the-water-cooler

[zinc helm]

thanks still moving/copying things from one env to another

I think I messed up my initial install and nested home assistant folders so trying to work through that now

almost there- this is confusing me since I didn't use same directory structure

mv /srv/homeassistant/homeassistant_venv /srv/homeassistant/homeassistant_venv_3.4

what's the 3.4? I created a 3.6... is it a typo?

[light trout]

nope, that is so you easily can find it if you ned to revert to the venv using 3.4

[zinc helm]

ok I get it... so I skipped that step for now since I didn't have the same directory structure, so I just manually started the service from the 3.6 environment that I just installed (/home/ubuntu/homeassistant/homeassistant_venv_3.6)

and everything started fine... (YAY)

how do I make sure that this is the environment that's going to autostart when I reboot vs the old python environment (/home/ubuntu/homeassistant)

[light trout]

update your service file

[hearty depot]

@light trout You created this awesome Cloudflare component - is it possible to aktivate/deaktivate the DNS/http proxy with a service call?

Would be a nice toutch for PiVPN

• deaktivate Proxy
• connect to your IP
• Reaktivate the http Proxy

[light trout]

Currently no

[hearty depot]

Thourht so - But you cant be shure when you dont ask 😄

but.. currently 😉

[light trout]

yup :)
https://community.home-assistant.io/c/feature-requests add it here if it's something you would like to see 😃

[hearty depot]

The infinite list 🤣

[zinc helm]

@light trout @clever mortar thanks so much for your help! Finally upgraded!

[mighty summit]

it's gotten to the point where the girlfriend can no longer bring home Xmas blinkenlights without me checking out if i should add mqtt & HA-ize the demm lights.

😵

[vale shale]

@narrow ridge are you into FPV drones?

[narrow ridge]

@vale shale What makes you think that? 😉

[vale shale]

Just a random guess...

[narrow ridge]

lol

[last plaza]

FPV?

[narrow ridge]

Yeah i have a few drones

[vale shale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SldJIisWFmE&t=197s @last plaza

[narrow ridge]

FPV = First Person View

[vale shale]

that video is the best way that I can explain it

[last plaza]

@vale shale that's cooool! Is that you?

[vale shale]

No. I wish it was

[last plaza]

lol

@narrow ridge I wasn't asking what FPV means - I was suggesting that's how @vale shale guessed you are into drones - since you asked him...

[narrow ridge]

oh ok

[last plaza]

I have a couple of drones myself, but not a pro

[vale shale]

@last plaza didn't you say you had a Mavik?

[last plaza]

yes, I do... Mavic Pro

not into custom - some people go crazy with custom and racing stuff... 😃

[narrow ridge]

I'm doing freestyle only. No racing at all

[vale shale]

Lol that those people would be me!

[narrow ridge]

Building my own

[vale shale]

Did you choose your own parts or follow another build?

[narrow ridge]

I choose the parts i want

[vale shale]

What FC?

[narrow ridge]

DYS F4's on all but one that has some F3 clone fc

[vale shale]

I use KISS but I am trying Betaflight stuff. Didn't start off well, ESC caught on fire and burned part of the quad. I am pretty sure it was an Aikon Wriath ESC.

[narrow ridge]

ouch, that sucks. I've not burned anything... yet

[vale shale]

Yep, it just adds to the fun and makes a good story to tell people.

[narrow ridge]

lol, true... but gets expensive fast

[vale shale]

Learned that too. I started off with Tiny Whoops. Then went to the bigger scale. The goggles are especially expensive!

What backpack do you use?

[narrow ridge]

Just a random one i had lying around. But i want one of those lowepro BP-X3's

[vale shale]

Same here. Looking at some other options that would work better.

[narrow ridge]

I really whould fix my taranis. It has a broken trim switch... So everytime i fly i accidentally hit it and it trims one way but can't trim back.

So i have to land and fiddle around in the menus to reset it :/

should fix*

[vale shale]

That would be really painful. Glad to see another OpenTX guy around. I recently followed Steele's video for airmode. Now I feel safer around my drones when they are plugged in.

[narrow ridge]

airmode has been around for years though... at least on betafilght

[vale shale]

Sorry I mean Idle up switch.

Need another coffee

[narrow ridge]

😄

I need breakfast... it's 7pm here...

[vale shale]

I'm in North America. 12pm here. What part of the world are you in?

[narrow ridge]

EU, Sweden here

[vale shale]

Oh ok.

[narrow ridge]

bbl, feeding time now

[vale shale]

👋

[primal bone]

Just joining HomeAssistant discord, first reading about drones. Seems I came to the right discord channel. :p

Flashing butterflight and Tasmota seems rather similar indeed. 😃

[clever mortar]

👋

[fiery forge]

@slim vortex Hey, just wanted to say thanks for videos and the links to all this stuff. Actually found a way to interact with my 14 yo daughter thanks to these home automation projects. Now she wants me to shave my head also!

[slim vortex]

sweet!

what project did she like?

funny enough it was my 12yr old girl that said "we need pink lights for Valentine's Day" that got this whole thing started for me too.

[cinder wagon]

Been looking at the zooz switches. Does anyone know if they will work with florescent lights?

The long florescent lights

[wet pilot]

If it's an on/off, yes! If it's a dimmer, depends on the bulb and ballast

[fiery forge]

@slim vortex She wanted to be able to turn her ceiling light off while in bed, and considering that this is Mexico, and all the walls are concrete I wasn´t about to fork up the cash for a contractor to do that, so I told her to figure out a way to do it and gave her a budget of $1,000 pesos (about $50 US) to get it done. Now we´ve done that, putting the water pump on a timer and automated the sprinkler system.

Yesterday I ordered a RPi3B+ to install home assistant and came here for help.

[slim vortex]

awesome!

where in Mexico are you?

[fiery forge]

Next project is turning on the garage lights when the garage opens.

[slim vortex]

I lived in and around Monterrey 20 yrs ago

[fiery forge]

Mexico City

[slim vortex]

been there a couple times

mostly just the airport though

[fiery forge]

Yeah, a lot of my friends say the same.

I actually greww up and went to school in the States.

St. Pete, FL and Atlanta

THey only show up when we go to acapulco or cancun...

[slim vortex]

never been to the touristy places

went back to Monterrey a couple times

[fiery forge]

That´s a youtube video waiting to happen!

[slim vortex]

and do Manzanillo

heck ya!

[fiery forge]

We´ll automate margarita dispensers...

[slim vortex]

let's Automate Cancun!

[fiery forge]

Well, in any case thanks for the info and all the videos, and for the little bonding time with my kid.

[jagged mantle]

i got and old super slow android tablet laying around, is it possible to make it run as an interface for hass with all resources dedicated to that?

[clever mortar]

Depends

If you want to use Lovelace, probably not

[jagged mantle]

why not?

[clever mortar]

If you want to use something else - depends on what it requires

Because the version of webkit is too old

[jagged mantle]

i can install some other os if that helps

[clever mortar]

Key thing is to look at what the requirements are for the interface you want to use, and then work out if your device can support that

[jagged mantle]

i would like to just use lovelace and nothing more on the tablet

[clever mortar]

Then check in #frontend-archived what the oldest supported version of Webkit is

[jagged mantle]

there is probably some ultra lightweight OS i can run on it beacuse right now it takes like 5 seconds to switch page on hass

[clever mortar]

The age of the hardware probably has a lot to do with it, if it takes 5 seconds on it currently, then it's unlikely you'll get it down much below half of that

[jagged mantle]

it should work if all it was running was lovelace with nothing else in the background

[light trout]

If you rip out all unnecessary items in a old broken car, it's still an old broken car

[mighty summit]

you would need to flash the lightest possible alternative rom on it, with root, and then disable every background service.

[clever mortar]

And even then, if you get page switch times below 2 seconds I'd be shocked

[mighty summit]

better off keeping eyes peeled for a discounted amazon fire tablet or somesuch...

50€ should do it

[clever mortar]

You'd still have to root and flash those I think?

[jagged mantle]

its still 50$

[mighty summit]

such negativity

😋

[jagged mantle]

i have like 0$ beacuse i just brought a 1060

so want to do it as cheap as possible

[mighty summit]

0$ will mean 5secs wait time.

[clever mortar]

Cheap/Good - pick one 😉

[jagged mantle]

im not looking for something good jsut something that isnt half dead

[mighty summit]

which tablet is in question , exactly ?

[jagged mantle]

some tablet from netonnet ( a swedish store) its their own so its like the cheapest unbranded they found and then they branded it

[mighty summit]

oh 🦌

i wouold have a look on the xda forums if there's a way to root it, or even if there's a ROM for it.

if not...you're stuck

stuck with the 5s

[jagged mantle]

i just killed everything on the tablet besides the hass interface and ill se how it goes

it sortof works, extremly faster but still a bit slow

[cosmic swift]

Anyone have any recommendations for tablets to use as an on wall dashboard? I would look at firetabs but I want to be able to sleep and wake the display.

