Here's the latest podcast. New release schedule as in the Pin, one week following each release - https://hasspodcast.io/ha012/
Next time (in two weeks) we have @tranquil kernel as our guest!
#creator-connection
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skalavala is away: Chuck Norris can read from an input stream.
I was listening on YouTube while running to get dinner.. gonna wait for it to show up on Pocket Casts - my prefered method 😃
just showed up in PocketCasts for me 😃
Cool... now I have something to listen to on the way to work in the morning 😄
Wife never lets me listen to my "dork shows" whilst at home
my wife hates podcasts in general
yeah even talk radio makes mine nauceous in the car
but she's good to me occaisionally.... getting me a new car stereo with bluetooth so I can listen to my dork shows on the way to work on something besides my phone lol
nice. I go north to pick up my new car next week, built in bluetooth. Stoked
It's been only 5 days since the last release and yet another episode of the Home Assistant podcast has landed! https://t.co/9n8YfeLmge
Cheers! New release schedule and new editing method (i.e no editing) should make them a lot more prompt
Cross posted it to G+ and FB too
Hello @abstract pagoda. RSS feed is not updating. And great episode as always.
@abstract pagoda Thanks for the awesome podcast again!
Nevertheless, I have 2 points of feedback. 1) I think you guys not always talk positive about Hass.io, which is mainly caused by the lack of knowledge of it?
Maybe getting a little more experience with the platform might help.
- second. About securing, there are some more methods around. One of which is kinda interesting and forgotten a lot. Tor.
Tor is actually pretty easy, secure, doesn't require port forwarding, fixed IP's, Firewall configuration, DNS providers and does not even need SSL.
People mostly see the negative vibe around Tor (because of the "dark web") but actually it is pretty helpfull and usefull in many ways.
@abstract pagoda I was re-listening to some older podcasts as well. It is funny to hear you guys talk about running Home Assistant in Docker. Have you ever considerd you could run Hass.io while still being able to use Docker as well? You can actually combine those worlds. Getting the easy add-ons, while still having the posibility of using other Docker containers on the same host?
@lapis inlet you must be a hassio fan
No a fan perse, I do however see it as an pretty nice platform for new users and maybe even sufficient for existing users. It is easier to get started, without the hassle of upgrades and stuff.
New users is eventually good for the platform and the growth of Home Assistant.
So I do see things in perspective. @paper scaffold. It almost feels like a AIO/Hassbian/Docker vs Hass.io competition sometimes, while some can actually co-exists
I hate the competition, since all of those methods have the same goal. Running Home Assistant.
There is no good or bad. Just choices.
Yes but its like the step child HASSIO seems to always come up front and center
The developers want to steer/push new users towards it, because it lowers the bar
I can't disagree with that goal, and the reasons behind it - though I agree that the messaging sometimes feels a bit "off"
From the discussions I've had, I get the impression that's not by design, just the nature of passionate individuals
Yeah well... maybe my point must be: The message in the Podcast is "off" as well.
And, I agree 100% with @lapis inlet in his previous statement - this is, and should remain, just choices. Unfortunately this is the kind of thing that people get emotional over, which leads to emotional language, which can result in things coming across in unfortunate ways
Well sorry for my feeling but its just a impression.................... Hey we got HASSIO ......oh your on a manuel or hassiben
The discussion I had with Balloob (in #devs_documentation-archived) was very much that he viewed Hass.io as the #1 choice to steer people towards, with Hassbian and virtual environment installs as the next 2 (in any order) - but that he didn't want the virtual environment install to go away
But, everybody brings their "slant" on this, with some people viewing Hass.io as the "one that must not be mentioned", and others viewing it as the golden child 🤷 People, what can you do 😉
@lapis inlet I agree with you that we should get better hands-on with it. Problem is we just use our normal home environments (like in my example that I use, it runs in my home lab on Docker) and as much as we want to, @abstract pagoda @blazing prawn and myself don't always get the chance to play with everything 😦 more just a matter of time than anything else. We all work long hours so it makes it a bit harder for us to get a chance to play with it. But like I said - I agree 100% that we should play with it!
lol no method is the "golden child". There are only usecases and matching choices.
Well we never had this issue when it was AIO or Hassbien .. it was considered just a diff type of install.....so what is the diff..... I personally feel the heartburn is the PUSH of Hassio
@flat ivy Don't get me wrong... I'm not blaming or something. I myself work 50 hours a week and still try to contribute to Home Assistant, while having 2 kids and stuff... Time is sparse.
@paper scaffold Putting a real world twist on it, it's like the difference between manual and automatic gearboxes. Hass.io is the automatic gearbox of Home Assistant - dealers (developers) push it because it makes it easier to sell cards (developers push it because it makes it easier to get started)
yep! I totally get it. and you're right; actually I'm pretty sure we've said in a couple of eps that Hassio is a great project to get the power of hass in a simpler package so that its less "techie dependant"
@paper scaffold Hassbian & AIO are basically the same things. Hass.io is totally different in the way it runs things on the OS.
Second thing that is causing this imho is simply Change. We don't like change. People who are used to Hassbian/AIO and go try Hass.io are totally lost and have a bad experience.
@lapis inlet @forest cosmos yes i know all that.... but I hear all the slack 10 or so pm's a day... hey hassio cant do this... It is too totally diff
@paper scaffold And, that's slightly true. I think it would be more accurate to say we don't know how to do this on Hass.io
There should be little that can be done on Hass.io that can't be done on another install
@forest cosmos that is not true at all
It's just going to be harder, because it's newer, and less folks have learned, and documented, how
@paper scaffold I think all the add-ons that @lapis inlet has churned out show that it's mostly true
There are some things that we don't yet know how to do, but there should be very little that's really impossible
So if i switched to Hassio my pi can run the fish tank gpio, rest and mqtt
(I use "churn" in the sense of "OMG another day another add-on" 😉 )
@paper scaffold Yes, eventually
along with one wire sensors
Let me finish this up pretty simple. You guys might actually not know this (or maybe you do). I develop quite a bunch of pretty much used Hass.io add-ons, reason? I want to support newer users and the platform.
You know what would really shock you @paper scaffold @forest cosmos @flat ivy?
@lapis inlet Not based upon your post history 😉
The shocking thing is... I do not even use Home Assistant at all! So why should I care? 😛
That's the same reason I've got Hass.io running in a VM - so I can support folks
@paper scaffold I know from forum posts that GPIO in Hass.io is possible, MQTT certainly, REST should be
So, no, it's not going to be easy, but yes, it really should be possible
@lapis inlet dont get me wrong I am fine with hassio and all new developments and are thankful for anybodys help.... my main problems and what i get in pm is ** I feel pushed** other than that I am totally cool
@flat ivy You are damn right.
@paper scaffold Push back. I've been quite outspoken with the various devs about ensuring that not-Hass.io doesn't wither, and that some of the messaging leaves a sour taste.
@forest cosmos AMEN..... thats all I am saying
The responses have been positive, so far 😉
But, that's the basic thing - if you don't like what your hearing, tell people (politely and supportively - but tell them why)
Passionate people rarely understand that their message isn't being well received, because they're passionate
@forest cosmos Like I was doing now 😉
👍
@forest cosmos I am not probably the best at explaining why.... work in law enforcement LOL
So, you should have lots of experience in dealing with people who're resistant to listening 😃
@lapis inlet nope dont think so LOL 😃
I'm a parent, I've lots of experience at dealing with people who're not listening...
I'm a manager of a company with programmars and stuff...
I do have a lot of experience 😛
ow and kids
😛
Yeah, managing staff is not unlike dealing with kids - or maybe that's more a feature of the staff I have 😜
Well maybe I have the point ... please hassio is not the only thing .... then I am happy LOL 😃
Yeah well
in case of the podcast, my feeling was the other way around
so the balance is the thing I guess
I think some of it is getting the official line (from Balloob etc) right about exactly how it all fits together - I believe that's coming
We should remember that people are using Home Assistant... on different platforms. 😃
Hey we got HASSIO for the simple installs and if you want to play we got THIS....
@paper scaffold - yep, that's usually what we try to do
https://sgrudadh.blogspot.co.uk/2017/11/which-home-assistant-install-is-right.html is within spitting distance of my understanding of the official line
(glosses over that if you're a developer, Hass.io may actually be for you - but if you need somebody else to guide you, you're probably not a real developer)
@forest cosmos perfect!
