#seattle-mini-maker-faire

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pliant narwhal
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tulip bear
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Eeeep I am cranking out projects and spreadsheets and emails like a crazy person... one more week until Seattle Mini Maker Faire! Gonna be fun though ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

pliant narwhal
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need any help at your booth @tulip bear ?

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I think you and @wise fog 's presentations are on sunday so I'm planning on being there then mostly

tulip bear
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yes our presentations are one after another

pliant narwhal
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๐Ÿ‘

tulip bear
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Yes, we can use help on Sunday! Anytime you want to come by is good for us! I'll be heading to prep for my presentation at 1:30 I think

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and then I want to watch Tony's presentation

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I have another friend coming to cover during that time

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any advice for a first time booth at seattle mini maker faire?

pliant narwhal
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have fun and don't forget to take breaks

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is your booth outside? we had it rain the night before so keep everything off the ground

tulip bear
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our booth is inside in Sky Church

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we asked for inside because we're mostly making blinky LED things lol

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breaks! yes... i'm not very good at taking breaks hehe

pliant narwhal
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nice! that'll be nice

tulip bear
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i hope so ๐Ÿ˜ƒ nervous, hoping people like what we made!

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see you there ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

pliant narwhal
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I'm sure it'll be awesome @tulip bear

gleaming umbra
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Say, I'm looking for a ride over to the Maker Faire on Saturday. If anyone can give me a lift from Redmond I'd really appreciate it!

viral zealot
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Hey @gleaming umbra - do you work at Microsoft?

gleaming umbra
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Indeed I do, @viral zealot

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra - yah know, we don't really have a maker space on the East side...any change Microsoft wants to lead the community and opening theirs up to locals?

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@gleaming umbra but what would be even better...i have to pause a minute because this totally excites me ... Home Depot partners with Adafruit where DIY meets DIY...at least before Amazon buys Home Depot ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

gleaming umbra
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LOL re: Home Depot

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@viral zealot I don't speak for Microsoft on this one, but since Microsoft provides the materials and equipment (and liability insurance) for the Maker Garage, I can't see them opening it up to the public. Also, it's in controlled work space so you have to have a badge to get into the building, and then you have to badge in again to get into the Maker Garage.

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Now, I will suggest to them that we (Microsoft) partner with local organizations to sponsor a public-access maker space on the east side. That would be a fabulous marketing opportunity since we could plaster advertising all over it. (Just trying to think of the business case). It would also create additional community good-will.

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The Shops of Redmond would be too high-rent, I think, but I'm sure there's some industrial space along 520 that we could rent.

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And there would be plenty of volunteers to staff the maker space.

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PT (Mr. @tidal fiber ) has a guide on "how to build a maker space" from a business, legal, and insurance perspective. I'll go read through it and see what it would take. Then I'll talk to some people here and see how we can move this forward, approvals, reviews, business cases, etc.

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This issue has come up before - the general community grumbling about Microsoft's full-time-employee-only maker space....

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That said, I'm not sure the Microsoft leaders are aware. I'll see if I can rectify that.

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra Thank you! What would be AMAZING if...what if the youngsters on the Eastside (and Seattle) through the maker space got internships at Microsoft when they got older...then full time jobs....WHOA - employees at Microsoft who actually went to school in the area! Oooh....a company town....now we ALL can afford rent :-). You know who has space? Home Depot. What if their Halloween department became the Microsoft/Home Depot/Adafruit DIY space? Big Eyes....blinking pumpkins....I mean...sad really the Halloween display at Home Depot...and we all go there anyways....

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@gleaming umbra there are two awesome Home Depots that I shop at (Bellevue and Redmond)...well look at that...both where Microsoft has extensive office space (of course, Google is right down the street from me...no wonder my daughter can't afford to live here).

gleaming umbra
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It would be interesting to collaborate with Google, Amazon, and SpaceX/Tesla on that project, as well as Home Depot....

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra you know how we are all on this "buy local" trend? Oohhh how cool - "hire local" (I mean for the jobs that get respect - engineering, project manager...)

gleaming umbra
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It would be a fabulous STEM (or STEAM) outreach.

viral zealot
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Yah - @gleaming umbra We have AMAZING talent. And guess what? They go to our local schools too.

gleaming umbra
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We do use the intern program as a hiring vector.... Getting local interns would be cool (speaking as myself here). I'll look into pursuing this.

