the-water-cooler

[rose shuttle]

hmm

[quaint tapir]

owntracks, openwrt wifi presence

[rose shuttle]

yeah ok

owntracks hasn't been nice to me

don't think her phone likes the Let's Encrypt cert

[quaint tapir]

it has it's ups an downs. sometimes the app hangs. but it's ok-ish

it's nice to track presence at not-home places.

[rose shuttle]

yeah

ive got that working on my iphone i think

havent tested it yet

but looking for that same type of solution for my wifes phone i guess owntracks is the way

or gpslogger

[quaint tapir]

owntracks is not super reliable and fast, but battery effect is negligible

[rose shuttle]

ohh, i see what @gleaming valve was saying now

Google Maps

https://www.home-assistant.io/components/device_tracker.google_maps/

this?

[clever mortar]

WiFi + BlueTooth + GPS for me

In particular nmap for WiFi and GPSLogger for GPS

[rose shuttle]

ok cool, gpslogger might be worth a look then

[clever mortar]

Impact of having GPSLogger report every 10 minutes - under 1% battery loss (it doesn't make the stats)

[rose shuttle]

yeah ok

ill look at doing it with that instead

[clever mortar]

The trick is to use multiple methods, because no single method is reliable (well, ok, for me Bluetooth is totally reliable, but the range sucks 😛 )

[rose shuttle]

yeah i dont use bluetooth on my phone

[orchid rose]

gpslogger is much more reliable than the gmaps

[rose shuttle]

my wife does tho

[clever mortar]

You just need it turned on (and obviously found by Home Assistant)

[quaint tapir]

what app is that GPSlogger?

[clever mortar]

GPSLogger is the name of the app

[quaint tapir]

😃

[clever mortar]

It's like Owntracks, only not buggy as heck on Android

And not abandoned by the devs 😉

[rose shuttle]

setting up gpslogger now

[molten flax]

I guess owntracks is the best for ios route?

[quaint tapir]

there are some apps called that name... link anyone?

[molten flax]

or the companion app

[rose shuttle]

companion app for ios

[clever mortar]

~lmgtfy gpslogger

[velvet horizon]

:point_up:

Let me Google that for you...

Here, try this => http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gpslogger

[clever mortar]

First 5 hits are all right

Didn't look further 😉

[quaint tapir]

@clever mortar i 'googled' the play store... that was not helpful

[clever mortar]

🤣

[quaint tapir]

so the name is "GPS Logger for Android" 😉

[clever mortar]

In the app store, but everywhere else it's just the short one

Don't know why the dev called it something other than GPSLogger there, but 🤷

[gleaming valve]

@orchid rose I think gmaps is working awesome. Both on Android and iPhone.
Owntracks didn't work that good for me or my wife.

[orchid rose]

it works okay but compared to gpslogger it's just so much slower and less reliable unless you actually open the map on the phone

[gleaming valve]

Okay, never faced that problem. It opens my door instantly when I drive up on the driveway.

[rose shuttle]

nice

i just got GPSLogger working easy

although i didnt know how to work out how to get a long lived access token

so ive used the legacy API for now

[clever mortar]

https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/authentication/#profile you get them in your profile

[rose shuttle]

ah yes

i should create my wife a profile then

im new to this, btw

only been playing with HA for maybe a week

given that i now have 3 sources for presence data, what's the best way for me to use it?

i.e. i have 3 sources, unifi, bluetooth and gps

[clever mortar]

Best is subjective (and we're waaaay off topic for #the-water-cooler) but either a bayesian sensor or automations

[rose shuttle]

probably just using gps is fine anyway

[clever mortar]

I use automations so that I can have more control, but the bayesian sensor is simpler

https://blog.ceard.tech/2018/10/presence-detection-update-3.html

GPS can take too long to report home/away, and gives false reports

[rose shuttle]

oh interesting

btw what channel should we move to

[clever mortar]

#330944238910963714

[rocky tangle]

damn distractions

just removed a running VM from the data store due to not paying attention

[rose shuttle]

backup? 😄

[quaint tapir]

@clever mortar where is the GPS status recorded after gpslogger reports it to HASS?

I see a new known_device, but no device_tracker in HASS

[clever mortar]

Should be in device_tracker.WHATEVER

[quaint tapir]

hm.... not showing up

[clever mortar]

Open up the log in GPSLogger, see what it says

[quaint tapir]

HTTP Request - https://....

had errors before, but now it seems to work

and a new known_device showed up too

[clever mortar]

Check the Home Assistant log for that time, see what it reported

[quaint tapir]

nothing. is empty

[clever mortar]

Not the UI, the actual log file

[quaint tapir]

yes

[clever mortar]

Ok, how did you install HA?

[quaint tapir]

the logfile reports stuff... it's just that the component does not report anything at that time

ah hang on

[quaint tapir]

@clever mortar well... I've got it. thanks
it helps to enable tracking in the known_hosts file

[clever mortar]

Ah, you must have changed the defaults then - the defaults are to track all new devices

[quaint tapir]

yes

it's showing up. but gps position is still not there... hmmm. brb

[clever mortar]

https://www.home-assistant.io/components/map ?

Also https://www.home-assistant.io/components/zone/#home-zone

[rare condor]

I have a Job Interview tomorrow, at a Building Automation Company which works on industrial systems using BACnet, Modbus, etc.

First job interview besides retail casual job

[clever mortar]

Good luck!

[rare condor]

@clever mortar Thanks

[rocky tangle]

@rose shuttle no backup - VM was still running vCenter converter and creating a VM from the memory image works 😃

[rose shuttle]

No backups.. who are you!! 😒

I use ghettoVCB to backup my ESXi guests

[clever mortar]

I do have a system I don't back up, but that's my test system 😉

[rose shuttle]

Reminds me, I need to write a python script to automate my backups

[serene delta]

There are two types of people, those who have backups and those that have never lost any files 😋

[clever mortar]

~backup @rose shuttle

[velvet horizon]

@rose shuttle Be sure to regularly, automatically, back up your Home Assistant install. There are various critical files and configuration options (like the Z-Wave network key), plus all your time. Hass.io has snapshots, and for unix type installs see https://blog.ceard.tech/2017/10/backing-up-home-assistant.html. Oh, and most important of all test your ability to restore regularly.

[clever mortar]

rpi-clone gives you bootable backups if you're on a Pi, and rsnapshot handles local (off box) backups using rsync and SSH

[rose shuttle]

Yeah I’ll need to do that too

[clever mortar]

rclone is awesome for backing up to just about anywhere

[quaint tapir]

@clever mortar the device shows up as tracker now, but has no attributes besides friendly name (which I'm not sure I can change) and source_type: null

[clever mortar]

Check to see that it's checking in correctly - look in the console log

Hmmm, just noticed mine doesn't show anything in the console log when it checks in, that's handy 🤦

[quaint tapir]

jup, nothing there or in the homeassistant.log

but the gpslogger app says "success"

[clever mortar]

There we go, I do get ... Serving /api/gpslogger to ...

[quaint tapir]

i have 2018-10-24 13:11:38 INFO (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.http.view] Serving /api/gpslogger to ... (auth: True)

[clever mortar]

Yup, so it's checking in

Likely failure at this point is if your URI is wrongly ordered or missing things

[quaint tapir]

I'll double check

[clever mortar]

https://YOUR.DNS.HOSTNAME:PORT/api/gpslogger?latitude=%LAT&longitude=%LON&device=%SER&accuracy=%ACC&battery=%BATT&speed=%SPD&direction=%DIR&altitude=%ALT&provider=%PROV&activity=%ACT

You can get away with changing %SER (I do) but nothing else

[quaint tapir]

yes I have that... a version of it:
https://MYHASSINSTALL/api/gpslogger?latitude=%LAT&longitude=%LON&device=%SER&accuracy=%ACC&battery=%BATT&speed=%SPD&direction=%DIR&altitude=%ALT&provider=%PROV&activity=%ACT

all ok, no change. no attributes

one moment...

oh come on! I just...
It works.
I changed the label of the known device. worked with other entites (but they had Mac addresses)
gpslogger needs the label, but one can change the 'name'

@clever mortar thanks for your patience

[clever mortar]

No worries

[velvet hedge]

Anyone manage to set up healthchecks.io with their verizon number? I'm trying to verify the number as an email using verizon's format {mynumber}@vtext.com. I receive the text message, but it doesn't include the link, just the following

(Verify email address on Healthchecks.io) Hello,

To start receiving Healthchecks.io notification to this address,
please follow the link below:

And it cuts off there

I'm trying to monitor their website traffic to figure out how to create the confirmation link, which is in the format https://healthchecks.io/accounts/check_token/abc/def/, but so far can't figure out how to capture the link

[velvet horizon]

@velvet hedge being unkind, posted a message that is more than 15 lines. It is now available at: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SNk8TTxTJB/

[manic galleon]

Google Home Hub gets delivered today

[uneven cobalt]

I'm hoping my Lenovo display gets updated today

[shy comet]

got my google home hub yesterday....this thing is awesome i must say!

[valid patrol]

Hello !! 😃 can anyone help me out with this? https://community.home-assistant.io/t/using-slider-for-blackout-window-blinds/74977

[valid patrol]

anyone? :/

[dry cairn]

bueller .....bueller.............bueller

[green inlet]

Why oh why???? 3 degrees difference! What am I doing wrong ?

