#the-water-cooler | Home Assistant | Page 332

vague ginkgo Oct 17, 2018, 1:08 PM

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@quartz ether yay!

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oh, that thread is 2 years old...

vapid crow Oct 17, 2018, 1:09 PM

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TehRobot strikes again 😉

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my value template:

{{ as_timestamp(states.calendar.gemeinsame_termine.start_time) | timestamp_custom('%Y/%m/%d at %H:%M') }} - {{ states.calendar.gemeinsame_termine.attributes.message }}

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where's the error?

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I don't get it

quartz ether Oct 17, 2018, 1:16 PM

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put that in templates and see what it kicks out

vapid crow Oct 17, 2018, 1:17 PM

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It complains about no start_time which is actually in states

quartz ether Oct 17, 2018, 1:18 PM

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You are trying to subtract one from the other?

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Or get it to say " time - message"

vapid crow Oct 17, 2018, 1:19 PM

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I just took the first part only and the error message did not change

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I'm trying to get it to say time - message, which should work due to the curly brackets

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point is, there is no event going on. But there would be one in a few hours.

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and I'd need to grab the upcoming one

quartz ether Oct 17, 2018, 1:21 PM

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Well irrelevant atm since the first half is giving you an error anyway

vapid crow Oct 17, 2018, 1:22 PM

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alright. hacking that one short just using states.calendar.gemeinsame_termine

quartz ether Oct 17, 2018, 1:22 PM

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Ohh and there is an update ;D

vapid crow Oct 17, 2018, 1:22 PM

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and here we get:

<template state calendar.gemeinsame_termine=off; message=Test, all_day=False, offset_reached=False, start_time=2018-10-17 18:00:00, end_time=2018-10-17 19:00:00, location=None, description=None, friendly_name=Gemeinsame Termine, hidden=True @ 2018-10-17T15:13:11.459100+02:00>

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so there IS something

quartz ether Oct 17, 2018, 1:23 PM

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what do you get with {{ as_timestamp(states.calendar.gemeinsame_termine.start_time) }}

vapid crow Oct 17, 2018, 1:23 PM

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but states.calendar.gemeinsame_termine.start_time returns nothing

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yours gives me the same error as I had

quartz ether Oct 17, 2018, 1:24 PM

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Needs attributes in it

vapid crow Oct 17, 2018, 1:25 PM

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here we go....

quartz ether Oct 17, 2018, 1:25 PM

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Umm states.calendar.gemeinsame_termine.attributes.start_time

vapid crow Oct 17, 2018, 1:25 PM

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yep. Just figured

light trout Oct 17, 2018, 1:26 PM

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{{ state_attr('calendar.gemeinsame_termine','start_time') }} are considered safer/better to use 😃

vapid crow Oct 17, 2018, 1:28 PM

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which boils down then to {{ as_timestamp(state_attr('calendar.gemeinsame_termine','start_time')) | timestamp_custom('%d.%m.%Y at %H:%M') }} - {{ state_attr('calendar.gemeinsame_termine','message') }}

quartz ether Oct 17, 2018, 1:28 PM

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but does it work

vapid crow Oct 17, 2018, 1:28 PM

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just running a test and restart

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works!

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that stuff is so cool, but also drives me nuts from time to time

quartz ether Oct 17, 2018, 1:30 PM

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its 2.30am... I should be asleep

vapid crow Oct 17, 2018, 1:33 PM

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know that feeling

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that's those days where you don't need to have fortune telling abilities that you will be trashed 😉

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sleep well @quartz ether

quartz ether Oct 17, 2018, 1:38 PM

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I wont be going anywhere just yet lol.

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Ok I lied my show was much more over than I thought.

buoyant anvil Oct 17, 2018, 2:30 PM

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ohhh i think .80 seems to have fixed the binary senssor that came with my garage door tilt sensor

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can get rid of the one i had to create based on other sensors 😄

vapid crow Oct 17, 2018, 2:35 PM

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is there a way to split the ui-lovelace?

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can I use include there as usual?

last plaza Oct 17, 2018, 2:38 PM

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@vapid crow this is the #the-water-cooler... meant for non-home assistant related questions - anything random. You should post your questions in #frontend-archived or #330944238910963714 channels

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there is a description on top of each channel

vapid crow Oct 17, 2018, 2:39 PM

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sorry, it's getting late here. Thought I was already in #frontend-archived

last plaza Oct 17, 2018, 2:39 PM

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lol - it happens... sometimes we wonder why we don't get responses 😉

vapid crow Oct 17, 2018, 2:39 PM

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let me put it that way: 8h hacking yaml fried my senses

last plaza Oct 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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lmao - did you finally figure out the calendar code?

vapid crow Oct 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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finally.

last plaza Oct 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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awesome!

vapid crow Oct 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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got a few things I'm implementing...

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the tabs on the lovelace are now service based so you have all in one place

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i.e. the automations to be disabled in case as the triggering and manual starts

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that way I might end up with sensors and switches used multiple times - but who cares as long as you got all in one place?

vague ginkgo Oct 17, 2018, 5:41 PM

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Is anyone else having issues with tts.google_say?

shy comet Oct 17, 2018, 6:28 PM

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@vague ginkgo working fine on 0.80.2

orchid rose Oct 17, 2018, 7:13 PM

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I have one EU socket that I need to connect two chinese devices to and one usb. What would be the pretties way to set it all up if I don't want to pull out the wall socket and install a better one?

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Maybe some extension cord with chinese outputs and usb and then cut the cable and install a EU plug? Are the leads usually color coded so I don't fuck it up?

gleaming gyro Oct 17, 2018, 8:57 PM

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Did the home-assistant website get hijacked? The certification looks bad.

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certificate*

low harness Oct 17, 2018, 9:03 PM

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Looks good to me

gleaming gyro Oct 17, 2018, 9:21 PM

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Hmm.... maybe my computer is janky.

pure vine Oct 17, 2018, 11:02 PM

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@gleaming gyro whats it doing

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If its gray that is due to a Chrome update where they got rid of green due to bad security advice

safe cape Oct 18, 2018, 12:05 AM

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Looking for anyone familiar with the web sockets api

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😔

midnight adder Oct 18, 2018, 2:46 AM

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?rank other

slim rampartBOT Oct 18, 2018, 2:46 AM

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@midnight adder, you joined Other.

pure vine Oct 18, 2018, 12:36 PM

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Any one know a good multi core server for home use, I current have a HP prolient server with a dual core AMD processor, ive realised that i might be growing out of it and have no idea what to replace it with

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 12:36 PM

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Some NUCs are quad core and more

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Also, buy, or build

pure vine Oct 18, 2018, 12:36 PM

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All it needs to run is HASS, some game servers and a few Python bots

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 12:37 PM

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Lots of folks use a NUC for that

pure vine Oct 18, 2018, 12:37 PM

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@clever mortar either don't mind, kind of want 3.5" drive bays as I also use it as a NAS

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 12:38 PM

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If you go build then https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=452 is a good 8 bay case, and http://www.u-nas.com/xcart/product.php?productid=17638 a good 4 bay case (they also do an 8 bay version)

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I used the Silverstone to build an 8 bay NAS using a low power Xeon

pure vine Oct 18, 2018, 12:39 PM

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@clever mortar how much did your server cost

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 12:40 PM

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In the end around £800 I think, the Xeon wasn't cheap, but neither were the pair of fast, large, NAS spec drives

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That would be about 4 years ago though

pure vine Oct 18, 2018, 12:41 PM

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I'm going to spec a server up then, then present it to finance(my parents)

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@clever mortar just to let you how bad my current system is, it's got a BIOS based boot so its limited to MBR that is then limited to 2TB drives

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 12:44 PM

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My last one was like that - only got replaced because it was 8+ years old and starting to have issues

pure vine Oct 18, 2018, 12:45 PM

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@clever mortar random question, would it be a good idea to go for a AMD rysen processor instead of a Xeon now adays

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 12:46 PM

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It's a case of looking at the performance, vs power draw, vs cost

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And working out your balance

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I decided I wanted cool, but fast, which meant low power draw, and higher cost

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Part of that was also influenced by the case, and the space available for the fan

pure vine Oct 18, 2018, 12:47 PM

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I'll spec it in PCpartpicker so I can see it

gleaming gyro Oct 18, 2018, 12:50 PM

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@pure vine Chrome was saying the website cert was bad.

pure vine Oct 18, 2018, 1:01 PM

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Huh, is it still saying that @gleaming gyro

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@clever mortar https://www.overclockers.co.uk/intel-xeon-e5-2620v4-2.10ghz-8-core-with-hyperthreading-socket-2011-3-retail-cp-61q-in.html more cores than AMD offerings at the same price range

Overclockers UK

Intel Xeon E5-2620v4 2.10GHz 8-Core with Hyperthreading (Socket 20...

Socket 2011-3, E5-2620V4, 8 Cores, 16 Threads, 2.1GHz, 3GHz Turbo, 20MB Cache, 85W

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 1:12 PM

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Power draw?

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I went with a 45W low power one in my case (yes, that cost painfully much), but you should compare the power draw for the cores/total cpumark

pure vine Oct 18, 2018, 1:13 PM

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according to PC part picker 85W

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 1:14 PM

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Yeah, but compare it to the AMD

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If it's twice the power draw for twice the cores, and twice the cost, but only 50% more on cpumark... 🤷

gleaming gyro Oct 18, 2018, 1:15 PM

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@pure vine no.

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All gone now. 😃

pure vine Oct 18, 2018, 1:19 PM

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Well the TDP of the amd i was looking at is 180 Watt @clever mortar

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 1:19 PM

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😱

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I think my whole home server comes in at near half of that

pure vine Oct 18, 2018, 1:19 PM

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it does have 2x the clock though

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 1:20 PM

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Check the benchmark rather than the raw speeds and cores

pure vine Oct 18, 2018, 1:22 PM

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it does have a higher cpu mark of passmark https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+Threadripper+2950X&id=3316

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 1:23 PM

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Is it worth the increased power draw though?