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra The other thing I LOVE about Home Depot is - while I could be a light switch for example on Amazon.com - I can go into my Home Depot and talk with Bruce and Ken and they'll explain all about electricity...These guys have a SIGNIFICANT background in electricity. Ken ran some company with like 100 employees. Can you imagine a Ken partnered with you partnered with us?

gleaming umbra
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Home Depot might have insurance issues, but I can ask their HQ legal team. Or better, their HQ marketing team. Best to not ask lawyers if at all possible. (Nothing against lawyers, but once they give you an answer you have to live with it.)

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I do like this idea.

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra Lawyers are necessary but my challenge with them is 1) billable hours. Closing on something is not in the interest of them making money. 2) risk adverse 3) not subject matter experts.

gleaming umbra
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Right on the money.

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra I have found what works best is to get to the point where you write up a LOI...which is way after all the partners have opened the wine and passed the cheese.

gleaming umbra
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They also tend to be extremely bivalent. Things are always yes/no with them. Very little room to maneuver.

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I'll also talk to Phil T. and see what the official Adafruit stance would be.

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra my experience has been more like with a psychologist. Not taking a side because that would be a liability.

gleaming umbra
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(Oh, I'm Phil M., so we (Adafruit) have at least three Phils - T, B, and M.)

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra with that said, a GOOD LAWYER - like any domain expert - is a tad hard to find - but TOTALLY AWESOME.

gleaming umbra
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Ahhh, my experience with lawyers has been adverse (divorce) or in terms of business risk (professional).

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra in my generation the name was Dave (notice how the name isn't something like - oh i dunno....Nancy ๐Ÿ˜ƒ ).

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@gleaming umbra marriage is hard. I've been married for 32 years. My husband says 3 of them have been good ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

gleaming umbra
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Ouch.

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra with that said, we're all so sarcastic it's hard to know what is real versus imaginary.

gleaming umbra
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[I have found a Discord bug. My Avatar shows me as "idle/away" even though I'm active in this channel.]

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@viral zealot Sarcasm is a healthy sign of intelligence! ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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And a good stress-reduction strategy.

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra you know what lowers stress? Figuring out how hw/firmware works. Now that is fun...just the other day a capacitor just blew up...scared the crap outa me.

gleaming umbra
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@viral zealot Firmware is interesting to me. I know little to nothing about it, other than what it does. I need to research the security of system firmware, particularly that which controls servers in lights-out data centers.

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Electrolytic?

viral zealot
gleaming umbra
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Grid-level or consumer level?

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'Cause the grid-level monitoring exists.

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra consumer level. I have this dream where my neighborhood plays this game where we compete who saves the most trees, uses the least amount of oil, uses the least amount of CO2. The winner feels superior.

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@gleaming umbra both grid and consumer exist. One I just ordered for consumer is this one. https://sense.com/product.html

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@gleaming umbra I mean change behavior through knowledge and competition....

gleaming umbra
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@viral zealot Why is it important to signal through power lines instead of other communication channels?

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... That Sense device looks interesting.

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra it doesn't matter. It's just I found this document and it seemed worth exploring. Personally, it seems a bit dangerous. I'm looking for a non-invasive easy to set up way. Sense seems to do this. I am not happy all is proprietary. I don't know but I am wondering if I can use CTs then get the EMI outa that to figure out the device signature. I think my problem is I don't have the background/not smart enough. I'll just keep bumbling and plodding and perhaps I'll get there.

gleaming umbra
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[Re: grid monitoring. I am a complex adaptive systems researcher and have done work with Paul Hines at University of Vermont and MITRE to study the behavior of power grids. Thus, I'm sorta familiar with the monitoring capabilities. The details are classified, unfortunately.]

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra whoa. Congratulations. I can't even do adaptive systems let along complex ones. Awesome background.

gleaming umbra
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@viral zealot Do a search for "Santa Fe Institute" if you're curious. I was a visiting researcher there annually for eight years.

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra Santa Fe? Are you KIDDING ME? What a beautiful place. So artsy. I am off to search.

gleaming umbra
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@viral zealot You might also look into "TSCM" since there is a technical surveillance method that puts the listening device in the wall outlet, which then is powered by the mains. It modulates signal on the mains, and the demodulation device sits just inboard of the building transformer. It allows surveillance of rooms without using RF.