[pure vine]

Im a bit confused what is happening there, although it might just need to update

[green inlet]

@pure vine , said the same thing for over an hour. I have just begun to setup my climate control and have no automations. The state should update on its own though right. Climate devices confuse me

[jaunty atlas]

Hi all, it's my first post here and I hope I'm not doing anything wrong.
I bought a house and I had a small home assistant before in my appartment. Now that I can do whatever I want on my setup, I'd like to be able to completely control the heating of my house.
It's a dutch house with floor heating downstairs and several other heaters around the house. There is a honeywell thermostat connected to a main valve for the complete system. Each radiator has a screw physical thermostat and the floor heating has a circulating pump. I'm aiming at reducing our electricity and heating cost by switching off the heating when we don't need it and the pump as well.
To control the pump, I purchased some SonOff devices. But I'm looking for thermostats that can fit on the radiators and report the room temperature to hass. I'd prefer something working well with hass and not through another app or cloud service.

[paper anvil]

Is there a way in the UI to have elements 2x2 or 4x4 tiles ?

right now my cameras are centered in the UI and there is a lot of wassted space ( https://www.dropbox.com/s/giduzwzuvt0zedv/Screenshot 2018-10-25 14.31.26.png?dl=0 )

I'd like to make it 3x3

[orchid rose]

I don't think you can customize the standard UI very much. There's #frontend-archived though which you should check if you haven't

[paper anvil]

yea, I am thinking of digging into that

[quaint vapor]

Anyone got the new Google Home Hub? I just got mine... I'm kinda excited by it.

UI is terrible if you have hass hooked up to it though... I really need to exclude a bunch of entities from google.

@paper anvil Yeah... with lovelace you can absolutely do that, I have it on my front page. 2x3 of camera views.

[last plaza]

@paper anvil put each of the camera or media player in its own group, and they automatically arrange itself. you can also set the order to group using customize.

[shy comet]

@quaint vapor i got one, i only include the entities i want to control and see in google so it works well

yea not much to the UI and had parts of it freeze up alredy lol

[quaint vapor]

yeah, I need to shrink down what I expose.

[shy comet]

my wife already wants another one....works great as a photo frame

[quaint vapor]

yeah.... I wish I could remove the base

I'd hang it on the wall

[normal ferry]

hey guys! I'm back. What's up? Long time no see!

[jade heron]

@crude jewel

[past sorrel]

~Tinkerer

[velvet horizon]

You can find his GitHub at https://github.com/DubhAd/Home-AssistantConfig/ and his blog at https://ceard.tech/

[dense glen]

Does anyone know of the cheapest 13 amp equiv of these? https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/smart-tech/smart-tech/smart-home/smart-monitoring/tp-link-hs110-smart-energy-plug-10161337-pdt.html

Please @ me

[clever mortar]

Many of the Z-Wave ones will do 13A - Fibaro, Aeotec, TKB and others

[dull chasm]

hey tink

@clever mortar

i got a good question

are you sober

[clever mortar]

The answer is... purple

Sadly, yes

[dull chasm]

ok then

[clever mortar]

Later, not so sober, but I'll be driving in a while

[dull chasm]

ok echo -e -n "e" > /dev/ttyACM0 115200 works from cli but not ha ....flashes lights from another funtion in ide of adruino but echo -n "e" > /dev/ttyACM0 115200 doesnt from ha

[clever mortar]

Ummm, somethings wrong with that command

[dull chasm]

the -e is ok in cli but not from ha

[clever mortar]

And why is 115200 at the end?

[dull chasm]

baud rate

[clever mortar]

Yeah, but it's after the redirect, so it's not going to achieve anything

It's like ordering your burger to be with fries after you've left the shop - ain't gonna work

[dull chasm]

well it doesnt work without it

[clever mortar]

Weird

Any errors in the HA log

[dull chasm]

this is serial from pie to arduino

no works great ....but i was using the -e in the command and it keep running a fuction qucikly before running the correct one.....remove the -e and its perfect

[clever mortar]

Oooooh, I wonder...

I suspect one of those is running the shell built in version of echo, and one isn't

Or two different shells

[dull chasm]

got to be

[clever mortar]

Try /bin/echo

[dull chasm]

dont really have to......since removing -e but i wonder if its something that should be investagated further for other issues

you would expect shell_command to run exactly as in cli

[clever mortar]

Well, shell builtin commands, and aliases, can add to the fun

[dull chasm]

right

i may have found a bug but i wonder if it a edge case or something that should be looked into

[clever mortar]

Maybe a bug, but probably more that it's an example of why using the full path (to ensure you run the executable rather than the shell version) is a good idea

[dull chasm]

oh so you are just saying i am stupid enough to get some of it right 🤣

[clever mortar]

🤣

It's one I've learned the hard way myself

[pliant forge]

Any recommendations for light bulbs? I’m assuming yeelight is the best value but looking for opinions.

[dull chasm]

@clever mortar i am putting this unjust crictism on facebag

[clever mortar]

Hey, not my fault you left your brains in the jar this morning 😉

[past sorrel]

Deployed nginx and it is running fine. Made a few changes to confiuration.yaml (based in large part to tinkerer's github) and now get this error when starting home assistant. Unable to set up dependencies of api. Setup failed for dependencies: http

And then connection from outside firewall times out.

Putting it all back and will try again from inside firewall

[fair monolith]

@past sorrel I would add the changes in batches

[shut raptor]

Would you run HA in an lxc container or vm? and I mean venv install

[fair monolith]

I run it in docker, so its using LXC tech

why? because its a great hands off way if you know what you are doing, If you do not know how to use docker, I would go ahead and use venv

[shut raptor]

I run in a docker now on unraid. Im getting a system for esxi or proxmox so I was just pondering the idea.

[fair monolith]

Up to you, there is really no wrong answer

[shut raptor]

gotcha im think vm as i know proxmox can be a pain with lxc and ssh

[fair monolith]

just be warned that a VM is a bit heaver

[shut raptor]

yeah

[fair monolith]

its basically the reason I went to a full docker stack

This poor 2008 macbook would cry If I tried to vm this stuff and my room would be a space heater 😵

[shut raptor]

haha wow 08 macbook nice

well in proxmox to ssh in to the lxc containes you have to go through the host first

so i guess like docker does

[fair monolith]

@shut raptor it has 4 Gb of ram, it was a beast back then

you might be able to bridge the lxc containers

aka they each show up on the network with their own mac and get their own ip

[clever mortar]

#330944238910963714 @jagged iron

In general, please read the channel topics to see where your question is on topic 😉

[normal ferry]

can anyone advice? how can I know if my Rpi2 3 is 32 or 64 bit ?

and additionally , lets say it's 64 bit , will the 32bit-hassos image for Rpi3 work?

cause I see the 64 bit version is still in beta according to the website

https://www.home-assistant.io/hassio/installation/

[clever mortar]

Yes, 32bit versions work on 64bit hardware

And if you were to ask in #330990055533576204 you'd be told to use the 32 bit version

[normal ferry]

thanks @clever mortar 😃 good to see you again! metaphorically speaking

[clever mortar]

👋

[pure vine]

Completed hacktober fest, mostly updating Home assistant docs

although someone else has already fixed the the image

[coarse beacon]

anyone a little experience with LED drivers?

[quaint tapir]

@clever mortar thanks for the tip on gpslogger! far better performance than owntracks!

[coarse beacon]

my woman brought home a LED dimmable light, so far so good. But the light has one of those shitty 2.4 ghz remotes to dimm the LEDs....

Any way I can just bypass thise 2.4ghz receiver and roll with my fibaro dimmer 2?

[clever mortar]

No, but if that's Zigbee you may be able to pair it with a Hue hub or deconz

[pure vine]

wheres the dimmer/driver from

[coarse beacon]

taking pictures for you guys right now

Power comes in -> LED DRIVER -> 2.4GHZ Remote Control Driver -> LED

[clever mortar]

Might be https://www.home-assistant.io/components/light.flux_led/ or https://www.home-assistant.io/components/light.limitlessled/

[coarse beacon]

@clever mortar No it is wifi according to the Driver

@pure vine Well it came with the light 😃

[clever mortar]

2.4 GHz doesn't have to mean WiFi (though Flux LED is Wifi)

[coarse beacon]

https://detail.1688.com/offer/541883708463.html

It's this remote

[clever mortar]

That just says 2.4 GHz RF, which describes Zigbee

Are you sure that it uses WiFi?

[coarse beacon]

I mean according to the receiver yes.

I don't even want to use that remote 😃

[clever mortar]

Try flux_led see if that works

[coarse beacon]

Okay will do! The thing is that I am trying to get rid of my philips hue so I'd prefer being able to use my fibaro Z-Wave Dimmer 2 to control this light

[clever mortar]

You'd have to replace that controller then

[coarse beacon]

replace it with ?

[clever mortar]

With the Fibaro dimmer

[coarse beacon]

So I can rip all the drivers out and have the fibaro dimmer run a calibration on the LED and act as driver?

[clever mortar]

In theory, yes, having checked voltages, current, etc etc etc

I'm assuming the dimmer supports 24V, and the amsp required to run those LEDs

[coarse beacon]

https://manuals.fibaro.com/content/manuals/en/FGD-212/FGD-212-EN-T-v1.3.pdf

let me check before we light the whole place on fire

Thats the dimmer. Reading through it now hoping I won;t get it wrong

[ocean arrow]

Anyone have a good linux/RPi discord group I can utilize?

