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Lol.... They are trackers like any other but they require you to sign in. Usually only able to register by invite
Once in you need to maintain a ratio DL / UL
Oh ok
What part of NZ @quartz ether
Hamilton
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Wow this Logitech G910 keyboard is pretty awesome!
It may be my greatest Christmas present.
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Watching a house being built is a real test of patience.
@dry cairn Demoted?
someone is having fun
someone started with a fresh config rather than migrating ๐
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Where could I ask for Help with a cURL command?
I try to use a G-Homa Plug with home assistant
this guy already figured a way out
https://github.com/tig-robertgrundeken/ghoma-google-home
But the PHP file cant be runed in HA - so I try for the last 2 hours to get it to an curl command...
rewrite it to python, HA can do python ๐
Then it's a great time to learn ๐
Where best - and how?
You should be able to do what you want with requests http://docs.python-requests.org/en/master/
lol request for Humans
it doesn't look like it'd be that complicated to create a switch component for it.
or you could do it with a rest switch: https://www.home-assistant.io/components/switch.rest/
That is a posibility, but it takes a metric ๐ฉ ton of information in the data it must transfer
i mean, it's technically quicker to do via a rest component, since you don't have to worry about setting up a custom component
I tryed already with a rest_command but failed hard
the hard part about the rest component is not including your credentials in it
OK! Outch - Hit my head again
also, looking at the php the guy is using, it's got JSON encapsulated in XML?
that's dirty
just needs some YAML thrown in to summon eldritch horrors of coding
"drity" was a bit kind ๐คฃ
At least a point for me to sniff the credencials
and everyone else on the internet (especially since it looks like these are talking back to chinese servers)
set up a proxy to get all the infos in the first place - even had to roll back because I couldnt sniff the https cerdentials xD
You can should use the https endpoint
the fact it even has a http endpoint is borderline criminal these days
for passing credentials
from that link: "body":{"authentication":{"FUserAccount":"' . $plugUser . '","FPassword":"' . $plugPass . '"} looks pretty plaintext to me
it is..
The user is plaintext - but the password is something like A243D217E0E71A20FA3CC5A65E270151
a clear text hash'd password is still less than ideal
that short a hash is pretty breakable, probably MD5
go back 4 hours, give up.
no one is laughing ๐คท
just super happy xD
okey @clever mortar is, but I think that is not relevant, he seems to be in an unusual good mood ๐ป
Two days of good food, family, and no work
That will do it ๐
I mean, I'm technically the escalation route for the on call people, but if it gets to me then things have gone to hell, and back, and if I'm not sober it doesn't matter
Hahahahaha ๐คฃ
Also probably means it's a really hard interesting problem, which means it'll be fun - and I'll get the time back
or the people on call are so drunk they can't see the difference between DNS and Dominos Pizza ๐คท
Well, there's that...
but in that case thee might be pizza waiting for you ๐
Which isn't the end of the world ๐
@quartz ether see just a slight setback all fixed now ๐
Take it away again.
preferential treatment!
i'm pretty sure nobody in here gives me anything preferential
exept a load of crap ......
pretty sure someone will complain again sooner or later
the facebook mentality demands it
@last plaza
skalavala is away for 3m 52s with a message :point_right: On my way to Elbonia on a business trip.
Awesome!
Ok. Cool
rebuilding my old ass hictop i found in the garage the other day ๐
Hey @dry cairn , if you ever feel the need, I will give you my address and you can ship that to me. In return, I will ship you my wife......just saying.
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sounds like a good deal
not sure
She cooks, although she uses the smoke detector as a timer. She cleans, when she feels like it. She is really great at shopping......sales...spending money
there's a reason he's trying to get rid of her

Lmao...just kidding
who cares i get takeout i got a maid and i shop myself
Limited time offer. Just pay shipping and handling
I REALLY NEED a 3D printer though
question is what are the specs
monoprice has cheap ones. Not saying they're any good
@green inlet you can get a ender 3 pro for 270$ or a monoprice maker select plus for 299
Have you tried calling/visiting the website of your local Library? Three libraries near me have 3d printers
Specs? I dream stuff up I donโt need and it prints it cuz itโs cool๐
if they worth a shit is the question
specs on your wife man ......get with the pro gram
whats a shawty
~lmgtfy shawty
Here, try this => http://lmgtfy.com/?q=shawty
Maybe I spelled it wrong
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if you got money to burn get a prusa mk3
What is a Prusa going to cost?
so many channels.. I have no idea which one to ask stuff in 
Where would I ask about aliexpress items confirmed to work? (outlets, etc)
with mmu 2.0 prolly 1200 1300
I really donโt have a need. I just feel like if I have one...I,will,find stuff. Yea...thatโs outa my range
ender 3 pro is really a great printer for 269$
it needs a lil screw tightening when you get it thats it
Nest or not to nest
I have a nest hello. That thing just works and works well
nest hello?
yeah i got one too
oh. it's like ring
Threw the ring pro in the trash
Yes...very good.
So hard to find stuff that works outside in say -35 Celsius/-31 F
sometimes they got sales
but then i made my own thermostat that works natively with ha
Walmart has them on sale,right now for 200
See if your government, electrical company, natural gas, or city has a rebate
Mine was giving away Ecobee 3 and nests
Almost pulled the trigger. @lone cargo , I checked into that too...no go

if you handy build my thermostat
How did you find that...on their home page?
5 inch touchscreen wifi etc etc
government advertised the heck outta it
runs local and does not phone home
I am handy but....wife....has to look esthetically pleasing
of course
Local government. Like city?
sure. or State/Province
well the case is 3d printed but if you print it on a good printer it looks like molded
I get it.....we are back to trading my wife for your printer ๐
just fork out the 269
best entry level printer ive run into so far
oh. forgot we were talking about printers lmao
if a printer ends up on craigslist or ebay there garanteed a issue
for about 159 you can get a monoprice mini delta
but they are junk when they stock their firmware has wrong steps etc etc
not gonna be any cheaper
they wised up
you can prolly get it free there
they got a shipping garantee
if it don t show on garanteed date you get a refund
Is anyone familiar with hassio add-ins?
yeah the ppl at #330990055533576204
Sorry for bothering you, Zombu. Certainly wasn't intended.
i just pointed you to the correct channel
Appreciated and apologizing. Not being sarcastic.

