InfiniteStamina

[distant depot]

A LabAPI plugin for SCP: Secret Laboratory that gives all players (except SCPs) infinite stamina.

https://github.com/Leifur713/InfiniteStamina

[solemn garden]

Thank you very helpful

❤️

[worldly schooner]

Using a background thread for this is a little overkill

Not even sure you're meant to touch game thread objects outside of it

[distant depot]

Yeah, I understand what you mean about background threads. I used one initially, but I tested it and everything seems to work fine in-game. I’ll keep your advice in mind for future updates and try to rely more on events running in the main game thread.

[worldly schooner]

Would be better to make a component that sets it on tick

[solar badger]

This can be done without a plugin @solemn garden

This is in the config_gameplay

There's a ton of settings already baked into the game

[solemn garden]

ah i didnt know that

[solar badger]

Also there's no reason to include IsEnabled in your plugin config

Every plugin generates a properties.yml where it generates configs that has this already

[lean galleon]

you should look at the wiki regarding coroutines

this is just so cooked 😭

[wispy comet]

I know him, he uses AI.
The code is really poorly written.
Why does everyone have to use AI for everything?
I think coding should stay AI free.

[static aurora]

In my opinion AI is not a bad thing for coding, it just needs to be used correctly and the user should not cross a limit

[worldly schooner]

I figured it was AI but wasnt entirely sure

Rip

[solar badger]

Just a little compilation of some of the most obvious AI mistakes and tendencies

[solar badger]

Ong didn't even look at the plugin when I initially responded because of this, I was just curious if he pulled the classic IsEnabled manuever I saw in the last plugin I found posted here

[wispy comet]

@distant depot

That’s absolute trash.

[distant depot]

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

I appreciate the technical advice about coroutines, components, and the built in config settings. I am still learning and trying to improve my understanding of LabAPI, so constructive criticism is helpful.

Yes, I sometimes use AI as a tool, but I do not just copy and paste blindly. I test everything myself and I am working on understanding the code better so I can improve it properly.

If you have specific suggestions on how I can structure it better or implement it in a cleaner way, I am open to learning.

🙁

[alpine kernel]

i found a bug

Nice INVALID

lol

[solar badger]

I can respect learning and trying to improve
I appreciate your professional attitude in response to people dogging on you
However, when you are making plugins primarily off the back of AI, especially when it is blatant enough to where people are actively noticing issues in your code, you should not be making your projects public

The most respectable thing is to hone in your craft privately and try to do your best to improve

I've been doing dev work for probably 1.5 years now here as my first foray into the life of a developer, and I only released my first public plugin like a few days ago

The reason people are so critical of your work is because you're releasing it publicly intending for other people to use it
When you do that, you are instantly held to a higher standard

That is a standard that, so far, you have not lived up to

[distant depot]

Thank you for taking the time to explain your perspective.

I understand what you are saying. Releasing something publicly does come with responsibility and higher expectations. That is fair.

My intention was not to push out low quality work, but to learn through feedback and real world usage. I agree that I still have a lot to improve, and I will take this as motivation to refine my skills and clean up my implementations before publishing future projects.

I genuinely appreciate constructive criticism like this. It helps more than you might think.

[kindred slate]

My opinion, AI is a grey area, AI is a tool and is literally designed to be used to make things easier, it should not be used to do it for you, for example this can be something like asking for ideas, asking to help identify an error (as sometimes it's a simple spelling error or something like that which can sometimes take long to find and debug), so should you AI, absolutely, should you use AI entirely, no, that would not be your work, when it comes to generating code AI just generate absolute slop, as some other developers have identified mistakes in your code, my advice, yes use AI, but do not rely on it, do not use it for everything, do not use it to generate your code for you, coding is an art, it takes time, it takes effort, if you take shortcuts, especially too many you will just create a sloppy plugin.

[distant depot]

I understand your point and I actually agree with a lot of it.

I do see AI as a tool, not as a replacement for learning. I use it mainly to speed up understanding concepts, get suggestions, or help identify mistakes, but I know that relying on it too much can hurt long term growth.

You are right that coding takes time and effort, and I do not want to take shortcuts that prevent me from improving properly. I am still in the process of learning and refining my skills, and feedback like this helps me understand where I need to focus more.