Yeah, I wanted to keep it simple, and short, and avoid distracting people with too many words
might actually talk about it in one of the podcasts
Hey the GUMBO is ready since i have stir the pot enough ..... line up for bowls
@forest cosmos I've read your blog. Nevertheless, I do think it is not true. You know why? You can still run Hass.io on a "other" system and still do all the stuff with the system you want
My spoon, it's not long enough @paper scaffold
@lapis inlet Oh yes, I've simplified things for sure
@forest cosmos questions about spoon is TMI
You can run an hybrid way, which is not pointed out ANYWHERE on the website
As I said though, if people need somebody else to guide them on what to chose, apply the KISS principle
(and not the band)
Otherwise you end up with the current install page, which lists every possible option, including ones that are known to be broken
nobody wnats gumbo except @forest cosmos which he seems to have a short spoon 😃
man...now I want gumbo 😦
I run Home Assistant for development purposes only and every install is actually different. My main development installation is an hybrid. Custom docker running Hass.io but also with some other Docker images (like portainer, and other debug stuff)
thanks guys
@lapis inlet You're not the typical new user of Home Assistant 😄
You're far more technical though
The typical new user I suspect is somebody looking at an alternative to SmartThings, Wink, etc etc
Yeah but I really don't know how to build an automation 😛 Never done it. 😛
Not somebody who can create add-ons, or somebody who can roll out server environments with Puppet/Ansible/Chef, or...
@flat ivy You're welcome... I expect this discussion to make it into the podcast somehow, sorry about that :S
haha it probably will, I'm noting it down to bring it up in one of the next couple of podcasts
I will play the devils advocate of manuel install LOL 😃
@paper scaffold Ok, then I will force Hass.io upon you 😉
Loved this discussion guys! Thanks!
likewise!
I'm not going to finish my new add-on I've worked on for a couple of weeks.
talking = no code
whats the add on if you dont mind me asking
Pi-hole for Home Assistant
nice
got pi hole.... whats taking ya so long LOL 😃
Pi-hole add-on for @home_assistant... almost ready! Still need to add SSL support and write the documentation, but yeah... it works! 🎉 https://t.co/OXKlz7CZ9u
Pi-hole was not build to run inside docker.
So that took quite some work. Also Pi-hole is based on Raspbian, I've been porting it onto other installation types, like in this case Alpine linux.
I simply got this LOL
Yeah those are the sensors, these will work with the add-on as well.
and switch I can turn on or off
yep that will work on the add-on as well.
The add-on is just a containized Pi-hole instance, modified to run inside docker & hass.io
which is the same as installing it manually
Sorry guys just woke up here. Wow
@lapis inlet I see your passion for hass.io. I would love to move over to it. However at the moment it seems to be pi only.
I wrote a guide on how to install home assistant on a Synology NAS. https://philhawthorne.com/installing-home-assistant-io-on-a-synology-diskstation-nas/
That has helped a lot of people getting home assistant up and running there. Recently I've had a lot of questions about getting HASS IO up on a Synology. Unfortunately it seems the only official way is to run it on a Pi.
I would love to move over to hassio and start making some add-ons. Perhaps you could help me getting hassio running through a Docker install, so I can make a guide for that too?
The more people we can get running hassio the better. But right now I think hassio is still fairly new, and a lot of us already have home assistant up and running to justify moving over to hassio straight away
Home Assistant is a free, open source program for Home Automation. In this guide, I'm going to show you how to install it using Docker on a Synology NAS, with full compatibility with z-wave and network discovery. There's a few things you should be familiar with before we get into the nitty-gritty of this. You…
You could use the "generic linux" installer on any linux system
For example: https://github.com/hassio-addons/hassio-vagrant (which is just simple Ubuntu running Hass.io and some extra docker containers)
This is the actuall bash script that installs it on a plain ubuntu: https://github.com/hassio-addons/hassio-vagrant/blob/master/provision.sh
(note: this installer also installs Netdata & de Portainer Docker image)
I use the above to develop add-ons. I also own a couple of other devices to test on (like some Pi's).
Hmm yeah so the problem there is it installs stuff directly onto the NAS. Although Synology is Linux, there's a chance of bricking it which I'm always fearful of
Well in that case, you'd always could go the docker in docker route (dind)
Yeah that's where my head has been at
Please, the installer in my example, is not for use on any system... it was meant for my Vagrant box. It is just an example and not an universal solution
Just to be clear on the subject here... 😉
Ok! If you've got it running in a vagrant then it does give me hope
If I can run the installer on a VM on my high availability cluster, and maintain ssh access to the host, I'm much more interested
But a DIND solution might work as well.. I currently do not own a Synology, so cannot test it
Yeah welll that provision.sh will run on a play "debian" like system
I will give that a go!
but installs extra stuff.. just run the generic linux install on a plain VM running debian/ubuntu and there you go
Portainer and netdata are pretty handy anyway
Yeah the DInD solution is one that I see a lot of people bawking at, which you've pointed out. I'll get back to the drawing board for now. Can I pm you for some advice in the future if I get stuck?
and for playing around, the vagrant option I offer does the trick as well 😉
Yeah no problem, here to help. I will check if there is some unused Synology @ work that I can borrow
What's the difference between generic install and vagrant apart from portainer and netdata?
that's it 😛
Awesome
and it installs the requirements as well
like socat, dbus and stuff
but those are simple apt-get install's
My provision script just uses the generic installer of Hass.io inline: https://github.com/hassio-addons/hassio-vagrant/blob/eab44e48ce517539b6032cfe649424b0e45b5117/provision.sh#L124
sorry, wrong paste, corrected it.
@topaz haven The Vagrant box was created by me to play around and do add-on development. So having Portainer helps and Netdata shows me what is going on performance wise. My main goal was to be as close to reality as I could get. So it uses the original Hassio installers.
add-on development on Pi is just painfull and slow. This is local and quick.
Yeah nice. I'm a bit sick of the pi being slow so I was about to move to docker anyway. I'll give that script a crack
So, if I already have an Ubuntu serrver up and running, I could run the vagrant install and have hass.io running on my server instead of AIO on my Pi3?
Hass.io has never been about the Pi. It has been our main distribution platform because it is so popular and easy to get started. Linux installation has always been right there on the installation page: https://home-assistant.io/hassio/installation/#alternative-install-on-generic-linux-server
Hi all, thanks for the great podcast :-)
A short follow up concerning the Logitech Harmony Link, Logitech announced that every Link will be replaced, not only the one still under warranty:
http://blog.logitech.com/2017/11/09/update-will-replace-logitech-harmony-links/
We heard you and we want to make it right. If you are a Harmony Link user, we will reach
woah! huge move by Logitech. I'll make sure to mention that on the next ep. That's def not what they said initially
good on them. Thanks for the heads up @formal dust !
Yep, and that's also the nicest way for them to resolve this issue 👍
@blazing prawn @abstract pagoda Just listened to the latest podcast, I feel famous, lol. Thanks for speaking about security, it's defintely food for thought and has made me completely rethink my setup. Looking forward to seeing the work on Cloud Connect in the future as it sounds really exciting. Loving the show, keep up the good work!
@unique wasp we appreciated the topic suggestion!
Ow that reminds me @abstract pagoda... Tor!
yep I saw you mention it 😃 I'll cover it in the feedback section next show
hey @steep field I get what you're saying, but when 2/3 of the installation page are Pi specific/focussed, and the "General Linux Install" section starts off with "For advanced users", it does make it seem like (to me at least) that Hass.io is all about the Pi for now, unless you're willing to get dirty and remember that "some add-ons will not be available and the documentation might not work for your installation". It seems to be very biased towards Pi users. Which hopefully as Hass.io evolves, other platforms as well will become more popular to run it on, and we'll several installation platforms for Hass.io, like there is now for Home Assistant. Just my 2c
Really loving this podcast. Thanks for putting it together
Thanks @waxen quest!
Only just come across this podcast, really cool! Thanks for your time to put it together!
Hey, as always, great work on the pod! Ever consider asking listeners a question and discussing responses in the following cast? Like "What is your most fun/quirkiest automation?"(since everyone has some variation on a set-the-mood automation) or "What is your partner's favourite automation?" type of thing? I'm always interested in seeing what unique things people are doing in their setups
@Phil Hawthorne#3390 #Pi4Life!
Just want to thank you guys for the podcasts. My 1 hour commute is so much more enjoyable while listining to nerds talking about hass.io
I definitely need to catch up on the podcasts! There are probably 2 or 3 new episodes that I need to listen to 😦
Also love listening to the podcast. HomeAssistant moves so fast, it's a great way to keep up with new features as well as learn how others are using it. Keep up the good work!
glad you enjoy it @marble flint and @stoic flint ! thanks 😃
and @willow fossil we need to have you back on at some point too!