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At twice the power, I'd expect twice the performance

pure vine Oct 18, 2018, 1:25 PM

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that Xeon i was looking at does have a 3ghz turbo, so is it worth spending £800 for the thread ripper over the £400 for a cpu witha 2.10ghz base and 3ghz boost

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 1:25 PM

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Power/performance/price - pick your priorities 😉

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I valued low power the most, so paid a higher cost to get something with good (but not awesome) performance

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Low power means low running costs, and low heat output so low noise

pure vine Oct 18, 2018, 1:26 PM

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Ok so here is the PassMark comparison https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-Xeon-E5-2620-v4-vs-AMD-Ryzen-Threadripper-2950X/2766vs3316

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 1:27 PM

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Twice the cost, twice the power, twice the performance

pure vine Oct 18, 2018, 1:27 PM

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the Intel is about 50% of the AMD, but are closer in value (CPU Mark / $Price)

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 1:27 PM

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Then it's a question whether either have features that matter to you

pure vine Oct 18, 2018, 1:28 PM

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Probably only the ECC

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 1:29 PM

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VT can be rather handy if you're considering any VMs, Docker, etc

pure vine Oct 18, 2018, 1:31 PM

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Both have that

quartz ether Oct 18, 2018, 1:44 PM

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If you want cost effective server spec pc take a look at https://www.serverbuilds.net JDM_WAAAT's discord channel is also the tits. 20k Benchmark pc with 64gb of ram for the cost of the Threadripper cpu on its own.

upper python Oct 18, 2018, 7:47 PM

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Hi all. I'm newbie here. I'm a developer of HA Client app for Android.

thick crypt Oct 18, 2018, 7:47 PM

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Hi

gloomy canyon Oct 18, 2018, 7:48 PM

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nice work man

thick crypt Oct 18, 2018, 7:48 PM

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Good work with your app 😉

upper python Oct 18, 2018, 7:48 PM

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Thanks!

gloomy canyon Oct 18, 2018, 7:48 PM

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one question: why is it closed source?

upper python Oct 18, 2018, 7:49 PM

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I'm shy of my code ))

thick crypt Oct 18, 2018, 7:50 PM

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Too bad that your app does not work really well with certain SSL certificates 😦

upper python Oct 18, 2018, 7:51 PM

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Yes I know (( It is the problem of Flutter framework and I hope it will be fixed in nearest future

gloomy canyon Oct 18, 2018, 7:52 PM

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I'd pay for the app if I'm 100% sure you care about my data

thick crypt Oct 18, 2018, 7:53 PM

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Hope it too, would like to use your app. And since I think that there are probably more people using their own domain name to their HA and with ssl it is useful if there is a workaround etc.

gloomy canyon Oct 18, 2018, 7:53 PM

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feels a bit unsafe to add a full access token into sth you don't really know

upper python Oct 18, 2018, 7:54 PM

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@thick crypt , what about lets encrypt? You can't use it with your own domain?

thick crypt Oct 18, 2018, 7:56 PM

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I have rapidssl certificate

upper python Oct 18, 2018, 7:56 PM

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@gloomy canyon , I'm really care about your data and don't send it anywhere except your own HA instance )) Also I'm plane to store your token in secure storage in future

gloomy canyon Oct 18, 2018, 7:58 PM

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yeah i really want to believe you but a proof would be nice 😉

upper python Oct 18, 2018, 7:58 PM

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@thick crypt yes I remember your issue on GitHub. Something wrong with it as well in flutter (

thick crypt Oct 18, 2018, 7:58 PM

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yep that was me 😃

gloomy canyon Oct 18, 2018, 7:58 PM

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@thick crypt why don't you switch to letsencrypt?

upper python Oct 18, 2018, 7:58 PM

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Yes, why?

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It should work

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I think HA Client is not yet so good to switch to another cert provider ))

thick crypt Oct 18, 2018, 8:02 PM

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Because behind my domain name there is more than just HA and I do not have it with free ssl certificates 😉

gloomy canyon Oct 18, 2018, 8:04 PM

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is a rapidssl cert better than le?

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no offense, I'm just curious

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 8:04 PM

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They're largely all just SSL certs at the end of the day

thick crypt Oct 18, 2018, 8:05 PM

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https://moz.com/blog/traditional-vs-lets-encrypt-vs-cloudflare

Moz

HTTPS Services Comparison: Traditional vs Let's Encrypt vs Cloudflare

Thinking about going secure? It's more important than ever, with Google issuing security warnings for many non-secure sites in Chrome. This comparison of three popular HTTPS services will help you determine the best option for implementing an SSL certification on your site.

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 8:07 PM

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For once something that's not marketing guff, and admits that free SSL Certs aren't weak/second rate

gloomy canyon Oct 18, 2018, 8:07 PM

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ok so the only con is the EV green bar thing

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 8:07 PM

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Which Chrome is dropping

gloomy canyon Oct 18, 2018, 8:07 PM

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I don't care about the 90 days

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cronjob for certbot

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 8:08 PM

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https://www.troyhunt.com/extended-validation-certificates-are-dead/

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Yup, I've got zero issues with needing to renew every 90 days. Actually makes it less likely that it'll break overall

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After all, if you do something once every 3 years the odds of it going right aren't high. If you're doing it every month, more likely to have it working smoothly

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Also, given you can renew 30 or so days in advance, you've ages to fix anything

gloomy canyon Oct 18, 2018, 8:09 PM

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only annoying thing you have to be careful with your pre- and post-hok settings 😉

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 8:10 PM

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HA will reload the certs life apparently, but with NGINX yeah I do a restart of the service

gloomy canyon Oct 18, 2018, 8:11 PM

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use it for some docker containers

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they need a restart too

turbid radish Oct 18, 2018, 8:16 PM

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Any recommendations on IP cams from aliexpress?

gloomy canyon Oct 18, 2018, 8:34 PM

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@upper python what do you plan about translation? help appreciated?

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and maybe ask the mods about a #devs_core-archived_android channel 😃

upper python Oct 18, 2018, 8:45 PM

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@gloomy canyon , it will be there someday. And of course I'll need help with it )

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I think separate channel is good idea

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But I'm new in Discord, so don't know how to find mods

dry cairn Oct 18, 2018, 8:47 PM

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oh thats easy just dm @clever mortar he'll help ya out

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 8:48 PM

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You sir are evil, and if I wore a hat, it'd take it off to you 😉

dry cairn Oct 18, 2018, 8:49 PM

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well thank you i do what i can to make your life a lil more misrable 😂

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Of course, there'd only be #devs_android if it was an HA app, not a third party one

last plaza Oct 18, 2018, 8:50 PM

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I am not an android user, but is there an android app for HA that is not maintained by HA devs?

dry cairn Oct 18, 2018, 8:50 PM

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dunno when you go to ha and log in it automatically puts a nice lil ha icon on the dash

light trout Oct 18, 2018, 8:50 PM

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Multiple

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 8:52 PM

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All I'd want is one that could combine the functionality of GPS Logger with being able to send notifications

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I have zero need of a new UI

dry cairn Oct 18, 2018, 8:53 PM

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yeah ui don t interest me at all i never use it

clever mortar Oct 18, 2018, 8:54 PM

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I just ditched HA Dashboard in favour of the new Google Home app - the wife prefers it

dry cairn Oct 18, 2018, 8:54 PM

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so you got forced

gloomy canyon Oct 18, 2018, 8:54 PM

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@upper python do you use tasker? would be call if tasker could interact with the app

upper python Oct 18, 2018, 8:56 PM

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@gloomy canyon used it in the past. Interesting idea

gloomy canyon Oct 18, 2018, 9:06 PM

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would be cool if you could pipe data from tasker to hass

rain wharf Oct 18, 2018, 10:22 PM

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?rank other

slim rampartBOT Oct 18, 2018, 10:22 PM

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@rain wharf, you joined Other.

thick crypt Oct 18, 2018, 10:53 PM

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other?

rain swift Oct 19, 2018, 12:48 AM

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so I got a new phone, I had tasker set up to see pushbullet notifications with certain text, crank my volume up and blast a sound file, is there a free app that will do this, tasker was kind of a pain and having to acquire the apk is also annoying.

ionic sun Oct 19, 2018, 4:07 AM

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I’m using nginx reverse proxy to set up some sub domains and I’m wondering if there are any security risks regarding the naming of the sub domains

Is it ok to use hass.mydomain and Unifi.my domain or is it better to use random names like Albert.mydomain and Bruce.mydomain?

clever mortar Oct 19, 2018, 6:12 AM

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Once you've paid for Tasker you can move it to a new phone @rain swift - I've done that many times over the years

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@ionic sun Practically speaking, no meaningful security risks.

If you're likely to be the subject of a targeted attack and you've got lots of IP addresses covering a range of infrastructure, then yes, you're handing an attacker information that could help them a bit. For home use, or if you've only got a single IP, or in a bunch of other situations, it makes no real difference.

ionic sun Oct 19, 2018, 6:33 AM

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@clever mortar - many thanks - sometimes I don’t know if I have ‘healthy’ paranoia or the plain, old ‘crazy as bats***’ paranoia 😉

clever mortar Oct 19, 2018, 6:34 AM

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No worries. Just remember that as long as you're not interesting and special, folks won't be targeting you. That bar is relatively high too, so most folks will never reach the sight of it, never mind reach it.

low harness Oct 19, 2018, 9:02 AM

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Hey, @clever mortar. May I suggest to turn off the link previews? I don't think they add enough for the ammount of space they take up.

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http://home-assistant.io

Home Assistant

Open source home automation that puts local control and privacy first.

clever mortar Oct 19, 2018, 9:55 AM

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There are a few channels where they're permitted, like here, but people can just use <http://home-assistant.io/> to turn them off

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I think it's linked to image posting

pure vine Oct 19, 2018, 10:04 AM

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orded this https://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-tv-hat

The Pi Hut

Raspberry Pi TV HAT

The Raspberry Pi TV HAT is a DVB-T2 Digital TV receiver add on for the Raspberry Pi, compatible with the Raspberry Pi Zero and Rasperry Pi 3B+ (and older Raspberry Pi 2 & 3 models) The Raspberry Pi TV HAT allows you to receive digital terrestrial TV broadcast systems wh...

