π²
#the-water-cooler
junior forge
clever mortar
Same in the UK to be fair
Though they do a form of it through using your card, PIN, and a card reader
(I say form of it, because part of logging in to your account is likely to require the account number printed on the card, but better than nothing)
junior forge
Meanwhile in Austria:
https://www.facebook.com/Wetterwarnung/videos/1845073995585570/
(Not a joke btw, this actually happened a couple of hours ago, some of my family are not that far away from that place)
shy comet
holy crap thats crazy!!
remote zephyr
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soft zephyr
dry cairn
the blue ones are the guys the purple one is the transgenders and the grey are neutral
opal basin
Guess I need a new color then lol
dry cairn
π
compact elk
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tough igloo
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light trout
@soft zephyr
Naming effects in discord:
white: Normal users.
grey: users that bribed one of the mods to be able to post pictures.
purple: Community members who have shown that they are willing to learn, have shown progress toward becoming a bigger part of our community, and try to lend a helping hand to others when they can.
blue: Community members who have proven themselves knowledgeable and worthy of helping others
green: Moderators.
yellow: Gods.
worldly tinsel
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rancid lance
@light trout i want brown color for the guy that drinks beer alot π
low harness
So... new to discord... I noticed I can't upload files in some channels. Is that a right a channel mod grants you, or how does i work?
amber bramble
A lot of channels have that disabled
low harness
Like #frontend-archived, for example. People post pictures all the time, but I can't.
amber bramble
there's a role the mods can give you to let you post pictures (your name turns grey instead of white)
maiden estuary
I want that too @rancid lance !
or it could be brown for IBS... lets think this through π
rancid lance
actually drinking an icecold sourbeer right now
maiden estuary
I'm at work.. so on coffee unfortunately
regal narwhal
@amber bramble I think they took mine away π
rancid lance
NICE
now we just need an update on the google location sharing
and no more owntrack
π
for battery
broken junco
That is great new but I never got the google tracker to work properly. Might give it another go then.
wintry crow
@rancid lance wth is a sourbeer..?
wintry crow
Oh nice, not heard of that before
rancid lance
load of differant beer styles out there
wintry crow
18 months... I definitely couldn't brew that myself. Altho I do have some strawberry bacardi I made last summer, and strawberry vodka I made 2 summers ago
slim rampartBOT
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vale shale
uh oh @slim rampart is able to predict things!
trail crag
dry cairn
too good of a picture quality? they noticed the cams got so good that they can actually identify all the thieving politicians?
woven stirrup
@rancid lance Have you tried any sour with lactose? Works suprisingly well. https://www.ratebeer.com/beer/to-ol-rodgrod-med-flode/327216/
velvet horizonBOT
Ludeeus is away for 35m 24s with a message :point_right: Lurking in the shadows.
rancid lance
hehe nice
pure vine
Are they being banned? There not being banned, the US goverment is being stopped from buying them
cloud cradle
Yo. and stuff. How's it hanging, Are everybody's truffles being sufficiently grooved?
cloud cradle
Has anyone made the transfer over to Lovelace yet completely? @last dirge have you done it yet?
maiden estuary
anyone who uses ombi/plex have a good way of friends marking a film as poor quality
shy comet
@maiden estuary did you setup Issues in Ombi? you can create custom categories and your friends can go in there and use that
you need to be on v3 i think
maiden estuary
Just done it buddy, thanks for the point in the right direction, just slipped right over that!
pure vine
What is ombi
woven stirrup
Where that lovelace comes from? Anything to do with good old Linda? π
shy comet
@pure vine Ombi is a Plex request site you can set up for users to send you requests for the server...also integrates with other apps as well for a seamless experience
honest kelp
Which is the best channel to get prompt replies? I've not been getting many responses at all, if any
light trout
The chanel matching the topic you have issues with will be the best π
clever mortar
Also @honest kelp you'll only get replies if somebody is around who can help you. If there's nobody who can help you, you won't get a response π That may mean your question goes out of view before anybody who can help you comes online, in which case the forum might be a better choice, though you can always repost a few hours later
light trout
PM with me @rancid lance π
rancid lance
ludeeus ?
light trout
What?
rancid lance
pm why ? π
light trout
Thats the "proper" place to resolve issues with beer π
light trout
I like it π
rancid lance
although drinking random liquids from a stranger is probly on the "do not do that" list
light trout
π
honest kelp
@clever mortar I've posted a question in the home-assistant channel on window opening. Is there anyone that might have insights on that
clever mortar
I've given you a quick answer to get you started
dry cairn
maiden estuary
@shy comet - I'm using heimdall at the moment, is organizr got many advantages over that?
rancid lance
ohh looks lovely
maiden estuary
Drain cleaner
rancid lance
really ?
maiden estuary
yeah, not impressed at all
had a lovely one yesterday that was honey based - that might be my new favourite beer
rancid lance
been drinking dugges tropical thunder
its an sour beer
peach and mango
really good when its been warm
drinking it icecold is really nice π
maiden estuary
hmm I've only tried one sour beer before and didn't gel with me - need to try some more
maiden estuary
joined the wait list... hope it drops in price though!
