fair monolith]

Indeed

[past spire]

Villhellm - This i have read. I am just abit confused when it states "to use Google Assistant, your Home Assistant configuration has to be externally accessible with a hostname and SSL certificate. when i then press the link it states for "remote access". So should i understand this it is not necessary to have when only running local?

[unreal orbit]

Hostname + SSL != home assistant cloud. They are different things. You will have to expose your instance to the internet to use HA with google assistant. Just the way she goes with cloud based services

So no, there is not a way to keep it completely local with google assistant. There are some other open source voice assistants you can use locally

[past spire]

@unreal orbit . Ok thanks for reply. I will go forward with hostname + SSL.

[strange vapor]

@clear ferry Got it to MITM a SCADA device years ago. Worked a charm.

[light trout]

Anyone got some cool/usefull GH actions? 😄

[pure vine]

barcode scanners a so expensive £89 for a bluetooth 2D one

[fair monolith]

use your phone

[pure vine]

I cant, becuse the data input is being done on a phone

[hushed basalt]

Ones we use at work are like $400

And they are only lower mid tier

Bluetooth scanners are really a retail and industrial market sort of device, there's not really any consumer market for them so they're always going to be expensive

[fair monolith]

https://www.socketmobile.com

some good really programable scanners that will not murder your bank

be prepared to spend $200 tho

[rapid musk]

Anyone have a 4k fire TV stick?

[clear ferry]

For the music lovers out there, this is probably one of the best live concerts i have seen, enjoy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growing_Up_Live

[fair monolith]

oh god, I have the ubuntu server installer installed on the internal drive to install ubuntu on the external drive so I can boot to it and from there install ubuntu on the internal drive properly

[strange vapor]

Ubuntu all the way down until you hit a Perl script?

[fair monolith]

@strange vapor the issue is a 32bit UEFI and a 64bit OS

[strange vapor]

Ah, UEFI... Fun

[fair monolith]

yah, I cant get the dam thing to boot via bios mode

[strange vapor]

Don't know the source, but seems accurate!

[fair monolith]

about to be my HA server

yep I give up, RIP HA till I get a NUC

[strange vapor]

I'm currently trying to find a 1U fanless server to put in the same rack as a switch, however they seem as rare as hen's teeth 😦

[clever mortar]

You can assemble them, but I don't know of any pre-built

[strange vapor]

@clever mortar Yup, I've been looking at Mini-ITX options as I've had really good luck with them, but was hoping for something off the shelf that doesn't break the bank

[clever mortar]

I've seen folks sell 1U cases for fanless Mini-ITX stuff

[strange vapor]

The 1U appliances that mini-itx.com are selling look nice and low powered, but they're not exactly cheap.

Then again, doing the maths, if they're only pulling 20W I'm likely to save some money in the medium to long term by using them.

[clever mortar]

Trade offs all around. I've got a Xeon server that's nominally more power hungry than the thing it replaced. In reality because it spends less time in high power states, it's actually more efficient by far

[strange vapor]

Yup, always tradeoffs.

[normal ferry]

What do you guys think about this one in terms of handling a smart home , with local movie streaming needs ?
https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RT-AC86U/

[clever mortar]

Multiple APs is the way to go

[normal ferry]

I don't think I can support mesh WiFi financially right now 😦 or in the near future

[clever mortar]

Not mesh, but hard wired APs

Ubnt or other

Start with one, then add more as you need/can afford

Rather than assuming that a single central point will scale

[normal ferry]

You mean like repeaters?

[clever mortar]

Nope

Access Points

That's like what you posted, but without all the router nonsense included

"All" it does is provide WiFi connectivity to a network

But, you can have one, or three, or one per room, or...

That's how it's done comercially

[strange vapor]

@normal ferry Using Unifi, there's a central controler which can be a docker image, then each AP is wired back to a common switch. So, you can start off with one AP, and then work up.

Have it at home, and it has been so reliable that I bought a system for my Parent's as well to cut down on family support 😃

[clever mortar]

Even without Unifi, you can do it, I've an old Asus WiFi router that has an AP mode. It covers the "far" end of the house while I wait to upgrade to Unifi 😃

[strange vapor]

And for similar reasons, if my mother was watching a player app on the TV and my father went for watching Youtube on his phone, the poor Linksys access point had a meltdown 😃