I appreciate you taking the time to explain your perspective.

[kindred slate]

And yes, when you release a plugin publicly there are certain "expectations" that you must live up to, which as stated before, you have not, but that's okay, don't let that discourage you, keep going and trying

[distant depot]

In which file is the error code located?

[distant depot]

I will, but you also have to consider that the plugin works and that you can use it.

[alpine kernel]

i mean it's doc related not to you

[kindred slate]

Also, I am unsure as to why this is a plugin, there seems to be configs for it already

[solar badger]

The problem here is that the AI is teaching you bad practices
It's like asking a blind person to make a painting
Like yeah, they may have enough expertise to make a crude painting, but they can't actually see the result, they can't actually see what's wrong with what they made

[solar badger]

Something I pointed out at the beginning

[kindred slate]

That's actually well said

[kindred slate]

Also, your responses are clearly AI generated, just pointing that out

[kindred slate]

I saw that just now

[solar badger]

I appreciate that

[distant depot]

No

I write the answers myself

[kindred slate]

Well for starters it's in an AI structure, it sounds like AI and you wrote that response like, really quickly after I sent my message, like 200wpm quickly

[distant depot]

I use Google Translate because my English isn't very good.

[kindred slate]

My point still stands

[distant depot]

I didn't write them with AI; at the end of the day, you can think what you want.

[solar badger]

I think too often people use AI as a crutch
You can claim you use it for learning, but there's only so much an AI can actually teach you
All the AI knows is what gets put into it, it doesn't have any actual comprehension
Generative chatbots weren't trained to understand the inner workings of SL nor LabAPI, they will tell you what you want to hear

The code produced here is a shining example of something that looks good at a surface-level, but is filled with flaws

And it sets a bad example for people coming into this community trying to find simple plugins to learn off of

[kindred slate]

I think I will thank you, as well as other people, look, if you're gonna just use AI for almost everything then I don't see you as a fellow developer, please, with all due respect and in the nicest way possible, go back to VS and learn more, maybe with you're own brain and knowledge, AI should be a privilege as well, before you even use it you should know how to do that thing yourself first

[solar badger]

Based take

[distant depot]

You're right, but you have to remember I'll still be releasing updates independently, without AI!

[solar badger]

Right but if you build your foundation out of cards, a bit of glue isn't the solution to finishing your house

You have to actually learn the skills required to not only maintain a good codebase, but to create it in the first place

[distant depot]

Sorry for making my first plugin with AI, but in my opinion this will only help me because I now understand how to do it for future plugins.

[kindred slate]

Here's an example, cars have advanced quite a lot, most of them have parking cameras now, however, you should not be allowed to use parking cameras until you know how to park without them, only then do you get the luxury of making that shortcut

[solar badger]

Except you don't understand how to do it for future plugins, the AI has fed you a load of rubbish

It's based of old code and faulty assumptions

[kindred slate]

Nor do you know how to do it efficiently

becuase the AI has fed you a load of rubbish

[solar badger]

The code compiles, maybe it even works, but it's highly inefficient, poorly organized, and it's gonna be even harder to work with as a result

You weren't even knowledgeable enough in the SL codebase to know that stamina options were defined in the gameplay config, making this plugin instantly obsolete

I know I'm being critical but I'm not even being critical of your work, as most of it isn't your work

[kindred slate]

The same goes for AI, you should not use AI until you have learnt how to do that task yourself, only then do you get the luxury of taking the shortcut and using AI (but most the times if you've already learnt it you'll just be able to create better code anyway so just dont use it)

[distant depot]

I understand how to create a plugin using AI; it's a start, and while I appreciate the feedback and it helps me improve, please remember that I still want to learn and this is my first plugin ever. Please take that into account.

[solar badger]

If it's your first plugin ever you should've made it privately and not released it

[kindred slate]

Who in the world uses ; lmao

In casual texting on discord

Sorry, just another hint of AI lmao

[solar badger]

This is the reason you're now being heavily scrutinized, you decided for your first work you'd generate it with AI and then release it to the public

[distant depot]

Yes, you're right, but I thought it didn't exist yet, so I'll upload it.