@rkaramandi#2653 I'd love to join you guys on another episode!
@willow fossil we had a question about IR, thought you might be able to talk about that?
All of my audio equipment is at the office now, and I've been spending a lot more time here lately, so it'd be perfect. The only downside...I moved my rack to the office as well, haha.
@abstract pagoda What might I be able to assist you with in regards to IR?
for some reason we thought you might know stuff, non-harmony IR control
we could have been wrong
I know a few things about IR, but I am no expert!
sounds like more than us
Lol
😃
keen for episode after next?
If you PM me an email address I'll send you a calendar invite so you can see when the recording time is
I've used LIRC on rpi and also programmed an Arduino for IR, but it's been many years.
Rec'd, thank you sir.
please RSVP if you're in 😃 That's our standard recording time but can change if needed
Mmmmm...I love Zoom!
Latest podcast is up - https://hasspodcast.io/ha013/ - Thanks to @tranquil kernel for coming on!
Super quick @abstract pagoda
all I did was cut the start and finish off
nice
Wow.. this week went by so fast I didn't even think about a new episode.. sweeeet
only recorded it a couple of hours ago. My new workflow is making podcasting much more enjoyable for me
@abstract pagoda @blazing prawn Thank you both of you! You guys made it so easy and interactive! 🙏
Was great to have you on @tranquil kernel
absolutely! You were a natural
Hi gang -- great last episode. I developed the Tile integration and wanted to provide some insight as to why I chose cloud polling, rather than direct BLE integration. My original use case wasn't for presence detection; it was more for automation on key "valuables" (e.g., if I left my wallet at work, remind me when I arrive home). I think it fits that use case well, as well as being generally useful for presence detection. That said, if demand is high enough, I may investigate either a "mode" concept (cloud or BLE) or a separate platform that uses BLE.
@torpid mortar very nice! That use case fits perfectly with the way you've developed it
Thanks @torpid mortar! My comment was definitely just an observation, not a criticism. Definitely makes sense
Not at all, @abstract pagoda! Just excited that you guys mentioned it and wanted to share. It was a great exercise in reverse engineering a non-public cloud API. 😉 Thanks so much for mentioning!
Side note, we don't have children yet, but if/when we do, I like the idea of sticking a Tile in a backpack, rather than giving them a full-fledged iPhone for presence detection. 😉
Much cheaper to replace when they lose it, and less likely to get smashed/stolen in the playground
just catching up on the last podcast episode... love some of the ideas you've got in your home @tranquil kernel
definitely taking notes about your pi bluetooth speakers around the house 😃
@primal lance thank you!
@tranquil kernel Outstanding work! Are you satisfied with SimpliSafe overall? As newer systems like Abode have popped up, I’ve lamented not being able to do more with SimpliSafe (getting sensor values, etc.). Your thoughts?
Just finished listening.. very interesting.. gonna have to give it a second listen to catch anything I may have missed while paying attention to the road more than the podcast.
@torpid mortar Thank you! You are absolutely right.. I bought Simplisafe way before I had the Home Assistant, and I cannot complain as it provides decent amount of integration. Of course, I would love to get sensor readings (which door is open/close, motion as triggers...etc) as it is not something that is exposed currenty. I gave some fedback to the Simplisafe team, hopefully they will provide access to the sensor values in the future. Since I have my own motion sensors and multi sensors, I combine the data with Simplisafe.
Ahh, very smart. I looked in the adding this functionality, but unfortunately, the SimpliSafe sensors don’t have their data reported it back to the cloud on a regular intervals; it seems like the base station has to be synchronized in order for that data to appear. Thanks for your input! Hopefully, they get back to you!
@tranquil kernel are your automations on your github? I couldn't see them 🤔
@primal lance yes, I use packages. the automations are embedded in the files in the packages folder. https://github.com/skalavala/smarthome/tree/master/packages
aaah, gotcha. thanks
@abstract pagoda The OpenMQTTGateway is a fairly simple and easy to integrate IR receiver,transmitter and optionally extender that works well with Home Assistant. It not necessarily only HA related but it might be interesting to interview the author of that project.
Nice! Thanks. I'll drop them a line
@tranquil kernel just listening to the podcast and I have almost the same multiroom audio setup. Except I run MPD & Snapcast on ALL the Raspi Nodes. So I can play something only in the kitchen from within HA with MPD or if the snapcast server starts playing and the kitchen is in the same group it automatically switches over to that and plays synced audio.
Just thought I let you know as it seemed to me that you only have snapcast clients on the nodes and no "real" media player
@fervent rune Do you have your config for you setup shared? Looking at re-implementing snapcast after moving and your setup seems like the ideal solution:)
I have my HA config over on github BUT there is nothing there which relates to this setup really. Only the media_player configs for the MPDs on the raspis
https://github.com/PhyberApex/homeassistant-config
I did plan to write up my setup for multiroom audio...(see empty multiroom.md) but haven't gotten around to do it yet.
The Snapcast server does provide multiple streams (called groups) to play on the clients...sadly this is not configurable with the snapcast component so far in HA. Maybe if I ever get around to it I'll take a look at that.
That snapcast stuff sounds super slick. I've got all my multiroom audio done through chromecast but I have yet to fuck around with getting a single mpd instance to stream to my various chromecast groups. I wrote a mpd based jukebox webapp for my wedding that would be fun to be able to use at home
yeah it is really great for parties and stuff...to have music in all rooms synced up..walk from the living room into the kitchen to grab some food without missing any audio at all
yeah, I'm pretty impressed with the chromecast syncing as it is, the one thing on my wish list though is some way to share the management of the play queue. The way I did it for my wedding app was first-in-first-out and then when the queue was empty, pick a random song that hadn't been played recently
@fervent rune interesting... do you play local media or spotify and other online content? How does it automatically switch over from mpd to snapcast? Is there a setting or configuration for automatic switch over? I have not tried it, sounds interesting... I mostly have local media (thousands of mp3z), the current setup I have with one MPD, is easy to access, if I have multiple MPDs, then I would have multiple URLs to remember.
well I have a media center (emby) which has all the music and I can play that to the different MPDs. There is no special setting needed at all. I am using a basic raspbian and installed snapcast client, mpd, and upmpdcli (https://www.lesbonscomptes.com/upmpdcli/) to let me control mpd as upnp player.
I have no idea why it works...it just does :D
After listening to the podcast, what the platform that was mentioned that was being used as a faster replacement for Raspberry pi?
@cliftondc#2360 pretty much anything
@cliftondc#2360 NUC
@vast crest thanks!
Has anybody tried setting up the snapcast system similar to @tranquil kernel ? I set it up but any notifications/announcements I make over MPD stops music playback. I'm wondering if anybody has a fix for that.
#Pi4Life
definitely on my to do list but haven't done it yet
You mean you make an announcement in the mpd that the snapcast Server is listening on?
@ivory fern i dont know if this is not the way it's intended to be..
Yeah that may be possible, but I'd prefer if announcements just momentarily paused music playback.
@tranquil kernel is this the way it works for you also?
I am also wondering how announcements work over MPD
I have mult-room audio set up and working just fine, now ready to add in HA voice announcements
Someone opened a feature request for this over at the forums a while back btw. https://community.home-assistant.io/t/media-player-mpd-support-for-snapshot-restore/24513
Home Assistant Community
Home Assistant release (hass --version): 0.51.2 Component/platform: media_player.mpd Description of problem: When playing music via mpd and firing an automation to output something via tts to mpd the output is stopped once the tts finished playing. If I understand it correctly some other players like e.g. sonos support a snapshot/restore function which allows to snapshot the media player state, fire the tss and then restore the old state so the music would resume playing. It would be nice t...
Interesting. I may look into that and submit a PR
@willow fossil @flat ivy hey guys, can we postpone to same time tomorrow? Technical issues 😦
I can’t tomorrow but I can on Sunday?
That's the middle of the work day for me
I'll send out a doodle later on and we can work out a time
Sorry!
I can do it anytime Saturday, or Sunday before 3pm (Texas time, GMT -0600)
Oo ok lets do a doodle and send it whenever
@ripe violet nope - today would have been the recording anyways - would have come out a couple of days later
ok
@willow fossil @flat ivy https://doodle.com/poll/kf88pz2pwimrzgw9
@abstract pagoda I’ve got my times in! 👍🏻
@willow fossil @flat ivy here we go https://doodle.com/poll/kf88pz2pwimrzgw9
Just to confirm, that is 36 hours from now?
yep. 6am for me
@willow fossil if you PM me your email, I'll update the calendar invite
and send you an invite
oh. I should do that. He's already on it 😉
oh - lol I just saw Paulus
that's the next one
oh oops lol
g'night!