right
Well that was awkward.....or wasnโt it?
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you know thats how i get shit on all the time ...just by pointing things out then ppl are mad
Uh huh
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I appreciate straight forward and direct.
@dry cairn Unfortunately, I believe I came across differently than intended...Not sure it's appropriate to apologize again, but I'm sorry?
@chilly nymph ....๐ฎ๐ฎ๐
it only comes across as you want to see it
That said, I think I need discord help now. My #330990055533576204 channel has disappeared from my navigation window and I am only able to access it through clicking on the link in this chat ๐
this is text which does not convey any emotions very well
click on the dropdown where it says support
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I don't think there's anyone around in that channel at the moment and I really should be heading to bed. I will try to pop back in tomorrow when I have more time and ask again.
they will answer sooner or later most ppl are US based so some of em are sleeping
and then there is @clever mortar that guy is always awake
Tinkerer is away for 5h 14m 49s with a message :point_right: Still searching for signs of intelligent life.
At least on Tinkerers account.
Appreciated. I just want to figure out how to package up an add-in I'd like to make from some interaction I'm building with Hyundai Blue Link
no clue man i don t do hassio
He is hassio?
No, I know. This isn't the right place to ask anyway
yup
@vale shale Going to try hassio soon. Have not tried it yet.
Thats an oopsi
but want to package it for both
normal ha has no app store
Have no problem with homeassistant. Just want to make sure I do the "one click install" appropriately
Correct.
The one click install is for hassio
the one that would know is @junior forge he's the hassio addon sorcerer
Cool. I'll check in with them then. Thanks for the tip.
I recognize that name...
Maybe from the podcast.
he runs his own channels on youtube and twitch or some shit ๐
but if someone knows its him
Oh yeah? I rarely have time for youtube or twitch, lol. Frankly, I always forget to stop in to this discord server as well, though I've been lurking for around a year
he might be dozing though he is in teh netherlands
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Huge thank you to @rain oxide Who helped me with over 4hours of troubleshooting after a bad config file almost caused me to wipe my HA but with his help we were able to fix the config file and get everything working again. Your help is greatly appreciated ๐
Now go install the ssh add-on and take a snapshot!
How was everyone Xmas
short
For real. Already forced him to make a backup.
on the windows machine open cmd and type ipconfig /all
is the IP of pihole listed at the top of DNS servers?
oh, pi-hole is hosted on a raspberry pi
yes?
Doesnt matter?
no
No it doesnt show
then you are not using it..
sigh Is there a guide somewhere?
After changing DNS server on windows run this:
ipconfig /flushdns
in CMD to "trigger" the change
it still doesnt show on ipconfig /all
Could it be because I have a vm installed? I remember a while ago vm's messed up my networking
ipconfig /release
ipconfig /renew
[โ] List download failed: using previously cached list
[i] Target: hosts-file.net (ad_servers.txt)
[i] Status: Pending...```
Does that mean anything important?
looks like you do not have static IP/DNS set on the server (pi)
Under "ipv4_address":?
good idea
@formal temple Windows Key + R then type \\192.168.0.9 or whatever the IP is
thanks that did it ๐ another snippet learned
@junior forge if i wanted to build my hass like you have yours from a fresh install would i just delete all the folders in config and copy yours over then start configuring everything or is that a bad idea?
Well, that would work somewhat, but you'll probably going to run into issue with all kinds of devices I have and you don't
and generally, I would really recommend to really understand how your own configuration works, so starting from scratch to figure it out, would something I would recommend.
@junior forge it is not my main machine it is a new vm i'm setting up/ playing with
@formal temple Story stays the same ๐
Blindly copying anybody else's setup will cause pain
Unless of course they've got the default config, and haven't done anything yet ๐
its not blindly and its on a vm that has nothing configured yet
how do i get VSC to automatically open when i click a yaml file?
Windows?
yeah i tried to set it with the check box but it still asks how to open it
thanks fixed it
is there a way to bulk change the indent in vsc?
It has a search and replace option that supports regular expressions, so yes
Started moving automatons from yaml to node-red to play around with it. A few hours later the yaml is all gone and my simple automation have evolved into the WOPR.
Also I'm sitting here like an idiot testing this flow with a 5 minute timer in it instead of changing the timer to 5 seconds for the purposes of testing. Sigh heh
lol been there before
Does anyone know if there will ever be an official Home Assistant App for phones that could be used to send notifications to your phone when a sensor is tripped, not to mention just simple controlling of entities?
There already is an iOS app
If you mean an Android app, they discussed this in one of the podcasts a month or few back. The short answer is "no"
oh, well aint that nice....
There are already a bunch of unofficial apps being written
There exists an iOS app because somebody wanted to create one, and they happened to be a developer of HA already
Android by far is the most widely used OS for mobile, and I would think that a platform such as HA that is used widely by people who like to tinker (no pun intended) under the hood, that an Android app would be created
true. I wont be the one to make it, I don't know anything about app development ๐
Remember, developers put the effort into the things that interest them, not what you want
There's already a bunch of ways you can get notifications to an Android phone, plus obviously the Lovelace UI works on Android
There's little actual need for an Android app
Other than folks that want it all in one place
That is true to a certain extent...if they only did what interests them and not the community, then I feel the community would leave to find other platforms that listen to what they want to see
I would just like to get notifications sent to my phone when a sensor is tripped, I can use the web interface via the Cloud to control stuff
So, there's a host of ways to achieve the first already - pick one
Heck, there's even native support without any apps
Remote access through cloud is coming
I have the Cloud setup with DuckDNS and can control it, but I am unaware of getting notifications sent through. Guess I need to do some more Google-fu
~notify.html5
Honestly, in the last two years (sheesh, that long already) I've never felt the need for an app on Android
I think thatโs the main reason thereโs no android app. Some people have started on one, but realized it wouldnโt add much over the web app.