[clever mortar]

@coarse beacon The manual says 100V and up

The RGBW controller is 12V or 24V

[light trout]

The manual also probably say to contact an electrician if you are unsure 😜

[shut raptor]

@fair monolith I figured out a way to get into ssh without going through the host first. The whole allowroot yes option

[fair monolith]

Cool, I knew there had to be a way

[coarse beacon]

@light trout well yeah but I want to learn and do it myself 😃

[pure vine]

I got the PC power supply to power my 100 WS2811 for my christmas tree

just going to stress test it

[pure vine]

although, i should avoid metering it as i just put 18amps through 10 amp rated Multi Meter probes as i forgot how to mesure amps

[dull chasm]

who has a meter only rated for 10 amps.......mine is rate for 400

[pure vine]

A cheap uni-t one

I want to get a better one, possibly the EEV blog one

[normal ferry]

on a new setup first goes let's encrypt , then duckDNS?

[stable rover]

hassio or not?

[normal ferry]

hassos running hassio

if i'm using the terms correctly

on Rpi3

[stable rover]

then you only need the duckdns addon

read the documentation on it

it comes with lets encrypt

[midnight adder]

?rank other

[slim rampart]

@midnight adder, you joined Other.

[normal ferry]

another quick question - supposedly having setup my duckDNS domain and everything , if I port forward TCP traffic on port 443 to <hassioIP>:8123 shouldn't that work ?

[rare plover]

@stable rover @normal ferry I'm having zero success trying to set up duckdns today

[midnight adder]

😭😭😭

[shy comet]

oops

[clever mortar]

@normal ferry Yes, doing that will then work for https://example.duckdns.org/ - but if your router doesn't support NAT loopback then it may only work from outside your network

[tall anchor]

have anyone configured a IKEA Trådfri remote with deconz? as in being able to use it in homeassistant to do more than just control a few lights

tricky to google, or I'm probably just not using the correct terms

[tall escarp]

@tall anchor yes

[tall anchor]

any links to where to start?

[tall escarp]

The components documentation is a good start. There are example automations

[tall anchor]

I'll have a look again, thanks!

[tall escarp]

@tall anchor or do you mean how to pair the remote with deconz?

[tall anchor]

that's already done, I'd like to bind different keys to different actions. like pressing the powerbutton would turn on all lights at home, not just the ones paired with the remote

I was thinking of triggering some node-red automation or similar for that

[tall escarp]

Ok. Well the examples should get you started

[tall anchor]

I can't seem to find any examples beyond basic configuration, but I'm pretty sure I've seen some kind of examples for using the remote, I'm probably just blind 😄

[tall escarp]

At the bottom of the deConz hub page there are automation examples @tall anchor

[tall anchor]

https://www.home-assistant.io/components/sensor.deconz/ <--- literally just saw this

that was the page I've previously seen but couldn't seem to find again

[tall escarp]

https://www.home-assistant.io/components/deconz/

[hearty depot]

I just try to revive my old MacBook Pro from Early 2011 The grate one with a brolken graphics chip
Want to install ESXi on it but dont get past the Initial check.. Tips?

[tall anchor]

@tall escarp as it turns out, I can easily see the key pushes on my ikea remote in my node red debug log, so all of this was an non-issue lol

the remote is paired with deconz

[tall escarp]

👍🏻

[tall anchor]

thanks for helping me

[tall escarp]

Yw

[tall anchor]

{"event_type":"deconz_event","event":{"id":"pruttkoll","event":1002}}

short press power button

[dull chasm]

@tall escarp this still haunts the unifi device tracker

/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py:860: InsecureRequestWarning: Unverified HTTPS request is being made. Adding certificate verification is strongly advised. See: https://urllib3.readthedocs.io/en/latest/advanced-usage.html#ssl-warnings
  InsecureRequestWarning)

contanstly every 10 seconds lol

[tall escarp]

@dull chasm yes. That is still a separate implementation

[dull chasm]

yea i know

[tall escarp]

Will fix it going forward. But it will take some time

Device tracker as a whole needs an overhaul

[dull chasm]

i wonder why verify_ssl: false doesnt work

[tall escarp]

It does. But requests allways prints that

[light trout]

requests.packages.urllib3.disable_warnings() ?

or:

import urllib3
urllib3.disable_warnings()

[dull chasm]

what ya talking about willis? 🤣

@light trout

[light trout]

A way of disabling those warnings, not sure how accepted it is though :/

[dull chasm]

where would that go

[light trout]

At the top of the .py file, directly under all other imports

[dull chasm]

here https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant/blob/bff1e1ff6c9bbb223c0df959fd62f78aedb22e2e/homeassistant/components/device_tracker/unifi.py#L17

both of them lines

[light trout]

I theory yes, but the warning are probably prodused by pyunifi and not the component, so not sure it will help all that much 🤷

Worth a try

[pure vine]

Anyone using the new thermostat lovelace card, Im seeing people with stuck card titles

[dull chasm]

I dont use it but it was hardcoded in code by mistake....hot fix is coming

[light trout]

#frontend-archived would also be the best place for #frontend-archived questions/issues 😃

[normal ferry]

Has it happened for anyone using more than one xiaomi gateways (namely the AC companion) to not have the zigbee devices reported to HA?
I decided to separate my devices based on which GW is closer, and I can see no device from the AC one. The lumi one reports just fine.

I tried doing all steps from the connectivity portion of documentation

All possible combinations and still nothing

I know that AC partner is not supported according to the documentation (except the last iteration by AQARA) but I assume this means the AC functions correct? All AC gateways should report devices.

[jagged mantle]

my rpi 3 b+ is saying under voltage detected even when im using an 5v 2.4A charger, any ideas on how to fix it?

[dull chasm]

then charger is not putting out like it says it should

[jagged mantle]

ive tried with two different ones

[dull chasm]

good ones or cheap

[jagged mantle]

two different models but same specs

i dont remember

[fair monolith]

so cheap?

@jagged mantle plug it into an apple charger if you have one, if that fails then your cable sucks

[jagged mantle]

oh forgot to try changing cable 🤦

[fair monolith]

ya, dont use the gas station cables

[tame cove]

im thinking about placing HA on a small mini computer with S-ATA , so that it can also monitor the IP camera's or is a RP3 still be powerful enough ?

[jagged mantle]

i know for a fact that it isnt an gas station cable beacuse for the first reseason we have never bought an cable at a gas station and second its from google

[fair monolith]

well, google has been known to fail standards and do their own thing

@tame cove if you try to monitor ip cameras with a pi3.... you are in a world of hurt

[tame cove]

Holo : yes it is just way to slow ...

[jagged mantle]

changed cable now but now the icon is not blinking on and off with some seconds between but its solid instead but i dont get any errors in console

[fair monolith]

@jagged mantle is that red LED solid?

[tame cove]

Holo: do you maybe have experience with a good and stable (and cheap:P) mini PC with a 1TB disk

[fair monolith]

Nope. Im planning on just spending $600 on an intel NUC or look into that new unifi cloud key 2 and see if it can accept ip cameras and not just their own .

[halcyon bluff]

@slim vortex https://github.com/arendst/Sonoff-Tasmota/issues/4003

[tame cove]

im looking for a good sonoff switch for my roller shutter

sonoff with Tasmota runs very well here

[jagged mantle]

@fair monolith its off

[fair monolith]

Off?

[jagged mantle]

yeah

the red led

[fair monolith]

Ya, then it’s not getting enough power

It will be solid red if it was

[jagged mantle]

well shit

i dont understand why tho

[fair monolith]

Like I said, the cable or your wall plug

[jagged mantle]

an 2.4amp should be enough

[fair monolith]

I’m assuming your wall plug

[jagged mantle]

nope tried an ipad charger still red off, it turned on solid when i shutdown tho

[lethal dust]

I just realize I can stop a Google Home alarm or timer by turning up/down the volume

no need to shout "ok google stop" anymore 😁

[tame cove]

is there someone here who has experience with connecting a roller shutter to a sonoff device ?

[clever mortar]

@tame cove Try #diy-archived

[hearty depot]

wtf - I got a Broken Macbook Pro (A1286) laying arond and found a awesome guide:
http://ales.io/2014/03/09/how-to-bake-a-mac.html
or a perfectly golden and crunchy crust make sure you leave it in there for precisely around 7 minutes.
Stare nervously at your expensive piece of machinery slowly roasting

[dull chasm]

yep you got a half biten fruit

[past sorrel]

~tinkerer

[velvet horizon]

You can find his GitHub at https://github.com/DubhAd/Home-AssistantConfig/ and his blog at https://ceard.tech/

[dull chasm]

,vasiley

.vasiley

[velvet horizon]

Have a Walk Around https://github.com/Vasiley

[dull chasm]

dang had to try to hard

[clever mortar]

🤣

[fair monolith]

@jagged mantle how long are your cables

[jagged mantle]

@fair monolith about a meter for the one working and like a decimeter for the ones not

im just going to order an real power adapter instead

[fair monolith]

so..... 3 feet vs 10?

[jagged mantle]

around 3 foot for the one working and around 4 inch for the ones not working

but they might just be too weak

[clever mortar]

Thickness of the wires inside will make a big difference

And sadly stiff cables doesn't mean thick wires, just that the whole cable is stiff - could be insulation or shielding

[jagged mantle]

yeah that was what i was thinking

im going to get an rpi power adapter instead for 8$ as that seems to be the best option

[shut sonnet]

Man this software is awesome I can literally do anything with it

[dull chasm]

@clever mortar so your saying thickness means nothing?