Dedication: Getting up at 6am on a work day to record a podcast
Pretty sure all of us have done it now
I was prepared to wake up at 4am CST yesterday morning 😛
What is the topic of today’s recording?
@abstract pagoda @flat ivy I am standing by, ready when you guys are.
I’ll be ready in 5!
Also good q haha I did the whats new part let me double check if we got that in the show notes
Wake up @abstract pagoda !!!
yeah sorry... slept through my first alarm
There he is!
zoom link coming...
Haha, no worries.
be right back
kk
Take your time.
zoom has decided to install an update... 😐
haha
Not miiiiiine 😛
Latest podcast is up! https://hasspodcast.io/ha014/
Thanks to @flat ivy and @willow fossil
@abstract pagoda That was quick! Thank you sir!
you know what we could actually do if people still want a live stream is to use a discord voice channel
Ow that would be awesome!
@abstract pagoda It's worth a try! 😃
Great show guys! Really enjoyed it
@abstract pagoda I can't believe you've actually switched!
And a major thanks for all these kind / great words about my add-ons, nice to hear some user experience 😃
@willow fossil Cloud9 is actually opensource, ACE is btw developed by Cloud9 😉
I think I know what the new home assistant feature is
@lapis inlet Thank you for the clarification!
No problem, it is running locally, so it is not using any of their cloud solutions
Sweet.
About the UNRAID thing... I created note about looking into it. I've heard quite a lot of people asking about running Hass.io in it. Should be possible... maybe? dunno... Will check
I'd be willing to test it if you have any ideas.
I need to check UNRAID first... I do not know anything about it at this moment.
There is a second case, Synology.
So I was thinking about a DinD constructions already (Docker in Docker)
Inception!
Were those teasers in the newest episode really necessary? I'm on the edge of my seat now and I don't like it!
I just listened to this weeks podcast (I listen during my commute, and it makes the drive so much better!), I really liked the format/segment where each presenter talked about what they've done (or tried to do) since the last podcast (or recently with HA if they're a guest /not a regular) I know you've done it in the past but this week it just kinda felt like its own thing and I liked it! it doesnt have to be planned or even a big thing, but we all tinker and it's great to hear about other peoples attempts: was it easy? was it challenging and what got them through (another member on discord, deep dive into manufacture docs?, luck?) I think it adds some extra content (each episode ends and I always wish it was longer! so more content is great in my opinion!) and the segment feels like a conversation (vs an update) ... great job to everyone involved as always and thanks again! and looking forward to more!
@hasty musk thanks for the feedback! I don't see why we can't include that, though I can't always promise we'll have something to report. I've been wondering about getting user stories in too, so bringing people into the show just for a bit about how they're using HA. Pre-recording a bunch even
@abstract pagoda oh man, user stories would be really cool too!
@abstract pagoda In that perspective, creators of features might be something as well...
they might tell why they created an component or feature
I think that some of those reasons might actually surprise us as well.
Yeah great show again! If you do end up wanting to talk to component creators, I can make myself available. I added the total connect alarm component and the dominos component. I've got another fun one I'm hoping to get into the next release or so, time permitting
agreed. I'm thinking I might submit a blog post about getting those kinds of people on to get people to put their hands up
@cobalt gust next podcast recording is Friday 22nd at 10pm GMT
@hasty musk Seconding @abstract pagoda - thanks for the feedback!! Glad you enjoy it
@Frenck#4484 definitely! Love that idea
@cobalt gust haha the dominoes component is great! I can't wait to try it haha
@cobalt gust The Dominos component is PURE EVIL!!!! My son would end up ordering pizza every night!
how's that a bad thing? i'd do it if i wouldn't get in trouble with my wife 😬
Great podcast guys! +1 for the device list!!!!
another +1 for ep14
Product spotlights would be cool too, maybe using user reviews
@abstract pagoda When is that exra podcast with Paulus coming out?? 😃
haha. 3 days 6 hours ish
THREE DAYS?!?:!?!?!?!?!?! I was thinking it was tomorrow!!!!! 😭
scheduling 4 people in 4 different timezones is quite the challenge
so some BIG announcement re: HASS? Hmmmmmmmmm
happy to take speculation, and I'll shoutout anyone who gets it right 😛
@forest cosmos LOL.. that would make this Fat Man's day!
I would offer free SD cards with HASS to the masses and download each one individually
So.. either I got it wrong or @abstract pagoda has disappeared..
haha. I'm not commenting on any speculation
OOOHHHH.. shoutout on the actual Podcast.. LOL
😉
@abstract pagoda Oooh... does it count if you shout out multiple things and got one right? 😛
@abstract pagoda I think the new feature being relesed is cloud allowing for easy setup of external things such as alexa
I also found component page hidden @abstract pagoda
What happens if I "guess" it right?
RE: Podcast 14. Light sensors that push. Check out mysensors. Loving that for anything sensor based. Motion, Light, Temp, Humidity, Pressure etc... Super cheap if you build yourself, and have complete control of the update frequency. Can update the light reading within a second easily. Just need to consider implications for battery life.
@ripe violet Holy Crap!! I think you are right!!!! I found the Component page for it too. WOW!!! I hope the one service shown on that page isn't the only one of that type that will be supported!!!!
@strong ridge ask alexa to open home assistant
they mentioned this on the podcast before when it was in beta
cant wait
I hope Google is going to be available too.. I can't get the current Google Assistant component to work
hope @abstract pagoda saw what i wrote
Tried every solution to the Can't connect error that is in the thread for it and none of them work for me
I'm sure he will.
I did. Like I said, not commenting on any speculation until the podcast 😃
Looks like he did
lol
so even IF 😉 that isn't the big announcement, that's gonna be an awesome feature
Agreed! I'm far too lazy to set up all the stuff required to get my echo working with HA
@abstract pagoda ok but it might be true especially sice you said so in your podcast a few weeks ago...
@abstract pagoda the emulated hue built into HA isn't easy enough?
We went the Google Home route. We have 1 Alexa, but 2 GH's currently and 2 Minis are being delivered by Santa in a couple of weeks heh
and BTW my haska has just stoped working @abstract pagoda @blazing prawn I could never get my echo to see the emulated hue
@ripe violet strange, my hue bridge via Alexa has been great. it took a couple of goes initially for Alexa to see it, but since then it has been rock solid. I have HA setup to only add devices to the emulated hue that I specify, so when I say "Alexa, discover devices" she doesn't come back with something like "I found 300 new smart home devices"
hahah. It should be more like "What, do you live in a mansion or something????" with that may devices
I get funny looks from the SO when she responds with a high number of devices
after 0.59 I havent got haska to work
Does haska require you to say something like tell the house to turn on the bedroom lights ?
no
@blazing prawn it shows up as a smart home device so i just say "Alexa, turn on the bedroom lights"
oh, very nice
but it broke for me after 0.59 😦
damn
Luckily for me everything has been ok with the Hue bridge. Although looking at the git repo, climate control would be nice
There is a page, one sec
Are you using lamda for it?
yes
if you go to AWS -> Lambda then into your Skill/Service, click the monitoring tab
then under Invocation Errors, there's a "jump to logs"
glitch in the matrix
I don't use SSL (don't shoot me, I know I know!) but found someone had created a HTTPS -> HTTP forwarder for HASS calls
that's how I got around those errors
but I use that for things like Alexa intent scripts, not haaska
i turned off verify ssl in my config aswell
wonder if there is a new version of hasska
Just popping in to say thanks for all the hard work on the podcast! I've been using home assistant for over a year and a half now, but having a podcast to listen to on the way to work has been great. I'm now going through all of the old episodes to see if there's any news I missed. Thanks!
podcast will be out in approximately 24 hours 😉
is there an official podcast schedule
We record the podcast on Friday evening GMT following each release
this one is a bonus
the details are all in the pinned messages
ok not every two weeks
usually every two weeks. This one is a bonus so there will be 3 in a row
Thanks!!
really excited for this friday
Cannot wait for this podcast!!!
😃 This should be a good one!
maybe in some seperate messages
Has it been 24 hours yet? 😃
4 hours lefft 'papa
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
we will have just started recording in 3 hours time
oh.. I thought y'all already did that
it's like Saturday or something for you
yep, 11:21am Saturday
at least you get to record at a decent hour for you this time 😃
is the podcast out?
@ripe violet a couple more hours yet. Recording starts in less than an hour
not yet, @abstract pagoda says it won't take him long to edit it, we just have to record it first 😄
@ripe violet You just wanna hear your name on the podcast lol
no I want to know when the update is out and all of the deitails of the cloud component
lol
lol me too!!