This Notify.html seems like it may work, I have Chrome on my Android (obviously). Guess i just need to set this up and see what it does. Thanks!
It sends native notifications ๐
one last question...i notice that when messing around with configuring, one little extra space will make HA not boot. I have found sometimes in the past I need to wipe and start over. What is the best way to do this easier? Would it just be to take a backup image of my SD card before messing around, or is there a better way in case HA wont boot?
Any time you change the config check it
Secondly, wipe and start over is the nuclear option. The log tells you what the problem is, you just have to fix it
Worst case, Home Assistant won't start - the host still will though
But yes, you absolutely should be taking automated backups regularly, and keeping them off the HA system
~backup
Be sure to regularly, automatically, back up your Home Assistant install. There are various critical files and configuration options (like the Z-Wave network key), plus all your time. Hass.io has snapshots, and for unix type installs see https://blog.ceard.tech/2017/10/backing-up-home-assistant.html. Oh, and most important of all test your ability to restore regularly.
~yaml @fickle kayak
@fickle kayak YAML is the mark up language used by Home Assistant. Consistent indenting (two spaces per level) is key - read more at https://home-assistant.io/docs/configuration/yaml/
Read that one - and obviously all the other docs - but that one covers formatting
i do understand Yaml mostly, just sometimes I make a mistake. I will absolutely check the config from an SSH connection. This works without having to reload HA, right? ( I mean, it seems that after reloading you would already be live on the new config, just not sure if check config would work if it's not live)
Yes
cool
You do it before reloading the config, or restarting Home Assistant
Don't reboot the host
@fickle kayak - check this thread out - on Android HA App / Client - https://community.home-assistant.io/t/alpha-ha-client-native-android-client-for-home-assistant/69912/37
Thanks @delicate pollen I will do that now
Hi everyone๐
.rank is the command you're after
That rank doesn't exist.
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Oh, the bot says it's ?rank
Ah, yes, that's the other bot
Wow, I can't read tonight
Too many bots, not enough โ
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my hacktoberfest t-shirt arrived
Thanks
General question for the Discord Chat platform: Does anyone know whether it would be possible for our Community Home Assistant channels to turn on Conversation Threads? Asking as it can be challenging returning to Discord and trying to catch up on an interesting topic, especially if more discussions are ongoing in the same channel. Im thinking of the Thread feature in Slack, Twist and Microsoft Teams? ๐
AFAIK Discord does not have that, and even with that (I use it in Teams) some users does not get the concept of it and starts a new thread instead of replying in the thread, making it even harder to folow ๐คท
@light trout You are right, however if just 70 % of the threads were in Threads it would be much easier to jump in to a channel.
Yet, Discord doesn't support it, so it's all theoretical anyway ๐
maybe if and that is a big if, all users will use it, and that is not going to happen
@clever mortar - just found out - anyways maybe it would be coming in future updates, cause the platform really matches everything else ๐ ๐
this ( https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/361518119421739030/527969495957110795 ) got me thinking about the HA SQL db, which i've configured to retain just 2 days worth of data.
Instead of a simple purge , is there a way to export then purge ?
Resulting in the data to be sent to another SQL host where data can be...hoarded ad infinutum ?
Use InfluxDB ๐
yikes...did not want that preview of the url ๐ฆ
You forgot to wrap the url in < ... >
i didn't forget, i never knew 
It's disabled by default in most channels, but left in some so that people can post images etc
thx, fixed it
so, "use influxdb" ... ? means migrate from sqlite to influxdb , and influxdb offers the possibility to export before purge ?
You can send all the data to InfluxDB too
And then keep the long term data there, rather than in HA
goof sir ๐คฃ
That sounds about right ๐
I started playing with it yesterday
The only downside is that if it disconnects from InfluxDB it won't try to reconnect, so you have to restart
ouch
would this be the recommend, or best, solution for storing data for later reports etc
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Depends on what you want to achieve
to hoard all the dataz
Depends too on what other software you're using, that'll talk to that db
Influx is designed for long term time series data
Really just some e.g. Lovelace (future) cards with some graf on temp and KWh for more than one day, e.g. with the ability to go back in time
That sounds like InfluxDB and Grafana
Regarding the re-connecting of Influx if dis-connected - any workaround or only restart?
Restart, until some developer addresses that
restart the add-on ? or HA ?
HA
ufff
Yeah
yahh
Hahahahahahahahahahah HA
There's a historical issue, but at the time the response was very much a "so what"
Any suggestion on where to host the DB ... only have the Rasp on premise .....
ha ha yeah a possibly
You got a point - and in-fact I have an additional pi and a HDD soo
Well then - perfect Christmas project ๐ better get started. ๐
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@clever mortar storage more worth than the compute then? ๐
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I am watching a video right now on MQTT because I keep hearing people talk about it....but I don't understand, what can MQTT be used for in HA? Examples of things to do?
Is MQTT used to control things that aren't Z-Wave capable? Like a desk lamp...I would need an RPi to be the MQTT Client and then it would somehow control the lamp?
@dry cairn Thanks for the help ๐
my apartment bedroom & bathroom door are officially being monitored by HA now, w00t. (yay Konnected)
Hi :)
MQTT can be used to easily communicate between devices and applications through a local host that stores all the communication
re the data scince portal announcement...... where is the correct place to report problems?
I want to say #devs_documentation-archived as it is technically documentation. There may be a github, lemme check
I'm getting an addon is not allowed to connect to db error
How is everyone tonight?
I'm installing hassio now for the first time. About time to see what all the fuss is about.