rancid lance
its a small company
its hard to come by even here
and i live like 6 miles from the brewery
so i get the pricing π
thats how close i live π
maiden estuary
post some then π
rancid lance
haha
shy comet
@maiden estuary yes Heimdall looks to be a simple dashboard for links, Organizr does much more than that. I like to think of it as a combined experience of Ombi, Tautulli, Sonarr, Radarr and others. It makes good use of the API for admin features and some user features. I personally love the combined calendar of TV and Movies. Also nice that you can literally do everything from the homepage. Search Ombi/Plex, make a request, play directly in browser. It also does user groups and user roles so you can control who see's what tabs. SSO for Ombi, Plex and Tautulli so users only sign in once. They can also run a speedtest to your house to see how the connection....its like full featured dude its awesome π
rancid lance
lol how much shit do u need for plex
shy comet
1 page that does it all @rancid lance π
shy comet
yes it does i tested it yesterday when my botvac got stuck after the update π
rancid lance
nice
rancid lance
working on my homeassistant setup right now
installed hassbian to an ssd
and removed the sd card
rancid lance
yeah way better write / read speed
shy comet
i just got done upgrading my network to ubiquiti π been really happy with it
rancid lance
$ sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda
[sudo] password for homeassistant:
/dev/sda:
Timing cached reads: 1014 MB in 2.00 seconds = 507.06 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 110 MB in 3.01 seconds = 36.60 MB/sec
again it might not be much
but its still better then sd card
clever mortar
USB connected I take it?
rancid lance
and it doesnt wear and tear like an sd card
yes tinkerer
so still limited to usb speed
clever mortar
Yeah, but still sweet
rancid lance
yeah wasnt hard to do at all
clever mortar
Now if only somebody would do a sensible case for SSD+Pi π
shy comet
@rancid lance just wait until you move beyond the pi π
shy comet
i was lucky to have a spare computer (old plex server) to use π
1 minute restarts are hard to say no to lol
rancid lance
not like my buddy that has a hp ProLiant ML310e Gen8 v2 in his livingroom
shy comet
ive been uisng a shield so far as my main HTPC (not media server)
been very happy with it
rancid lance
my pi reboots in under a minute
shy comet
HA?
rancid lance
im ok with that
naa but its running again under a minute
ssh and everything is up
rancid lance
~$ systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 5.120s (kernel) + 12.552s (userspace) = 17.672s
.sharethelove
velvet horizonBOT
A place for LoveLace Config https://sharethelove.io/
rancid lance
thats what ive got setup π
shy comet
yea been checking that out π coming along nicely!!
shy comet
another reason why i have more powerful hardware is because I run ZoneMinder
rancid lance
probly not gonna happen either π
shy comet
when i want to record on all my cameras as the same time i need those resources
rancid lance
that makes sense
actually got a bootsequence image
seems i pulled from the wrong server before
thats the actual boot time on rpi with an ssd
all and all not that bad considering
maiden estuary
thanks @shy comet will investigate
wicked mortar
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honest kelp
How do I find replies to my queries from earlier in the day? Is there a way to find questions I've asked?
rancid lance
use the search bar up in the corner
you can search on your own nick
and find previous conversations
clever mortar
That, and LastPass or your other choice of password management tool
I like LastPass because it's seamless across all my devices, but I also use KeePass
dry cairn
yubikey
dry cairn
yup
dull chasm
@clever mortar this is a one meter 144 strip rgbww https://photos.app.goo.gl/UrcU27Mhu2KYgURv6 ....beer cans extra
dry cairn
why is there a penis pump behind the curtain?
dull chasm
well times are rough @dry cairn
dry cairn
ah
dull chasm
thats a test script running on arduino.... heck i am getting one more.... then building a better weather automation for tank
dry cairn
dull chasm
doesnt have the control i need....
clever mortar
That's what I'm looking at, since mostly I don't need digital LED control
dull chasm
yea that would be great like under cabinets and stuff
midnight adder
Does anyone help with droplights?
rancid lance
pure vine
@rancid lance i use a yubi key
lilac idol
feral gyro
rich tundra
unkempt pecan
odd....the hassio and homeassistan channels just vanished off my list
Anyone else had that?
rancid lance
no
wintry crow
Hmmm anyone had Smartlife or EweLink unregister, despite the test app in google still working? I've still not gotten around to flashing them
spark canyon
Hiii
vale shale
@unkempt pecan did you click the support tab?
vast dove
@unkempt pecan if you click the "group title" like SUPPORT, RELATED, DEVELOPMENT etc it will hide channels until you have unread messages.
shy comet
^^ the arrow next to those titles should be pointing down
quartz ether
Lol at just posting 7 photos of a tablet in different locations... My input is turn it on.
spark canyon
Lol
dry cairn
looks like advertising to me π€
and a really crappy one at that
i like how the charging plug is plugged in and goes nowhere ...just like ikea and rooms to go
opal basin
π
dry cairn
cord to throw it?
dry cairn
ok?
dry cairn
i'm still a lil fuzzy on what you trying to do here
we see pictures of a screen no explanation and a birds nest of cables
if you trying to peddle something you not doing a very good job
quartz ether
Touchscreen cord? Do tablets not come with touch screens? I am rather confused. Is it just a mini tv?
dry cairn
god knows
and now the port is used by a touchscreen cord .. can t even plug in a chromecast
quartz ether
"here are some of the places we think you can put this tablet" "in this one you can see it sitting on the floor, this one it is on a window sill and lastly the place where it will likely end up, in with a random pile of cables on a shelf"
spark canyon
..............................................................................................................................
spark canyon
Look this controls your smart home
dry cairn
so... you throw it at things you wanna remote control?
dry cairn
its not controlling my smart home ...ha is
spark canyon
What cable?
quartz ether
I am still confused. If this is using the HomeAssistant UI that would imply it uses the HomeAssistant back end...