[velvet horizon]

Tinkerer is away for 6m 45s with a message :point_right: Gone Fission

[ruby finch]

Hello all.

It's been six months since I retired my home assistant installation because I got fed up at not doing what I was expecting it to do. What have I missed since?

[vast dove]

.changelog

[velvet horizon]

https://www.home-assistant.io/lovelace/changelog/

[dull chasm]

well thats a loaded question...was it doing it doing what you told it too .....computers are kinda like that

[ruby finch]

Haha the problem was with me, not the software @dull chasm 😄

I'd come on here, hassle someone who knew lots more than me about something, work it out by banging my head against a brick wall, then something would break and I would be at square 1 again

[dull chasm]

well get stronger bricks to bang head on and we can surely help ya after ya head hurts.....maybe ..... 🤣

but serioulsy we will help ya with you let us....just gotta do some work to ask decent questions

.ask

[velvet horizon]

When you do ask a question, try to provide as much background detail as possible. Ask yourself these questions first so that others don't have to:

1. What version of the software are you running?
2. What's your operating system?
3. What exactly are you trying to do that won't work?
4. Is the problem uniform or erratic?
5. What's the exact error message?
6. When did it arise?
7. What exactly don't you "get"?
8. Can you provide sample code, ideally with line errors where the error occurs?

[ruby finch]

Yeah for sure

it was more a "hiya again I'm gonna be annoying you again once I get started" 😄

[dull chasm]

i will permlink you to @vast dove

[ruby finch]

it was mostly tinkerer I HASSled

geddit

[vast dove]

I'm at your service!

[pure vine]

From the hacktober fest dashboard, i asusme they havent got the first 50,000 compleations, but its uncleas what it means

[normal ferry]

I give up - i've tried every possible scenario and I still cannot figure out why this xiaomi gateway cannot report sensors (and is not detectable at all) by HA

any ideas are welcome

actually I just found this - is this true? can someone verify ?

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/aqara-air-conditioning-controller-advanced-cannot-connnect/50239/9

[midnight adder]

im coming to terms with blue iris being my best option for vidya cameras

[dry cairn]

🏆

[wide kite]

?rank other

[slim rampart]

@wide kite, you joined Other.

[burnt berry]

?rank other

[slim rampart]

@burnt berry, you joined Other.

[quartz ether]

Yay my PR is merged into the docs

https://www.home-assistant.io/components/sensor.template/#template-tracking

[low harness]

If that works, it’s a bug. now.strptime is not an entity.

Besides Using entity_id: sensor.date would be much better since you hardly need this sensor so update every millisecond.

[quartz ether]

Lol thats a straight copy from the "Working with Dates" template from above. with the addition of the entity_id

 - platform: template
   sensors:
#Day of the Year
     dayofyear:
       value_template: "{{ now().strftime('%j') }}"
       icon_template: mdi:calendar-today
       entity_id: now.strftime

This is in my config and works, as to why I used the now.strptime in the example

[tall anchor]

so my node-red wont start anymore, running on hassio without issues before. where do I find the startup logs? the log window in the hassio section of HA doesn't display anything?

[quartz ether]

Have you clicked the "Press the button to load the full Home Assistant log." at the bottom of the 'dev-info' page?

Also ask in #330990055533576204 or #node-red-archived since they are more related then the lounge where it is meant for shit talking 😛

[tall anchor]

nope, will try! and I thought this was a good starting point to ask questions in 😃

ah I've tried to look at that log plus the node-red page specific log but no mentions of why it doesn't work

I'll try in hassio

thanks 😃

[light trout]

now.strptime did not work for me when I tested it yesterday

[light trout]

@low harness ☝

[low harness]

Ok. Does sensor.time work?

That should make it update once per minute.

[light trout]

Not sure, I have never used that for anything, but sun.sun works

[stable rover]

sensor time works for me

[mossy zealot]

~tinkerer

[velvet horizon]

You can find his GitHub at https://github.com/DubhAd/Home-AssistantConfig/ and his blog at https://ceard.tech/

[quaint tapir]

what's the name of the china webcams that allow a custom firmware? and are they any good?

[dry cairn]

xiaomi and wyze cam and no

[quaint tapir]

@dry cairn thanks, do you have any?

[dry cairn]

yeah and they suck

[quaint tapir]

shall I rather go with a raspy zero W and cam module?

[dry cairn]

after you buy the sd card and the cam you can buy a 50$ reolink

[amber bramble]

the $50 reolinks are pretty good for the price

[hearty depot]

Well sensor.time works here - Rather than platform: time

[pure vine]

$50 for a pizero cam is expesive

• £5.99 for a 16gb sd card from amazon

£33.29 for base matrials with out case

[pure vine]

the home hub is £139, not to bad

[orchid rose]

does anyone have one? Does it really add anything compared to just having a GH?

[shy comet]

@orchid rose i got one its amazing as a digital photo frame and i love the visual feedback from assistant queries

wife wants another one too

[orchid rose]

is the feedback useful at all or just "cool"?

[shy comet]

depends, stuff like the weather is nice since it shows the forecast

if you ask for a term taht shows up on wikipedia, you can scroll down click on the link and get a "browser"

no keyboard or URL bar though so you can only click on stuff and explore pages

some apps do video, but not all....i personally like how it displays the text of your reminders

[orchid rose]

I've mostly thought about it being useful in the kitchen for me, but for that 140£ is a bit deep

maybe if it had decent speakers as well to work as a multiroom audio device, but I guess that would have made the price a lot higher

[shy comet]

yea for teh kitchen its great for recipes....honestly after having one for about a week kinda want more lol

[pliant forge]

How are the speakers? On the gh hub.

[shy comet]

decent...not as good as the gh but loud enough

[pliant forge]

So in between the gh and mini, that’s good enough

[timid finch]

Hey all, is anyone using Traefik for dockers? What are the benefits over nginx reverse-proxy etc?

[quartz ether]

@timid finch ask in #449717345808547842 you might get a better answer this channel is for talking shit

[timid finch]

Thanks. I’ve had enough of Traefik anyway. I’m going back to caddy.

[eager trench]

Caddy is so much easier to setup and actually makes sense

[eager trench]

forum seems to be down at the moment

[viscid sable]

yeah I just noticed that @eager trench

[jagged mantle]

on my rpi 3 b+ one of the pins inside the micro usb slot is bent so i cant power it, what should i do now?

[dry cairn]

whip out the manual to find the pins that can take power in

[agile sinew]

@jagged mantle http://bfy.tw/KbxV

[dry cairn]

😂 perfect

[agile sinew]

@dry cairn i try

[jagged mantle]

i bent it back and now it works, half shitty but it works atleast

[jagged mantle]

if i tell my google home to set my rgbw strip to white it just sets it to an white made with r,g and blue and not the white leds. do anyone know the right command, beacuse set rgb to white dosnt work

[orchid rose]

sounds like a problem with the hub you're using. On my milights it always sets it to the white only

[jagged mantle]

i can set it manually thru hass but not by voice

it might not recognize it as rgbw

[orchid rose]

oh interesting

have you tried to change to "warm white", "white" or "cold white"?

[jagged mantle]

yeah

[orchid rose]

and what if you have an automation changing the lights to "white"? Does it then go to the proper white or not?

[jagged mantle]

it works in hass its just google home witch seems to not recognize it as an rgbw but just an rgb

[orchid rose]

but surely google home shouldn't have anything to do with it? As far as I can understand, google just tells Hass to change the light to "white" and then hass decides the best way to do that depending on the different options

I could be wrong though, I only have RGBW and not RGB lights to test it with

[jagged mantle]

no, you add the lights to the home app and google talk with the home app who talks with hass

so google home app changes to its white and then hass recives that white

but and technician at google found out it was called "bright white"

[orchid rose]

so with the command "bright white" it goes to the proper white?

[jagged mantle]

no set rgb to bright white

bright white is the correct color name

[orchid rose]

are the lights you have warm or cold white btw?

[jagged mantle]

ww

[orchid rose]

that's weird then. And are you using google assistant or the cloud?

[jagged mantle]

?

[orchid rose]

or do you not have google home integrated with hass?

[jagged mantle]

google home dosnt know i have a warm white light

not hass either

its just an white light and then i have a warm white strip connected to it

[orchid rose]

I'm very confused on what your set up is

[jagged mantle]

google home --> hass --> mqtt --> led controller --> rgbww strip

[orchid rose]

and are you using the https://www.home-assistant.io/components/google_assistant/ or the cloud?

[jagged mantle]

the link

[orchid rose]

okay. For me GH->Hass->Led controller->rgbww works perfectly fine

so maybe it's the mqtt part?

[jagged mantle]

no

[orchid rose]

or then again how can it be when it works without gh...

[jagged mantle]

it seems that you dont understand the setup

would you mind jumping into voice chat for easier comunication?