I presume it's as easy to package addins as it is components. ๐
Though now I'm getting worried. First boot is going on 15 minutes lol
it's probably done then. It doesn't do anything special on the console once it's loaded
oh that message was an hour and a half ago so you probably realized that by now
anyone know if you can "clean" your "have i been pwned" list? lets say your email is in there, you go and change the password, can you then clean out the list again? no point reporting you have leaked cridentials after you have changed them
Nope, because they don't know, and can't know
well that kinda sucks :/
Sign up the the email notifications, then you only get told about the new ones
would be cool if we could create a user, add our emails and then we could clean out the "old" data ๐
That'd be a nightmare for Troy Hunt to support
That will not help, that is just one collection of breached DB's, the info will still be out there
Ayup
i wanted to use the https://www.home-assistant.io/components/sensor.haveibeenpwned/ sensor ๐ but i'd preffere if i could "clean it"
why?
All that matters is that the state changes, if it changes, you have a new report
because atm i got 3 known leaks on one of my emails, they have all been sorted out, but having a sensor say 3 all the time would not be as good ๐ฆ
But your data is still leaked, and it's not just your email address and password, there's usually other data
And, only three? Sheesh
I only have 11 (3 different accounts) ๐
I've got more than that in just one ๐
i got 5 total i think, 3 in one account then 2 on another account (but both of those 2 are same sites as on the main account)
Given the main variations I use of my primary email address, I've got over 20 breaches on that one alone, with just those main variations
but if i just use the haveibeenpwned sensor as it is, i would need to remember the number of breaches for each account to look for changes :/ would be nice if it could just be a binary sensor to tell if there's been a new one
how can i write an automation to check if it increases :/ ?
state trigger only tells me if it changes right? but then i would need to edit the config and change "from" and "to" properties after a breach? sure its still better than remembering, but would be nice to have it more automatic
Nope
Please read the link ๐
Triggers when the state of a given entity changes. If only entity_id is given trigger will activate for all state changes, even if only state attributes change
If only
entity_idis given trigger will activate for all state changes (emphasis mine)
Then you can create a notify action for it:
"New HaveIBeenPwned breach! old value{{ trigger.from_state.state }}, new value {{ trigger.to_state.state }}"
edit: Got an 'e' from @clever mortar that now has been added.
I've got quite a few automations that are like that
(for what @light trout refers to)
Even with his mis-spelling of state, have another ๐ช @light trout
yea, but if only entity_id is given, it triggers when home-assistant starts up and the value if first updated to? atleast thats something i ahve had issues with before
You can handle that easily with a condition check, to ensure that the previous state wasn't unknown
oooh ok
{{ ! is_state('sensor.sensor_name', None) }}
Personally, given I use a password manager and unique passwords everywhere, I've stopped worrying about the breaches. Particularly after some of the proper big ones I've been in
Same here, and 2FA where supported
well, i use password manager aswell, but would be nice to know eitherway, then i can easly go in and update where the breach has been
here as in Home Assistant, or Discord or Both? ๐
i was woundering the same thing .P
Discord, so far
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Home Assistant is already locked behind two different layers of auth
I only have one for HA (not exposed anywhere) so if someone get to it, I have bigger issues then automations..
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Yeah, if my home network gets popped, Home Assistant is the least of my worries
I realy should enable http basic auth..
If you've got a proxy, then running some form of auth there is a nice other layer of security
Nginx so far - should be easy - but realy affraid to brake some stuff
Do'nt come clear with your new avartar ๐คฃ
I just look throu your blog and see you made a tutorial on that already
https://blog.ceard.tech/2018/01/nginx-and-home-assistant.html ๐
I'm going to assume that you've already got Let's Encrypt or your chosen SSL provider configured, and that you've forwarded the port your u...
My config (for an old version of NGINX) is on my Github
As for the avatar, and ID, well, somebody was talking towels ๐
O_o
If you've never read the series, listened to the radio show, watched the TV show, or the movie (all of which are different, but similar), then the references probably don't mean anything
already googled talking towels - but got distracted by github - oh look a cent!
ah! the hitchhikers guide!
saw the movie - and read 50 sites of the book - Then I got the lord of the ring from my grandpa - never finished
LOTR is harder going, because it's so big. HHGTTG is smaller, and lighter weight (though, a 5 part trilogy...)
The original BBC TV series is what got me into it, then I read the books, and enjoyed the movie. I think I've heard the radio series, but it was a long time ago ๐
Was it the radio show where the people paniced because they thourght it where real news? ( there is a talk with a friend maybe 15 jears ago in the back of my head)
That'll be the original Orson Welles one, War of the Worlds
Which was delivered as a "news" broadcast
also it's probably marketing hype that people were actually scared of it ๐
people knew how to go viral even back then
Nice - guess what I start listening soon xD
nope - ll probably go for the the radio show ๐
lol Orson Welles is from 1938
oh no - the radio remake was from 1968
how was every one xmas ๐
Short
I think on some level I'm addicted to HA. ๐ค
My system has been down past two weeks and is going to be for the next month due to moving to a new house. I read about all the new cool stuff and forum posts and can't do anything myself :D Feels terrible :D
And, that looks suspiciously like spam
guys quick poll: where do you prefer installing your temperature/humidity sensors ? center of the room? furniture close to walls? walls themselves? floor? ceiling?
I pick the centre of a non-window, non-radiator wall, somewhere between sitting and standing chest height so it gives what I think is a real feel temperature reading
everyone is changing their names and pictures and i no longer know what is real ๐คฃ
Do not try and bend the spoon, that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth...there is no spoon. Then you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself
Makes eating a yoghurt kinda messy tho tbh Tinkerer
hm
what the heck certbot
trying to renew my cert and its telling me congrats, your new cert has been saved at x and will expire 1 day past the expiration date of the old cert
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hassio policy for new certs
Do any of you use any of the 433 mhz outlets with HA?
If so, what are your thoughts in terms of reliability etc?
You probably want to mention what part of the world you're in ๐
This may not be the right channel...
Ok. I'll move over there. Thanks @clever mortar !