So why would I want this and not just an off the shelf tablet with my HomeAssistant home page loaded?
spark canyon
It's not running home assistant @quartz ether
dry cairn
shhh man i'm trying to find out what the cable on the tablet is
or screen or whatever it is
quartz ether
Switch - Home AutomationToday at 3:50 PM
I was gonna use Home Assistant UI
so what was it connected to?
spark canyon
USB
quartz ether
Why?
dry cairn
what usb
spark canyon
Raspberry Pi
quartz ether
Where is the pi? That is just a tablet
dry cairn
where is the rpi?
quartz ether
Please.
dry cairn
ah
quartz ether
Oh so its a big ass touch screen.
dry cairn
^^^^^
spark canyon
It's actually not big
dry cairn
compared to a tablet with a 10 hour runtime it is
quartz ether
Why not just install Hass on that and then be done with it? Or are you creating your own smart home system like Hass/smartthings/HAB etc?
spark canyon
Or are you creating your own smart home system like Hass/smartthings/HAB etc?
dry cairn
π€·
spark canyon
Yup @quartz ether thats what im doing
spark canyon
I'm still working on it @dry cairn
dry cairn
you at the i can turn it on stage yet?
spark canyon
Not yet
right now it just runs raspian
Working on a few things to make this as a product
I need to go anything else @dry cairn
dry cairn
yeah
i'm not sure why you posted it here
advertising?
well i guess this giant brick and its purpose remains a mystery
quartz ether
If you are making your own system then you really shouldnt be here...
Thats like going to microsoft and asking for help on how to make the OSX
Sorry "asking for input"
dry cairn
fix not make π
dry cairn
nope we had our fun ... you may go now
quartz ether
@spark canyon If you are trying to make a business where you can sell what ever it is you are trying to make I would suggest you just straight on sell the unit as it is or charge a setup fee to add a base "os" of the smart home system they want. But either way you should not be here.
quartz ether
Not ttyl.... just bye.
dry cairn
π
tropic hedge
What's it called in fiction when the author inserts a character who is supposed to represent the reader?
rancid lance
didnt realize that this was a commercial channel now π
quartz ether
You missed out @rancid lance
rancid lance
appears i did
must have been nice did you recive a free sample ?
we all know that in order for a product to be successful you gotta give away free samples
quartz ether
I might still get one
rancid lance
hehe yepp
damn finally dynamic backgrounds for lovelace cards
so freaking nice
@light trout found an issue
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Ludeeus is away for 7h 3m 15s with a message :point_right: Lurking in the shadows.
rancid lance
it doesnt react when setting scan_interval
still ticks on 10 min
got mine set too 60m
light trout
yes, if that would have worked, it would have been in the documentation π
light trout
midnight adder
Hi all. I'm using owntracks to track where i am with HA. What would be a valid response code of owntracks? is it 200?
midnight adder
oops... i though i clicked that one π
Beer?..... where?
ah! a bar! i see it now π
quartz ether
Does that unsplash thing just scroll images
light trout
LOL, exact same img my camera show now π
quartz ether
That would be a painful screen to wake up to...
rancid lance
why would it be that ?
quartz ether
the time and temp are not ok.
rancid lance
yahoo weather is lagging after
and i usually get up around this time
so im ok with that
rancid lance
how about no ?
light trout
@rancid lance you should create a "blured" collection
dropping the shadow will result in unreadable text
rancid lance
im good with my style ive set it up to how i want it
midnight adder
if you remove the dropshadow it would be even harder to read π
rancid lance
yes it would
plus the collection contains bright images
just made a collection yesterday
so i need to sort the images better to make it work
rancid lance
thx for the "input" @quartz ether
quartz ether
π
midnight adder
if you make the text in the example black you can still read it π white probably too π
just because it's on imgur it not always true π
quartz ether
Depends on the image. white will get lost in a bright image and black will get lost in dark image so kinda needs to be something like the white text with black outline so regardless of image it works.
midnight adder
Depends on the size of the test π
rancid lance
thats outlined
midnight adder
rancid lance
the image itself is too bright
midnight adder
π
rancid lance
and making the outline larger will only make the font look like shit
midnight adder
ofc it i placed the black text to the corners .... but then i chose the wrong font color π
quartz ether
rancid lance
but dropping shadow in combination with outline kinda works
rancid lance
yes again i added all off that yesterday
midnight adder
Dropshadow looks much sharper π
quartz ether
haha problem solved :p
quartz ether
There are nice images on that site
maiden estuary
Can't believe I missed all the fun π¦
rancid lance
@maiden estuary u missed even more in lovelace π
maiden estuary
@rancid lance - aww no - Just went in there to see what's up.. gone very technical π
maiden estuary
haha, want it on event not interval π
light trout
If you want event trigger, use image with state-image
maiden estuary
Exactly.. for the greeter card that's all you want to transition from morning to afternoon to night....
light trout
Not necessarily, I want a new img every time I glance at the screen
maiden estuary
Event is motion on camera of tablet?
light trout
10min interval works for me
maiden estuary
Can you not use time: /10
light trout
It does not (yet) have a service to force an update, but if it had that could be possible
maiden estuary
ahh I see π .. come on, I've been away for like 2/3weeks.. need to get my mind back in HA mode π
bright pagoda
Anyone know of any smartdevice to check water quality in a pool/spa ?
vale shale
Would love a response to this π
rancid lance
telldus has some stuff
Proove Smart Home Pool/Spa Sensor
there is also
and
so a simple google
took about 5 min
let that be a lesson π google and ye shall find
@vale shale @bright pagoda
vale shale
Or you could just let someone else do the googling!
rancid lance
or you can do something yourself π
vale shale
@maiden estuary you and I had talked about a blue iris switch to start recording and stop. I can see that you have a command_line switch but do you have an article or forum post for where you found that? I am still kind of in the dark about how you do that.
crap well I just found what may be it of course! https://community.openhab.org/t/blue-iris-integration-http-binding-rest-api/10838/2
maiden estuary
yep, that'll give you the gist mate π
pure vine
ocean junco
Hi all, sorry as I'm sure this has come up, but I've searched and searched and can't quite find an answer.
I've lost access to my hass.io panel, I really want to avoid burning a new install and as I haven't yet taken a snapshot.