[orchid rose]

could be, there's a lot of things I don't understand 😛

[pure vine]

when do digital ocean contact you about the t-shirt with hacktoberfest i got 5 prs on saturday

[light trout]

I had 5 oct .1, got a mail on saturday

[pure vine]

Ah, ok, so i assume i have to wait for the end of the month

[rancid imp]

Hey guys

[mossy zealot]

~Tinkerer

[velvet horizon]

You can find his GitHub at https://github.com/DubhAd/Home-AssistantConfig/ and his blog at https://ceard.tech/

[clever mortar]

See also #botspam for talking to the bot 😉

[coarse beacon]

morning 😃

[molten flax]

hey all! does anyone have any recommendations as to whats the best mqtt broker out of the 3 popular options mentioned? Mosquitto, EMQ, or Mosca.

[clever mortar]

It'll depend in part on what you run it on - Mosquitto is the only one of those three that's C, and so relatively self contained. Mosca requires Node.js, and EMQ uses Erlang

More to the point, best is subjective and will depend on what features you want. HA's built in use of (Python based) HBMQTT may be the best for your use case, who knows 😉

[molten flax]

@clever mortar - My issue now is to get around all of my esp8266 devices taking a good few minutes to reconnect to mqtt everytime i reboot hass

so im trying to run a standalone service so i dont have drops in my data

As a big fan of elixir/erlang, i may look at EMQ 😄

[clever mortar]

Mosquitto is typically the default choice, and if you're running Hass.io is available as an add-on

[molten flax]

i was going to choose on performance (cpu/mem usage)

yeah i may go mosquitto as its C

should be the better performer

completely standard home assistant install (not hass.io)

[clever mortar]

Other advantage of mosquitto is lots of folks run it, so if you have issues, more can help

[molten flax]

Yeah, that's basically answered my question perfectly.

Thanks @clever mortar

[clever mortar]

NP

[molten flax]

Just realised this in the 0.81 release notes: To go with the configuration entry support, MQTT also now also integrates with the device registry.

as a bit of a hass idiot, im not too sure what device registry is

[coarse beacon]

Good morning :_

[clever mortar]

@molten flax It's a thing for allowing more stuff to be done through the UI instead of just YAML

[coarse beacon]

So I got this cool Zigbee LED Dimmer to control a white LEDs

I obviously see + for +v , is the C for COM -> negative ?

[clever mortar]

Surely it came with a manual?

[coarse beacon]

yeah I wish

that's all 😄

[clever mortar]

Well, you've three labelled locations, and presumably three wires, so what's the worst that can happen 😛

[low harness]

That's the least German thing I've ever seen stamped with "Gmbh".

[coarse beacon]

hahaha the worst? Probably electrocute a hamster or so lol

@low harness yeah the documentation is shitty

[coarse beacon]

don't want to connect the LED strip though before I exactly know how because I really just got one shot to get it right lol

[clever mortar]

You're unlikely to damage them - it's not impossible, but it's highly unlikely

[coarse beacon]

so i guess just quickly connect and disconnect them in case off

[coarse beacon]

@clever mortar got it working! Thanks 😃

[past sorrel]

@clever mortar - Thank you TONS for sharing your HA env on github. I used it a lot when deploying nginx in my HA env the past week. Can ask you a question concerning nginx here in the lounge?

[clever mortar]

Sure

I may not know the answer, but maybe you'll be lucky 😛

[past sorrel]

Specific to your domain.conf. When setting up my / location, if I keep the two lines for basic auth and the last two lines concerning the Bearer token, I can't login to HA. I make it past the .htaccess login and I'm prompted for HA credentials, but when entered the login fails.

The Bearer token DOES work for me for api/google_assistant

[clever mortar]

I'll admit I've never tried to access the UI from outside - just the API

Let me try and see what happens

[past sorrel]

OK, fair enough

Cool, thanks!

[clever mortar]

That worked for me, got prompted for the NGINX auth details, entered those and got the HA login screen

Right up until I clicked on something...

[past sorrel]

Same for me. But will it accept your HA creds?

[clever mortar]

It did

But now I'm in the UI, I'm getting NGINX prompting me for creds

🤔 I wonder if the use of the Bearer token breaks the UI

I'm just going to try something

[past sorrel]

Hmmmmm. Once I worked through it, I kinda didn't expect the login prompt with the LLT present

[clever mortar]

Yeah, you get the login prompt because you have to have that for the UI

[past sorrel]

makes since

I currently don't have a location for /api/webhooks setup. But I did convert my node red over to use LLAT. All is working. Is it working because the bearer token is present for /, Which is breaking UI access? To complete the project, I should setup a location for /api/webhooks, with the beared token and remove the bearer token from /.

[clever mortar]

I've removed the embedded Bearer line now from everything other than /api/gpslogger

[past sorrel]

Does it all still work? Even google_assistant? GA is the piece I used to walk through it learn. Client <-> Proxy, and Proxy <-> HA.

[clever mortar]

I don't actually use GA any more, I've gone cloud:

[past sorrel]

Gotcha

[clever mortar]

It should though, since it does for gpslogger

[past sorrel]

It does, my GA is workng

through the proxy

OK, awesome. I will remove it from /. And then see what happens to node-red (/api/webhooks.

Thanks so much for your help and time!!

[clever mortar]

No worries

[past sorrel]

I'm a dummy, I don't need /api/webhooks open through the proxy. It's internal on my network. Palm to face!!!!

Node-red is internal

[past sorrel]

~Tinkerer

[velvet horizon]

You can find his GitHub at https://github.com/DubhAd/Home-AssistantConfig/ and his blog at https://ceard.tech/

[mossy zealot]

@clever mortar any word on GPS logger to with with new auth login method?

[clever mortar]

https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant/issues/15376 @mossy zealot

[pure vine]

I would like if the access token could be put in API_PASSWORD

[ruby finch]

Could someone argue for or against a cloud based CCTV system Vs an IP cam system for me?

[clever mortar]

Local: Always works, can be stolen (or otherwise lost) and you have no evidence.
Cloud: Relies upon your Internet working. Harder to suffer a total loss, but not impossible.

[ruby finch]

Preferences?

[clever mortar]

Personal choice entirely

I'm probably going to end up with a bit of both, because I'd like a smart doorbell (Cloud), but I've got some PoE cameras (local)

[ruby finch]

I want one to be objectively better than the other 😂

[clever mortar]

Rarely ever the case

[ruby finch]

Would make decisions easier

[clever mortar]

It's always a case of working out which set of trade-offs work for you the best

[ruby finch]

I suspect I'd get a really good set of IP cams for the £600 a decent cloud kit appears to cost

[clever mortar]

The Hi-Watch camera I've got is 4K, supports motion detection and recording to network storage (with a bunch of caveats) and cost about £60

It's actually rather good, overall,

[ruby finch]

I have a spare pc that I could put SSDs in and have a decent low impact server

[clever mortar]

I'm using a Pi with an SSD on USB storage, it works

[ruby finch]

I have about 4 spare 256gb SSDs from a recent workplace upgrade 😂

Zonekeeper?

[clever mortar]

I'm purely using the camera and it's own software

I tried using Zonekeeper, but the quality wasn't as good as when done by the camera itself

[ruby finch]

Oh interesting...

[clever mortar]

Probably partly that's down to using a Pi, but partly because it has to decode the image stream, then recode it

[ruby finch]

Yeah that makes sense

Finding a decent ipcam on Amazon looks like needing to kiss a lot of frogs....

[clever mortar]

HiWatch IPC-T140, cheap, solid, works well (for me, so far)

[pure vine]

wow drools is heavy

[dry cairn]

they been renamed to chinavision since you be having the chinese gov watching you

[white fog]

Google China. Sees all, knows all. 😉

[pure vine]

ponders the fact both people who did china comments have rick and morty Profile pics

[dry cairn]

and the reports of spyware

[vale shale]

I am pretty sure that @amber bramble recommended these to me. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B4BKJOK/ref=crt_ewc_title_dp_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A15NUCR7ITLOD6 He said that there was something in the firmware where night vision was not working or that something wasn't right. Do you still recommend these?

[amber bramble]

I'm still happy with them for the price

I get some occasional motion tearing in BlueIris. Nightvision is great though

there are no actual lights on outside

what looks like a porch light is the IR from my front door camera

[vale shale]

Thanks! I think that I will try one!

[dry cairn]

whatever you do don t order em from reolink directly they take forever to get here

get em frm amazon

[vale shale]

That is my plan.

[honest geode]

How's going ?!

[jagged mantle]

I don't know if this is the right server to post this on but we who live in Europe needs to demonstrate against the new article 13 the EU want to take in action. The article will make companies like YouTube responsible for all copyrighted content on their site and to protect them self nearly close down the site, this will affect all other websites and social medias too as they will stand for all content there which is not possible in the scale of YouTube and Facebook for example. Please help me and everyone else in the EU to save the internet.

[dry cairn]

spam somewhere else

[jagged mantle]

what is spam with that

[dry cairn]

this is homeassistant not petition assistant

[jagged mantle]

"For chat around thing that aren't Home assistant releated...."

[dry cairn]

nobody cares

you ruined that all by yourself in EU

[jagged mantle]

no

how did i do that?

[quartz ether]

Goodbye

[jagged mantle]

?

[dry cairn]

you heard the man move along

[white fog]

Fucks given = 0.000000000

When you ask Daddy government to protect you from everything, it rarely work out the way you like.

[white fog]

Lol

[dry cairn]

the bad man was mean to mean to me on the internet .....ok we will censor it .......can someone help me save the internet we beeing censored...