I wasn't sure since it was more of a hardware question than a HA question
hi there, I'm completely new to home automation, and am currently analysing wireless connexion technologies
there's a truckload of them, and I'd like to make an educated choice ๐
correct me if I'm wrong, but most of them are proprietary, and most of them suffer from poor security
hello boys and girls
well i am still new
but from what i have seen is deal with the lack of security by keeping all IOT devices on a separate subnet that is firewalled from the rest of your network
i need to rebuild my home file server and I am looking for options
I don't mean security for the IT network, but for the IoT network itself
I don't want a neighbour or anyone having control or the possibility to harm my home
well do not let that subnet hit the outside world
that should keep 99% of the crap out
are you thinking that the attack will come from your wireless network?
the wireless IoT network, not the IT network
z-wave, zigbee,...
they all suffer from security weaknesses
i am just not that worried about an attack vector that means you have to be within a few 100 yards of my house
my neighbour is within 1 yard of my house ๐
yes but how many of them have the skills
my front door is on the street
yes but someone would have to care enough to come to your house and break into your network
and I'm making the exercise to maybe provide that service to businesses
well that will change something's
if it is for company's i would not do wireless and go all wired
wired does not seem that much secured as well
well they have to get on the network
I read about KNX, which is completely open
if all wired that is much harder
plugging a device is not hard at all
if there network is setup correctly it is hard to plug in
and if they are inside of my company you are screwed
I know that I'm a bit paranoid, but from my IT background I know that if something bad can happen, something bad will happen
if they want to do you harm they put a gun to your head and do or take what they want
i have been a system admin for years in a DOD environment ......you are over thinking this
meeting rooms, waiting rooms, offices,... there are plenty of occasions to be there and be able to plug something in the mains
yes but only the guest network
again you're considering the IT network
I'm worried about the IoT network: zigbee, knx, whatever
ok why is there an open port to your iot network in a meeting room?
any mains plug is a port to your IoT network
wait what?????
only if you are sending signals over the mains
and i would not do that
I wouldn't either, but it's the only practical way to add automation to an existing installation
that, or wireless
and afaik none of them is secure
pay the money and run the wires
automation is very much a luxury and you pay for luxury
well, I don't agree ๐ But this is getting away from my main questions: are there wireless IoT technologies that are really secure ?
If your home is isolated, you obviously are a lot less concerned
i live in the suburbs
but i know how far my wireless network goes
and they would have to be close to me
and i have a big home wireless network
I'm not concerned about my home wifi, that's quite well secured
my questionning is exclusively on the IoT side of things
if anyone can play with my lights, heating system,... that's a big no go
yep nothing that can hurt me will go on the internet
i think i need to get off my ass and setup a new unraid server
will some one do a video on this https://www.home-assistant.io/components/image_processing.facebox/
been trying to get this to work for days now
https://www.hackster.io/97766/announce-who-is-home-using-facial-recognition-dcc389
@rocky prairie heh. i remember reading that page when i set mine up.
you probably don't want to hear it but I Didn't think it was hard. especially since its packaged in a docker container.
<@&330946878646517761> here too
@wet pilot Taken care of
Anyone thought of a component for fitbark? https://www.fitbark.com/ They have an API: https://www.fitbark.com/dev/
FitBark monitors your dogโs everyday activity & sleep and turns it into actionable behavioral and medical insights. Fitness at both ends of the leash!
You could raise a request in the Feature Requests section of the forum?
I have added some replacment switches to HA and seem to have the old ones still showing on the front end. Do i have to edit the edit json file in home assistant, if so were do I look?
This is the channel for non-HA related chat ๐
The answer will depend on whether you're using states or #frontend-archived
sorry wrong forum
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Happy new year guy's thanks for all your help me and my silly questions.
i wish evereyone a happy new year!
@storm summit would you have time to help me troubleshoot maybe some remote support any help is appreciated
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@rocky prairie sure. what-cha got?
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Welcome to version 2019 @clever mortar ๐
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@storm summit I could share my desktop so you could see what I have in homeassistant and see if I'm missing something or do I voice chat share desktop if you have time
9:21 here
22:30
Lol Anderson Cooper is drunk in NYC
Alright
Time for theorycrafting.
I want to make HA notify me in advance of rain incoming, and I've made a super simple automation
- alias: Rain Notification 0
trigger:
- platform: state
entity_id: sensor.weather_0_condition
to: 'Rain'
- platform: state
entity_id: sensor.weather_0_condition
to: 'Showers'
action:
service: notify.homeassistant
data_template:
title: 'Rain Warning'
message: "It's going to rain today."
Now the conundrum is
This is going to fire off every time yweather changes the state to Rain or Showers.
Is there a way to make automations do like
Once a day?
Oh found a good enough solution using input_boolean
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Hello all ๐ can i ask if someone know if action.devices.types.BLINDS (that is not actually documented by google but work well) and is using open/close would be soon intagrated ?
Happy New Year!
Who else ate waaay to much?
@magic bobcat it's on my list
Bit of a side question regarding fstab if anyone can help. I've setup a nas drive so I can backup my hass config. But Im a bit lost on the fstab line. anyone know how to add a username/password to the line?
So @midnight adder what are you trying to mount, from where, and on what?
You're running Hass.io, or something else, to get Home Assistant?
My Pi to my MyCloud drive: Rasbian stretch.
The MyCloud, does that have NFS? Or is it SMB (Windows)?
nfs. If needs a username for write access (I dont want to make it public) so I need to some how include the nas username as part of the line.
NFS won't need a username for write access, it'll just be mapping the UID and GID
Step 6 of https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/install-nfs-server-and-client-on-debian/ should cover it in some detail
When I try to overwrite old files I get a "Read only file system" error.