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Looks intresting and supports 1080p TV

dry cairn Oct 19, 2018, 11:28 AM

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@clever mortar i'd like to propose turning on the facebag and shitter filter anyone with an account gets on the blocklist . I don't think they add enough for the amount of verbal diarrhea they produce

upper python Oct 19, 2018, 11:30 AM

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Guys, for those who interested and using HA Client for Android, please, join: https://discord.gg/NSaQEQ8

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Hope it is legal to post my channel link there ))

dull chasm Oct 19, 2018, 11:38 AM

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@upper python I dont see a problem with it since its ha related

dry cairn Oct 19, 2018, 11:38 AM

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👆

upper python Oct 19, 2018, 11:44 AM

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@dull chasm ok then

sand bobcat Oct 19, 2018, 12:51 PM

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If you plan on buying stuff from China, you better do it ASAP! Combining what I heard on Planet Money with this article, shipping costs will increase A LOT for Chinese companies shipping to the US. Meaning your price will go up. https://www.govexec.com/management/2018/10/white-house-announces-intent-withdraw-us-international-postal-agency/152102/

Government Executive

White House Announces That the U.S. Intends to Withdraw From Inter...

The decision will prevent international shippers from receiving an unfair advantage, officials say.

hearty depot Oct 19, 2018, 12:53 PM

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https://img.pr0gramm.com/2018/10/19/38d050d5e319d51e.jpg

pure vine Oct 19, 2018, 1:04 PM

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@sand bobcat any word on prices from the UK and EU, as i am worried that it will cost me more to send

sand bobcat Oct 19, 2018, 1:09 PM

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@pure vine I’m not sure. The universal postal thing is meant to share costs across all member countries. So maybe with the US withdrawing, it would increase prices for all others. I’m just guessing here. It’s a weird arrangement that I didn’t know existed until 2 weeks ago.

pure vine Oct 19, 2018, 1:10 PM

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I feel like this is going to hurt the US than it will the nations trump is trying to hurt

low harness Oct 19, 2018, 2:00 PM

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Sweden introduced a fixed fee of about 8 USD on every package from outside of EU since March this year. I've actually been secretly hoping for this to happen in USA as well, because that would increase the chances for different suppliers of cheap parts for home automation stuff to emerge...

pliant forge Oct 19, 2018, 2:52 PM

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Highly doubt that will happen with the current administration

shy comet Oct 19, 2018, 3:04 PM

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oh joy looks like when google announced the new integration with the nvidia shield they also killed the harmony voice commands....time to remove the word "shield" from my script

steady glacier Oct 19, 2018, 3:57 PM

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?rank other

slim rampartBOT Oct 19, 2018, 3:57 PM

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@steady glacier, you joined Other.

uneven cobalt Oct 19, 2018, 4:39 PM

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@shy comet I haven't played with this yet but do you have to use the word shield for this integration even though my shield isn't called shield?

shy comet Oct 19, 2018, 4:40 PM

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@uneven cobalt i think it should go by the actual device name in the home app but not certain

uneven cobalt Oct 19, 2018, 4:41 PM

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Ok, I tried this morning asking for a show on netflix on the livingroom tv which is what mine is called but I still get the "I can't play netflix on Android TV yet.' line. Might be a Canadian issue though

shy comet Oct 19, 2018, 4:43 PM

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did you restart your shield after the announcement yesterday?

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its probably US only

uneven cobalt Oct 19, 2018, 4:45 PM

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I restarted it this morning. I am thinking US only though my shield and google assistant are set to US

shy comet Oct 19, 2018, 4:46 PM

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ah give it a lil bit they said itll take about a day

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i restarted yesterday and it started to "work" this morning

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does not seem to pause kodi though 😭

hazy spindle Oct 19, 2018, 6:17 PM

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?help

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@light trout saw you ask this in a search result (from 09/25) i just queried for ?rank other. wanted to confirm, No i do not see the #botspam channel currently

light trout Oct 19, 2018, 6:22 PM

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?

hazy spindle Oct 19, 2018, 6:22 PM

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https://imgur.com/FKejlC5

Imgur

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i didnt know what this rank was even about. so i did a search and saw that.

light trout Oct 19, 2018, 6:24 PM

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ah, it is also described in the #rules that you should have read 😉

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LOL

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It's not there anymore...

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It was at some point

hazy spindle Oct 19, 2018, 6:24 PM

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heh

light trout Oct 19, 2018, 6:24 PM

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It gives access to these:

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📎 unknown.png

hazy spindle Oct 19, 2018, 6:24 PM

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lol i was gonna say..

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ah ok.. lol. thanks

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?rank other

slim rampartBOT Oct 19, 2018, 6:26 PM

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@hazy spindle, you joined Other.

thick crypt Oct 19, 2018, 6:26 PM

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Why have bot hassy some kind of Domoticz logo? 😛

light trout Oct 19, 2018, 6:27 PM

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It's the Dyno logo ;)
https://www.dynobot.net/

thick crypt Oct 19, 2018, 6:31 PM

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than it's oke 😆

white fog Oct 19, 2018, 11:27 PM

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?rank other

slim rampartBOT Oct 19, 2018, 11:27 PM

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@white fog, you joined Other.

tough igloo Oct 20, 2018, 1:16 AM

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Anyone in Australia have Foxtel and using pihole? Pihole seems to block Foxtel on some devices (Xbox one). Any idea what I may need to whitelist on pihole or would I need to do something else? Thanks

shy comet Oct 20, 2018, 1:35 AM

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@tough igloo use the query log from pi hole to find out what domains are blocked that you need to whitelist....if you look on the pi hole FAQ you will also see a section on commonly whitelisted domains some microsoft ones are included may want to check that out also

tough igloo Oct 20, 2018, 1:36 AM

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Thanks @shy comet

pure vine Oct 20, 2018, 1:49 AM

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I find if weird that people go "I'm not paying for Discord there for.... They are selling my data, how else are they making money" completely ignoring the store and nitro thinker

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 2:04 AM

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i find it weird that nobody has told you yet that nobody cares

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let me be the first ...

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nobody cares

amber bramble Oct 20, 2018, 2:12 AM

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I'm reaching the point of not caring about my data because it's pretty much all been leaked by other companies already anyway...

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 2:18 AM

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its not about the data its about ppl running their mouth about things they don't have a clue about just for the sake of feeling important

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😋

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your data gets leaked either way

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and what can discord possibly have on anyone exept keystrokes and the games you play if you let it see it

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now if you would give em correct information that would be a different story but who would do that

amber bramble Oct 20, 2018, 5:18 PM

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I got Reolink to send me a newer firmware for the gen2 RLC-420 cameras, we'll see if that helps with the ghosting issues in BlueIris

ionic sun Oct 20, 2018, 5:18 PM

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I’m using mydomain.duckdns.org and I have a duckdns docker container that keeps my IP address up to date

If I were to purchase mydomain.com how would I keep my IP address up to date?

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 5:37 PM

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@amber bramble damn i have not seen the ghosting

amber bramble Oct 20, 2018, 5:40 PM

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just upgraded the one camera that seemed to have it the most. we'll see if it improves

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 5:41 PM

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good luck.... wondering why i have never saw ...got a 420 and bi

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 5:53 PM

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@amber bramble post the firmware here plz

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that ghosting is getting on my nerves too

clever mortar Oct 20, 2018, 5:55 PM

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@ionic sun Using whatever tool your DNS host supports

amber bramble Oct 20, 2018, 5:55 PM

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they just emailed it to me. i dunno if discord will let me upload it

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 5:55 PM

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how big is it

amber bramble Oct 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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11mb

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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try it just drop it in discord

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if not google drive it

amber bramble Oct 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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max filesize for discord is 8mb

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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or tar it

amber bramble Oct 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1W4i7ex5t_0sPKMZ4t2UfV2y2s3LpJji5

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 5:57 PM

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long name lol

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ima try it with my worst offender

amber bramble Oct 20, 2018, 5:58 PM

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the file extension is weird too

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 5:58 PM

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1 sec

amber bramble Oct 20, 2018, 5:59 PM

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disclaimer: not responsible if you brick your camera 😛

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:00 PM

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lol

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did it help you any?

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:01 PM

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@amber bramble dont wussy out 🤣

amber bramble Oct 20, 2018, 6:01 PM

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my bad offender hasn't done it since i upgraded that i've noticed, but there hasn't been much motion

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:01 PM

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thats right you provide the file we demand prefessional support

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:01 PM

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right !!

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:02 PM

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just like the 5$ fillup erm cloud

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:02 PM

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in home service tooo right @dry cairn

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:02 PM

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absolutely

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in a timely manner ...you got 5 mins

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:03 PM

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@amber bramble is a good guy....give him 11 minutes

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:03 PM

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k

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now to wait till a car goes by

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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no car?

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wait i think i see one

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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so updated from .237 to .239

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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you see that car

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red hatchback

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:11 PM

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man you know i don t constantly watch your cameras

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:15 PM

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i watch yours

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:15 PM

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you wish

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:15 PM

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just the mailbox

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:16 PM

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lol

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:17 PM

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almost as good as livepd

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:18 PM

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@amber bramble that firmware is still fairly bad lol

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📎 Capture.JPG

amber bramble Oct 20, 2018, 6:18 PM

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ew

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mine hasn't done that yet

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:18 PM

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and cars still dragging the errors behind it

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:20 PM

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damn i wonder why i dont see that

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:21 PM

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well we see ima power cycle the cam and see if it goes away

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:21 PM

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thats the dome cameras right?

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:21 PM

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yeah

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that blurry bar is new

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:21 PM

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hmm no problems here

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:22 PM

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well complete power cycle might fix it

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maybe something stale

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:22 PM

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leaves on palms are always moving

📎 unknown.png

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:22 PM

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no shit

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:22 PM

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or rather banana tree

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:23 PM

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😛

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well gives me incentive to fix the 2 dead cams where the poe splitter got soaked in water

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:24 PM

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would not be a bad idea

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i hold the beer

amber bramble Oct 20, 2018, 6:25 PM

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i still want to figure out a solution for a license plate cam

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:25 PM

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no problem 20 k i get you a good one

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85% read rate

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:26 PM

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lol

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:26 PM

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@amber bramble then you have to get licensed to access db

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:26 PM

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i had the sprinkler main pipe break in the middle of the night and it sprayed shit water right into the splitter

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:27 PM

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lack of pm

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:27 PM

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eh

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:27 PM

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heh

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:28 PM

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@dull chasm help me figure out the motion signaling from the cam so we can stop using the blue iris one

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these cams gotta have a signal port

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:28 PM

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why

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:28 PM

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save cpu cycles

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let the cam hardware do the motion detection

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:29 PM

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it does not have a i/o or no/nc port ...no benifiet

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:29 PM

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the cams do have internal motion detection which the reolink dvr's can use

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so its gotta be a signaling port

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or within the stream

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:29 PM

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right but not worth the trouble for cpu saved

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:30 PM

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actually we can prolly drop the cpu usage to 2-5%

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cpu is used like hell for motion

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:30 PM

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right and then you have to change profiles based on camera not within the bi ui

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:31 PM

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eh?