I'm afraid we're going to disappoint you @ripe violet
Will you still listen to the podcast if it is not a cloud component?
yes
but why would it say cloud is in beta then on component page
and also it was said a few podcasts ago that palus was working on somthing like that to access HA externally
but I have listened to every podcast since the day the home assistant podcast started so I like every podcast @blazing prawn
@ripe violet good 😃 I'm glad you're enjoying it. Will you come on an episode soon and share how you're using HASS?
maybe but we are renovating the house it is almost done we will move back in at the end of january then I will start automating again
ooh fun!
I'm moving house sometime in the new year. I have started putting away some of my automation stuff into boxes. Its going to be a good few wekeends when I get to open that up again
so I did say I would start live streaming the recordings. Anyone around keen for that?
sure thing
sweet i will plan for that for the next one
podcast done yet?
did i interrupt the podcast when I asked if it was done?
I responded while someone else was talking
my internet is running like balls
13.6%
@abstract pagoda whats your internet speed
usually 1000/500
megabit
yep
why is it taking so long?
no idea
werid
@abstract pagoda Thank you for this podcast, great to hear about the future
@abstract pagoda I gotta agree withthe 2 above me.. great as always
That's so exciting! I put my setup on hold because I gave up on SSL
when/where can I sign up? i thought it was already active
It will be with the release of 0.60 which I think is out today
Aw right. You said Dec 16th, I forgot it requires the actual release! I guess I will just get everything else ready and look again after dinner
time to finally get this Z-wave thing working 😃
woohoo!
I've been pacing all day waiting for .60 to drop heh
I'm working 😢
Well, so far you have missed NOTHING 😢
Well, that's better http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6886517637.png
What was it running earlier when you were having a hard time uploading the podcast?
About 10/1
OUCH
yep
Can you not say Alexa 15 times in a podcast?
Sorry! We've been trying to get better at that 😦
I think it was mostly @steep field 😉
haha I think @abstract pagoda @blazing prawn and I are getting better but we still slip up once in a while. guests - we can't really help; we have to have a pep-talk first I guess 😛
If you start live streaming it, one or more of you should have discord open for listener comments during the stream 😃
then things like Alexa 15 times could be caught LOL
you only have to actually comment on relevant posts to the chat
true
also, is it possible to bump up the line level of the podcast? it's much softer than other podcasts I listen to.
interesting. It gets levelled to -16 LUFS which is the standard
I'll try -14 next time
odd... maybe some of the others do that too
OK I'm off to bed. Just finished a go-live. 4:30am here, next booking is 7:30am 😢
ah oops, sorry about saying Alexa in the podcast 😦
you lost a GOLD ⭐ LOL 😃
bad @steep field, baaaaaaad
Only just getting round to listening to the podcast episode, but man.. I needed to mute my Echo 😛
haha - for anyone listening, please mute your Echo first 😛
@abstract pagoda you can do what other podcasts do and bleep the “Alexa” and “Okay/Hey Google”.
Though, it will obviously take more time to edit.
I think it is actually possible to adjust the audio on the recording to prevent Alexa from detecting. Amazon does it on their commercials, but I don't know how.
I'll look into it. I'd rather not manually edit if I can help it
Many tech podcasts that discuss/demo voice activated devices just warn you before they get into it so that people can turn off the mic on their devices or grab headphones
Just wanted to pop in and say: great job on the podcast!
Thanks @raw leaf !
Would anyone like to jump in on the last podcast episode for the year? 0.60 discussion and christmas wishlissts. Time is in the pinned message @flat ivy
Hmm... ok Christmas party @ the office this friday
not sure about the times though
will check it tomorrow
sweet
That if you'd like me to join of course
absolutely
awesome hey google, play homeassistant podcast
@summer forum I also like Alexa, play the latest episode of the Home Assistant podcast
Great podcast guys. You've made my dishwashing experiences a whole lot better
I also love the cloud thing. I was wondering if/and when it would come and thank you for bringing it to my attention.
@versed umbra The HASS Cloud is available in Configuration as of v 0.60
@strong ridge Yeah, I meant to say I heard on the podcast it was in 0.60
It looks pretty cool. I have our Echo connectedd with it now and it seems to work well, although it opens up everything to Amazon, not just the stuff you allow. I can't wait for new integrations to come along as we are a Google Home house, not really into the Amazon ecosystem
I just connected HA Cloud & Alexa. It couldn't be any easier! Great work by the Devs on this one for sure. I was telling Alexa to turn lights on/off within about 5 min. So great!
Hey folks. We're live over in the general voice channel
And that's a wrap
So where is the new Podcast? It was "a wrap" on Friday. 😃
It's all uploaded but I haven't gotten around to doing the show notes yet
Christmas and stuff 😛
I do a lot of work in AWS, and I wanted to help out with Hass cloud. I noticed they are using Cognito, so I can only assume your doing a the rest in AWS too.
#devs_core-archived is probably the best place for you 😃
I did ask there, but got pushed below the fold pretty quickly. Is there an email I could reach out too?
I think there's an address at the bottom of the website
Sent an email to hello@
for some reason I can't login to the podcast site to post the episode... working on it
...oops
You really got to me with the product database idea: https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant.github.io/issues/4295
Thanks! I was all geared up to do something about it then I got busy with life...
@abstract pagoda Thanks again for having me. I really enjoyed it 😄
Regarding podcast #16, there was mention of how to capture IR. I can confirm that using mysensors is a possible solution here. I personally use an esp8266 as the mysensors to mqtt gateway. I have a mysensor node with IR receiver to capture some specific IR codes from a Denon AVR home theater remote control, which eventually makes its way into HA via mqtt. In HA, automations triggered from IR codes are used to control lighting scenes in home theater room. Technically not "automation", but more of a convenience thing being able to control the lighting + audio from one remote.
Helpful, thanks! Will put that in the next podcast
Hi guys! I just wanted to let you know that I love the podcast and that I think you do an amazing job! I'm always looking forward to the next episode. Keep on recording! 😃
@abstract pagoda When is next Podcast?
In a week. Comes out between hass releases
Would be nice to see in the podcast a chat with someone that is actively using multiple hass instaces interconnected to get more insight of current state and the challanges faced along the way
if anyone is in that boat, I'd love to pick their brains
Another subject of interest is presence detection with multiple devices
Maybe someone will volunteer 😃
Have you seen this sensor? https://home-assistant.io/components/binary_sensor.bayesian/
It's a way to use multiple sensors/device trackers to work out the probability of someone being home. For example, if someones phone, keys and car are at home, then there's a good chance they're home. But, if they've got their phone and keys, but the car is at home, there's a lower chance of them being home (they've gone for a walk) etc
Haven’t seen that one
@blazing prawn The Bayesian sensor works very well. I tried to explain it https://community.home-assistant.io/t/best-implementation-strategy-for-bayesian-binary-sensor/22673/15?u=arsaboo
great way to combine multiple sensors
@digital juniper we actually had an ep where we chatted about presence - have a listen to that if you haven't already
thanks @flat ivy . Do you know which episode that was?
First off the the podcast. I started to download them but it looks like episode 10 will not download correctly. Anyone else seeing this?
@merry kiln what sort of error are you getting? Are you downloading them from the website directly?
It starts to download and then passes the 18 mb file size that is reported on the site and fails. Yes I have tried from both the rss feed page and the main page. Both do the exact same.
Downloaded OK for me. strange
Thanks phil. Just tried again and it is stalling at 30.3 MB
Tried using internet explorer and it is only downloading the first 15:41 seconds.
this week's podcast is uploading
Sweeeeeeeet
@abstract pagoda great job on the podcast
@ripe violet thanks! Couldn't do it without @blazing prawn and @flat ivy !
Anyone keen to be a guest on the next podcast?
maybe one day
but not yet we have to move back into our house then I will be able to setup home assistant
Great job guys...just finished the last episode!!
thanks @vale dock !
@abstract pagoda I'd be up to attend, I'll be in Portsmouth, NH on the 2nd with work so hopefully the hotel wifi will be ok
@summer forum awesome! If you send me an email address, I'll send you a calendar invite 😃
done
Yay! new episode! Thanx guys!
He Guys, i love your Podcast! Simply awesome, best Podcast I'm listening so far.
Thanks! 😃
@abstract pagoda In a couple weeks I'd be up for talking about a lot of the fun things I have been doing with the Snips local voice assistant lately. By then the updated hassio addon should be out and I should have a blog about getting started with Snips. With the updated addon, just adding mosquitto, snips and a usb microphone and you can turn lights on and off and add things to the shopping list and get tts responses back.