192.168.1.100:/home/client1 /mnt/nfs/home/client1 nfs rw,sync,hard,intr 0 0
That's because the UID doesn't match
NFS shares the file system "as is" (mostly), so if your file is owned by UID 101 on the remote system, you need to be UID 101 on the system you mount it to if you want to write to those files
You can work around that in dangerous ways, but it's really to be avoided
how do I get the UID's to match? My HA user is (Homeassistant) where my Nas user is (PersonalName)
On HA do id when you're homeassistant, it'll give you lots of useful info
(just bringing up a shell)
It'll give you the UID of that user
Now if you look at the mounted file system, you can do ls -ln to see the UID and GID
Ideally you want to create a matching user on the NAS, with the same UID and GID, to own that file share
I guess I could create a seperate username for it. I'd had been backing it up to a private share I already had. But I could create a new one.
That's the "right" way
I am NEVER drinking again
Give it a week ๐
Probably until Thursday
Hello guys , can someone suggest some firmware like tasmota with easy gui but for arduino mega with ethernet shield :/ ?
Do not use that unless something "is on fire"!
@royal hatch DO NOT summon mods unless it is am emergency
my bad ! didnt know
Ha dashboard are appdeamon, that belongs in #general-archived
So I'm a newbie to ha / hassio. I built my Pi yesterday and got everything installed and have been playing with the setup today. I've gotten so far as to detecting my iPhone connecting to the wifi and pushing notification about that. I feel like I've accomplished something! Now to start spending money and buying bits and pieces to automate.
Huh, didn't do that to me in Mobile
well thats not from the browser lol
Yeah, ad cancer
but thats what the redirects do and the latter is trying to exploit chrome
Wonder if we can set the bot to restrict image sharing sites
doubt it prolly have to hit up skalavala to implement that
other than a couple of adds, it behaves here ๐คท
@dry cairn looks like your machine is running ad/spyware
Discord autoplays images... wonder how long until we get a virus written specifically for it
lol
k
fwiw that was a caught by my appliance i pipe my customers through
sooo i tend to believe my stuff more then virustotal
Al scans say it was safe. So I'd better check your browser ๐
it wasn t my browser
forums down ?
@cerulean totem yes for me too.
same thing happened last night too... maintenance?
Hard to say, particuarly as it is holiday time. If someone is going to do maintenance, they should put a page that says so.
Sadly this messed the only chance I've had in a while to troubleshoot some project. Without the forums I can't do anything : /
@lyric sage any idea how long they were down last night?
@daring cobalt a few hours at least. I woke up in the morning and all was working again.
I was thinking it was only me
From 22:38 to 03:04 America/new_york
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Correct, this is the nat thingy (NAT loopback/hairpinning), if your router does not support that @novel jacinth it will not work
@light trout Thanks need to check my router. It is a Fritzbox so maybe this will not be possible -.-
But have to try
Fritz!Box routers do support it, at least on some firmwares
I know, I have one ๐
An other possibility will be to have your DNS server resolve your duckdns domain to a local IP
@clever mortar Is it the dns rebind thing in the FritzOs? I have a 6490 cable with latest firmware
Don't know what it's called, let me check, I know on my DSL router it just worked
As that post from them says, I'm not seeing any such option
okay, then I think it is my setup. checking...
So I run Hass.io on my ubuntu machine.
I know I have to remove the ssl stuff in the http component, otherwise home assistant will serve ssl instead the nginx proxy
My home assistant is available through localip:8123
https://subdomain.duckdns.org is not available in the browser. However it resolve to my external IP
When I go to external-IP:443 i see the home assistant webinterface
This is done from my local network
When I try to get https://subdomain.duckdns.org/ via my cellular connectoin it wont get me home assistant.
Is this still the nat problem?
depends on your server config in nginx
If it doesn't work from mobile, then it's not NAT reflection
If it works as https://external-ip:443/ from inside your network then NAT reflection is working ๐
https://external-ip:443 gets me to my log in screen for home assistant
Then NAT reflection is working
what is the nginx config?
@proven spruce I am using the nginx proxy add on for hass.io and just added my subdomain.duckdns.org
but i can exec into the docker container and have a look
what do you get when you do subdomain.duckdns.org:443
also did you port forward 443 to your hass ip in the router?
first my config:
https://hastebin.com/zavoqifuga.pl
"server_name mydomain.duckdns.org;" mydomain should be your subdomain name
yeah, I did replace it for the hastebin
it looks on nginx side
calls to :80 port are pushed to :443 and / is the directory that sends you to hass ip
I think I have to check my forwarding. I did come from a setup with duckdns where I did not had port 8123 like i have now for the local network
now its a question whether you can access ports 80 and 443 from outside your network
probably port forwarding issue
On it. Thanks for the directions!
https://hackertarget.com/nmap-online-port-scanner/ test your duckdns with this
I think the problem is now me and that user interface to configure the ports.
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from what i saw of those fritzboxes the problem is them mostly
yeah, they have build in german angst
I've had no issues with mine, and it's way better than the Thompson POS that I had before it
Yeah I like them too, I know that I am failing now :D
But nmap says 443/tcp open https
And if I connect to my-external-ip:443 it works
Stell on mydomain.duckdns.org it does not work
ooh don't get me started on thompson/technicolor
is your duckdns regularly updated with your current ip?
yeah, dyndns is configured and works. Just checked IP to be safe and it is the same
maybe it is my http component setup: https://hastebin.com/equpakozas.php
I am not sure about 127.0.0.1 as trusted proxy though
thats fine since nginx is the proxy and its on localserver
umm no
you forward 443 to 443
then nginx does the rest of the forwarding
since it listens to :80 and :443
you are totally right!
Like every time. When you do it right it just works ๐
@proven spruce Thank you for spotting the obvious to me dummy
yeah but its easy to get lost in all the configs
trust me i went throught the same ordeal when setting up my stuff
after 2 hours of searching for a solution in the end i forgot to save port forwarding config in my router
yeah. It is mosty that. At work we have a dns provider where you have to save twice to get the change done.
it is almost daily that someone says dns is not working... -.-
now I need to test if everything is working like before, before she comes back.