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ah right you do that profile crap lol

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:31 PM

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yep

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:31 PM

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well i don t 😛

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:31 PM

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but shit ...9 cams and 28% cpu

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not worth it

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:32 PM

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well if i can make that work i can switch the island dvr to blue iris

amber bramble Oct 20, 2018, 6:32 PM

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i trust BI motion detection more than reolinks firmware

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:32 PM

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and prolly thier motion detiection is crap

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:32 PM

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let it be crap i need it so i can connect 150+ cams

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😛

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:32 PM

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two 19

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:33 PM

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?

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:33 PM

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bi supports up to 64 camseras ....so get a I9 core

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:34 PM

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we shall see what ima do

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:34 PM

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yea i dont think anything will do 150 cams

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:35 PM

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uhhh i just found something interesting

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the new bi sw has a gpu selector

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:35 PM

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really?

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:36 PM

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ohhhhhhh nvidia cuda

amber bramble Oct 20, 2018, 6:36 PM

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it's had gpu for a few updates now

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:36 PM

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📎 Capture.JPG

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well i didn t update in like a month or 2

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:37 PM

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i nvr saw that either

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:37 PM

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that could drop cpu usage by a lot

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:39 PM

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try it wont hurt

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:39 PM

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well liiks like the new firmware didn t fix the ghosting on any of my cams

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it still has the moving parts of the video get stuck

amber bramble Oct 20, 2018, 6:40 PM

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take some screenshots and email reolink

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:40 PM

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yeah

amber bramble Oct 20, 2018, 6:40 PM

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i sent them a couple screenshots of it happening on mine, maybe if enough people do some grunt will get assigned to fix it

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:40 PM

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possibly

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ima do that tonight

dull chasm Oct 20, 2018, 6:44 PM

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does it have to be fast motion to tear

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 6:55 PM

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kinda

amber bramble Oct 20, 2018, 7:12 PM

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I enabled Intel GPU support in BlueIris and it dropped my CPU from 65% to 35%, not bad

dry cairn Oct 20, 2018, 8:00 PM

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yup

heavy lava Oct 21, 2018, 3:47 AM

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hi is there any good instruction out there of installing hassio on rasbian?

orchid rose Oct 21, 2018, 8:03 AM

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does anyone know if there's such a thing as a smart light that would install to a fluorescent tube socket?

jagged mantle Oct 21, 2018, 11:03 AM

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Is anyone using GassistPi?

silk veldt Oct 21, 2018, 12:10 PM

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does anyone have a Shelly 2 or 4pro device and can you help me with the MQTT configuration?

dry cairn Oct 21, 2018, 12:13 PM

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no crossposting

pure vine Oct 21, 2018, 2:33 PM

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I think im going to have to give the met office component some love soon, needs forcast support

valid patrol Oct 21, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Hello ! 😃

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im new here ! I dont know if this is the right place to ask this... but here it goes ! Recently i bought Broadlink RM Pro ! and I want to use it with Homekit! I google it and looks like I have to use Homebridge! Where should i install homebridge? RPI?

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 7:37 PM

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The right place to ask can be found by actually reading #rules and by reading the channel topics 😉

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Also, you don't want homebridge, that's dropped in favour of the direct homekit support - asking in #330944238910963714 will get you more

valid patrol Oct 21, 2018, 7:38 PM

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Thanks for the help 😃

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:02 PM

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@clever mortar hey, got a linux question - I got a file name with funky characters in it, and the ownership is screwed up... when I try to delete, I get rm: cannot remove 'py31compat&pyc': Structure needs cleanin error

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any idea what that is?

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pi@PI_FRONTROOM:~/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/pkg_resources $ ls -al
ls: cannot access 'py31compat&pyc': Structure needs cleaning
total 240
drwxr-xr-x  4 pi pi   4096 Feb 11  2018 .
drwx------ 28 pi pi   4096 Feb 11  2018 ..
drwxr-xr-x  2 pi pi   4096 Feb 11  2018 Extern
-rw-r--r--  1 pi pi 106094 Feb 11  2018 __init__.py
-rw-r--r--  1 pi pi 118425 Feb 11  2018 __init__.pyc
-rw-r--r--  1 pi pi    600 Feb 11  2018 py#1compat.py
-?????????  ? ?  ?       ?            ? py31compat&pyc
drwx------  2 pi pi   4096 Mar 31  2018 _vendor

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looks like a corrupt file, but I can't delete that damn file

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even with sudo

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:04 PM

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That's a corrupt directory entry, rather than file

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:04 PM

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ah!

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:04 PM

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Have you run an fsck on the file system?

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:04 PM

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not lately...

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:04 PM

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I'd do that, unmount it and fsck it

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:04 PM

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never ran that command in my life before 😉

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:04 PM

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Lucky you

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:05 PM

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I assume it is file system check?

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:05 PM

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Yeah, exactly that

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:05 PM

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fsck from util-linux 2.29.2
e2fsck 1.43.4 (31-Jan-2017)
/dev/mmcblk0p2 is mounted.



WARNING!!!  The filesystem is mounted.   If you continue you ***WILL***
cause ***SEVERE*** filesystem damage.

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:05 PM

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It needs the file system to be unmounted

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:05 PM

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scary 😃

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:05 PM

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Yeah, never run it on a life FS, bad shit happens

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:05 PM

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how do I do that?

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:06 PM

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Is that a Pi?

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:06 PM

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yes

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:06 PM

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In theory you can reboot and it'll do it, but I think you can force that. Let me check

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:06 PM

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ok... let me reboot - have done it a few times already

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:06 PM

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https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/61723/raspberry-pi-3-and-raspbian-jessie-how-to-run-fsck-at-boot

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You add stuff to the boot arguments

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:07 PM

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ah, ok.. let me try that

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does that mean I have to add to the SD card's boot.txt file?

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:08 PM

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Should be /boot/cmdline.txt according to that

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:09 PM

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I think it went bonkers already 😛

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doesn't come back... after reboot

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wait, it came back

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😓

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:09 PM

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Next thing to check would have been dmesg for any errors on mmc

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This might be a good time to check you've got a backup 😛

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:10 PM

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I got nothing on that RPi.. nothing to backup 😉

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:10 PM

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That's good at least 😄

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:10 PM

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just a snapcast client running, that is one line of command, no data

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yup

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all my data at home is constantly backed to my NAS, I never worry about my data

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:11 PM

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Nice to find somebody else who takes their backups seriously

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Not enough do, as we see every week here 😛

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:11 PM

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yes, I made my share of mistakes before, life teaches you lessons 😛

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do you have that fsck command in your boot.txt file? Is that something I should add to all my RPis?

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I got like 13 RPis at home, it will take a while 😉

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:13 PM

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I don't - I only use it when things are FUBAR

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:13 PM

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ah, I see...

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:13 PM

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I'm very glad my main systems run proper journaling file systems

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:14 PM

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cool... my dd-wrt is causing issues, had to setup device at home

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that's why hassbot died last night,, the server got a different IP

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:14 PM

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Ah

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:14 PM

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I painstakingly assigned all static IPs so that I can monitor

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:14 PM

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Yeah, I last played with dd-wrt a looooong time ago. It was ok back then, but Mikrotik was so much better

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:15 PM

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never heard of Mikrotik before.. I heard about tomato...

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will have to look that up

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:15 PM

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They're the Routerboard range of hardware

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Cheaper than Ubiquiti by far, but not as solid

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Huge step up from a cheap ass router running dd-wrt though

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https://mikrotik.com/

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:17 PM

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thank you! I will look into it.. my only worry is there are so many bugs with the dd-wrt, and they haven't updated the firmware for a while

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:17 PM

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Yeah, it was hit and miss when I used it back then. Some revisions were ok, some where unstable. That's why I ditched it

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Mikrotik was good, but the (much more expensive) pfSense build was another step up

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:19 PM

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yes, I have heard of pfsense... I should have checked that!

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there are always compatibility issues with the device

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:20 PM

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Yeah, that's always the pain of anything FreeBSD based, but you can buy prepared kit for it these days

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That said, the forum was pretty good at helping folks pick out hardware

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:20 PM

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yes, a buddy of mine recommended pfsense compatible hardware - which is about $200

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:21 PM

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That's not terrible, compared to the prices Ubiquiti charges

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:21 PM

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absolutely!

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I may go that route if I can't get my Palo Alto firewall back up and running... it is giving me grief

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:21 PM

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I've not had the pleasure of PA yet

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:21 PM

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such an advanced firewall on a low powerd device - terrible design from palo alto

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Palo Alto Firewall is the NextGen firewall - that is what we use in our data centers... I got a complimentary copy, but a small one, performs terribly

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:23 PM

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Sounds like the old 5 port Cisco firewall I had years ago, similar deal. It had all the features of bigger units, and a tiny fraction of the power

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Great at up to 50 Mb/s , maybe

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:23 PM

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yup. exactly!

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it supports up to 100Mb/s

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my home internet speed is only 100 Mb/s, so it is okay for now

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:24 PM

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Nearly three times what I get 😛

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:25 PM

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lol - honestly, it is an overkill for my home... 30 Mb/s is good enough

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my usage has never been more than 30 Mb/s - with all the streaming, binge watching and all

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:26 PM

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I could do with about twice what I've got, though I could more do with stability - the nature of the UK's DSL infrastructure is that it's not always awesome, or even good

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:26 PM

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upload speeds are good - I get upto 10Mb/s

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:26 PM

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I have the pleasure of 18 Mb/s up, and about 30 Mb/s to 45 Mb/s down depending on random factors

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:26 PM

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we dont have fiber optics in our area... I'd love to get that

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cool

clever mortar Oct 21, 2018, 8:27 PM

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In theory it's coming our way, some time

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But, timescales are fuzzy - initially it was supposed to be at the start of this year, so I'm not holding out much hope for "soon"

last plaza Oct 21, 2018, 8:27 PM

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yeah..

near flare Oct 21, 2018, 9:05 PM

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@light trout can you send me Franck's twitch url

light trout Oct 21, 2018, 9:06 PM

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https://www.twitch.tv/frenck

near flare Oct 21, 2018, 9:07 PM

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@light trout thanks

dry cairn Oct 21, 2018, 10:31 PM

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@amber bramble you got the 4mp or 5mp

amber bramble Oct 21, 2018, 10:50 PM

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i think 4MP?