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra re: TSCM thank you.

gleaming umbra
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You're welcome. Just a tidbit from a past life. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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@viral zealot I'm thinking more about the maker space idea of yours. I would think we'd want different sections: wearables, electronics, 3D printing, PCB design and fabrication, laser cutter, OtherMill, and a machine shop. Thoughts?

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Another possible partner: TAP Plastics....

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra all great ideas. I'd start however at the maker space scenario. For example, if it is Home Depot (my preference ), it would align to sections. They have the Halloween (seasonal) section, the plumbing/outdoor gardening section, etc. Then there would be projects for each section....building on the DIY projects they already do (e.g.: installing motion sensing switches, Nest devices...). So - imagine a section either within the store layout or within their DIY space where folks blink out their Halloween things, do costumes, etc. Then another space where gardeners do hydroponics as well as auto irrigation using the Feather m0 and moisture sensor, etc.

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@gleaming umbra now PCB design is wonderful...and would fit in with the electronics section....there we could go from breadboard / wire prototyping to Kicad + Othermill.

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@gleaming umbra and of course the lumber section could do with a CNC machine where we could make really cool enclosures and nifty stairs....

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@gleaming umbra and of course, we'd all be plugging in some Microsoft/Google/Amazon/(name the partner) product so that we can do stuff like "Alexa - start the coffee machine..."

gleaming umbra
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[Oooh that reminds me of an aquaponics project I wanted to do.]

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra i mean...the area we are in and the people here and the resources. Speaking of people, did you read the NYT article where they compared a janitor at Apple with one at Kodak? Same for Microsoft. But imagine if that janitor could get an internship at a maker space...now they can be looked at as potential employees instead of no different than any other physical asset.

gleaming umbra
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I didn't see that article.

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra re: aquaponics...i've got circuits for pH and EC..

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@gleaming umbra now tell the truth...do you know the name of the person who cleans your floors at Microsoft?

gleaming umbra
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I do not. He's Russian, though, and I speak to him every time I see him. I should ask his name so I can address him properly.

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra Whoa - GOOD FOR YOU! Also, I wonder if he has kids that could benefit from a maker space. Does he want a better job (and all that American Dream stuff that we have all profited from)?

gleaming umbra
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That's a great point.

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taking notes.

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra I actually am speaking for myself. For many years of my life I didn't seem to care that the other person deserves to be happy. Deserves to live their dreams. I gave it lip service. But it was more about me. So sad. Well, moving forward I just want to repeat and rinse and think about how that person has a family a name ...all that.

gleaming umbra
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Same here. I smile and speak to everyone because that's how you have a warm and welcoming work environment, regardless of the task you're doing. I hate it when people treat service personnel like invisible furniture.

viral zealot
gleaming umbra
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Whoops! Time to get ready for work. I need to test the high power rocket flight controller in the elevators before I get started for the day. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ I think the building is tall enough to trip the altimeter parameters....

viral zealot
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@gleaming umbra thank you very much for your time and conversation. Enjoy the day.

gleaming umbra
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Thanks! You, too, @viral zealot !

pliant narwhal
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@gleaming umbra find a ride? I was planning on going sunday but may be able to do saturday for part of the day

gleaming umbra
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Not yet, @pliant narwhal. I could go Sunday instead. I'm flexible.

pliant narwhal
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kk, if you don't find anyone else let me know. tony is coming from that side but I'm not sure what his plans are

gleaming umbra
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Ok. I'll let you know. Thanks!

pliant narwhal
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np

wise fog
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oh i'll probably be there all day sunday, talk is in the afternoon

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i was thinking i might try to go to portland for their mini maker faire saturday

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but yeah i can carpool someone over from east side if they want to be there all day sunday

gleaming umbra
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I'd appreciate the ride Sunday, @wise fog ! I can always sit down if I need to. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

wise fog
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sounds good, yeah if you want to ping me maybe friday or saturday and we can figure out the logistics

gleaming umbra
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@wise fog I'll send you e-mail Friday afternoon and we can solidify plans!

pliant narwhal
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w00t!