[white fog]

Seriously

@pure vine ponders the fact that some rando on the internet thinks equating a cartoon with anything is deep.
El.oh.el. bored sigh

[jagged mantle]

ill leave this topic now but i just want to say that you apparently don't know what article 13 is and that we couldn't vote on it

[dry cairn]

nope and we don't care

my internet is still free so np

[jagged mantle]

it will affect you too only so you know that

[dry cairn]

prolly not

[ruby finch]

Wow weirdly hostile. Wouldn't it be fairer to say (if it is the case) "we're on a different continent so not directly affected"

rather than oddly political comments about daddy government?

🤔

[dry cairn]

nope

[jagged mantle]

i dont understand why they need to be so hostile

there's no need for that

[ruby finch]

Appreciate that someone has come on here and copy-pasted something without participating in community first

but all the same

[dry cairn]

here we go

[ruby finch]

poor online etiquette doesn't excuse further poor online etiquette

[dry cairn]

run mario before the snake ppl get ya

[jagged mantle]

ive been here for quite some time and i didnt copy paste it

[white fog]

@ruby finch nah, that's pretty much the point. Spammy political whinging is annoying no matter where you are from.

[dry cairn]

^^^

[ruby finch]

you might get a more relevant discussion if you wait until more EU residents are online

[white fog]

poof

[ruby finch]

@white fog you can only speak for yourself there

You don't speak for me, or anybody else

[dry cairn]

religion and politics don t belong

[jagged mantle]

i learned from my mistake now that people here dont give a shit about EU so ill not do it again

[ruby finch]

Can we please focus on Rampart?

😄

[dry cairn]

tell us more

[white fog]

@ruby finch wouldn't dream of it. My opinions are my own.

But sure. 😂👍

[ruby finch]

You did speak for everybody. You made the assumption that political whinging which annoys you would annoy everyone

Check your previous comment

[dry cairn]

first they whine and whine then they get regulated and whine even more 🤷

[white fog]

Only because it's annoying in general.

[ruby finch]

to you*

there you go again

[white fog]

Lol ok GG. 👍

[dry cairn]

@white fog you can t win against the snake ppl they will always get you with word twisting

[ruby finch]

as much as I'm enjoying this pointless argument I have to take my toddler to nursery 👋

[white fog]

I'm out as well. Had my fill of others being offended on behalf of others for the day. 😂🤦
Have a nice day all.

[dry cairn]

😂

[quartz ether]

Home Assistant is an international forum. The fact that the EU did this thing 13 without letting the EU vote on it means if Americans come along and say "please don't do that" they REALLY aren't going to care. So what you should be doing is finding a forum that is EU based or consists mostly of EU members and discuss there about how to stop it.

The correct post here should have been " Have you guys heard of the thingy 13 that is happening in the EU"

[dry cairn]

👆

[quartz ether]

Not a plea for help as if we can some how magically fix it

[dry cairn]

all self inflicted nobody to blame but themselves

[jagged mantle]

for the first thing i said "i dont know if this is the right server to post this in" and second i thought there were more EU people

[dry cairn]

want some cheese with that whine? that's what happens when you complain too much someone will step in and ruin it then you complain again ..... as far as i'm concerned you over there got exactly what you deserved maybe you guys learned a valuable lesson

[jagged mantle]

i still dont understand why you need to be so hostile about it

[quartz ether]

I don't know why this is still going.

[dry cairn]

because i can

[jagged mantle]

theres no need for that

[dry cairn]

aww would you like me to call you a whaaaambulance?

[jagged mantle]

i cant see what is wrong with you

[dry cairn]

and i dunno why you still talking

[jagged mantle]

because you apparently don't know how to be nice

[dry cairn]

the world isn t nice <<<<protip

[jagged mantle]

it would be without people like you

[dry cairn]

but maybe if you complain about it a lil more someone will step in and regulate it

[white fog]

👼 🐍 ❄

Is like to report myself for being aggressive in my not caring about Captain Planet.

[dry cairn]

oh no you didn't bring captain planet nto this

[white fog]

@dry cairn he assumed my gender when he told me to recycle even after I told him I identified as an attack helicopter. The nerve....

[dry cairn]

you know i always wondered why there isn't any attack helicopter bathrooms

TO FACEBAG !!!

[white fog]

Right!? I'm starting a petition. Online, of course.

[dull chasm]

yall have had enough fun in lounge....

[dry cairn]

i wonder if i go to home depot and complain about no attack helicopter bathrooms if i can get a rub n tuck oilchange from one of the ppl there

[white fog]

@dull chasm yes sir. 😑 I'll be in my room.

[dry cairn]

TO THE LAIR !!!

[white fog]

I'M BATMAN!

[jagged mantle]

what did this end in

[quartz ether]

The mods saying stop it.

[jagged mantle]

ive left the topic i just wondered what this has ended with

[quartz ether]

Or batman's lair depending on how you look at it

[pure vine]

OK, on that artical 13 chat, given that a few people, and some of whom are large members of the project are from the EU, that "fuck off, were American" is extremely closed minded, one of the large hass.io plugin makers is from the Netherlands, if one day the owner of the software that he made a hass.io plugin for was all like "I don't like that" and used artical 13 to pull it down, that would negitivly affect home assistant. Home assistant is international and just because your from America and it doesn't affect you doesn't mean its irrelevant to the project

Also what about the images we use on the docs, some are copyrighted and are submitted by EU based contributors, github might need to remove them for that reason

While legal under fair use in most places, article 13 is indiscriminate and the bots it requires will remove them

[dull chasm]

I had asked to cease as not proper place. Thanks in advance

[pure vine]

For chat around things that aren't Home Assistant related, like whether Docker or Kubernites, or Celcius or Kelvin, or that thing that begins with F, or... well, you get the idea this seems like the perfect place, it is basicly #offtopic

[pliant forge]

Not in the EU and didn’t hear about article 13 until now, so thanks for bringing it up. Also thanks @dull chasm for the civility, the previous hostility was unnecessary.

[pure vine]

the only issue was we had 2 people being abrasive about it

[low harness]

If we can't just drop it, let's at least stay out of who-did-what discussions.

[graceful sierra]

You know that thing, where you know absolutely no Python (or, didn't a few days ago).
You've set up a bunch of motion sensors and lights in automations.yaml, and it works fine.
You spend several days making your first appdaemon python script, and after 10s of hours of sweat and tears (and more tears), it finally works!
The light turns on when you enter the bathroom if the light leves are low (and a bunch of other conditions) just like when using your yaml automation!
Excited, you run to your girlfriend, and start explaining. After a few minutes of explaining, she looks at you, and says:
"Sooo... you're saying that nothing's changed, the lights do exactly what they've always done? That's nice, honey."
Kind of anti-climatic...🙄

[low harness]

You worked on it for several days and NOTHING broke! That must be worth something in her eyes too.

[graceful sierra]

Ahahahhaa, everything broke, several times. I'm just back to everything that used to work still does. But unfortunately, she doesn't really appreciate that (hence, my need to share in the lounge 🙂 )

[low harness]

Great job, @graceful sierra !

[graceful sierra]

Thant's what I needed to hear 😀 Thanks!

[still sundial]

Good job, @graceful sierra . And now you've learned much so you can do more with the next home project!

[jagged mantle]

do someone have some ideas of what i can program my google home to do?

[light trout]

speak

[orchid rose]

for what I use it mostly for is turning on lights when I need to outside of automations and asking random questions

and I did set up a good night and good morning routine as well that I'm trying to get used to right now

[jagged mantle]

the problem for me is that not everything is available in swedish so i have it set to both english and swedish but the problem then is that it sometimes takes the wrong language

[white fog]

@graceful sierra nice work man. Don't worry, the significant others seldom appreciate the maximum effort, unless they notice it is broken. 😁

[amber bramble]

I'm going through the same thing with my wife right now 😂

"look at this, it automatically turns the lights on outside when we pull up after dark, and then turns the entryway light on when we open the front door and one button press will turn all the lights off in the house when we leave"
"yeah well your stupid light switch in the nursery doesn't work" (zigbee fan module that's just on the edge of being in range... need to strengthen the mesh but $$ and there's a RF remote for the fan and light literally hanging beside the light switch...)

[graceful sierra]

@white fog Thanks! But let's be honest. This isn't one of those things I'm doing for her. So it's OK that she isn't blown away.
@amber bramble Yup, but don't worry, we appreciate it!

[amber bramble]

last time she complained about something i pointed out how she asks alexa to turn off the bedroom light almost every night after she gets in bed 😛

[white fog]

It's rather amusing, I set up a bunch of things like motion triggers for front porch and set up Alexa and Harmony remote etc. Wife says " why do you ask Alexa to turn things of at night instead of using the remote? 😂

[pallid path]

Hey all is there anyone from Prague or know someone McKinsey Prague office

One of their employe probably commuting suicide and I am trying to reach someone who can help

[last plaza]

google it, and call the local authorities

[clever mortar]

Damn, that's bad

[pallid path]

This is a crowded group so I want to try give a shot

[clever mortar]

[phone]

[clever mortar]

Snap 😉

[pallid path]

@last plaza we already done that but they didn’t answer the phone I already called my embassy in Prague. Hope I can reach somebody thanks for your help

[last plaza]

best would be to post it on their facebook account, call local authorities... I doubt anyone here can help you @pallid path

use the power of social media for situations like this... if not what's the point of social networks?