I can access the configurator so I'm wondering if there is any way from there that I can either enable SSH access (I did have it at some point and I don't remember removing it so perhaps the module just isn't loading at startup?)
Or, if there's a way I can patch/upload the missing javascript file via the configurator
hah, and as I ask, I think I found a solution
ah ok fun, it seems the addon is not installed
rancid lance
deep spade
?rank other !
rancid lance
gotta type it
slim rampartBOT
That rank doesn't exist.
deep spade
?rank other
slim rampartBOT
@deep spade, you joined Other.
rancid lance
geez
deep spade
hehe
rancid lance
congrats
deep spade
sorry for the spam π
vale shale
If only we had a channel that was for botspam...
dull chasm
i really hope your being funny
vast dove
you need to spam to get access π
vale shale
of course I am @dull chasm
dull chasm
@vale shale ok dokey
stiff moth
FYI, ebay has 15% off today with coupon code PRONTO15. Discount is capped at $100. Just add all the stuff to the cart and check out in one transaction.
gusty relic
Morning all
hardware questions, any thought on which channel to ask?
@here anyone?
rancid lance
this is the right channel for that @gusty relic
this is kinda the miscellaneous channel
unless is diy stuff
then its diy obviously
gusty relic
Am wondering about experience for an POE outdoor camera
not to expensive but thrustworthy
gusty relic
looking at fascam hearing good stuff about it
but curious about experience from other users
light trout
https://waffle.io == Awesome! π
ocean junco
oh my goodness, there's a service I haven't seen in a loooong time, glad to see it's still going, looks better than when I last used it too!
vale shale
@gusty relic I use sv3c cameras. Let me put it that theyβre the kind of camera that you need to block from the Internet with your firewall, but their image is great. I am also using blue iris.
random finch
@vale shale are you able to pull blue iris into Home Assistant? or do you grab the cameras direct? I'm also looking for cameras that are functional way below zero. But that's a separate topic.
vale shale
yes you can go to a web url that the server hosts to grab the camera streams. That is why I mainly use it. This camera that I am looking at getting says so https://www.amazon.com/Security-2592x1944P-Surveillance-Waterproof-Detection/dp/B07DXNDXZR/ref=pd_sim_421_4?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07DXNDXZR&pd_rd_r=AAVD259S33ZSVDVQNJ7K&pd_rd_w=4h0Id&pd_rd_wg=LR1Q9&psc=1&refRID=AAVD259S33ZSVDVQNJ7K You can also tell blue iris when to record and not record. I just got that integrated.
random finch
ooo. I have been loooking at BlueIris, currently i am using an older android running IP cam Viewer as my NVR. I tried ZoneMinder and didn't like the experience(~7 years ago). Blue Iris has been on my todo list.
vale shale
it's totally worth it!
random finch
good to know!
gusty relic
@vale shale ok let's have a look on them.
@vale shale you have it running on a PI as well?
ah I see windows only. Think I still have a nuc somewhere
sour hare
i was wondering is there any way to fnd out the users by country? or let's say to have groups for some countries or regions where users could come together an discuss over their configurations and help each other out. (similar like discord but on a much smaller scale and LIVE )
junior forge
That would require channels based on language
that would make moderation of the community a lot harder
junior forge
LOL This is kinda cool:
root@a48a7938aff2:/$ hass.pwned.occurances 'hassio'
[21:21:01+0000] WARNING ----> Password is in the Have I Been Pwned database!
[21:21:01+0000] WARNING ----> Password appeared 10 times!
@sour hare where are you from?
vale shale
More specifically where do you live? π
shy comet
@lucid blade i did and i noticed major speed improvements...for one HA will load up in under a minute...previously it would take 5-10 minutes on the pi.....the other big benefit is being able to run other software at the same time. I use zoneminder alongside HA. I have it setup on my old plex server i5, 6GB of RAM and SSD
eager trench
are you running ubuntu on it with docker? and hassio??
shy comet
ubuntu and i have a venv install
eager trench
oh ok so not hassio+addons then
eager trench
so you don't like docker?
shy comet
honestly haven't used it much and before I'd use it I would want to learn more about it....i understand the concept and how nice it is deploy stuff and start over
been using my current setup to learn some development
eager trench
yeah - I'm attracted to using docker just because it's something new to learn
shy comet
if I setup another server I would probably start with docker to force myself to learn lol
eager trench
yeah..... I'm at a point where I could really use another Pi3 but by the time you add it all up, you can get a nuc+8gb RAM and a 240gb SSD for double....
and I know what I'll have more fun with
shy comet
yea more power is always better but pi3's are a lot of fun since they are like a playground
lucid blade
Thanks
I am probably going to move it to my server
Wanted to see if it was worth it
shy comet
you won't be disappointed π
eager trench
the restart time with HassOS is killing me.... not that I change config that much
lucid blade
I only started tinkering with it last week so i am changing it a lot and the reboot times are killing me lol
rancid lance
@shy comet should add a hdd to you pi if your running that
shy comet
@rancid lance the only thing my pi is running is pihole and assistant relay lol and my dev instance of hass when i have it up π i
i have another i5 sitting here waiting for a use case lol
eager trench
seems like a waste of an i5 to me
rancid lance
since i bumbed and installed a hdd on my pi3+ its really freaking awesome
shy comet
it was free lol
eager trench
hahaha
shy comet
yea i heard the pi gets a major speed increase
rancid lance
had a spare 120gb intel ssd just collecting dust
so added that to my pi
and removed that freaking sd card
shy comet
and thats still capped at USB 2.0 lol
but i think in theory its what double the speed?
rancid lance
that doesnt bother me π
yeah
noticable too
no more microlags from the pi
everything is instant
light trout
But you can't do that on HassOS (yet)
rancid lance
doesnt hassos use config.txt ?