[clever mortar]

As mentioned above, the first thing to consider is what you'll be using for the display, Lovelace, HA Dashboard, etc etc

That defines the minimum (oldest) Webkit version

[cosmic swift]

Lovelace

Planned on using fully kiosk

If that is an option

[clever mortar]

Then you need something pretty current, the folks in #frontend-archived will tell you more

[amber bramble]

Yeah. Firetabs are decent for the price if you can get them on sale but the outdated web view doesn’t work with most of Lovelace

[novel jacinth]

@cosmic swift I am thinking to get a one of these:
https://www.raspad.com/

Little expensive, but if you put in a raspberry pi it should live longer than a fire tablet

[barren hound]

at that price, you could probably get some older ipads

or the samsung galaxy tab

or if you just want a touchscreen for the rpi, ther are 7 and 10 inch touchscreens for <$125

[novel jacinth]

yeah, I do not want to have tablet, because the software will get old pretty quick.
A linux device like a raspberry pi will be supported much longer

[midnight adder]

Should this not be called something less generic?

[wet pilot]

?

[tender owl]

Just curious, how do you secure any remote ssh access to your systems? Up until now I haven't let my home firewall open for ssh, but on my last trip something went wrong with hass and I couldn't ssh in. I'd love to figure out a simple/secure way to let me in

[vale shale]

@tender owl Using a VPN is the safest way I know. I have been using it because I really don't like opening ports in the firewall.

[tough igloo]

Anyone using Phlex in docker on Ubuntu? Installed the docker image as per Phlex GitHub and Portainer says it’s running but can’t get on to the web UI, logs aren’t saying much, but I don’t know docker well. Not much on google about it specifically

[gaunt whale]

ALERT! Sorry to but in guys. https://community.home-assistant.io/t/alert-harmony-hub-firmware-v4-15-206-breaks-removes-local-network-control/85334?u=msauto

[merry spire]

is there some maintenance work in progress on the HA website? struggle to load it from germany atm

[mighty summit]

nope, it's just you.

[merry spire]

true. is back to nomal.

[uneven cobalt]

@gaunt whale My hubs upgraded and our now useless. I am going to need to try downgrading

[shy comet]

@uneven cobalt so harmony actually did kill the hubs? thats depressing

i was hoping it would be an isolated case, hopefully thye will revert that change, although downgrading seemed to be feasible

[uneven cobalt]

Yes they blocked local access to port 5222 on the latest version

Their release notes state "security updates" so I guess it would fall under that...

@shy comet Here is a thread on logitechs forum. I also have a support call in that will likely go nowhere. https://community.logitech.com/s/question/0D55A00008D1oIoSAJ/firmware-update-blocked-api-access

[still sundial]

so frustrated at logitech right now

and the HA log reminds me every 3 mins how stupid they are

[light trout]

Even when it's broken there is a "notification" automation. 😅

[shy comet]

looks like they just acknowledged the thread and are going to get an answre to us

[light trout]

That sounds bad, if it was a mistake they should tell that, since they are taking some time, they are probably crafting an answer defending their decision to block it

[shy comet]

💯

[uneven cobalt]

It was no mistake. Their mistake was not realising how many people use XMPP integration. I have no confidence that this is going to get reversed because that is typical logitech

[still sundial]

not holding my breath that it will be positive. HASS can control all my IP hardware; i've only got 2 IR devices left in my entertainment center. considering my options...

[languid sphinx]

I use a broadlink bean, but I basically run it like you'd run a harmony hub. It's blocked from the internet completely and controlled through home assistant

I'll never buy a harmony remote again though. I really like their M705 mice which is a problem. I like to stop supporting companies that do dumb things yet I've never found a good replacement for this mouse. I have two sitting next to me and five in the house I think

[clever mortar]

Yeah, I love their mice/trackballs, but after they bought Squeezebox and killed the product line...

[languid sphinx]

A lot of their current product line seems to be "let's throw stuff out and see what sticks". They have things they are pretty good at and then things which they seem to be just copying others.

There was a time when the harmony was the "best remote" but with CEC and RF remotes for set boxes, that seems to have drifted quite a bit. We have older TVs which still do IR and have spotty CEC support. But the bean downstairs and the one I'm getting for Christmas for upstairs should address that.

Or the wife could get me the 65" 4K HDR Buzzword+++ TV I want for Christmas. That'd work too

[still sundial]

ok, someone found this: https://github.com/jlynch630/Harmony.NET

websocket example code for Harmony Hub

[sleek void]

actully cheaper

[dull chasm]

@sleek void please use <> to surrond your links so that they dont auto expand

[sleek void]

sorry

ill erase

[dull chasm]

no problem and no reason to be sorry just saves room on page especially for mobile users

😂

[stable sluice]

hey <@&330946878646517761> can someone lmk when the fix comes out for 1.5.0 (i think)

[dull chasm]

@stable sluice that is not a very good idea ...you just hit every mod......

[stable sluice]

sorry @dull chasm is there another way you would recommend ?

[dull chasm]

wait and be patient and watch for the update that you are looking for

[stable sluice]

ok is it possible we can vc for a sec

[dull chasm]

i am watching football and drinking beer ...so prolly not a good idea

[stable sluice]

lol

i will try to explain as best i can... i want to use hassio for a home automation system... how close in functionality is it to hassbian?

[dull chasm]

home assistant is under the hood of both..... hassio is designed for the novice ..... hassibien is for the guy that wants to get under the hood

[stable sluice]

ok so hassio is the starter version?

[dull chasm]

well i would be shot if i said it that way.....but yes

[stable sluice]

by "starter version " i meant easier to use...

[dull chasm]

yes its easier

[vale shale]

@stable sluice To be honest, I would recommend starting off in hassbian or docker. It forced me to learn way more stuff.

[last plaza]

@stable sluice Please don't tag Mods unless it is an emergency

[dull chasm]

@last plaza i toke care of it

[last plaza]

You need to keep an eye on the issue log if you need to know about the progress - no one will notify you personally

[stable sluice]

thanks

@vale shale where do i get docker for raspi?

[vale shale]

Google?

~lmgtfy docker raspberry pi

[velvet horizon]

:point_up:

Let me Google that for you...

Here, try this => http://lmgtfy.com/?q=docker+raspberry+pi

[dull chasm]

i no doie docker

[stable sluice]

i mighta found it... i'm dumb 😠

[vale shale]

I wouldn't recommend docker for raspberry pi... I tried it and it was disastrous. I run it on a centos Netgate SG 2440 and it works fine.

[midnight adder]

@green inlet

[kind flare]

hello there

is anyone around

[vale shale]

Yes

[stable sluice]

odd question for the jedi and mods... how do i become a padawan?

[wet pilot]

Mainly be active and helpful

[stable sluice]

ok thank you....

XD

[surreal smelt]

hihi

is this thing on

[stable sluice]

thats a big 10-4 good buddy

lol

[surreal smelt]

roger that my dude

[stable sluice]

lol

[wet pilot]

<syn-ack>

[surreal smelt]

I come bearing some potentially (likely) silly questions.

[stable sluice]

like?

[surreal smelt]

I can figure out all the tech stuff I'm sure, but really I find myself daydreaming about the logistics involved with getting into the smart home field.

Example: My house is predominantly lit via floor lamps tied to lightswitches as I have no overhead lighting except bathrooms and kitchen.

Something tells me if I kill the lights via homeassistant at night and my wife wakes up throwing switches and nothing happening she may get a wee bit upset (and likely at me)

Do you folks find it a common practice to set up some sort of a central laptop/tablet to run these controls in those situations?

[wet pilot]

Smart switches!

[surreal smelt]

smart switches...

pardon, I must google quick

[wet pilot]

Looks and acts like a switch but can be controlled by software

[surreal smelt]

oh dear

sounds delicious

[wet pilot]

Keeps the WAF high

[surreal smelt]

is about $50/per the going rate or is Home Depot giving me a hilarious upcharge?

[wet pilot]

Depends on the protocol

Closer to 38-45 on Amazon for the ge z-wave models I selected

On/off are cheaper than dimmers

[surreal smelt]

I heard good things about z-wave. It felt like a pretty safe one to go with in terms of price/availability/extensibility.

would you agree?

and yeah on/off would be my target.

[wet pilot]

That's why I picked it. High compatibility, not on 2.4ghz, not directly on the network

[surreal smelt]

hm, very nice

well that alone knocks out the majority of areas I had questions

I'm a little curious about some specifics of homeassistant in particular.

[wet pilot]

Shoot

[surreal smelt]

I admittedly haven't had the opportunity to fire it up yet... busy schedule and I find myself just reading about it on my lunch break at work... the server is mostly Linux focused, is that right?