viral zealot
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I'm going Sunday if any needs a ride. I don't plan to be there all day though. Also - anyone on Eastside want to meet up say at Victor's Redmond (I'm thinking most folks are in Redmond?) either Friday/Saturday/Sunday morning (before you leave for maker-faire?)

gleaming umbra
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You're up early, @viral zealot ... What's Victor's? (I just moved here)

viral zealot
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He @gleaming umbra The early hours are the best (that and I go to sleep WAY early ๐Ÿ˜ƒ ). Victor's is a coffee shop in Redmond. I just picked it because it seemed close to you all. And I figured it meant we could meet in the morning ...

gleaming umbra
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@viral zealot I'm going over on Sunday with Tony and meeting up with Scott. I can grab an Uber over to Victor's on Saturday if you want to meet up for coffee and a chat.

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@viral zealot DM me the address and time, and I'll be there Saturday morning.

pliant narwhal
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@viral zealot I think we should meet arouns @tulip bear and @wise fog 's talks

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Maker Faire Seattle

Learn about new maker hardware that's programmed with the Python programming language. Beginner and experienced makers alike can build fun projects with blinky lights, interactivity, and more using the simple and expressive power of Python code.

tulip bear
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Yay! So glad you guys are coming to the Faire ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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I'll be there all weekend at my booth in Sky Church, running the fashion show on sat, and doing that presentation on sun (and then I will collapse into a puddle on Monday) Hope to see you!

gleaming umbra
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@wise fog and I will be there all day Sunday if we want to have a meet-up someplace.

fervent belfry
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Awesome! Do you know where you will be?

pliant narwhal
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I'll be there most of sunday as well

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sophy and tony's talks are a good place to meet up

gleaming umbra
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I'll be at both!

gleaming umbra
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Just stupidly excited to be going to the Faire tomorrow! I can't wait to meet up with everyone. Many thanks to @wise fog who is giving me a ride....

viral zealot
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I'm hoping to talk to folks today...I'll be at @tulip bear and @wise fog talks ...mostly afternoon... I wear a black t-shirt that says "BE KIND" (to remind myself ๐Ÿ˜ƒ ).

gleaming umbra
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I'll be wearing a white circuit diagram T-shirt.

pliant narwhal
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I've got a grey tshirt, red jacket and digikey bag. Should be there in an hour or two

pliant narwhal
gleaming umbra
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Hey, @pliant narwhal , Tony and I are in the Armory working on electronics. We'll be back over in time for the talks starting at two!

gleaming umbra
pliant narwhal
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I'll be there at the auditorium at 2 for @tulip bear then @wise fog after.

gleaming umbra
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Cool! See you there!

gloomy laurel
pliant narwhal
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At @tulip bear's talk. Down at the bottom left.

pliant narwhal
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@viral zealot did you make it to seattle mini maker faire?

gleaming umbra
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That was awesome!!! I had a great day meeting old and new friends, and hanging out with other techies!

viral zealot
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@pliant narwhal sadly no. We spent the day finding (and we did find one!) an apartment for our daughter.

gleaming umbra
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@viral zealot We looked for you! Wish you could have made it. It was a blast!

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There were some awesome robots. There was an extremely realistic set of working Star Wars robots. R2-D2 was rolling around "talking" to people. There were also a set of robots that moved around and shot wiffle balls at people. Imagine a tennis-ball-thrower that instead shot 6-inch wiffle balls. People would try to catch them and throw them back in the bin. Massively entertaining. Tony got video that was better than mine.

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There were also Daleks! (Though I didn't see them moving around trying to ex-ter-min-ate people.)

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Also exciting, the King County Libraries are starting to build maker spaces in the libraries. They're starting with Bellevue and targeting January-ish for an opening. They had a table full of Lil' Bits to play with. Scott and I chatted with them for quite a while. It will be good to have more maker resources on the East side.

viral zealot
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THANK YOU for the info on what went on. Go KCLS! That is great news about building a maker space. It makes sense to start in Bellevue. Bellevue is the largest of the KCLS libraries I have been in.

gloomy laurel
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My favorite part was Scott and Tony handing out some CPXs to a few lucky and excited kids after Tony's talk (which was great!). ๐Ÿ˜€

tulip bear
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oh the whiffle ball robots were amazing! so many great things at the faire this year, i was blown away, just like last year