Google Translator

@kindred slate

[kindred slate]

I don't think google translate puts that in for you

[kindred slate]

Oh wow, this is.. interesting

[solar badger]

My advice, if you're trying to enter plugin development for SL
Don't use AI
Take a look at simpler plugins (like one that I made #1472919057832607992), and learn from those examples to make your own code
If you need help from someone, ask in #plugins-dev-chat, or #1274618202227216414, don't ask an AI and expect it to have a level of knowledge on par with any of the developer's here

[kindred slate]

Well said, there are plenty of developers that will gladly help you in your journey, hell, @solar badger helped me like 10 minutes ago

[distant depot]

Yes, you're right

[solar badger]

I love helping people

It saddens me as I keep seeing more and more plugins made by AI, or some low-effort port of an existing plugin
It feels like we're losing any semblance of creativity, of actual merit

I'll never stop being critical of people relying on AI for their work

I use AI myself, but I use it as a proper tool, not as a crutch for making my work for me

It should streamline the process, not replace it

[distant depot]

I'm supposed to write to the developer: "You're just mad because you're getting replaced by AI."

[solar badger]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-ratte-dr-house-gif-264714550883543323

[distant depot]

I find that unnecessary

[kindred slate]

Look @distant depot, we aren't trying to crack down on you, we're not trying to be rude, we are simply telling you that what you have done is not the right approach and that you should change it, we can even offer advice, @solar badger already has, we understand that this is your first public, maybe even first plugin, but you need to understand that you cannot just use AI to create your first plugin and the publish (not even knowing that the feature is already in the game configs), before you start publishing just learn, @solar badger even said he's been coding SL for 1.5 years and only recently published his first plugins, same here, I've been doing it for about 1.25 years and I've only just started releasing plugins and they aren't even the best that they could be becuase I'm inexperienced still, it's hard, coding in general is hard, like I said it's an art, it takes time, dedication, it is not something you can learn on a whim, please, take this not in a way to push you down, but to you bring you up, to help you

[steady jungle]

i am horrified

[kindred slate]

Just out of curiosity, horrified of what?

[steady jungle]

everything in the source code

[kindred slate]

Oohhh

[steady jungle]

i just read the chat

but like

😭

[distant depot]

but it works

[kindred slate]

I thought you were talking about the very inspirational messages that @solar badger and I cooked up

[steady jungle]

im surprised

[kindred slate]

That is so not the point

[steady jungle]

i dont think any bit of this was written by a human

[solar badger]

"It works"

[steady jungle]

lmao

[kindred slate]

Yeah lets get a car from the junkyard, no mirrors, wipers, the left back wheel doesnt work but hey, it drives so like lets use it

[steady jungle]

i mean

[kindred slate]

We had the same idea lmao

[steady jungle]

i assume theyve not coded before

[distant depot]

The game runs flawlessly.

[steady jungle]

but yeah

[solar badger]

Todd Howard moment

[steady jungle]

please learn unity, sl or anything before using AI to write it, so you at least understand why its sub optimal what the AI gave you

[kindred slate]

But does it run efficiently, is the code efficient, the best it could be, is it optimized

-# if you say yes then I don't know what I'll do to myself

[distant depot]

It's running okay, it might have some bugs, but it works without problems.

[kindred slate]

bugs = problems, like what

You cant say might have bugs but works without problems, that's the most contradicting thing I've seen tonight

[steady jungle]

i mean:

• the game has config loading that you can use, no need to write a custom thing and handle all that
• theres LoadConfigs override instead of doing it in Enable
• Using a new thread in Unity, is horrific and CAN result in your plugin killing the server
• I'm pretty sure you can set a players stamina without getting the module manually, but maybe im wrong
• this functionality requires no plugin

did i miss anything

[kindred slate]

Also, one more thing, coding is a language, it quite literally is another language, if you're using google translate to go from german to english no wonder you're using AI to get code, if learning another language for you is hard then learning how to code/learning another language will also be hard

[distant depot]

It's 12:14 pm here.

[steady jungle]

yes but thats not their thing

they were saying that THEYVE seen tonight, yk.. their timezone, not yours

but yeah

[kindred slate]

Since it was in my message and I was saying it, it was being said relative to my own timezone

But okay then

[distant depot]

yes

[steady jungle]

anyway off i go, ive seen enough AI slop for today - please learn to code

[kindred slate]

-# how about the AI slop? (no offence, just the the truth)

[kindred slate]

Amen

Lemme correct that real quick, please learn to code properly

[distant depot]

So, I wish you all a good day or a good night, and I will continue working to manage without AI! Thanks for the feedback!