[wet pilot]

It can run on anything that supports python 3.5.3+

But you'll have a better time with Linux or docker

[surreal smelt]

Is there a need for a GUI I'm not aware of or can I throw it on a server install of Ubuntu with CLI only?

need for a desktop GUI, that is

[wet pilot]

No need for a gui

[surreal smelt]

Does the web UI come with SSL enabled or do I need to facilitate some apache/nginx fancy work to do that?

[wet pilot]

Http out of the box, supports https if you provide your own certs (self signed or otherwise)

I chose to use an nginx reverse proxy thoiy

[surreal smelt]

yeah I'd prob self sign for something like this.

[wet pilot]

Though

[surreal smelt]

I have a Linux server at home running a few VMs via libvirt/kvm, so I figured I could just spin up another ubuntu server VM and throw homeassistant there.

[wet pilot]

Definitely doable

[surreal smelt]

one of my VMs is a web server running apache and ddns where my domain routes. I got to wondering if I could leverage that for hitting home from the outside.

[wet pilot]

Definitely

[surreal smelt]

I could leverage openVPN for that but that's an added step for wife if I could skip that and just hit the domain straight on it'd be super nice, though I wouldn't dream of that without SSL in some capacity

[wet pilot]

Via reverse proxy

Many of us use let's encrypt for certs

[surreal smelt]

yeah, I haven't gone that route yet admittedly.

I just get my certs through where I have my DDNS/domain set up. It's cheap and I'm lazy, so... 😛

[wet pilot]

I go let's encrypt + duck dns

[surreal smelt]

is there a baseline system requirement spec for a VM with a few smart devices?

1 CPU/2GB enough?

[wet pilot]

Well, many people run it on a raspi so do with that as you will

[surreal smelt]

ah, perfect.

well, that whole smart switch thing kind of annihilated most of my area of curiosity, so... that's about all I had then.

I guess the trick is to lump in switches with any rooms I plan to flip to be smart controlled

unless I want to get slapped around by my other half for creating a headache

[wet pilot]

Haha pretty much. I've been going a room at a time

[surreal smelt]

I assume I can rig up different profiles in the app/web UI? As in, "emergency mode -- activate all lights in house by clicking one button"

[wet pilot]

Possible but depends on the hardware you have

[surreal smelt]

is that where sticking with z-wave exclusively may save me some frustration?

[wet pilot]

The automation in HA is pretty much "you can do almost anything when anything happens"

Eh, it still depends

Z-wave can make that a bit harder in some ways to be honest

But, thsoe GE z-wave switches support "double-tap" events and you can key off of those to do different things

Example, a room with 2 dimmers, double tapping "off" will turn them both off

[surreal smelt]

fancy

[wet pilot]

But you can go super deep down the rabbit hole

[surreal smelt]

yeah, that's what I'm gathering.

kind of impressed I showed restraint with buying anything so far...

[wet pilot]

Haha

[surreal smelt]

normally I buy a bunch of crap first and ask logical questions later

[wet pilot]

Definitely research zigbee vs z-wave vs WiFi

[surreal smelt]

but given the prices I can see some costly mistakes being made if I didn't do some recon first

[wet pilot]

They each have their pluses and minuses

[surreal smelt]

I guess I have the ability to mix and match different things as different needs across the rooms come up, yes?

[wet pilot]

It depends a bit. Z-wave and zigbee both require some sort of controller

A combo device exists though

[surreal smelt]

a 'hub' beyond the server VM itself?

[wet pilot]

It can be a USB dongle (mine is)

[surreal smelt]

I think the one thing I want to be careful of is I personally am not too enthused by going the route of the echo or anything that requires WAN connectivity to function...

[wet pilot]

Usually, you'll end up picking a technology and stick with it. But mixing in some WiFi stuff wouldn't be unheard of

Ha can integrate with Alexa/Google Assistant/homekit

[surreal smelt]

I'm alright with opening up access to authenticated accounts for myself and my wife but I don't want to be hostage to WAN for the thing even responding.

[wet pilot]

Yep, totally get it

[surreal smelt]

if echo did local processing and I could firewall the snot out of it to block it from WAN I may have considered it, but meh. No dice for this guy.

[wet pilot]

Ha will still manage and control everything, but you can exposed out the devices to those third parties if you choose to

There is a project out there that tries to do that

I forget the name though

[surreal smelt]

local echo-style functions?

[wet pilot]

Yup

[surreal smelt]

are you thinking of Mycroft? (sp?)

[wet pilot]

That sounds familiar so probably

[surreal smelt]

hm, well, definitely have some more recon to do, but this gives me a solid kick start.

thanks for being awesome @wet pilot

[wet pilot]

Any time! Feel free to chat here, we're mostly friendly

Also check out the subreddit and forum

[surreal smelt]

I did check out the subreddit, which actually lead me to discord. 😄

[wet pilot]

And if you're code friendly, the project is open source and lives on github

[surreal smelt]

music to my ears 😃

[wet pilot]

Contributions always welcome

~issues

[velvet horizon]

Want to see what issues are open (or were open and are now closed)?

Check https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant/issues for the backend, https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant-polymer/issues for the UI, and https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant.github.io/issues for the documentation.

[surreal smelt]

very fancy

[wet pilot]

One of the top 10 fastest growing projects on GitHub apparently

[surreal smelt]

alright well I'll resume the recon tomorrow. I've succeeded at failing to be an adult and stayed up way past my bed time.

[wet pilot]

Lol have a good night!

[surreal smelt]

you too. thanks again. 😄

[wet pilot]

Anytime

[reef rune]

Good morning everyone. I'm new here.

I've got my Google Home Mini yesterday, it's my first Smart Speaker. In my opinion this is the most fun/usefull speaker I've ever bought.

I'm just able to wake up with Radio, News, Weather, Traffic Information, etc.

[wet pilot]

It's a good gateway device

[light trout]

When you get more of them you can set up a speaker group to uva them play the same thing throughout the house 😃

[reef rune]

Jup!

Right now my dad doesn't want one, my mom and sister aren't interested at all so I'll have to prove my dad that it's usefull.

Especially with the LG Smart TV we got.

Till then, I'll save up for some Yee-Lights and a Chromecast and maybe some other Smart Home Devices.

[midnight adder]

?rank other

[slim rampart]

@midnight adder, you joined Other.

[reef rune]

?rank Google

[slim rampart]

That rank doesn't exist.

[uneven cobalt]

If any fellow Canadians are looking for some z-wave dimmers or on/off switches these are a really good price. https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01N235ROS/?th=1

[wary mortar]

anyone taken a stab at rooting or otherwise allowing control of these? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MZEEFNX/

[dire galleon]

Anyone else having issues deleting files from their GitHub repository? I cannot seem to delete an entire file, I get stuck on the commit change screen, the commit button does nothing.

[wet pilot]

close the repo, make and commit the changes, push

[light trout]

I had that issue earlier today @dire galleon went to grab a cup of coffee after that it worked 🤷

[dire galleon]

@light trout Looks like its time for some coffee!

[wintry crow]

I need to stop feeding my dog beans. Her farts are rancid...

[reef rune]

Good morning everyone

[wet pilot]

<timezone offset greeting>

[reef rune]

😂

7:29 AM here

[wet pilot]

0130 here

[reef rune]

Ooh well that's 7 hours

[wet pilot]

So you're east of GMT... Germany?

[reef rune]

The Netherlands

[wet pilot]

Lol way off

[reef rune]

😄

I love it how I wake up with a song, the news, traffic information and weather and then just radio

All because of this Google Home Mini

[wet pilot]

They're pretty awesome

[reef rune]

Jup

[wet pilot]

Picked up a home hub on black Friday

[reef rune]

I just need some lights

Going to get either Yeelight or LifX

It's all for in my bedroom. My dad doesn't want to spend such much money to create a smart living room.

I'm also the only one in the house with google home mini

[wet pilot]

Lol it'll start spreafiy

Maybe sneak in a few smart switches

[reef rune]

😆

[wet pilot]

That way they still work like switches for everyone else

[reef rune]

Well, first I'll get my whole bed-room smart. Need some lights, some switches, chromecast, nice speaker, etc.

I'll turn 15 in February, don't judge me on my age please... Everyone does it, but I am not a typical 15 year old.

With the birthday money I'll be able to get some more items.

[wet pilot]

Everyone starts somewhere

[reef rune]

I'll be able to get some more light, I'll get a Chromecast (I want ultra cause I want to be able to watch netflix upstairs)

Idk, we'll see 👌

[wet pilot]

Have a wired connection in your room?

[reef rune]

Well, I have an Ethernet Cable going to my PC. But I'd be able to get a second iirc.

[wet pilot]

Yep, a simple switch should be fine

[reef rune]

Jup, will completely work.

[wet pilot]

Just making sure since the ultra requires it

[reef rune]

But I'll see... I just want to be able to say "Hey google, turn on/off the TV" or "Stream (movie) to TV" or "Hey google, turn on my desk lights" etc.

[wet pilot]

Yep, all doable

[reef rune]

I want to be able to control everything by voice in my room basically.