[clever mortar]

They've also got a global twitter account

[last plaza]

yes - go to linked in, and search for the company, and I am sure you can find people who work there

[pallid path]

I contacted via LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook then I realized maybe I can reach somebody from discord groups.

[last plaza]

@pallid path appreciate you doing this... I know it is sad to hear that news.... good luck! 🙏

[pallid path]

So thanks for your advices have a goodnight and sorry for interrupt

[little scroll]

phew thank god for google tts on hassio... been running late today and missed the barber shop for my hair cut! but i have successfully pulled it all out now 😃 and still not text to speech

[near flare]

would anyone recommend these led's for HA?
https://www.amazon.ca/150LEDs-5050SMD-Remote-Control-Supply/dp/B01N8XCKNE/ref=sr_1_4?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1541118919&sr=1-4&keywords=led+strip
is there anyway to connect them to HA without using IR?

[tough igloo]

@near flare something like this may work
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/bcM3bEH7

[near flare]

maybe

[tough igloo]

Can be used with the magic light component or you can flash with tasmota

I have a few of them I have used for RGB and RGBW led strips I picked up at Bunnings (hardware store)

[near flare]

@tough igloo is this the same thing?:
https://www.amazon.ca/Tomshine-DC5-28V-Controller-Activated-Changing/dp/B06Y584C6V/ref=nav_signin?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1541126130&sr=1-4&keywords=wifi+led+controller&

[tough igloo]

Looks like it probably is. If it uses the Magic Light app then it will work.

[near flare]

@tough igloo Ok I will try it thanks I would much rather buy off amazon because shipping times are way shorter

[molten flax]

Hey all, does anyone else here from the UK have a nest 3rd gen and opentherm boiler? got a few quick q's

[brisk furnace]

hey everyone - looking to get people's opinions on what could be the issue with my pihole setup, I've added openhab.org to the blocklist, and attempting to navigate there does not properly block my request, my setup is as follows:

Router - Asus RT AC 1750 with dns server pointed to my raspberry pi with pihole loaded, but manages manually assigned DHCP IP addresses
Raspberrypi - pihole with dnsmasq (successfully redirects name.duckdns.org entries back to my home assistant instance so why that works and not the blocklist is beyond my comprehension
devices - no manually assigned settings in the devices, only assigned through the router and pihole (if it's working)

any ideas where to look?

it seems like only the itself is referring to itself for dns requests

[tame cove]

hi everyone

im stil looking for a nice and powerfull mini server PC system (Quad core) does someone has good experienceswith a certani system?

[humble pond]

@tame cove - Depends on your budget. The new NUC8 line has 8th gen quad core processors, which is what I'm running right now. I've also heard good things about the SuperMicro line, like the E200.

[midnight adder]

Hey all, I've got some Camnoopy IP cameras. Somehow I can view them outside my network via the Camnoopy app, but I want to block it... I've not opened up any ports for them, so I'm curious how the Onvif connection is working.

(Assuming the app is actually using Onvif and it's not just sending jpegs up to their server or something)

[tame cove]

@humble pond ty! i hoped to find something a bit cheaper , around 200 euro / 250 euro ?

[clever mortar]

@normal ferry #botspam 😉

[normal ferry]

Sorryyyyy! 😣 😣 😣

[noble slate]

What's the biggest / most insane homeassistant home out there btw?
I'm curious to see how many devices and what devices such a home uses xd

[orchid rose]

vasiley has quite a lot at least

[dull chasm]

I have around 1400 entities but i am sure there people with alot more out there

[pure vine]

Going to share this here, freenode is live streaming their conference https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5Lr5YyhJhyPViaau215_Vg

[noble slate]

@dull chasm have you ever made a list or blog post about ALL of them? xd
(Or just a list with all the devices you have "5x sonoff basic's. 4x something something)

[dull chasm]

I started a wiki but its not complete

https://github.com/Vasiley/Home-Assistant-Main/wiki

i am
A) not a good writer
B) not a showboat

[noble slate]

Alright cool
(yeah I get that. Just hard to imagine how far you could go for ultra-smart home stuff xd)

[dull chasm]

as far as your money will take ya

[noble slate]

Perfect answer 😂

[dull chasm]

LOL....any questions just ask....i prolly should get on the wiki more.....and write up one for my fishtank LOL

[glass linden]

?rank other

[slim rampart]

@glass linden, you joined Other.

[quartz ether]

Afternoon everyone.

[midnight adder]

moving from 0.75.x to 0.81.5: after activating samba and placing a couple of my snapshots from my computer they don't show up in my snapshots are even after reboot, what am I missing?

[tame cove]

oops i cant see the hassio room anymore

and also lost teh home assistant chatroom

just the lounge

[rustic aspen]

@tame cove cleaning map for the s50. It cleaned for about 125min then went and changed and came back and finished the rest

[tame cove]

oh wow nice!

[rustic aspen]

4 bedrooms are carpet, and the lounge. The rest is tiles

[tame cove]

and the xiaomi does its job very well ?

i think im gonna buy it too here

[rustic aspen]

Have only had it like a week but so far it’s awesome. Had a neato botvac before it but wore it out after three years of daily cleaning hahaha

[tame cove]

lol

im gonna get the Xiaomi

(brb)

[clever mortar]

@tame cove Look for > SUPPORT under #lounge, and click on it to expand it

[tame cove]

ty that worked

[coarse beacon]

good evening 😄

[near flare]

anyone have recommendations for cheap POE camera's

for use outdoors

[dull chasm]

reolink's

[near flare]

ive been looking at those

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01AHXEHYY?pf_rd_p=5a1aedcb-634e-416c-9e4d-99f483cdfe00&pf_rd_r=QW4K6Y5D189S1TSA8PR2&th=1

[quiet cobalt]

any one her been using Openhab

[oblique nymph]

anyone familiar with any LED strips that can be hardwired to a dimmer wall switch?

the strips do not need to be smart - just a nice amber color that will be dimmed from a z-wave dimmer switch

[amber bramble]

when did we get a :rip: emoji

and how does it work as a reaction in #330944238910963714 but not show up when I try to use it 😦

[oak marsh]

Hey, Everyone, maybe someone is able to help me with this problem? I posted a message on the dev/documentation board last night & @low harness replied . I've only just seen it as through the night I switched my browser to Firefox Dev edition, but when I open up Discord in a tab, neither my own message, nor Thomas' reply is there but the message immediately after his reply IS. The original message was posted in the latest version of google-chrome-stable and I am now using the latest version of Firefox dev edition. I can see both messages in the correct position in Chrome, but as I said, there is nothing of the conversation in FF. Anybody any ideas?

[low harness]

I can still see both...

[oak marsh]

Additionally, I can see my own latest message (in docs) in both browsers, but still not see the original conversation 😕

Just for reference, here's a screenshot of side by side comparison https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xCswgEgQm2Wrg8WbonY2lX2XO7GxbU3d/view?usp=sharing

[vale shale]

@quiet cobalt If not apparent, this is the Home Assistant server...

[low harness]

Pretty good place to look for people who have been using openHAB, I’d say...

[jagged mantle]

is there anyone using google actions and dialogflow?

[clever mortar]

I did for a bit, but it's a PITA. More a question for #330944238910963714 though

[jagged mantle]

PITA?

[orchid rose]

pain in the ass

[jagged mantle]

oh

[clever mortar]

Okay Google, talk to THING, then chat with Dialogflow, then say Goodbye

[jagged mantle]

ive got all of that sorted its just deployment left

[fair monolith]

since when did dark sky offer 1,000 free calls per day????

[clever mortar]

That's been the case for years now, I've been using their API for longer than I can remember

(at least some 6 years now)

[fair monolith]

I thought it was per month

switch over since yahoo weather is dead

[clever mortar]

I find they're generally pretty good overall - fairly accurate

[fair monolith]

indeed

I love their mobile app

[clever mortar]

They don't do one for Android, but I use an app that has them as a data source

[fair monolith]

they do tho?

@clever mortar https://darksky.net/app

[clever mortar]

That must be new then

[fair monolith]

new ish, yes

[clever mortar]

I think I last checked about 6 months back, though it may have been a year or so

Guess what's getting installed now - thanks!

[fair monolith]

May 13, 2016 is when it came out

totally worth the cheap subscription

[clever mortar]

Damn, time flies

[fair monolith]

no kidding

[rose comet]

If anyone is interested and uses a Roku TV I created a floorplan using the api keypress commands for the Roku
Paste includes the Shell Command, Script, and Floorplan yaml entries.
PM if you want the SVG 😃

https://pastebin.com/SMZQTbFc

[quartz ether]

Anyone find any good 11.11 deals on aliexpress?

[molten flax]

Hey all, im looking to buy some of these - https://www.lightinthebox.com/en/p/xiaomi-aqara-temperature-humidity-sensor-zigbee-wireless-connection-automatic-alarm-detect-atmospheric-pressure_p6096635.html?prm=1.5.180.0

what's the best/cheapest route to connecting them up? just buy the hub/controller?