light trout
it does
eager trench
they borked the kernel
rancid lance
why thou
light trout
Several people have tried, the change takes place in the pi, and other distros can be booted from USB, but not HassOS
rancid lance
why not use the mainline kernel for rpi
eager trench
I bloody tried. Waste of time
rancid lance
seems kinda dumb removing features from the raspberry pi devs
remember when sam did that for OSMC he regretted that pretty fast when new features was introduced π
light trout
HassOS are using the LTS kernel, not sure that have the option to boot from USB
light trout
That is the one in use by HassOS "Linux kernel 4.14 (LT)"
eager trench
it's not like pizvelli didn't know people wanted usb boot
rancid lance
usb saves so much replacingment parts like sd cards
cause if you got a heavy read and write application like hass
its gonna wear and tear that card to a stub pretty fast
especiallty if you develop and complile on it
light trout
For the time I have run HA, I have had 0 SD cards that have died.
rancid lance
@light trout fetch me coffee π
eager trench
some sd-cards do load balancing don't they to avoid hammering the same part of the card
rancid lance
@light trout give it time π
light trout
@rancid lance I do not deliver, you have to come here π
rancid lance
btw backup and restore 100%
now all data is stored properly
raid 1 with offsite backup
eager trench
hassio does make the re-setup less onerous with snapshots
rancid lance
hehe my new greetercard is gonna be even more epic
now that i can stick where shit goes
vast dove
Seems a bit excessive to add the same event 4 times or are you that excited about playing pinball?
π
vast dove
i guessed.. just kidding π
vast dove
Γl&Whisky.. nice π
light trout
And where is that?
vast dove
I think he kinda lives on the border.....
vast dove
They have a nice bar at the top floor there
rancid lance
for me its such a short trip since i live in BorΓ₯s
light trout
@rancid lance about 1h
rancid lance
busride less then 40 min
light trout
only 4h train trip to Gothenburg
rancid lance
should try and make it next year
vast dove
Do it, and @rancid lance could take you to visit Ullared
light trout
that a hard no from me as well π
rancid lance
old ladies smashing you with their cards n shit
rancid lance
beer is good enough for me π
light trout
same here π
vast dove
I wish you guys shared the love for Vivino instead of that beer crap π
rancid lance
your untappd is looking dryer that the sahara desert
if vivino had an open api i would love to make a counterpart for untappd
so keep your eyes open for something useful
we support booze
light trout
You can add wines to untapped to ?
rancid lance
cider only
vast dove
I had this the other day https://untappd.com/b/cigar-city-cider-and-mead-buddha-hand-lemon-dryhop-cider/2505178
Nice cider
snow hedge
Don't suppose anyone can recommend a HDMI Switch, HDMI 2.0 (4k@60hz) that has a remote with individual source buttons so that I can automate it?
jagged mantle
how many here have an tellstick?
orchid rose
got the cheapest one myself
rancid lance
nope just sensors and switches
amber bramble
Monoprice has some more sales. $5 off $25, 15% off, and 25% off orders over $300, plus some of the zwave sensors are already on sale
amber bramble
That seems like a lot of added complexity for office lights..
But I kind of want to buy them for my garage now
tall escarp
@amber bramble it is gonna be easier to install since it wont require an electrician for mounting and wiring, at least in sweden
clever mortar
Ikea do tradfri panels, no need for PoE
light trout
@granite hare , I know he is right , but I still don't like it π
granite hare
lol
light trout
But the platform is actually called untappd (controlled by the name of the .py file) :P
it's just the repo name that are wrong π
rancid lance
@granite hare just no there is no wiggle room when it comes to tm stuff
we can call it somthing else totally
and say that we use untappd api data
light trout
social_beer π
rancid lance
even untapped is kinda shady
light trout
https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/460846676358332417/477525114502512670 @granite hare they do π
rancid lance
yeah but again those are someone else headache
this is mine
so meanwhile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c
granite hare
rebuttal: lame
rancid lance
like a boss
light trout
@rancid lance @granite hare https://github.com/search?q=untappd 290 repos using "untappd" I think its ok, for what we use it for , and how it's named π
granite hare
if we want to debate semantics, then we should: "The name of your application can not contain the term βUntappdβ or the phrase βDrink Socially,β nor can you in any way claim to be official, affiliated with, or endorsed by Untappd"
we are not creating an application
it is an api wrapper
light trout
HA! that is the same argument I have tried to use earlier with @rancid lance π
The application name is "Home Assistant"
sour hare
@vast dove luxembourg
wintry solstice
what's the best way to bring attention to an issue we think is more critical?
eager trench
create an issue on github and post in the appropriate dev thread in here
shy comet
@wintry solstice whats the issue? is there already a github issue to look at?
wintry solstice
Yeah, i got it squared away, looks like the next beta will take care of it maybe.
it's just when lights are grouped together that are setable via color or dimmer it use to populate and set the group, that's no longer an option.
it's the girl friend asking me about it again and was curious myself. π https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant-polymer/issues/1466#issuecomment-410056197
shy comet
and you said teh issue is fixed?
tall escarp
@clever mortar yes. But at least in Sweden you need an electrician (officially) to install light fixtures in the ceiling
velvet horizonBOT
Tinkerer is away for 8h 48m 31s with a message :point_right: π
rancid lance
actually you can install them yourself up until the point where you plug them in that must be handled by a certified electrican
amber bramble
i didn't realize how many things i had installed on my raspberry pi for HA
i'll be typing sudo apt install in my sleep tonight
light trout
you can pass muliple packages to it ;)
sudo apt install pacakge1 pacakge2 pacakge3 pacakge4
amber bramble
that would work if i installed them all at the same time π
mostly i keep finding on-offs that are missing
install it, then find another one a few minutes later
light trout
run apt list --installed on the pi then π
amber bramble
woo, all i have left to migrate is grafana (i think, anyway)
spring creek
I have an evaporative cooler that needs to be powered via a standard outlet (so 120v, I think). Is there a smart thermostat I can buy that would support that connection (with the power cable altered by an electrician), A/C, and my heater?