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2560x1440

dry cairn Oct 21, 2018, 10:58 PM

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k

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seems a total power cycle fixed the ghosting @amber bramble

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 3:35 AM

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Hey @midnight adder

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:35 AM

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Hey

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 3:36 AM

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So that article doesn't show how to post

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:37 AM

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the web server library shuold have examples.

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almost all of them have several examples to ilustrate the functions

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here might be a better example https://randomnerdtutorials.com/esp8266-web-server/

Random Nerd Tutorials

Rui Santos

Build an ESP8266 Web Server - Code and Schematics

This post is a step-by-step guide that shows you how to build a standalone ESP8266 Web Server that controls two outputs (two LEDs). This ESP8266 Web Server is mobile responsive and it can be accessed with any device that as a browser in your local network.

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most tutorials give you the actual INO also, I am not seeing that on this site

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strange

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 3:40 AM

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Well these examples are OK, but they're just dealing with it without HA

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I need to integrate it with HA

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I may need to figure out MQTT I guess

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:41 AM

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Oh, well that's a completely different story

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yeah, mqtt make that trivial!

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 3:41 AM

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i don't know anyting about mqtt

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:41 AM

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it's actually extremely simple once you get arond the terminology

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Do you have mqtt setup n your HA yet?

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 3:44 AM

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Could you point me to a tutorial you like?

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I did the

    password: 'pass'```

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:45 AM

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are you using a raspi?

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 3:45 AM

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Which should enable the build in broker I believe

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No, it's on a VM on a server

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:45 AM

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so using the built in.. ok

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I am looking for one of my examples

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I use 433Mhz receivers, so that's far more complicated than you need

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 3:46 AM

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Oh nice

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I was looking into that at one point

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What are you using that for?

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:47 AM

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I have ambient weather sensor and a weather station, so I decided to reuse them. I have a 433Mhz dongle that listens for the sensors to check in each minute, then I use python to spit out the temp, which HA logs to grafana and influx

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it's a lot easier than it sounds

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 3:48 AM

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That's neat. Great idea

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:48 AM

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📎 MQQT_Publish.txt

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this is using a dallas, but you'll just sub in your sensor stuff...

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 3:50 AM

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why is the int length important?

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:51 AM

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where?

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OH...

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 3:51 AM

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inside void mqttpublish()

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:52 AM

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because you will be using a char array, and those require a length to be specified

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there are several ways to do it, and using strings is the BAD way

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 3:52 AM

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gawd I wish I could just run python on nodemcu

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This would be so easy

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:52 AM

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you can run ... minipy or something

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 3:52 AM

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....what

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tell me more

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:53 AM

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LOL

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hold on a sec

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 3:53 AM

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that changes everything for me lol. I'm proficient in python

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:54 AM

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AHH.. micropython

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https://learn.adafruit.com/micropython-basics-what-is-micropython/overview

MicroPython Basics: What is MicroPython?

What is MicroPython, why would you use it?

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📎 home_temp_sensors.yaml

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here's how you'd hook it up in HA once you got the info into mqtt

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 3:56 AM

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I wouldn't even need MQTT if I can use python

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https://www.home-assistant.io/components/sensor.http/

Home Assistant

HTTP Sensor

Instructions on how to integrate HTTP sensors within Home Assistant.

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:56 AM

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I thik MQTT is flexible enough for so many things... almost everything can talk mqtt these days

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 3:57 AM

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I really should learn it

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I've been doing HA since like 0.30

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:57 AM

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it's surprisingly easy

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 3:57 AM

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I should rebuild the whole thing from scratch

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:59 AM

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well, mqtt is so simple in the way it works, and it's so flexible... it's the easist way to get disparate systems to talk

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it's the terminology that throws people... like publihs just means transmit

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subscribe just means listen

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broken means server....

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etc

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 4:00 AM

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K screw it. I'll learn to do MQTT instead

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 4:01 AM

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there's nothing special about mqtt at all, just think of the topics like drawers in a filing cabint.. and the biggest mistake people make is that topics are case sensitive, including the slash at the end and everything... it's just like a unix file path.

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other than that... it's simple

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also # is a wildcard so dev/this/# means all sub topics of dev/this/

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 4:03 AM

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what are the topics for

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 4:03 AM

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just conversations.... ways to separate who is talkingg

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they are subjects, that's all

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think channels on the radio

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subscribe to a topic to listen to who ever publishes or transmits on the channel

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so a million converstionc can be going on in the same server

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 4:04 AM

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I feel like this is going over my head and it shouldn't be

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Where do I define channels

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 4:04 AM

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it's simple.. don't overthink it

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you define them simply but subscribing to them or publishing to them

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a client connects to a server (broker) and says subscribe to channel dev/this/sensors for example, and then whoever subscribes to that topic gets a rebroadcast of the messages from the server

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 4:06 AM

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But the server is on the HA machine

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 4:06 AM

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yep

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it's the broker

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 4:06 AM

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and I want the nodemcu to publish to the server

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 4:07 AM

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yep

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so the node doesn't actually need to subscribe to send the info.. only to listen.

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HA will subscibe to the topics

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since HA is a separate server running on the VM

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HA spins up its own MQTT server

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I run mosquitto mqtt server

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on the same HA box though.. HA subscribes.. see the yaml I sent? the topic line tells HA to subscribe to that topic

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so HA listens to it.. when the Pythin script hears teh sensor, it publishes to that topic, and HA grabs it, sends it to influx to be stored in the DB, and grafana can then graph it

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just like any other sensor, door, light, etc

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make sense?

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 4:10 AM

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ish

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I'm a practical learner

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so I've set up the broker

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How do I test that it's working, before anything else

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 4:11 AM

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I am not 100% because you are using the built in HA mqtt, but you shold be able to use an mqtt app on your phone to test

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i have used "mqtt dash" before on the phone, or you can use the mosquitto-client tools in a termnial

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 4:13 AM

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OK, I'm trying a phone app

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It's asking for a client ID

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is that just a name I give the phone client?

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 4:13 AM

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any name.. it's arbitrary

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yes

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it's not used anywhere from what I have seen

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only to list who sent the message

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Are you using packages?

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in HA?

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 4:16 AM

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Uhh

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not sure what that is

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is that a hass.io thing?

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 4:17 AM

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hell no

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don't say you are running hassio??

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 4:17 AM

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no

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 4:17 AM

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Ok, look up packages for HA. it's how you put an entire configuartion in one file like I gave you

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instead of spreading it over 5 files.

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 4:18 AM

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I was wondering about that

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One step at a time here 😃

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 4:18 AM

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you'll want to convert to packages

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 4:19 AM

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What's the MQTT username with the built in one?

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I don't think there is one is there?

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 4:19 AM

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anyway, when you add that file to your config, then publish a temperature to the listed topic (you'll want to change to suit you of course) then the info should show up in HA

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mmmm. I don't know but I don't think so

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 4:21 AM

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Well MQTT-Dash can't connnect

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 4:21 AM

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what ver HA are you on?

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 4:21 AM

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0.75.1

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 4:22 AM

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Ok, so no forced auth

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 4:22 AM

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Is that something in upcoming versions?

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 4:22 AM

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hahaha

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yes

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read the change logs before you upgrade

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you will regret it if you do not

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 4:23 AM

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lol

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what's the issue with forced auth?

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 4:23 AM

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people kept putting their HA on the internet

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give the project a bad name

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 4:24 AM

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Mine's accessible from the internet, but I have auth enabled

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 4:24 AM

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so I'd recommend using mosquitto rather than the built in...

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 4:24 AM

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OK

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i don't have a certificate and I'm not using HTTPS

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will that be a problem

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 4:25 AM

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I am going to Dm you som instructions

pine ingot Oct 22, 2018, 4:25 AM

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word

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thanks

pseudo siren Oct 22, 2018, 7:13 AM

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Any tellduslive.py contributors here?

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 11:30 AM

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@midnight adder yeah, i havent seen one withouth auth, but untill i can get openVPN working correctly i have to expose it with auth and HTTPs

shut sonnet Oct 22, 2018, 11:33 AM

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Hey guys

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Do any of you use heatsinks or fans on your raspberry pi 3 b+?

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 11:47 AM

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I stopped using a pi, but the small heatsinks you can get are alright

clever mortar Oct 22, 2018, 12:41 PM

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No need for one unless you live somewhere that's typically over 30C and/or you don't let it get any airflow

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 12:44 PM

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b.b.but an unnecessary heatsink looks cool

gloomy canyon Oct 22, 2018, 12:50 PM

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@midnight adder I feel you 100%. but sometimes peoples keep reading the docs but are that kind of frustrated that they need to be a bit spoonfed...

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 12:51 PM

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well if they read it that would be fine but most don't

gloomy canyon Oct 22, 2018, 12:51 PM

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endresult in a 100% hardcore rtfm community would be less people

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 12:51 PM

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is that a bad thing?

gloomy canyon Oct 22, 2018, 12:51 PM

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well not for devs but for fundraising...