[wet pilot]

If you have the budget (and if it's available in your country) take a look at the Nvidia shield

[reef rune]

Jup, I'll take a look at it. Thanks!

[wet pilot]

Recently swapped out my CC ultra for it

[reef rune]

It's €164,-

I'll first just get some simple ligts and stuff. I don't even have a little job yet. I also save up for my Drivers License at the same time. (or well, the half of it) so I need to save up like 1000 Euro as well for that.

[wet pilot]

Ouch

[prime pelican]

Hi, I'm thinking of making my first extension of my smart home. I have the Hass on a Rpi and Hue lights and Hue sensor. I'm can't make up my mind if I should go with Zigbee or Z-wave. What do you think is the best for like simplicity with installing it with Hass.io and maintaining it pretty simple? I want to buy in to a system that works for more then just the apartment I have today looking at a future house and stuff.

[storm summit]

@prime pelican I don't have any direct experience with zwave but over the years I've run across forums and chat rooms where people are using it and it sounds like it's painful.

[wet pilot]

A controller does exist they can do both

I use z-wave, haven't really had any issues

[prime pelican]

The thing is on the Swedish market there seems to be more of z-wave than zigbee if you don't count IKEA Trådfri and Philips Hue

[wet pilot]

Zigbee doesn't do inter-op very well from what I've heard

[prime pelican]

But then the USB controllers for Z-wave and Zigbee cost as much and it seems Zigbee devices might be a little cheaper

[storm summit]

@prime pelican recently I got into zigbee because of the xiaomi stuff (super cheap). I went with zigbee2mqtt and it's okay. Its a little hackier than I like, but it has been solid. I only use it for sensors.

[wet pilot]

Where as any z-wave plus device can talk with any other

Zigbee devices are definitely cheaper as there is no certification process

[storm summit]

zwave seems like a nightmare. naming issues, missing binaries, forked projects. all makes me cringe.

[prime pelican]

For me the installation and maintenance needs to be basic. I don't have that much experience with coding but Hass.io has been really fun to learn how to manage.

[wet pilot]

I really haven't been bothered by any of that 😛

Don't really need any coding on the z-wave side at least

[prime pelican]

So if you both was staring out fresh and with minimum coding experience. What would you go with then?

[storm summit]

I'm not sure if it's as bad as it sounds. Zwave has a horrible PR staff 😃

maybe neither?

What are you looking to solve with it? sensors or lights?

or something else?

[wet pilot]

I went with z-wave, main reasons: high compatibility with other z-wave devices and not on the 2.4Ghz band

[storm summit]

Yea, that's a scary thing about zigbee. its 2.4. True.

Honestly if I was to start over I would look at RA2 and Insteon.

or maybe stick with what I have.

[prime pelican]

Well I have the lights with Philips Hue and having loads of fun with device tracking and making automations. I also have my Xiamoi (never learns how to spell that) vacuum. I'm thinking of smart plugs and maybe sensors for doors and windows like that. Not really solving any problems I have I just love to automate stuff and see it works 😄

[wet pilot]

Lol you could continue down the xiamoi path

[storm summit]

sensors i would go with xiaomi or get a legit alarm system.

[prime pelican]

I'm not sure if they even are on the Swedish market. Let me check. Are they zig och zwa?

[storm summit]

xiaomi is all over. US, China, whatever.

I think most people order from that gear website... umm.. I Forget the name.

[prime pelican]

We have the Mi-store in Sweden but they have like nothing

[storm summit]

gearbest.com

[wet pilot]

Shady Chinese site #3?

[storm summit]

Hahah. aliexpress too 😃

[prime pelican]

There is a load of shady chinese sites

[storm summit]

All give best price.

[clever mortar]

Personally, I'd mix both Zigbee and Z-Wave (which is kind of what I'm doing now)

[wet pilot]

And ship "eventually"

[clever mortar]

Xiaomi door/window sensors are insanely cheap. Z-Wave does other things way better.

[prime pelican]

@clever mortar Isn't that more confusing to like get to work?

[clever mortar]

No

[wet pilot]

Arrives "at some point"

[clever mortar]

The whole point of Home Assistant is that you can mix and match technologies

[prime pelican]

True! But do you run like a mix USB that can handle both then?

[storm summit]

I think most people are going to tell you Xiaomi for sensors.

[clever mortar]

Separate controllers for me

[wet pilot]

Might have to look in to the xiaomi sensors

[clever mortar]

For a start - the stick that does Z-Wave and Zigbee is US frequencies only 😉

[wet pilot]

Lol lame

[storm summit]

There are different hubs out there that support xiaomi. you can get their hub or a 3rd party one.

[prime pelican]

If they are on Amazon UK I should be able to get them. Amazon just bought plenty of land here in Sweden but they are going to build some Cloud centers of whatever

[storm summit]

whats wrong with china?

[wet pilot]

Lol a lot

[storm summit]

I think China is probably the cheapest.

[wet pilot]

China the country is a mess 😛

[storm summit]

Well, that's a whole other topic 😃

[prime pelican]

The world is a mess 😂

[clever mortar]

I've bought stuff from Gearbest and Aliexpress. As long as you're not in a rush, I've had no more issues than from anywhere else.

[storm summit]

^^ Agreed.

[prime pelican]

How do you know your not getting clones and stuff? he he

[clever mortar]

Heck, I've regularly had issues with idiot couriers when buying from Amazon 😛

Well, you do your research, like anything else

Read the reviews of the product, and the seller

[prime pelican]

Fire alarm that sets your house on fire for free

[clever mortar]

Spend time on Google

Also, 12V is not as big a risk as 240V

[prime pelican]

What standard is the Xiaomi then?

Or did anyone answer that previous? haha I just woke up

[clever mortar]

Zigbee

As much of a standard as that isn't

[wet pilot]

More of a brand than anything else

[clever mortar]

Z-Wave is a standard. You can mix and match any Z-Wave device and as long as it's Z-Wave Plus it'll "just work" (well, OZW may not work, but the devices will).

Zigbee... Zigbee's a standard like roads are a standard

[prime pelican]

So when buying a Zigbee USB you are not 100% sure they can handle your other Zigbee stuff?

[wet pilot]

Or internet access is a standard

[clever mortar]

You need to do your reading on the way you're doing to connect it all up

https://www.home-assistant.io/components/deconz/ vs https://www.home-assistant.io/components/zha for example

But, if you're going all Xiaomi for Zigbee, just buy their hub

[storm summit]

This is the route I went https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt

[clever mortar]

As with all things HA, there's usually more than one (or two) ways of achieving a goal 😉

[prime pelican]

Yeah and that is what makes it fun but also a little confusing for someone staring out fresh

[storm summit]

...and that is why HASS is so popular. All those things integrate with HASS in the middle.

[clever mortar]

~components @prime pelican

[velvet horizon]

@prime pelican For a complete list of available components, please visit: https://home-assistant.io/components/

[clever mortar]

If you've not already taken a few hours to browse that, worth doing so now

[storm summit]

@prime pelican you will probably make some wrong turns but that's part of the fun.

[clever mortar]

And, unless you fail to read at all before you buy, you'll just end up with a bunch of different brands and technologies, that you can still all make work together

[prime pelican]

Thanks for the advice! I think I'll look into Xiamoi and see if they have what I want. Sensors and stuff I trust them completey but with like power plugs and stuff I want something that is certified in the EU.

Seems like IKEA Trådfri is getting smart plugs as well but they say you can only have a max of 10 lights/plugs in the Trådfri system. Can you work around that in Hass?

One smart plug 99SEK/10.9USD

[wet pilot]

That's stupid cheap

[prime pelican]

https://www.ikea.com/se/sv/catalog/products/90356166/

(In Swedish though)

I wonder if they also are Zigbee

They seem to have smart locks now as well

[wet pilot]

They are iirc

[prime pelican]

oh

[storm summit]

Yea. I personally would stick with my other systems for plugs and lights.

https://koenkk.github.io/zigbee2mqtt/information/supported_devices.html

^^ Looks like its on the supported list. pics match

[prime pelican]

What I can find for the Zigbee project there is a Conbee Zibgbee-controller for USB and some Osram smart + plugs and Innr smart plugs

For Z-wave there is a lot of sensors and plugs. Hmm

[storm summit]

Yea there are quite a few zigbee hubs. I don't recall how i finally decided on zigbee2mqtt. I wish I knew. heh

[clever mortar]

IMO decoupling like that is handy, because it means that when you restart HA you don't lose the device state

[wet pilot]

Though that had been largely fixed

[clever mortar]

Well, "it depends"

Restoring state is still very limited I believe - I don't think the recent changes have improved that at all

I would link to what's restored, but now it's been pulled out to be separate from recorder, I'm struggling to find if it's even documented

Yeah, only documented in the components that support it 🤦

[reef rune]

@wet pilot Bro I got €50,- from my grandparents for Christmas.