It doesn't have an IR remote, so I can't go that route with it.
lapis laurel
@amber bramble They are very easy to install and assuming your replacing an existing light there should be no need for an electrician .
https://www.elsakerhetsverket.se/privatpersoner/detta-far-du-gora-sjalv/ @tall escarp
rancid lance
is there anything more fun then data migration
clever mortar
Data migration on bonded 10 Gb links π
clever mortar
Data migration over a slow link from an unstable RAID0 "array" is always the least fun
clever mortar
Yeah, I'm grateful I learned that lesson on somebody else's data
rancid lance
i dont give a shit for the data on that nas really
so just migrate what works
and then toss the bad hdd
and restart fresh
with raid 1
clever mortar
RAID 1 is good, 10 is better (but expensive), 50 and 60 are good middle grounds
rancid lance
that nas only has 2 slots π
clever mortar
Ah, so time for a real NAS π
rancid lance
got another nas thats way better
4 bay
running on raid6
4x4tb drives
that one i do care about
clever mortar
4 bay, RAID 6 ?
You'd be way better of on RAID10 there
Same overheads, faster rebuild, faster write
rancid lance
yeah probobly would
clever mortar
RAID60 makes sense if you have lots (well, at least 5) disks, and they're relatively small (to keep the rebuild times down - under 2TB ideally from memory). With 4 disks RAID10 is the best approach (and is still above that, if you can afford the disks)
rancid lance
$
clever mortar
And the answer for that is a second set of disks large enough to hold backups π
Well, upgrade from 0.74.0 to 0.75.3 worked first time - OZW didn't cause a kaboom this time π
shy comet
theres a OZW update in the current beta
jagged mantle
I've only worked 2 days with hass and im so impressed of the vast community around hass for anything and everything. its so mind blowing and awesome
clever mortar
It's a pretty good community all round - we've got the usual help vampire issues, but that's the nature of any popular community
jagged mantle
yeah its awsome with all this people like you @clever mortar and many more whos always glad to help somebody with a problem if you can
clever mortar
The biggest problem we're getting now is probably that there's so many platforms and components that nobody knows more than a fraction of them. Heck, we've got components where the only person that knows it is the component developer, who's never been seen in Discord (looking at you, HomeKit)
The rest of us do our best, but some days... π€·
jagged mantle
yeah i think i would not by any means would be able to get everything to work with out the help for all these nice people from this discord
jagged mantle
what whould people here say, hassio or hassbian
and what is the diffrence between them
vast dove
hassio - easy
hassbian - more flexibility
light trout
@jagged mantle have a look herer https://blog.ceard.tech/2017/11/which-home-assistant-install-is-right.html
jagged mantle
so everything i can do with hassio i can do with hassbian?
clever mortar
Hass.io and Hassbian are ways of installing Home Assistant
These are all just that - ways you get Home Assistant installed
light trout
Hassbian will not have the addon-store you find in hassio
vast dove
You dont get add-ons for hassbian
clever mortar
The different approaches have different strengths and weaknesses - for example some components don't work on Windows, Docker brings some challenges, etc
jagged mantle
but i can still get them or something like it but more complicated?
clever mortar
Hassbian gives you total control, but you gotta learn Linux. Hass.io makes it easy to add stuff, but makes it harder to go beyond the limits of what it provides
jagged mantle
i already learned linux and i like it, but when i installed home assistant i thought hassio was the new better version with everything
clever mortar
Nah, it's the tool for making it easier for the masses to get to Home Assistant
jagged mantle
so for me as an tech enthusiast will hassbian be a better choice?
light trout
Unless you know docker, and can make your own containers (addons)
jagged mantle
but i cant do neither of them but now the question is how i move
is it just to copy the config file over?
clever mortar
For anything other than add-ons, yes
Copy over everything in /config - including any hidden files
IMO the smart thing to do is buy another SD card and do a fresh install
Then if you run into issues you've got your old system ready to go
jagged mantle
okay becuse the only addon that i use that isnt samba or ssh is aircast but that should be possible anyways
well i will try now and see how it goes
so the diffrence is that i dont have the hassio tab in the front end
clever mortar
Pretty much
light trout
and you will have more controll over the OS.
just remember that With great power comes great responsibility π
clever mortar
No snapshots either, so you get to make your own backups
jagged mantle
well lets go then
clever mortar
~backups
velvet horizonBOT
You should automate, outside of Home Assistant, taking backups of your configuration, multiple times per day, using a tool that will track and store different versions, as well as creating a bootable backup if you're using a Raspberry Pi series computer. Options include rpi-clone (for bootable backups), rsnapshot (for backups within your home network), and rclone (for online backups).
clever mortar
~backup is my preferred one though π
velvet horizonBOT
Be sure to regularly, automatically, back up your Home Assistant install. There are various critical files and configuration options (like the Z-Wave network key), plus all your time. Hass.io has snapshots, and for unix type installs see https://blog.ceard.tech/2017/10/backing-up-home-assistant.html. Oh, and most important of all test your ability to restore regularly.
clever mortar
@light trout At least these days you can't trivially do rm -fr / and have it nuke your system π€·
clever mortar
π€£
jagged mantle
its just fun
vast dove
All Hassbian users are waiting for @light trout to make a backup system for Hassbian π I'm sure he will do it within a few days.
light trout
Yeah, but you can still do sudo pip ... and f**k up π
@vast dove It's in the works, but not by me π
jagged mantle
well bye hassio
light trout
the install part π
jagged mantle
haha
dull chasm
i installed once and it lead to this
vast dove
@midnight adder the problem with that picture is that the contents of the bottle is called Whisky.....