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spread the word 😉

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 12:52 PM

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most expect to be spoon fed and the code written without reading anything

gloomy canyon Oct 22, 2018, 12:52 PM

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and an alternative to any other bull*** closed source **** is imho a good thing

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 12:52 PM

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less people would be better

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 12:53 PM

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it gets old fast when you got nothing but help vampires

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 12:53 PM

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that way, te truly "unsolvable" issue get discussed.. not how to RTFM

gloomy canyon Oct 22, 2018, 12:53 PM

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but being rude helps nobody

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 12:53 PM

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and when you point to the docs you get the man i expected support here

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 12:54 PM

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apparently you can't help some people... if you feed a rat, more appear

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 12:54 PM

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truth is not rude

clever mortar Oct 22, 2018, 12:54 PM

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Lead people to the docs, and help them understand them

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Just pointing folks at the docs won't work until we fix the docs

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 12:54 PM

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if they can't handle the truth and think its rude let them go to the hello kitty channel

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🤔 we need one of those

gloomy canyon Oct 22, 2018, 12:55 PM

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toast channel :>

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and toast role

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 12:55 PM

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there s a difference between giving em the bitter truth and beeing rude

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snowflakes can't handle either of em

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they go instantly into selfentitlement mode

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 12:56 PM

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computers and geeks used to be about people who wanted to learn... not people who wanted their hand held

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this modern culture of hand-holding is sickening

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 12:56 PM

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why should i learn this when you can give me the answer and code it for me

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 12:57 PM

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exactly

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people feel entitled to answers

last cradle Oct 22, 2018, 12:57 PM

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grumpy old farts

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 12:57 PM

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this shit's serious.. it's everywhere

last cradle Oct 22, 2018, 12:57 PM

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sittin at the coffee shop in the morning bitching about modern kids

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 12:57 PM

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i got no issue helping a legit problem but i have a problem catering to morons

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 12:57 PM

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same as the I'll sue you because the coffee doesn't say it's hot

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 12:58 PM

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@last cradle GET OFF MY LAWN

gloomy canyon Oct 22, 2018, 12:58 PM

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So if your level of geekness is too low go and use some iot crap?

last cradle Oct 22, 2018, 12:58 PM

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lol

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 12:58 PM

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huh?

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 12:58 PM

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has nothing to do with geekness

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 12:58 PM

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this is all iot crap

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 12:58 PM

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it has to do with the willingness to learn

gloomy canyon Oct 22, 2018, 12:59 PM

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Yeah and sometimes ppl need a helping hand to get on the track

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 12:59 PM

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people are unwilling to help themselves

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it's in the fucking #rules

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 12:59 PM

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and unwilling to learn

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 12:59 PM

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TRY first.. THEN come ask questions

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 12:59 PM

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thats the reason so many ppl in here don't wanna help anyone and are hiding

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:00 PM

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I am ok with helping people.. no issues.. but help yourself first

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:00 PM

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at least try

clever mortar Oct 22, 2018, 1:00 PM

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You've got to remember, some folks either don't know how, or feel overwhelmed by how hard this seems to be

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:00 PM

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but then you get the ...have you looked at the docs ? uhm no i though you guys are support and do it for me

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:01 PM

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and you get attacked for telling someone to actually observe the welcome rules

gloomy canyon Oct 22, 2018, 1:01 PM

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You mean me?

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:01 PM

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oh here we go

clever mortar Oct 22, 2018, 1:01 PM

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You can do that without being rude though @midnight adder 😉

gloomy canyon Oct 22, 2018, 1:01 PM

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Didn't meant to attack you

stable rover Oct 22, 2018, 1:01 PM

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looks like we need a rant about non geeks channel

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:01 PM

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this went downhill fast

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:01 PM

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I didn't feel attacked, i am just saying

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:02 PM

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cmon now kids here is your trophys 🏆

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😂

clever mortar Oct 22, 2018, 1:02 PM

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Thing is, we've all got very different views on how this should work - as long as we can all respect that then discussions are fine

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:02 PM

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I mean.. I DID just get banned from the reddit HA... but that's just a symptom

clever mortar Oct 22, 2018, 1:02 PM

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I also think that how it does work, and how it should work, happen to be frustratingly different

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:02 PM

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the real problem is ppl get tired of help vampires and ppl get caught in the middle

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:02 PM

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^ this

clever mortar Oct 22, 2018, 1:03 PM

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So step to the side 😉

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:03 PM

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I want to help with the low lying fruit since I can't help the in depth stuff.. but almost every answer is RTFM

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:03 PM

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dale had a very good article on help vampires in the welcome rules a while ago dunno its still in there

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:03 PM

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did you actually try anything or just run here for help????

clever mortar Oct 22, 2018, 1:03 PM

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That might mean the docs need improved @midnight adder - if folks can't understand it then it's not working

gloomy canyon Oct 22, 2018, 1:04 PM

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sometimes you read the docs for the 29238283 time and there is some stupid little thing you overread...

last cradle Oct 22, 2018, 1:04 PM

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Hey guys.. my screen is blank and there's no lights lit up on y computer. Anyone else ever have this happen? How do I fix it?

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:04 PM

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hammer

gloomy canyon Oct 22, 2018, 1:04 PM

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toast

clever mortar Oct 22, 2018, 1:04 PM

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And yeah, I remember various frustrations trying to learn stuff before, until it just clicked because somebody explained it in a different way

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:04 PM

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comeo n man.. you are CONSTANTLY pointing people to the exact wording they didn't even bother to skip over because they didn't read it at all

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:04 PM

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every computer problem can get fixed easily with a hammer

gloomy canyon Oct 22, 2018, 1:04 PM

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or magic smoke

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:04 PM

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or that

stable rover Oct 22, 2018, 1:05 PM

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docs could definitely use some love.

last cradle Oct 22, 2018, 1:05 PM

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@dry cairn fixes everythong with his magic smoke

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:05 PM

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magic smoke usually follows the hammer

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@last cradle wrong magic smoke 😛

last cradle Oct 22, 2018, 1:05 PM

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lol

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that reminds me.. I need to go get my 5th PR for Hacktoberfest lol

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back to the docs

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:06 PM

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hmmm i wonder if anyone came up with smoketoberfest yet

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anyways the point is ppl get worn out by help vampires

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hence we have so many good ppl just staying away and hiding

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 1:16 PM

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@dry cairn @midnight adder I do what @clever mortar is suggesting, i talk to people, If its in the docs i point them to it(A lot of the time people miss stuff when reading the docs, the search needs to be better there) I try and teach them over telling them

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that said im not arround much so i dont do it often

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:17 PM

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I want to help people, not carry them

clever mortar Oct 22, 2018, 1:17 PM

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And sometimes you have to carry folks out of the forest

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If they walk back in, that's their problem

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 1:17 PM

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Sometimes the docs dont have something to

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Ive seen a lot of examples of people here going, its in the docs, I look and its super vage or non-existant

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:18 PM

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But that's not the case I am speak of

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I mean people who WANT to be spoonfed

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 1:19 PM

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and then there are the people asking for help that ignore the help

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I just give up with them

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:19 PM

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which is getting out of hand

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 1:19 PM

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🤷

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those people will always exist and we just have to cope

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:20 PM

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Here's the problem: https://www.home-assistant.io/help/

Home Assistant

Help

If you need help or have a question...

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 1:20 PM

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the linux community some how does

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:20 PM

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the very first thing is to ask for help

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:20 PM

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i used to help ppl then the selfentitled help vampires showed up and are beeing catered to just like on facebook

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seems if you scream loud enough wrong becomes right

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:21 PM

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The help page should point to the docs

stable rover Oct 22, 2018, 1:21 PM

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also i like to point out a recent example where a guy was working on template and didn't know anything about the templates section, just because it was the last thing mentioned on the template doc page. And I think to this day it is not mentioned on the Template Sensor Page etc.

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:21 PM

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THEN the docs should point to the help

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 1:21 PM

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edit it to add "these resorces are not stackoverflow, we expect you to read our suggestions and give full sentance responeses"

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:22 PM

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YES

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it's like english as a 10th language

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which... I'd actually respect

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:22 PM

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well i do know a couple

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 1:22 PM

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@stable rover yeah, the docs are not very clear sometimes, i found that with the hangouts docs

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:22 PM

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but i think english is 4th ot 5th for me 😂

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:23 PM

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But @stable rover that is almost a legit reason to ask for help.. they seem to have quit right before the solution 😄

clever mortar Oct 22, 2018, 1:23 PM

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@stable rover When Github isn't broken, can you submit an edit to add a note about that to all the template components please - it's a very valid point

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 1:23 PM

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shall we move this discussion on to a issue on the docs repo on github

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:23 PM

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If I knew how to fix these problems, I wouldn't just be bitching

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:24 PM

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then the newest ones are the ones that come in here saying we paid 5$ for this crap you there help me fix it NOW

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:25 PM

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but I also don't feel like the authority to make changes to something that affects the entire world without buy-in from the "experts" but then... why am I doing it if they still need to be invovled

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 1:25 PM

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@dry cairn my response would be "Nabu casa is not a support subscription"

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:25 PM

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right like they would just buy that

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then they go on and on and on

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we've seen it

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 1:26 PM

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Im going to edit the help page to add that note, although i will wait to see if people disagree with it

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:28 PM

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unlike the common conception here i do know my shit i'm doing here but i'm just sick and tired of the BS i just be more blunt about it ...i don t see why i should sugar coat it

orchid rose Oct 22, 2018, 1:29 PM

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because sugarcoating is the basis for a working society

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:30 PM

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its not it turns ppl into whining sissys that ruin good things for everyone

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:30 PM

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I don't know my stuff near as much as I want to.. and I lurked for a while trying to learn.. but time after time I saw the same questions asked by people who refused to help themselves before asking..... I can't deal with that, so I usually stay away, and can be of no help whatsoever if I can't tell people to RTFM, or follow the wlecome rules. Why have the rules, if they mean nothing??

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This is why M$ charges people for support

orchid rose Oct 22, 2018, 1:30 PM

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I suggest you try the approach of being 100% straight on everything in real life and see how it works out

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:31 PM

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it works out great

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:31 PM

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If it's expensive, you'll do everything you can before calling.. since this is free, and there's no consequences for wasting others time... ask away!!!