I can get some lights.

Either LifX or Yee-light

[reef rune]

Well, I don't need lights apparently... Damn parents bought some ligts for me as well. But I don't know which ones.

What should I get for my Google Home Mini?

[clever mortar]

First work out what you want to do, and what your budget is

[quartz ether]

Just had the biggest panic attack. Rebooted my server it came back on then just died. Couldn't get it to start with anything. IMPI working but not allowing boot front panel showing network but power button did nothing. All things pointed to fired motherboard with most common reason after migration being extra spacer on the case frying the board. Checked it and luckily only the right number so put a spare psu in and it went.

[reef rune]

Well, I just have my bed-room which I'd want to make Smart. My parents bought me some lights for it but I can open them on Christmas.

Now I'd like switches or outlets, or any other device.

[clever mortar]

~components

[velvet horizon]

For a complete list of available components, please visit: https://home-assistant.io/components/

[clever mortar]

Look at the list of switch components

[reef rune]

I don't see much in the list what I know

[clever mortar]

Then it's time to read through their pages, see what they are, then work out if they'll work for you, and if you can afford them 😉

MQTT covers a multitude of (hackable) options, such as the Sonoff range

[reef rune]

Well, all I want is just some stuff which makes my Bedroom more smart.

[clever mortar]

Then it's time to read through their pages, see what they are, then work out if they'll work for you, and if you can afford them 😉

Your choices are down to:

1. Where in the world you are
2. What you can afford
3. How skilled you are, or how skilled you're willing to be

[wispy wharf]

define smart

[clever mortar]

We're here to help, not spoon feed you or make your mind up for you 😉

[wispy wharf]

do you want remote/voice control or automation?

[clever mortar]

Well, they're asking in the HA Discord server, so both are possible if they integrate with HA and a voice assistant

[chilly nymph]

Anyone else mad at Logitech?

[leaden basalt]

have they responded yet?

[chilly nymph]

Last I saw they explicitly said they were discontinuing open access to the API. For "security reasons"

[clever mortar]

You've clearly not been watching the various channels here @chilly nymph if you had to ask that 😉

[light trout]

Look @ #announcements

[chilly nymph]

@clever mortar I have not been. I checked out announcements but there were several and I skimmed. I may have missed it

I now see it's 3 up from the last

Still not happy.

[shy comet]

it reassures the uneasy feeling we get when we see firmware updates on our devices....you never know if it will be the one that takes away the fun 😦

luckily in the case of Neato, a quick change to the library fixes it but in the case of Logitech you get the worse case scenario

[chilly nymph]

The other system I'm frustrated right now is lutron, which I'm just now transitioning to (my clear connect devices I had were connected via wink). But in that case it's because I seem to be prevented from keeping my banking schema

[sullen basalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKYABI-dGEA

[wet pilot]

that's pretty fun

[uneven cobalt]

I thought it was pretty good too. There is actually a few of them up there

[distant stream]

has anyone seen the amazon echo silver SNL skit?

[vague ginkgo]

Anyone use skybell? I've got a buddy who is getting started with Home assistant who wanted to know if he should get one.
this is specifically the one he was looking at http://www.skybell.com/product/skybell-video-doorbell-trim-plus/

I do see that on the SkyBell page, it says https://www.home-assistant.io/components/skybell/ that "Currently only the Skybell HD is supported by this platform." but I've seen that before where the docs were just outdated. Could that be the case here? Does anyone own one?

[shy comet]

@vague ginkgo theres a post on reddit about the company completely abandoning all other products, i think the docs you read are current.

[vague ginkgo]

dang, so it's a 👎 on the recommendation then?

[shy comet]

yea Ring would be a better recommendation since they support all of their models

in fact they even have an upgrade program in place which is kinda neat

i upgraded from Ring 1 to Ring 2 for $20

[pliant forge]

I’m happy with my nest hello so far

[shy comet]

i have a love/hate relationship with mine though

but its mainly cuz of the cloud

the issue wth Nest hello is that it requires power at the doorbell, I like Ring since I just use the battery

[vague ginkgo]

I have a ring, the one thing I hate about it is that there is no live feed from the camera, only the most recent recording

and the video quality often sucks, like it's recording the steaming footage instead of recording locally and pushing the file

I was looking at a Nest Hello as well, but the crazy amount they're charging for their cloud service was... well crazy compared to what I'm paying with Ring.

[uneven cobalt]

But remember nest records 24/7, ring does not. Not apples to apples. Plus you don't need the service necessarily

[clever mortar]

Planning on getting a Nest in the new year, because it does record to the cloud 24/7

Then I can check on whether it was the wind that caused the front door sensor to report the door being opened, without having to be home 😄

[vague ginkgo]

I'm not interested in 27/7 cloud, but you mentioned that I don't need the service

how well does it work inside of HA without it?

Cause if I can get a live feed in HA I'd happily use HA as my DVR for it to save money if I can still get all of the regular doorbell features too

[clever mortar]

Don't believe either give you a live feed

You'd need one of the IP camera doorbells

Something like the HikVision DB-120A-IW

[uneven cobalt]

I have a feed of my nest in HA but it isn't exactly live. Refreshes every few seconds

[vague ginkgo]

this one https://www.amazon.co.uk/HiWatch-DB-120A-IW-WiFi-Smart-Doorbell/dp/B0784ZYYVJ ?

[pliant forge]

I already got most of my neighbors and friends faces on my hello, so when they ring the doorbell my google home lets me know who’s at the door.

[vague ginkgo]

oh, thats the co.uk site, not what I meant to get

wait, what @pliant forge ?

[uneven cobalt]

I love how the nest hello works with my lenovo smart display too

[vague ginkgo]

Google home lets you know?

[uneven cobalt]

With Nest Hello it announces

[pliant forge]

Yup, it’s pretty slick

[uneven cobalt]

Does a broadcast and tells you who it is if it knows

[vague ginkgo]

oh that's cool. I wish my Ring would at least push a doorbell chime

Does that feature work without a subscription?

[pliant forge]

If it knows it tell you the name, if not then it tells you “someone is at the front door”

[clever mortar]

You need a sub for the Nest Aware part

£4/month in the UK

Also gives you 5 days of recording history though

[uneven cobalt]

The broadcast works without a subscription but the face detection part does not

[clever mortar]

Given we can't see the front of the house from the living room, that face detection is the thing that's most appealing

[vague ginkgo]

and without the subscription, can you get a camera feed into HA at all?

[pliant forge]

They video comes up right away on my google hub too

[uneven cobalt]

Yes

I cancelled my subscription though I miss the face part so I might resub

[vague ginkgo]

if it's not live, then what is it? randomly refreshing clips? or?

[uneven cobalt]

Its live but refreshed. If that makes sense....

[vague ginkgo]

uh? so like just a delayed live feed? Or like every <x> amount of time a <x> duration long clip just gets refreshed?

[uneven cobalt]

It basically refreshes still images every x ammount of time. Not sure how long x is. Its good enough for what I need

[vague ginkgo]

x amount of time, on the scale of minutes or seconds?

[pliant forge]

Seconds

[clever mortar]

Standard camera entities refresh every 10 seconds

[vague ginkgo]

oh, so does it work like a regular IP camera that when you click on it it opens up a live feed?

[clever mortar]

That I don't know

[vague ginkgo]

sidenote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKYABI-dGEA

this is wonderful.

[shy comet]

@vague ginkgo you are 1 hour too late on that 😛 scroll up

[uneven cobalt]

more wonderful then the one posted about 30 posts ago? 😉

[vague ginkgo]

that's fair....

sorry xD

[reef rune]

Which province are you from @charred river

As in, not the name of city and stuff.

Just province (Not forcing you either to tell, just asking. No need to answer if you don't want)

[charred river]

utrecht

[reef rune]

Wait a second seriously?

[charred river]

tried private message but you dont accept

[reef rune]

Lmao, my girlfriend lives in Utrecht, so do my Cousin and Aunt.

I visit Utrecht daily.

Cause well, it's a great city and it's just awesome there.

[charred river]

yeo

[reef rune]

I've added yeh as a friend

To talk dutch in there

[brisk frost]

Hi people. Thinking of getting yi dome camera. Has anyone here got it integrated and are you happy with it?

[royal hatch]

anyone use proxmox?

or ownmediavault?

[distant stream]

I run proxmox for my home lab

[hazy spindle]

anyone with more than one google home mini have an issue with "colliding" hostnames? as well as them showing as "not found on the network" even after i just set it up?

[vague ginkgo]

the worst I've had to deal with is HA remembering the mini from before a factory reset and reserving the entity id and giving me no ability to remove the old one since it's not an online active entity anymore.

not dealt with colliding hostnames

[hazy spindle]

i mean im kinda assuming that somehow DNS is the issue, cause once i added the second mini to my home, the home app couldnt connect to either one. and i noticed that in my DHCP server it used the same hostname for both. so in DNS it only shows 1.

like its not even an HA issue for me yet. just getting it to connect to the whole "google home" account

[wet pilot]

You seen the DNS haiku?