I bet google assistant will do something to me
Hey all. Newbie to HA, and building up a list of questions...
but first a discord related one. The welcome bot message refers to a channel that doesn't seem to exist, so maybe that message needs updating?
"Head over to #deleted-channel channel and run the command ~help to get started."
The home assistant updater is collecting some data from the system, at least on hass.io.
Is it possible to see what people are using regarding the hardware?
@light trout
The welcome message on discord seems to be not broken outdated as @edgy pilot dicovered
not broken, just outdated
@proven spruce and @clever mortar Thanks again for helping with the nginx proxy. My isp killed my internet connection a few minutes ago but I still can access ha locally. Close one.
Ouch
Hi everyone
I have made a guide to explain how to get a proper Hassio install done on Debian 9.6
Can someone check it out and give some feedback?
If it's going the right direction I'll continue making it.
You should ask in #330990055533576204 - but there are already scripts in the pinned messages there to do that for you, so you may find that the problem is solved for you ๐
Thx @clever mortar, pinned messages are nice, but not the right way to document things. That however is again a point of view
(It's based on what Frenck did of course)
Not ideal I agree, but ๐คท Discord ain't a documentation method ๐
I've spent a bit of time googling and seen a few ideas for this, but does anyone know of the easiest method i could deploy with hass to get alexa to be able to say, switch to the apple TV or change tv volume (lg webos 3.0)
i can say increase the volume, and it will only support increment of 1
good morning, afternoon, and evening to all.
here
Hey
So back to the soho talk: cisco meraki is basically coming down from the big iron enterprise world into smaller offerings and they basically support every protocol under the sun, UBNT on the other hand is still sorely lacking basic features in their network stack. Pretty good now on the wifi-side though
Listen, I'm an Enterprise Architect specialized in Infra. I basicly predict together with UBNT, Cisco, Alcatel, HPe, HP, Microsoft, MicroFocus, Oracle... the future
If ubnt had some more powerful firewalls and basic l3 features they'd absolutely kill in this space
I know it looks strange, but Cisco has already dropped Linksys once, came back because the market reacted stragely, and they'll do it again
All boils down it the traditional networking will continue as we know it, or that we will not fully move into L7 FW
And nobody knows
IP in it's current form starts to cost too much money energy wise, its so badly designed, it will not to make place for something better
I don't see cisco moving into the same price bracket as ubnt.
not cisco, but meraki
As long as meraki requires the subscription they can gift their hardware for what I care
they still have linksys and that's the bottom of all bottoms in wifi today, it's ok if you are on the main AP, but don't start messing or everyting fails
I'm not going to move my control plane out to somebody else's cloud
Linksys is now belkin
depends on the situation
at home, I fully agree, it's not the way forward
in my region still branded as Linksys
belkin are the accessories
same bunch
The network stuff is going the way of the dodo anyways. It's been moving towards whitebox oem faster than I would have believed if I'd known.
I don't get your IP and energy comment
Ok, let me explain
Some companies, big ass datancenters change their cabling from cat 6 to 7A
that for a small gain in less power consomption
estimated at about 2wh/connection
*100k connections, that's a shitload of power
got that?
What if you can get even more out of that gain?
TCP/IP is only functional up to 40% of it's rated capacity of the hardware layer
So a saturated link = 40% use
Where do you get that number?
the rest is chitchat, overhead, confirmatimation, pingpong, retransmit etc
what nยฐ?
The 40%
Yes
that's a fact, that IP 1-0-1
Lan connection, not WAN link speed!
A 100Mb link can only support 40Mb packets
rest is header info, hash, confirmation etc
and that's a very highly loaded link
GO above and you will spiral down, because of drops in queues and even more retransmits
Other protocols, like FC have a throughtput of 80%
Anyone have experience with Phoniebox or similar projects? Basically an RFID/NFC reader triggered music player for Raspbian. The project is based on USB readers, and I have an Adafruit breakout board. I just cannot get it to work, and really want to finish this project for my daughter. I don't know any coding at all, but I believe it is something in the Python scripts that needs to be adjusted for looking at my GPIO UART instead of USB. I'll even drop a symbolic donation for anyone that can help me out!
except, they are small based
So you're trying to tell me my 100mbit connection will only move 40mbit?
LAN, not WAN
Lets just say there is no difference and assume we are talking ethernet
File of a size 40 will need a size 100 to get thru, the rest are cops, checkpoint, paperwork, and mistakes
I think you might be a bit mistaken about how this stuff works. Sorry I'm not an enterprise architect, I'm just a lowly ops person and my networks run at something like 97-99% utilization when put to the test. And no-one uses cat7 in datacenters.
(Updated 9/30/09) For a while I've been loosely tracking TCP/IP performance information. I'd like to share some information about this area. I claim some insight but freely admit I'm still learning. Motivation: It seems like over the last two years, a number of application WA...
Read this
It's all fibre, dac or cheap-ass patch
LANmark-7A 1600 S/FTP Dual AWG22 Cat 7A 1600MHz LSZH Dca s2 d1 a1 Orange 500m reel
That's my company
It's not all fiber
It's 50/50
and fiber doesn't go above 40G, so ... serious?
Why would fibre not go above 40g?
time needed between the signals and the time to decode them is too small
You need duplexing of multiple Fibers to be able to do that, but that's nothing more then a trick
Looking forward to 50g landing in SR.
Of course I havenโt deployed anything 25g so ...
http://www.siemon.com/uk/white_papers/09-06-18-data-center-point-to-point-vs-structured-cabling.asp - no paper from us, but nice to know
nice
@languid sphinx nice
Somehow they must have missed your lessons at the DC colo we have our gear at.
A business friend - Saudie Arabia
They have very little copper and mostly glass... and somehow they put 100g or more on a single fibre....
25 and 40 G in copper for DC
Show me a nic please....
๐ I can send you a piece of cable and/or a connector
Cables are nice and everything but copper takes more power than fibre optics in a DC, it is worse to handle in a full rack and I doubt it would even be cost effective.