dull chasm
what ... shut you mouth.... thats good ole redneck stuff
dry cairn
most ppl are inhibited installing these things by lack of the ability to read and or read and comprehend
vast dove
@dull chasm correct.. redneck stuff, not Whisky
dry cairn
but thats what we got hassio for
dull chasm
yes whiskey.... this is gonna go south ....
vast dove
This is the Good stuff
jagged mantle
it would be better if he installed hass in the whiskey, it would be the new trend
dull chasm
thats some yank stuff π€£
clever mortar
Go get yourself some good (though expensive) Japanese stuff - it'll change your mind on what to drink π
dull chasm
i have drank some stuff from all over the world... miltary for 10 years.... the jap stuff will put you night night quick
midnight adder
Hi there! A new user from Sweden here getting the hands dirty. It is really impressive work, and the documentation is gigantic. A bit overwhelming at first, but I think I'll get the hang of it eventually.
midnight adder
lol really? Wonder why is that
jagged mantle
why?
midnight adder
I mean, I wonder why it is that swedes are that overrepresented
jagged mantle
its so i see it
midnight adder
Never the less, it will be so much fun tinkering with this. It is really frustrating sometimes, but the feeling when you succeed is really rewarding
vast dove
Welcome to the community @midnight adder π
rancid lance
@clever mortar almost done π
clever mortar
π
rancid lance
hahaha
rancid lance
@clever mortar all done π
settled for raid0 instead
its just crap on that nas π
vast dove
unRaid β€
rancid lance
doubt that old feeker supports unraid xD
jagged mantle
is there someone who know how snips work i relly need help
clever mortar
And have you done it?
https://snips.ai/ will tell you how the snips software works
jagged mantle
i havnt even got so its in hass im still in the console trying to figure out how it works
and the documentation is a piece of sh**t
clever mortar
You install Snips, you configure snips, you plug a microphone into the Pi, go...
jagged mantle
but how do i configure snips i need to make intents
jagged mantle
but that dosnt explain anything
clever mortar
As the Snips Platform parses this query into an intent, it will be published on MQTT
jagged mantle
but do i need to make intents in the console or in the config file
clever mortar
In Home Assistant, we trigger actions based on intents produced by Snips using the intent_script component
clever mortar
https://www.home-assistant.io/components/snips/#running-snips further up the page gives you an example
jagged mantle
but they didnt write that phrase any where
clever mortar
All I can say is that maybe you need to actually try setting it up
clever mortar
Have you visited the console and set up your assistant yet?
jagged mantle
yeah ive tried but to download it i need to set up an app but it dosnt say any where how to do that and what i do with the app
clever mortar
Snips has a good set of documentation - and their own Discord channel
I'd be really surprised if the answers can't be found there
jagged mantle
a dead discord
clever mortar
Then try reading the documentation
jagged mantle
thats what ive been trying to do but its just sh**t
clever mortar
Then maybe you need to try importing Alexa/Home
clever mortar
It shows π
jagged mantle
whats the easiest way to add ga then?
clever mortar
cloud:
For both it and Alexa
Takes no time, and will eventually cost $5/month
There's also a free component (google_assistant) if you want some pain but no cost
jagged mantle
im just 14 so i dont have that money to spend a month
clever mortar
It is fiddly and time consuming to set up
Be sure to read the docs all the way through before you begin
jagged mantle
but this then The Home Assistant Cloud is currently free and will become part of the upcoming Community Support Package.
jagged mantle
i cant even find the Community Support Package
clever mortar
It doesn't exist yet - hence upcoming π
jagged mantle
how long is it until its payed?
light trout
03/01 2018 π
jagged mantle
what?
clever mortar
That's entirely down to the devs - maybe at the end of next month, maybe this year, maybe next year
light trout
That was the first estimate, has been push back
clever mortar
Subscription expires on 1 September 2018, 01:00 is the current message
Pretty likely that'll be pushed back another month
jagged mantle
i will just set up with the cloud for now and see if i like it and the see how i do
clever mortar
The functionality is identical
light trout
Get a paper route π
clever mortar
The real difference is cloud: takes 5 minutes all in, https://www.home-assistant.io/components/google_assistant/ takes 30 minutes and more, and many people spend days on getting it working
Some seem to struggle for weeks
light trout
Do you still have to redo it every 3.month?
clever mortar
Ish apparently - I've had it work longer, and fail sooner
Reminds me, I must actually remove that component at some point
vast dove
Get it done!
light trout
How about now? π
vast dove
do it! Do it!
clever mortar
I could, but I've already risked two restarts today π
light trout
3's the charm? π
clever mortar
Yeah, third time will result in OZW crashing things π
jagged mantle
wait the cloud thing isnt hosting an ga its just connecting it...
light trout
Thought about getting a second pi and use that dedicated for OZW?
jagged mantle
no ill just use the same
light trout
@jagged mantle not everything evolves around you ;)
The question was for @clever mortar π
jagged mantle
oh
rancid lance
^^
clever mortar
I have, but at this point I'm gonna wait for the 700 series chips and to see what the new owners of Z-Wave bring for the open source community
That's looking hopeful
rancid lance
Tinkerer wanna hear something funny
decided to see if there was a firmware community for my old piece of shit nas and there was π
clever mortar
Oh?
rancid lance
so now its running on a 4.4 kernel π
can even install shit on it
although its slooow as fuck
but still π
so far i only installed glances
not expecting alot from it
but its better then before
imagine running a 10 year old nas π
haha
clever mortar
π
rancid lance
it has a better kernel then my current nas ffs π
sure it might not be optimal for that hardware but still
vast dove
@clever mortar @light trout @rancid lance https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/378860028595273730/472316833102430220/image.jpg
jagged mantle
i dont have anything more fun to do with hass π¦
clever mortar
~cookbook
velvet horizonBOT
The cookbook is a list of example automations and can be found at https://home-assistant.io/cookbook/. The cookbook also contains links to find people's GitHub copies of their installs.
clever mortar
Go browse a few repositories, and the worked examples, see if that gives you ideas
jagged mantle
but we dont have so much to automate at home we just have a tellstick but there nothing more to do with that
clever mortar
You have mobile phones to detect the presence of?