[nocturne delta]

@royal hatch i used to use proxmox, replaced it with openmediavault, lol

with a docker-compose for my torrent stack

[storm summit]

openmediavault runs VMs?

[nocturne delta]

@vague ginkgo not sure specifically about whatever entity that the mini was, but zwave entities are in /config/.storage/core.entity_registry. when i need to get rid of old entities to rename new ones, i have to delete those lines.

@storm summit omv just runs on debian, you can do whatever else with it

i've got everything i need running with docker, i used to have custom made vm's, but there's dockers for everything now

there's a docker plugin for OMV thats alright, but i prefer to manage with docker-compose.

there's also a virtualbox plugin for OMV that i haven't messed with yet, but there is nothing stopping you from running virtualbox through the cli, or qemu, or whatever you want with linux.

but the storage management and file sharing of OMV is nice

[hazy spindle]

well now, suddenly google home minis are showing as connected in my "Home" now. guess they just needed some time to talk things out. 😛

[reef rune]

Google Home Mini is a bit slower yh

But it's pretty amazing

[clever mortar]

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/12/19/logitech_harmony_smart_home/
A year after Logitech screwed over Harmony users, it, um, screws over Harmony users 🤣

[reef rune]

Lol

[thick lily]

yo is there some way to donate to homeassistant?

[wet pilot]

could use the cloud: 😛

[clever mortar]

^that 😉

[wet pilot]

but other than that, not currently

[thick lily]

oh right, will do that although I don't need currently

thx

you guys get money from that or goes mostz of it to nabu casa?

oh i saw the about us 😄

[clever mortar]

Most of us here are just giving up our free time

[wet pilot]

https://giphy.com/gifs/JIX9t2j0ZTN9S

that one

[thick lily]

truly in the oss spirit 😃

[reef rune]

@wet pilot I ordered a Google Chromecast

Since I get LifX lights for Christmas.

[wet pilot]

nice 😃

[reef rune]

My room will slowly get basic-smart home.

I mean like, I still need Smart Switches, Plugs and stuff like that.

Maybe a thermostat controller for my radiator.

[odd mason]

@serene mortar i guess i'll have to set up pihole today with that as my dns

[serene mortar]

that is what I have done

[odd mason]

and then block the addresses on my pihole

[serene mortar]

it is not that easy for Harmony

[odd mason]

how come

[serene mortar]

you have to device the DNS in the device

or create a separate network that uses piHole as the DNS

you can use the second approach and then connect Harmony to the second network

[odd mason]

can't i just use pihole for the whole network? are ther edownsides to that?

[serene mortar]

if the PiHole goes down...everything goes down

I guess, you can use that

[odd mason]

i guess i could create a separate network and connect the harmony to that

but then will HA be able to talk to it?

[shy comet]

dont forget

harmony app will not work if you do this

you cant add devices or change activities

[serene mortar]

I tried creating a separate network and block the URLs

[shy comet]

or anything htat requires syncing

[serene mortar]

but Harmony did not work as @shy comet suggested

[odd mason]

@shy comet so i need to setup harmony first (i factory reset it)

then block it?

[serene mortar]

I was not even able to connect to harmony using my app

[shy comet]

@odd mason i think so, you need to make sure your online account has everything you need

[odd mason]

yea i don't add devices very often

[shy comet]

i tested out the websockets stuff, it works but some peopel have issues with it

[serene mortar]

I have the WS stuff running, but I am not using Harmony actively

My Samsung remote works well and controls all the devices that I need

[shy comet]

yea I have a fair amount of IR devices here so I depened on harmony

downgrading firmware was really simple though

had to do it last night

[serene mortar]

I saw few in the forums also complain that blocking the URLS completely didnot work for them

[odd mason]

yea i just downgraded

we need to root this damn thig

[shy comet]

yea I think thats cuz some of the DNS's hop around multiple IP's

the sad part is, there is no direct replacement for its features as a universal remote....you have neeo but its much more expensive

for me personally I will probably need to pick up a few broadlinks and keep the hub for the TVs

[serene mortar]

well, lets just hope the WS things is fixed

and looks like it will be

[shy comet]

yea and they dont take it away 😦

[serene mortar]

true...

[shy comet]

harmony hub was the one device i felt confident in recommending to anyone....my parents love theirs

[serene mortar]

it definitely was a good device

[wet pilot]

still is if you use it the way you want them to

this change didn't affect its core functionality

especially considering all the integrations were made by reverse engineering an undocumented api

[shy comet]

@wet pilot to be honest though their product has tons of shortcomings

[wet pilot]

and the updated integration is still reverse engineering an undocumented api

[shy comet]

like for example, in any integration you can only use activites

[wet pilot]

that's for them to decide to implement ¯_(ツ)_/¯

any integration with harmony seems to be a hack at best unless they publish an open api

[light trout]

Could be worse, like USPS 😛

[shy comet]

honestly after the whole harmony link incident nothing they do will surprise me

literally killing off a hub

@wet pilot no matter what they do though, they still need to offer some form of local control....even their app today mentions local access when you use it

i cant see them fully moving to the cloud, nobody wants their tv to be delayed as a result

[wet pilot]

but they could super easily add auth and break everyone again

[shy comet]

its different than turning on a light switch

yea exactly

its only a matter of time

i wish broadlink offered a similar remote

[reef rune]

Hey ehm, can I control my TV with a Normal Chromecast or only just stream stuff to it?

[wet pilot]

if the TV supports HDMI-CEC it can do some limited control

[reef rune]

How do I find out if it's CEC?

[shy comet]

google?

[sterile copper]

Seems like everywhere I go, everything is designed for hassio, add-ons with capabilities I want. Are all those compatible with a hassbian install or do I have to reinstall using hassio? I read somewhere in here that hassio could be layered on top of hassbian? Just haven’t found it yet

If I can layer it on top, hopefully the add-ons will become available

[quartz ether]

Hassio is the easy to use version. If you can do it on hassio then you can do it in HASS it just may not be as simple/built in

[sterile copper]

Ok so they’re built to easily install into a hassio environment but can be used in normal hassbian. That works, I’m not bad with Linux

[quartz ether]

https://www.home-assistant.io/components << that is everything offically supported and can be used on any version of HASS. There are also a lot of custom components where peeople have created their own (usually a google of "home assistant device you want to add" will come up with someones custom component)

Also this is the lounge where non home assistant chat is to be had. 😛 so need to move over to the #330944238910963714 if you have any more questions

[wintry crow]

Any CSS gurus in here? I have an input button that I've styled, and wanna remove the blue border that shows up when you've clicked the button

[wintry crow]

Found it; outline: none; in chrome

[novel jacinth]

Is something out there which gives me a sensor in home assistant for my bicycle tire pressure?

[amber bramble]

Rumor has it Lutron is working on a Caseta fan controller

you know... after i bought a bunch of zigbee fan modules that were are a pain in the rear

[edgy ore]

has anyone used xiaomi buttons for extended periods? i have built a house where all rooms have hue (gledopto) controlled downlights and i'm thinking of getting xiaomi buttons to use as light switches. so any experience on the reliability of these in the long run? 😃

[reef rune]

Google Chromecast will be delivered this evening between 6:00 PM and 10:00 PM 👌

(I ordered it yesterday)

Can't wait to find out more about the chromecast.

[proven spruce]

you plug it in and you stream stuff to it, not much more

[orchid rose]

well there are a few more things someone can find useful. CEC as mentioned above (doesn't work with an amp unfortunately) and speaker groups with other cast-devices come to mind

[light trout]

@raven dirge for the avatar I used bitmoji

[vale shale]

Wow I used 1109 GB in the past 30 days on my windows work station!

[wet pilot]

lol

[light trout]

change logger: level 😛

[vale shale]

What is weird is that 757 GB was from System.

[light trout]

112 failed windows updates

[vale shale]

I actually wouldn't be surprised!

[reef rune]

Pretty much just love this new Google Chromecast which just arrived.

[uneven cobalt]

Anyone else just get a response from logitech? looks like they are opening XMPP back up for those who want it.

https://hastebin.com/ziboxopolu.coffeescript

[vale shale]

Anyone have anything to say about the Homerun Extend?

I have been looking at one.

[flint dagger]

Hi all. Can anyone suggest a good (hopefully cheap) HA compatible RGB light strip for putting up behind a TV? Preferably WiFi controlled.

[wet pilot]

i wonder if the DIY route would be best

cheap LED strip and some sort of ESP

[flint dagger]

It’s not something I really want to DIY honestly. There are dozens of options out there, many as cheap as $30. I’m not likely to beat that. If I were running dozens of feet it might be different.

[wet pilot]

fair

[flint dagger]

I currently have a pretty OK USB powered light strip back there but it’s HomeKit only. I might be able to get it working with the HomeKit controller add on but I’ve been thinking about getting something brighter anyway, and I’d like something that HA can address directly.