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@orchid rose I actually am

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and people who know me respect the ehll out of me for that

orchid rose Oct 22, 2018, 1:31 PM

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lol, sure

stable rover Oct 22, 2018, 1:31 PM

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good for you

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:31 PM

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all my customers like that i don t beat around the bush

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 1:32 PM

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Opened the issue https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant.io/issues/7008

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:34 PM

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beeing nice all the time will get you nothing but ppl walk all over you

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the trick is to kick em when they down then you steal their wallet 😂

stable rover Oct 22, 2018, 1:35 PM

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just ranting without providing possible solutions is also not helpful

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 1:35 PM

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wait, the issue disappered

stable rover Oct 22, 2018, 1:35 PM

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we got your point

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 1:35 PM

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Im confused

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:35 PM

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what issue

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 1:35 PM

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you clearly haven't been reading and decided to just jumo in and make smart assed comments @stable rover

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:36 PM

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oh that guy yeah

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 1:36 PM

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@stable rover thats not what we are saying

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:36 PM

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he's just one of those so called i jump on the bandwagon with the most ppl on it

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 1:36 PM

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we are tired of people treating discord as Stackoverflow by expecting help while putting in little effort themselfs

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These people are ignoring Links to docs and resist guidence to the awnsers as they want copy paste sulitions

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:37 PM

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you know @pure vine i really did not like you one bit but it seems i have been wrong

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pretty sure that fruity ass avatar you had didn t help

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 1:38 PM

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I will provide Copy Paste in some cases, like exploring ideas, but not "something to do a thing that take a few lines of yaml and are in the examples"

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Uhh, github issues are broken

clever mortar Oct 22, 2018, 1:40 PM

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And have been for 14+ hours

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 1:41 PM

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Oh

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I must have missed it this morning

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havent been on twitter yet today

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I blame microsoft

orchid rose Oct 22, 2018, 1:41 PM

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maybe they tried to update it but it deleted all the issues instead

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 1:42 PM

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Ohh, i like this

📎 unknown.png

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duck duck go can grab info from status page

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ahh, a database failed

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not all, github is one

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Hmm, i might make one for any statuspage service

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 1:50 PM

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looks like a microsoft message

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hey we broke stuff in production by testing it on you but no worries you may have lost data but thats ok

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 2:43 PM

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I GOT IT!!!!

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Have a new room called #COMPLETE-NOOB

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or drop all new users into a room called #I-DIDN'T-READ-THE-DOCS

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then when they graduate out of that..... we can actually help them

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 2:45 PM

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well most of em get dropped into hassio by default but it seems they keep finding a way out of there

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 2:45 PM

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hahah

clever mortar Oct 22, 2018, 2:46 PM

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There was actually a discussion about having two "general" rooms, one for noobs and one for experienced folks, but the assumption was the ones most needing to use the noob room would use the other one, because clearly they weren't noobs...

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 2:47 PM

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well thats a great idea so we can hang out in the noob general since it will clearly be empty 😛

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or put a 3 day timer on all other channels

shy comet Oct 22, 2018, 2:59 PM

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honestly until people stop going in to a Dev channel asking for help i dont think any amount of channels or topics will help the situation

clever mortar Oct 22, 2018, 2:59 PM

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Nope

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That's why a separate channel wasn't created

amber bramble Oct 22, 2018, 3:00 PM

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I'd be in support of putting the dev channels behind a different role like the other misc channels

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 3:01 PM

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the problem is reading and understanding the funny symbols that where invented thousands of years ago

clever mortar Oct 22, 2018, 3:01 PM

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Yup, it was proposed @amber bramble - but seems to have stalled

shy comet Oct 22, 2018, 3:01 PM

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@dry cairn you forgot a keyword there......"wanting to"

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 3:01 PM

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right

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good example of that is that bozo in diy

shy comet Oct 22, 2018, 3:03 PM

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lol

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:03 PM

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the confusion may be that people think the help comes from the devs

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and not that it's for devs to talk

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 3:04 PM

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think?

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now you just going too far

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:04 PM

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I have asked for help there becasue I had an issue that even @clever mortar couldn't help with!!!

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 3:04 PM

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📎 39uf.gif

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:04 PM

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LOL

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 3:04 PM

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BZZZZZ

rose comet Oct 22, 2018, 3:05 PM

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thats exactly who I imagined everytime you post @dry cairn

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:05 PM

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OH,, so you can read between the lines, just not docs? 😛

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 3:05 PM

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😂

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good one

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The mocking shall continue until brain activity improoves

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:10 PM

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Well, if you can't laugh at yourself, you are beyond hope. I make myself laugh daily. I was in harris teeter the other day and in the pet aisl e I saw a bag with a turkey on it, and I thought.. how ecclectic... they have turkey chow.

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 3:10 PM

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😂

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:11 PM

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but it makes you think.. they have dogs and cats on all the other brands

shy comet Oct 22, 2018, 3:11 PM

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yea lol

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:11 PM

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why have a damned turkey on the bag of dog food

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 3:12 PM

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its to trick ppl into thinking its thanksgiving stuffing

midnight adder Oct 22, 2018, 3:13 PM

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LOL... this stuffing is SOOO dry and crunchy!! What's your secret???

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 3:13 PM

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yep

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1 product miltiple uses

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 3:37 PM

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@midnight adder I mean the devs have brilliant ideas with configs a lot, but there are a lot of better people at configs in the community too

clever mortar Oct 22, 2018, 3:39 PM

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Key thing I find with devs (or any other specialism) is that folks get tunnel vision, and stop thinking of others

pure vine Oct 22, 2018, 3:39 PM

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Also is github working yet

amber bramble Oct 22, 2018, 3:45 PM

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github seems mostly better

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but still not 100%

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 4:06 PM

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so knowing that its owned by microsoft now not 100% is normal

clever mortar Oct 22, 2018, 4:09 PM

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The story of the migration of Hotmail from FreeBSD to Windows hopefully doesn't parallel this 😛

dry cairn Oct 22, 2018, 4:27 PM

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i like bsd

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found it very usable the other day

tough igloo Oct 23, 2018, 3:01 AM

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Anyone is Aus connected a Brivis evap cooler (wiring tw1 tw2) to their smart thermostat i.e. nest or ecobee? Research tells me that I will need the Brivis 529 analog interface, but unsure if this is just for heaters.

rare condor Oct 23, 2018, 3:07 PM

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@tough igloo I have setup my Brivis heating not sure if it will work in your context without an interface as the Nest, ecobee etc. really just act as an intelligent switch with minimal logic interfacing

rain swift Oct 23, 2018, 5:15 PM

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anyone ever use something like this? https://www.thepawtracker.com/blogs/the-pet-tracker-blog-by-the-paw-tracker/airlines-lost-your-luggage-get-a-gps-tracker-for-your-checked-baggage

PawTracker

Airlines Lost Your Luggage? Get a GPS Tracker for Your Checked Bag...

Airlines Lost Your Luggage? Get a GPS Tracker for Your Checked Baggage! Have you ever been a victim of lost luggage? Nothing spoils a trip more than waiting and watching other peoples bags go round and round knowing deep down inside that your clothes are in another airport....

vast dove Oct 23, 2018, 5:57 PM

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@rain swift I used the Trackdot for about 9 months, ended up trashing it as it was causing me more stress then good when it didn't work or was lagging behind.
Would sometimes say it was back in departure airport and then show up on the baggage belt in front of me at the arrival airport. 50/50 if it was checking in while transiting at different airports made it more worrisome for me then helpful. I used it on 5-10 trips a month in the time period.

pure vine Oct 23, 2018, 6:27 PM

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@rain swift most airlines in the EU want you to disconnect their batterys infilght

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so like before you check them in

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although, im confused about how this happens, most airports are automated especily big ones like hethrow

clever mortar Oct 23, 2018, 6:32 PM

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You're no longer allowed to put Lithium batteries in the hold from memory, and they'll catch anything other than really small ones in the scanning process.

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You're not even allowed to carry larger ones in carry on any more

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(100 Wh is the limit)

vast dove Oct 23, 2018, 6:32 PM

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The trackdot just uses 2 AA batteries, no issues

clever mortar Oct 23, 2018, 6:33 PM

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That'd be fine then

light trout Oct 23, 2018, 6:33 PM

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I had a powerbank with me (in the hold) on my last trip 😛

clever mortar Oct 23, 2018, 6:34 PM

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Tsk tsk tsk 😉

vast dove Oct 23, 2018, 6:35 PM

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100 Wh is quite a large powerbank so normally no issues

clever mortar Oct 23, 2018, 6:35 PM

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From my own travel experience I know some airports are more on the case than others. Some you could smuggle a marching band through in your luggage. Others will spot the intent to smuggle an extra 1ml of liquids through 😛

vast dove Oct 23, 2018, 6:36 PM

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I find the UK airports to be some of the worst in the EU..

clever mortar Oct 23, 2018, 6:36 PM

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I had one trip where it wasn't until the last leg that anybody spotted the anti-perspirant in the bag, that'd gone through two other security checks and been missed

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Meh, some of ours are good, and some are shocking

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Funny that my view of them declines the closer to London they are 😄

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Though, if you're used to them and learn them, even the worst aren't that bad

vast dove Oct 23, 2018, 6:37 PM

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Heathrow terminal 2 is fine on check-in, transit is meh...

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My worst is probably Manchester in the UK. hate it

clever mortar Oct 23, 2018, 6:38 PM

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Heathrow is a maze if you don't know it. Never done Manchester, but done most of the rest

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Schiphol is my favourite EU airport

light trout Oct 23, 2018, 6:38 PM

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The powerbank I had with me are 22000mAh (110Wh) so just a little over 😛

vast dove Oct 23, 2018, 6:38 PM

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As long as you dont do EU<>US in Amsterdam its fine.

light trout Oct 23, 2018, 6:39 PM

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I had never heard about that rule before now
Guess I failed to RTFM...

vast dove Oct 23, 2018, 6:39 PM

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Frankfurt is smooth, Copenhagen is awsome.

clever mortar Oct 23, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Paris, Schiphol, and Brussels are the ones I know too well. Dotted around a few other others, but it's been years since I was last in Frankfurt

vast dove Oct 23, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Heathrow Terminal 2 is good, the others are meh.

light trout Oct 23, 2018, 6:40 PM

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Copenhagen are awesome, last time I was there they had a "smokers area" 😛

vast dove Oct 23, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Done my fair share of travel the last 18 months 😛

clever mortar Oct 23, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Hopefully that's either personal, or you got some time to see those places

vast dove Oct 23, 2018, 6:46 PM

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50/50

clever mortar Oct 23, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Work sends me all over the place, and I never get time to really see the places 🤷

light trout Oct 23, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Finnmark too... My condolences. 😂

vast dove Oct 23, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Tromsø 😄

light trout Oct 23, 2018, 6:47 PM

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Close enough. 🤪

stable rover Oct 23, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Tromso is super nice

vast dove Oct 23, 2018, 7:29 PM

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For a short period of time 😄

light trout Oct 23, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Like a flyover?