You have smart devices you can check the state of?
There are weather forecasts, travel sensors, etc etc
light trout
I have no devices connected to my HA, just various services ATM
clever mortar
https://www.home-assistant.io/components/ browse that
jagged mantle
^ already did
clever mortar
I started with nothing more than presence detection
jagged mantle
but the problem for me is that i cant just go get new stuff to add like camras and other stuff as im not the one ruling at home and its only me and my dad who likes this automation system
clever mortar
You don't need to go buying stuff - look at what @light trout said
I didn't have any kit connected to my HA when I started either
jagged mantle
what do you have now?
clever mortar
~tinkerer
velvet horizonBOT
You can find his GitHub at https://github.com/DubhAd/Home-AssistantConfig/ and his blog at https://ceard.tech/
clever mortar
That lot
Built up over about 2 years all in, including 6 months or so before I started with HA
If you're stuck, go browse the cookbook and githubs and think about what you can use on that component list without any further purchase. Heck, my commute notifications are a pushed notification based off a free online service, and my calendar state
light trout
https://blog.ceard.tech/2017/10/putting-cart-before-horse.html <--- Good read when you are starting out
jagged mantle
and i have some limitations with my setup as its going thru telldus live and i cant control every thing as id like
orchid rose
biggest thing for me is the automated lights when watching movies/series/tv. Not sure if you've set something like that up yet
clever mortar
Don't focus on what you can't do, focus on what you can do
orchid rose
presence detection is another big thing
clever mortar
(that's good general life advice to be fair - focusing on the things you can't do drags you down)
light trout
I lied, I actually have 1 device a netatmo camera, but that is not working :P
https://github.com/ludeeus/Home-Assistant-Config/blob/master/configuration.yaml <--- My current config.
jagged mantle
i would like to add so that i can ring the door bell at home but hass takes it as an switch and i cant use it
jagged mantle
in telldus live its an bell but hass dont understand that when connecting so it is an switch in hass and i cant use it
clever mortar
Does the switch turn on and off when the bell is rung?
jagged mantle
no and if i turn it off in the ui it dosnt do anything and if i go in to dev tools and change its state it just changes back 5s later
clever mortar
So, when the bell is rung, there's no state change?
jagged mantle
no
clever mortar
That sounds like a Telldus issue then - not passing that information through
jagged mantle
it looks like hass dont know its an bell
clever mortar
Well, HA doesn't have a bell domain
jagged mantle
thats maybe why
clever mortar
But, it should map through if Telldus is passing the state change
jagged mantle
i just tried but nothing changed
clever mortar
Then you need to look at the Telldus end, and work out why it's not passing the state change to HA
dull chasm
i only have two or three things
us and code... i understand the poor snakes fustrationhttps://imgur.com/gallery/zWjo3Yi
agile bolt
@jagged mantle What happens if you hold and keep pressing the bell?
jagged mantle
@agile bolt i cant
agile bolt
Why?
jagged mantle
its on telldus live
do any one know a really cheap tablet that i can use for a wallpanel for hass?
tepid skiff
if you don't care about "big name" brands like samsung, etc there are some on amazon for under $100. wifi capable.
jagged mantle
yeah but i live in sweden so theres much stuff i cant buy on amazon but im looking for something thats just enough like for 30$
clever mortar
That's "a bit" optimistic
jagged mantle
it donst need to be "fast" just enough to use the hass ui
tepid skiff
while there's always the risk that you get what you pay for, probably any android tablet that's cheap in your local electronics store would suffice. your typical chinese knock off. My father in law, a notorious cheapskate ("what the f brand tv is this, bob??") is using a repurposed touch screen from a point of sale system he found at a discount store
clever mortar
A second hand tablet from 5+ years ago, maybe
jagged mantle
i running that right now but its slow as "some non allowed words"
clever mortar
You're not going to get much for $30
tepid skiff
tinkerer is right. increase your budget a bit for the touch screen and agreed on 5+ year old tablet would do just fine as well as be chaep
*cheap
jagged mantle
yeah mayby but i would like to find a touch screen as you talked about earlier beacuse then i could just buy a rpi
and connect to it
tepid skiff
also hi gang! just hanging out mostly -- our new house is in the final closing stages and i'v been gleefully tasked with smarthoming it
clever mortar
@jagged mantle Your best bet will be to track down any local (or not so local) swap meets, enthusiast groups, etc
jagged mantle
yeah but im just 14 so its maybe a bit hard
tepid skiff
swap meets will sell and buy from and to anyone π
clever mortar
Yup, all you have to do is get there
tepid skiff
mom dad! lets go to swap meets this weekend!
jagged mantle
yeah i can maybe do a cute baby face and get one
clever mortar
I've been involved in computing from a much younger age, and would go into the local city to that kind of group
clever mortar
If nothing else, you'll learn lots
jagged mantle
yeah ive been working with all things that involving tech since ive been 8
clever mortar
Then you're overdue getting out and meeting the local community π
tepid skiff
yard sales, estate sales... people always sell the cheap stuff they discovered wasn't Samsung but Samsnug
jagged mantle
im living in a small town
clever mortar
I got lots of good, pre-loved, kit through swap meets, fairs, and what have you