[tough igloo]

Look at the magic light led controllers. Pretty cheap and work with RGB RGBW led strips. Works with this component https://www.home-assistant.io/components/light.flux_led/ @flint dagger

Less than $10 for the controller and the strips will vary in price depending on where you buy them from

[flint dagger]

Thanks, sounds promising. I’ll look them up.

[orchid rose]

MiLight is another cheap option. The hub is around 15$ and the led strip controllers around 6$. DIY offers cheaper alternatives

[clever mortar]

@formal temple Chrome's built in password manager will do what you're after. LastPass will also do it and can be set to require 2FA

Do check https://haveibeenpwned.com/ though

[formal temple]

yeah i already set 2fa on a the ones that do it i'll go there now

[orchid rose]

Vivaldi's integrated password manager recently got an update where it recommends you a password and saves it which I thought was pretty cool. Not sure if all chromium based browsers have that

[formal temple]

ok then yes i have been pwned 😡

[clever mortar]

Yeah, but you want your password manager to do 2FA if you're concerned

[formal temple]

yeah

[clever mortar]

My email address turns up about 20 times on that site

No big deal, because I haven't re-used passwords for a loooong time now

But when you see the top passwords they see in breaches, like password, it makes you realise that's rare

[formal temple]

i need to lose that email anyway it was a free one with an old isp i dont really use anymore

[clever mortar]

Just be sure to protect your email account with 2FA too 😉

[formal temple]

do i need the paid version of lastpass or does the free one suffice

[clever mortar]

Check the features, decide what you want

[orchid rose]

thanks for the link Tinkerer, turns out I have one site as well that has been compromised

[clever mortar]

I went paid ages ago because that's how I got the mobile app too

I don't believe that's required any more, but I'm using LastPass Families these days to ensure that everybody avoids being a trivial victim

[formal temple]

ok looks like the free one will suffice for me thanks for the help

[mighty summit]

with this new webhooks functionality (https://www.nabucasa.com/config/webhooks/),
is owntracks now the better option versus gpslogger ?

[clever mortar]

If you don't otherwise expose your system to the Internet, maybe

Assuming you're not on Android, or they've actually fixed their broken Android app

[mighty summit]

i do have https to the webif, and i'm on android :p

so...gpslogger with LLAT is still pretty robust i guess

it works, yet i have the urge to fix it

😶 🔫

[clever mortar]

Well, GPSLogger with Webhooks would be awesome, I'll need to check and see if there's anything on Github

Nope 😦

[reef rune]

Hey ehm guys?

I can't find the dimensions of the box for the LifX Mini 4 pack.

Does anybody know em?

[calm pagoda]

Hey guys, I'm fairly new to the Discord chat. This seems silly, but what's the best practice for asking questions? Often times, the channels are fairly busy and it's easy to get a message/request/question lost in the shuffle of other on-going discussions. It feels a bit spammy to repost a question. Suggestions?

[clever mortar]

~ask

[velvet horizon]

When you do ask a question, try to provide as much background detail as possible. Ask yourself these questions first so that others don't have to:

1. What version of the software are you running?
2. What's your operating system?
3. What exactly are you trying to do that won't work?
4. Is the problem uniform or erratic?
5. What's the exact error message?
6. When did it arise?
7. What exactly don't you "get"?
8. Can you provide sample code, ideally with line errors where the error occurs?

[clever mortar]

~questions

[velvet horizon]

Before You Ask
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Before asking a technical question in our channels, please do the following:

1. Try to find an answer by searching the archives of the forum: https://community.home-assistant.io/
2. Try to find an answer by searching the Web: https://www.google.com/
3. Try to find an answer by reading the manual: https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/
4. Try to find an answer by reading a FAQ: https://www.home-assistant.io/faq/
5. Try to find an answer by inspection or experimentation.
6. Try to find an answer by asking a skilled friend.
7. If you're a programmer, try to find an answer by reading the source code: https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant

When you ask your question, display the fact that you have done these things first; this will help establish that you're not being a lazy sponge and wasting people's time. Better yet, display what you have learned from doing these things. We like answering questions for people who have demonstrated they can learn from the answers.

[clever mortar]

Those two (and the #rules) are good guides

Beyond that though, repeating your question a while later is fine. I'd generally suggest waiting at least half an hour to avoid appearing spammy

[low harness]

There’s one question that’s frowned upon, though. ”Can I ask a question?”

[clever mortar]

There's also the simple fact that people may have read your message, but not had an answer. Waiting a few hours for different people may get you an answer.

And obviously, no text walls 😉

[brisk furnace]

hey everyone - I just bought a shield so I'm retiring my kodi raspberry pi mediacenter... Question is what could I use the spare pi for now? I was thinking openmediavault and use it as a NAS, and then I could potentially point my other pi running hassio to that for database storage

just wondering if there's any other interesting things to do with it instead

also - in case anyone has a better suggestion maybe using just raspbian stretch + samba instead of openmediavault (which kind of takes over the entire OS) but then maybe that's more maintenance, not sure

[calm pagoda]

@brisk furnace I'm currently using my rpi's for room-level presence detection. @somber pebble has a really nice solution for doing so https://community.home-assistant.io/t/monitor-reliable-multi-user-distributed-bt-occupancy-presence-detection/68505

[tropic hedge]

What's everyone's preferred switch / outles for Home Assistant?

[clever mortar]

Depends on where you live on the planet - some devices are country or region specific 😉

[tropic hedge]

ah, southern california

been looking at lutron caseta, seems really nice, but I don't know if there are any new & better options

[clever mortar]

A good chunk will depend on your budget, but I hear good things about them (not being in the US, I've never come across them)

[tropic hedge]

Why aren't they in your area? They just don't make 220 vers?

[clever mortar]

Because it's more than just voltage 😉

Each country has different certification processes

[tropic hedge]

raiod band issues?

oh

[clever mortar]

So, you can certify for, say, Europe, but even then mainland Europe uses one plug style, and the UK another

[last plaza]

@tropic hedge lutron casetas are very expensive compared to TPLink or Wemo. I prefer TP-Link Kasa over Wemo - as they work very reliably with HA, and their app is also nice. They are WiFi based

[tropic hedge]

thansk, I'll take a look. I'm a little hesistant to use wifi since I'm going to have a dozen or so switches and such and didn't want to have a ton of devices on wifi

[serene mortar]

Any pfSense users around?

[tropic hedge]

Is there reason not to go with z-wave switches?

[light trout]

yes, one big reason is: "You don't have any z-wave devices now"

[tropic hedge]

is that not something I want to dive into? I don't mind buying hubs, and I was looking at possibly getting a zwave lock in the future

[light trout]

If you want to invest in z-wave do so :)
But if you only want a few things, wifi switches could be cheaper 😛

[tropic hedge]

I'm doing a whole-home to-the-studs rennovation, so I've got 12-15 switches to replace.

I've got a beefy access point, but I still feel it might be better to avoid the overhead of wifi and use something like zwave instead, but I don't really know

[tropic hedge]

Insteon looks pretty cool too

[vale shale]

http://www.life360.com/ Someone forgot something!

[brisk furnace]

@calm pagoda Just saw this! Thank you going to have a read through now

[opal ivy]

?rank other

[slim rampart]

@opal ivy, you joined Other.

[vale shale]

?rank other

[slim rampart]

@vale shale, you joined Other.

[sly cosmos]

?rank other

[slim rampart]

@sly cosmos, you joined Other.

[wet pilot]

O.o

[sly cosmos]

Sorry we are testing the Hassbot

[cobalt kayak]

Anybody know if these are ESP based? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HGS7VTD

Compared to my zha and z-wave stuff, all my wifi-mqtt things are way more performant, so I'm hopeful they are hackable. Else, I'll stick with the smartthings one.

[tropic hedge]

wohoo! Got Konnected up and running, at least with a test door sensor. That wsasn't too bad at all

also disocvered that I can TTS to my roommate's bedroom TV. Gonna have to think of a fun use for that sometime

[wet pilot]

"Clean the fracking dishes!" in an automation that fires every 5m

[mighty summit]

I came across this, and wanted to highlight the OP for taking the time to figure things out, and share his results in a well thought out manner :
https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/a8h5tu/heres_a_simple_automation_to_have_your_lights/

[late gate]

Any good suggestions how to make an automation based on a water sensor? Its counting from midnight and resetting next midnight. I would like to turn on water heater if the water sensor go up for example 50l within 1 hour (then it would suggest someone is in the shower)

[mighty summit]

a lot depends on what kind of water meter the utility company has installed.

digital? analog?