To me it seems like a solution looking for a problem
If you like to know the numbers, I can ask them
I just know some big DC's upgraded their LAN cabling just for a 2w gain
And that's enormous, looking at the cost to do the cabling
anyway, got to go to sleep
L8ter
forum down again ?
@cerulean totem I was wondering the same thing as it's not working for me either. So I would say yes.
I was just about to post about this
yes sir
anything we can do to help ?
cross your fingers
something broke ? lol
someone plug the toaster back in ๐
they been going up and down....guessing server load
Money ?
they correct people have been notified
Or unplug the server to vacuum
I see you updated you pic , Looks nice
me?
yeah, i haven't been on in a while
Forums down again for the second consecutive night
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Maybe they're running the forum software on a raspberry pi as well...
Hi. Im having problems getting the community forums to come up. I just get a blank page. That the case for anyone else?
No worries
Anyone have a uniview (UNV) NVR security camera set up? The cameras I can get into home assistant fine but I was wondering if anyone has managed to get the motion detection from the NVR into HA? I've had a look at docs but can't figure it out
are the forums down?
yes
ah i read up thanks
Anyone see that the Xiaomi Gateway now supports Ikea devices?
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That role no longer exists.
Is there a way to open a URL without any browser popping up? Some sort of script or command line command? I'm on Windows if that makes a difference
What are you trying to do?
There are many command line clients that might work, but it depends on what you're after
control kodi through the web interface to go to a specific channel. There might be some other way to do that as well but not sure how all of it works ๐
with the URL I'm able to change it but I don't know how to stop it from opening the browser
Do you want to control it with Home Assistant?
not needed
there is always curl even for windows
it's just a few favorite channels on my Harmony remote that I need to send to Kodi
Yup, curl, wget and so on
thanks, now I just have to figure out what it is and what it does ๐
how does you harmony make a webrequst? Do not know this devices
harmony command is sent to EventGhost which then can run stuff
so you map a key from the harmony to a function for eventghost and this can do what you want
that's the idea yes
but got stuck on how to get eventghost to open the url without the browser popping up
How does event ghost do that what you already accomplished?
eventghost is sort of like tasker is for Android. It has plugins that allow you to do certain if-this-then-that type of functions. I have a MCE Remote receiver connected on my PC with a plugin running for it on EG and then some random remote controller set for Harmony remote to send commands to it
I think it's some Sony DVD player remote or something. I set it up like 15 years ago. Has enough buttons to do stuff
when you already can send a webrequest there may be an option to do it without any output.
Otherwise I see they have python scripting and I bet there is a possibilty to make a webrequest with python ๐
But this is something you have to figure out. I do not know enough python.
I couldn't find a way to directly send a webrequest within eventghost, but instead I can run like python scripts etc to do it
looks like curl might do the trick, thanks!
@tough igloo Do you have a link on that Ikea devices on a Xiaomi gateway?
Responding to myself, the link is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/tradfri/comments/absgwe/xiaomi_supports_tradfri_more_to_come/
Hey all, spent some time over the holidays playing with a new toy (nuc). Was able to load up Ubuntu server, docker, hass, plus a number of other things to migrate my home lab setup from an old pe910. Thanks to you all setup was a breeze, and my electricity bill will be considerably less scary. Cheers!
So i was watching Linus' 10gbit prepration video, the amount of shills bashing PFSense in the comments was astounding, Just going to share the reddit comment i made as i dont want to type it out again https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/ablcv4/preparing_for_10_gigabit_internet_what_could_go/ed5k7of/
Anyone having cheap suggestions for good office chairs
Depends on where you are in the world, but some of the Ikea chairs are highly rated
Markus is the one that got lots of good reviews
Not cheap cheap, but lots cheaper than those it was compared to
I have one that's easily 5 years old, probably closer to 7, and it's still going strong
is it comfy tho
Yes
Not as comfy as https://www.hermanmiller.com/en_gb/products/seating/office-chairs/aeron-chairs/, but a fraction of the price and I can sit in it for longer than is healthy without issue
I have a steelcase leap at work. Also very nice. Also way more than I'd spend for at home.
And only ยฃ700 cheaper ๐
At home I have an Ikea Ektorp heh
I'd have an Aeron or Steelcase if I could afford it for home use, but the Ikea is quite comfy
Imma take a look at it tomorrow at my local ikea, thanks mate
NP
Well, I have 90% of the parts for the new volumio / pi-zero DAC which will drive the whole house speakers (other than the master bedroom which has it's own Pi3-Amp Hat running it). All I need now ... is the actual Pi Zero WH sigh.
But once that is here, Alexa gets the boot from driving the house speakers and I can use node-red to issue verbal commands to every room in the house. My wife will be so pleased with this development ๐
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hey all, ive just flashed tasmota onto a sonof basic to use for a table lamp....opened up the outer sheaf of the lamp plug wire and i dont see an earth cable...im in the UK so expected to see live, nuetral and earth, all i see is black and blue....safe to use, fused plug with a 3A fuse
~crosspost @midnight adder
@midnight adder Please DO NOT cross post. Read the channel description, post it and wait for folks to respond.
And, read the channel topic
Well, you asked in #diy-archived then cross posted a minute later
If you'd waited a few hours, I could have understood, but ...
yeah, apologies for that, didnt realise x-posting was not allowed
Also, lots of the Sonoff devices don't support earth
https://sonoff.itead.cc/en/products/sonoff/sonoff-basic makes it pretty clear there's no earth
the basic doesnt, but as im in the uk ive never seen an appliance with no earth cable....i guess blue is live?
It would appear to have L and N on the cover according to the pictures on their site
yeah youre right @clever mortar , i was simply going to have the earth bypass the sonoff, guess i dont need too.
Depends on what you're connecting it to really
Some devices are double insulated and don't require earth, others aren't and do
looks like its a dark brown + blue, with live being brown, neutral blue
its a bedside table lamp
nice link @clever mortar thanks