[kindred slate]

Wow, great message

-# lord have mercy on your soul

Anyway, off to coding

[kindred slate]

-# if you couldn't tell that was sarcasm

[distant depot]

:/

[pure rune]

image
-# Google Search: man using ai as a developer

peak

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[wispy comet]

This guy is awful.
I hate that he uses AI all the time and keeps saying he made everything himself.
@kindred slate, you’re my hero.
I can’t deal with this anymore.

[kindred slate]

Yeah, its so stupid, like he even uses ai for his responses

[wispy comet]

true

[pure rune]

Always 4 points
And in every Message there is Atleast one: I appreciate
Lmao

[kindred slate]

Yeah, there's just no way bro is writing a TEAL paragraph for every response, and in about 15 seconds

[pure rune]

xD

Hey ChatGPT, Kitt Anwsered to my Message… What should I reply?
Ahh Message xD

[kindred slate]

By the way, that's not to say I don't use it, now before you go calling me a hypocrite, I don't use chatGPT for quite literally everything, it is a pretty powerful tool and can come in handy, a very good example of this is errors, chatGPT should be used as a search engine, not as a creating tool, chatGPT and AI in general is no where near advanced to create something better than a human could, however, searching things, now that's something else, instead of me spending 2 hours searching website like stack overflow and reddit and going on discord and asking people I can simply ask ChatGPT and it does a a search that would've taken 2 hours in just 10 seconds, that's is where chatGPT becomes useful, for me that is where I'm fine with it, also a good thing to mention this is my 2nd last resort to finding a fix to an error, not my first, I don't just ask chatGPT for any error I get as most time the error is a simple or close to simple fix

[lean galleon]

This is so real

[worldly schooner]

I just don't use AI

Easy way to avoid all the drama

[alpine kernel]

i use ChatGPT to learn :3

[static aurora]

Claude better

[wispy comet]

true

[distant depot]

true

[zinc cape]

@distant depot

[distant depot]

InfiniteStamina v1.1.0 is out! https://github.com/Leifur713/InfiniteStamina/releases/tag/InfinitieStamina1.1.0

If any problems arise, you can write them here.

[stone folio]

[wintry coyote]

Made by **YourName** 🙏

[lean galleon]

nah

mein name

[kindred slate]

Yeah you would know lmao

Also I thought we discussed that there was an in built feature for this already?

[wintry coyote]

unser name

[distant depot]

I forgot xD

[distant depot]

My plugin has one advantage, namely that you can configure it using the SCPS.

[solar badger]

Could you elaborate?

[distant depot]

https://github.com/Leifur713/InfiniteStamina/releases/tag/InfiniteStamina1.1.1

[distant depot]

SCPs don't actually have a stamina bar, but the option is there just in case future updates add it or for any edge cases.

[hidden jewel]

939

[stone folio]

I'm pretty sure the stamina configs are also applied to 939 as well, idrk

[solar badger]

3114

[distant depot]

it is for all SCPS

[distant depot]

https://github.com/Leifur713/InfiniteStamina/releases/tag/InfinitieStamina1.2.0

[distant depot]

jo

[distant depot]

InfiniteStamina v1.3.0 is out!

Hey everyone! Dropped a new update for InfiniteStamina.

What's new:
stamina_value lets you set a custom stamina level now (0.0 = empty, 1.0 = full, default is 1.0)
allow_scps lets SCPs optionally be affected by the plugin too

Under the hood the background thread is completely gone, the plugin now uses StaticUnityMethods.OnUpdate which is way cleaner and more stable. Also migrated to Plugin<Config> with YamlConfig so LabAPI handles the config natively. Invalid stamina_value inputs get automatically clamped and logged on startup so no more silent issues.

Download here: https://github.com/Leifur713/InfiniteStamina/releases/tag/InfiniteStaminaSCPSL

If you run into any issues feel free to drop a message here!

[pure rune]

did u just change the readme or what

I don't see any changes here except the Readme.