[rapid violet]

cheapest / easiest ... chose one. Only two options really Xiaomi hub runs about $50 or custom build zigbee2mqtt which would be about $30 and a shite load more time

I have both, hub is simple and is very reliable, haven't had the time to setup the zigbee2mqtt as yet, but looks good as I could then also replace the Phillips Hue hub also

@rose comet that is awesome you should post in the forums to allow others to find it

[molten flax]

@rapid violet - very hard to get a hold of the hub it seems in the UK, unless im looking in the wrong places

found this though https://www.gearbest.com/living-appliances/pp_344667.html?wid=1433363&currency=GBP&vip=4264395&gclid=Cj0KCQiAlIXfBRCpARIsAKvManxUK8Kh1qI-d3IeBUv8SQQYzu0-fYOS1SCq5-Yj9ybb205QgDi2Y3IaAnzFEALw_wcB

[rapid violet]

I see, we have it easy (in this case) in aus as we use the same plugs

[molten flax]

does the gateway only connect via wifi by the looks of things?

to be fair, i can see me manually doing zigbee2mqtt

[shy comet]

my google homes have gone crazy.....i ask it something and every single one responds now

[light trout]

Maybe they use UDP now 🤔

[dull chasm]

you got on the google gravy train and now they fucking up.....alexa still going strong

pixel 3xl flop...google hub ....flop... i stop now to be nice

[light trout]

beeing nice.... flop....

🤣

[dull chasm]

i was too

being nice

i didnt say dumbass

@light trout

🤣

[light trout]

true 😂

[shy comet]

LOL

[rose comet]

@rapid violet I might. Probably wanna clean up the svg first. Not real great for automation, but nicer than their app since it seems to break for me routinely

Probably going to throw in some scripts to select the source, and then add little icons for those sources IE Hulu Netflix Plex

[rose comet]

anyone know how I can share my SVG on the forum?
I cant upload it there.

[quartz ether]

Hmm I have 100 in my paypal account... That means spending money my partner doesnt know about 😄 Now, what to buy....

[sand badge]

buy 1 zwave device 😉

[quartz ether]

haha

Why does amazon not accept paypal 😦

[junior forge]

So lets get some momentum and retweet action going here... maybe MS or someone else will actually build this for us!
https://twitter.com/Frenck/status/1060103038424285184

Franck Nijhof (@Frenck)

Looking for a Visual Studio @code HERO🎖 !

Anybody out there that wants to help the @home_assistant Community by building a proper language server for Home Assistant? 🙏

Auto-completion based on my actual HA setup, would be awesome!

#iot @theia_ide @_clarkio @amanda...

Twitter

And THAT would be freaking awesome ❤

[rapid violet]

that would be so awesome @junior forge though I have taken to your IDE package and find it handy, but would switch back in a heart beat for intellisense and and auto-completion

[junior forge]

I use both... IDE when I'm on a remote location

vscode @ home

[pure vine]

i have just discovered you can configure in KDE a barcode gen, there is a barcode feature in kde that generates it with either currently selected text or the clip board System settings -> shortcuts -> global shortcuts -> plasma -> show barcode

[pure vine]

@clever mortar has your power company given you a smart meter and is it the second gen one(Zigbee)?

[velvet horizon]

Tinkerer is away for 15h 41m 19s with a message :point_right: Helping the Grinch prepare for Christmas

[brisk furnace]

Does anyone use ibeacons or tilemates? There's currently a deal for 4 new tile mates (replaceable batteries) and a google home mini bundle, but I can't think of what I'd use the tile makes for

mates*

[wicked aspen]

I just want to thank everyone on the service for all the help in getting me "up and running". especially @trail crag . I'm up and running on a pi and connect via SSH and samba. Now I just need to learn how to setup the assistant (maybe install lovelace) and tie in the devices I have on the way to the house! Many thanks to all

[brisk furnace]

@wicked aspen sounds like the fun is just beginning

[ruby finch]

About to dive back into HA...

Last time (6 months ago) the general recommendation was to use Hassbian or a fresh raspbian install with the VE loaded on

Is this still the case?

[amber bramble]

I like the manual venv install myself, but i use the system for more than just hass

[pine marlin]

?rank other

[slim rampart]

@pine marlin, you joined Other.

[wicked aspen]

yep @brisk furnace it's late and i'm still playing.. ARG gotta work tomorrow

[clever mortar]

@pure vine Still a bit of a lottery from what I can tell, I certainly ain't gonna trust a call centre worker to know if it's really second generation or not 😃

[pure vine]

@clever mortar I think it is a second gen one as it uses a different display to the first one and also it doesn't connect to our suppliers interface

Also IIRC the government standard for the second gen meter specifies that ZigBee is used

[pure vine]

https://twitter.com/TheRegister/status/1060477545588637697

The Register (@TheRegister)

UK rail lines blocked by unexpected Windows dialog box https://t.co/OE0LKBU3Sx

Twitter

[midnight adder]

!help

[clever mortar]

Use #botspam for that kind of thing please @wispy jay

[pure vine]

does home assistant have a IRC presnece? i bet there are people who are using home assistant who dont want to use discord

[rare condor]

@pure vine There is a minimal presence on Freenode but its not promoted as it splits resources across the community, discord is by far the largest and most active community.

[pure vine]

we could put a IRC Bridge in?

[brisk furnace]

Does anyone use nodejs on their pi/server? I'm just wondering how versions work with nodejs

there seems to be a version for everything node -v is 10.13, nodejs -v is 8.14, then npm and n have their own versions - I updated node from 9.12 to 10.13 and it seems that global packages don't follow?

[past sorrel]

~Tinkerer

[velvet horizon]

You can find his GitHub at https://github.com/DubhAd/Home-AssistantConfig/ and his blog at https://ceard.tech/

[sacred hornet]

@light trout hey, if i may, i'd like to request some help in the tautulli card

[last plaza]

@light trout only accepts paypal and beer

[sacred hornet]

man, life is tough 😛

[light trout]

@sacred hornet You want to make it better? 😃

[light trout]

Mister funny guy @last plaza 🤣

[solar stag]

Quick Question.. is there a way to trigger an automation based on two device trakers getting close to each other? I'd like to get a notificaion if one device_tracker. ever gets within 5kms of a specific other device_tracker.

@vague ginkgo has been trying to help me with it but hasn't had any luck yet.

[brisk furnace]

Who's switched to hass.io here? My hassbian install is starting to feel a little 'dirty' and the addons for mqtt-bridge, pihole, and others seem enticing.

[solar stag]

I've been running hassio from the start. Was running on a pi 3B+ to get started, now running it in an ubuntu server. Had some trouble getting it migrated to the ubuntu server, but otherwise it's been great.

[brisk furnace]

do you use any of the addons such as pihole, node-red or mqtt-bridge

those were the 3 that stopped me from migrating earlier this year but the community seems to have built them now which is awesome

[solar stag]

I was using node-red for a while, but realized for what I wanted to do, it was better to keep with native automations

it worked great inside of hassio while I was using it.

I know pihole exists too, never messed with it, and I've never seen mqtt-bridge.

If you want to know more about the add-ons you may want to check out the other hassio addon server

https://discord.gg/Sr5D4wD

[barren hound]

https://packetpushers.net/podcast/weekly-show-414-security-implications-of-home-automation/

homeassistant was on the Packet Pusher's weekly show

It's strange when different aspects of my life collide like that

[sacred hornet]

@light trout i certainly want to make life better

i thought thats the whole point of home automations 😛

[orchid rose]

Has google broken the podcast support from Google Home? Can't seem to start any, just get the I'm sorry, I don't understand

[mighty summit]

how do I get to #botspam ?

[pure vine]

@mighty summit ?rank Other

[mighty summit]

?rank Other

[slim rampart]

@mighty summit, you joined Other.

[hearty depot]

yeah..

[last plaza]

@hearty depot I love that! I am going to add that to the ~rtfm command!

[dull chasm]

.rtfm

[velvet horizon]

RTFM is a well known phrase, used when someone hasn't taken time to read the documentation. Please take time to Read The $%#@ Manual - author unknown.

[dull chasm]

fail

[low harness]

Perhaps there's some kind of instructions somewhere you could refer to on how to make the bot do what you want?

[light trout]

https://github.com/skalavala/HassBot @low harness

[dull chasm]

@low harness i was just tallking about him adding that to the rtfm command.....it is easily done

[low harness]

Whoosh

[last plaza]

there is help/usage for every @velvet horizon command

~command

[velvet horizon]

:information_source:

Usage

~command <name> <description>

[low harness]

Was the joke really that bad?

[light trout]

joke?

[dull chasm]

i second that @light trout

[low harness]

I’ll take note

[pure vine]

~rtfm

[velvet horizon]

RTFM is a well known phrase, used when someone hasn't taken time to read the documentation. Please take time to Read The $%#@ Manual - author unknown.

[odd mason]

is chromecast audio local or does it need internet access?

[light trout]

~8ball should I have an other beer?

[velvet horizon]

:8ball:

8Ball Prediction:

Answer Unclear Ask Later

[light trout]

I'll take that as a yes 😛

[dull chasm]

.8ball is @light trout drunk

[velvet horizon]

:8ball:

8Ball Prediction:

@light trout Yeah Right

[dull chasm]

🤣

[light trout]

🤣

I decline to answer

[dull chasm]

8ball knows all

[light trout]

😦

[last plaza]

😂

[still sundial]

?rank Other

[slim rampart]

@still sundial, you joined Other.

[vapid mirage]

Anyone know if the Amazon Fire 7 is useable as a dashboard for HA?

($18 on woot atm)

[clever mortar]

Not with Lovelace, see the chatter in #general-archived and #frontend-archived

It uses too old a version of Webkit

[vapid mirage]

@clever mortar Thanks 😃