@fickle pewter sounds great!!
enjoys saying zed-wave
Hi!, I really enjoy the podcast guys..... I've been due to tell you.. 😃
@abstract pagoda new episode tomorrow? Doing the show live in general voice chat again?
recording in about an hour
Not live in discord this week? 😭 I missed it the last time you did it. Lol
when's the podcast coming out?
Not sure, but I usually listen on my way to work on Monday
editing it now
Dan do you have any stats about how many people listen to your podcasts?
about 4000 or so
wow, not bad
you get used to it 😉
Good podcast! Got to listen today to and from work
What, if any android apps are you folks using to listen to podcasts? I am currently using Pocket Cast and I am convinced it is a HUGE resource hog or has something wrong with it. My phone runs fine until I open it and then my phone runs like crap until I reboot
I have a Nexus 6 so maybe Pocket Casts requires something more recent
with a little more power
Tunein Radio app?
If you add Home Assistant Podcast to your favourites on Tunein, it will automatically download new episodes for you
I use podcast addict
Thanks guys!
awsome podcast
Hey, would it be possible to submit the podcast rss to google music? looks like it's pretty straighforward: https://play.google.com/music/podcasts/publish?u=0#
Ah! sweet, found it
It doesn't show up when you search Hass podcast but it does if you search Home Assistant
@strong ridge maybe give castbox a try. I recently switched over from pocket casts. Works great. Looking Forward for the new Episode
@echo terrace I'll check that out. Thanks!
Switched back to Podcast addict but performance hasn't really improved
Podcast Today?
tomorrow, just Rohan and Phil, I'm away at a Queen concert
pffft.. ain't Queen without Freddie
Dang!! Queen - that’s awesome!! Have fun @abstract pagoda
On the last podcast you guys discussed monitoring washing machines and kettles with a smart outlet. Which ones do you use as I’m looking to do something similar. Thanks
Perfect. Thanks
@blazing prawn I love your web site, and attention to the details for every one of those wonderful articles with code, pictures and comments! I created a HassBot command for you, you can simply invoke it anywhere on this discord server using the command ~philhawthorne. go ahead and try it 😃
Phil Hawthorne's Github can be found at https://github.com/philhawthorne and you can find Phil's wonderful Home Automation site at https://philhawthorne.com/homeautomation/
@tranquil kernel that's awesome!
Nice!
@blazing prawn I have recently moved everything to docker... I love the way how you did the Dockermon.... totally stealing that! 😃
Nice! I love Docker. @flat ivy and talked about our love for it on this mornings recording as well haha. Dockermon has worked out very well for me so far. Much easier to reboot Home Assistant now :)
Next up to automate the upgrade process
that would be fantastic.. I use docker-compose, and certainly made it easier...
Yeah Docker compose is awesome. I'm a bit worried of installing anything straight to the Synology NAS though incase I brick it, otherwise I'd be all on that too
ok... I didn't realize you are running it on your NAS. I got a new Dell Server, and setup ESXi, and installed Docker on Ubuntu VM.
ooh fancy!
that's where the @stable walrus is hosted now... fun stuff!
@tranquil kernel you consider swarm at all?
@flat ivy I installed docker swarm, definitely love it. My use case is around the multi-room audio system, and I have one image that I use to deploy to all RPis
did not realize how easy it is to setup docker swarm... hardly 2 commands, and I am all set!
Nice!! Yeah it’s great
I’m making a post on how to get it going and some caveats and such
I have it going between my house and a server I have at my parents house for redundancy
great! I'll keep an eye on it... that's cool... you got it load balanced between two houses/networks?
Kind of - there’s some things that I can’t (because of Bonjour / mDNS) but it’s more around MQTT redundancy
ah, I see! Please share the link when you are done...
Def will
do you have a blog that I missed? Maybe I should add that link to our @stable walrus for easy acess
@flat ivy this command ~rkaramandi is your's 😃
It's the content that matters... It is always great to learn other's setup and experiences
~rkaramandi
Visit Rohan Karamandi's Github at https://github.com/rkaramandi and follow his Home Automation blog at http://www.karamandi.com/
thats neat! thanks lol now to make those posts 😛
good luck!
thanks!
reminds me I have one I need to publish tomorrow!
nice
@tender gulch thanks!
@blazing prawn I think we really need a wiki for hardware, kind of like what the Linux questions forum did years ago
Agreed!!
@tender gulch yeah totally. There's so much out there now
@blazing prawn i guess what people do is look at the components list and work backwards :)
I've started a wiki kinda with the idea of getting it going but not sure is will do the job the right way
Haha @blazing prawn and I may or may not have done that live on tonight’s ep 😛
Nice @strong ridge I’ll check that out
@strong ridge me too
@strong ridge that's awesome
nothing on it yet.. just set it up this week, but I figured with it being Github it would be easy for anyone to add to it
Good call
Just made some changes that should make it more clear
@blazing prawn hey there! the dockermon is absolutely awesome... thank you! It took me literally 2 minutes to set that up.
I think you are missing a couple of \ at the end of each line at https://github.com/philhawthorne/ha-dockermon#docker-recommended
@tranquil kernel awesome!
minor thing, but those who are not famillier with docker may run into issues
Thanks! Will update that right now
I use docker compose, and here is what I have in my docker-compose.yaml file ```yaml
docker_mon:
image: philhawthorne/ha-dockermon
container_name: ha_dockermon
restart: always
volumes:
- /var/run/docker.sock:/var/run/docker.sock
- /path/to/config:/config
ports:
- 8126:8126
Nice! I'll add that to the readme as well!
great! here is my complete docker-compose file... https://www.hastebin.com/nitawohema.rb
Just updated the readme 😄
awesome... just wondering, you didn't specify the network to host... ?
For Dockermon?
Because its just a simple service, I find it only needs one port exposed. Doesn't need the full host network
ah, I see...!
@tranquil kernel if you set network: host, do you still need to expose specific ports?
isn't that what host does?
no - the host basically tells the container to use the same IP instead of having a new docker IP address....
ahhh
I am trying to move all my individual containers over to compose but I'm skairt I'm gonna screw it all up lol
I guess I am mainly afraid that I won't be able to get the current containers set back up if something doesn't work... don't know if I remember correctly how I started them in the first place lol
ok... keeping the notes/docker commands in a file until you feel comfortable is always good practice.
yeah.. I am figuring that out.. on the good side.. I just found a bunch of bash script I copied/made to start them
haha I have a whole page in my OneNote with all the docker run commands I used to originally start them, cause I know I'll need them again
you might be able to get some of the runtime information by running docker inspect IMAGE_ID command
you may be able to recreate the command 😃
yeah docker inspect is awesome. You can also use the container name if that's easier like docker inspect home-assistant
ok.. cool.. I'll try that!
what images do you use now? @strong ridge
you will probably find the commands easily
home-assistant, dasher, minecraft, Ombi, Muximux, transmission, node-red, glances
never heard some of them 😛
tried adding Sonarr and Radarr too but had problems so I am letting those wait until I can sort it out
Ombi and Muximux are for my Plex
trying to get mosquitto added
glances is built-in home-assistant, you can use the glances sensor out of the box
oh
its been there since version 0.20
hmmm.. I stopped the glances container and now nothing is showing up in hass
all the sensors I have are showing unavailable
glances sensors, that is
restart it and sensors are back
@strong ridge what areOmbi and Muximux for?
Ombi lets people request stuff to be downloaded for the Plex and Muximux gives me one webpage for all my Plex and associated programs
ooh
So one of my kids can go to the Ombi webpage and search for Harry Potter and then select the one they want and Radarr will automatically get it for them
That's what I need!
and add it to the Plex when downloaded
Excellent
yeah.. it's cool
more things for me to install 😄
Muximux is just a nice interface for running iframes
I see, so you could just have Ombi as an iframe panel inside Home Assistant?
I currently have Sonarr and Radarr added like that
yes
or have a muximux panel in HASS with all the media related stuff in Muximux
we should move this to #the-water-cooler
Is the new Episode already available?
Episode has been recorded. @abstract pagoda needs to edit it and upload it. Shouldn't be too far away
@outrun0506#9483 nothing yet
😮 @abstract pagoda Just saw your tweet. Hope all is well!
@blazing prawn when will the podcast be released
@ripe violet Dan will hopefully get a chance to edit it soon and then publish it
Unfortunately, yes. Hopefully he'll come on in the future
I thought that once you were in hass you were in hass for life
@summer forum sounds like a cult!