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and it was so awesome to meet you guys! ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

gleaming umbra
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@tulip bear SOPHY!!!! Gang, this is Sophy! She's AMAZING!!!! You should see the products she makes! They're absolutely production quality. The goggles she has with LEDs inside are absolutely commercial quality (rather, better than). And Sophy gave a wearables talk that got me excited about wearable opportunities.

tulip bear
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@gleaming umbra omg thanks dude! it was super awesome to meet you in person! Thanks so much for coming to my talk and hanging out at my booth ๐Ÿ˜ƒ what a great weekend!

potent tartan
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I missed the faire this year (I've attended in the past), but @pliant narwhal was kind enough to add me anyway. I was wondering if anyone here knows of a local source for thermoplastic sheets?

gleaming umbra
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@potent tartan TAP Plastics?

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I don't know but that's where I'd start.

potent tartan
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Worth giving them a call! Thanks. I ran across Calsak Plastics in Kent, but their hours are limited and location inconvenient. I left them a message and they never called back.

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Yeah, website looks promising, and much better location.

tulip bear
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TAP plastics has worbla (definitely regular, black, and they might have clear) TAP employees are very helpful and knowledgeable, I like the Lynwood one for parking, but the South Lake Union location is great too!

gleaming umbra
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And they don't charge crazy rates to ship custom product (for those of us without cars) ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

potent tartan
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I was heading downtown anyway, so stopped by TAP and got some HIPS. Employees were very helpful. Thanks, guys! P-Body costume is a go...

tulip bear
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woohoo! can't wait to see it ๐Ÿ˜ƒ @potent tartan

pliant narwhal
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Hey all, those of you who have access to a 3D printer. The accessibility folks are looking for help printing devices for folks here in the Seattle area. Here is their email from them:

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ALS Association Evergreen Chapter
Harborview Medical Center
Seattle Childrenโ€™s Hospital
PROVAIL

These open-source devices offer a low-cost option for people with disabilities with limited income.  We can provide the hardware required for some of the devices.

It would be fantastic if you could ask around and spread the word.

Thanks!```
somber flax
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3D printers printing 3D printers? My god. It has begun.

elder fractal
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By when would these devices be needed?

pliant narwhal
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@elder fractal Whenever you can print them I think. I can connect you directly with the person from maker making change to coordinate

elder fractal
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Thanks. I am working on a couple of projects for kid's christmas, then I would love to send a few prints a month. this seems like a cool program.

pliant narwhal
elder fractal
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Thanks I will. I am busy for a the next couple weeks, but will get at it when I can

pliant narwhal
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sounds good @elder fractal

pliant narwhal
gleaming umbra
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Any Seattle-ites planning to go this year? I'm going for at least one day, hoping to meet up with some friends.

pliant narwhal
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I was planning to but haven't bought a ticket

supple shore
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I will be there. I think I am going Saturday

onyx tulip
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Iโ€™m hoping to go one day since it takes only 45min to get there

gleaming umbra
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I have tix for both days since I plan to hang out with friends a lot and may not get the full immersive experience with just one day. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ So I'll definitely be there Saturday, and may be there Sunday, too.

glass temple
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Early bird ticket prices were extended to this Friday so can can still get tickets for either or both days at a reduced price.

pliant narwhal
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I

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'm planning on going Saturday too

pliant narwhal
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I may only go tomorrow. Its not very smokey today so I want to get outside

glass temple
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I will be there Sunday, donโ€™t know exact time but I figure I will show up around lunch. For anyone there today, if there is something I shouldnโ€™t miss seeing please share.

pliant narwhal
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me too @glass temple . we rode bikes today instead

pliant narwhal
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@glass temple @gleaming umbra leaving now. one stop on the way

glass temple
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@pliant narwhal @gleaming umbra on my way now. Wearing a bright green T-shirt.

elder fractal
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woah

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these messages are really old

supple shore
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I wish there were a reason to have new messages. But no seattle maker faire at this time

hidden cosmos
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tear

crimson thunder
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Ok I just joined but is it a coincidence that a maker faire is in Seattle, where I live, or does discord have some geolocation powers to auto assign roles? :)

nimble grail
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Most likely a coincidence, since it says Seattle for me too and I don't live there. ๐Ÿ˜‰

pliant narwhal
hidden cosmos
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!

ornate temple
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I didn't realize we had a seattle thread

hidden cosmos
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I think it used to be...