vast dove Oct 23, 2018, 7:34 PM

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a few days is nice

tough igloo Oct 23, 2018, 10:38 PM

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Thanks @rare condor so you have the 529 working? I already have my heater hooked up to my ecobee and have had for over a year with no problems. I also have an evap cooler and trying to find the best way to connect that. I’ll try the 529 and see what happens!

rare condor Oct 23, 2018, 11:18 PM

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@tough igloo I ended up going a different route for my Evap cooler, as it used an encrypted protocol I made a PCB with some transistors to control the RF Remote using a Microcontroller. As far as I know the 529, is not supported but I would be interested to hear how it goes.

tough igloo Oct 23, 2018, 11:21 PM

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I’ll let you know. I seen people use the 529 to hook their Brivis up to a nest. I’ve also heard that Brivis pushes people to the 529 for connecting smart thermostats. I called them earlier and they said it should work

rare condor Oct 23, 2018, 11:39 PM

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ah that'g good my Breezeair unit doesn't work with any other thermostats only included model, thanks to the encrypted protocol and specialized rj12 cable :/

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(which they of course charge $700 for replacement )

quaint tapir Oct 24, 2018, 9:35 AM

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@clever mortar do you have first hand experiece with unifi?

clever mortar Oct 24, 2018, 9:38 AM

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Ish - I don't run it at home, but I've used it elsewhere (like when setting up small events) and have a bunch of friends and colleagues who use it

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It remains on my list of things to buy, but life keeps destroying my "toys" budget by requiring more important things be replace/repaired 🤷

molten flax Oct 24, 2018, 9:40 AM

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@quaint tapir - i do, i have about 10 different unifi units with many uses 😃

quaint tapir Oct 24, 2018, 9:41 AM

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@molten flax my use case would be, normal wifi, guest wifi, IoT wifi in possibly separate vlan.

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are they capable of 802.11s mesh networking?

molten flax Oct 24, 2018, 9:43 AM

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they have specific units that utilise 802.11s for mesh, though their standard AP's will do automatic wireless uplinking

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though i cant say if its using 802.11s standard for that

rocky tangle Oct 24, 2018, 9:46 AM

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@quaint tapir I run them in my house

quaint tapir Oct 24, 2018, 9:46 AM

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@rocky tangle would buy again?

rocky tangle Oct 24, 2018, 9:46 AM

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hmmm

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possibly - well the APs are - its more the integration that I am not 100% happy with

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well I went for Unifi Switch, APs, CloudKey initially - all good but the frontend keeps nagging you not having a gateway so some of the widgets remain empty or they actually tell you dont have a gateway

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to consider a gateway (firewall/router) you would consider ok if I get one then with all bells and whistles turned on eg DPI & IDS/IPS

quaint tapir Oct 24, 2018, 9:51 AM

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I'd just need a Wifi-AP. the routing shall be done by a microtik routerboard

rocky tangle Oct 24, 2018, 9:51 AM

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and here is the misconception - I got 1gbps fibre and for a unifi gateway (that runs suricata for IDS/IPS) to fully inspect my traffic as you cant define eg zones to monitor I would need a XG8 which costs around £2200

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the APs are fine you will however need a controller to manage them properly

quaint tapir Oct 24, 2018, 9:52 AM

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what kind of controller?

rocky tangle Oct 24, 2018, 9:52 AM

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its software free or you can get the original cloudkeys for cheap since they released the new cloudkeys

quaint tapir Oct 24, 2018, 9:52 AM

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they don't have a built in web interface for configuration?

rocky tangle Oct 24, 2018, 9:53 AM

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https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Wireless/UniFi-AP-without-Controller-software/td-p/301678

UniFi AP without Controller software

Hello, I have looked at the wiki and user docs along with looking over the forums and cannot find my answer. Maybe I over looked it or maybe it is just not answered. I do see many posts related to my question but no one seems to clearly answer as to how to configured the AP ...

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nope

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 9:53 AM

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@quaint tapir i'm doing exactly this. I have a MikroTik RB2011-UiAS and a Unifi UAP-AC-LR

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you only need the controller for initial setup, but i'd recommend it going forward as well

rocky tangle Oct 24, 2018, 9:53 AM

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you can run it on your pc and disable it after it has been configured but you need a controller to manage it

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people install them on raspberry pis even

molten flax Oct 24, 2018, 9:54 AM

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i believe you can do it without a controller purely via the android/ios app

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 9:54 AM

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yeah, i've done that too

molten flax Oct 24, 2018, 9:54 AM

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which is also a better alternative

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 9:54 AM

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and yes i believe thats possible also @molten flax

rocky tangle Oct 24, 2018, 9:54 AM

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I dont think you can as the app connects to the controller

quaint tapir Oct 24, 2018, 9:54 AM

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@rose shuttle @rocky tangle thx, that sheds some light onto these devices

molten flax Oct 24, 2018, 9:55 AM

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if an AP isn't adopted to a controller

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it can be individually managed

rocky tangle Oct 24, 2018, 9:55 AM

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depeding on your use-case look at the nanohd they are pretty good else the regular ap ac pro

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I got both

molten flax Oct 24, 2018, 9:55 AM

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https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/226395988-UniFi-Managing-Access-Points-via-UniFi-Mobile-App

Ubiquiti Networks Support and Help Center

UniFi - Managing Access Points via UniFi Mobile App

Overview

The UniFi Mobile App allows UniFi Users to manage their network from a variety of platforms and locations. The UniFi Mobile App allows users to manage access points any of three ways:

Ma...

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 9:55 AM

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unifi integrates to Home Assistant as well

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i use it for presence detection

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i.e. the controller

molten flax Oct 24, 2018, 9:56 AM

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yeah me too @rose shuttle

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works nicely

rocky tangle Oct 24, 2018, 9:56 AM

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interesting about the app - didnt know - probably as it found my controller

quaint tapir Oct 24, 2018, 9:56 AM

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@molten flax @rose shuttle @rocky tangle thx. I think I'll look around some more. maybe I'll find something that even runs openwrt.

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 9:57 AM

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@quaint tapir Ubiquiti APs are well loved by pretty much everyone, you won't regret it

molten flax Oct 24, 2018, 9:57 AM

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@midnight adder some of the older units have openwrt support, though you wont find it on any of the newer gen products which you'd definitely be buying

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@rocky tangle - yeah, i always forget about that feature until today, always had a controller!

quaint tapir Oct 24, 2018, 9:58 AM

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@molten flax sad....

rocky tangle Oct 24, 2018, 9:58 AM

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I dont believe in the hype but could confirm they work pretty well

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but the ecosystem requirements from a controller perspective, gateway config fragmentation etc is definitely worth improvements

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 9:58 AM

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they are cheap and work well

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you won't generally find anything as good in that price range

molten flax Oct 24, 2018, 9:59 AM

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back when i was in IT for SMB's, I used to deploy unifi gear everywhere, today as a homelabber it's all i use 😃

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 9:59 AM

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yeah

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i run Cisco at work, unifi at home

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my father just deployed a mesh unifi solution at a hotel too and its great

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can put another AP online within minutes

rocky tangle Oct 24, 2018, 10:01 AM

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when it works ^^^

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 10:01 AM

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it does.

rocky tangle Oct 24, 2018, 10:01 AM

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man was I fihgting with auto-mesh wireless adoption

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 10:01 AM

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and the latest controller is pretty neat too

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the UniFi SDN Controller or whatever it is now.

rocky tangle Oct 24, 2018, 10:01 AM

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only with the dark skin

gleaming valve Oct 24, 2018, 10:01 AM

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@quaint tapir regarding your question in #330944238910963714 I would recommend Unifi like Tinkerer said.
Or you can go with; https://mikrotik.com/product/cap_ac

MikroTik

MikroTik is a Latvian company which was founded in 1996 to develop routers and wireless ISP systems. MikroTik now provides hardware and software for Internet connectivity in most of the countries around the world.

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 10:02 AM

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@gleaming valve yeah that's what we've been discussing

gleaming valve Oct 24, 2018, 10:02 AM

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Haha, sorry...

quaint tapir Oct 24, 2018, 10:02 AM

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@gleaming valve yes they are on my radar as well. Although not running OS-firmware

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 10:02 AM

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mikrotik also make decent APs, but they are a bit more fiddly

quaint tapir Oct 24, 2018, 10:02 AM

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@rose shuttle in what sense?

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 10:02 AM

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routeros

gleaming valve Oct 24, 2018, 10:02 AM

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I love RouterOs

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 10:03 AM

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not as 'clean' as unifi for just wireless i guess

rocky tangle Oct 24, 2018, 10:03 AM

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just looks nicer

📎 unknown.png

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 10:03 AM

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yeah that does look good

quaint tapir Oct 24, 2018, 10:03 AM

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well as long as they offer an API, sooner or later a HASS integration will come along 😉

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 10:03 AM

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HASS does integrate with mikrotik and unifi already

gleaming valve Oct 24, 2018, 10:03 AM

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1

rocky tangle Oct 24, 2018, 10:03 AM

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but only for tracker not for stats

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for unifi

gleaming valve Oct 24, 2018, 10:04 AM

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What stats do you want to get out of it?

quaint tapir Oct 24, 2018, 10:04 AM

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yes, i mean you will have a nice UI for your stats in HASS

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 10:04 AM

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yeah, for unifi stats you'd use the controller

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ive been thinking about putting all kinds of stats stuff in home assistant.... but i can't really justify doing it

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i have the stats in many other places lol

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like Grafana

gleaming valve Oct 24, 2018, 10:05 AM

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Use snmp and do something i HA with it?

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 10:05 AM

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LibreNMS, Grafana, etc, all good for that

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LibreNMS is great

gleaming valve Oct 24, 2018, 10:06 AM

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I used Zabbix for bandwith and such. And they got a sensor in HA i believe.

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 10:07 AM

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yeah i've not looked at Zabbix yet

gleaming valve Oct 24, 2018, 10:07 AM

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It's not flashy but it will do it's thing. 😃

rose shuttle Oct 24, 2018, 10:08 AM

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so, what is everyone doing Presence Detection with

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im using the iOS companion app on my iphone

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but my wife uses a Galaxy S8

gleaming valve Oct 24, 2018, 10:08 AM

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Mikrotik router and Google Maps.