IT IS!
haha
so what's up with the podcast for this week? is it coming out?
sorry team. I'm editing it right now
It's up now. Sorry about that. This kinda showcases why I'm taking my leave from podcasting
Great episode! You guys rock as always!
Looks like the SSL certificate on the origin server has expired. Cloudflare refuses to fetch new pages.
@blazing prawn ?
oops
I hate it when that happens 😃
We're in the process of moving some servers around, so guess my host is taking its time updating the cert
http://hasspodcast.io (without SSL) should work for now
Ha, my first guess was automated letsencrypt that failed, somehow..
It seems like the download links redirect to HTTPS
haha of course they do 😄
actually, ```Not Found
The requested URL /podcast-download/94/ha019.mp3 was not found on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.```
permalink issue perhaps?
yeah, there's no htaccess, Will get WordPress to generate one now
I tried to append another parameter to URL to try to bypass clooudflare cached object, and got the same sort of error. so probably wordpress is trying extra hard by default to make sure everyone is secure and encrypted. Or something. It never ends, eh?
Haha, yeah the site URL is set to HTTPS
One of the certs just generated, so hopefully it generates before I push everything over to HTTP
By the way, thanks for the great podcast! I feed badly complaining that the free thing I want is broken.
you're most welcome. I'm rather pleased that you were so quick to jump on it and say it was down
Just the luck of the draw, I suppose. I work in the ops team at $WORK, and I'm usually on the other end of this experience, after the fire is already shooting out of whatever busted. So a rather novel change for me, with the shoe on the other hand.
Funny that at work we've just gone through a painful certificate replacement process, trying to find all the places it happens to live. Gets better every time through.
@blazing prawn - yay, seems to be working now
@olive bloom still got SSL issues, but at least people can download it now over HTTP while they get fixed 😃
right, I was still on the http:// page when I tried it
ah, I see the self-signed cert
just tell people when they see the warning in chrome to type badidea
Wow that's awesome
a real time-saver
yeah
that is awesome!!!
@cobalt gust or someone else, do you mind sharing the URL to the Google Play Music link for the podcast? Won't let me find it in Australia 😦
@abstract pagoda @blazing prawn I has Toaster Integration 😃 for each side
Tumble dryer is next
@blazing prawn @abstract pagoda http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/9096080/Organised-crime-routinely-jamming-GPS.html
from HASS 18
I knew i wasnt just making it up.
@blazing prawn do you mean this link? https://play.google.com/music/m/Izzzujgzgic3a5zyn6a23wxf3ra?t=Home_Assistant_Podcast
That looks like it! Thanks @solar ingot
yup np 😃 just realized i was not signed up for new notifications lol
@summer forum wow that's cool. Makes sense. Esp with so many cars now having built in GPS and tracking
@olive bloom Thanks, I had never heard of badidea before 😂
Awesome Podcast
Thanks @ripe violet
thanks @ripe violet!
howdy! (cowboy joke)
Har Har Har! (Pirate joke)
New Episode of the Podcast is up, talking about 0.64
Special shout out to @abstract pagoda who is leaving the podcast. Thanks for starting this thing, @flat ivy and I will be sure to keep this thing going!
I sound different without my fancy microphone 😛
how long does it normally take for the podcast to hit google play music?
Should be within 24 hours I believe
Good podcast, guys! As always
thanks @strong ridge
great podcast @blazing prawn, @flat ivy and @abstract pagoda
@abstract pagoda will you come back to the podcast?
thanks @ripe violet
I always listen to the home assistant podcast while editing my config files
nice! better than doing it while shopping for HA stuff 😛
heh that's how you spend too much $ 😛
The Home Assistant components page is my shopping list
Its true
I always check the components page before buying somthing
I found out about the broadlink remotes after looking through the components page
every one should also look at the list once or twice too lol
So what is the current status for HA podcasts? They are paused now?! Do we have a new moderator?
@hushed scroll I believe Rohan and Phil have taken over
hey @hushed scroll @strong ridge is right, @flat ivy and I will be keeping the Podcast alive
ah cool 👍
If anyone wants to come on the next podcast episode, we'll be recording in a little over 12 hours time
@blazing prawn I just noticed that 0.64 is not on google play music....was trying to listen to it earlier today on there
latest looks to be 0.63
So annoying! Each Podcast platform seems to update Podcasts at their own (strange) rate.
TuneIn didn't update for quite some time, then all of a sudden it did
wow really?
you would think they would just publish once ready
or run a nightly job
You'd think. All Podcasts are based on RSS, so each service needs to read each Podcast RSS every so often. I think Apple checks our RSS once every 24 hours, Pocketcasts is once an hour, TuneIn who knows, and now Google might be once every 2 weeks or something
wow ok, I never really listened to podcasts before but I like this one lol maybe I should try another app lol
Unfrotunately I don't have access to Google Podcasts (because people outside of the US don't listen to Podcasts, right?) so if it doesn't update soon, I'll get Paulus to take a look
wow really? I hate when they do that
Geoblocking is the worst
yea it is very limiting
@solar ingot - until we figure out what's going on, http://hasspodcast.io 😃
and I believe we're on Stitcher and TuneIn now as well so theres some possibilities
Alexa, play the latest episode of the Home Assistant Podcast
^ ive done that and that works too! 😃 +10 points
thanks @flat ivy 😃
😃 anytime! I haven't used Stitcher myself (literally just downloaded it since I mentioned it to you) but I hear good things
YAY! New Podcast!
😃
Folks - for those listening on Google Play, we're having some slight issues on that right now...working with Google support to get it resolved. Hopefully soon.
Haha, @livid ice it is very hard not to say her name, we've slipped up a couple of times already
It's SO annoying. I actually have podcasts now baiting Alexa
it's appreciated that you guys are trying.
Really? What do they try do?
"Just say 'Hey Alexa, play ______ podcast."
this was in an ad for another podcast on their network.
oh wow, of course
lol yes, I guess it is a pretty big problem now that Alexa is so good at hearing her name and carrying out those orders. It all used to be about phones which hardly hear you pooperly, but now with Alexa being able to hear so well (perhaps too well?) it becomes a problem
[GRAFANA] does anyone know how to perform multiple operations on one field, example convert from celsius to F with (-32)*1.8?
@stable patrol Try #general-archived or #330944238910963714 😉
Hi Guys, After cloning as many repos full of configurations i could find, I ran a text search for any configuration which might have implemented the open_alpr component, and I have failed to get a hit. My question, on a few of your podcasts you mention that you have this working - is it possible to share a configuration as a example of this please
@waxen rock Is the configuration from the PR for the component enough?
https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant/pull/5166
Hey @waxen rock - @abstract pagoda had it working if I recall
Good cast this morning, while traveling I binged out on 20 episodes, to get the history; today’s session was good but I do have a question - I am very comfortable with Docker and Kubernettes, often running training on these technologies. On my Linux box I have deployed the Hass.io supervisor and it’s Docker image for Home Assistant, but I have not figured what is the difference between the Home Assistant Docker image and the Hass.io delivered image for Home Assistant (ignore the supervisor image, that’s obvious). And what are the factors to consider as benefits baked into the two options. All configuration and static data is outside the containers so it’s really what’s inside the containers that we should know when choosing
For the ALPR I have a simple config with no errors but I am not getting any events of data found, also calling the image_platform.scan really finds nothing. So question is how do I debug this and if @abstract pagoda has a config that works what does that look like and how much of the image must the plate take up in the placement of the camera (Hikvision in my case). Finally do you use a motion event to trigger an automation to start the scan service and then an automation to trigger on a scan event to trigger the announcement or something activity?
Keep up the great work.
@viscid palm thank you. That helped a lot. Should have considered the oil request. Great pointer for good documentation just a tad tough to search
Hey @waxen rock glad you enjoyed it!
I can't speak about the ALPR, as I have no experience with that, but from my understanding the HASS IO and Home Assistant containers should be almost identical. I say almost, as I believe there are some extra build steps done to the image, which is my HASS IO takes a few extra days before the latest Home Assistant release is available.
I would be taking a complete stab in the dark here, but I assume those additional tweaks will be for things like exposing some APIs and extra UI layers, such as the HASS IO configuration panel, which allows installing addons and adjusting some other settings.
Apart from that, they should be identical. A few people are of the opinion that HASS IO is a great way for less tech inclined people to run a Docker version of Home Assistant. Whereas more advanced users will find more fexibility in running Home Assistant in Docker directly.