[late gate]

@mighty summit I have a digital reader of it. I have a sensor already in HA that read consumption

[mighty summit]

also, #diy-archived has like-minded people

oh, ok

you got the hardware bit out of the way already then

[late gate]

Yeah I just need some help on the automation how to see how much is used the last x minutes

[mighty summit]

#330944238910963714 😉

post whatever beginnings of automation you already created

[late gate]

true maybe better place. I just realized maybe setting up a history stasticic sensor could be the solution

[vale shale]

I like to see what @light trout listens too. He has a good taste for music.

[light trout]

False

[vale shale]

That was an attempted compliment 🙂

[light trout]

Oh.. sorry

[last plaza]

lol @light trout is always drinking and listening to good music 😉

I call that life!

[vale shale]

I don't know what you are apologizing for? Making fun of yourself?

[light trout]

Sure, let's go with that 👌🤣

[tame cove]

a bit offtopic but does someone knows a good roller shutter which is MQTT compatible

i was looking at the Sonoff brand but they dont seem to have it

[slim rampart]

@midnight adder, you joined Other.

[rustic jolt]

?rank other

[slim rampart]

@rustic jolt, you joined Other.

[languid sphinx]

So I managed to switch all of the Aqara stuff from zigbee2mqtt over to a Xiaomi hub and I moved the hub from basement to top floor of the house. Now however I've lost my leak sensors in the basement as they must be just too far away. Hopefully shelly continues the wifi/mqtt trend and I get a leak sensor someday

[formal temple]

@junior forge I was thinking even though the iPhone app was running was it actually using the ip or was it still using your WiFi ip?

[rain oxide]

Dang, it's quiet around here.

Hi guys. :]

[quartz ether]

No it’s not

😛

[rain oxide]

Is too. But it's probably the holidays.

[light trout]

Is not

[vale shale]

@quartz ether I think that I saw you in the Plex server.

[light trout]

You did not

[vale shale]

Hmmm I better check...

[quartz ether]

I was there. Lol

Merry Christmas 😛

[dull chasm]

Almost but thanks you too @quartz ether

[quartz ether]

6am over here.

[vale shale]

It is 0011 here, christmas eve

[gleaming valve]

Merry Christmas.

[light trout]

Who is Merry? and what did she do for Christmas? 🤔

[light trout]

Okey @rain oxide I agree, it is quiet here today

[vale shale]

Merry Christmas @light trout especially!

[light trout]

WHO is this Merry?

[vale shale]

Happy Christmas

[light trout]

happy holidays @vale shale && @gleaming valve

[vale shale]

Did a quick google search fix the problem?

[light trout]

shhhhhhh

[vale shale]

Made my first pull request!

[last plaza]

@vale shale Merry Christmas! Congratulations!!! A day to remember!

[vale shale]

Yep I had to make it on a day that I would always remember.

[light trout]

Ping @last plaza when the build finish, and he will merge it ASAP 😄

[last plaza]

yes, I am really good at blindly merging the PRs 😛

I am just a nice guy, and trust people too much! 😉

[light trout]

This one actually looks good, adds another example to the docs for a generic platform

[vale shale]

Idk if the docs should count as an major land mark but it was worth a shot

[light trout]

it should

Welcome to the open source world 😄

[vale shale]

Yep I figured with so many people using BI I would get the PR before someone else did

[light trout]

Every addition to ourr docs are a win 😃

[vale shale]

Yay

[light trout]

your formating was wrong, I took care of that 😃

Here is a preview of your PR https://deploy-preview-7943--home-assistant-docs.netlify.com/components/camera.mjpeg/

[vale shale]

oh the yaml part after the three backtics?

[light trout]

yup 😃

[vale shale]

Oops, Thank you!

Ah you also changed the username and password

[light trout]

Yeah, to comply with the standards 😃

[vale shale]

Thank you again

Ah I see that, looking at the developer docs

[light trout]

Welcome to the "club" @vale shale 😃

[vale shale]

Well thanks for making it happen!

[light trout]

My pleassure 😃

[vale shale]

How many PRs have you submitted?

[light trout]

it's not up to date but you can hoover my name here https://www.home-assistant.io/developers/credits/

[mighty summit]

merry Christmas and/or happy Festivus !

https://www.google.com/search?q=festivus&oq=festivus&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.3175j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[light trout]

12/23?
it's 12/25 here 😛

[mighty summit]

Festivus can last

[pallid dagger]

Feliz Navidad

[quartz ether]

So rowdy in here today

[light trout]

probably breaking a rule against promotions, but I'm too excited to care :D
https://twitter.com/ludeeus/status/1077350071778320387 🎉

@strong hound 😄

[strong hound]

Believe him, it's exciting to release something that works and maybe useful to others in the future!

[rain oxide]

Called it!

[quartz ether]

You have no friends on twitter @light trout so i dont think anyone cares 😛

[light trout]

It's not limited to twitter @quartz ether 😉

[quartz ether]

Hahah

[vale shale]

Lel

Stupid mobile

[light trout]

Don't blame your device for your attributes @vale shale 😂

[vale shale]

I type lel I wanna say lel, not let. I would much rather be on a keyboard

😄

[quartz ether]

My partner just asked how old* all the other nerds I talk too are

[rain oxide]

I'm doing good.

[quartz ether]

I think she is judging me being on here on xmas

[rain oxide]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'm waiting for mine to finish getting ready so we can leave.

Figured I'd do some upgrades to my HA in the meanwhile.

Has anyone here used Plex and or Snips?

Considering setting them up and it'd be great to hear from someone who's used either platform.

[quartz ether]

Plex yes

The BEST thing ever

[rain oxide]

Really?

Right now I have a ton of Mp3s on fuckin' uh

Google Play Music

So I'm thinking it'd probably be a good idea to swap

Considering we heard about GPM getting nuked in favor of YouTube

[quartz ether]

I have 90 ish users now and LOTS of stuff.

[rain oxide]

Goddamn.

No data caps or anything of the sort?

[vale shale]

90 users? I have plex too

[rain oxide]

Yo this looks way neater than I thought.

[vale shale]

Plex?

[rain oxide]

Yea.

[vale shale]

It is pretty neat. I don’t even have premium. Looking into live dvr but I would have to get on my tall roof

[rain oxide]

Did you guys set it up on dedicated hardware

Or within your HA device

[vale shale]

Dedicated windows pc. Looking at power edge servers that would take everything. ATM I have 3 or 4 computers running everything for me

[rain oxide]

Really adverse to the idea of leaving my PC on all the time though.

[vale shale]

It’s worth it for me.

Are you in the plex discord server?

[rain oxide]

Is the device it's running on consuming a lot of resources for it?

Naw

Not yet, just now started thinking about exploring it.

[vale shale]

Not really, maybe a little when encoding

[rain oxide]

Ran into it due to the Hass.io plugin.

But

not running hassio

[vale shale]

I looked at kodi too

But I like the idea of having a server that everything talks to

[rain oxide]

Yeah, like I was saying with the Google Music thing too like

My bro and I made a gmail account for it

But it literally lets one person play music at a time

And we're pausing each other all the time.

And it's obscure stuff that's not on Spotify.

[tropic hedge]

The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel. Bob opened his deck, "Ugh, not again" he muttered as his light bulb informed him it required a firmware upgrade.

I love our boring cyberpunk future

[wet pilot]

Lol

[quartz ether]

@rain oxide @vale shale i have two servers dedicated to Plex (one runs Plex the other is storage) currently 80TB

Plea pass is awesome allows me to run Plex requests channel so users can automatically request shows and movies which are then sent through to Sonarr/Radarr to download.

Connection I’m on is 1000/1000 unlimited fibre so I am not concerned about usage etc.

[wet pilot]

Similar here

[vale shale]

@quartz ether Wow! Do you have a setup guide?

[quartz ether]

For?

https://github.com/ngovil21/RequestChannel.bundle

[vale shale]

I guess your whole setup?

[quartz ether]

Haha no walk through setup but it is fairly easy.

Windows PC running Plex (just simple setup no dockers etc)
Plex Data is on a M2 drive for faster metadata load times

10gbe direct connection to UnRaid server

UnRaid server has
Radarr
Sonarr
Jacket
Deluge

[vale shale]

What torrent do you use? Rtorrent etc

[tropic hedge]

looks like deluge

[quartz ether]

Deluge.

[vale shale]

I didn’t know that was a torrent. Kinda new to this stuff. How do you have 80 users?

[quartz ether]

Friends / Family

[vale shale]

You have more friends/family than I have!

[tropic hedge]

you have more friends/family than I have acquaintances

[wet pilot]

I have a bunch of users too

I recommend plexrequests though

[vale shale]

@quartz ether what vpn do you use?

[wet pilot]

Have everything set up in docker

Sub transmissions for deluge though

Also add tautulli

I'm lazy and grabbed all my containers from linuxserver.io

[vale shale]

What vpn do you use @wet pilot ?

[wet pilot]

I'm playing with fire and don't currently use one 😀

[vale shale]

I’ve been looking at Nord

Wow, guy who takes risks...

[wet pilot]

Calculated risks, I only use private trackers