Cheers. I think the last point is almost irrelevant as essentially all that hassio is, when compared to the basic homeassistant docker image (as far as I can tell from reading the Dockerfiles and build scripts, and your also somewhat confirming) is Hassio offers a container that manages the homeassistant container and can interrogations are executed to maintain health, offer simpler installations of additional containers like Cloud9, AppDaemon , etc. But more importantly hassio offers a truly simple Method to update the container version. I see no reason that would prevent a swarm or a kubernettes pod configuration working with hassio when compared to the single Home assistant image. In my implementation I have chosen a Linux install with Docker running lots of containers but also using hassio supervisor container as it gives me home assistant, and extensions pre tested and working in thier dedicated containers for appdaemon, etc. I see this as a power user or novice win as you get best of both
I will admit that after spending the best part of 15 years doing home automation and during that period holding certification on platforms like control4, CBus, etc, and currently do pro installs using iRidium, I am super impressed with Home assistant as will adopt it Robert core in my own installation
Thank you for investing time to podcast. It honestly has help me to accelerate my knowledge of the platform and it’s extensibility.
thanks for the episode guys - you mentioned influxdb and i remembered i wanted to have a look at it and now im setting some docker images 😉
good that i dont have a garage cause i googled ALPR 😉 those rabbit holes are everywhere
@waxen rock thx for this " In my implementation I have chosen a Linux install with Docker running lots of containers but also using hassio supervisor container "
did the superviser require any configuration ?
@waxen rock sorry for the late reply - been tied up with work and fam stuff 😦 but as both you and @blazing prawn alluded to - under the covers, its really all the same, except the supervisor module - which makes all the difference for someone who's not as tech-savvy as someone that knows Kube (and also depending on how much effort you want to put into this). It depends on the individual use-case is really what it comes down to 😃
Also - thanks for the kind words about the podcast! we love hearing the feedback and would love to have folks such as yourself to appear on the podcast
@lucid current InfluxDB is great - once you pair it to Grafana, you can make some really interesting graphs and look at trends and stuff around your home. I'd show you screenshots of mine, but I took mine down for a little bit to redo it but never got back to it...guess I should do that too 😉
@flat ivy No problem at all, with Easter just passed, things can get a little crazy.
For the Podcast, I would be delighted to join you, but after listening to every episode, I would not be in the same category of all the prior guests whom all have had so much positive contributions to the home assistant community; My perspective would be of a New Arrival to this platform, but I can talk to my history with professional solutions (Clipsal/Control4/KNX/iRidium) and my parallel time in the Enthusiast world (Charmed Quark, Elve, Home Seer, Domoticz, Home Assistant), and why do both! As a Microsoft MVP my days live a lot in Cloud and Datacenter technologies, so if you think a discussion would be of interest to the community i would be delighted to share.
WooHoo, for all our talk about a product database a while back someone done gone and did it https://www.hadevices.com/
https://www.hadevices.com/product/17 this one looks like an iron lol
cool, no legal information but tons of ref links
gotta make dat 💰
They aren't referral links that I can see. Ah I see some of the new ones are. I'll mention that on the thread that he should add the standard disclaimer
On the topic of the one who must not be named. One of the biggest life mistake you can make today is to name your child Alexa
I feel sorry for anyone who is named Alexa already
Thanks for the podcast again guys!
any update on google play not updating
@flat ivy How many Waze points do you have? 😛
great podcast guys!!! agree with @MikeD#9421 hopefully Google will get fixed soon
Haha @willow fossil I had to get a new account a while ago but right now 149,063
Thanks @lapis inlet !!
@solemn basin @solar ingot not sure 😦
Google is taking their time with it - I keep following up but they’re pretty unresponsive; it’s pretty frustrating tbh
@flat ivy Nice! That’s quite a few! I created my account 8 years ago, but didn’t really start using it religiously until about 3-4 years ago. Currently sitting at 352,444.
Oh dang! Yeah I’m a huge fan of it!
jeez at this point would it be faster to just create a new account?
great podcast
thanks @ripe violet ! @solar ingot - honestly, yes, but it would make things messy (i.e. having 2 Home Assistant Podcasts). And more annoyingly, we don't know that we won't have the same issue again
?
(for your thanks) the second point was in response to shakuyi
😃
I’m on the voice chat on the Discord channel of @home_assistant… All alone 😢
Makes me wonder, maybe we should do some kind of Q&A or AMA kinda thing sometime… 🤔
This might be something for hosting in a podcast as well, right? 😃
@lapis inlet absolutely. One of my things (on my ever growing to-do list) is to offer the ability for visitors to hasspodcast.io to upload MP3 questions, or set up a skype voicemail or something
Great podcast as always guys! Bit panicky that Paulus wants everything to move into a GUI first approach for editing and creating automations, scripts and other things :S I guess it will align with Ubiquiti's plan of bring HA to the masses..
also @lapis inlet I think we actually did that once haha
@pine gazelle thanks for your comments! Personally (this is just my opinion) its less about Ubiquiti and more about bringing HASS to the masses - that's the entire point of HASS.io for example. Right now, home automation isn't really for the masses unless you know what you're doing. If you are more technical, then you can still use it with advanced configs (file-based)
@flat ivy (Again all thoughts an opinions)
I think your totally right, I want more people in home automation, I think we all do, after all it'll bring even more components into our ecosystem. The risk I think is causing the current user base (the technical enthusiasts) to end up in forked version or leaving entirely for another solution if the project pivots too much or too fast. Currently I would guess 80% of the users wouldn't use or consider using the automation builder; but of the market the project seems to be targeting (the smartthing and similar guys) this will be as advanced as they may ever get.
I'm only 9 months into this, but I feel I'd be missing out on so much without the yamls, being "encouraged" to integrate JSON into my automations and other such fun stuff!
Paulus and the other creators have done fantastic work and know they'll do a great job of keeping the project on track, these are merely some personal thoughts to maybe start some discussion 😃
Yaml automations were fun until I started migrating everything to appdaemon and doing way more complex stuff
I'd never use a graphical automation builder. It could never do all I want it to do
This is the great thing about HA - to each his own
Finally caught up with the Podcast after starting it a week or two ago, really enjoying it and it's going to be sad now having to wait for a new episode. I'm eagerly waiting!
@pine gazelle I totally get what you’re saying! But as long as HASS keeps multiple ways of using it, we should be good!
@lean hornet Glad you’re enjoying it!! 😃
@ornate imp I use appdaemon a lot and have a lot of other stuff in node-red which is awesome
Yes this last episode was my first time listening - it was great
Unfortunately we're still experiencing issues uploading the Podcast to Google Play Music. Other music services are available. Weirdly, you should be able to ask your Google Home to play the Home Assistant Podcast
@blazing prawn @flat ivy Guys, absolutely love the podcast – very well done. Want to throw in an offer: I’ve been fortunate to have many components and platforms accepted into HASS; additionally, doing several cool things with my own set up and I think I’m a fun guy. 😊 I’m sure you have no shortage of guest possibilities/requests, but if interested, I would be a glad and willing participant on any episode.
@torpid mortar that sounds awesome! I'll send you a DM
@torpid mortar glad to have you!
I am a happy guy too
@paper scaffold Be honest. Yer a cranky old man
I think it's great that the latest episodes have coincided more with the releases, I guess that might be because of the new beta week? It's great to hear you talk about the latest release more in sync with the actual release!
@long herald thanks! We were in two minds if we should move our release schedule or not
@blazing prawn Don't move it. I'm with @long herald in my like of how they kinda sync up better this way
just downloaded it. I'm noob and curious to learn a lot.
Hope you enjoy it @dusky hornet .
@blazing prawn podcast is my thing really. Having a podcast on HA is really cool. I guess I am listening the very and only episode, right?
@dusky hornet There's 24 episodes you can binge at https://hasspodcast.io 😄
@blazing prawn wow! I use BeyondPod as podcast player so I just changed the settings for this podcast to download all of them. They are coming now... woohoo!
Nice!
@blazing prawn Soon there's going to be a udemy on home assistant if there's one already.
that moment when google play music gives you a notification about a new HA podcast and you see its podcast 23 from april 13 lol
Haha @solar ingot good to know; those using google play will notice the ep’s starting to come through. Hopefully they’re in the right order 😕 they take a while to process; and only happens serially from what I understand
With that said - we were finally able to resolve our google play issues 😃 and it sounds like it worked!
yea i was happy to see the notification 😃
and yea it is out of order....0.66 is not on there lol
ZOM G finally. thanks for letting us know @solar ingot
There's two episodes to come through still. Will be interesting to see if Episode 25 comes out before those 😃
@blazing prawn when do you think 25 will come? 😄